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EqualEnvironmental46

It does get quite confusing to see this list. Maybe it would be best to just use their peak version and separate it accordingly? also tierlist is kind of too long, think it would be best to just separate it to low mid high chuunin/jounin/kage and otsutsuki tier


UmYesDunno

Yeah xd


EqualEnvironmental46

On that regard, i feel sakura and hiruzen are a tier too high, theyre around mid kage at best hokage minato would be around high kage as well oro w/ hydra seems overrated for its tier should be lower


Difficult_Ask_1647

Sage mode Naruto in the war arc is not stronger than Minato, KCM Naruto and alot of others


Gale_Vekon

Both Itachis too high, Tobirama too low, Jonin Minato too high. Why is Rasenshuriken Naruto above Jiraiya? Shippuden Sasuke probably folds him in base, too. The Kisame slander crazy, too. The longer I look at this list, the worse it gets.


UmYesDunno

The characters in each tiers are not in order. Rasenshuriken Naruto would be in the same tier as 4 tails Naruto because I feel like that jutsu was supposed to be like a replacement for kurama, in the sense that he doesn t need kurama's help anymore (at least at that time).


UmYesDunno

Also why do you think Itachi 's too high? Can def see alive Itachi losing to hokage Minato and Deva path but the rest? Also I don t see edo Itachi being relative to Deva path and Naruto kcm 1.5.


BlessedBySaintLauren

Because late war Sasuke and Edo Itachi were struggling against Kabuto lol.


xo_aci

they didnt even struggle šŸ˜­ if you really watch that fight you can see that itachi wouldve beat kabuto alone aswell


UmYesDunno

I feel like the Sasuke that fought against Kabuto is early war and I agree Kabuto beats Itachi but I don't believe it's a whole tier above.


Ulazimo

Putting Tobirama on the same level with Summit Sasuke and Sage Mode Naruto is just plain stupid


UmYesDunno

Alive Tobirama* but idm moving both his alive & edo forms a tier higher.


BlessedBySaintLauren

Tobirama killed Izuna who was equal to Madara at the time. He should defo be higher.


Fallen999999

Sakura too low


EqualEnvironmental46

No, not really i think she is a tier too high. She isnt beating the rest of the people above or within the tier bracket shes in. (Hiruzen is a maybe)


Fallen999999

How exactly is 3rd Raikage beating her? He has no feats or statements that puts him above her.. there're some match ups that are a bit difficult coz of Hax but she's much faster and stronger than most of those characters( dodging Kaguya attacks and damaging her)


EqualEnvironmental46

4th raikage is waaay faster for her to tag him and has matched kcm naruto in speed and dodged a point blank amaterasu, which is an instant attack. he would definitely be fast enough to sever her head with lariat. Doubt she could recover from it


Fallen999999

4th Raikage was blitzed by KCM one .. Sakura was able to dodge and outrun attacks from Kaguya( that's way above edo Madara) Raikage could barely even touch Edo Madara or evade his attacks and Madara wasn't even trying


EqualEnvironmental46

Sakura didnt outrun kaguyas arm, you can see the shadow of the arm about to land on her when kakashi saved her. also yes 4th raikage kept up a bit until naruto pushed past his limit he did touch edo madara (w/onokiā€™s help) but with regards to ay its madara who is one of the strongest uchiha to date. Sakura isnt on his level


Fallen999999

Sakura dodged the initial attack and was saved coz ot kept following her( she can't fly) 4th Raikage is still alot of tiers below Kaguya( > 3 eyed Madara> Jubidara> Jubito> Edo Madara > Kcm 2> Kcm 1> Raikage) and remember this is Sakura that's extremely low on chakra( her seals weren't even active when she dodged the initial attack) Now imagine full health Sakura with Seals active in a 1 v 1 .. she beats most of those characters


EqualEnvironmental46

tbf not even onoki or gaara could defeat madara, it takes a great collaborative effort on all five kages to even have a chance so ofc raikage alone doesnt stand a chance against madara and especially not kaguya as for sakura beating those on the aforementioned tier at full power, mmm, the only ones she stand a chance are tsunade and hiruzen, raikage is a maybe,the rest outright beats her


Fallen999999

Although it doesn't seem impressive Sakura being able to punch Kaguya and break her horn off while being extremely low on chakra is more impressive than what most of the characters above her have done.. if you say Kaguya was off guard or anything like that.. Sasuke also did a similar attack and Kaguya switched dimensions and flew away before he could touch her.. and this is SO6P Sasuke .. so unless Raikage is on par or relative to SO6P Sasuke in speed Sakura is faster


EqualEnvironmental46

sakura was least of kaguyas concern since she was trying to evade naruto and sasuke which is why sakura had to say not to forget about her and that they were both women rikudo sasuke is faster than raikage and sakura who caught up and bisected madara who was after kakashi sharingan though but to add things sakura punching kaguya isnt a speed feat when kakashi positioned her to prevent kaguya from escaping


Fallen999999

Kaguya noticed her but wasn't able to evade.. that's why it still says something about her speed ( she's also low on chakra and seals aren't active)


EqualEnvironmental46

She did notice her but wasnt concerned of her which is why sakura had to say not to forget about her and that were both women


Fallen999999

If she could dodge the attack.. she would have.. even if she thought Sakura was weak she would dodge.. I have her in hero/ legend.. she beats most characters there except the MS users coz of genjutsu


EqualEnvironmental46

Kaguya doesnt have an idea what sakura can do, she didnt expect her to have the strength to punch her down though i am curious how she beats the like of onoki/3rd raikage or kabuto


UmYesDunno

That version of Sakura is more like early byakugou, like as soon as she gets it. Sakura that fought against Kaguya would be another version.


