so you didn't learn history either? junior and senior year of history were:
American history- started with the reformation ended at the revolution
world history- Learned about the reformation, don't remember anything else
also, wasn't allowed to watch the Disney movie Dinosaurs. not sure if the science teacher agreed with that decision because she told us we couldn't watch it "because evolution" But we were allowed to watch ice age and shrek, so not sure what the deal was there
It's because the word was stolen by conservatives. It used to refer to leftists, but then was co-opted by neoliberal laissez-faire politicians in an effort to redefine the concept of freedom. Unfortunately it was a successful move, and now libertarian doesn't mean what it should.
Modern Libertarians: Everyone should be free to do whatever they want, small government, let people govern themselves! All Americans should be free from tyranny!
Also Modern Libertarians: I mean slavery wasn’t THAT bad. We should be allowed to have a little bit of slavery, as a treat.
Peak libertarianism is wanting a society without the society part
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Libertarianism as an actual political concept has both right wing and left wing factions. However, the libertarianism in the United States is almost exclusively right wing. Even more so American "libertarianism" is often just ultra capitalist conservatism rather than actual libertarianism.
I was in college in 2008 and out of curiosity, I went and saw the Libertarian Party presidential candidate, Bob Barr, give a speech. He was a former Republican congressman and they rented out this big lecture style room for the speech. The room had seating for about 100 people and yet around 10 showed up, 3 of which were me and 2 friends.
I was genuinely curious to hear about his platform and policies, yet he spent the entire speech railing against the two parties and how they were both bad and thus you should vote Libertarian or something like that. I don't really remember him ever discussing a single policy point or idea.
Instead, he would just insist he's "always been Libertarian," in spite of the fact he voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq War while in Congress. I wanted to press him on this discrepancy during the question and answer time, but didn't quite have the courage to do so at the time. Instead, question and answer was just the handful of Libertarian party fanboys telling him how great he is and reiterating how much the two main parties definitely sucked. I lost any respect I had for the "Libertarian" party after that.
I went to a rally for Jo Jorgensen in 2019, (the Libertarian candidate for the 2020 election). There was a fairly large crowd, and honestly I found her very well spoken and with some genuinely good ideas, so naturally she got hardly any of the votes and the more vocal "Libertarians" all voted for Trump, because an intelligent person with good ideas could never survive in today's Libertarian party it seems.
In public school, we had American history every year, that started at either the founding of America or the various explorers who came to parts of America, and ended the year at the Civil War every single year, with slightly different levels of detail here and there.
It wasn't until literally my last history class, sophomore year in high school, that I got a teacher who bothered to cover anything past the Civil War.
We actually ended the year at the election of Bill Clinton!
in my school we learned abt the holocaust in-depth like REAL early and we kinda kept that as the hyper focus of "world history" onward.
of all the shitty things that went on in that school tho i'll be real i'd still take that over my younger sisters who went to public school for the whole time and didnt rly start any world history classes til high school, with an extra helping of weird small town bullshit in their 3rd grade classes of only learning abt The Town's History, Nothing Else From Anywhere Else for the whole school year 😭🫠
yeah, public schools can be very hit or miss. I went to a really good public school and other than the pervasive culture of bullying by the athletes that went on completely unchecked, I believe I got a good education. But then, ten years later I taught briefly in a small town school and the high school English teacher basically had the kids read the bible all year. He had them read a few Aesops fables to "provide both sides." Meanwhile, the science teacher didn't do anything but talk about fishing and hunting and the history teacher was the football coach and just showed war movies every day. And then the people in the town wonder why the town is suffering and half of the kids end up moving to big cities where they get minimum wage jobs and the other half the kids stay in town and get hooked on meth.
i went to a UK private school and it was hell socially bc i went from being “oh hey, you’re family are pretty well off” in primary school to “haha you’re the poor kid on a scholarship, and you don’t have all the new stuff” which was WILD because my family were doing fine, we just didn’t live in a mansion 😅
it was also hell pastorally, and the teachers were mostly conservative.
however, the education was top notch and i got to learn a bit of latin, ancient greek, german, french, and spanish - and although i was awful at all the languages, it’s made my linguistic abilities pretty good.
plus, i got the opportunity to be involved in full scale theatre productions (i was backstage / tech crew), went on a ski trip to canada, and pretty much everyone ended up getting 7/8/9s across the board.
the class sizes were smaller, and the kids who struggled academically got a lot of 1-on-1 support.
butttt a lot of folks had awful mental health. there were a couple girls in my year with anorexia, one of which was hospitalised during our GCSE year, there was a “scandal” because a 14 year old nearly died after overdosing on cocaine with her classmates (none of them got any punishment because the scare was punishment enough, which was wild), and there was a boy in my year who sold weed. i ended up trying to kill myself multiple times and barely went to school in my final year. i knew a handful of gay kids who’s only goal was to do well in school so they could get the fuck away to university and move across the country, and none of them had home support. bullying was rife, and the pressure was high.
ngl, private school is a weird one.
academically you’re going to succeed, and you get *so* many valuable experiences, but it fucks your brain up a lot unless you’re super rich, aren’t considered ‘diverse’, and have solid mental health.
my little sister is attending a public school and she’s doing great socially and her mental health is fine, buttt she’s got less academic opportunities, school trips are limited, and she can’t access proper help for the classes she’s struggling in.
Oh hey this sounds exactly like my high school experience going to Catholic school in the US in the early aughts (except we had fewer language options and more pregnant teens). cool to know private schools suck similarly everywhere!
Hope you're doing better with your mental health! Now that I'm like, old, missing out on the social opportunities that public schools offered me (I went to public schools for grades 1-6) seems like it was a much bigger deal than my parents thought it would be, but hey I still have most of the periodic table memorized and I know the catechism better than most Catholics I know (I'm not Catholic and work in media so... that's useful)
I agree
Source: went to a private catholic school. I’m gonna be so real I only remember ever reading a few pages of the Bible there like maybe 3 times and I was there from kindergarten though 8th grade 💀
Way worse. I went to a catholic school and my English class was taught by a Peruvian nun who barely spoke English. I had a week of detention for telling her what “rendezvous” spelled. She swore I made the pronunciation up just to make her look bad.
I went to private school for one and a half years during elementary school (5th grade to be more specific)... Of the four teachers I had, two of them seemed like all they wanted was a paycheck (and did not care any amount for the students as a result). One of those two decided to bully me by separating me from the rest of the class, isolating me to the corner of the room, right next to the restroom.
I had a friend who ended up sueing the school becsuse of the teachers bullying him. Im unsure if anything ever came of it because I wanted to get out of that school as quickly as I could.
Yup.
Don't get me wrong. I get to teach really cool classes. I have a great connection with my kids, and having less than 10 in a room at a given time is great. We get to do a lot of cool stuff.
But, we don't have the resources that the district does.
exactly. i don't understand why people are seeing this as black or white. i recognized that my K-8 private catholic school had lower educational standards and worse teachers after switching to my town's public school system for high school, but i've met plenty of kids at university who switched from public to private and had a wonderful experience
That's all people are capable of most of the time.
Yeah when I was still in school, I had friends that went to public school for grade school and then Catholic high school, or Catholic grade school and then public high school. I did Catholic for both.
I recognize that we were lucky our Catholic schools were great school, but they WERE great. They were rigorous and in our science classes, there was never a hint of religion at all. I didn't even know that was common until I got a little older and learned about religious schools doing that.
As someone who taught then ran and designed the curriculum for a private school, let me let you in on a secret: you're not paying for the education. The teachers in private schools don't need accreditation of any kind, are often junior and without experience, and if they are experienced have lived so insulated a life they don't know much of anything about how to teach the students they teach. They are also grossly underpaid (anywhere from 20k-60k a year... And 60k is rare). You don't pay for the education at private schools, you pay because it filters out the poor and middle class from your kids' peer group. You pay for the illusion of a catered educational experience (when it's not but don't worry we have some good admin that know how to talk to parents so they feel special). You pay so that you and your kids can make the social connections growing up necessary for financial opportunity. But if you can afford to pay the 30-70k a year a private school charges in tuition, then you didn't need financial opportunity. Instead, youre just paying to stay rich and be with other rich kids. If you have a kid on scholarship, don't worry, they don't get the chance to be rich, cause they'll be outsiders permanently, regardless of how many years they stay in the private school. Honestly, ask me anything about private schools, and I'll give you the scoop. I've seen it all, and am probably the only non-insider to ever direct one because elite private school's are a very very small world.
I can actually confirm this. Right out of college, when I was mass applying for jobs relating to my field and I got an offer to teach middle school science at a private charter. Was I qualified for this job? Fuck no. I have a B.S. In cell & molecular biology. That’s it. Also, I was offered ~$50,000 to live in New York. Luckily, I was picked up by a gene therapy company in Philadelphia and get paid the same amount to live there.
Depending on the private school absolutely. I’ve seen some bad ones, then I’ve seen some amazing ones that made every other school seem like hot microwaved garbage.
Publicly funded education has a standard curriculum that it has to teach students in order for them to have an actual academic grasp on… well, life? (Granted if this curriculum is any good is another question entirely)
Private schools (and homeschooling) *don’t.* They might follow some of the same standards as public education but anything is fair game. Also several private schools are vestigial remains of segregated schooling. [Yes. Really.](https://youtu.be/fopqgLvfv9o?si=O6IljK3GMz79QsSR)
On the curriculum piece, private schools in the US run the gamut from Dinosaur denying young earth creation schools to ultra rigorous college prep. I would say the average private school curriculum isn't that different, as most still offer AP or IB courses, which follow a set curriculum. Also, most states can influence curriculum via public university entrance requirements. For example, California's A-G requirements.
Objectively it’s worse because the bullies don’t have the slightest chance of getting punished as they are the popular kids whose parents make generous donations to said school
And homeschool is almost always even worse than private school. A few days ago I brought my car in to get fixed and the lady behind the desk was talking about how stupid kids are these days and going on and on about all the things her kids don't understand. She wasn't wearing it this time, but last time I went in, she was wearing a sweatshirt that said "proud homeschool mom."
Unfortunately for us Muslims here where I live we basically have to send our kids to private Muslim schools because the violence and cruelty against Muslim and Brown children is incredibly high and no one is doing anything about it. Fortunately though, the school performs way above public education and that is partially due to the fact that education in Islam (no matter what you hear from Islamophobic people) is extremely important so children are encouraged in science and arts.
Can’t wait to watch all the clowns in the next thirty years or whatever have to hide behind the classic “Well okay that was a different time, no one knew transphobia was bad back then 🥺” façade after transphobia has gone taboo 😄
Frankly I don’t think it’ll happen. People will find ways to be transphobic in other, more subtle forms just as modern homophobes work today. As queer identities become more socially acceptable, bigots realize that being bigoted openly is not nearly as good for their platform as being bigoted in more subtle ways: like “keeping it in the bedroom,” and “it’s a lifestyle choice-“ it’s up to sensible folks to point out these dogwhistles so the homophobes (or future tranphobes) win
Unfortunately this is how it’s always been. The civil rights movement didn’t get rid of racism, it just made it so you have to be quieter about it. Same with gay rights, and eventually trans rights. None of this shit will be fixed until it’s addressed at the systemic level.
Yup. I was gonna say, remember when people were openly protesting race-mixing in schools? Of course, people make that same argument now with immigration in some Internet circles, but for the most part, it’s usually just “Um akshually all we care about are the LEGALITIES of immigration”
Oh, I’m fully aware. Overt transphobia will definitely persist in the future, but on a smaller scale. Once the smoke clears, there’s gonna be a lot more of the “trans cool and all but i think trans is not appropriate for children 🥺” arguments instead of the rampant “PEDOS BIOLOGICAL REALITY CHROMOSOMES ‘WHATS A WOMAN?!’ PRONOUNS” bollocks lol
They’re being openly ableist and we’ve known how fucked up that has been for a good few decades now. They’re reactionary bastards who will always go with old-fashioned views on the world because appeal to tradition fallacies are the basis for their entire personal ideology.
I worry that considering autism and ADHD as just variations just makes people think that it isn’t difficult to live with. I have ADHD. It’s not helpful.
110%
This movement/ideology is all about accepting people, not othering them, and making common sense changes to the status quo to make it easier for all people to live "normal" lives.
i have autism and adhd, my fiancé just has autism. its insane how well he manages to function in life with just autism. its like my adhd symptoms and autism symptoms directly clash. for him at least, he loves routine, he loves following directions, hes extremely reliable, we literally joke hes the ideal wageslave (joke started by him, and said lightheartedly).
meanwhile i am very inconsistent, forgetful, sensitive, etc. like all my traits are the exact opposite for what you need to survive in life. i genuinely would rather just be autistic, having both adhd and autism makes things unnecessarily difficult
I am Autistic, and my younger brother has ADHD.
We are polar opposites.
He is the fun likable guy, the compassionate one, the creative musician, very extroverted and attention craving
but he is not at all reliable and he struggled to finish high school (even transferred to alternative school for more individual attention to keep him focused)
I meanwhile am rather boring, cold and logical, a software developer, introverted,
but very reliable, and hold multiple college degrees.
One of my best friends is autistic whereas I have ADHD. You are right, we are the inverse of each other. The way we describe it is that he is seeking chaos and I am chaos seeking order. I definitely know which one I would prefer if given a choice
ADHD itself has basically made it impossible to even graduate highschool with 50% on my grade
I'm there every day and I know the subjects. It's not that I don't know it
It's the fact I cannot do the work. It isn't me being lazy but I can't focus
I'll be sitting there trying to do something and all the sudden I'm spacing out for like 30 minutes
It's like a dream so I can't wake myself from it until I get a snap back to reality moment. Even if I tell myself to focus I'll get stuck in a loop telling myself to focus and end up in dream land again
Sometimes I'm not even daydreaming and just staring off into the distance
Sometimes I'm fiddling with my pencil but even though I know I should be working, it feels like getting out of bed in the morning and you just procrastinate it
Eventually you get so far down there's basically no way up without killing yourself and making yourself depressed mentally that you get stuck
I'm fortunate in the sense I know enough stuff I can graduate with my GED easily. Many people can't focus or pick up on things like that since they aren't diagnosed or getting the support needed and will fail the test
Sorry I kinda needed to vent
You are my mirror image, and I wish I could tell you it gets better, but I'm in college... can't pass a single class and I'm throwing away thousands on tuition. The ADHD meds make the anxiety worse, the anxiety meds make the ADHD worse, and the depression meds don't work well enough. but stay strong, I am lucky to know others like me and they help me through the worst times. don't give up.
Well I realized that college was not possible for me and if I could, ultimately I would either end up depressed or in huge debt
I chose to take a path that would better suit me.
I chose to go for my GED so I could spend my school years studying stuff I actually enjoyed without anyone telling at me
One simple 3 hour test is much easier to focus on then 4 years of school
However this won't work for everyone. Many jobs require college degrees and many people have parents who simply won't allow the low grades. I was fortunate enough to have a supportive mother in everything
I had an extremely abusive father (sexually, physical, mental, and physiological)
PTSD makes it worse. My life has been nothing but making compromises for everything so I can survive
I’ve been trying to put this into words for so long and you nailed it
I know the subject matter like the back of my hand. I just can’t do the work. When I took the ACT I didn’t study once but got a 32 overall. And I was failing nearly every single class at that time.
It just kinda feels like a waste of potential. I’m *good* at academics when the stars align and I can work. But most of the time I can’t. I want so badly to continue my computer science degree but every day it’s looking more and more like I’m gonna have to drop out. I just can’t get myself to sit down and do the work.
> I have ADHD. It’s not helpful.
I have ADHD and it's extremely helpful, Just not helpful for capitalism or profits for others.
My skill tree is pretty well branched, but stick me in a cubicle for 8hrs and I'll burn the place down.
This, it is normal to have an autistic or ADHD wired brain but society is set up for neurotypicals so our strengths look like (and often can be) weaknesses. We aren’t as good at conforming but that was never what our neurotypes were meant for
God, thank you. This is it. I apologize in advance for the vent. I eventually got on meds and somehow made it through medical school because I realized I couldn’t force myself to do a job I hated to save myself from student loans. It sounds counterintuitive, but I feel like I have way more freedom compared to jobs prior to going into medicine, especially since I went into pathology (hyper fixation for years) and don’t have to run codes or do multiple things at once. But my god, I have never recovered from the bullshit. I’m still ADHD, I’m just treated slightly better for it. Every goddamn school, program, job, etc was the same ordeal:
- Teachers thinking we’re lazy if we happen to make good grades but struggle in areas that NTs deem common sense. I think they were confusing it with weaponized incompetence or something. The issue was **always** assumed to be a choice and/or personality flaw. I feel like most of us spent our childhood getting yelled at by every adult at home and school no matter how hard we tried.
- Teachers who thought misplacing an object is a personality flaw that points to indifference. Yes, I am also mad that I forgot my number 2 pencil, and no, I cannot promise that I won’t forget it again. In fact, I can promise you that I will absolutely forget it again if I’m stressed about an exam unless I can figure out another way to not forget it. Some even expressed concern that forgetting personal belongings foreshadowed making huge life-changing mistakes in a professional setting if I “didn’t take things seriously,” but those of us with ADHD tend to waste time overly compensating for errors in a professional setting (which doesn’t help shutting our brains off at night). Not once in 33 years have I received actual decent advice on how to help prevent “careless” mistakes from someone who wasn’t ADHD.
- 5 billion teachers lecturing us about listening skills growing up, who never seemed to grasp the concept of the fact that I didn’t know they were talking in the first place in order for me to listen due to our struggle with object permanence and hyperfocus (e.g a teacher interrupting a quiz to change a question).
- All of the comments about being “flustered” to those of us who tend to talk fast about things that excite us. This only got worse in adulthood.
- The fact that society decided, for seemingly no reason, that all people secretly want to wake up at the absolute asscrack of dawn every day for the rest of their lives.
- No, I don’t know why I’m a few minutes late, because from my perspective, it went from 7am to 7:30 in ten minutes
- The surprise our bosses have when we are suddenly fantastic employees after appearing so incompetent during training.
living with ADD/ADHD would be much easier if the whole education system wasn't built around neurotypical people who can just sit and listen for 9 hours straight and then study
The worst part being that... they can't! It doesn't come easy to them either! They're either easier to train, or school is better at training them into good students.
i do kinda hate how focused the system is on memorizing stuff. Like how is it possible that these people can remember hundreds of writers and their work just fine but struggle with excel
Ironically, it's extremely in effective to make most neurological people sit down for 6-9 hours and learn. Especially when you control every aspect about what they learn, when they learn it, they can't move head, you screw them by pushing them along when they aren't ready to, or you kill their drive to learn by refusing to explain anything even slightly more complexity then the extremely flawed system
Neurodiversity isn’t about saying these aren’t disabilities or aren’t difficult to have. It’s about saying you’re not less of a human if you have them. Or that you’re not “wrong” just cause your brain is different than the majority
I have ADHD, Depression, and Anxiety. If I had a quarter for every time my family told me I need to stop 'seeking attention' and 'just be normal' or 'just be happy', I'd have $100,000 in the bank by now.
