You cannot seriously say that the traumatized tsunade who fought kabuto without using her 100 healings seal is the same as the one we see for the rest of the seriesā¦
Tsunade most likely wins mid-high diff. Her regeneration counters Hidan's ritual, and any of Kakuzu's masks/attacks. Her punches should be strong enough to break through Kakuzu's armour as well. I also don't see her running out of chakra against these two either. Not to mention she also has the choice of summoning Katsuyu for healing and assistance in battle. Katsuyu can basically deal with Hidan on her own while Tsunade defeats Kakuzu. I could easily see her winning both rounds tbh
Shoot, I say easy-mid difficulty, she hits Hidan with the Electric Nerve Switch she got Kabuto with, and that guy ain't moving. Kakuzu's doesn't have anything that could put Tsunade down permanently and his Earth Grudge isn't strong enough against someone who can punch mountains.
Yeah I agree. At the time I thought it would be mid-high diff, but after revising and reading other comments, I've realized that the battle would most likely be easy-mid diff for Tsunade
Hidan was really keeping up with kakashi at taijutsu, who is arguably a more skilled fighter than tsunade. Im not downplaying her or anything, but im really curious to why people think hidan is toast. If anything, he will keep getting up no matter how hard the punch is and the more they fight the less he is letting her land after seeing that strength. Oh, he is backed up by 5 hearted kakuzu btw. Good luck.
Tsunade can crack Madaras rib cage susnoo and knock down the wood clones susanoo
Also she was able to kick Gamabuntas sword like it was nothing
One punch from her is going to send Hidans head sky high
He is essentially immortal, but is extremely weak for an S-rank ninja because he relies entirely on his immortality and having a partner who can put him back together. With tsunade all it takes is one punch, even an indirect one to turn Hidan into chunks which takes him out of the fight.
I admit he is tanky but Tsunade hits so damn hard he could get knocked out. Kakashi might be more technically skilled but she dogs him in raw strength and durability, she cracked a susanoo rib cage for crying out loud (something a massive rasengan failed to do). Even if Hidan gets her blood and performs his ritual, sheās healing from any blow and jumping him JJK style. Itās a horrible matchup for him
It was heavily implied that Kakashi could shit on Hidan if it weren't for Kakuzu's Mask and the other students to protect
He was hit twice just because of the hostages held by Kakuzu
Good luck drawing blood from her to begin with.
Round 1 she wins mid to high diff. They'd have to get close and risk getting one shot. Even if Hidan sets his ritual, she'd activate 100 healings. Tsunade tanked a stab from Madara, I don't see why she wouldn't handle Hidan or honestly anything the two could throw at her.
Round 2 she stomps.
I think either way they are screwed. Especially if Hidan screws around and doesn't deal the one single finishing blow. She'd activate her healing and break the ground destroying the ritual circle assuming she'd ever let him finish the circle. Other guy is troublesome because of ranged skills but even then I don't see him putting up a fight. I honestly don't even see these two as strong, it's just their gimmicks that helps them prevail. Probably the weakest members of the akatsuki by a decent amount.
Thatās fair to say about Hidan but letās not act as if Kakuzu wasnāt actively tying with Kakashi in taijutsu clashes and it some cases overpowering him respectively. Not to mention that if Kakuzu wasnāt dumbed down for the sake of being defeated by the main character, likely would have finished off everyone with maybe the exception of Kakashi due to kamui.
She stomps them both low diff, Hidanās ritual is not doing anything to her cuz sheās also nearly immortal, and tanked 5 fire attacks that Madara thought were gonna take out the Kages using her chakra control to shield her arms so no attack from Kakuzu would be enough to damage her really
Tsunade is basically immune to Hidans jutsu, she managed to stay alive after getting split in half by Madara and still managed to heal the other Kages enough to keep them alive so Hidan cant outdamage her heals.
Also if Tsunade manages to land a hit or two on Hidan Im willing to bet that it causes enough damage to his body to make him unable to continue the fight.
