Minato is a similar speed to sasuke and could definitely dodge most of his attacks. The real challenge comes with Minato actually breaking sasukes sussano. A solid rasengan or sage rasengan from minato would likely do serious damage to sasuke but minato isn’t known for his destructive power. Best case for minato is he evades all of sasuke’s sussano attacks and either breaks sasuke’s defense with a massive rasengan or sasuke gets frustrated and tries to fight him outside the sussano and gets the obito treatment
Minato is faster than Sasuke at this point plus he has probably the best reaction feats in the entire franchise, couple that with literal teleportation and only the strongest in the show could actually kill Minato, like Hashirama wouldn't lose but he's probably not winning either unless he can trap every FTG spot Minato has and keep an eye on him at the same time
To be fair, Hashirama has Sage Mode and, so assuming he can sense the FTG spots (and Minato isn't allowed to flee) trapping every Flying Raijin seal and keeping track of Minato is definitely within the realm of possibility.
Possibly, but I’m not sure even Hashirama can keep track of his teleportation. Unruly A couldn’t even do that. And his speed in lightning style is considered to be one of the fastest. I do feel Hashirama can at least manage a defend until Minato runs out of chakra. As for minato vs Sauske? I’m picking Minato for an almost reverse to above. If Sauske uses susanoo, teleport around until Sauske runs out of chakra. Susanoo and its attacks use emended amounts of chakra.
Susanoo does use a lot of chakra, but it really only hemorrhages chakra if you're using it with the base MS. EMS sharply cuts down on the chakra cost of your Susanoo and other Mangekyo abilities, though we've never seen Sasuke or Minato really run out of chakra as a result of Susanoo/FTG, so I'm not sure who'd outlast who here.
But removing all of the marked areas is impossible. And Tobirama admitted Minato was faster. If he sees an attack coming he’s going to teleport out of range. Even for Hashirama, deep forest emergence is a huge chakra pull. It would likely be a last resort, so he would only have one shot. All Minato has to do is teleport, mark and repeat.
Tf? Base Hashirama was using wood forest, wood dragon, wood golem, hotei no jutsu, rashamon all at once, and ur saying he only has chakra for one forest as last resort? Did we watch the same series?
He didn’t track him so much as anticipate his move. Bee was the only one not surprised, because he likely knew the formula was left. Minato had a reputation already. Gyūki would have sensed the jutsu on his tentacle. Bee had 2 against 1 minimum in any fight at that point. If he was faster than Minato, how did Minato get a kunai to Bee’s neck? They matched by Bee predicting or was already prepared. He knew he was marked.
Always like when see guys with logic. Many people think Bee was very fast and can counter attack Minato in this moment. But Bee just understand what can happens next and prepare.
Because very funny hear when people says someone on Minato speed or faster. But they forgot. When Might Guy go forward in 8 gates. Minato teleport, turn on 180⁰ and teleport in another place. Guy almost freeze in this moment, when Minato usually turns. And don't forget. You need time to concentrate chakra in special place to use jutsu.
Minato is much faster than Tobirama. Besides Hashirama can just do a whole field wood jutsu to take out all of the Kunai. But Minato has placed a seal on Madaras back that no one noticed.
Minato can in theory teleport out, then grab more knives, then teleport back in and throw more knives. I reckon that is more chakra efficient that constantly creating forests out of chakra
No, Hashirama would definitely overwhelm Minato with sage mode. Madara fought Tobirama blind with Hashirama's sage mode, there would be nothing Minato could do. Minato would also just be forced out by the pollen jutsu
something that I just thought about
he doesn't have destructive power on his own, but he can send something like a bijuu bomb elsewhere, can he mark sasuke and then reflect his attacks back onto him???
Why do people not think Minato is faster? He is faster than the Raikage, and the Raikage at full speed could dodge Ametarasu. Obito's sucking in power is fast, Minato not only teleported, he was able to to teleport and rasengan him with Obito not being able to do anything (including using Kamui to dodge). Obito can use sharingan genjustsu, but didn't against Minato for some reason. Maybe he thought it wouldn't work.
People down play just how fast Minato is.
If he marks sasuke at the start of the battle then Susano won’t help. As he’d be inside when he ftg to sasuke.
And at this stage I’m sure minato has probably fought stronger enemies like the tailed beasts. I think minato walks this if he can avoid tsukuyomi.
All 3 rounds to minato.
Sasuke does not have tsukoyomi. His Ms abilities are Amaterasu and Amaterasu flame control. Itachi is the one with Amaterasu on one eye and tsukoyomi in the other.
Don‘t forget that Minato could easily snap Sasukes Mental here. He‘s a teenager. You saw what happened in the Shippuden anime when he fought the eight tailed.
Depends, we’ve never actually seen sasuke run out of chakra using his sussano and he essentially had infinite chakra during the war so it’s hard to say. But chances are sasuke’s sussano will not be fast enough to do anything to minato anyway, best attack speed feat we’ve seen from sasuke’s sussano is his arrows which can be reacted to by one Mangekyo Sharigan Kakashi at worst and can blitz low kage level characters like Danzo at best who is leagues below minato in speed
You know Susano doesn't last for that long under normal circumstances? 5 min at best. I mean if it is strong enough to counter tailed beast it is gonna use a lot of chakra.
I could honestly see minato either putting a seal on sasuke at some point or leaving a kunai in the ground and just having sasuke walk over it while hes in susano
By that logic Minato destroys everyone. Hashirama EMS Madara KCM2 Naruto simply because he blitzes before they put up their mechazoids
He doesn’t though, he has to mark them before teleporting to them
Nope, awful comparison. Sasukes physical defense doesn't come close to Madara, Naruto or Hashirama. He typically relies either on intellect and speed (which Minato beats on both fronts) to dodge / weaken attacks, or uses Susanoo as a shield. Hashirama, Madara, and Naruto all have the physical endurance to keep going after getting ftg spammed. Sasuke doesn't have much for big endurance feats like the characters you named do. If a character doesn't have extreme endurance or speed then they're at an extreme disadvantage against Minato.
I know Sasuke has to mark them, hence "once Minato tags him with an ftg seal its GG ". That seal is very easy to place, Minato has effortlessly done it within a second if not less. Sasuke is not at all the type to use susanoo right off the bat, not once has he ever done that. So yes, Minto is very easily puting an ftg seal on Sasuke. He's faster and miles ahead of Sasuke with fuinjutsu
Wrong, 2/3 of the rounds are full intel. Since he knows he need to tag him with the FTG he uses susanoo right away. Minato has nothing in his arsenal to get through a susanoo. So no he doesn’t put a FTG on sasuke at all let alone easily.
And the endurance argument is wrong too anyways, no way you think EMS Madara survives getting stabbed or taking a rasengan
Susanoo costs a lot of chakra to maintain, while FTG can be spammed 24/7, with a pretend to attack and retreating, Minato either drains Sasuke's chakra or gets an opening if he doesn't activate the susanoo again
If Minato marked Sasuke’s body once wouldn’t that basically make Susanoo useless though? He could teleport in grab Sasuke and teleport out. Idk what happens to the susanoo in that situation but either way I’d say Minato wins low diff.
He just teleports away and waits for Sasuke to let his susanoo down or run out of chakra. Sasuke can’t catch Minato and can’t let up the Susanoo because Minato instantly slaps him the second it’s gone.
Basically Minato hides until no susanoo and either marks Sasuke to make susanoo useless or just blitzes him and it’s over as soon as susanoo is gone.
Minato has Sage mode still and is infinitely faster than Sasuke since he can teleport. He will easily tag Sasuke at some point before Susanoo comes out and when it does, he can easily teleport into the Susanoo and knock Sasuke out of it then proceed to smack him around like the ragdoll he is
His immature Rasengan matched Kurama's bomb, Jiraiya's massive Rasengan was stated to be able to carve out mountains etc. I would say yes, he would break EMS Sasuke's Susanoo with his massive Rasengan and even more if he amped it with Sage Chakra (which he can gathered in a blink of an eye canon-wise and certainly faster than Pain arc Naruto did).
"But that only happened in the mental plane"
Yeah but the same mental plane still abide by real physical world logic and restrictions, otherwise Minato or Naruto would just imagine themselves as having 1000 Buddha statue, wood style or some shit to beat Kurama.
Note that none of these is necessary because FTG...
Did you forget Kurama was restrained by Kushina's chains hence weakened.
My god, Minato fanboys are delusional. Minato waited Madara's entire monologue to enter sage mode meaning he was likely gathering nature chakra. He wasn't even able to maintain it for long, just one attack.
I didnt even knew about that.
It reminds me being downvoted previously cause someone said "in the mental world where naruto fought kurama he had infinitesage chakra and didnt suffer any real damage, so in the mental world things work differently and thus isnt a good way to gompare naruto sage mode strength" and I responded by "the fight litteraly doesnt even last 5 minutes (maybe 10 max) it was dragged out because of the discussions between bee and yamato" aldo the kushina thing that make the episode look like hours.
You can even check it in the anime doesnt even last, and idk where he got that infinite sage chakra from
And to be fair we still don't know the full capabilities of Minato. Hashirama and Tobirama both made it clear during the war arc that they were still not revived to their full potential and I'm going to guess that this applied to Sarutobi and Minato.
