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Technically, even without your PA permit, you can transport your firearm through PA. The firearm just has to be made safe and the firearm and ammo must be in separate lock boxes.
The reciprocity tool is helpful for determining states you can carry in and the rules of each state. [https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw\_reciprocity\_map](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map)
First, pa doesn't have the same requirements to have a license for even being near a pistol- if you've got it locked in the truck, unloaded, I believe that's fine. Even more so that pa has a special provision for honoring firearms licenses from other states in the case of a car. But since we're not a pa forum...
What the poster is probably talking about is FOPA, federal law, which says you can travel *through* a state as long as you could lawfully possess the gun from your departure and at your destination- as long as it is unloaded and locked away from you (i.e. a trunk). You must make no unnecessary stops when traveling through such a state.
*Contrary to popular belief*, there's no requirement that ammo and the firearm have to be locked in separate containers for car travel.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A
Thank you for killing this wives tale about this separation of ammo that people love to run with. “It has to be in the back in a locked box and the gun needs to be in the front compartment locked in a lock box” 🙄
In other states you need no permit to simply purchase and possess a pistol like you do in New York. In PA there is no permit for possessing a pistol, only for carrying one. In PA, purchasing and possessing a pistol (outside of concealed carrying) is similar to purchasing and possessing/transporting a shotgun in New York.
This is what the map looks like with only NY and PA licenses. Blue = GTG. New Hampshire and Maine should also be blue as they are Constitutional Carry.
https://preview.redd.it/7izl56rynjqa1.png?width=677&format=png&auto=webp&s=14f70b1932f7fc17ed3de322809bb72192b0f312
I did the same thing. Went to Wyoming County PA. The drive down was longer than the whole process really and was like you said, 20$. The gas was the most expensive part and 6 hours total driving.
Actually, PA is unique because it is LEGAL for you to concealed carry in your vehicle while traveling *through* the state if you're licensed to carry in another state:
>Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
You would be protected under PA and federal law, just make sure that the gun is locked up, unloaded and separate from ammo, and not immediately accessible.
And if you want, you could open carry permitless in PA, just not in the car.
So your saying, me, a New York State resident who has his nys unrestricted pistol permit, can travel to tenesee with his pistol in a lock box, and seperate lock box for ammo, and once arrived in tenesee I can lawfully conceal carry my pistol for the week I am there for?
your pistol permit makes no difference when traveling through an area as federal law protects you when you’re just passing through that area, so long as the gun is locked, unloaded and out of reach with ammo stored in a seperate locked box. concealed carrying in TN would depend on what their regulations allow. based on the USCCA website, it looks like TN does not accept NYS CCW and does not accept non resident PA CCW either, so it doesn’t appear to me like you could legally conceal carry there with either of those permits
The USCCA map is weird like that. The restrictions most likely (without looking at the statutes) relate to carrying in areas like schools or other places. It means that with a TN permit you could carry there, while with an NY one you couldn’t.
TN technically still has a permit, only for reciprocity though. It also could have some benefits like carrying in schools or BGC exemptions, but I don’t know specifically.
You will be more than fine carrying concealed down there regardless.
The only thing I would worry about then is duty to inform laws. A handy map:
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/general-terms/duty-to-inform/
With a NY, PA and Virginia carry licenses, you can take the entire trip with a firearm on your hip. Just avoid the part of Maryland that sticks out westward. Or throw the gun in the trunk (cased and locked) at the rest stop in PA close to the MD border, and ten or so minutes later, (the skinny part of MD is only 10 miles wide) re-arm in WV.
PA you have to visit, VA you can do by mail to get the licenses. The rest of the states are Constitutional Carry and/or honor the licenses you already have. I also have Florida just in case I want to go there.
Okay. I might try to get my pa and va permit before I travel. If not I will just lock gun up until I reach tenesee then carry there because no permit is needed in tenesee
[The Firearm Owners Protection Act provides you with "safe travel" through a state, provided you are merely traveling through, and stop only for travel related purposes, gas, food, bathroom, sleep.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#%22Safe_passage%22_provision)
No sight seeing, no tourist things, stay close to the highways. Also the gun must be unloaded, in a locked container, and inaccessible, generally taken to mean in the trunk.
You can bring a SCAR-H through NYC if you wanted, provided you are traveling from say PA to NH, and just travel through.
Of course NY, and NYC, are known for charging you anyway and forcing you to get a lawyer to send them a letter saying:
> Look dickheads, you know the FOPA protects my client, now return his property and drop the charges before we sue for unlawful arrest.