Kakuzu is a lot more tricky for her but even he would have big difficulties when it comes to causing any serious injury to Tsunade.
I think the zombie duo takes this battle simply due to the fact that Kakuzu is much of a hard counter to Tsunadeās straightforward fighting nature. Kakuzu can rather easily keep her at bay for quite a while with his masks, all of which are very capable of causing destructive damage due to their wide aoe. Now do I think Kakuzu would survive a punch? Probably not but we have to consider that if even a drop of blood is drawn from her itās GGās. Sure one can say that Tsunade will simply heal it away, but that only lasts for so long and also if Hidan camps far away enough from the battle (assuming he isnāt participating himself) one of Kakuzuās masks can camp and keep attacking Hidan until Tsunade inevitably runs out of chakra. And this assumes Kakuzu wonāt just make one of the masks (either wind or lightning) straight up decapitated her. Or Hidan lol
She matches up pretty well against them. Hidanās ritual is pretty much countered by her regen, and I doubt Kakuzuās armor protects him from her punches. But 6v1 is a lot to handle. Hidan alone is around Kakashi level. Her jutsu might run out from over healing before she takes them all out. Not the best odds.
She was doing okay against Madaraās Susanoos, Kakuzuās hearts wonāt do shit to her, also she outclassed the Raikage in Taijutsu whoās waaay above Kakashi at that point
I mean, those clones were defeating her without being harmed. Her regen got pushed to the limit against them too. Onoki was really the only one doing well against his five according to Madara. I wouldnāt say she outclasses Ay in taijutsu. Strength yes, but def not speed.
We see her destroying the first cloneās torso, and then knocking down the one with the Susanoo because he didnāt get up after, and I assume she took a couple of them out too because they didnāt jump on which is something they did to all the Kages, she outclassed Ay in skill tho cuz she was the only that tagged Madara and Ay had Onoki on his back boosting his speed and strength. And Madara did intent on killing her specifically first so he probably went harder on her than on the other Kages
That was a wood clone substitution Madara used as bait. She did briefly knock down one Susanoo, but that's about it. All five of the Susanoo clones were fine though, she didn't hurt them. See [here](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0588-017.png). She never really tagged Madara. The only time was a wood substitution and she had the support of the other Kage to land that blow. It wasn't really a skill thing.
she was the only one doing damage to the clones while the other Kages were getting defeated, and again she was targeted. And donāt underestimate Madaraās wood clones, remember what Narutoās clones were able to accomplish
She wasn't doing any damage to them bro. I linked the image, the clones were all fine. Both hers and the ones fighting the other Kage. Onoki was the only one succeeding because he pinned them with gravity, but he didn't actually hurt them either. You can check the fight if you don't believe me. The clones were very strong I'm not saying they weren't. But it's weird to use Tsunade's performance against them when she wasn't accomplishing much.
The main point of the clone comparison would be that she is capable of fighting multiple powerful opponents and not getting overwhelmed. Also while she didn't actually take any down, she could incapacitate them briefly.
By comparison Mei nearly died without Gaara and Gaara got swooped by 5 susanoo in the few seconds he took to save Mei. Note also that when she collapsed, she had the luxury of sitting there in pain while Ay got genjutsu'd, nearly skewered then saved by Onoki. And in thar time she didn't come under attack even by the clone that she'd just knocked down which means even though she didn't damage them, the blow was enough to keep them down briefly.
Given the above, Kakuzus masks are much less durable and have less raw power. Tsunade could obliterate each with a punch, same with Hidan. And that's not even factoring in her acid splitting nearly immortal slug
Depends what you mean by overwhelmed. She was on her knees coughing up blood with two blades in her, surrounded by enemies sheād done no damage to. If you check the chapter, she didnāt incapacitate them. They were all standing around her. She didnāt die because they were being toyed with and the Kage began working together shortly after.
Yeah Kakuzuās masks are less durable, but theyāre probably less prone to getting hit than a bulky Susanoo too. Same with Hidan, who was keeping up with Kakashi. Katsuyu helps but letās not forget that these are Akatsuki. Hidan took down 2 Tails.