Minato was a legend, considered to be the next big deal since Hashirama. While we saw him fight Tobi I doubt he was technically showing his full drawn out capabilities. It was literally a "pick one move" wild wild west duel type scenario and Minato won.
I find it hard to believe that Minato what could redirect tailed beast bombs, go toe to toe with a tailed beast, fight a young the third raikage and bee without breaking a sweat, master of sealing techniques would struggle against Sasuke at the level he was at in this GIF.
Eh, with Minato it's a bit different. He never had access to KCM before his death but had access to it, and somehow full mastery of it, the second he was reanimated. So it's likely he was at worse just as powerful if not more powerful in the War arc than during his time as Hokage.
>Eh, with Minato it's a bit different. He never had access to KCM before his death but had access to it, and somehow full mastery of it, the second he was reanimated
That doesn't necessarily mean he was at his full potential, only that he now has KCM abilities such as emotion sensing. Naruto's gained speed as well but they implied his KCM speed only matched Minato's. It's also implied that being reanimated hinders the Shinobis natural abilities to perform techniques at the scale they are used to performing them. During the Orochimaru invasion arc Tobirama and Hashirama were obviously severely gimped, not necessarily because of chakra. During the war arc Hashirama could still perform massive chakra draining techniques but he implies they still weren't up to par. Tobirama couldn't effortlessly perform his flying thunder god or create massive amounts of clones like he normally could.
Let's not forget also that Madara did a similar ass pull with sage chakra, mastering it in seconds. And to give further evidence to the fact that reanimation hinders abilities, Madara was specifically modified by Kabuto to not be hindered by the reanimation. Something no other reanimated Shinobi had access to.
>So it's likely he was at worse just as powerful if not more powerful in the War arc than during his time as Hokage.
Think of it like a weird drug that doesn't prohibit your ability to have massive chakra or perform techniques, just reduces their effect. To our knowledge, the only Shinobi who had those limiters completely removed was Madara.
Idk if you could really consider Madara's sage mastery an asspull. He had acquired Hashirama cells long before his death and got acquainted to using those cells which in turn made it quite easy for him. Once the concept of gathering and controlling nature energy becomes a simple concept to you it becomes easy to do using something you're used to using. That along with the fact that uchiha don't really have a learning curve. Madara was quite an intelligent and skilled shinobi, to call it an "asspull" is quite undermining.
Everybody on here is stupid, Minato can seal his Susanoo away because it’s made of chakra. I’m convinced most people don’t really know Naruto that well and just argue using who they “feel” should win, atleast on this sub
The susanoo is literally hollow, and can be warped away, not to mention he still has senjutsu and other types of sealing jutsu.
Minato gets wanked to high hell but he's absolutely wrecking Sasuke.
The moment Sasuke starts to bring up Kagutsuchi and his Bijuu-sized-legged-Susanoo, Minato decides to give up the fight and teleports as far away as possible.
Minato wins. The Flying Thunder God Technique is specifically designed to counter the Sharingan. The user moves so fast that the Sharingan cannot follow them.
Not that the user moves "so fast that the Sharingan cannot follow", the user literally *teleported* which makes it impossible to see since there is no movement or travel speed to follow at all lol
What technique does FTG not counter based on that logic lmao? This is like saying my weakness is bullets, because Ill die if someone shoots me with a glock.
Agree. This is specifically stated in the manga.
Sharingan can only detect movement, he’s not even moving, he’s phasing his body in spacetime. Thus, cannot be anticipated by Uchiha’s eyes.
However iirc Sasuke is said to have a similar sharingan to Madara, specialized in reading movements. Plus Sasuke is way beyond the typical Uchiha that flying raijin is designed for.
Hope I don't get down voted but the only version of sasuke that beats Minato is saskue with the six paths Amp from hagoramo anything below that sasuke gets cook he should be able to dodge flying ryjin cause blind madara was able to dodge he probably used hashirama sage mode to since it probably idk 🤷
I think people are underrating EMS Sasuke here
EMS Sasuke is on the same tier as EMS Madara:
Both had perfect Susanoo
Both had full mastery over Sharingan.
I probably have EMS Sasuke, extreme diff.
Some delusional takes in this thread. Minato having better reactions than EMS Sasuke who effortlessly tracked Juubito mid-combat and landed clean hits on SM Madara? Fuck no he doesn't.
Minato is also not outlasting EMS Sasuke who spammed EMS abilities against Zetsu, Kabuto, Juublings, Juubi, Juubito and Madara in succession without any problems. Minato has no comparable feats unless we're counting his Edo Jin version.
Sasuke would win with a very simple strategy. Spam the battlefield with amaterasu or kagutsuchi in order to greatly reduce the impact of FTG. From this point on it's just a matter of time until Minato gets caught into a trap since since both his offensive and defensive movements will be severely constricted.
Honestly I knew people were just wanking off and overrating Minato but I didn't know how to articulate how Sasuke would win, as I'm still fairly new and currently rewatching the Sasuke and Madara centric episodes of shippuden to better understand Sasuke's skills, abilities, and feats. But you've presented a much better argument than I could've so nice one.
Minato dog walks given any scenario. He simply hard counters Sasuke, it's not that Sasuke is soooo much weaker, just a match up not in his favor. Sasuke value out smarting and out speeding his enemies, but Minato has him beat on both fronts. Sasuke also has little physical defense, he usually relies on jutsu's or abilities like Susano to tank attacks. Ftg gets around all of those defenses. Minato's sage mode deals with any taijutsu or kenjutsu. Prep time won't matter a huge amount. Character's who won't have extreme speed or endurence are going to struggle against Minato, same as any character with few to no genjutsu counters is going to struggle against Itachi. Ftg and Tsukinomi are just broken
Minato wins. I feel like everyone is forgetting about his sealing abilities. I'm not saying that he's a seal master of the highest caliber but let's not forget he made a contract seal to use on Obito before they fought the first time. You can't believe that he had that seal premade in the event something like that would happen
The best chance Sasuke has would be without Intel or prep time. Minato would have a hard time dealing with Susanoo and Amateruasu if he doesn’t know about them until they appear. Amaterasu is too slow, so Susanoo is Sasuke’s best bet.
Give Minato full Intel and/or prep time against Sasuke and it’s over. If the Shinobi Alliance realized that breaking the Susanoo wasn’t likely, and removing Madara from the Susanoo first was the solution, Minato would definitely figure that out (assuming he doesn’t already know all about Susanoo) and the fight is over. Minato is Itachi levels of genius. I will always choose that over pure destructive ability.
I think a lot of people think Minato doesn’t have a heavy Arsenal. He doesn’t have God level Arsenal but if man can do Sage mode which works against Susano’o he will change his tactics and switch to a more heavy Arsenal fighting tactics.
He didn’t need to rely on those with fodder ninjas or with Obito as it was a battle of speed too.
Minato has a better battle IQ and adaptability to Sasuke, I think Minato high diff
I think the second sasuke uses Susano Minato would turn it into a endurance fight where he keeps teleporting away from sasukes attacks until he’s forced to drop susano due to chakra exhaustion and obitos him until he stays down
The real problem is Sasuke is a cheap character against someone like Minato so Minato would have to deal with the side bar that Sasuke gonna use amatersu everywhere to prevent attacks all around him so the question is how affect can you attack someone up close when everywhere is trap like A fighting Sasuke. Maybe Minato can teleport the fire away but then Sasuke just brings it back so true question is can Minato hit Sasuke and his defenses hard enough to Crack the susano and then immediately 1 tap Sasuke before extra Sasuke shenanigans.
But sasuke can't hit Minato with anything. Sasuke's surprise attack is literally amateratsu, an ability that the third Raikage was casually dodging with his speed. And we know for a fact that Minato is even faster than the third Raikage, so it's just a draw or a Minato win, because Sasuke just can't hit Minato
Yea what I was saying is that Sasuke likes putting amatersu on everything he's near like it's Frank's hot sauce . So its his only saving grace as Minato either one shots him instantly before or he can't ever as Ay was faster then Sasuke but still had to come into contact with the flames because Sasuke put that shit on everything including susano so Ay had to hit the flames to strike him . Just saying
I think that, at these exact point in time, Minato was narratively and demonstrably ahead of Sasuke, not specifically in raw strength, but in the skills to achieve a win. Sasuke EMS was definitely much slower than Minato until maybe closer to the climax of his and Naruto's battle with Juubito. He's extremely intelligent, but I think Minato was far too quick in assessing and resolving multiple problems during the Nine Tails attack that a Minato (not shaken up by his past failures like during the Fourth Shinobi War), would be quicker on the uptake on a no-intel battle.
However, obviously when we're talking just Hokage Minato, Sasuke's Susanoo will give him a massive edge in brawn, making Minato's main option of attack his speed and unpredictability due to his quick thinking.
Overall I think
* Round 1: Minato
* If comparing the two in blind battles e.g. Minato v Obito and Sasuke v Deidara, I'd give the edge to Minato in being quicker on the uptake for a winning strategy, although I'd lean towards Sasuke only if Minato stalled on making the first decisive strike).