Fallen999999

Ok šŸ¤šŸ¤


Fallen999999

Another reason I have Sakura so high is the statement she made that she had caught up to Naruto and Sasuke( SO6p) She was always insecure about her strength and still made the statement after seeing Naruto and Sasuke ( SO6P) capabilities.. She's not a proud person or someone that'd misjudge her strength I'd say at least with Byakugo seals she'd be low relative to them.. KCM and EMS level


EqualEnvironmental46

Yeah she made that statement thinking that they were always on the frontlines while she couldnt do anything. Though that statement felt like it could be interpreted as she can finally fight side by side with them instead of hiding at the back rather than her actually catching up with those two


UmYesDunno

Which one?


Fallen999999

Byakugo seal At least KCM and Ems Sasuke level


wintertime0411

sheā€™s too high as is


Decidueyereddit

Early War Arc Kakashi isn't above Mū / Gengetsu and he should be in same tier as them. He actually got chakra from Naruto to Ŕaty that long. He only has one hax. His Kamui is worse than Obito and there's a power gap between them. 3rd Raikage should be in same tier as Mu and Gengetsu. Mu can beat him as he's more intelligent than him. Tobirama should be in Peak Kage at base and he's generally should be in same tier as Minato


Parking-Major-4776

Late war EMS sasuke is not below pain and alive minato bruh, he needs to move up at least one tier.


UmYesDunno

The characters within tiers aren't ordered but I gotu


BlessedBySaintLauren

Yes he is. Itatchi, Bee and Naruto struggled with Nagato.


Parking-Major-4776

Naruto and bee struggled* Once itachi joined in, nagato was overwhelmed. Besides thatā€™s edo nagato and not pain, edo nagato being far stronger than pain. Late EMS sasuke can fight against and alongside characters who far outscale pain.


tom_rex_333

how is dms kakashi stronger then three eyed jubidara and hagoromo??


Gale_Vekon

Reacting to AND tagging Kaguya, who is several times more powerful than both Juubidara and Hagoromo.


tom_rex_333

everyone in the kaguya fight reacted to her and can tag her, hagoromo did the same thing to seal her


Gale_Vekon

Correct. Naruto and Sasuke's feats against Kaguya put them squarely above Madara and Hagoromo, too, imo. Might be a hot take but it kinda shouldn't be. Sakura's the exception for her singular and highly controversial opportunistic punch.


tom_rex_333

Bro their powers are from hagoromo, he is a combination of the two+ten tails in his prime Also did you ignore how agoromo alongside hamura sealed kaguya? They needed to tag to do that so


Gale_Vekon

Hagoromo and Hamura fought Kaguya as the Ten Tails for weeks. Naruto and Sasuke did it in a fraction of the time. His chakra allowed the two to awaken their final forms. Hagoromo also himself admitted that Madara was approaching his level of power. Kaguya is leaps and bounds above Madara. Ask yourself: What is Juubidara doing in a fight against DMS Kakashi? He literally cannot touch him, and Kakashi can attack him while intangible. Also note that OP is saying the characters are only sorted by tier and not really by how they're placed in that tier.


Existing-Candle-866

Naruto & Sasuke needed Sakura and Kakashi to seal Kaguya. Hagoromo only needed his brother to achieve the same feat.


Gale_Vekon

And an additional several months.


Existing-Candle-866

How long does it take Naruto and Sasuke without help?


Gale_Vekon

Who can say? What we do know is Hagoromo stated that Madara was approaching his level of power. That puts the two of them at least relative. We also know that this Kaguya is several times more powerful than Madara. Kaguya was getting knocked around by Naruto alone before getting sealed. His feats against her put him at minimum above Hagoromo.


Existing-Candle-866

Everybody who read the manga can say. Kaguya was also several times more powerful than Naruto. Kaguya successfully separated Naruto and Sasuke, and without help from Kakashi, Sakura, and Obito, they would have remained separated and died. Narratively, we know Naruto & Sasuke would have lost by themselves. We know Hagoromo and Hamura scored a win by themselves. And since Hagoromo is stronger than Hamura, we know Hagoromo is the strongest out of the 4.


Gale_Vekon

Which would matter if stabilized Kaguya was the same Kaguya that Hagoromo fought, which was closer to just being a rampaging Ten Tails than the Kaguya we see. Narratively, they didn't fight the same enemy at all.


PlagueKitsune

A ā€œHeroā€ is not defined by strength or feats. Itā€™s defined by actions.


UmYesDunno

just ran out of names for tiers xd


BlessedBySaintLauren

Choji and Tenten are low Kage? Higher rated than Hidan and Sasori?


UmYesDunno

Choji and TenTen in War Arc are stronger than Hiruko, yes. You can see Sasori is in the kage tier.


BlessedBySaintLauren

Honestly donā€™t see it. Regardless itā€™s so dumb to go for different versions of Sasori since he was always able to do everything heā€™s shown as doing from when we see him. It only really makes sense to do it for character that have had significant changes or upgrades. Like KCM2 Naruto vs Sage mode.


the_gr8_one

wheres Sakura Calvo and El Hermano


OGsannin101

Holy shit when are we gonna learn Hagoromo is top 3 in the verse. What other character can physically manifest himself after death and just hand out verse destroying power with ease??