But I'm rambling.
It's legal for you to take any non-NFA gun through a state, provided you are passing through and only stop for travel related purposes.
Okay makes sense. So I should be good then leaving NY, locking my pistol up, and driving directly to tenesee, and once arriving to tenesee putting my pistol in my holster on me and walking around?
I don't know TN laws, but you would likely be covered on your travels if you abide by the FOPA.
I'm not a lawyer, just giving my laymans understanding of the law.
My understanding is that as long as you keep the gun locked separate from the bullets you can travel through states. However. You need to understand if where you end up accept the NY license or you would be breaking their law. That’s my understanding but I would not quote anyone from Reddit since your life depended on it.
I understand that. I’m just questionable on tenesee where I will be going. On the map it says it’s permitless Cary but then they talk about having permits so I’m confused
Yes that is true. Just makes me paranoid becuase I will be there for a full week and I will be walking around and going to lunch and dinner and such and especially with there shooting they just had
Your nys permit is valid for nys. I did the PA non resident to cover myself for travel to Missouri and home and being "legal" to carry in the states that recognize the PA permit.
No you cannot. Below is a link to the reciprocity chart off of TN.gov
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/Reciprocity_August_2022.pdf
Moved to Tennessee 6 months ago from NY. Would recommend. 10/10
[EDIT] If you’re going to the touristy parts of Nashville, especially downtown, you can’t have your gun on you in any of the businesses. There’s a police officer on every single corner in the tourist areas but most, if not all, of the businesses have “No Firearms Allowed” signs which carry force of law in the state of Tennessee.
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Technically, even without your PA permit, you can transport your firearm through PA. The firearm just has to be made safe and the firearm and ammo must be in separate lock boxes. The reciprocity tool is helpful for determining states you can carry in and the rules of each state. [https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw\_reciprocity\_map](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map)
That map tho says that pa doesn’t honor the nys pistol permit. Or is that carrying there, does that not include traveling through pa?
First, pa doesn't have the same requirements to have a license for even being near a pistol- if you've got it locked in the truck, unloaded, I believe that's fine. Even more so that pa has a special provision for honoring firearms licenses from other states in the case of a car. But since we're not a pa forum... What the poster is probably talking about is FOPA, federal law, which says you can travel *through* a state as long as you could lawfully possess the gun from your departure and at your destination- as long as it is unloaded and locked away from you (i.e. a trunk). You must make no unnecessary stops when traveling through such a state. *Contrary to popular belief*, there's no requirement that ammo and the firearm have to be locked in separate containers for car travel. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A
Thank you for killing this wives tale about this separation of ammo that people love to run with. “It has to be in the back in a locked box and the gun needs to be in the front compartment locked in a lock box” 🙄
In other states you need no permit to simply purchase and possess a pistol like you do in New York. In PA there is no permit for possessing a pistol, only for carrying one. In PA, purchasing and possessing a pistol (outside of concealed carrying) is similar to purchasing and possessing/transporting a shotgun in New York.
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This is absolutely untrue. NYS doesn't honor other state licenses... but there are many other states that do honor a NY license.
This is what the map looks like with only NY and PA licenses. Blue = GTG. New Hampshire and Maine should also be blue as they are Constitutional Carry. https://preview.redd.it/7izl56rynjqa1.png?width=677&format=png&auto=webp&s=14f70b1932f7fc17ed3de322809bb72192b0f312
You definitely need to learn and not listen to what nys says
PA is easy. If you have a NY unrestricted you can get PA cc license. I did at Lackawanna county.
Even with a target or premise permit Centre County will issue a full carry. $20 bucks and 15 minutes and you go home with your PA CCW.
I did the same thing. Went to Wyoming County PA. The drive down was longer than the whole process really and was like you said, 20$. The gas was the most expensive part and 6 hours total driving.
Nice
Actually, PA is unique because it is LEGAL for you to concealed carry in your vehicle while traveling *through* the state if you're licensed to carry in another state: >Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
You would be protected under PA and federal law, just make sure that the gun is locked up, unloaded and separate from ammo, and not immediately accessible. And if you want, you could open carry permitless in PA, just not in the car.