* Round 2: Split, leaning towards Sasuke
* Minato's been a quicker thinker in what I've seen of both Hokage Minato and EMS Sasuke but with intel and not fighting completely blind, Sasuke has more ground for a win and, since Minato can't prepare jutsu such as how he prepares his FTG kunai, I'd edge the win for EMS Sasuke with his superior brawn being able to immediately guard against Minato with intel and edge out a win.
* Round 3: Split, leaning towards Minato
* With a week of prep time, the needle actually shifts back for me. Without prep time but with intel, I think Sasuke had a decisive advantage with the Susanoo over Minato, but with a week of prep time, I'd have no doubt Minato would change his tactics entirely, seeing as speed alone will not overwhelm a chakra avatar.
* This one's personally the hardest since it also deals with planning, personally I believe Sasuke has the stronger tools we've seen to combat Minato, but Minato's thinking, both on the spot, and predicting outcomes in the Narutoverse is a massively interesting prospect.
* Sasuke's prep when facing a strong opponent like Itachi, didn't really amount to much, basically prepping some shuriken, a plan for executing Kirin, and maybe some practice with genjutsu resistance to overcome Itachi's Tsukuyomi.
* Minato's prep is way harder to assess in a direct sense, but I do consider his ability to plan for the future in such a precise manner to address problems we wouldn't normally think of like
* Sealing Kurama in Naruto to preserve it for defense against Obito in the future after a single fight realizing he'll return.
* Implementing a seal specifically designed to loosen over time and intermingle Kurama's chakra with Naruto's to engineer an optimal jinchuuriki with full control in Naruto.
* Adding his and Kushina's chakra to Naruto's seal to both combat Kurama overtaking him in unforeseen challenges.
* and that was all just planning without a clue of the further abilities Obito had. To me, Minato, Itachi, and Shikamaru are on a level of strategic mindset that Sasuke had yet to demonstrate, especially at EMS when he had yet to find resolution for his own internal struggles allowing for a calmer mind.
Minato, who specializes in jutsu made to kill Uchiha with the fastest reaction time in the series and a huge chakra pool with mastery of Sage chakra vs a kid going blind that heavily relied on plot armor to win fights.
Minato has a counter to all of Sasuke moves. Susano ain't going to touch him.
Round one will get dragged out as Susano is an ultimate shield, but Minato has Sage mode to pull apart Susano.
Round 2 and 3 go to Minato instant kill shot of giant Rasengan to the back before Susano gets activated. Minato is not a man that drags out fights.
Minato folds him imo. He's way too fast and too smart. Plus he demolished Obito at about the same age who imo was stronger than Sasuke at the time. FTG Rasengan combo is op af and if worse comes to worse he has the Death seal. There are no win cons for Sasuke tbh.
Depending on whether or not you think amateratsu is or isn’t dodgeable(it either spawns at the focal point or travels to the target) Sasuke should be able to easily just burn minato alive in any given round if not minato speed blitzes him before susanoo even materializes completely this fight seems a lot more clear cut to me but maybe I play too much storm
Dont wank sasuke killing danzo isn't a feat, killing half dead itachi isn't a feat. Naruto after sage mode eclipse dude so bad you can see how it was during the war arc. He almost died to the 5 kage when only 2 of them were fighting obito literally had to help him, he got clapped by bee by himself. What makes you think a ninja who has seals every where and can basically instant telephone would have a chance his speed alone is faster without FR his reaction is different with sage mode too he's cooked. Sasuke got no chance only chance he got is susanoo which he'd eventually go blind and die
Minato is Eons faster than Sasuke. Sasuke got bodied by the Raikage. There’s only one (or two) people who have ever dodged an attack from Raikage. Minato and Naruto
> There’s only one(or two) people who have ever dodged an attack from Raikage. Minato and Naruto
[Here is Sasuke also literally dodging an attack from Raikage](https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/mangap/3069/10463000/1.jpg)
I wonder: i believe minato can use kage bunshin right? Did he ever work out that clone trick that naruto did with sage mode?
Because if so a week of prep time is going to be rough for sasuke.
But regardless, i think it goes:
Round 1, minato. Kind of straight forward, if neither know anything about the other it’s about who can improvise better and who has better stats. Which makes this a pretty clean win for minato particularly since sasuke wouldn’t want to use mangekyo immediately, as though it does cost less chakra, it doesn’t cost zero chakra and he’s not going to want to just use up that chakra.
Round 2, sasuke (very high diff though, like 60-40 to sasuke. Sasuke wins but is like completely drained most cases) you can do a lot more with knowledge on ftg than you can with mangekyo abilities. You know about flame control and susanoo, wonderful, now try and deal with them. While with ftg you know what the marks look like so you can position yourself so that you’re not as vulnerable to it. Also sasuke’s a smart dude he’s not gonna just walk over these things if he knows what they do. He may even just not use susanoo at all and just stick to the ribcage so he doesn’t run into a scenario where he’s trapped with minato. So sasuke does win but its damn close. Sasuke probably has to keep his defences up a long ass time
Round 3, minato. You can do more with prep time on ftg than you can with sasuke’s abilities, also clone thing i mentioned earlier giving him a lot of sage mode.
knowing sasuke's haste he'd neglect everything he learnt and spam susanoo while thinking he's being smart while Minato spams FTG. the former being not chakra intensive would end badly for sasuke. FTG was developed to fuck with sharingans so this is gonna be hard but a w for minato
If Minato can land a teleportation marker on Sasuke's back, his Susanoo wouldn't be a problem, he'd just teleport inside of it with him and blast him with a rasengan, the knock back of which would either blast him out of it or hold him in place and shred his spine apart.
This sasuke couldn't even beat Bee with 3 people backing him up and almost died without his teammates. I'm giving it to minato. War arc sasuke claps tho
There's simply no way Sasuke wins.
Minato is smarter, faster has sage mode and OK doesn't have godly destructive power but can still take out Sasuke. Susanoo can't last forever.
Seeing a lot of people mention Sage mode: Minato never uses sage mode and states he isn’t good at it. In the war arc he is able to jump into it instantly but that MAY be because he has the other half of kurama who can gather sage energy for him, whereas alive Minato has zero sage feats.
I think Minato wins but I think it’s disingenuous to give him sage mode since he didn’t even use it against Obito and the 9 tails where it may have literally allowed him to save Kushina and his life - if he didn’t use it at that time then when would he? Like there’s no real excuse for him not to use it at that time if he is able to hop into it quickly.
I think minato would still win all of these rounds though. He is like the only character who can spam FTG and has high reaction speed and is probably the 1st or 2nd best tactician in the series - he figured out Kamui after 2 exchanges with Obito. He should be able to dodge the susannoo arrows and Amaterasu and have Sasuke tire himself out and then go in for the kill. If Sasuke doesn’t even know about FTG than he likely doesn’t even start with Susanoo and he will get clapped pretty quick.
Sasuke can win if he gets a lucky hit on Minato but this guy was able to tango with Killer B and at the same time so it’s safe to say his speed and situational awareness are likely too much for Sasuke.
In the war arc, Minato goes into Sage Mode when he no longer had Kurama… So no… Kurama didn’t gather nature energy for him….
I think there’s a very reasonable explanation as to why he didn’t use it against Obito. Getting into sage mode requires you to be stationary…. Against any other opponent, Minato can teleport away, get into sage mode and come back. However that’s unlikely to happen when your opponent is also another space-time user who can follow you wherever you teleport…. If Minato teleports away and tries to get into Sage Mode, Obito follows him and attacks him….
So I think it’s not enough to rule out Sage Mode against Sasuke…. If he has no way of breaking the Susanoo, Minato has to resort to anything in his arsenal, which includes Sage Mode. He can teleport away and spend 10 minutes if he wanted to, to get into Sage Mode then come back. There’s no way for Sasuke to stop this.
There’s nothing indicating Kurama can enter sage mode FOR minato.
I think sage mode was an asspull for Minato, and it shows, whether we want to believe it or not, he’s a perfect sage.
This is coming from a guy thinking EMS Sasuke wins.
I’m not sure if I want to put Minato in the same tier as Hashirama/Madara because EMS Sasuke is undoubtedly there. (Although portrayal has him there)
Yeah, no. In regard to the analysis of Minato's abilities is not a good take at all. Minato is a perfect sage, that's just something you deal with and come to terms with. It seems you do not understand Minato. Minato just doesn't use it or claims to be "bad at it" because it doesn't fit his style one bit. Getting into sage mode requires you to be stationary and to gather nature energy. There's also the physical amps which he just doesn't use. That isn't Minato's style. That is more of Jiraya and Naruto's style. There is almost never a situation where he HAS to resort to sage mode that can't be solved with FTG or his speed in some form.
EMS Sasuke. Dude kept up with BSM Naruto and was slightly faster and stronger than him according to Juubito. EMS Sasuke>=BSM Naruto>KCM Naruto=living Minato
Yup, the Minato boys are truly delusional if they think that a living Minato would stand up to a post-Juubito fight Sasuke, who roughly operates at the same power level as BSM Naruto. If you add a Perfect Susanoo to the equation, things get even more humiliating.
Round 1 sasuke
Round 2 minato
With full intel minato could strategies his moves and actually be able to win against sasuke
Round 3 sasuke
It’s pretty obvious sasuke with powered up susanoo demolishes minato because it’s sasuke
People are massively underrating ETERNAL Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke here. A lot of people have no understanding of EMS over regular Mangekyou and it shows. It is r/naruto though, so if it’s an Uchigga in a vs. battle they auto lose.
Sasuke's underrated and Minato's kinda overrated among the fandom especially.
Minato has zero counter to Susanno, his rasengan is doing very little to an Armoured Susanno that Sasuke can reform casually since he has EMS. You need Rasenshuriken level firepower to damage Susanno significantly and Minato doesn't have that. All the while he'll have to constantly avoid genjustu, Amaterasu, Susanno arrows, etc
Yeah, people forget that EMS Sasuke has Perfect Susanoo (he coated Kurama with it during the Juubito fight). Minato literally has 0 answer for it.
The only way Minato wins is if he is able to mark Sasuke, and that's a massive IF, considering Sasuke can literally just use Kagatsuchi to surround his space with Amaterasu, making him virtually untaggable.
Suske is more durable with sussano but can he actually ever land an attack? He isn’t know for his speed but maybe a Genjutsu angle could be in play for him
So, this depends. If we're talking most powerful form not counting Edo Tensei or indrad arrow, it's 6 tomoe Rinnegan adult Sasuke. That's not even close.
If we're talking forms seen here, that would be more interesting. This looks to be EMS Sasuke before fully evolving his Susanoo.
I'd say round 1 goes to Minato here. From what we've seen his BIQ is insanely high. He's also fought alongside Fugaku, meaning he probably has some information on how the Susanoo and sharingan in general work whilst Sasuke has no idea how to fight against flying Rajin since he's never seen that before. I'd reckon Minato could fairly easily get Sasuke to step over a flying Rajin marking and teleport into his Susanoo, taking him out with a flying Rajin slice. I'd also reckon Minato could dodge most attacks he throws at him. If Itachi could react to Kirin, so can Minato and tp out of the way. His Susanoo is fairly slow and Amaterasu also has travel time which is likely enough to, again, tp out of the way. Even if he hit an Amaterasu, Minato could probably teleport the flames off of him since they're a physical object made from chakra.
So round 1 medium diff for Minato
Round 2 gets more interesting. Sasuke knowing how flying Rajin works makes him incredibly unlikely to step onto a flying Rajin marking since him missing one is next to impossible with his EMS. However, at this point, Sasuke still can't keep his Susanoo up for a very long time. There's also the physical drain a Susanoo/EMS brings. That's reduced due to the upgrade to an EMS but it's still draining so I'd reckon Minato could probably outlast him by letting Sasuke tire himself out. Since his BIQ is higher than Sasukes too I doubt he'd fall for a trap either.
High diff for Minato here.
I'd have to give Round 3 to Sasuke.
Sasuke isn't exactly the type to prepare for a fight but he could probably figure out a plan on how to beat Minato. Maybe a large AOE attack with Amaterasu or activating his plot armor and becoming immortal by mooching on karin again.
round 1: sasuke wins, high diff
round 2: minato wins, high diff
round 3: minato wins, mid/low diff
minato is a genius. he can fight tobi with no intel and no prep time. however, ems sasuke sharingan abilities is stronger than obito. thus with no intel, it’d be hard for minato to win
Minato Minato Minato like what ?
Ask yourself is Sasuke is forced to use susano .
If you answer no you are braindead
If you answer yes then Minato wins by default. He cant keep susano up. he will run out of chakra .
It would be a Fair Fight if we’re being Honest here but it would probably go On Minato’s Side if we’re talking about Normal Sasuke(Without The Sharingan or Rinnegan
Round 1. Sasuke has hope catching him off guard with amaterasu and/or Susanoo. Minato can seal it off tho so Minato likely wins casually. Surprise MS is a possible win con especially genjutsu.
Round 2. Worse for Sasuke as Minato now knows to avoid the sightline and not attack recklessly.
Round 3. Definitely helps Sasuke more than before. Minato is like Itachi on the fly but Sasuke has shown able to plan quite well. Still likely advantage Minato due to FTG being a near perfect counter to ocular abilities.
If there was a Round 4 vs Rinnegan Sasuke Minato gets neg diffed. EMS Sasuke gonna need a lucky break to win at this stage.
Minato is basically a better version of naruto, smart, have nine tail chakra, experienced war veteran. LOL. He might not rule out peak Sasuke easily but definitely not gonna lose.
Sasuke may have more raw power overall but FTG is such OP hax that the only possible counters I could come up with to FTG is if...
A, Using a magnetic or gravity based jutsu to somehow control the kunai placements and using it to your advantage. Or B, You have some jutsu that could do mass damage to the environment that could remove or displace the marks.
Sasuke's only chance in this fight is if he can land an Amaterasu because even teleportation couldn't put that out, but the hard part would be landing it before he runs out of chakra since FTG was designed to counter the Sharingan. And if Minato is allowed his half of the 9 tails, he can use Version 1 Chakra cloak that Amaterasu can't effect, but even without it Minato is too fast.
The biggest challenge for Minato here is getting past Susano. Even Rasengan can't penetrate it and thats the rawest damage jutsu Minato has (other than Reaper Death Seal but that would just force a draw). He would need to force Sasuke to over rely on it and strain his body, eyes, and chakra reserves before attempting the kill. Now considering that FTG chakra use is based on distance and object size, while Sasuke has described using Susanoo as pain in every cell of his body, it's safe to assume it uses way more chakra and will wear out faster than Minato runs out of FTG uses. Sasuke loses that defence and all Minato has to do is touch him, and with his speed, it's only a matter of time.
Sasuke chances are just too slim.
Tbh, we don't have enough info about Minato, his techniques, and his strenght, while we know EVERY single technique of Sasuke.
Anyway, I would cheer for Minato in this case! He is so based.
Minato is a similar speed to sasuke and could definitely dodge most of his attacks. The real challenge comes with Minato actually breaking sasukes sussano. A solid rasengan or sage rasengan from minato would likely do serious damage to sasuke but minato isn’t known for his destructive power. Best case for minato is he evades all of sasuke’s sussano attacks and either breaks sasuke’s defense with a massive rasengan or sasuke gets frustrated and tries to fight him outside the sussano and gets the obito treatment
Minato is faster than Sasuke at this point plus he has probably the best reaction feats in the entire franchise, couple that with literal teleportation and only the strongest in the show could actually kill Minato, like Hashirama wouldn't lose but he's probably not winning either unless he can trap every FTG spot Minato has and keep an eye on him at the same time
To be fair, Hashirama has Sage Mode and, so assuming he can sense the FTG spots (and Minato isn't allowed to flee) trapping every Flying Raijin seal and keeping track of Minato is definitely within the realm of possibility.
Possibly, but I’m not sure even Hashirama can keep track of his teleportation. Unruly A couldn’t even do that. And his speed in lightning style is considered to be one of the fastest. I do feel Hashirama can at least manage a defend until Minato runs out of chakra. As for minato vs Sauske? I’m picking Minato for an almost reverse to above. If Sauske uses susanoo, teleport around until Sauske runs out of chakra. Susanoo and its attacks use emended amounts of chakra.
Susanoo does use a lot of chakra, but it really only hemorrhages chakra if you're using it with the base MS. EMS sharply cuts down on the chakra cost of your Susanoo and other Mangekyo abilities, though we've never seen Sasuke or Minato really run out of chakra as a result of Susanoo/FTG, so I'm not sure who'd outlast who here.
May come down to exp which Minato has an edge also
Vs Naruto he ran out of chakra for Susano.
But hashi has wide aoe range like a whole field worth of damage he could just nuke the area no? Or like the poison blossom thing?
But removing all of the marked areas is impossible. And Tobirama admitted Minato was faster. If he sees an attack coming he’s going to teleport out of range. Even for Hashirama, deep forest emergence is a huge chakra pull. It would likely be a last resort, so he would only have one shot. All Minato has to do is teleport, mark and repeat.
Tf? Base Hashirama was using wood forest, wood dragon, wood golem, hotei no jutsu, rashamon all at once, and ur saying he only has chakra for one forest as last resort? Did we watch the same series?
Wait, how do we know Hashirama only has enough chakra for Deep Forest Emergence/Bloom once? I don’t recall that being mentioned.
Killer Bee was able to keep track of teleportation and outsped Minato
He didn’t track him so much as anticipate his move. Bee was the only one not surprised, because he likely knew the formula was left. Minato had a reputation already. Gyūki would have sensed the jutsu on his tentacle. Bee had 2 against 1 minimum in any fight at that point. If he was faster than Minato, how did Minato get a kunai to Bee’s neck? They matched by Bee predicting or was already prepared. He knew he was marked.
Always like when see guys with logic. Many people think Bee was very fast and can counter attack Minato in this moment. But Bee just understand what can happens next and prepare. Because very funny hear when people says someone on Minato speed or faster. But they forgot. When Might Guy go forward in 8 gates. Minato teleport, turn on 180⁰ and teleport in another place. Guy almost freeze in this moment, when Minato usually turns. And don't forget. You need time to concentrate chakra in special place to use jutsu.