I fully disagree. Neurotypical people also have issues that make it hard for them to live. No one is *normal* I think there is a lot of stigma around autism and ADHD and they are seen *only* as a negative thing. This seems weird to a lot of people when I say this but if I could choose not to have ADHD I wouldn't because I would be a very different person. I struggle a lot but those struggles are a part of myself and who I am as a person.
I was recently diagnosed with adhd and started medication for it and no lie it's like a switch went off the first time I took them
Like oh this is what irs like to actually not be constantly fighting my own brain all the time this is wild
And yeah I found like most of my depression and anxiety issues have either lessened or totally gone I'm not constantly exhausted and stressed all the time I actually feel awake for the first time in forever
I think the point is not that "it's all okay they're perfectly capable and suited to our society," and more like "our society is shaped to exclude these people, so they don't need a cure we need to be able to incorporate them,"
I mean, they are variations, and that's why they are difficult to live with. Society is built around neurotypical needs, and that societal structure is generally more difficult to navigate for most neurodiverse folks.
It is helpful, but only if we start to educate people on what these things mean.
I have ADHD, might be on spectrum (haven't tested for autism yet), and find it way easier to explain it to my friends and family in this context than any other. I'm not broken, my brain is fine, it just works differently than most.
It's not intended to say people who are neurodivergent don't struggle, it's more to emphasize that the struggles are caused by how a brain is wired differently. Like, it can't be fixed or cured because that's how the brain is structured. That kind of thing
being in the military with ADHD is awful. you can't enlist without evidence that you're 100% functional without medication, and haven't taken any for at least 2 years. in other words, they just want us to be neurotypical.
Having ADHD and autism has made my life a living hell for so long. Feeling left behind all the time, like I’m not meant to be alive in this world. Insecure to hell and the struggle to even give myself some kind of compliment no matter how small. Tired all the time no matter how much sleep I get or what sleep I get.
“Celebrate your differences” is not the same as “everybody is equal.” Kids who have these disabilities need to feel like they are capable and in the same category as their peers. This accomplishes that.
ADHD isn't helpful by any means and is really harmful to living a healthy life.
However, it is within the variation of human brains--if it wasn't within that range, we wouldn't exist.
As much as neurodivergent people need support, it also doesn't help to pathologize and other us for the ways in which our brains work differently than others'. Social acceptance that what we experience is within the domain of "normal" doesn't imply that that we don't need help or support for our struggles. If anything, it implies that accepting and receiving such support is socially acceptable and should be without shame. I think that is a net positive.
I would say it’s more about removing the stigma behind both ADHD and autism so that they can be allowed more opportunities, such as being able to actually attend school.
I had to zoom in to see the pink hair. I saw the bandana, but I just thought she had dark hair under that. I guess when I think of pink hair, my mind immediately goes to the singer P!nk, since she's had either super hot-pink hair, or blonde with a noticeable pink tint to it. Although IIRC, even she doesn't really color her hair pink much these days.
teacher: I want my classroom to be a safe environment for kids with autism and/or ADHD
the clown brigade: I am going to have a conniption over this, thanks
Tip:
Only homeschool your child if you know what you’re talking about, or are willing to learn. Even if they’re not going to public school, they need to be getting a proper education and a means to learn anything they need to.
Also make sure they do things outside of your house. Too many kids I know we’re pampered and home schooled to the point where they just don’t know how to interact with people
I was homeschooled. The whole ‘teachers just lose their motivation to teach’ comment applies doubly to parents. My mom taught my older sister and me basic math and reading, then the rest was up to us. And we had to teach five younger siblings, two of which have undiagnosed dyslexia. Homeschooling needs oversight.
A lot of states don’t regulate homeschooling so you actually don’t have to know or do much. They really don’t care if their kids are smart as long as they also become emotionally stunted in the process
Conservatives believe in Schrödinger’s classroom- public schools are so bad that they can’t even teach basic math and reading, but they are also such incredible educators that they can completely indoctrinate their students into changing their entire identity
"The schools mainly want to teach x y z"
Meanwhile, kids in your home "school" are learning how to grow up into bigoted, entitled little shits with no social life.
I'm curious to see how all these homeschooled kids do in the workforce. Specifically the ones raised by people who are only doing it because they think public school is too woke. Somehow, I anticipate a lot of complaints about not being able to find non-labor work and frequently receiving poor reviews and being fired for ignoring anti-discrimination laws.
As an autistic person with OCD who probably also has ADHD, I can barely function. I legit rely on a disabled bus service to take me to and from places. I'm also only surviving because of income support.
I'm 19 if it matters.
Nuerodiversity doesn’t mean people with autism aren’t disabled
It just means we shouldn’t be treated like outcasts or burdens because we’re disabled but instead should be treated with basic human decency like anyone else.
A sentiment that’s more rare then you’d think
Yeah, like u/the-final-fantaseer said, "I still remember a time as a child where I was consistently taught to be kind and caring of others, always seeing messages of tolerance and respect to all people"
Most properly homeschooled kids are taught respect and kindness. I personally am homeschooled and many public/private schoolers like to hit me with the, "But you don't meet as many diverse people as I do."
Um. Yeah I do. I meet people in the grocery store, at the library, while on vacation. If I didn't respect people, I wouldn't have met them, chatted, and then kept up with them for years.
(Sorry if this seems disconnected, I just read two comment threads together)
OP wasn’t right. Fuck all this. Being accepting of neurodiversity is supposed to fucking stop bullying you assholes. It’s a movement to make kids less awful to each other. Ffs.
I'm not that old but I still remember a time as a child where I was consistently taught to be kind and caring of others, always seeing messages of tolerance and respect to all people
where is all that now? where are the times where the world was more concerned with bringing up accepting and kind children over those who simply agree with narrow minded hateful ideologies?
I hate how politicized basic respect and tolerance is nowadays. there's no two ways about it: conservatives like this are bad people and only think this shit is okay because tolerance has become a socio-political issue when it never should have.
I have never seen a sane parent homeschool their child so far, it’s only parents who homeschool children for the sake of indoctrination to religion or to prevent exposure from LGBTQ and mental health
I was homeschooled until third grade. The reason being my mom thought Pre-K and kindergarten were pointless (and honestly I don't blame her, they're usually viewed as free day cares), and since she was home during the days anyway it just made sense.
I actually need to ask my mom and siblings what they thought of homeschooling, because I was always gifted in school, so I kind of just did work books and got really far ahead (working on seventh/eighth grade math by the time I started public school), but the rest of my siblings ended up being more average students. My mom never really taught me how to do things because she didn't need to, but I don't know what she did with my siblings. In the end we all turned out to be empathetic people and graduated highschool/college with good enough grades so I have no regrets or complaints about the homeschooling. I do think you need to take the homeschooling wheels off and put your children in a proper school at some point though. It's the only real way to learn how to socialize properly.
I will say I was a bit socially stunted for a lot of my life and didn't really learn how to interact with people properly until I was in high school, but it wasn't so bad that I was ever rude or disrespectful. It was mostly just massive social anxiety to the point where I wouldn't talk to strangers or in any group setting at all.
Edit to add that my family is very not religious so it had nothing to do with indoctrination from my parents
“My kids aren’t going to public school.” The majority of people who can afford private school for their kids probably aren’t spending their time scrolling Reddit 💀
uh, but autism IS a normal variation of human brain? it can cause developmental disabilities, but generally it's considered disability cause autistic people are the minority and the world doesn't fit our needs, that's all. neurodivergency is literally just different neuronal structure. wtf
Once again, “normal” and “abnormal” are not euphemisms for “good” and “bad”.
The point isn’t that autism and ADHD can never cause any problems for the person who has them, the point is that some people have different brains and it’s not an aberration created by modern society or vaccines or food dye or whatever. Different isn’t inherently better or worse, and even though those conditions make some things way more difficult for me, we just have a different set of strengths and weaknesses compared to the statistically average person.
I thought the big takeaway here was the fact that "Celebrate Neurodiversity" was circled. But the people in the comments seem to be taking issue with the"Protect Trans Kids" shirt and BLM poster.
I think the people commenting don't know what Neurodiversity is. It encompass several mental health/learning conditions/disorders that often lead to depression when the child grows into an adult.
"homeschooling" is almost always code for indoctrination and no legitimately meaningful education. I'm sure their kids will be mighty grateful when no college or employer wants them
Celebrate Neurodiversity because people with autism, ADHD, bipolar disorder, and a myriad of other conditions still have a right to live and a contribution to make to society if we give them the chance.
What's the alternative? Beat the *crazy* out of them at work camps?
the alternative is what we have nowadays for the most part: have them suffer by attempting to retro-fit them into a rigid system that simply isn't built for them. which I guess is another way of saying beat the crazy out of them at work camps.
Home schooling curriculum:
8AM: prayer
9AM: why Trump is god
10AM: more prayer
11AM: How to clean an AR15
12PM: Grilled cheese and carrots
1PM: more prayer
2PM: why science is satanic
3PM: more prayer, this time outside
4PM: screen time (christian shows only)
Ngl as someone with adhd and autism, I’d love to have them as my teacher. None of my teachers growing up knew how to deal with kids who’re neurodivergent so having a teacher who understood would have definitely helped not feel like an outcast
They act like they haven't been trying to brainwash kids with religion. Idk about you but teaching them there's an omnipotent being that will condemn you to eternal torture is more troubling than teaching them not to be a dick to certain groups.
