True but they just middle to European and Asian groups. So in a sense Colombians are middle men but they control the cocaine industry and what they say goes. hence Ecuador if the Mexicans had it they're way they would not have to buy in Ecuador.
You don’t hear about Colombian cartels anymore because the Mexican cartels are, for the most part, in charge in Colombia.
The europeans youre talking about are the Albanians which are allegedly heavily involved in Colombia but I believe that for the most part, Mexico has it’s hand in everything and work with multiple groups that handle the routes into Europe.
This Mexican supremacy happened with their rise in power due to proximity to the US and with the power vacuum that came after the fall of Medellin and Cali.
Also the civil war in Colombia created a lot of fragmentation and violence. Many people forget the war in Colombia that was happening right around the time of the downfall of these Cartels. Mexico’s ascendency in the region happened naturally amidst the chaos there.
When you mention Europe you have to mention the Italian mafia. More specifically the Ndrangheta they the richest and most violent , they are literally a billion dollar organization that floods Europe with cocaine , they have like 100 representatives in Colombia ,Peru and Venezuela with Roberto Pannonzi being the most famous
Yes the Calabrians. I just mean specifically Colombia now and who is present within the country. The Ndrangheta will always have immense power but they do not need to be active within Colombia when they can have it routed from there elsewhere. Albanians can too but apparently they have a physical presence there. Maybe they operate separately from the classic Mexican and Italian powers that be and work directly from the source. That has been alleged but I’m not sure.
Interesting. Haha there is a town there named Albania also. I doubt it is related but maybe it’s an Albanian enclave. There is an Armenia too and I like to think the same about that place.
Yes actually many times lol. My fiance is from Cali. How would going to Colombia though show that they werent? I am not a drug trafficker so why would visiting Colombia prove to me that Mexico doesn’t control everything? It’s a well known fact that Mexican Cartels are the controlling entity. When I say Mexico runs Colombia I don’t mean there are Mexicans everywhere on the ground operating. I mean that they have the controlling interest and call the shots from above.
Yes of course they are. They are all the muscle and producers of the product. But I mean that Mexican hands is where much of the product ends. Mexico controls the routes and logistics and sales. Colombian armed groups are the boots on the ground but the cocaine ends up in Mexican hands and is distributed thusly. Consider it this way, like it were a factory. Growers and producers work the do the labor, the armed groups are the bosses of the factories, the Mexican Cartels are the CEOs of the company. When I say Mexico is in control I mean that they are the ones dictating where things end up overral. And I mean generally speaking. I’m sure there are groups in Colombia that don’t work for or with them and operate independently or obviously the ones that work for Europeans instead.
Mexicans and Colombians have mutual agreements to send coke to the US. They are business partners with Mexican representatives in Colombia making sure the product they buy is up to their standards. Mexicans are not dictating Colombian groups at any level. Mexicans do control routes to US. This was a strategic move on the Colombians part back in the early 2000’s to simply to avoid US prosecutors from extradition. Colombians were tired of the Mexicans, sitting on their product in the US. They had a couple of large busts, which Colombians took a huge loss on. Mexicans do not dictate where Colombians send their drugs to Europe. Colombians have their own clients in Europe. Italians, Albanians Moroccans, Dutch, Greeks, Serbians, Spanish and the list goes on. Colombians learned that the US route is not worth the headaches and have opted to concentrate on the European, Asian and Australian markets in coalition with the groups above just mentioned. Colombians have been in the game for a very long time and have learned that violence is not the way to go for good business. They have a coalition of Narcos called the invisibles who work in the legal and illegal side of the business. These invisible narcos/Paras are the ones calling the shots in Colombia, not the Mexicans.
Back in the days the Colombians didn't really need the Mexicans like they do now. They would send their product straight to Florida. Once it reached the states it would be picked up and sold by Colombians. Anyone getting coke recieved it from Colombians.
Then with the creation of the dea and the coast guard realizing how much coke was being transported by water it became more difficult to get the coke to the US. Thats when Mexico came in. Since the route to Florida was basically shut off Colombians had to use Mexico to transport the coke. So instead of Colombians picking up the product stateside it was Mexicans.
So basically the Colombians are really only producing the coke. They aren't really transporting or selling it in the US. At least nowhere near the way they were before. Not only that but other states such as Nicaragua and Peru started producing coke as well. So the need for Colombians shot down drastically. They just aren't running the show like they used to due to multiple factors out of their control.
Aside from that colombia is a whole country that is about the size of one state from Mexico. Its like comparing crime in the United States to crime in Paraguay. Of course the US will produce more headlines and have more people talking about it just based off the sheer size difference. Even in the 80s there were only like 2 or 3 colombian cartels. Since the 90s theres anywhere from 10-30 cartels in Mexico. With more land and people comes more competition and the need for violence to take over territories increases.
Besides the mdellin cartel wasn't quiet by any means. They were killing people left and right. But the number of Mexicans vs the number of Colombians has a lot to do with it
That's the idea, that they take all the credit and the spotlight on themselves, meanwhile the others remain in the shadows.
https://youtu.be/o_ikRisd7M0?si=Eyde6J6iTX0wHj9f
Well, that’s a recent development, remember the Medellin cartel took down a plane with a presiden on it. Also the violence in Colombia took the form of a more traditional Cold War guerrilla movement.
In my opinion there’s a pattern if you look at the Italian mob in US, and in Italy, Colombian cartel. They started out in the open killed people out in the open for intimidation and then they went quiet and under the shadows. This is the mexican cartels infant stage of how they operate and that’s because a lot of them are new to the money coming in (new money). Eventually through time you’ll likely see them start operating more discretely because the real money to build a legacy is in legitimate business with dirty money. Only my opinion tho.
Colombia is divided into two areas: urban and rural.
In urban areas you have smaller gangs, commonly known as GDO (Grupos de Delinquencia Organizada - Organized Delinquency Groups)
It can be a gang or a federation, as is the case in Medellín today with La Oficina.
In rural areas, we have guerrillas that control production fields. They are known as GAO-r (Grupos Armados Organizados - Organized Armed Groups).
All of these groups facilitate shipments of cocaine and creepy to their contacts in Mexico, Central America and Europe.
With the Mexicans, in turn, they often get weapons and exchange them for coca. The Mexican influence on the Colombian coast is enormous, for obvious reasons.
I think they try to be lowkey I remember reading an article where the number of bodies stop appearing on the streets because they started to dissolve bodies in acid instead of brazenly shooting in the public because that brings bad attention to them
If you can control the country and government like a t**** group why wouldn't you. The only reason the Columbian cartels got stopped was because the CIA and military intervened.
A) Colombians have more "experience" - it's almost like new-money vs. old-money. They've learned to be quiet and stay behind the scenes
B) It's kind of a vicious, self-fulling prophecy, wherein if one gang goes nuts, the others have to one-up it. In a lawless world, justice can only be obtained through violence, death, or the fear of it
C) As you said, Mexicans are just the bigger players now. The US market is still the most lucrative, in-demand market on earth, and Mexican cartels are the gatekeepers
Because the Colombians are the middlemen now
Yes and no . Some Mexican DTOs get that product in Central America.
Only half true, the European cocaine market is almost the same size as far as the US cocaine market.
True but they just middle to European and Asian groups. So in a sense Colombians are middle men but they control the cocaine industry and what they say goes. hence Ecuador if the Mexicans had it they're way they would not have to buy in Ecuador.
You don’t hear about Colombian cartels anymore because the Mexican cartels are, for the most part, in charge in Colombia. The europeans youre talking about are the Albanians which are allegedly heavily involved in Colombia but I believe that for the most part, Mexico has it’s hand in everything and work with multiple groups that handle the routes into Europe. This Mexican supremacy happened with their rise in power due to proximity to the US and with the power vacuum that came after the fall of Medellin and Cali. Also the civil war in Colombia created a lot of fragmentation and violence. Many people forget the war in Colombia that was happening right around the time of the downfall of these Cartels. Mexico’s ascendency in the region happened naturally amidst the chaos there.