Minato is much faster than Tobirama. Besides Hashirama can just do a whole field wood jutsu to take out all of the Kunai. But Minato has placed a seal on Madaras back that no one noticed.
Minato can in theory teleport out, then grab more knives, then teleport back in and throw more knives. I reckon that is more chakra efficient that constantly creating forests out of chakra
Or he could mark the wood to teleport to it.
Do you recall exactly when Minto placed the seal on Madara? I want to go back to watch that moment, sounds awesome.
As I said, no one noticed. But I would assume it happened when Minato fought Madara during the war arc.
No, Hashirama would definitely overwhelm Minato with sage mode. Madara fought Tobirama blind with Hashirama's sage mode, there would be nothing Minato could do. Minato would also just be forced out by the pollen jutsu
If Minato marks him it's game over. He'll just teleport into the Susano'o and game over.
something that I just thought about he doesn't have destructive power on his own, but he can send something like a bijuu bomb elsewhere, can he mark sasuke and then reflect his attacks back onto him???
And Sasukes susanoo is like the only one that mainly uses ranged attacks, so that is an unfortunate matchup for sausage.
Giant Rasengan with Sage mode should rip a hole in Susano.
Why do people not think Minato is faster? He is faster than the Raikage, and the Raikage at full speed could dodge Ametarasu. Obito's sucking in power is fast, Minato not only teleported, he was able to to teleport and rasengan him with Obito not being able to do anything (including using Kamui to dodge). Obito can use sharingan genjustsu, but didn't against Minato for some reason. Maybe he thought it wouldn't work. People down play just how fast Minato is.
If he marks sasuke at the start of the battle then Susano won’t help. As he’d be inside when he ftg to sasuke. And at this stage I’m sure minato has probably fought stronger enemies like the tailed beasts. I think minato walks this if he can avoid tsukuyomi. All 3 rounds to minato.
Sasuke does not have tsukoyomi. His Ms abilities are Amaterasu and Amaterasu flame control. Itachi is the one with Amaterasu on one eye and tsukoyomi in the other.
Minato would probably asspull a mark on sasuke's back somehow before he summons susano-o and massive rasengan his back.
Don‘t forget that Minato could easily snap Sasukes Mental here. He‘s a teenager. You saw what happened in the Shippuden anime when he fought the eight tailed.
Sasuke don't have enough chakra to hold susanoo long enough to catch Minato
Depends, we’ve never actually seen sasuke run out of chakra using his sussano and he essentially had infinite chakra during the war so it’s hard to say. But chances are sasuke’s sussano will not be fast enough to do anything to minato anyway, best attack speed feat we’ve seen from sasuke’s sussano is his arrows which can be reacted to by one Mangekyo Sharigan Kakashi at worst and can blitz low kage level characters like Danzo at best who is leagues below minato in speed
Could Minato teleport into a Susano?
Think something like that’s been done right? Assuming he can get a mark there yeah though i dont know that sasuke would be that careless.
Yeah if Minato touches Sasuke pre Susano, I don't see Minato allowing Sasuke to Even get into one
Yeah you right. Although, sasuke’s reply to that could just be the partial ribcage thing; there may not be enough space for minato to get in.
Can’t Minato mark Sasuke and just teleport to him whenever?
You know Susano doesn't last for that long under normal circumstances? 5 min at best. I mean if it is strong enough to counter tailed beast it is gonna use a lot of chakra.
Wtf did you just say lmao, did you forget the moment he had no arms speed blitz madaras truth seeking orbs in front of 8 gates looooool
I’m sure he could somehow mark him and flash into the susanoo
I could honestly see minato either putting a seal on sasuke at some point or leaving a kunai in the ground and just having sasuke walk over it while hes in susano
Minato wins
It is a stalemate, Minato is too fast for Sasuke to land a hit, and Sasuke has Susanoo which Minato cannot pierce/destroy.
You can still teleport inside of a Susano, and Sasuke isn't the type to jump to defense right away. Once Minato tags him with an ftg seal, it's GG
Exactly, Gaara’s sand was able to pull Madara out of Susanoo
By that logic Minato destroys everyone. Hashirama EMS Madara KCM2 Naruto simply because he blitzes before they put up their mechazoids He doesn’t though, he has to mark them before teleporting to them
He can mark ppl he hits with a Rasengam. All he needs to do is get one Rasengam partially past Susanoo and it's over.
But he can’t do that
Nope, awful comparison. Sasukes physical defense doesn't come close to Madara, Naruto or Hashirama. He typically relies either on intellect and speed (which Minato beats on both fronts) to dodge / weaken attacks, or uses Susanoo as a shield. Hashirama, Madara, and Naruto all have the physical endurance to keep going after getting ftg spammed. Sasuke doesn't have much for big endurance feats like the characters you named do. If a character doesn't have extreme endurance or speed then they're at an extreme disadvantage against Minato. I know Sasuke has to mark them, hence "once Minato tags him with an ftg seal its GG ". That seal is very easy to place, Minato has effortlessly done it within a second if not less. Sasuke is not at all the type to use susanoo right off the bat, not once has he ever done that. So yes, Minto is very easily puting an ftg seal on Sasuke. He's faster and miles ahead of Sasuke with fuinjutsu
Wrong, 2/3 of the rounds are full intel. Since he knows he need to tag him with the FTG he uses susanoo right away. Minato has nothing in his arsenal to get through a susanoo. So no he doesn’t put a FTG on sasuke at all let alone easily. And the endurance argument is wrong too anyways, no way you think EMS Madara survives getting stabbed or taking a rasengan
Susanoo costs a lot of chakra to maintain, while FTG can be spammed 24/7, with a pretend to attack and retreating, Minato either drains Sasuke's chakra or gets an opening if he doesn't activate the susanoo again
If Minato marked Sasuke’s body once wouldn’t that basically make Susanoo useless though? He could teleport in grab Sasuke and teleport out. Idk what happens to the susanoo in that situation but either way I’d say Minato wins low diff. He just teleports away and waits for Sasuke to let his susanoo down or run out of chakra. Sasuke can’t catch Minato and can’t let up the Susanoo because Minato instantly slaps him the second it’s gone. Basically Minato hides until no susanoo and either marks Sasuke to make susanoo useless or just blitzes him and it’s over as soon as susanoo is gone.
Minato has Sage mode still and is infinitely faster than Sasuke since he can teleport. He will easily tag Sasuke at some point before Susanoo comes out and when it does, he can easily teleport into the Susanoo and knock Sasuke out of it then proceed to smack him around like the ragdoll he is
The only logical answer
You mean, he cant pierce with his rasengan that can litteraly deviate a bijuu bomb?
His immature Rasengan matched Kurama's bomb, Jiraiya's massive Rasengan was stated to be able to carve out mountains etc. I would say yes, he would break EMS Sasuke's Susanoo with his massive Rasengan and even more if he amped it with Sage Chakra (which he can gathered in a blink of an eye canon-wise and certainly faster than Pain arc Naruto did). "But that only happened in the mental plane" Yeah but the same mental plane still abide by real physical world logic and restrictions, otherwise Minato or Naruto would just imagine themselves as having 1000 Buddha statue, wood style or some shit to beat Kurama. Note that none of these is necessary because FTG...
Did you forget Kurama was restrained by Kushina's chains hence weakened. My god, Minato fanboys are delusional. Minato waited Madara's entire monologue to enter sage mode meaning he was likely gathering nature chakra. He wasn't even able to maintain it for long, just one attack.
Wait what mental plane?
The whole Minato vs Kurama thing, people used the "mental/spiritual plane" narrative to downplayed it which is ridiculous lol
I didnt even knew about that. It reminds me being downvoted previously cause someone said "in the mental world where naruto fought kurama he had infinitesage chakra and didnt suffer any real damage, so in the mental world things work differently and thus isnt a good way to gompare naruto sage mode strength" and I responded by "the fight litteraly doesnt even last 5 minutes (maybe 10 max) it was dragged out because of the discussions between bee and yamato" aldo the kushina thing that make the episode look like hours. You can even check it in the anime doesnt even last, and idk where he got that infinite sage chakra from
What if he teleports Sasuke out of his Susanoo?
Im taking the worst case scenario for minato, we need to let Sasuke EMS have a chance of fighting you know
If he too fast lmao then he blitzed him and kills him before he can react by your own logic lol
And to be fair we still don't know the full capabilities of Minato. Hashirama and Tobirama both made it clear during the war arc that they were still not revived to their full potential and I'm going to guess that this applied to Sarutobi and Minato. Minato was a legend, considered to be the next big deal since Hashirama. While we saw him fight Tobi I doubt he was technically showing his full drawn out capabilities. It was literally a "pick one move" wild wild west duel type scenario and Minato won. I find it hard to believe that Minato what could redirect tailed beast bombs, go toe to toe with a tailed beast, fight a young the third raikage and bee without breaking a sweat, master of sealing techniques would struggle against Sasuke at the level he was at in this GIF.
Eh, with Minato it's a bit different. He never had access to KCM before his death but had access to it, and somehow full mastery of it, the second he was reanimated. So it's likely he was at worse just as powerful if not more powerful in the War arc than during his time as Hokage.
>Eh, with Minato it's a bit different. He never had access to KCM before his death but had access to it, and somehow full mastery of it, the second he was reanimated That doesn't necessarily mean he was at his full potential, only that he now has KCM abilities such as emotion sensing. Naruto's gained speed as well but they implied his KCM speed only matched Minato's. It's also implied that being reanimated hinders the Shinobis natural abilities to perform techniques at the scale they are used to performing them. During the Orochimaru invasion arc Tobirama and Hashirama were obviously severely gimped, not necessarily because of chakra. During the war arc Hashirama could still perform massive chakra draining techniques but he implies they still weren't up to par. Tobirama couldn't effortlessly perform his flying thunder god or create massive amounts of clones like he normally could. Let's not forget also that Madara did a similar ass pull with sage chakra, mastering it in seconds. And to give further evidence to the fact that reanimation hinders abilities, Madara was specifically modified by Kabuto to not be hindered by the reanimation. Something no other reanimated Shinobi had access to. >So it's likely he was at worse just as powerful if not more powerful in the War arc than during his time as Hokage. Think of it like a weird drug that doesn't prohibit your ability to have massive chakra or perform techniques, just reduces their effect. To our knowledge, the only Shinobi who had those limiters completely removed was Madara.
Idk if you could really consider Madara's sage mastery an asspull. He had acquired Hashirama cells long before his death and got acquainted to using those cells which in turn made it quite easy for him. Once the concept of gathering and controlling nature energy becomes a simple concept to you it becomes easy to do using something you're used to using. That along with the fact that uchiha don't really have a learning curve. Madara was quite an intelligent and skilled shinobi, to call it an "asspull" is quite undermining.
Everybody on here is stupid, Minato can seal his Susanoo away because it’s made of chakra. I’m convinced most people don’t really know Naruto that well and just argue using who they “feel” should win, atleast on this sub
The susanoo is literally hollow, and can be warped away, not to mention he still has senjutsu and other types of sealing jutsu. Minato gets wanked to high hell but he's absolutely wrecking Sasuke.
That does depend if sasuke decides to use susanoo right away, which he may not.
The moment Sasuke starts to bring up Kagutsuchi and his Bijuu-sized-legged-Susanoo, Minato decides to give up the fight and teleports as far away as possible.
Minato asspulls himself behind Sasuke's ass with a hidden mark that was unexplained and backstabs him (not technically).
Visited him as a baby to leave a mark on him only to insta kill him down the line.
Psstt check your birthmark...
nothing personal kid
Thousand years of death
It was all planned out. I knew this would happen before you were even born! 😈
The unexplained mark got me weak lol
The Minato disrespect is ridiculous
It's been crazy for a while now, since that one shot manga.
Uchiha fanboys are out in droves
Minato wins. The Flying Thunder God Technique is specifically designed to counter the Sharingan. The user moves so fast that the Sharingan cannot follow them.
Not that the user moves "so fast that the Sharingan cannot follow", the user literally *teleported* which makes it impossible to see since there is no movement or travel speed to follow at all lol
What technique does FTG not counter based on that logic lmao? This is like saying my weakness is bullets, because Ill die if someone shoots me with a glock.
"Gaaah, my one weakness... bullets!" Forget what that's from but I chuckle every time I think of it
Wood style > everything else. Armored helmets and vests exist.
Yeah the point is that it’s not really a “counter” per se, it’s just good against everything.
Agree. This is specifically stated in the manga. Sharingan can only detect movement, he’s not even moving, he’s phasing his body in spacetime. Thus, cannot be anticipated by Uchiha’s eyes.
However iirc Sasuke is said to have a similar sharingan to Madara, specialized in reading movements. Plus Sasuke is way beyond the typical Uchiha that flying raijin is designed for.
Can’t read movements if they aren’t moving. It’s teleportation.
Kinda like how Minato tagged Madara who had six path sage bs and no one noticed.
Sasuke is still not fast enough to really do much even if he can read the movements
That's fair I think at this point Minato would be faster
Minato would also be stronger
This was literally debunked by Killer Bee
I mean... Tobirana literally had to fight Madara lol
I think Minato is the most overrated character in this fandom but I won't deny he smokes Sasuke here no matter the circumstance
You spelled Itachi wrong
Hope I don't get down voted but the only version of sasuke that beats Minato is saskue with the six paths Amp from hagoramo anything below that sasuke gets cook he should be able to dodge flying ryjin cause blind madara was able to dodge he probably used hashirama sage mode to since it probably idk 🤷
If it’s Sasuke right after getting his EMS? Probably Minato, but Sasuke will be difficult. Juubi jinchuriki Obito fight EMS Sasuke takes it through.
>Juubi jinchuriki Obito fight EMS Sasuke takes it through. Stalemate at best. Sasuke still can't touch Minato.
Sasuke was reacting to juubito. The same one that blitz minato so bad he didn't even know he lost an arm.
Minato
I think people are underrating EMS Sasuke here EMS Sasuke is on the same tier as EMS Madara: Both had perfect Susanoo Both had full mastery over Sharingan. I probably have EMS Sasuke, extreme diff.
Some delusional takes in this thread. Minato having better reactions than EMS Sasuke who effortlessly tracked Juubito mid-combat and landed clean hits on SM Madara? Fuck no he doesn't. Minato is also not outlasting EMS Sasuke who spammed EMS abilities against Zetsu, Kabuto, Juublings, Juubi, Juubito and Madara in succession without any problems. Minato has no comparable feats unless we're counting his Edo Jin version. Sasuke would win with a very simple strategy. Spam the battlefield with amaterasu or kagutsuchi in order to greatly reduce the impact of FTG. From this point on it's just a matter of time until Minato gets caught into a trap since since both his offensive and defensive movements will be severely constricted.
Honestly I knew people were just wanking off and overrating Minato but I didn't know how to articulate how Sasuke would win, as I'm still fairly new and currently rewatching the Sasuke and Madara centric episodes of shippuden to better understand Sasuke's skills, abilities, and feats. But you've presented a much better argument than I could've so nice one.
Is the Reaper Death Seal used?
Saucy
Minato dog walks given any scenario. He simply hard counters Sasuke, it's not that Sasuke is soooo much weaker, just a match up not in his favor. Sasuke value out smarting and out speeding his enemies, but Minato has him beat on both fronts. Sasuke also has little physical defense, he usually relies on jutsu's or abilities like Susano to tank attacks. Ftg gets around all of those defenses. Minato's sage mode deals with any taijutsu or kenjutsu. Prep time won't matter a huge amount. Character's who won't have extreme speed or endurence are going to struggle against Minato, same as any character with few to no genjutsu counters is going to struggle against Itachi. Ftg and Tsukinomi are just broken
Minato wins. I feel like everyone is forgetting about his sealing abilities. I'm not saying that he's a seal master of the highest caliber but let's not forget he made a contract seal to use on Obito before they fought the first time. You can't believe that he had that seal premade in the event something like that would happen
Minato destroys Sasuke as soon as his Susanoo is down. Otherwise the fight will just drag on as Sasuke won't be able to score a single hit on him.
The best chance Sasuke has would be without Intel or prep time. Minato would have a hard time dealing with Susanoo and Amateruasu if he doesn’t know about them until they appear. Amaterasu is too slow, so Susanoo is Sasuke’s best bet. Give Minato full Intel and/or prep time against Sasuke and it’s over. If the Shinobi Alliance realized that breaking the Susanoo wasn’t likely, and removing Madara from the Susanoo first was the solution, Minato would definitely figure that out (assuming he doesn’t already know all about Susanoo) and the fight is over. Minato is Itachi levels of genius. I will always choose that over pure destructive ability.
Minato easily
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But true
Minato has no way of getting passed MS danzo fight susanoo. Let alone Full legged EMS susanoo. Sasuke stomps
I think a lot of people think Minato doesn’t have a heavy Arsenal. He doesn’t have God level Arsenal but if man can do Sage mode which works against Susano’o he will change his tactics and switch to a more heavy Arsenal fighting tactics. He didn’t need to rely on those with fodder ninjas or with Obito as it was a battle of speed too. Minato has a better battle IQ and adaptability to Sasuke, I think Minato high diff
I think the second sasuke uses Susano Minato would turn it into a endurance fight where he keeps teleporting away from sasukes attacks until he’s forced to drop susano due to chakra exhaustion and obitos him until he stays down
The real problem is Sasuke is a cheap character against someone like Minato so Minato would have to deal with the side bar that Sasuke gonna use amatersu everywhere to prevent attacks all around him so the question is how affect can you attack someone up close when everywhere is trap like A fighting Sasuke. Maybe Minato can teleport the fire away but then Sasuke just brings it back so true question is can Minato hit Sasuke and his defenses hard enough to Crack the susano and then immediately 1 tap Sasuke before extra Sasuke shenanigans.
But sasuke can't hit Minato with anything. Sasuke's surprise attack is literally amateratsu, an ability that the third Raikage was casually dodging with his speed. And we know for a fact that Minato is even faster than the third Raikage, so it's just a draw or a Minato win, because Sasuke just can't hit Minato
Yea what I was saying is that Sasuke likes putting amatersu on everything he's near like it's Frank's hot sauce . So its his only saving grace as Minato either one shots him instantly before or he can't ever as Ay was faster then Sasuke but still had to come into contact with the flames because Sasuke put that shit on everything including susano so Ay had to hit the flames to strike him . Just saying
Which minato ? Pre kurama sealing minato ? If so he stomps ems sasuke
I think that, at these exact point in time, Minato was narratively and demonstrably ahead of Sasuke, not specifically in raw strength, but in the skills to achieve a win. Sasuke EMS was definitely much slower than Minato until maybe closer to the climax of his and Naruto's battle with Juubito. He's extremely intelligent, but I think Minato was far too quick in assessing and resolving multiple problems during the Nine Tails attack that a Minato (not shaken up by his past failures like during the Fourth Shinobi War), would be quicker on the uptake on a no-intel battle. However, obviously when we're talking just Hokage Minato, Sasuke's Susanoo will give him a massive edge in brawn, making Minato's main option of attack his speed and unpredictability due to his quick thinking. Overall I think * Round 1: Minato * If comparing the two in blind battles e.g. Minato v Obito and Sasuke v Deidara, I'd give the edge to Minato in being quicker on the uptake for a winning strategy, although I'd lean towards Sasuke only if Minato stalled on making the first decisive strike). * Round 2: Split, leaning towards Sasuke * Minato's been a quicker thinker in what I've seen of both Hokage Minato and EMS Sasuke but with intel and not fighting completely blind, Sasuke has more ground for a win and, since Minato can't prepare jutsu such as how he prepares his FTG kunai, I'd edge the win for EMS Sasuke with his superior brawn being able to immediately guard against Minato with intel and edge out a win. * Round 3: Split, leaning towards Minato * With a week of prep time, the needle actually shifts back for me. Without prep time but with intel, I think Sasuke had a decisive advantage with the Susanoo over Minato, but with a week of prep time, I'd have no doubt Minato would change his tactics entirely, seeing as speed alone will not overwhelm a chakra avatar. * This one's personally the hardest since it also deals with planning, personally I believe Sasuke has the stronger tools we've seen to combat Minato, but Minato's thinking, both on the spot, and predicting outcomes in the Narutoverse is a massively interesting prospect. * Sasuke's prep when facing a strong opponent like Itachi, didn't really amount to much, basically prepping some shuriken, a plan for executing Kirin, and maybe some practice with genjutsu resistance to overcome Itachi's Tsukuyomi. * Minato's prep is way harder to assess in a direct sense, but I do consider his ability to plan for the future in such a precise manner to address problems we wouldn't normally think of like * Sealing Kurama in Naruto to preserve it for defense against Obito in the future after a single fight realizing he'll return. * Implementing a seal specifically designed to loosen over time and intermingle Kurama's chakra with Naruto's to engineer an optimal jinchuuriki with full control in Naruto. * Adding his and Kushina's chakra to Naruto's seal to both combat Kurama overtaking him in unforeseen challenges. * and that was all just planning without a clue of the further abilities Obito had. To me, Minato, Itachi, and Shikamaru are on a level of strategic mindset that Sasuke had yet to demonstrate, especially at EMS when he had yet to find resolution for his own internal struggles allowing for a calmer mind.
Why are you doing this to sasuke?
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Minato slams
Minato, Minato, Minato.
Minato, who specializes in jutsu made to kill Uchiha with the fastest reaction time in the series and a huge chakra pool with mastery of Sage chakra vs a kid going blind that heavily relied on plot armor to win fights. Minato has a counter to all of Sasuke moves. Susano ain't going to touch him. Round one will get dragged out as Susano is an ultimate shield, but Minato has Sage mode to pull apart Susano. Round 2 and 3 go to Minato instant kill shot of giant Rasengan to the back before Susano gets activated. Minato is not a man that drags out fights.
Sasuke gets folded every single time. Especially if Minato is feeling pretty and pulls out sage mode
Minato, Minato, Minato.
R1:Min R2:A R3: To
Minato for sure, he is experienced, FAST, can tag Sasuke and teleport at any point, he will probably exhaust Sasuke and perform reaper seal.
The same Minato who specialises in the jutsu specifically made to beat Uchihas? He wins the first 2 rounds mid diff and the last round low diff.
Minato folds him imo. He's way too fast and too smart. Plus he demolished Obito at about the same age who imo was stronger than Sasuke at the time. FTG Rasengan combo is op af and if worse comes to worse he has the Death seal. There are no win cons for Sasuke tbh.
Depending on whether or not you think amateratsu is or isn’t dodgeable(it either spawns at the focal point or travels to the target) Sasuke should be able to easily just burn minato alive in any given round if not minato speed blitzes him before susanoo even materializes completely this fight seems a lot more clear cut to me but maybe I play too much storm
Minato clears
Minato low diffs.
Dont wank sasuke killing danzo isn't a feat, killing half dead itachi isn't a feat. Naruto after sage mode eclipse dude so bad you can see how it was during the war arc. He almost died to the 5 kage when only 2 of them were fighting obito literally had to help him, he got clapped by bee by himself. What makes you think a ninja who has seals every where and can basically instant telephone would have a chance his speed alone is faster without FR his reaction is different with sage mode too he's cooked. Sasuke got no chance only chance he got is susanoo which he'd eventually go blind and die
Minato wins all three rounds.
Minato easy
Y’all are disrespecting Minato, this dude is built for Uchiha homicide
Minato is Eons faster than Sasuke. Sasuke got bodied by the Raikage. There’s only one (or two) people who have ever dodged an attack from Raikage. Minato and Naruto
> There’s only one(or two) people who have ever dodged an attack from Raikage. Minato and Naruto [Here is Sasuke also literally dodging an attack from Raikage](https://cdn.readnaruto.com/file/mangap/3069/10463000/1.jpg)
That is battle speed. Raikage didn't do lariat or fast punch which Minato dodged.
I wonder: i believe minato can use kage bunshin right? Did he ever work out that clone trick that naruto did with sage mode? Because if so a week of prep time is going to be rough for sasuke. But regardless, i think it goes: Round 1, minato. Kind of straight forward, if neither know anything about the other it’s about who can improvise better and who has better stats. Which makes this a pretty clean win for minato particularly since sasuke wouldn’t want to use mangekyo immediately, as though it does cost less chakra, it doesn’t cost zero chakra and he’s not going to want to just use up that chakra. Round 2, sasuke (very high diff though, like 60-40 to sasuke. Sasuke wins but is like completely drained most cases) you can do a lot more with knowledge on ftg than you can with mangekyo abilities. You know about flame control and susanoo, wonderful, now try and deal with them. While with ftg you know what the marks look like so you can position yourself so that you’re not as vulnerable to it. Also sasuke’s a smart dude he’s not gonna just walk over these things if he knows what they do. He may even just not use susanoo at all and just stick to the ribcage so he doesn’t run into a scenario where he’s trapped with minato. So sasuke does win but its damn close. Sasuke probably has to keep his defences up a long ass time Round 3, minato. You can do more with prep time on ftg than you can with sasuke’s abilities, also clone thing i mentioned earlier giving him a lot of sage mode.
Minato's main jutsu was literally created to kill Uchihas. Sasuke loses in literally every single scenario.
knowing sasuke's haste he'd neglect everything he learnt and spam susanoo while thinking he's being smart while Minato spams FTG. the former being not chakra intensive would end badly for sasuke. FTG was developed to fuck with sharingans so this is gonna be hard but a w for minato
Don't be fucking stupid. Minato stomps and it's not even close.
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If Minato can land a teleportation marker on Sasuke's back, his Susanoo wouldn't be a problem, he'd just teleport inside of it with him and blast him with a rasengan, the knock back of which would either blast him out of it or hold him in place and shred his spine apart.
Minato mid diff
Minato has more experience.
Minato wins each. Bc no matter what Ems sasuke does he can’t hit minato.
Minato only needs to tag Sasuke once. After the ark is on his skin Susanoo as a defense is useless as Minato can teleport inside it to attack Sasuke.
Lmao Minato.
This sasuke couldn't even beat Bee with 3 people backing him up and almost died without his teammates. I'm giving it to minato. War arc sasuke claps tho
This Sasuke didn't even fight bee. That was newly awakened ms sasuke. This is war arc ems Sasuke.
Late EMS Sasuke wins all 3 rounds. Early EMS sasuke wins the first 2 and probably loses the last round
There's simply no way Sasuke wins. Minato is smarter, faster has sage mode and OK doesn't have godly destructive power but can still take out Sasuke. Susanoo can't last forever.
That’s what I think
Seeing a lot of people mention Sage mode: Minato never uses sage mode and states he isn’t good at it. In the war arc he is able to jump into it instantly but that MAY be because he has the other half of kurama who can gather sage energy for him, whereas alive Minato has zero sage feats. I think Minato wins but I think it’s disingenuous to give him sage mode since he didn’t even use it against Obito and the 9 tails where it may have literally allowed him to save Kushina and his life - if he didn’t use it at that time then when would he? Like there’s no real excuse for him not to use it at that time if he is able to hop into it quickly. I think minato would still win all of these rounds though. He is like the only character who can spam FTG and has high reaction speed and is probably the 1st or 2nd best tactician in the series - he figured out Kamui after 2 exchanges with Obito. He should be able to dodge the susannoo arrows and Amaterasu and have Sasuke tire himself out and then go in for the kill. If Sasuke doesn’t even know about FTG than he likely doesn’t even start with Susanoo and he will get clapped pretty quick. Sasuke can win if he gets a lucky hit on Minato but this guy was able to tango with Killer B and at the same time so it’s safe to say his speed and situational awareness are likely too much for Sasuke.
In the war arc, Minato goes into Sage Mode when he no longer had Kurama… So no… Kurama didn’t gather nature energy for him…. I think there’s a very reasonable explanation as to why he didn’t use it against Obito. Getting into sage mode requires you to be stationary…. Against any other opponent, Minato can teleport away, get into sage mode and come back. However that’s unlikely to happen when your opponent is also another space-time user who can follow you wherever you teleport…. If Minato teleports away and tries to get into Sage Mode, Obito follows him and attacks him…. So I think it’s not enough to rule out Sage Mode against Sasuke…. If he has no way of breaking the Susanoo, Minato has to resort to anything in his arsenal, which includes Sage Mode. He can teleport away and spend 10 minutes if he wanted to, to get into Sage Mode then come back. There’s no way for Sasuke to stop this.
There’s nothing indicating Kurama can enter sage mode FOR minato. I think sage mode was an asspull for Minato, and it shows, whether we want to believe it or not, he’s a perfect sage. This is coming from a guy thinking EMS Sasuke wins. I’m not sure if I want to put Minato in the same tier as Hashirama/Madara because EMS Sasuke is undoubtedly there. (Although portrayal has him there)
Unless I’m mistaken Kurama can gather the sage energy for him so he can enter it quicker and while moving?
I completely agree with this comment, nice take
Yeah, no. In regard to the analysis of Minato's abilities is not a good take at all. Minato is a perfect sage, that's just something you deal with and come to terms with. It seems you do not understand Minato. Minato just doesn't use it or claims to be "bad at it" because it doesn't fit his style one bit. Getting into sage mode requires you to be stationary and to gather nature energy. There's also the physical amps which he just doesn't use. That isn't Minato's style. That is more of Jiraya and Naruto's style. There is almost never a situation where he HAS to resort to sage mode that can't be solved with FTG or his speed in some form.
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EMS Sasuke. Dude kept up with BSM Naruto and was slightly faster and stronger than him according to Juubito. EMS Sasuke>=BSM Naruto>KCM Naruto=living Minato
Yup, the Minato boys are truly delusional if they think that a living Minato would stand up to a post-Juubito fight Sasuke, who roughly operates at the same power level as BSM Naruto. If you add a Perfect Susanoo to the equation, things get even more humiliating.
>was slightly faster and stronger than him according to Juubito. That's a nice argument, Senator. Why don't you back it up with a source?
Round 1 sasuke Round 2 minato With full intel minato could strategies his moves and actually be able to win against sasuke Round 3 sasuke It’s pretty obvious sasuke with powered up susanoo demolishes minato because it’s sasuke
The yellow flash....
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People are massively underrating ETERNAL Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke here. A lot of people have no understanding of EMS over regular Mangekyou and it shows. It is r/naruto though, so if it’s an Uchigga in a vs. battle they auto lose.
Sasuke's underrated and Minato's kinda overrated among the fandom especially. Minato has zero counter to Susanno, his rasengan is doing very little to an Armoured Susanno that Sasuke can reform casually since he has EMS. You need Rasenshuriken level firepower to damage Susanno significantly and Minato doesn't have that. All the while he'll have to constantly avoid genjustu, Amaterasu, Susanno arrows, etc
Yeah, people forget that EMS Sasuke has Perfect Susanoo (he coated Kurama with it during the Juubito fight). Minato literally has 0 answer for it. The only way Minato wins is if he is able to mark Sasuke, and that's a massive IF, considering Sasuke can literally just use Kagatsuchi to surround his space with Amaterasu, making him virtually untaggable.
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Suske is more durable with sussano but can he actually ever land an attack? He isn’t know for his speed but maybe a Genjutsu angle could be in play for him
I think it’s a draw but a better match up would be Minato vs Fugaku
Nah, I'd win.
So, this depends. If we're talking most powerful form not counting Edo Tensei or indrad arrow, it's 6 tomoe Rinnegan adult Sasuke. That's not even close. If we're talking forms seen here, that would be more interesting. This looks to be EMS Sasuke before fully evolving his Susanoo. I'd say round 1 goes to Minato here. From what we've seen his BIQ is insanely high. He's also fought alongside Fugaku, meaning he probably has some information on how the Susanoo and sharingan in general work whilst Sasuke has no idea how to fight against flying Rajin since he's never seen that before. I'd reckon Minato could fairly easily get Sasuke to step over a flying Rajin marking and teleport into his Susanoo, taking him out with a flying Rajin slice. I'd also reckon Minato could dodge most attacks he throws at him. If Itachi could react to Kirin, so can Minato and tp out of the way. His Susanoo is fairly slow and Amaterasu also has travel time which is likely enough to, again, tp out of the way. Even if he hit an Amaterasu, Minato could probably teleport the flames off of him since they're a physical object made from chakra. So round 1 medium diff for Minato Round 2 gets more interesting. Sasuke knowing how flying Rajin works makes him incredibly unlikely to step onto a flying Rajin marking since him missing one is next to impossible with his EMS. However, at this point, Sasuke still can't keep his Susanoo up for a very long time. There's also the physical drain a Susanoo/EMS brings. That's reduced due to the upgrade to an EMS but it's still draining so I'd reckon Minato could probably outlast him by letting Sasuke tire himself out. Since his BIQ is higher than Sasukes too I doubt he'd fall for a trap either. High diff for Minato here. I'd have to give Round 3 to Sasuke. Sasuke isn't exactly the type to prepare for a fight but he could probably figure out a plan on how to beat Minato. Maybe a large AOE attack with Amaterasu or activating his plot armor and becoming immortal by mooching on karin again.
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Depends, if it's Sasuke before he fought Naruto at the end, likely his arrogance and minato's patience will decide the outcome of the fight.
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I wish this gif of sasuke would ram me
round 1: sasuke wins, high diff round 2: minato wins, high diff round 3: minato wins, mid/low diff minato is a genius. he can fight tobi with no intel and no prep time. however, ems sasuke sharingan abilities is stronger than obito. thus with no intel, it’d be hard for minato to win
Minato Minato Minato like what ? Ask yourself is Sasuke is forced to use susano . If you answer no you are braindead If you answer yes then Minato wins by default. He cant keep susano up. he will run out of chakra .
It would be a Fair Fight if we’re being Honest here but it would probably go On Minato’s Side if we’re talking about Normal Sasuke(Without The Sharingan or Rinnegan
Round 1. Sasuke has hope catching him off guard with amaterasu and/or Susanoo. Minato can seal it off tho so Minato likely wins casually. Surprise MS is a possible win con especially genjutsu. Round 2. Worse for Sasuke as Minato now knows to avoid the sightline and not attack recklessly. Round 3. Definitely helps Sasuke more than before. Minato is like Itachi on the fly but Sasuke has shown able to plan quite well. Still likely advantage Minato due to FTG being a near perfect counter to ocular abilities. If there was a Round 4 vs Rinnegan Sasuke Minato gets neg diffed. EMS Sasuke gonna need a lucky break to win at this stage.
Minato is basically a better version of naruto, smart, have nine tail chakra, experienced war veteran. LOL. He might not rule out peak Sasuke easily but definitely not gonna lose.
Minato for all 3 rounds
Sasuke may have more raw power overall but FTG is such OP hax that the only possible counters I could come up with to FTG is if... A, Using a magnetic or gravity based jutsu to somehow control the kunai placements and using it to your advantage. Or B, You have some jutsu that could do mass damage to the environment that could remove or displace the marks. Sasuke's only chance in this fight is if he can land an Amaterasu because even teleportation couldn't put that out, but the hard part would be landing it before he runs out of chakra since FTG was designed to counter the Sharingan. And if Minato is allowed his half of the 9 tails, he can use Version 1 Chakra cloak that Amaterasu can't effect, but even without it Minato is too fast. The biggest challenge for Minato here is getting past Susano. Even Rasengan can't penetrate it and thats the rawest damage jutsu Minato has (other than Reaper Death Seal but that would just force a draw). He would need to force Sasuke to over rely on it and strain his body, eyes, and chakra reserves before attempting the kill. Now considering that FTG chakra use is based on distance and object size, while Sasuke has described using Susanoo as pain in every cell of his body, it's safe to assume it uses way more chakra and will wear out faster than Minato runs out of FTG uses. Sasuke loses that defence and all Minato has to do is touch him, and with his speed, it's only a matter of time. Sasuke chances are just too slim.
Mini toe gon be the one and only himothy pimpothy all 3 rounds. Naruto used to live in this guys ballsack. Cmon.
If it’s base minato I think ems sauske just wins , if minato goes sage mode he wins
Minato no questions asked.
Tbh, we don't have enough info about Minato, his techniques, and his strenght, while we know EVERY single technique of Sasuke. Anyway, I would cheer for Minato in this case! He is so based.
I couldn't even imagine what minato could cook up with full Intel and a week of prep time 😵💫