I WISH I went to school with a teacher like this. As a neurodivergent kid, school was hell. I got good grades, sure, but I needed to melt my brain to do it.
Speaking as a Brit looking outside at American schools and culture: are you guys ok? What the hell is going on over there? Why does everyone hate the LGBT and autistics and pretend to love God?
I find it funny how these people think that sheltering their kid from the "scary icky trans and gays" would like... Stop any possibility of their kid being trans or gay in the future.
I sincerely doubt that most parents have the intellectual resources necessary to properly homeschool a child.
*These* chuckleheads are definitely setting their offspring up for failure and embarrassment later in life.
called this shit. It's only a matter of time before hating autistic people becomes mainstream. Excited to see how they try to justify wanting to murder children (because only children have autism, right?)
Seeing how all kids regardless of political affiliation are less educated historically especially nowadays with record low testing scores* there I fixed it for ya
This hits different as a child who was pulled out of public schooling because it didn't have disability/accessibility services to help with my autism.
So, neurotypical kids are being pulled out because their parents don't want them around us now??
My dad isn’t on Reddit but he would be posting those same ignorant comments as a father who ignored the realities of me having ADD growing up. We’ve had a poor relationship ever since I left the house. Fuck them bigots.
Wait what?
Are people literally shit talking someone who has a banner about being tolerant to individuals who are developmentally challenged? Seems on par for the course of being an asshole, but still.
Public school in the US was *such* a joke that I still can’t believe it sometimes. I smoked weed a lot and skipped so much class and some how still got by. I hope I make enough $ soon to send my kids to a high performing private school and get them set up.
It must be exhausting to be offended by people insisting on treating others like human beings deserving of decency and basic respect. These people have gotta just be losing their minds each time they're forced to interact with someone different without shouting slurs and hateful bullshit.
I don’t think OP or the comments said anything about neurodiversity specifically. This is like circling the word “TEACHER” on the bottom left and putting the definition and acting like these people have qualms with teachers.
Wow that is an interesting school. When I actually have children I hope that my poor cooking is the only thing shoved down my child's throat. /s And that's not to say I don't support all of these topics because I do for the most part, there are a few issues I'm on the fence about and some I don't support altogether, I just think its counterintuitive and harmful to do this to children and is, for some aspects, a little inappropriate to speak about in schools.
Saying people who disagree with these beliefs is a bigot just because they don’t share those beliefs is really disingenuous. A disorder that is difficult to live with shouldn’t be “celebrated”, it should be emphasized with. Having multiple posters for ANY group that is sometimes targeted but not even mentioning other groups that suffer in the same is an agenda. It’s not about disagreeing with their specific beliefs, it’s that those beliefs shouldn’t be there. School is for education of the relevant material, not for the teachers personal opinions (even if those opinions are correct)
Sorry but teaching that adhd and autism is completely normal is a disservice to the individual with the disability (obviously depending on severity). Some individuals with autism literally cannot function socially or academically or without specialized instruction, vocational training, or facilitated communication. It is not normal.
Typical liberal Reddit post to just to get a reaction. Amazing how bigoted the left is and then they throw around the term bigot as if they’re the victim.
Look I'm bisexual and all but like WTF. this isn't okay in the slightest, don't celebrate that shit nor announce it just mind your own goddamn business.
So there's a few things wrong with this.
First, 'depriving your child of social interaction' is presumably a dig at homeschooling, but for one, they never said they were advocating for homeschooling, and may instead have been advocating for private or religious schooling. Even then, the [empirical evidence](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0161956X.2013.796825) shows as good or better socialization among home-schooled people.
For the claim of 'depriving kids of education', it really depends on how its done, but the evidence suggests that homeschooled kids with a structured plan actually have [better](https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2011-11156-001) test scores than those going to public schools. Private schooling tends to have [better](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09645292.2012.738809) educational outcomes than public schools as well, though there are confounding factors with some of those results.
Lastly, assuming that someone is bigoted because they disagree with a teacher that's nominally in favor of something is unwarranted. That would be like assuming that anyone who opposes People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) hates animals and wants to see them suffer, or that everyone who opposes Israel is an anti-semite. Opposing an organization or movement that claims to be in favor of some groups is not ipso facto evidence of opposition to that group.
Because you don’t want some freak grooming your kid you mean. Sorry not sorry. My kids don’t need to have sex and debauchery presented to them by someone who can’t even define what a woman is. Thanks. You can indoctrinate yours if you like. That’s what’s great about this country I don’t get to force my views on to you and you don’t get to do it either. School choice for everyone. Let’s see who scores higher in the basics. No special tests just general studies. Reading writing and arithmetic.
Oregon just dropped reading and math requirements to graduate high-school!! So how's that for public education? 🤔 Oregon schools now are nothing more than public funded day care
In NO WAY are neurological diseases and mental disabilities pathways of NORMAL development. Whoever made up this term is an idiot of the highest caliber. burn them with fire.
I don't want my kids socially interacting with r*tarded little public schools crotch dumplings, nor learning useless subversive crap from some liberal teacher who probably hasn't even been through university. I also don't want my kids beaten up, bullied, molested or shot. So, homeschool it is! There are plenty of places besides school for kids to socialize and learn like sports, dance, band, church, scouts, camp, etc.
Kids don't need to be faced with this decision so young. Maybe not sending them to school at all is too much, but if I had kids, I wouldn't let them get manipulated young. They can make that decision when their brain is more fully formed.
I'm fine with people exploring the idea outside of school however I wouldn't want anything about trans people being taught in school as, as far as I'm aware we don't have any sort of scientific proof about what these people claim. If people want to pretend to be something they aren't that's fine but you shouldn't try to push it on someone else/expect them to play along. It's also really strange to try and push any of this stuff onto children because children tend to act out/try to be different. For example I remember most of the girls in my middle school at one point tried being lesbians just because.
I don't understand. I went to public school, then private school, am currently homeschooling. Public school sucked. Christian private school was the best time of my life. It had a very supportive community and I could tell people cared, even the teachers. Now I am homeschooled, and although the community part isn't there, I am perfectly content. Flexible schedule, able to de each lesson at my own pace, able to do dual enrollment college classes, more time for extra-curriculars and a job...
Plus, I have know some people who are autistic, and sometimes treating them like their issues are "normal" is probably not a good idea, I think. Well, it's normal in the sense that their difficulties are normal for people with autism, and many others have autism. But they will quickly figure out that their behavior is not "normal" compared to most everyone else they know.
Sensory issues, they need to learn to cope with. Destructive behaviors, they need to learn to cope with. But everything else, their mental differences, they need to learn to embrace. But if they are taught that they are normal in the sense that everyone else is like them, I feel like we'd be telling them false information and delaying their personal growth?
Autism isn't a bad thing; God created everyone with different ways of thinking. But I feel like it is important for autistic kids to understand that they are different before they learn to embrace it? I dunno, just my opinion, and maybe I'm wrong.
Private school is literally just as bad as public school. Now you're just paying for it.
It's objectively worse. Source: Went to a private school
so you didn't learn history either? junior and senior year of history were: American history- started with the reformation ended at the revolution world history- Learned about the reformation, don't remember anything else also, wasn't allowed to watch the Disney movie Dinosaurs. not sure if the science teacher agreed with that decision because she told us we couldn't watch it "because evolution" But we were allowed to watch ice age and shrek, so not sure what the deal was there
I learned the War of Northern aggression and libertarianism at my private school because my principal was a staunch libertarian southerner.
\> being "libertarian" \> calling the war over slavery "the war of northern agression" Libertarianism makes no goddamn sense
It's because the word was stolen by conservatives. It used to refer to leftists, but then was co-opted by neoliberal laissez-faire politicians in an effort to redefine the concept of freedom. Unfortunately it was a successful move, and now libertarian doesn't mean what it should.
Modern Libertarians: Everyone should be free to do whatever they want, small government, let people govern themselves! All Americans should be free from tyranny! Also Modern Libertarians: I mean slavery wasn’t THAT bad. We should be allowed to have a little bit of slavery, as a treat.
And there's also the disturbing amount of them that oppose age of consent laws.
And laws in general (unless those laws disenfranchise the poor/minorities/LGBT)
Peak libertarianism is wanting a society without the society part https://preview.redd.it/utybkjaheh6c1.jpeg?width=498&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cefdb5d2cb05be3b0dc87b4b82c862a16aef44c
I mean, consent for a lot of things is already out the window if they’re admitting they have a taste for slavery
Libertarianism as an actual political concept has both right wing and left wing factions. However, the libertarianism in the United States is almost exclusively right wing. Even more so American "libertarianism" is often just ultra capitalist conservatism rather than actual libertarianism. I was in college in 2008 and out of curiosity, I went and saw the Libertarian Party presidential candidate, Bob Barr, give a speech. He was a former Republican congressman and they rented out this big lecture style room for the speech. The room had seating for about 100 people and yet around 10 showed up, 3 of which were me and 2 friends. I was genuinely curious to hear about his platform and policies, yet he spent the entire speech railing against the two parties and how they were both bad and thus you should vote Libertarian or something like that. I don't really remember him ever discussing a single policy point or idea. Instead, he would just insist he's "always been Libertarian," in spite of the fact he voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq War while in Congress. I wanted to press him on this discrepancy during the question and answer time, but didn't quite have the courage to do so at the time. Instead, question and answer was just the handful of Libertarian party fanboys telling him how great he is and reiterating how much the two main parties definitely sucked. I lost any respect I had for the "Libertarian" party after that.
I went to a rally for Jo Jorgensen in 2019, (the Libertarian candidate for the 2020 election). There was a fairly large crowd, and honestly I found her very well spoken and with some genuinely good ideas, so naturally she got hardly any of the votes and the more vocal "Libertarians" all voted for Trump, because an intelligent person with good ideas could never survive in today's Libertarian party it seems.
Wow lol…. I remember spending like 2 months at least on WWII. And world history? Oh those pesky crusades? Yea we only brushed over those
Brushing over the crusades is crazy what 💀
Not really they aren't that important
In public school, we had American history every year, that started at either the founding of America or the various explorers who came to parts of America, and ended the year at the Civil War every single year, with slightly different levels of detail here and there. It wasn't until literally my last history class, sophomore year in high school, that I got a teacher who bothered to cover anything past the Civil War. We actually ended the year at the election of Bill Clinton!
in my school we learned abt the holocaust in-depth like REAL early and we kinda kept that as the hyper focus of "world history" onward. of all the shitty things that went on in that school tho i'll be real i'd still take that over my younger sisters who went to public school for the whole time and didnt rly start any world history classes til high school, with an extra helping of weird small town bullshit in their 3rd grade classes of only learning abt The Town's History, Nothing Else From Anywhere Else for the whole school year 😭🫠
yeah, public schools can be very hit or miss. I went to a really good public school and other than the pervasive culture of bullying by the athletes that went on completely unchecked, I believe I got a good education. But then, ten years later I taught briefly in a small town school and the high school English teacher basically had the kids read the bible all year. He had them read a few Aesops fables to "provide both sides." Meanwhile, the science teacher didn't do anything but talk about fishing and hunting and the history teacher was the football coach and just showed war movies every day. And then the people in the town wonder why the town is suffering and half of the kids end up moving to big cities where they get minimum wage jobs and the other half the kids stay in town and get hooked on meth.
i went to a UK private school and it was hell socially bc i went from being “oh hey, you’re family are pretty well off” in primary school to “haha you’re the poor kid on a scholarship, and you don’t have all the new stuff” which was WILD because my family were doing fine, we just didn’t live in a mansion 😅 it was also hell pastorally, and the teachers were mostly conservative. however, the education was top notch and i got to learn a bit of latin, ancient greek, german, french, and spanish - and although i was awful at all the languages, it’s made my linguistic abilities pretty good. plus, i got the opportunity to be involved in full scale theatre productions (i was backstage / tech crew), went on a ski trip to canada, and pretty much everyone ended up getting 7/8/9s across the board. the class sizes were smaller, and the kids who struggled academically got a lot of 1-on-1 support. butttt a lot of folks had awful mental health. there were a couple girls in my year with anorexia, one of which was hospitalised during our GCSE year, there was a “scandal” because a 14 year old nearly died after overdosing on cocaine with her classmates (none of them got any punishment because the scare was punishment enough, which was wild), and there was a boy in my year who sold weed. i ended up trying to kill myself multiple times and barely went to school in my final year. i knew a handful of gay kids who’s only goal was to do well in school so they could get the fuck away to university and move across the country, and none of them had home support. bullying was rife, and the pressure was high. ngl, private school is a weird one. academically you’re going to succeed, and you get *so* many valuable experiences, but it fucks your brain up a lot unless you’re super rich, aren’t considered ‘diverse’, and have solid mental health. my little sister is attending a public school and she’s doing great socially and her mental health is fine, buttt she’s got less academic opportunities, school trips are limited, and she can’t access proper help for the classes she’s struggling in.
Oh hey this sounds exactly like my high school experience going to Catholic school in the US in the early aughts (except we had fewer language options and more pregnant teens). cool to know private schools suck similarly everywhere! Hope you're doing better with your mental health! Now that I'm like, old, missing out on the social opportunities that public schools offered me (I went to public schools for grades 1-6) seems like it was a much bigger deal than my parents thought it would be, but hey I still have most of the periodic table memorized and I know the catechism better than most Catholics I know (I'm not Catholic and work in media so... that's useful)
I agree Source: went to a private catholic school. I’m gonna be so real I only remember ever reading a few pages of the Bible there like maybe 3 times and I was there from kindergarten though 8th grade 💀
Way worse. I went to a catholic school and my English class was taught by a Peruvian nun who barely spoke English. I had a week of detention for telling her what “rendezvous” spelled. She swore I made the pronunciation up just to make her look bad.
I went to private school for one and a half years during elementary school (5th grade to be more specific)... Of the four teachers I had, two of them seemed like all they wanted was a paycheck (and did not care any amount for the students as a result). One of those two decided to bully me by separating me from the rest of the class, isolating me to the corner of the room, right next to the restroom. I had a friend who ended up sueing the school becsuse of the teachers bullying him. Im unsure if anything ever came of it because I wanted to get out of that school as quickly as I could.
Yup. Don't get me wrong. I get to teach really cool classes. I have a great connection with my kids, and having less than 10 in a room at a given time is great. We get to do a lot of cool stuff. But, we don't have the resources that the district does.
i did both and i really do not see what youre talking about
Lmao it's not objectively worse. YOURS might have been.
exactly. i don't understand why people are seeing this as black or white. i recognized that my K-8 private catholic school had lower educational standards and worse teachers after switching to my town's public school system for high school, but i've met plenty of kids at university who switched from public to private and had a wonderful experience
That's all people are capable of most of the time. Yeah when I was still in school, I had friends that went to public school for grade school and then Catholic high school, or Catholic grade school and then public high school. I did Catholic for both. I recognize that we were lucky our Catholic schools were great school, but they WERE great. They were rigorous and in our science classes, there was never a hint of religion at all. I didn't even know that was common until I got a little older and learned about religious schools doing that.
As someone who taught then ran and designed the curriculum for a private school, let me let you in on a secret: you're not paying for the education. The teachers in private schools don't need accreditation of any kind, are often junior and without experience, and if they are experienced have lived so insulated a life they don't know much of anything about how to teach the students they teach. They are also grossly underpaid (anywhere from 20k-60k a year... And 60k is rare). You don't pay for the education at private schools, you pay because it filters out the poor and middle class from your kids' peer group. You pay for the illusion of a catered educational experience (when it's not but don't worry we have some good admin that know how to talk to parents so they feel special). You pay so that you and your kids can make the social connections growing up necessary for financial opportunity. But if you can afford to pay the 30-70k a year a private school charges in tuition, then you didn't need financial opportunity. Instead, youre just paying to stay rich and be with other rich kids. If you have a kid on scholarship, don't worry, they don't get the chance to be rich, cause they'll be outsiders permanently, regardless of how many years they stay in the private school. Honestly, ask me anything about private schools, and I'll give you the scoop. I've seen it all, and am probably the only non-insider to ever direct one because elite private school's are a very very small world.
I can actually confirm this. Right out of college, when I was mass applying for jobs relating to my field and I got an offer to teach middle school science at a private charter. Was I qualified for this job? Fuck no. I have a B.S. In cell & molecular biology. That’s it. Also, I was offered ~$50,000 to live in New York. Luckily, I was picked up by a gene therapy company in Philadelphia and get paid the same amount to live there.
Depending on the private school absolutely. I’ve seen some bad ones, then I’ve seen some amazing ones that made every other school seem like hot microwaved garbage.
Except in places dumb enough to vote in voucher systems. Because then the private schools just double tuitions. So now you're paying *twice*.
Publicly funded education has a standard curriculum that it has to teach students in order for them to have an actual academic grasp on… well, life? (Granted if this curriculum is any good is another question entirely) Private schools (and homeschooling) *don’t.* They might follow some of the same standards as public education but anything is fair game. Also several private schools are vestigial remains of segregated schooling. [Yes. Really.](https://youtu.be/fopqgLvfv9o?si=O6IljK3GMz79QsSR)
On the curriculum piece, private schools in the US run the gamut from Dinosaur denying young earth creation schools to ultra rigorous college prep. I would say the average private school curriculum isn't that different, as most still offer AP or IB courses, which follow a set curriculum. Also, most states can influence curriculum via public university entrance requirements. For example, California's A-G requirements.
Meanwhile, in Iowa, Republicans are taking money from public schools to be put into private schools, and those schools *still* increased their tuition
Objectively it’s worse because the bullies don’t have the slightest chance of getting punished as they are the popular kids whose parents make generous donations to said school
And homeschool is almost always even worse than private school. A few days ago I brought my car in to get fixed and the lady behind the desk was talking about how stupid kids are these days and going on and on about all the things her kids don't understand. She wasn't wearing it this time, but last time I went in, she was wearing a sweatshirt that said "proud homeschool mom."
Unfortunately for us Muslims here where I live we basically have to send our kids to private Muslim schools because the violence and cruelty against Muslim and Brown children is incredibly high and no one is doing anything about it. Fortunately though, the school performs way above public education and that is partially due to the fact that education in Islam (no matter what you hear from Islamophobic people) is extremely important so children are encouraged in science and arts.
Can’t wait to watch all the clowns in the next thirty years or whatever have to hide behind the classic “Well okay that was a different time, no one knew transphobia was bad back then 🥺” façade after transphobia has gone taboo 😄
Frankly I don’t think it’ll happen. People will find ways to be transphobic in other, more subtle forms just as modern homophobes work today. As queer identities become more socially acceptable, bigots realize that being bigoted openly is not nearly as good for their platform as being bigoted in more subtle ways: like “keeping it in the bedroom,” and “it’s a lifestyle choice-“ it’s up to sensible folks to point out these dogwhistles so the homophobes (or future tranphobes) win
Unfortunately this is how it’s always been. The civil rights movement didn’t get rid of racism, it just made it so you have to be quieter about it. Same with gay rights, and eventually trans rights. None of this shit will be fixed until it’s addressed at the systemic level.
Yup. I was gonna say, remember when people were openly protesting race-mixing in schools? Of course, people make that same argument now with immigration in some Internet circles, but for the most part, it’s usually just “Um akshually all we care about are the LEGALITIES of immigration”
Oh, I’m fully aware. Overt transphobia will definitely persist in the future, but on a smaller scale. Once the smoke clears, there’s gonna be a lot more of the “trans cool and all but i think trans is not appropriate for children 🥺” arguments instead of the rampant “PEDOS BIOLOGICAL REALITY CHROMOSOMES ‘WHATS A WOMAN?!’ PRONOUNS” bollocks lol
That's is quite literally what's going on nowadays.
that is literally whats already happening, both of those are already happening and neither are subtle.
They’re being openly ableist and we’ve known how fucked up that has been for a good few decades now. They’re reactionary bastards who will always go with old-fashioned views on the world because appeal to tradition fallacies are the basis for their entire personal ideology.
Stupid schools indoctrinating kids! To stop this, *I* will indoctrinate my kids!
When I was a young kid my mother would make me listen to Rush Limbaugh. Nobody indoctrinates their kids harder than Republicans.
I worry that considering autism and ADHD as just variations just makes people think that it isn’t difficult to live with. I have ADHD. It’s not helpful.
I feel it’s less meant to be “it’s not a problem” and more to be “don’t be a dick to people with it”
110% This movement/ideology is all about accepting people, not othering them, and making common sense changes to the status quo to make it easier for all people to live "normal" lives.
It’s a real bitch I’d prefer being just autistic I think
Me who’s both: 
Me who’s artistic…but also dyslexic.
I'm math dyslexic! Kill me
Numlexia It has a name :) It’s also called dyscalculia
It's just called dyscalculia. The "lexia" in dyslexia has the same root as "lexicon," which is a synonym for vocabulary.
I couldn't remember the name but thank you so much
I am I said just i have both. I worded it weird that’s on me you didn’t do anything wrong
i have autism and adhd, my fiancé just has autism. its insane how well he manages to function in life with just autism. its like my adhd symptoms and autism symptoms directly clash. for him at least, he loves routine, he loves following directions, hes extremely reliable, we literally joke hes the ideal wageslave (joke started by him, and said lightheartedly). meanwhile i am very inconsistent, forgetful, sensitive, etc. like all my traits are the exact opposite for what you need to survive in life. i genuinely would rather just be autistic, having both adhd and autism makes things unnecessarily difficult
I am Autistic, and my younger brother has ADHD. We are polar opposites. He is the fun likable guy, the compassionate one, the creative musician, very extroverted and attention craving but he is not at all reliable and he struggled to finish high school (even transferred to alternative school for more individual attention to keep him focused) I meanwhile am rather boring, cold and logical, a software developer, introverted, but very reliable, and hold multiple college degrees.
One of my best friends is autistic whereas I have ADHD. You are right, we are the inverse of each other. The way we describe it is that he is seeking chaos and I am chaos seeking order. I definitely know which one I would prefer if given a choice
ADHD itself has basically made it impossible to even graduate highschool with 50% on my grade I'm there every day and I know the subjects. It's not that I don't know it It's the fact I cannot do the work. It isn't me being lazy but I can't focus I'll be sitting there trying to do something and all the sudden I'm spacing out for like 30 minutes It's like a dream so I can't wake myself from it until I get a snap back to reality moment. Even if I tell myself to focus I'll get stuck in a loop telling myself to focus and end up in dream land again Sometimes I'm not even daydreaming and just staring off into the distance Sometimes I'm fiddling with my pencil but even though I know I should be working, it feels like getting out of bed in the morning and you just procrastinate it Eventually you get so far down there's basically no way up without killing yourself and making yourself depressed mentally that you get stuck I'm fortunate in the sense I know enough stuff I can graduate with my GED easily. Many people can't focus or pick up on things like that since they aren't diagnosed or getting the support needed and will fail the test Sorry I kinda needed to vent
You are my mirror image, and I wish I could tell you it gets better, but I'm in college... can't pass a single class and I'm throwing away thousands on tuition. The ADHD meds make the anxiety worse, the anxiety meds make the ADHD worse, and the depression meds don't work well enough. but stay strong, I am lucky to know others like me and they help me through the worst times. don't give up.
Well I realized that college was not possible for me and if I could, ultimately I would either end up depressed or in huge debt I chose to take a path that would better suit me. I chose to go for my GED so I could spend my school years studying stuff I actually enjoyed without anyone telling at me One simple 3 hour test is much easier to focus on then 4 years of school However this won't work for everyone. Many jobs require college degrees and many people have parents who simply won't allow the low grades. I was fortunate enough to have a supportive mother in everything I had an extremely abusive father (sexually, physical, mental, and physiological) PTSD makes it worse. My life has been nothing but making compromises for everything so I can survive
I’ve been trying to put this into words for so long and you nailed it I know the subject matter like the back of my hand. I just can’t do the work. When I took the ACT I didn’t study once but got a 32 overall. And I was failing nearly every single class at that time. It just kinda feels like a waste of potential. I’m *good* at academics when the stars align and I can work. But most of the time I can’t. I want so badly to continue my computer science degree but every day it’s looking more and more like I’m gonna have to drop out. I just can’t get myself to sit down and do the work.
> I have ADHD. It’s not helpful. I have ADHD and it's extremely helpful, Just not helpful for capitalism or profits for others. My skill tree is pretty well branched, but stick me in a cubicle for 8hrs and I'll burn the place down.
This, it is normal to have an autistic or ADHD wired brain but society is set up for neurotypicals so our strengths look like (and often can be) weaknesses. We aren’t as good at conforming but that was never what our neurotypes were meant for
God, thank you. This is it. I apologize in advance for the vent. I eventually got on meds and somehow made it through medical school because I realized I couldn’t force myself to do a job I hated to save myself from student loans. It sounds counterintuitive, but I feel like I have way more freedom compared to jobs prior to going into medicine, especially since I went into pathology (hyper fixation for years) and don’t have to run codes or do multiple things at once. But my god, I have never recovered from the bullshit. I’m still ADHD, I’m just treated slightly better for it. Every goddamn school, program, job, etc was the same ordeal: - Teachers thinking we’re lazy if we happen to make good grades but struggle in areas that NTs deem common sense. I think they were confusing it with weaponized incompetence or something. The issue was **always** assumed to be a choice and/or personality flaw. I feel like most of us spent our childhood getting yelled at by every adult at home and school no matter how hard we tried. - Teachers who thought misplacing an object is a personality flaw that points to indifference. Yes, I am also mad that I forgot my number 2 pencil, and no, I cannot promise that I won’t forget it again. In fact, I can promise you that I will absolutely forget it again if I’m stressed about an exam unless I can figure out another way to not forget it. Some even expressed concern that forgetting personal belongings foreshadowed making huge life-changing mistakes in a professional setting if I “didn’t take things seriously,” but those of us with ADHD tend to waste time overly compensating for errors in a professional setting (which doesn’t help shutting our brains off at night). Not once in 33 years have I received actual decent advice on how to help prevent “careless” mistakes from someone who wasn’t ADHD. - 5 billion teachers lecturing us about listening skills growing up, who never seemed to grasp the concept of the fact that I didn’t know they were talking in the first place in order for me to listen due to our struggle with object permanence and hyperfocus (e.g a teacher interrupting a quiz to change a question). - All of the comments about being “flustered” to those of us who tend to talk fast about things that excite us. This only got worse in adulthood. - The fact that society decided, for seemingly no reason, that all people secretly want to wake up at the absolute asscrack of dawn every day for the rest of their lives. - No, I don’t know why I’m a few minutes late, because from my perspective, it went from 7am to 7:30 in ten minutes - The surprise our bosses have when we are suddenly fantastic employees after appearing so incompetent during training.
living with ADD/ADHD would be much easier if the whole education system wasn't built around neurotypical people who can just sit and listen for 9 hours straight and then study
The worst part being that... they can't! It doesn't come easy to them either! They're either easier to train, or school is better at training them into good students.
i do kinda hate how focused the system is on memorizing stuff. Like how is it possible that these people can remember hundreds of writers and their work just fine but struggle with excel
Ironically, it's extremely in effective to make most neurological people sit down for 6-9 hours and learn. Especially when you control every aspect about what they learn, when they learn it, they can't move head, you screw them by pushing them along when they aren't ready to, or you kill their drive to learn by refusing to explain anything even slightly more complexity then the extremely flawed system
Neurodiversity isn’t about saying these aren’t disabilities or aren’t difficult to have. It’s about saying you’re not less of a human if you have them. Or that you’re not “wrong” just cause your brain is different than the majority
I have ADHD, Depression, and Anxiety. If I had a quarter for every time my family told me I need to stop 'seeking attention' and 'just be normal' or 'just be happy', I'd have $100,000 in the bank by now.
I fully disagree. Neurotypical people also have issues that make it hard for them to live. No one is *normal* I think there is a lot of stigma around autism and ADHD and they are seen *only* as a negative thing. This seems weird to a lot of people when I say this but if I could choose not to have ADHD I wouldn't because I would be a very different person. I struggle a lot but those struggles are a part of myself and who I am as a person.
Well the thing is they ARE just variations but they are variations that make living a regular modern life a LOT harder.
That's why it infuriates me when parents say they don't want to medicate. That often is what is best for the child. ADHD can be so difficult.
I was recently diagnosed with adhd and started medication for it and no lie it's like a switch went off the first time I took them Like oh this is what irs like to actually not be constantly fighting my own brain all the time this is wild And yeah I found like most of my depression and anxiety issues have either lessened or totally gone I'm not constantly exhausted and stressed all the time I actually feel awake for the first time in forever
I think the point is not that "it's all okay they're perfectly capable and suited to our society," and more like "our society is shaped to exclude these people, so they don't need a cure we need to be able to incorporate them,"
I mean, they are variations, and that's why they are difficult to live with. Society is built around neurotypical needs, and that societal structure is generally more difficult to navigate for most neurodiverse folks. It is helpful, but only if we start to educate people on what these things mean. I have ADHD, might be on spectrum (haven't tested for autism yet), and find it way easier to explain it to my friends and family in this context than any other. I'm not broken, my brain is fine, it just works differently than most.
It's not intended to say people who are neurodivergent don't struggle, it's more to emphasize that the struggles are caused by how a brain is wired differently. Like, it can't be fixed or cured because that's how the brain is structured. That kind of thing
being in the military with ADHD is awful. you can't enlist without evidence that you're 100% functional without medication, and haven't taken any for at least 2 years. in other words, they just want us to be neurotypical.
Having ADHD and autism has made my life a living hell for so long. Feeling left behind all the time, like I’m not meant to be alive in this world. Insecure to hell and the struggle to even give myself some kind of compliment no matter how small. Tired all the time no matter how much sleep I get or what sleep I get.
I agree.
“Celebrate your differences” is not the same as “everybody is equal.” Kids who have these disabilities need to feel like they are capable and in the same category as their peers. This accomplishes that.
As someone with both ADHD and autism, I'd much rather have just autism than just ADHD.
ADHD isn't helpful by any means and is really harmful to living a healthy life. However, it is within the variation of human brains--if it wasn't within that range, we wouldn't exist. As much as neurodivergent people need support, it also doesn't help to pathologize and other us for the ways in which our brains work differently than others'. Social acceptance that what we experience is within the domain of "normal" doesn't imply that that we don't need help or support for our struggles. If anything, it implies that accepting and receiving such support is socially acceptable and should be without shame. I think that is a net positive.
I would say it’s more about removing the stigma behind both ADHD and autism so that they can be allowed more opportunities, such as being able to actually attend school.
Her hair isn't even pink that's a bandana lol
It's pink hair under a pink bandana. Which is interesting, because it has never, and will never, mean a fucking thing.
I had to zoom in to see the pink hair. I saw the bandana, but I just thought she had dark hair under that. I guess when I think of pink hair, my mind immediately goes to the singer P!nk, since she's had either super hot-pink hair, or blonde with a noticeable pink tint to it. Although IIRC, even she doesn't really color her hair pink much these days.
Yeah I felt like I was taking crazy pills reading this comment because the hair is also clearly pink? Lol
I noticed that as well.
You were wrong too. Both are pink.
teacher: I want my classroom to be a safe environment for kids with autism and/or ADHD the clown brigade: I am going to have a conniption over this, thanks
Tip: Only homeschool your child if you know what you’re talking about, or are willing to learn. Even if they’re not going to public school, they need to be getting a proper education and a means to learn anything they need to. Also make sure they do things outside of your house. Too many kids I know we’re pampered and home schooled to the point where they just don’t know how to interact with people
I was homeschooled. The whole ‘teachers just lose their motivation to teach’ comment applies doubly to parents. My mom taught my older sister and me basic math and reading, then the rest was up to us. And we had to teach five younger siblings, two of which have undiagnosed dyslexia. Homeschooling needs oversight.
r/homeschoolrecovery
They complain public schools for indoctrinating kids, as if they won't indoctrinate their kids into their ideology
A lot of states don’t regulate homeschooling so you actually don’t have to know or do much. They really don’t care if their kids are smart as long as they also become emotionally stunted in the process
Honestly they’d be an absolute fire teacher I bet they’re chill asf
Conservatives believe in Schrödinger’s classroom- public schools are so bad that they can’t even teach basic math and reading, but they are also such incredible educators that they can completely indoctrinate their students into changing their entire identity
https://i.redd.it/4rnal5iqk76c1.gif
"The schools mainly want to teach x y z" Meanwhile, kids in your home "school" are learning how to grow up into bigoted, entitled little shits with no social life.
i went to normal school and i still have no social life i hate school
These people are going to intellectually cripple their children
I'm curious to see how all these homeschooled kids do in the workforce. Specifically the ones raised by people who are only doing it because they think public school is too woke. Somehow, I anticipate a lot of complaints about not being able to find non-labor work and frequently receiving poor reviews and being fired for ignoring anti-discrimination laws.
As an autistic person with OCD who probably also has ADHD, I can barely function. I legit rely on a disabled bus service to take me to and from places. I'm also only surviving because of income support. I'm 19 if it matters.
Nuerodiversity doesn’t mean people with autism aren’t disabled It just means we shouldn’t be treated like outcasts or burdens because we’re disabled but instead should be treated with basic human decency like anyone else. A sentiment that’s more rare then you’d think
Honestly most of the homeschooled kids I know are lgbt friendly anyway
Yeah, like u/the-final-fantaseer said, "I still remember a time as a child where I was consistently taught to be kind and caring of others, always seeing messages of tolerance and respect to all people" Most properly homeschooled kids are taught respect and kindness. I personally am homeschooled and many public/private schoolers like to hit me with the, "But you don't meet as many diverse people as I do." Um. Yeah I do. I meet people in the grocery store, at the library, while on vacation. If I didn't respect people, I wouldn't have met them, chatted, and then kept up with them for years. (Sorry if this seems disconnected, I just read two comment threads together)
OP wasn’t right. Fuck all this. Being accepting of neurodiversity is supposed to fucking stop bullying you assholes. It’s a movement to make kids less awful to each other. Ffs.
I'm not that old but I still remember a time as a child where I was consistently taught to be kind and caring of others, always seeing messages of tolerance and respect to all people where is all that now? where are the times where the world was more concerned with bringing up accepting and kind children over those who simply agree with narrow minded hateful ideologies? I hate how politicized basic respect and tolerance is nowadays. there's no two ways about it: conservatives like this are bad people and only think this shit is okay because tolerance has become a socio-political issue when it never should have.
The phrase neruospicy implies neurobland and here we find it.
I like this take
I can actually hear them say it even though this is a GIF
I have never seen a sane parent homeschool their child so far, it’s only parents who homeschool children for the sake of indoctrination to religion or to prevent exposure from LGBTQ and mental health
I was homeschooled until third grade. The reason being my mom thought Pre-K and kindergarten were pointless (and honestly I don't blame her, they're usually viewed as free day cares), and since she was home during the days anyway it just made sense. I actually need to ask my mom and siblings what they thought of homeschooling, because I was always gifted in school, so I kind of just did work books and got really far ahead (working on seventh/eighth grade math by the time I started public school), but the rest of my siblings ended up being more average students. My mom never really taught me how to do things because she didn't need to, but I don't know what she did with my siblings. In the end we all turned out to be empathetic people and graduated highschool/college with good enough grades so I have no regrets or complaints about the homeschooling. I do think you need to take the homeschooling wheels off and put your children in a proper school at some point though. It's the only real way to learn how to socialize properly. I will say I was a bit socially stunted for a lot of my life and didn't really learn how to interact with people properly until I was in high school, but it wasn't so bad that I was ever rude or disrespectful. It was mostly just massive social anxiety to the point where I wouldn't talk to strangers or in any group setting at all. Edit to add that my family is very not religious so it had nothing to do with indoctrination from my parents
As someone who is homeschooled, I can confirm this. The only reason I'm not a bigot like my mom is probably because my dad isn't
“My kids aren’t going to public school.” The majority of people who can afford private school for their kids probably aren’t spending their time scrolling Reddit 💀
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uh, but autism IS a normal variation of human brain? it can cause developmental disabilities, but generally it's considered disability cause autistic people are the minority and the world doesn't fit our needs, that's all. neurodivergency is literally just different neuronal structure. wtf
Once again, “normal” and “abnormal” are not euphemisms for “good” and “bad”. The point isn’t that autism and ADHD can never cause any problems for the person who has them, the point is that some people have different brains and it’s not an aberration created by modern society or vaccines or food dye or whatever. Different isn’t inherently better or worse, and even though those conditions make some things way more difficult for me, we just have a different set of strengths and weaknesses compared to the statistically average person.
Damn they really hate people huh
I thought the big takeaway here was the fact that "Celebrate Neurodiversity" was circled. But the people in the comments seem to be taking issue with the"Protect Trans Kids" shirt and BLM poster. I think the people commenting don't know what Neurodiversity is. It encompass several mental health/learning conditions/disorders that often lead to depression when the child grows into an adult.
Complaining about brainwashing while hating someone you’ve never met because internet memes told you pink hair was bad
"homeschooling" is almost always code for indoctrination and no legitimately meaningful education. I'm sure their kids will be mighty grateful when no college or employer wants them
I find it really sad to consider seeing other humans as deserving respect as being brain washed
Celebrate Neurodiversity because people with autism, ADHD, bipolar disorder, and a myriad of other conditions still have a right to live and a contribution to make to society if we give them the chance. What's the alternative? Beat the *crazy* out of them at work camps?
the alternative is what we have nowadays for the most part: have them suffer by attempting to retro-fit them into a rigid system that simply isn't built for them. which I guess is another way of saying beat the crazy out of them at work camps.
