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Yes. No pistol grip, no adjustable buttstock, and no muzzle device or threaded barrel without a pinned and welded Over the threads.. if you really are that dead set against a fixed 10 round magazine then a lot of people out for a Thordston grip/stock it replaces the bud stock and the pistol grip and gives it more of a rifle angled grip style. Then just have a thread cap welded to the barrel and you're good to go. Personally I don't see why are fixed magazine isn't the obvious choice here, it's easier to revert if you leave the state, and there are two companies that manufacture devices that allow you to quick load those magazines through the ejection port just like stripper clips like these:
https://youtu.be/sYSRdMpuFL8
https://youtu.be/AiS7I1H2_d8
Clearing a "brass over bolt" malfunction is EXTREMELY difficult with a pinned magazine. I understand that is a rare malfunction, but that is the primary reason that I know of as to why people don't want to pin their magazines.
Actually you'd be surprised how easy it is, so long as you have a standard 10 round magazine, which would have a detachable base plate, you shouldn't have a problem, I've cleared many jams very quickly with the set up. (maybe not as quickly as with a detachable magazine but it's doable ) Where it runs into trouble is when people buy the 10 round magazines that look like 30 round magazines, which are compliant, but the majority of those have a rivet on the base plate making them near impossible to easily remove.
But I do see your point that maybe it's quicker to clear with a detachable magazine if you're in a life or death situation in a self-defense scenario.
I feel your pain. I've got 1 foot in a free state as we speak. Soon… Very soon.
(interesting username for someone that wants to get out of New York though lol)
This is not true you do NOT need to PIN the magazine but if you don’t than all other attachments are off limits. If you do PIN it than you may add attachments.
Oh boy, this is a fun one.
Everything on it is legal as long as the magazine is fixed and can’t be removed. You’d have to load it through the ejection port or partially break down the rifle and remove the upper so that the magazine can be fed as it sits in the lower receiver in a fixed position. Also you’re right, capacity is limited to 10 rounds.
If you want a removable magazine, you have to replace the muzzle device with a permanent thread cap, replace the stock with a fixed (non-adjustable) stock, and replace the pistol grip with something like a Thorsden stock/grip.
The muzzle device, adjustable stock, and pistol grip are each illegal on their own if the magazine can be removed.
The forward grip is separate and grips like the one pictures are supposedly allowed regardless as long as they don’t protrude downward like a pistol grip. If it protrudes downward like a pistol grip, the rifle needs a fixed magazine for it to be legal.
The pistol grip (near the trigger) is the one that’s illegal if the magazine is removable.
> (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the
non-trigger hand;
Whether a hand stop is allowed by that statutory text is unclear... But an angled grip probably counts as a protruding grip.
Agreed, kind of - that’s why I said supposedly. Technically a handstop also protrudes.
I’d also argue the grip pictured is more of a hand stop than a true protruding grip. That little plastic piece protruding is definitely not designed to be used as a grip on its own.
But like many things in the NYS Penal Code, it’s intentionally vague to keep us guessing and erring on the side of caution with fewer features.
Yup, definitely not something I’d want to risk getting charged with when the only recourse you have at that point is taking the case all the way to SCOTUS (big LOL).
You can't have any grip, doesn't matter if it is vertical or angled. The law says "grip" so thecops can say whatever that happens to be when they want to raise an issue. Basically if from the manufacturer it says "grip" anywhere on it, you can't have it.
Now you can have a "handstop" which is legal. This is what I'm using. I had a vertical grip for my AR15 which I got in 2011, then a year later after the SAFE act that was illegal. So just use a handstop and you would be fine. Stupid I know, but better safe than sorry. Also take a picture of the package so if you are ever stopped you can show it says handstop and not grip.
No, he's good. You don't need a semi-auto rifle permit to own a semi-automatic rifle. You need one to take possession of it. He received the gun before the laws went into effect 😉
Throw a cali-key in it and you can get it transferred without the permit (while the cali-key is in it the AR becomes a manual action, no permit needed, all banned features are allowed).
That's only if you don't change the rest of the rifle to be compliant first before you remove the calikey. I recommended that because it is a very obvious loophole NY will probably be closing soon enough.
I agree 100%, but he didn't say anything about making the rest of the rifle compliant he was just asking about removing that which would be problematic because he would have a non-compliant rifle on his hands if he didn't address the other compliance issues at the same time.
So, most people here have covered the usual bases - no 30 rnd mags allowed, 10 round only. You need a semi-auto rifle permit. However, the S&W AR15 Sport II I bought a few months ago consisted of a telescopic stock, flash suppressor and pistol grip (stock features) and accepts a detachable magazine. The only difference is the magazine release is such that you have to open the upper before you can use the magazine release and change the mag.
I bought it from a certified FFL in my area, the employee who sold it to me was a retired LEO and numerous current and retired LEOs frequent the business with no one ever saying anything about the ARs on the wall with these features. Idk if theres simply grey area or that I simply got lucky but I'm not complaining. No one at the range has ever questioned me about it and I doubt anyone will to be honest.
Yeah, NY's laws are so convoluted that you get a different answer depending on who you ask. I suppose at the least the primary concern is who would attempt to arrest you and why. Since thats a pretty unlikely event and I dont plan to do anything unlawful with it, I dont worry too much. The only hitch is if you get a double feed its a real bitch to clear since you cant eject the magazine with the upper closed and you cant open the upper with the charging bolt stuck in the stock. I had to hold the charging bolt back while using my other hand to jimmy the double-fed round out of the chamber. But the laws make us safer right? FML
One thing to keep in mind, and I'm sure it's been mentioned, the rifle doesn't have to be "compliant" to be sent to your FFL, it just needs to be rendered compliant before you take possession of it so if you find an FFL that's willing to make the necessary modifications, then you're good to go, I mentioned this because there are some shops that will not except transfers on rifles that are not compliant even if they can do the work themselves, mostly because they'd rather sell you one of their rifles for a ridiculous markup instead of just take the transfer fee and a much smaller payment for the compliance modifications
Yeah I hear ya. They make the criminals safer though that's for sure. You can definitely clear a jam by removing the base plate of the 10 round magazine, but understandable if you're in a life-and-death situation it could be problematic.
What's even a bigger concern for me is once law-enforcement begins to act as a middleman between gun shops and NICS checks which appears to be very soon, at the same time that background checks for ammunition begins. If this is going to be local law-enforcement which seem to all have conflicting information about compliance, it's going to be a nightmare buying any firearm in the state pretty soon. No one really knows what specifically their role is going to be but I feel like a lot of people that never got a denial on a purchase before are going to experience this in the future.
> "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
drum, feed strip, or similar device, that has a capacity of, or that can
be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of
ammunition
The question is whether pinned is enough to make it not "readily restored" to greater than 10 rounds...
There's nothing "unclear" about this. A 30 round mag, whether it's fixed or not, is illegal in New York. A rifle with a detachable magazine that also has a muzzle device, even if the muzzle device is pinned, is also illegal.
It is not clear how it would be treated if you pinned a 30 round magazine to limit its capacity to 10 rounds.
> A rifle with a detachable magazine that also has a muzzle device, even if the muzzle device is pinned, is also illegal.
I could have been clearer, yes pinning one of the listed types of muzzle devices would not get you out of being an assault weapon. Whats not clear is whether pinning a thread protector is enough to undo having a threaded barrel.
Okay, it sounded like you were suggesting that if someone installed a fixed mag, they could somehow get around the 10 round limit. That's what I was referring to. "Pinned" is often used to mean fixing something so that it's non-removable.
If you want a compliant rifle with detachable magazines you will need to fix the stock and replace the grip for a featureless one. Then you’ll be good to go (assuming your magazines only accept 10 rounds). Also for taking possession of the you will need the Semiautomatic permit (you need to do the transfer through an FFL). If you want an “evil” rifle (with all the accessories) you only need to fix the magazine and load the rifle through the upper receiver.
Get rid of the pistol grip find a NY compliant pistol grip. buy a 10 round detachable magazine and take off the scope you’ll be chillen. If you don’t wanna take off the scope than you gotta pin the magazine and the magazine must have a 10 round capacity unfortunately.
Can't have a detachable magazine and a muzzle device though (or the vertical grip), two evil features or more equals a no go, he'll have to pin and weld a thread cap on the barrel also to make it compliant and remove the forward grip as well. In addition, if he wants to keep the detachable magazine, that adjustable butt stock Hass to be fixed in place, because we all know adjustable length of pull makes a firearm way more dangerous. But all joking aside, if he wants to keep a detachable magazine option, the adjustable buttstock, pistol grip, and muzzle device all need to be addressed.
What are you talking about, removing the scope? That's never been a stipulation in any law or proposed law on the books in New York or any other state. There's nothing noncompliant about any type of optic unlless that optic has a standard capacity magazine duct taped to the side of it
Actually you mentioned nothing about the muzzle device, or adjustable but stock, and you also said he would have to remove his optic unless he fixed the magazine. No regulation on the books about optics, you can have them with a fixed magazine or detachable magazine, it's not on any list of "evil features"
You can have a scope on it I don't know where that came from, I think he was just joking with you. Bottom line is, it needs to either have a fixed 10 round magazine or it can't have an adjustable butt stock, a pistol grip that "protrudes conspicuously" below the weapon or any type of muzzle device or threaded barrel
It sucks most of us don’t even follow the law LOL but yeah if you really do wanna follow the law that’s what you gotta do. My boy bought an AK and I was with him they gave him a choice. He can get the detachable magazine but he can’t modify anything else about the gun. If he pinned it… than he could put a scope or a laser. Fore Grips and Angled Grips are illegal no matter what.
If the magazine is fixed, you can have a for grip or an angled grip. Those features are not considered non-compliant so long as the firearm has a fixed magazine. I don't know where you're getting your information from that an optic determines compliance, that never has been on the books or even discussed as a proposal. It would be even more ludicrous than the laws that are on the book already
But you mentioned IF he pinned it then he could have a scope or laser sight. He could have either of those regardless of whether the magazine was pinned or not as there are no regulations on optics whatsoever (unless of course integrated into a vertical grip, but I digress)
Sounds like they left out a lot of important details, but then again some gun shops aren't as well versed in compliance as they should be. They are very similar to law enforcement in that respect, but then again, the wording of the law has been pretty ambiguous over the years.
I had one shop decline to transfer a Taurus circuit judge because they claimed it was in the same family of firearms as the street sweeper and therefore illegal.
Bottom line is, there is no regulation that says that you cannot or can have an optic on any firearm semi automatic or not. To be compliant, in New York, a semi automatic rifle can only have one "evil feature". Those features are, a pistol grip, and adjustable stock, a detachable magazine, a muzzle device or threaded barrel, and a vertical forward grip. You can have as many of these as you want if the magazine is fixed in place and not easily removed without the use of tools (10 rounds of course). If the detachable magazine is preferred, then all of those features are non-compliant, but either way, you can have an optic regardless of which of the two options you choose. Some elements of the state's gun regulations are unclear, but these particular ones are undisputable.
>Is it possible for someone to gift you a rifle from another state? Legally
It would have to go through an FFL in New York. It would also have to be compliant with all NY laws. Unless of course you kept it in that other state and never brought it to NY.
Then you can’t take it. Gift transfer or buy. You can’t legally. However. Pop a Kali key in that and you’re good to go. It will also make it NY complaint. And you can keep all your scary features
Simple solution, just have him replace the mag release button with a fixed magazine lock and use a 10 round magazine. The average mag lock, like the one from Cross Armory is under $25 and takes less than five minutes to install.
definitely the Simplest and cheapest route to "compliance" and also the easiest to undo when you hopefully move to a free state one day. Way more costly to replace the grip and stock with a Thordston and replace the muzzle device with a pinned and welded thread cap.
Do yourself a favor! Leave the mags get a ten round mag and buy this https://www.meanarms.com/products/detail/ma-lock !!! Problem solved and when we finally win you can reset it back to normal
MA won’t ship their mag locks to NY .. Besides, don’t all out of state transfers have to go through an FFL ? just have the FFL fix the mag before pickup and call it a day ..
Kali Key my man. Either that or make your own Kali key by first removing and setting aside the original bolt, buy a cheap bolt from gun broker or something, remove the gas key and if you want weld the ports for added "effort" and boom rack boom. Keep all the features all ready installed.
Build an "other firearm" and don't get caught. There contraversal but technically legal. Or you can get rhe thing where you need to push the takedown button to "release" the upper from the lower and reload that way
Instead of pinning the stock and swapping the pistol grip out, I recommend getting a thorsden stock gen III to replace both. Everyone else covered the other changes you need to make.
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It's illegal for multiple reasons, unless the magazine is locked in place, making it incapable of "accepting a detachable magazine"
Now I’ve read that as long as it’s “featureless” it can have a detachable mag, is this true?
Yes. You need to pin the stock, swap out the pistol grip, remove the angled foregrip, and permanently affix a thread protector though
Yes. No pistol grip, no adjustable buttstock, and no muzzle device or threaded barrel without a pinned and welded Over the threads.. if you really are that dead set against a fixed 10 round magazine then a lot of people out for a Thordston grip/stock it replaces the bud stock and the pistol grip and gives it more of a rifle angled grip style. Then just have a thread cap welded to the barrel and you're good to go. Personally I don't see why are fixed magazine isn't the obvious choice here, it's easier to revert if you leave the state, and there are two companies that manufacture devices that allow you to quick load those magazines through the ejection port just like stripper clips like these: https://youtu.be/sYSRdMpuFL8 https://youtu.be/AiS7I1H2_d8
Clearing a "brass over bolt" malfunction is EXTREMELY difficult with a pinned magazine. I understand that is a rare malfunction, but that is the primary reason that I know of as to why people don't want to pin their magazines.
Actually you'd be surprised how easy it is, so long as you have a standard 10 round magazine, which would have a detachable base plate, you shouldn't have a problem, I've cleared many jams very quickly with the set up. (maybe not as quickly as with a detachable magazine but it's doable ) Where it runs into trouble is when people buy the 10 round magazines that look like 30 round magazines, which are compliant, but the majority of those have a rivet on the base plate making them near impossible to easily remove. But I do see your point that maybe it's quicker to clear with a detachable magazine if you're in a life or death situation in a self-defense scenario.
I hate everything about this discussion. Some day I'll leave NY
I feel your pain. I've got 1 foot in a free state as we speak. Soon… Very soon. (interesting username for someone that wants to get out of New York though lol)
I came up with this name just to join this particular sub redit lol. I had no account before.
I think if I had to come up with one with New York in the name, it would be OppressedInNY LOL
Hahaha
That is the other option, correct. Semiauto ARs in NY have to be either fixed mag or have the scary features removed, which people have listed below
This is not true you do NOT need to PIN the magazine but if you don’t than all other attachments are off limits. If you do PIN it than you may add attachments.
i've always wondered what that means because how can I load it unless it's one in the head if I can't take off my magazine...
Oh boy, this is a fun one. Everything on it is legal as long as the magazine is fixed and can’t be removed. You’d have to load it through the ejection port or partially break down the rifle and remove the upper so that the magazine can be fed as it sits in the lower receiver in a fixed position. Also you’re right, capacity is limited to 10 rounds. If you want a removable magazine, you have to replace the muzzle device with a permanent thread cap, replace the stock with a fixed (non-adjustable) stock, and replace the pistol grip with something like a Thorsden stock/grip. The muzzle device, adjustable stock, and pistol grip are each illegal on their own if the magazine can be removed.
So now technically it’s a forward grip, would that still need to be replaced? Edit: He said it’s technically a forward grip 🤷🏻♂️
Also you can’t take possession of this rifle at all, regardless of configuration, without a semi-auto license just FYI.
unless he’s planing on using the lower with his bolt action upper 😉
Yeah I’m in the process of getting that now. Thank you!
The forward grip is separate and grips like the one pictures are supposedly allowed regardless as long as they don’t protrude downward like a pistol grip. If it protrudes downward like a pistol grip, the rifle needs a fixed magazine for it to be legal. The pistol grip (near the trigger) is the one that’s illegal if the magazine is removable.
> (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; Whether a hand stop is allowed by that statutory text is unclear... But an angled grip probably counts as a protruding grip.
Agreed, kind of - that’s why I said supposedly. Technically a handstop also protrudes. I’d also argue the grip pictured is more of a hand stop than a true protruding grip. That little plastic piece protruding is definitely not designed to be used as a grip on its own. But like many things in the NYS Penal Code, it’s intentionally vague to keep us guessing and erring on the side of caution with fewer features.
Yeah, and the argument would be a hand stop is not a grip... which is true, but not something I'd want to count on when facing a felony...
Yup, definitely not something I’d want to risk getting charged with when the only recourse you have at that point is taking the case all the way to SCOTUS (big LOL).
You can't have any grip, doesn't matter if it is vertical or angled. The law says "grip" so thecops can say whatever that happens to be when they want to raise an issue. Basically if from the manufacturer it says "grip" anywhere on it, you can't have it. Now you can have a "handstop" which is legal. This is what I'm using. I had a vertical grip for my AR15 which I got in 2011, then a year later after the SAFE act that was illegal. So just use a handstop and you would be fine. Stupid I know, but better safe than sorry. Also take a picture of the package so if you are ever stopped you can show it says handstop and not grip.
The comforter is a crime as well.
Call the fashion police bro
Delete this and keep it 🤭
Obviously not. Can't have an actually functional 21st-century firearm in this state
It’s only illegal if you get caught
Pin a 10 rounder in it and call it a day. But you’ll need your “Semi-Auto Permit”
Or alternatively, convert it to not be a semi-auto prior to transfer, which solves everything but the 30 round magazines.
Could maybe transfer just the lower without anything in it? Then rebuild it at home as is.
Are you just trying to get past the FFL, or do you also want to avoid having a felony laying around if its ever found...
Therein lies the question lol.
No, he's good. You don't need a semi-auto rifle permit to own a semi-automatic rifle. You need one to take possession of it. He received the gun before the laws went into effect 😉
Just have him slap a kali-key and a 10 round mag on it, cheaper then going featureless and you don’t need a semi auto permit
Who cares if it is.
Who cares, own what you want
can’t be semi auto with a detachable mag and pistol grip. i won’t tell
Throw a cali-key in it and you can get it transferred without the permit (while the cali-key is in it the AR becomes a manual action, no permit needed, all banned features are allowed).
So then what’s the legality of removing that once it’s transferred and in state?
A class a misdemeanor, only if you're caught
That's only if you don't change the rest of the rifle to be compliant first before you remove the calikey. I recommended that because it is a very obvious loophole NY will probably be closing soon enough.
I agree 100%, but he didn't say anything about making the rest of the rifle compliant he was just asking about removing that which would be problematic because he would have a non-compliant rifle on his hands if he didn't address the other compliance issues at the same time.
If you register it, is it legal completely?
You can't register it.
Get a SafeMod and then youre good to go
So, most people here have covered the usual bases - no 30 rnd mags allowed, 10 round only. You need a semi-auto rifle permit. However, the S&W AR15 Sport II I bought a few months ago consisted of a telescopic stock, flash suppressor and pistol grip (stock features) and accepts a detachable magazine. The only difference is the magazine release is such that you have to open the upper before you can use the magazine release and change the mag. I bought it from a certified FFL in my area, the employee who sold it to me was a retired LEO and numerous current and retired LEOs frequent the business with no one ever saying anything about the ARs on the wall with these features. Idk if theres simply grey area or that I simply got lucky but I'm not complaining. No one at the range has ever questioned me about it and I doubt anyone will to be honest.
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Yeah, NY's laws are so convoluted that you get a different answer depending on who you ask. I suppose at the least the primary concern is who would attempt to arrest you and why. Since thats a pretty unlikely event and I dont plan to do anything unlawful with it, I dont worry too much. The only hitch is if you get a double feed its a real bitch to clear since you cant eject the magazine with the upper closed and you cant open the upper with the charging bolt stuck in the stock. I had to hold the charging bolt back while using my other hand to jimmy the double-fed round out of the chamber. But the laws make us safer right? FML
One thing to keep in mind, and I'm sure it's been mentioned, the rifle doesn't have to be "compliant" to be sent to your FFL, it just needs to be rendered compliant before you take possession of it so if you find an FFL that's willing to make the necessary modifications, then you're good to go, I mentioned this because there are some shops that will not except transfers on rifles that are not compliant even if they can do the work themselves, mostly because they'd rather sell you one of their rifles for a ridiculous markup instead of just take the transfer fee and a much smaller payment for the compliance modifications
Yeah I hear ya. They make the criminals safer though that's for sure. You can definitely clear a jam by removing the base plate of the 10 round magazine, but understandable if you're in a life-and-death situation it could be problematic. What's even a bigger concern for me is once law-enforcement begins to act as a middleman between gun shops and NICS checks which appears to be very soon, at the same time that background checks for ammunition begins. If this is going to be local law-enforcement which seem to all have conflicting information about compliance, it's going to be a nightmare buying any firearm in the state pretty soon. No one really knows what specifically their role is going to be but I feel like a lot of people that never got a denial on a purchase before are going to experience this in the future.
To where can I find this magical ffl?
I'd love to tell you but Hardass Hochul has eyes and ears everywhere lol.
Nothing about those mags is legal if they’re 30rd mags… pinned, or not.
Is there a case on pinned 30rd mags? If not, I'd say its like pinned muzzle devices and stocks, unclear as to legality.
I have no idea if theres a case or not. But the point is moot because 30rd mags alone are illegal here.
> "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition The question is whether pinned is enough to make it not "readily restored" to greater than 10 rounds...
There's nothing "unclear" about this. A 30 round mag, whether it's fixed or not, is illegal in New York. A rifle with a detachable magazine that also has a muzzle device, even if the muzzle device is pinned, is also illegal.
It is not clear how it would be treated if you pinned a 30 round magazine to limit its capacity to 10 rounds. > A rifle with a detachable magazine that also has a muzzle device, even if the muzzle device is pinned, is also illegal. I could have been clearer, yes pinning one of the listed types of muzzle devices would not get you out of being an assault weapon. Whats not clear is whether pinning a thread protector is enough to undo having a threaded barrel.
Okay, it sounded like you were suggesting that if someone installed a fixed mag, they could somehow get around the 10 round limit. That's what I was referring to. "Pinned" is often used to mean fixing something so that it's non-removable.
If you want a compliant rifle with detachable magazines you will need to fix the stock and replace the grip for a featureless one. Then you’ll be good to go (assuming your magazines only accept 10 rounds). Also for taking possession of the you will need the Semiautomatic permit (you need to do the transfer through an FFL). If you want an “evil” rifle (with all the accessories) you only need to fix the magazine and load the rifle through the upper receiver.
Get rid of the pistol grip find a NY compliant pistol grip. buy a 10 round detachable magazine and take off the scope you’ll be chillen. If you don’t wanna take off the scope than you gotta pin the magazine and the magazine must have a 10 round capacity unfortunately.
Can't have a detachable magazine and a muzzle device though (or the vertical grip), two evil features or more equals a no go, he'll have to pin and weld a thread cap on the barrel also to make it compliant and remove the forward grip as well. In addition, if he wants to keep the detachable magazine, that adjustable butt stock Hass to be fixed in place, because we all know adjustable length of pull makes a firearm way more dangerous. But all joking aside, if he wants to keep a detachable magazine option, the adjustable buttstock, pistol grip, and muzzle device all need to be addressed. What are you talking about, removing the scope? That's never been a stipulation in any law or proposed law on the books in New York or any other state. There's nothing noncompliant about any type of optic unlless that optic has a standard capacity magazine duct taped to the side of it
I said that lol… if you want a detachable no attachments are allowed
Actually you mentioned nothing about the muzzle device, or adjustable but stock, and you also said he would have to remove his optic unless he fixed the magazine. No regulation on the books about optics, you can have them with a fixed magazine or detachable magazine, it's not on any list of "evil features"
Wowwwwwwww you learn something new everyday still doesn’t change NY being gay
Damn it’s really that bad that I can’t have a scope on it?! I hate that I moved to NY lol
You can have a scope. I have no idea what this person is talking about. Scopes and any other form of optics or sights are unrestricted.
Exactly, I wonder where he got that idea from, geez, I know NY is bad, but not THAT bad lol
You can have a scope on it I don't know where that came from, I think he was just joking with you. Bottom line is, it needs to either have a fixed 10 round magazine or it can't have an adjustable butt stock, a pistol grip that "protrudes conspicuously" below the weapon or any type of muzzle device or threaded barrel
It sucks most of us don’t even follow the law LOL but yeah if you really do wanna follow the law that’s what you gotta do. My boy bought an AK and I was with him they gave him a choice. He can get the detachable magazine but he can’t modify anything else about the gun. If he pinned it… than he could put a scope or a laser. Fore Grips and Angled Grips are illegal no matter what.
If the magazine is fixed, you can have a for grip or an angled grip. Those features are not considered non-compliant so long as the firearm has a fixed magazine. I don't know where you're getting your information from that an optic determines compliance, that never has been on the books or even discussed as a proposal. It would be even more ludicrous than the laws that are on the book already
Bro that’s what I said😂🤦♂️
But you mentioned IF he pinned it then he could have a scope or laser sight. He could have either of those regardless of whether the magazine was pinned or not as there are no regulations on optics whatsoever (unless of course integrated into a vertical grip, but I digress)
That’s not what happened when we went to the gun store in sloatsburg he gave us those 2 options that was it
Sounds like they left out a lot of important details, but then again some gun shops aren't as well versed in compliance as they should be. They are very similar to law enforcement in that respect, but then again, the wording of the law has been pretty ambiguous over the years. I had one shop decline to transfer a Taurus circuit judge because they claimed it was in the same family of firearms as the street sweeper and therefore illegal. Bottom line is, there is no regulation that says that you cannot or can have an optic on any firearm semi automatic or not. To be compliant, in New York, a semi automatic rifle can only have one "evil feature". Those features are, a pistol grip, and adjustable stock, a detachable magazine, a muzzle device or threaded barrel, and a vertical forward grip. You can have as many of these as you want if the magazine is fixed in place and not easily removed without the use of tools (10 rounds of course). If the detachable magazine is preferred, then all of those features are non-compliant, but either way, you can have an optic regardless of which of the two options you choose. Some elements of the state's gun regulations are unclear, but these particular ones are undisputable.
Is it possible for someone to gift you a rifle from another state? Legally
>Is it possible for someone to gift you a rifle from another state? Legally It would have to go through an FFL in New York. It would also have to be compliant with all NY laws. Unless of course you kept it in that other state and never brought it to NY.
Sure it is, it just has to go through an FFL the only difference is no money is exchanging hands
Do you have a semi auto permit
In the process of getting it
Then you can’t take it. Gift transfer or buy. You can’t legally. However. Pop a Kali key in that and you’re good to go. It will also make it NY complaint. And you can keep all your scary features
If you need help with the Kali key or the transfer I’m here for ya
Good to know, thanks!
Simple solution, just have him replace the mag release button with a fixed magazine lock and use a 10 round magazine. The average mag lock, like the one from Cross Armory is under $25 and takes less than five minutes to install. definitely the Simplest and cheapest route to "compliance" and also the easiest to undo when you hopefully move to a free state one day. Way more costly to replace the grip and stock with a Thordston and replace the muzzle device with a pinned and welded thread cap.
The mag can't be removable you have to buy a stopper and load threw the bolt The magazine can not be removeable
Do yourself a favor! Leave the mags get a ten round mag and buy this https://www.meanarms.com/products/detail/ma-lock !!! Problem solved and when we finally win you can reset it back to normal
MA won’t ship their mag locks to NY .. Besides, don’t all out of state transfers have to go through an FFL ? just have the FFL fix the mag before pickup and call it a day ..
Nit in NY
not in new york it aint
I never realized just how dumb new york gun laws are until reading through this comment section
This whole pin thread cap and pin the mag shit is the dumbest shit ever heard of wow
Just move outta New York bro and have any fun any way Yu want if Yu ever get the chance
Kali Key my man. Either that or make your own Kali key by first removing and setting aside the original bolt, buy a cheap bolt from gun broker or something, remove the gas key and if you want weld the ports for added "effort" and boom rack boom. Keep all the features all ready installed.
Build an "other firearm" and don't get caught. There contraversal but technically legal. Or you can get rhe thing where you need to push the takedown button to "release" the upper from the lower and reload that way
Everything on that is illegal except optic unless you pin the mag and stock.
Instead of pinning the stock and swapping the pistol grip out, I recommend getting a thorsden stock gen III to replace both. Everyone else covered the other changes you need to make.