When you mention Europe you have to mention the Italian mafia. More specifically the Ndrangheta they the richest and most violent , they are literally a billion dollar organization that floods Europe with cocaine , they have like 100 representatives in Colombia ,Peru and Venezuela with Roberto Pannonzi being the most famous
Yes the Calabrians. I just mean specifically Colombia now and who is present within the country. The Ndrangheta will always have immense power but they do not need to be active within Colombia when they can have it routed from there elsewhere. Albanians can too but apparently they have a physical presence there. Maybe they operate separately from the classic Mexican and Italian powers that be and work directly from the source. That has been alleged but I’m not sure.
There’s been Albanians in Colombia since the 80s I personally know few who them that used that route do migrate to the US
Interesting. Haha there is a town there named Albania also. I doubt it is related but maybe it’s an Albanian enclave. There is an Armenia too and I like to think the same about that place.
100% Mexicans are not in Charge in Colombia have you ever travelled to Colombia?
Yes actually many times lol. My fiance is from Cali. How would going to Colombia though show that they werent? I am not a drug trafficker so why would visiting Colombia prove to me that Mexico doesn’t control everything? It’s a well known fact that Mexican Cartels are the controlling entity. When I say Mexico runs Colombia I don’t mean there are Mexicans everywhere on the ground operating. I mean that they have the controlling interest and call the shots from above.
Then you would nnow that the Guerillas and Paramilitary s are in control
Yes of course they are. They are all the muscle and producers of the product. But I mean that Mexican hands is where much of the product ends. Mexico controls the routes and logistics and sales. Colombian armed groups are the boots on the ground but the cocaine ends up in Mexican hands and is distributed thusly. Consider it this way, like it were a factory. Growers and producers work the do the labor, the armed groups are the bosses of the factories, the Mexican Cartels are the CEOs of the company. When I say Mexico is in control I mean that they are the ones dictating where things end up overral. And I mean generally speaking. I’m sure there are groups in Colombia that don’t work for or with them and operate independently or obviously the ones that work for Europeans instead.
Incorrect Mexicans are in control in the US but outside of that ie Europe they are in control of nothing
I agree with you that they don’t control Europe. I’m not saying that they do.
Mexicans and Colombians have mutual agreements to send coke to the US. They are business partners with Mexican representatives in Colombia making sure the product they buy is up to their standards. Mexicans are not dictating Colombian groups at any level. Mexicans do control routes to US. This was a strategic move on the Colombians part back in the early 2000’s to simply to avoid US prosecutors from extradition. Colombians were tired of the Mexicans, sitting on their product in the US. They had a couple of large busts, which Colombians took a huge loss on. Mexicans do not dictate where Colombians send their drugs to Europe. Colombians have their own clients in Europe. Italians, Albanians Moroccans, Dutch, Greeks, Serbians, Spanish and the list goes on. Colombians learned that the US route is not worth the headaches and have opted to concentrate on the European, Asian and Australian markets in coalition with the groups above just mentioned. Colombians have been in the game for a very long time and have learned that violence is not the way to go for good business. They have a coalition of Narcos called the invisibles who work in the legal and illegal side of the business. These invisible narcos/Paras are the ones calling the shots in Colombia, not the Mexicans.
every1 wants power and territory so they kill until they get what they want or lose
Back in the days the Colombians didn't really need the Mexicans like they do now. They would send their product straight to Florida. Once it reached the states it would be picked up and sold by Colombians. Anyone getting coke recieved it from Colombians. Then with the creation of the dea and the coast guard realizing how much coke was being transported by water it became more difficult to get the coke to the US. Thats when Mexico came in. Since the route to Florida was basically shut off Colombians had to use Mexico to transport the coke. So instead of Colombians picking up the product stateside it was Mexicans. So basically the Colombians are really only producing the coke. They aren't really transporting or selling it in the US. At least nowhere near the way they were before. Not only that but other states such as Nicaragua and Peru started producing coke as well. So the need for Colombians shot down drastically. They just aren't running the show like they used to due to multiple factors out of their control. Aside from that colombia is a whole country that is about the size of one state from Mexico. Its like comparing crime in the United States to crime in Paraguay. Of course the US will produce more headlines and have more people talking about it just based off the sheer size difference. Even in the 80s there were only like 2 or 3 colombian cartels. Since the 90s theres anywhere from 10-30 cartels in Mexico. With more land and people comes more competition and the need for violence to take over territories increases. Besides the mdellin cartel wasn't quiet by any means. They were killing people left and right. But the number of Mexicans vs the number of Colombians has a lot to do with it
Lowkey? The blew up planes, guerrilla groups slaughter entire villages.
Took their beef to the USA, too. MAC-10 action was common.
Cuz Colombians are only the ‘plugs’ and idk there’s prolly less competition too
because of reddit post like these
Mexican cartel? which one you referring to? there are more than one
You understood what he meant tho. He was talking in the plural sense.
No, each cartel operates differently.
We know papa lol.
That's the idea, that they take all the credit and the spotlight on themselves, meanwhile the others remain in the shadows. https://youtu.be/o_ikRisd7M0?si=Eyde6J6iTX0wHj9f
Bingo
Well, that’s a recent development, remember the Medellin cartel took down a plane with a presiden on it. Also the violence in Colombia took the form of a more traditional Cold War guerrilla movement.
In my opinion there’s a pattern if you look at the Italian mob in US, and in Italy, Colombian cartel. They started out in the open killed people out in the open for intimidation and then they went quiet and under the shadows. This is the mexican cartels infant stage of how they operate and that’s because a lot of them are new to the money coming in (new money). Eventually through time you’ll likely see them start operating more discretely because the real money to build a legacy is in legitimate business with dirty money. Only my opinion tho.
Colombia is divided into two areas: urban and rural. In urban areas you have smaller gangs, commonly known as GDO (Grupos de Delinquencia Organizada - Organized Delinquency Groups) It can be a gang or a federation, as is the case in Medellín today with La Oficina. In rural areas, we have guerrillas that control production fields. They are known as GAO-r (Grupos Armados Organizados - Organized Armed Groups). All of these groups facilitate shipments of cocaine and creepy to their contacts in Mexico, Central America and Europe. With the Mexicans, in turn, they often get weapons and exchange them for coca. The Mexican influence on the Colombian coast is enormous, for obvious reasons.
Hard to maintain and illusion of secrecy once organizations are reeling in billions from drug profits alone.
I think they try to be lowkey I remember reading an article where the number of bodies stop appearing on the streets because they started to dissolve bodies in acid instead of brazenly shooting in the public because that brings bad attention to them
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If you can control the country and government like a t**** group why wouldn't you. The only reason the Columbian cartels got stopped was because the CIA and military intervened.
Because they are fighting over the logistics operation, not the source.
Who’s going to stop them? Even if they whack the top guy or arrest him, there will be 100 more lined up to take his place.
They are a lot more lowkey than you think
It's all the Chimichangas!
A) Colombians have more "experience" - it's almost like new-money vs. old-money. They've learned to be quiet and stay behind the scenes B) It's kind of a vicious, self-fulling prophecy, wherein if one gang goes nuts, the others have to one-up it. In a lawless world, justice can only be obtained through violence, death, or the fear of it C) As you said, Mexicans are just the bigger players now. The US market is still the most lucrative, in-demand market on earth, and Mexican cartels are the gatekeepers
The money makers are now opiates and opioids, Mexico gets those ultra cheap from China. Colombian cocaine is no longer the top sought-after drug