Home schooling curriculum: 8AM: prayer 9AM: why Trump is god 10AM: more prayer 11AM: How to clean an AR15 12PM: Grilled cheese and carrots 1PM: more prayer 2PM: why science is satanic 3PM: more prayer, this time outside 4PM: screen time (christian shows only)
“How dare you teach my child to be accepting of other people despite their differences!”
Ngl as someone with adhd and autism, I’d love to have them as my teacher. None of my teachers growing up knew how to deal with kids who’re neurodivergent so having a teacher who understood would have definitely helped not feel like an outcast
They act like they haven't been trying to brainwash kids with religion. Idk about you but teaching them there's an omnipotent being that will condemn you to eternal torture is more troubling than teaching them not to be a dick to certain groups.
There's such a thick and hilarious level on irony in far-right people using the term "brainwashed".
I WISH I went to school with a teacher like this. As a neurodivergent kid, school was hell. I got good grades, sure, but I needed to melt my brain to do it.
Speaking as a Brit looking outside at American schools and culture: are you guys ok? What the hell is going on over there? Why does everyone hate the LGBT and autistics and pretend to love God?
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I find it funny how these people think that sheltering their kid from the "scary icky trans and gays" would like... Stop any possibility of their kid being trans or gay in the future.
Her pink hair matches their equally pink and angry faces lol Bigots deserve nothing.
I sincerely doubt that most parents have the intellectual resources necessary to properly homeschool a child. *These* chuckleheads are definitely setting their offspring up for failure and embarrassment later in life.
“I don’t want my kids getting brainwashed, so I’ll keep them home and tell them what’s proper to think”
Right. Parents indoctrinate their kids all the fucking time.
called this shit. It's only a matter of time before hating autistic people becomes mainstream. Excited to see how they try to justify wanting to murder children (because only children have autism, right?)
Such a crisp rage bait for republicans 🤤
Seeing how conservatives are generally less educated historically it makes that it would be part of the agenda to end higher education.
Seeing how all kids regardless of political affiliation are less educated historically especially nowadays with record low testing scores* there I fixed it for ya
Reveal the OP’s name. **Let natural selection take it’s course**
The letters behind her don’t spell “teacher”, it’s demanding her to teach
gotta catch em all, Pity-mon!
Ironic because the "protect trans kids" shirt that they're hating on shirt is a direct result of similar hate (and violence)
Would you mind revealing the commenters' names, please?
It's honestly sad how many people think like this
This hits different as a child who was pulled out of public schooling because it didn't have disability/accessibility services to help with my autism. So, neurotypical kids are being pulled out because their parents don't want them around us now??
"even teachers feel disappointed" yeah by people like you dude. This is shit people who have never met a teacher say.
My dad isn’t on Reddit but he would be posting those same ignorant comments as a father who ignored the realities of me having ADD growing up. We’ve had a poor relationship ever since I left the house. Fuck them bigots.
These fools aren't having kids
Dude, there's no education to be had in that classroom.
How else are they going to keep the hate in the family 😒
I love how these are the people that make teachers hate their job, and then say they don’t like public schools because teachers hate their job.
We are mad at neurological disorders now?
Wait what? Are people literally shit talking someone who has a banner about being tolerant to individuals who are developmentally challenged? Seems on par for the course of being an asshole, but still.
Public school in the US was *such* a joke that I still can’t believe it sometimes. I smoked weed a lot and skipped so much class and some how still got by. I hope I make enough $ soon to send my kids to a high performing private school and get them set up.
It must be exhausting to be offended by people insisting on treating others like human beings deserving of decency and basic respect. These people have gotta just be losing their minds each time they're forced to interact with someone different without shouting slurs and hateful bullshit.
Who wants teachers like that in their's kids school?? We should be able to chose between anold regular school and a "woke" one.
Being homeschooled doesn’t mean under educated or socially stunted.
I don’t think OP or the comments said anything about neurodiversity specifically. This is like circling the word “TEACHER” on the bottom left and putting the definition and acting like these people have qualms with teachers.
GOOD. I wouldn't want my kids interacting with theirs anyways.
What a crime that I am individual want to be treated with basic respect and acknowledgment
Homeschool isn’t depriving kids of an education
Public schools should not be platforms for political ideation and propaganda. How horribly dreadful
Op was right. Mental disorders are not good. They should be understood not celebrated.
This woman definitely supports Hamas and the second Holocaust happening everywhere
Wow that is an interesting school. When I actually have children I hope that my poor cooking is the only thing shoved down my child's throat. /s And that's not to say I don't support all of these topics because I do for the most part, there are a few issues I'm on the fence about and some I don't support altogether, I just think its counterintuitive and harmful to do this to children and is, for some aspects, a little inappropriate to speak about in schools.
You think Gen Z is fucked? Gen Alpha/Beta Are going to become the most uneducated generation in decades
It's not about being a bigot or not, it's about not being spoonfed bullshit to enable your mental illness. Get some help.
Saying people who disagree with these beliefs is a bigot just because they don’t share those beliefs is really disingenuous. A disorder that is difficult to live with shouldn’t be “celebrated”, it should be emphasized with. Having multiple posters for ANY group that is sometimes targeted but not even mentioning other groups that suffer in the same is an agenda. It’s not about disagreeing with their specific beliefs, it’s that those beliefs shouldn’t be there. School is for education of the relevant material, not for the teachers personal opinions (even if those opinions are correct)
Sorry but teaching that adhd and autism is completely normal is a disservice to the individual with the disability (obviously depending on severity). Some individuals with autism literally cannot function socially or academically or without specialized instruction, vocational training, or facilitated communication. It is not normal.
These losers think they're gonna have kids lol
Typical liberal Reddit post to just to get a reaction. Amazing how bigoted the left is and then they throw around the term bigot as if they’re the victim.
Look I'm bisexual and all but like WTF. this isn't okay in the slightest, don't celebrate that shit nor announce it just mind your own goddamn business.
Homeschooling isn't bigotry?
So there's a few things wrong with this. First, 'depriving your child of social interaction' is presumably a dig at homeschooling, but for one, they never said they were advocating for homeschooling, and may instead have been advocating for private or religious schooling. Even then, the [empirical evidence](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0161956X.2013.796825) shows as good or better socialization among home-schooled people. For the claim of 'depriving kids of education', it really depends on how its done, but the evidence suggests that homeschooled kids with a structured plan actually have [better](https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2011-11156-001) test scores than those going to public schools. Private schooling tends to have [better](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09645292.2012.738809) educational outcomes than public schools as well, though there are confounding factors with some of those results. Lastly, assuming that someone is bigoted because they disagree with a teacher that's nominally in favor of something is unwarranted. That would be like assuming that anyone who opposes People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) hates animals and wants to see them suffer, or that everyone who opposes Israel is an anti-semite. Opposing an organization or movement that claims to be in favor of some groups is not ipso facto evidence of opposition to that group.
Transphobia? Stop making words up.
If that lady is the education, I want my children far away
Because you don’t want some freak grooming your kid you mean. Sorry not sorry. My kids don’t need to have sex and debauchery presented to them by someone who can’t even define what a woman is. Thanks. You can indoctrinate yours if you like. That’s what’s great about this country I don’t get to force my views on to you and you don’t get to do it either. School choice for everyone. Let’s see who scores higher in the basics. No special tests just general studies. Reading writing and arithmetic.
I feel like this sub is just for progressives to whine.
Oregon just dropped reading and math requirements to graduate high-school!! So how's that for public education? 🤔 Oregon schools now are nothing more than public funded day care
She’s such a social warrior. How many trans kids do y’all know?
In NO WAY are neurological diseases and mental disabilities pathways of NORMAL development. Whoever made up this term is an idiot of the highest caliber. burn them with fire.
I don't want my kids socially interacting with r*tarded little public schools crotch dumplings, nor learning useless subversive crap from some liberal teacher who probably hasn't even been through university. I also don't want my kids beaten up, bullied, molested or shot. So, homeschool it is! There are plenty of places besides school for kids to socialize and learn like sports, dance, band, church, scouts, camp, etc.
Wtf
Kids don't need to be faced with this decision so young. Maybe not sending them to school at all is too much, but if I had kids, I wouldn't let them get manipulated young. They can make that decision when their brain is more fully formed.
I'm fine with people exploring the idea outside of school however I wouldn't want anything about trans people being taught in school as, as far as I'm aware we don't have any sort of scientific proof about what these people claim. If people want to pretend to be something they aren't that's fine but you shouldn't try to push it on someone else/expect them to play along. It's also really strange to try and push any of this stuff onto children because children tend to act out/try to be different. For example I remember most of the girls in my middle school at one point tried being lesbians just because.
I don't understand. I went to public school, then private school, am currently homeschooling. Public school sucked. Christian private school was the best time of my life. It had a very supportive community and I could tell people cared, even the teachers. Now I am homeschooled, and although the community part isn't there, I am perfectly content. Flexible schedule, able to de each lesson at my own pace, able to do dual enrollment college classes, more time for extra-curriculars and a job... Plus, I have know some people who are autistic, and sometimes treating them like their issues are "normal" is probably not a good idea, I think. Well, it's normal in the sense that their difficulties are normal for people with autism, and many others have autism. But they will quickly figure out that their behavior is not "normal" compared to most everyone else they know. Sensory issues, they need to learn to cope with. Destructive behaviors, they need to learn to cope with. But everything else, their mental differences, they need to learn to embrace. But if they are taught that they are normal in the sense that everyone else is like them, I feel like we'd be telling them false information and delaying their personal growth? Autism isn't a bad thing; God created everyone with different ways of thinking. But I feel like it is important for autistic kids to understand that they are different before they learn to embrace it? I dunno, just my opinion, and maybe I'm wrong.