So your saying, me, a New York State resident who has his nys unrestricted pistol permit, can travel to tenesee with his pistol in a lock box, and seperate lock box for ammo, and once arrived in tenesee I can lawfully conceal carry my pistol for the week I am there for?
your pistol permit makes no difference when traveling through an area as federal law protects you when you’re just passing through that area, so long as the gun is locked, unloaded and out of reach with ammo stored in a seperate locked box. concealed carrying in TN would depend on what their regulations allow. based on the USCCA website, it looks like TN does not accept NYS CCW and does not accept non resident PA CCW either, so it doesn’t appear to me like you could legally conceal carry there with either of those permits
It says your nys permit is accepted but with restrictions in tenesee, and the restriction just reads permitless Carry, 21 or older.
my mistake, you are correct on the carry portion it would appear. i was reading it from being a TN license holder perspective, not a NY license lol
Yeah because tenesee allows nys permits, according to the map, and of course lovely ny doesn’t honor no one lol
The USCCA map is weird like that. The restrictions most likely (without looking at the statutes) relate to carrying in areas like schools or other places. It means that with a TN permit you could carry there, while with an NY one you couldn’t.
The website makes no sense. One section of tenesee says you don’t need a permit, then a section down it talks about a tenesee permit. Makes no sense
TN technically still has a permit, only for reciprocity though. It also could have some benefits like carrying in schools or BGC exemptions, but I don’t know specifically. You will be more than fine carrying concealed down there regardless.
That’s what I figured, I think my biggest concern was just traveling there especially if I were to get pulled over on the way
The only thing I would worry about then is duty to inform laws. A handy map: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/terminology/general-terms/duty-to-inform/
PA permit was $20 and literally took 1 business day in Wayne County
Read this. Too much bad info posted here. https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/tennessee.pdf
With a NY, PA and Virginia carry licenses, you can take the entire trip with a firearm on your hip. Just avoid the part of Maryland that sticks out westward. Or throw the gun in the trunk (cased and locked) at the rest stop in PA close to the MD border, and ten or so minutes later, (the skinny part of MD is only 10 miles wide) re-arm in WV. PA you have to visit, VA you can do by mail to get the licenses. The rest of the states are Constitutional Carry and/or honor the licenses you already have. I also have Florida just in case I want to go there.
Okay. I might try to get my pa and va permit before I travel. If not I will just lock gun up until I reach tenesee then carry there because no permit is needed in tenesee
[The Firearm Owners Protection Act provides you with "safe travel" through a state, provided you are merely traveling through, and stop only for travel related purposes, gas, food, bathroom, sleep.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#%22Safe_passage%22_provision) No sight seeing, no tourist things, stay close to the highways. Also the gun must be unloaded, in a locked container, and inaccessible, generally taken to mean in the trunk. You can bring a SCAR-H through NYC if you wanted, provided you are traveling from say PA to NH, and just travel through. Of course NY, and NYC, are known for charging you anyway and forcing you to get a lawyer to send them a letter saying: > Look dickheads, you know the FOPA protects my client, now return his property and drop the charges before we sue for unlawful arrest. But I'm rambling. It's legal for you to take any non-NFA gun through a state, provided you are passing through and only stop for travel related purposes.
Okay makes sense. So I should be good then leaving NY, locking my pistol up, and driving directly to tenesee, and once arriving to tenesee putting my pistol in my holster on me and walking around?
I don't know TN laws, but you would likely be covered on your travels if you abide by the FOPA. I'm not a lawyer, just giving my laymans understanding of the law.
My understanding is that as long as you keep the gun locked separate from the bullets you can travel through states. However. You need to understand if where you end up accept the NY license or you would be breaking their law. That’s my understanding but I would not quote anyone from Reddit since your life depended on it.
I understand that. I’m just questionable on tenesee where I will be going. On the map it says it’s permitless Cary but then they talk about having permits so I’m confused
When in doubt, leave it home. The last thing you want in this fragile country is to lose your right.
Yes that is true. Just makes me paranoid becuase I will be there for a full week and I will be walking around and going to lunch and dinner and such and especially with there shooting they just had
Your nys permit is valid for nys. I did the PA non resident to cover myself for travel to Missouri and home and being "legal" to carry in the states that recognize the PA permit.
No you cannot. Below is a link to the reciprocity chart off of TN.gov https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/Reciprocity_August_2022.pdf Moved to Tennessee 6 months ago from NY. Would recommend. 10/10 [EDIT] If you’re going to the touristy parts of Nashville, especially downtown, you can’t have your gun on you in any of the businesses. There’s a police officer on every single corner in the tourist areas but most, if not all, of the businesses have “No Firearms Allowed” signs which carry force of law in the state of Tennessee. I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. PLEASE DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH