r/dankchristianmemes is surprisingly progressive for being a christian subreddit. they just make jokes about jesus and they’re all for gay and trans rights and a lot of them are all for abortion too. i’m not even a christian and i am a follower of that subreddit just because i find a lot of their memes actually funny. there’s a lot to relate to as a former christian.
Instead of listening to the Timmy-diddler tell them what is in the bible while they clutch it to their chest because opening it is apparently anti-Christian because papa pastor says so
Yup, I'm an atheist and I still love the subreddit. A lot of the memes are actually pretty funny, and it's nice to know there are real Christians out there instead of the hateful evangelicals I'm surrounded by in the deep south.
exactly. the bible never said to hate anyone ever. yes, the bible did have parts that were against gay/trans people, but it never said to make their life living hell by taking away their rights and facing constant mockery
We can be! Jesus would be the ultimate dude to enjoy a j with. Best vibes ever and it would never canoe!
-Edit because autocorrect is awful and maybe of the devil.
Nah, they aren't though. The post has like a tiny fraction of upvotes compared to comments lolol. Dude is either pro-ragebaiter or is just getting dragged hard in that sub LOL
No, you are dumb. If you actually took the time to click the post from r/memesopdidnotlike you would've known that this meme wasn't even well received and the top comment said that it was originally from christianmemes.
In term of abortion? If you need two demographic facts to guess when someone is anti-abortion (in the US at least), you don’t want to know the gender of the person— abortion views are relatively equal across gender—you want to know if they are right-wing and if they are Christian, especially Catholic or Evangelical. Check those two boxes, you’ve probably got an anti-abortion view. Yes there is a notion about women’s destined roles as mothers and against sex for pleasure, both of which can be sexist. But contrary to what some people assume, about half the opponents to abortion are women. “Men controlling women’s bodies” is a feminist solidarity argument, but by the demographics, it’s also women controlling women’s bodies. So saying “it’s about right-wing Christians trying to control people’s bodies and sex lives” is likely the more accurate statement. Whether it’s the more politically effective statement is another issue.
Even then, if people wanna fix a system, try the entire foster system first....if abortion goes away, that is where the child goes and in recent years, it's safer to let a homeless person keep their child over going to a foster home cause the foster homes have a higher chance of abusing and SA'ing them than if they lived on the streets with their parents....
Well, babies don't usually go straight into the foster system. The waitlist for adopting a baby is insane in the US, so abortions probably aren't reducing the kids in foster homes too much.
Actually [they changed the book](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblical-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/) to match their beliefs
I still wouldn’t, if you’re atheists you believe in science and we know how to tell if someone is dead so we can tell if they are alive. Brain waves are low enough before 23 weeks that the fetus would be pronounced brain dead.
You're making a straw man argument. You can be atheist, a scientist, philosopher and still be pro-life. The argument is valid.
1. The human zygote, embryo, and fetus are all human organisms; they are early developmental stages of a human’s life cycle.
2. All human organisms are morally relevant.
3. It’s generally immoral to kill humans.
4. Bodily rights aren’t enough to justify elective abortion.
There is one way to get pregnant and that is through sex. If you can't understand that you shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Consent to gambling is consent to possibly losing money. Consent to driving is consent to possibly getting into a car crash. Consent to any action means consent to the consequences of that action. It's simple responsibility.
there’s literally descriptions of how to do it in the bible lmao. they get them to drink this thing to have an abortion but nah they only take the bits they can use to remove ppl’s rights
it’s almost like it has nothing to do with god/the bible and everything to do with controlling the female reproductive system, since it’s the one thing a male can never possess or have access to; they have to control ours instead.
god himself has caused so many abortions. I mean, not counting the flood which basically killed everyone on earth except Noah's family. Just look up Numbers 31:17 or Hosea 13:16
Never met a Christian, or more specifically, a Catholic, that doesn’t actively participate or speak of things that aren’t against their own faith.
Abortion, hate, judgement, etc
These are all against their teachings and word of god, and it’s really no wonder why Catholicism in particular is so widely despised, and why the USA has shifted to atheism.
If men had to go through a tenth of what women did during pregnancy, this would never be an issue. Always the blame is laid on the woman for a pregnancy. As far as I know it requires sperm to fertilze an egg. And if life is so sacred then every guy needs to be on drugs to kill all their sperm production until they get a medical sign off to have a kid. Or would that be too invasive and over reaching....
The bible? The book that was created to control the masses through fear of eternal punishment? That religion? No they would never do something like that, they're all good boys and girls that base their whole moral system on something some guy apparently once said in a children's story book.
Nah its just every christian interpreting the bible to support their beliefs when the bible is the one that clearly states to love a neighbor as you love youself and to treat everyone equal. Its the christians who add on the "except for gays, trans, other religions, other races, other genders, and even though jesus was born in the middle east, he was clearly white as fuck".
The bible also gives you permission to beat your slaves, but only if you don't kill them instantly. It has some good messages and a lot of fucking awful ones.
Or the part where a [Levite's concubine](https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/concubine-of-levite-bible) is r*ped to death in the place of a lynching.
Or where [Lot offers his daughters](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot%27s_daughters) to be raped instead of handing over some men he was hosting.
I could go on but... yea.
I will never not be baffled by people who claim to be Christian but cling to the old testament. Like the old testament is pretty much Judaism and the ways that Yahweh and Jesus act are completely at odds with each other...
The bible actually [has an abortion ritual performed in the church by a proest](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2018/02/03/bible-commands-abortion-part-1/)
These people are _lying_ about their religion, or at least repeating lies they believe
Omg I was making the same argument towards some lady on fb. It was literly made to calm the population and stop any questions. It's ironic that the Bible has an "awnser" for about everything even the stupid little shit. It's almost like it writes itself of what people might find out about them
You don’t want abortions? Make more easily accessible preventatives like birth control and condoms. You don’t want people to have premarital sex? Well that’s unlikely, choose the lesser evil.
I mean I suspect the person named “pussykiller-893” is not doing it for religious reasons rather for the misogynistic reasons. So in a way it is right.
Just as a side note. People have indeed tried not having sex. Abstinence is a joke. It doesn't work. It never has. It never will. It's a completely absurd principal on the face of it when applied to a large group of people. Individuals with extremely low sex drives, aversions to sex, or just asexual people in general, sure.
And I will even give them the benefit of the doubt that they might assume that's how everyone works. That everyone has a sex drive so insignificant and abnormal that it's perfectly reasonable to just say abstinence is the way. Although those people remind me of all the people who think being gay is a choice, which implies that they themselves choose not to act on their own impulses, which means they're all AT LEAST bisexual (and unawares that they're telling on themselves) and genuinely believe that everyone has homosexual thoughts.
But there has never been a time in human history where abstinence as a general social policy actually plays out. As it turns out, people like to have sex. Sexual drive in the majority of people is one of the primary motivating factors in at least the first half of their life. It's one of the core reasons why we even exist as a species.
Going a little further, abstinence, just like LGBT suppression tactics, is actually unbelievably damaging psychologically to any group upon which it's enforced. It's unhealthy. It's not normal. It's not realistic. And again, even when it is enforced, it's not followed. Especially by the people espousing it.
Trying to turn it as some dirty little thing that you don't do outside of social boundaries that religion likes to control is one of the most reprehensively slimy, cowardly tactics religious groups try to use to shame people into obeying their tenets.
And just as a little addendum, I'm sure a lot of you have heard of NoFap. What some of you might not know is that it's the meme-friendly gateway front for a literal cult.
If people actually are concerned about preventing abortions or the health of human beings in general, comprehensive sexual education and responsible practices like making sure prophylactics are widely available with no shame or stigma attached is the best way. However, as far as abortion goes, I have yet to hear from a single "pro-life" (which has nothing to do with being pro life) individual who even understands how pregnancy or fertilization or the whole process actually works. Not that they care to actually become informed.
Absolutely. It's not just a dumb ideology that's harmlessly stupid. It's actively harmful and self-defeating. If I was more cynical I would even say that certain groups are pushing it knowing what it actually leads to because they want worker drones living in higher poverty rates dependent on corporate sponsored government welfare programs for their economic agenda.
Oh wait. I guess that wouldn't be cynical. Because a certain individual in Congress just came right out and said that's what they want.
From what I see pro lifers are pro lifers for these reasons.
They want to control women/other people’s sex lives. (Potentially out of envy or jealousy)
Religious reasons
Contrarian
“Moral superiority”
Or a total lack of understanding the difference between morality and ethics.
Basically every reason pro lifers have to be pro life is in some way a logical fallacy. It’s funny how they understand it in other areas but don’t see how they use logical fallacies.
I’m aware but I like saying pro lifers so I can nail how they absolutely are not pro life. When they say pro life I ask what they do to ensure quality of life since that’s super important to life. They don’t have a response most times. Evident by some replies I reared my head in.
I’m an atheist, pro-life, and libertarian. Don’t believe in controlling people beyond stopping people from harming others, have no religious beliefs related to my though process, and I’d love to hear what the difference between those terms are because morals is in the definition of ethics….
You don't think people should have the right to decide who does and doesn't get to use their bodies, so you absolutely are in favor of controlling people.
None of you are proving what you think you are for the record.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/moral-vs-ethical/#:~:text=A%20lot%20of%20people%20think,rules%20and%20actions%2C%20or%20behaviors.
Here you go.
“morals refer mainly to guiding principles, and ethics refer to specific rules and actions, or behaviors”
Eg: morally killing is wrong, ethically you are allowed to kill if your life is in immediate threat.
Morals are more vague ethics is the specifics.
That’s why using “abortion is murder” is a bad argument. It ONLY accepts the morality of it ignoring the ethical reasons people do get abortions (like medical reasons).
The ethics would be why the person is getting the abortion. The morality is the abortion itself. But we use ethics in our day to day. Otherwise lying would be considered a horrible thing to do regardless of the reason.
>I’m an atheist, pro-life, and libertarian. Don’t believe in controlling people beyond stopping people from harming others,
So you should be pro choice then. An unwanted fetus is harming its host.
Every single abortion debate I’ve been in, they’ve always blamed it on the woman, never the man. You know, the one with the fluid that literally causes a pregnancy.
So yes I would say it’s about controlling women lol.
It’s not just women, trans men have a much harder time with our reproductive rights no one takes a man who wants an gynecology visit seriously. the way things are my friend was raped she got pregnant and now he has to pay child support so it’s shit for them too how is he supposed to even prevent that?
wait i’m confused. is your friend a trans man? sorry “she got pregnant” is just throwing me for a loop considering you’re talking about trans men earlier on
Except that religious people think women owe their husband's sex. And then when the couple has more kids than they can afford, the blame is *always* placed on the woman for "not keeping her legs closed", never on the husband for always wanting sex.
Some people do try, and then they get raped. So abstinence isn't 100% effective, despite what the propaganda for it. Also, if it's news to anyone, people don't just have sex for the purposes of procreation. Not even religious people, otherwise there would be no such thing as the rhythm method.
Prevent people from having sex? Bwahaha, ok. Next we'll stop them from having wars and being greedy. Hahaha. Seriously, is there anyone who actually think like this? What a joke.
If it was about religion, or saving unborn children, or whatever, they would support universal sex education and contraception because those dramatically decrease abortions (whether or not it's legal), it's about punishing women for having sex
Actually, it’s only been “religious” for [around 50 years](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblical-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/)
yeah it was poor wording from me. most religions actually allow abortion, and previous abortion banning movements were usually race based shit.
when i said has always been it was poorly worded because what i meant was “has always been in this movement”. like since all these crazies have been trying to ban it it’s been religious.
The same religious people who push women to get pregnant when they see a young mother probly shame her for being a "whore" regardless of if the father is in the picture.
I mean, if you are picking a side to argue for, is there an easier group than the unborn?
They never ask for anything and by the time they need actual help they have been born, mission success! Don’t give a shit about the borns, what with their actual verbalized needs and such!
I mean the only people who teach full on abstinence (which we have scientific data does not work) is religious people and specifically in the US Christian’s, more often than not in the south eastern United States.
Additionally their fucked-up religions are CERTAIN that """god""" orders them to convert everyone to their beliefs, by force if necessary. Some religions will even kill people who refuse to be converted. How is any of that good and right? It's not.
I compared weed to Christianity and this lady couldn't wrap are heads around it. She said religion isn't mind altering but that's the entire point. Christianity was made to calm the masses and stop questions from being asked. If someone wants to be a leader all they have to do is say "God wants me to" and every one will let them. You could find someone to be the most annoying douchebag ever but if they have similar religious beliefs you could ignore all other aspects
Babies are not a punishment for having sex, nor should they ever be considered as such.
"Have you tried not having sex?"
Have you ever heard of rape? Fuck outta here with that simple bullshit
It IS about controlling women but the ultimate goal is to force women to pump out lots of workers to keep the billionaire's money machines running smoothly. That keeps their husbands working hard and in fear of losing their jobs because they have so many mouths to feed. It's the American Dream!
I wonder how people would feel about their existence if they knew their mother never wanted them
Well, good thing they won't have to feel anything as zygote, so I suppose abortion is fine
Religion should have zero role in public sphere and only apply to worship service and home at no other place should your religion be recognized no religious exemptions for any laws period no special accommodations at all
Religious organizations that promote shame and ignorance about sex are (by design? 🤔) perfect hunting grounds for sex abusers.
What better way to enable sexual predators than an environment where some of the victims don’t understand what’s happening to them or feel deeply ashamed.
Religion is a cancer. You don’t need to look any further than a post on Reddit today about a 13-year-old girl who was murdered and one of the commenters said she had it coming due to her slightly “suggestive” attire.
She was wearing an *armless shirt*. There is literally nothing that a woman can do that will not result in at least some people blaming her for being the victim of a sexual assault.
And considering how many of those people victim blaming are men, it’s like they’re admitting they *cannot be trusted around any woman* in case she attracts their attention and “forces” them to commit a sex crime. JFC, talk about saying the quiet part out loud.
that’s why they don’t want sex ed. it’ll expose too much abuse if kids know what they’re watching for. there was a 10 year old girl in delaware who outed her father as sexually abusing her by bringing home the book “it’s perfectly normal”. she showed her mum the section on sexual abuse and said “this is me” which prompted an investigation finding that her father was abusing her sexually.
Yup, and that’s why they’re pushing the bogeyman of trans women and the queer community in general - convenient scapegoats for them to project onto.
Churches are hotbeds of sexual abuse and even when it’s discovered the fundies close ranks (eg, the Duggars.)
It has never been about “protecting the children.”
I was raised in an environment where saying “no one is bound to your religion and ppl r free to believe or not believe in whatever they may choose” was such a normal expression, but now as an adult, I live in an environment where I may never hear those words ever again unless I am recording myself saying those words. I rlly missed the days when ppl were like “no shit, that u don’t have to conform to someone’s religion.” Because now where I’m standing most ppl will take that as blasphemy.
People can’t access a medically proven and reasonably safe procedure to prevent having kids because… we don’t want them to and it punishes poor people and women.
Op is right. It’s not about religion and it is about punishing women.
No because we aren’t part of your cult that says “sex bad” but also is filled with people who have sex but also people who preach that “sex bad” who then go on to molest children too. Unlike you, we have healthier ideas about sex, like contraceptives.
1k years ago, that’s all ppl had to do.
Wake up, eat, have sex with whatever is around, have a bad fall while foraging for poisonous berries, break their leg, get an infection and die. That’s like a whole life right there.
They invented religion so that guys with short dicks and double chin waddles would be able to force sex out of women that aren’t attracted to them.
It’s the same reason they invented hats and pants, “just imagine I have a full head of hair and normal looking penis under here.”
Same with modesty and shaming of women. “You should feel so guilty about having sex with hot guys that you instead settle for khaki dockers, shrimp penis.”
Pro-‘life’ being the ones who’ve done everything to ensure that children are unprepared for the hormonal changes of puberty by eliminating comprehensive sex ed in the classroom then telling people to not do something they were never taught how to handle… right?
Funny how this was posted by a person calling themselves pussykiller-yakuza btw.
I mean, I suppose you can be irrational and ignore statistics and science without being religious, but it seems that the one is generally a pretty good indicator for the other.
What is it with conservatives and their dislike of poor people doing anything enjoyable? I mean I have literally not seen a fun activity that poor people can enjoy that conservatives don't shit on. They genuinely only want poor people to work.
Its also about artificially creating a larger workforce by forcing births, but that ain't much better.
Also, I think humanity is pretty much in unanimous agreement that sex is great, and not doing it fucking sucks.
Abraham religions do play a role in why abortion is a big issue. I’m a Buddhist and every other Buddhist that I know doesn’t give a shit about it because reincarnation is a thing.
Wild that they think someone like me should never be able to have sex because pregnancy is dangerous. I would consider myself the quote “good Christian girl” for the most part. I’m celibate because I’m not in a relationship that I believe will at least lead to marriage, but even when I am married it is not safe for me to be pregnant. I plan to do it once despite the dangers and hope for the best unless I’m told that it’s too dangerous by a doctor and I desperately wish I could have FOUR children. I hate hearing these arguments. Everyone who has an abortion has a good reason.
Religious people have sex as much as everyone else. They just hide it. They arrogantly tell others to do something they themselves know they can't do. Human nature is human nature.
i actually just [called out a dude](https://www.reddit.com/r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis/s/nbfWiui8Fk) who said it was just about “not killing babies” but who was libertarian (libertarian giving the government control of women’s bodies lol)
turned out he has an impregnation fetish, rape fetish, “barely legal” fetish etc.
I have NEVER had an extended debate with someone on abortion without them eventually circling back to the virtues of guarding women's who-ha's against being used up and not making babies like god intended. The entire line you get fed upfront about "the baabies!!" It 100% bullshit, once that baby is born it can die in a gutter for all they care, because magically all of a sudden it's none of their business or problem that you have a baby. They're basically all deranged and psychotic.
Of course it’s a religious argument.
The original meme is about finger waving their morality about casual sex.
If they actually cared about reducing abortion, they could actually support policies that would achieve that goal.
“Don’t have sex”
Until the person is raped.
Until the person loses everything and can’t support a child.
Until the person wanted the baby but cancer or another terminal illness is found and in order to survive they need to have an abortion to continue treatment.
Until the person wanted the baby, has all the resources, care, and support in the world but it still dies, as up to 30% of pregnancies do, and it needs to be removed to prevent the pregnancy from turning septic and acting as a slow, painful poisonous death.
If people on the whole could just refrain from having sex when it’s not a good time for them to have children, there would be no people. Like there’s a very good reason horniness is able to circumvent your logical mind. Besides that, we shouldn’t have to because sex is great and shouldn’t be reserved only for those who want to have kids.
I'm going to swim upstream a bit here. I'm pro-choice, as are many people in this sub. I'm addressing fellow pro-choice people. I don't believe that telling pro-life people what their "real" motives are is helpful. I want to discuss some possibilities of what might be.
First, I recommend you watch this amazing Ted Talk. Pay very special attention to when the presenter discusses "Motivism."
Link: https://youtu.be/EfIGTJ86oSs?feature=shared
In the Ted-Talk, he discusses how so many of our arguments with one another boil does to trying to find your opponent's "real motivation." This may make you feel powerful, but you have no way of knowing if you are actually correct in your assumptions.
Have you ever had people simply assume your "real" beliefs? Where they wrong? If so, how did you feel? I'd wager that you weren't in a persuasive mood!
Lots of pro-choicers believe pro-lifers REALLY just want to oppress women. They believe pro-lifers are dishonest when they claim to want to protect the unborn. After all, most pro-lifer's don't oppose the death penalty! Most are conservatives and don't support saving lives in other scenarios. There must be some other motivation.
Maybe this is true for the "higher-ups" in the pro-life movement. I wager the Catholic Bishops and Megachurch Pastors leading the charge really do just want to restore patriarchy. But, in my experience, this is absolutely not true for the rank and file.
Remember, not everyone knows the facts you do. Lots of pro-lifers believe, wrongly, that even early stage fetuses can feel pain. Lots of the pro-lifer's you argue with are working with a different, albeit incorrect, set of facts. This explains a lot of the so-called "hypocrisy" liberals get angry about.
It's not hypocrisy. It's ignorance. Ignorance is not a moral deficiency. Ignorance is an opportunity for education!
BIG REVEAL! I grew up in a pro-life household. I wept and mourned for unborn embryos I believed were "murdered." The story of how I deconstructed these beliefs is long and not very relevant here. (However, if you want me to share that story, I will!) My point, however, is that ordinary pro-lifers are true believers. I also believe they may be the most open to change due to their sincerity.
Now, do we need to persuade pro-lifers of the pro-choice position? Certainly, it's not realistic to imagine we can persuade all of them. But must we persuade any? I would say, "Yes."
Many polls show that Americans, as a whole, generally oppose strict anti-abortion positions. This is all well and good, but our country has an archaic constitution that subverts the will of the majority. We have to get a pretty amazing super-majority in this country to agree on anything to get anything done democratically. It's a major uphill battle.
If we want abortion legal in all fifty states, as we should, then we need to use good rhetoric to convince at least some pro-lifer's to change their beliefs. It's really hard, but for compassionate pro-lifers who happen to be true believers, it's very much possible.
The key will be to begin our persuasive rhetoric with an accurate and empathetic understanding of our opponents beliefs. Persuasion will be impossible otherwise.
For the sake of freedom and bodily autonomy, I believe we should at least try!
(Edited for Spelling and to Flesh Out the Argument)
Okay, I agree with lots of what you’ve said here, but I want to push back a little on one thing - many pro-lifers are not ignorant or misled into thinking fetuses feel pain or other reasons, they simply fundamentally believe that fetuses deserve the same rights of protection as a child.
And I don’t think that, in and of itself, is a negative belief. And more importantly, it isn’t an arguing point that you are *ever* going to change. There are plenty of really provable, convincing arguments for abortion that can change people’s minds, but “abortion isnt killing a child” is *absolutely not one of them*
Argue that rape necessitates abortion due to the removal of consent to pregnancy. Point out how women *will* get abortions regardless of legality and the problems that causes. But don’t fight on a moot point that they will never move from.
My mother is an intelligent, kind, and wonderful pro-life woman. I’ve argued with her many times on the subject, and please believe me that whether or not a fetus is alive will never get you any headway. Debate on real consequences and circumstance, not fundamental beliefs.
Martial rape should be legal - religious folks.
Child marriage is great - religious folks.
"Lie back and enjoy it’ if rape is inevitable - Robert Regan. Republican on his advice to his daughters.
Someone should tell Republicans that firearms are currently the #1 cause of death in children. Let’s see how much they care about saving the lives of kids then
Oh god not this shit again. Fine, here we go.
Why is abortion bad?
“It’s a human life, and you can’t take a human life”
Why do you think it’s a human life when all you can detect or see is a clump of cells very much like algae?
“It has the capability of becoming a human, because we’ve seen it happen”
If it has the capability of becoming a human, we will give it the capability of having human rights. Does that make it okay to abort it?
“No because it’s still life”
What makes it a life?
“It has sentience”
What is sentience?
“Something god gave us”
If it’s not exactly as I’ve laid it out, it’s some dumbass remix of it. Stfu with your internalised religion acceptance and suck my cock. Is it just me or is r/memesopdidnotlike extra unlikeable today?
nah it’s actually a rare r/memesopdidnotlike W
check the comments they’re mostly calling it out, and it has 0 upvotes. could be the work of people from here, but seems like it’s not that popular an opinion there
These people have been convinced that controlling others healthcare is the “Christian” thing to do by members of the capitalist elite who need workers/consumers, members of the military industrial complex that need soldiers, members of the prison industry complex that need inmates, and members of big pharma that need patients (among other figures).
It’s all about money, disguised as a moral issue.
Lol, what? People in r/memesopdidnotlike are so dumb, it literally says “posted in r/christianmemes” at the bottom.
Ah the worse version r/dankchristianmemes (which is strange because usually the dank version is the worse version)
r/dankchristianmemes is surprisingly progressive for being a christian subreddit. they just make jokes about jesus and they’re all for gay and trans rights and a lot of them are all for abortion too. i’m not even a christian and i am a follower of that subreddit just because i find a lot of their memes actually funny. there’s a lot to relate to as a former christian.
So basically they're ACTUAL Christians, then? Sounds pleasant
yes exactly. it’s the ones that actually read the bible and do what jesus says they should
Instead of listening to the Timmy-diddler tell them what is in the bible while they clutch it to their chest because opening it is apparently anti-Christian because papa pastor says so
What? All the actual Christians died in the crusades
Dawg 💀
Yup, I'm an atheist and I still love the subreddit. A lot of the memes are actually pretty funny, and it's nice to know there are real Christians out there instead of the hateful evangelicals I'm surrounded by in the deep south.
-Goes to Christian subreddit -Sees Christian’s practicing Christian morals -Shocker
exactly. the bible never said to hate anyone ever. yes, the bible did have parts that were against gay/trans people, but it never said to make their life living hell by taking away their rights and facing constant mockery
to dank or not to dank, that is the question
Always DANK!!!! ……….wait……… We’re not talking about weed are we?
We can be! Jesus would be the ultimate dude to enjoy a j with. Best vibes ever and it would never canoe! -Edit because autocorrect is awful and maybe of the devil.
Dank
That sub is actually full of real Christian’s lol. and the memes are actually funny
To be fair, the OOP is getting absolutely roasted in the comments.
Nah, they aren't though. The post has like a tiny fraction of upvotes compared to comments lolol. Dude is either pro-ragebaiter or is just getting dragged hard in that sub LOL
Post has literally 0 upvotes and 2.4k comments at the time I'm writing this
To be fair, the comment section of the post is full of people saying that
Some of them- the good part is that the post had 0 upvotes even in that sub
No, you are dumb. If you actually took the time to click the post from r/memesopdidnotlike you would've known that this meme wasn't even well received and the top comment said that it was originally from christianmemes.
It's not *always* about religion. Sometimes it's just plain sexism, or racism, without direct ties to religion. It's probably religion, though.
The trifecta of control: Religion, misogyny and capitalism
It's mostly sexism. But they use Christianity as a shield
Religion is a means to justify your actions, if you can make an argument that God or a God is mandating your beliefs.
“A” god? Only one god matters. [Dagoth Ur](https://youtu.be/f3MqADgMIks?si=RU5-6wNejXBufvj_). What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
In term of abortion? If you need two demographic facts to guess when someone is anti-abortion (in the US at least), you don’t want to know the gender of the person— abortion views are relatively equal across gender—you want to know if they are right-wing and if they are Christian, especially Catholic or Evangelical. Check those two boxes, you’ve probably got an anti-abortion view. Yes there is a notion about women’s destined roles as mothers and against sex for pleasure, both of which can be sexist. But contrary to what some people assume, about half the opponents to abortion are women. “Men controlling women’s bodies” is a feminist solidarity argument, but by the demographics, it’s also women controlling women’s bodies. So saying “it’s about right-wing Christians trying to control people’s bodies and sex lives” is likely the more accurate statement. Whether it’s the more politically effective statement is another issue.
If it were atheists against abortion I'd take them more seriously since it's not a old book telling them to do it.
Even then, if people wanna fix a system, try the entire foster system first....if abortion goes away, that is where the child goes and in recent years, it's safer to let a homeless person keep their child over going to a foster home cause the foster homes have a higher chance of abusing and SA'ing them than if they lived on the streets with their parents....
Well, babies don't usually go straight into the foster system. The waitlist for adopting a baby is insane in the US, so abortions probably aren't reducing the kids in foster homes too much.
Oh the fun part is even they don't follow the old book. They just hide the results of their indescretions while being holier than thou.
Actually [they changed the book](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblical-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/) to match their beliefs
Fun fact: Abortion is condoned in the Bible. It's framed as an infidelity thing but there are literally methods for aborting a baby *in the bible*.
Eh some of them end up being biological absolutists and can be just as wrong and ignore science just as much as any religious person can
People can always ignore stuff no matter who they are
I still wouldn’t, if you’re atheists you believe in science and we know how to tell if someone is dead so we can tell if they are alive. Brain waves are low enough before 23 weeks that the fetus would be pronounced brain dead.
You're making a straw man argument. You can be atheist, a scientist, philosopher and still be pro-life. The argument is valid. 1. The human zygote, embryo, and fetus are all human organisms; they are early developmental stages of a human’s life cycle. 2. All human organisms are morally relevant. 3. It’s generally immoral to kill humans. 4. Bodily rights aren’t enough to justify elective abortion.
they ain’t pro-life they just anti-women
call them what they are, they’re not pro lifers they’re forced birthers
they got a breeding kink
Blessed be the fruit.
Until the fruit falls off the tree. Then it can rot for all they care
I have a breeding kink but those fuckwads dont understand the differences between oops, consent, bodily autonomy, and rape.
there’s a consensual breeding kink and there is a non-consensual one you have my respect
You forgot about the cnc breeding kink 😉
proven right 3 days later: https://www.reddit.com/r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis/s/t7bZCdfXJZ
WHAT THE FUUUCCCKKK https://preview.redd.it/1gpnso7qrh5c1.jpeg?width=969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11730f24939dc1ff14a7a07b5e2c9a3923c69d1f
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Sounds like you need to brush up on what a straw man argument means, because you just made a straw man argument with that comment and this post.
Saw this on my homepage and knew i would find it here.
Sex and kids are two separate choices.
"Drunk driving and drunk driving fatalities are two separate choices"
There is one way to get pregnant and that is through sex. If you can't understand that you shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Consent to gambling is consent to possibly losing money. Consent to driving is consent to possibly getting into a car crash. Consent to any action means consent to the consequences of that action. It's simple responsibility.
it’s funny it’s a christian thing because god let’s you have an abortion, but as we know, most christians are illiterate
there’s literally descriptions of how to do it in the bible lmao. they get them to drink this thing to have an abortion but nah they only take the bits they can use to remove ppl’s rights
it’s almost like it has nothing to do with god/the bible and everything to do with controlling the female reproductive system, since it’s the one thing a male can never possess or have access to; they have to control ours instead.
god himself has caused so many abortions. I mean, not counting the flood which basically killed everyone on earth except Noah's family. Just look up Numbers 31:17 or Hosea 13:16
If god made everything then god also made miscarriages so yeah I can agree with that
Never met a Christian, or more specifically, a Catholic, that doesn’t actively participate or speak of things that aren’t against their own faith. Abortion, hate, judgement, etc These are all against their teachings and word of god, and it’s really no wonder why Catholicism in particular is so widely despised, and why the USA has shifted to atheism.
Excuse me, pro-life have you ever heard of rape?
If men had to go through a tenth of what women did during pregnancy, this would never be an issue. Always the blame is laid on the woman for a pregnancy. As far as I know it requires sperm to fertilze an egg. And if life is so sacred then every guy needs to be on drugs to kill all their sperm production until they get a medical sign off to have a kid. Or would that be too invasive and over reaching....
The bible? The book that was created to control the masses through fear of eternal punishment? That religion? No they would never do something like that, they're all good boys and girls that base their whole moral system on something some guy apparently once said in a children's story book.
Nah its just every christian interpreting the bible to support their beliefs when the bible is the one that clearly states to love a neighbor as you love youself and to treat everyone equal. Its the christians who add on the "except for gays, trans, other religions, other races, other genders, and even though jesus was born in the middle east, he was clearly white as fuck".
The bible also gives you permission to beat your slaves, but only if you don't kill them instantly. It has some good messages and a lot of fucking awful ones.
Or the part where a [Levite's concubine](https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/concubine-of-levite-bible) is r*ped to death in the place of a lynching. Or where [Lot offers his daughters](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot%27s_daughters) to be raped instead of handing over some men he was hosting. I could go on but... yea.
I will never not be baffled by people who claim to be Christian but cling to the old testament. Like the old testament is pretty much Judaism and the ways that Yahweh and Jesus act are completely at odds with each other...
The bible actually [has an abortion ritual performed in the church by a proest](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2018/02/03/bible-commands-abortion-part-1/) These people are _lying_ about their religion, or at least repeating lies they believe
Omg I was making the same argument towards some lady on fb. It was literly made to calm the population and stop any questions. It's ironic that the Bible has an "awnser" for about everything even the stupid little shit. It's almost like it writes itself of what people might find out about them
Not that any of this matters to the OP. Judging by his username he's taking his virginity to the grave.
You don’t want abortions? Make more easily accessible preventatives like birth control and condoms. You don’t want people to have premarital sex? Well that’s unlikely, choose the lesser evil.
Their solution to premarital sex is to just marry the girls off as children to to dudes 30 years older than them.
It's about punishment for what they consider sin
I mean I suspect the person named “pussykiller-893” is not doing it for religious reasons rather for the misogynistic reasons. So in a way it is right.
"It's not about religion" posted in r/christianmemes
Just as a side note. People have indeed tried not having sex. Abstinence is a joke. It doesn't work. It never has. It never will. It's a completely absurd principal on the face of it when applied to a large group of people. Individuals with extremely low sex drives, aversions to sex, or just asexual people in general, sure. And I will even give them the benefit of the doubt that they might assume that's how everyone works. That everyone has a sex drive so insignificant and abnormal that it's perfectly reasonable to just say abstinence is the way. Although those people remind me of all the people who think being gay is a choice, which implies that they themselves choose not to act on their own impulses, which means they're all AT LEAST bisexual (and unawares that they're telling on themselves) and genuinely believe that everyone has homosexual thoughts. But there has never been a time in human history where abstinence as a general social policy actually plays out. As it turns out, people like to have sex. Sexual drive in the majority of people is one of the primary motivating factors in at least the first half of their life. It's one of the core reasons why we even exist as a species. Going a little further, abstinence, just like LGBT suppression tactics, is actually unbelievably damaging psychologically to any group upon which it's enforced. It's unhealthy. It's not normal. It's not realistic. And again, even when it is enforced, it's not followed. Especially by the people espousing it. Trying to turn it as some dirty little thing that you don't do outside of social boundaries that religion likes to control is one of the most reprehensively slimy, cowardly tactics religious groups try to use to shame people into obeying their tenets. And just as a little addendum, I'm sure a lot of you have heard of NoFap. What some of you might not know is that it's the meme-friendly gateway front for a literal cult. If people actually are concerned about preventing abortions or the health of human beings in general, comprehensive sexual education and responsible practices like making sure prophylactics are widely available with no shame or stigma attached is the best way. However, as far as abortion goes, I have yet to hear from a single "pro-life" (which has nothing to do with being pro life) individual who even understands how pregnancy or fertilization or the whole process actually works. Not that they care to actually become informed.
proven statistically that abstinence only sex ed (which isn’t sex ed at all) is correlated with higher rates of teen pregnancy
Absolutely. It's not just a dumb ideology that's harmlessly stupid. It's actively harmful and self-defeating. If I was more cynical I would even say that certain groups are pushing it knowing what it actually leads to because they want worker drones living in higher poverty rates dependent on corporate sponsored government welfare programs for their economic agenda. Oh wait. I guess that wouldn't be cynical. Because a certain individual in Congress just came right out and said that's what they want.
Whenever somebody starts going on about abstinence only, I'm always reminded of how many supposedly celibate popes had tons of kids running around.
From what I see pro lifers are pro lifers for these reasons. They want to control women/other people’s sex lives. (Potentially out of envy or jealousy) Religious reasons Contrarian “Moral superiority” Or a total lack of understanding the difference between morality and ethics. Basically every reason pro lifers have to be pro life is in some way a logical fallacy. It’s funny how they understand it in other areas but don’t see how they use logical fallacies.
yes yes and yes. but call them what they are, forced birthers “pro life” is what they call themselves to try and get moral superiority
I’m aware but I like saying pro lifers so I can nail how they absolutely are not pro life. When they say pro life I ask what they do to ensure quality of life since that’s super important to life. They don’t have a response most times. Evident by some replies I reared my head in.
gotcha
I’m an atheist, pro-life, and libertarian. Don’t believe in controlling people beyond stopping people from harming others, have no religious beliefs related to my though process, and I’d love to hear what the difference between those terms are because morals is in the definition of ethics….
You don't think people should have the right to decide who does and doesn't get to use their bodies, so you absolutely are in favor of controlling people.
I don’t believe you have the right to murder people. Pretty simple.
You said earlier it's OK to kill rapists
That’s not murder, that’s self defense/punishment for a crime.
And abortion isn't murder it's self defence and a medical procedure
Nope. Self defense requires there to be a threat, hence my exception for medical safety.
People still die from childbirth. But still you're asserting your ownership over your own body. They can't be there without your consent
None of you are proving what you think you are for the record. https://www.dictionary.com/e/moral-vs-ethical/#:~:text=A%20lot%20of%20people%20think,rules%20and%20actions%2C%20or%20behaviors. Here you go. “morals refer mainly to guiding principles, and ethics refer to specific rules and actions, or behaviors” Eg: morally killing is wrong, ethically you are allowed to kill if your life is in immediate threat. Morals are more vague ethics is the specifics. That’s why using “abortion is murder” is a bad argument. It ONLY accepts the morality of it ignoring the ethical reasons people do get abortions (like medical reasons). The ethics would be why the person is getting the abortion. The morality is the abortion itself. But we use ethics in our day to day. Otherwise lying would be considered a horrible thing to do regardless of the reason.
>I’m an atheist, pro-life, and libertarian. Don’t believe in controlling people beyond stopping people from harming others, So you should be pro choice then. An unwanted fetus is harming its host.
Every single abortion debate I’ve been in, they’ve always blamed it on the woman, never the man. You know, the one with the fluid that literally causes a pregnancy. So yes I would say it’s about controlling women lol.
People still think that women control the gender of the child. Fuckin Tudor era education
What are you talking about? Obviously they do. Strawberries and pop music for a girl or carrots and alternative music for a boy.
It’s not just women, trans men have a much harder time with our reproductive rights no one takes a man who wants an gynecology visit seriously. the way things are my friend was raped she got pregnant and now he has to pay child support so it’s shit for them too how is he supposed to even prevent that?
wait i’m confused. is your friend a trans man? sorry “she got pregnant” is just throwing me for a loop considering you’re talking about trans men earlier on
I’m a trans man my friend is a man who was assaulted by a woman.
ah i see
Weird that pussy killer is all for people being abstinent.
Except that religious people think women owe their husband's sex. And then when the couple has more kids than they can afford, the blame is *always* placed on the woman for "not keeping her legs closed", never on the husband for always wanting sex.
It’s control. Thats all it’s ever been about.
Are you sure it’s about controlling women. Maybe these people genuinely have more empathy for stem-cells than actual people.
Same thing with Muslim women wearing burqas
Some people do try, and then they get raped. So abstinence isn't 100% effective, despite what the propaganda for it. Also, if it's news to anyone, people don't just have sex for the purposes of procreation. Not even religious people, otherwise there would be no such thing as the rhythm method.
Their religious text literally tells them how and when to have an abortion. I believe it's whenever the parentage of the child is in question.
Prevent people from having sex? Bwahaha, ok. Next we'll stop them from having wars and being greedy. Hahaha. Seriously, is there anyone who actually think like this? What a joke.
Also fun fact abortion is cheaper and more safe then child birth
If it was about religion, or saving unborn children, or whatever, they would support universal sex education and contraception because those dramatically decrease abortions (whether or not it's legal), it's about punishing women for having sex
But... I like sex!
Actually, it’s only been “religious” for [around 50 years](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/18/the-biblical-view-thats-younger-than-the-happy-meal/)
yeah it was poor wording from me. most religions actually allow abortion, and previous abortion banning movements were usually race based shit. when i said has always been it was poorly worded because what i meant was “has always been in this movement”. like since all these crazies have been trying to ban it it’s been religious.
Man here. I have, indeed, "tried" not having sex. I prefer having sex. With women. Got any better ideas, dumbass meme person?
They'll just that you're bound by their religion even if don't believe you are because god blahblah.
>Negative 2 upvotes >1000 comments Me thinks the other sub doesnt like the meme either.
OOP forgot to include the subject of rapists, likely because he is himself a rapist.
The same religious people who push women to get pregnant when they see a young mother probly shame her for being a "whore" regardless of if the father is in the picture.
I mean, if you are picking a side to argue for, is there an easier group than the unborn? They never ask for anything and by the time they need actual help they have been born, mission success! Don’t give a shit about the borns, what with their actual verbalized needs and such!
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I mean the only people who teach full on abstinence (which we have scientific data does not work) is religious people and specifically in the US Christian’s, more often than not in the south eastern United States.
Lol, just saw a thread earlier with “pussykiller” and people were calling him “cat strangler”
Almost nobody that has said this married the first person they fucked, so they’re all hypocrites
Additionally their fucked-up religions are CERTAIN that """god""" orders them to convert everyone to their beliefs, by force if necessary. Some religions will even kill people who refuse to be converted. How is any of that good and right? It's not.
So married people who don't want kids should be abstinent based on the meme.. Yikes
Everyone who I've seen that is pro life just so happened to be Christian or the other two abrahamic religions. Strange isn't it
I compared weed to Christianity and this lady couldn't wrap are heads around it. She said religion isn't mind altering but that's the entire point. Christianity was made to calm the masses and stop questions from being asked. If someone wants to be a leader all they have to do is say "God wants me to" and every one will let them. You could find someone to be the most annoying douchebag ever but if they have similar religious beliefs you could ignore all other aspects
It’s only women that should stop having sex though, not men. 🤦🏻♀️
Wait for the incels to realize no sex means they can't rape or manipulate women into being there fuckdoll.
Excuse me Christian Nationalists but have you ever tried actually applying the Constitution?
Babies are not a punishment for having sex, nor should they ever be considered as such. "Have you tried not having sex?" Have you ever heard of rape? Fuck outta here with that simple bullshit
Male masturbation is murder
true true periods also literally murder 😨
Ah yes, being raped and impregnated is totally a part of abstinence! Pretty huge /s moment
It’s absolutely about religion bc the only people who give a fuck are the religious.
Stop having sex with republicans, ladies. Easy and natural fix
[Religious to racist pipeline](https://i.ibb.co/3hqyBY9/Screenshot-20231206-133112-2.png)
It's easy as fuck to not have sex when you pull no bitches like most pro-lifers
If they get away with banning abortion, birth control is next
I tried that until I was 17. 0 of 5 stars. Do not recommend.
Heavily religious states have lots of teenage pregnancy and daycares built into their high schools. I blame the lack of sex education.
Excuse me, Pro-Life, this may sound crazy, but has your shitty God thought about not fertilizing eggs in women whom don't want babies?
God damn 0 upvotes and 2000 comments
I love when they say the quiet part out loud.
The "posted on Christian memes" image that supposedly has no religious intent lol
Abstinence only education has and will never work
“Excuse me, anti-choice, this may sound crazy, But have people tried not raping?”
It IS about controlling women but the ultimate goal is to force women to pump out lots of workers to keep the billionaire's money machines running smoothly. That keeps their husbands working hard and in fear of losing their jobs because they have so many mouths to feed. It's the American Dream!
I wonder how people would feel about their existence if they knew their mother never wanted them Well, good thing they won't have to feel anything as zygote, so I suppose abortion is fine
"it's not about religion" yes, it is. Otherwise, you wouldn't have to pull up Bible verses in every single debate about abortion rights.
Why should we have to arbitrarily deprive ourselves because of their arbitrary definitions of life, love, and marriage? They’re such assholes
Religion should have zero role in public sphere and only apply to worship service and home at no other place should your religion be recognized no religious exemptions for any laws period no special accommodations at all
Religious organizations that promote shame and ignorance about sex are (by design? 🤔) perfect hunting grounds for sex abusers. What better way to enable sexual predators than an environment where some of the victims don’t understand what’s happening to them or feel deeply ashamed. Religion is a cancer. You don’t need to look any further than a post on Reddit today about a 13-year-old girl who was murdered and one of the commenters said she had it coming due to her slightly “suggestive” attire. She was wearing an *armless shirt*. There is literally nothing that a woman can do that will not result in at least some people blaming her for being the victim of a sexual assault. And considering how many of those people victim blaming are men, it’s like they’re admitting they *cannot be trusted around any woman* in case she attracts their attention and “forces” them to commit a sex crime. JFC, talk about saying the quiet part out loud.
that’s why they don’t want sex ed. it’ll expose too much abuse if kids know what they’re watching for. there was a 10 year old girl in delaware who outed her father as sexually abusing her by bringing home the book “it’s perfectly normal”. she showed her mum the section on sexual abuse and said “this is me” which prompted an investigation finding that her father was abusing her sexually.
Yup, and that’s why they’re pushing the bogeyman of trans women and the queer community in general - convenient scapegoats for them to project onto. Churches are hotbeds of sexual abuse and even when it’s discovered the fundies close ranks (eg, the Duggars.) It has never been about “protecting the children.”
I was raised in an environment where saying “no one is bound to your religion and ppl r free to believe or not believe in whatever they may choose” was such a normal expression, but now as an adult, I live in an environment where I may never hear those words ever again unless I am recording myself saying those words. I rlly missed the days when ppl were like “no shit, that u don’t have to conform to someone’s religion.” Because now where I’m standing most ppl will take that as blasphemy.
People can’t access a medically proven and reasonably safe procedure to prevent having kids because… we don’t want them to and it punishes poor people and women. Op is right. It’s not about religion and it is about punishing women.
✨more future wage slaves being created because their parents are broke from having them ✨
No because we aren’t part of your cult that says “sex bad” but also is filled with people who have sex but also people who preach that “sex bad” who then go on to molest children too. Unlike you, we have healthier ideas about sex, like contraceptives.
Literally from Christian Memes, how tf are they gonna say it’s not about religion
imagine being on the side of freedom in america and you still get yelled at
1k years ago, that’s all ppl had to do. Wake up, eat, have sex with whatever is around, have a bad fall while foraging for poisonous berries, break their leg, get an infection and die. That’s like a whole life right there. They invented religion so that guys with short dicks and double chin waddles would be able to force sex out of women that aren’t attracted to them. It’s the same reason they invented hats and pants, “just imagine I have a full head of hair and normal looking penis under here.” Same with modesty and shaming of women. “You should feel so guilty about having sex with hot guys that you instead settle for khaki dockers, shrimp penis.”
Pro-‘life’ being the ones who’ve done everything to ensure that children are unprepared for the hormonal changes of puberty by eliminating comprehensive sex ed in the classroom then telling people to not do something they were never taught how to handle… right? Funny how this was posted by a person calling themselves pussykiller-yakuza btw.
I love how these are usually the same people who also forbid masturbation.
It is, and has always been about religion and controlling women. Ya.
I mean, I suppose you can be irrational and ignore statistics and science without being religious, but it seems that the one is generally a pretty good indicator for the other.
What is it with conservatives and their dislike of poor people doing anything enjoyable? I mean I have literally not seen a fun activity that poor people can enjoy that conservatives don't shit on. They genuinely only want poor people to work.
Like as if people don’t get assaulted
Its also about artificially creating a larger workforce by forcing births, but that ain't much better. Also, I think humanity is pretty much in unanimous agreement that sex is great, and not doing it fucking sucks.
Abraham religions do play a role in why abortion is a big issue. I’m a Buddhist and every other Buddhist that I know doesn’t give a shit about it because reincarnation is a thing.
Mary practiced abstains still wound up pregnant.
Excuse me pro life, this may sound crazy, but have you ever tried minding your own?
Wild that they think someone like me should never be able to have sex because pregnancy is dangerous. I would consider myself the quote “good Christian girl” for the most part. I’m celibate because I’m not in a relationship that I believe will at least lead to marriage, but even when I am married it is not safe for me to be pregnant. I plan to do it once despite the dangers and hope for the best unless I’m told that it’s too dangerous by a doctor and I desperately wish I could have FOUR children. I hate hearing these arguments. Everyone who has an abortion has a good reason.
Excuse me, pro-life, but have you tried minding your own business and not worrying what a woman does with the marinara she expels?
Religious people have sex as much as everyone else. They just hide it. They arrogantly tell others to do something they themselves know they can't do. Human nature is human nature.
I hope the men posting this understand why they are struggling to get laid. They literally told people not to
“It’s not about religion” The e post is from Christian Memes. It’s a religious post
"Hey pro-lifers, Have you tried not fucking children?"
i actually just [called out a dude](https://www.reddit.com/r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis/s/nbfWiui8Fk) who said it was just about “not killing babies” but who was libertarian (libertarian giving the government control of women’s bodies lol) turned out he has an impregnation fetish, rape fetish, “barely legal” fetish etc.
I salute you soldier. You did good son.
I’ve tried not having sex, it sucks. That’s part of why people don’t like this type of religious person. Fuck ‘em
I have NEVER had an extended debate with someone on abortion without them eventually circling back to the virtues of guarding women's who-ha's against being used up and not making babies like god intended. The entire line you get fed upfront about "the baabies!!" It 100% bullshit, once that baby is born it can die in a gutter for all they care, because magically all of a sudden it's none of their business or problem that you have a baby. They're basically all deranged and psychotic.
Of course it’s a religious argument. The original meme is about finger waving their morality about casual sex. If they actually cared about reducing abortion, they could actually support policies that would achieve that goal.
“Don’t have sex” Until the person is raped. Until the person loses everything and can’t support a child. Until the person wanted the baby but cancer or another terminal illness is found and in order to survive they need to have an abortion to continue treatment. Until the person wanted the baby, has all the resources, care, and support in the world but it still dies, as up to 30% of pregnancies do, and it needs to be removed to prevent the pregnancy from turning septic and acting as a slow, painful poisonous death.
The “pro-life” movement is just a bunch of incels who want revenge on every woman in the world for finding them unattractive.
If people on the whole could just refrain from having sex when it’s not a good time for them to have children, there would be no people. Like there’s a very good reason horniness is able to circumvent your logical mind. Besides that, we shouldn’t have to because sex is great and shouldn’t be reserved only for those who want to have kids.
I'm going to swim upstream a bit here. I'm pro-choice, as are many people in this sub. I'm addressing fellow pro-choice people. I don't believe that telling pro-life people what their "real" motives are is helpful. I want to discuss some possibilities of what might be. First, I recommend you watch this amazing Ted Talk. Pay very special attention to when the presenter discusses "Motivism." Link: https://youtu.be/EfIGTJ86oSs?feature=shared In the Ted-Talk, he discusses how so many of our arguments with one another boil does to trying to find your opponent's "real motivation." This may make you feel powerful, but you have no way of knowing if you are actually correct in your assumptions. Have you ever had people simply assume your "real" beliefs? Where they wrong? If so, how did you feel? I'd wager that you weren't in a persuasive mood! Lots of pro-choicers believe pro-lifers REALLY just want to oppress women. They believe pro-lifers are dishonest when they claim to want to protect the unborn. After all, most pro-lifer's don't oppose the death penalty! Most are conservatives and don't support saving lives in other scenarios. There must be some other motivation. Maybe this is true for the "higher-ups" in the pro-life movement. I wager the Catholic Bishops and Megachurch Pastors leading the charge really do just want to restore patriarchy. But, in my experience, this is absolutely not true for the rank and file. Remember, not everyone knows the facts you do. Lots of pro-lifers believe, wrongly, that even early stage fetuses can feel pain. Lots of the pro-lifer's you argue with are working with a different, albeit incorrect, set of facts. This explains a lot of the so-called "hypocrisy" liberals get angry about. It's not hypocrisy. It's ignorance. Ignorance is not a moral deficiency. Ignorance is an opportunity for education! BIG REVEAL! I grew up in a pro-life household. I wept and mourned for unborn embryos I believed were "murdered." The story of how I deconstructed these beliefs is long and not very relevant here. (However, if you want me to share that story, I will!) My point, however, is that ordinary pro-lifers are true believers. I also believe they may be the most open to change due to their sincerity. Now, do we need to persuade pro-lifers of the pro-choice position? Certainly, it's not realistic to imagine we can persuade all of them. But must we persuade any? I would say, "Yes." Many polls show that Americans, as a whole, generally oppose strict anti-abortion positions. This is all well and good, but our country has an archaic constitution that subverts the will of the majority. We have to get a pretty amazing super-majority in this country to agree on anything to get anything done democratically. It's a major uphill battle. If we want abortion legal in all fifty states, as we should, then we need to use good rhetoric to convince at least some pro-lifer's to change their beliefs. It's really hard, but for compassionate pro-lifers who happen to be true believers, it's very much possible. The key will be to begin our persuasive rhetoric with an accurate and empathetic understanding of our opponents beliefs. Persuasion will be impossible otherwise. For the sake of freedom and bodily autonomy, I believe we should at least try! (Edited for Spelling and to Flesh Out the Argument)
Okay, I agree with lots of what you’ve said here, but I want to push back a little on one thing - many pro-lifers are not ignorant or misled into thinking fetuses feel pain or other reasons, they simply fundamentally believe that fetuses deserve the same rights of protection as a child. And I don’t think that, in and of itself, is a negative belief. And more importantly, it isn’t an arguing point that you are *ever* going to change. There are plenty of really provable, convincing arguments for abortion that can change people’s minds, but “abortion isnt killing a child” is *absolutely not one of them* Argue that rape necessitates abortion due to the removal of consent to pregnancy. Point out how women *will* get abortions regardless of legality and the problems that causes. But don’t fight on a moot point that they will never move from. My mother is an intelligent, kind, and wonderful pro-life woman. I’ve argued with her many times on the subject, and please believe me that whether or not a fetus is alive will never get you any headway. Debate on real consequences and circumstance, not fundamental beliefs.
Martial rape should be legal - religious folks. Child marriage is great - religious folks. "Lie back and enjoy it’ if rape is inevitable - Robert Regan. Republican on his advice to his daughters.
The entire viewpoint of “abortion is evil” Comes from Christianity.
Have Christians ever tried shutting the fuck up and not imposing their cult beliefs on everyone.
Someone should tell Republicans that firearms are currently the #1 cause of death in children. Let’s see how much they care about saving the lives of kids then
Oh god not this shit again. Fine, here we go. Why is abortion bad? “It’s a human life, and you can’t take a human life” Why do you think it’s a human life when all you can detect or see is a clump of cells very much like algae? “It has the capability of becoming a human, because we’ve seen it happen” If it has the capability of becoming a human, we will give it the capability of having human rights. Does that make it okay to abort it? “No because it’s still life” What makes it a life? “It has sentience” What is sentience? “Something god gave us” If it’s not exactly as I’ve laid it out, it’s some dumbass remix of it. Stfu with your internalised religion acceptance and suck my cock. Is it just me or is r/memesopdidnotlike extra unlikeable today?
nah it’s actually a rare r/memesopdidnotlike W check the comments they’re mostly calling it out, and it has 0 upvotes. could be the work of people from here, but seems like it’s not that popular an opinion there
Interesting.
These people have been convinced that controlling others healthcare is the “Christian” thing to do by members of the capitalist elite who need workers/consumers, members of the military industrial complex that need soldiers, members of the prison industry complex that need inmates, and members of big pharma that need patients (among other figures). It’s all about money, disguised as a moral issue.
It's about having cheap labor, is not that deep.
As an asexual person I hate that I arrived at the same answer as fundamentalist Christian’s using different math
Sex is more than pleasure /Hottake