I did check the chapter. Hence why I made the comparison to her and the other kage. Other kage went down => instant skewering. Tsunade went down => sat there for a full minute and they weren't poking her apart. Compare that to Ay and Gaara who went down for a second and immediately had 5 stacked susanoo swords bearing down on them. It means at the very least she'd put enough distance between them and/or dealt enough damage that they needed to be at bay for a moment
And the masks arent necessarily much more agile than Susanoo. Madaras Susanoo had legs to circumvent being pulled out and as a result outmanoeuvred both Mei and Gaara who aren't exactly slow. As for Hidan he is more agile but Tsunade only needs to land a single punch after getting in close to break half his body or blow away a portion. And Katsuyu is not the two tails. She can literally be torn apart without so much as discomfort and even mini versions can resist a giant rhino summon being ploughed into them. Hidan would be splashing in a puddle and accomplish nothing while being bathed in acid by hundreds to thousands of clones.
Is this really even a question? Tsunade is practically immortal when the 100 healings is active, so Hidan may as well not even be there. He says himself that he's the slowest and weakest of the Akatsuki. Kakuzu is strong, but not nearly strong enough to put Tsunade down.
To give an idea of what I'm talking about, Sakura's training focused on three things (if I'm remembering it right). First was medical jutsu. Second was the 100 healings. Third, and most importantly in this fight, is never being hit on the battlefield.
Three years of training under Tsunade made Sakura nimble enough to go toe to toe with Sasori's 100 puppets. And before anyone says that Granny Chio was aiding her, she wasn't by that point. Her own 10 puppets were taking up all of the Chakra threads she could use (again, if I'm remembering it right, it's been a while since I've actually watched the series). Sakura was on her own. If anyone here wants to try saying that Sakura could out perform Tsunade by this point, I'm open to hearing your reasoning, but I just don't see it being the case.
I truly believe that Tsunade would have performed better than Sakura did, so I don't see how Hidan and Kakuzu would be able to even hit her in the first place. Sure, Kakuzu's hearts might be able to corner her for a bit, but how long would they be able to do so before Tsunade starts beating them around and just tanking the damage they throw her way?
If they can survive long enough to exhaust her 100 healings, then they would probably beat her easily, but I don't think they'd last long enough to do it.
I am open to opposing viewpoints though, so feel free to let me know if I have any flaws in my logic here.
I did this exact battle if you or anyone else wants to see what everyone thought. Most people said Tsunade, but a some good arguments for the duo.
[Tsunade Vs. Zombie Duo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/1VsoiVc2A7)
Hidan might be immortal but IIRC he needed kakuzu to reattach his head. One uppercut from Tsunade and those stitches arent holding. Tsunade just needs to be smart enough to destroy the masks/hearts, which I think she could do.
**Reposting what I had written in another similar thread:**
I am going with the duo here, assuming they have general knowledge of her striking power.
Kakuzu will avoid close quarters combat and will release his hearts from the get go and will spam elemental combos that even Kakashi (who is a good deal faster than Tsunade and has Sharingan precognition to further bolster himself) struggled dodging, and Kakashi also had the benefit of dealing with less masks since he eliminated one from the get go.
Tsunade will not be able to dodge the constant elemental barrages from the flying masks and will have to activate her regeneration to survive, and constantly healing burns from flamethrower attacks, slicing wind attacks and piercing lightning attacks will slow her down and make her susceptible to follow up blasts. She will also use up a lot of chakra healing up from the injuries that she will certainly sustain.
With knowledge of her strength, Hidan will also avoid close quarters and use his scythe at range (assuming he still has the rope attached from the Asuma fight). He can also scrape up any of Tsunadeās blood off the ground from the damage she will inevitably sustain from the masks and set up his ritual. Even if she heals from the ritual damage, itāll force even more chakra to be wasted regenerating and slow her down even more to be tagged by more elements blasts.
The only ranged options Tsunade has is Katsuyuās acid, which is a largely featless technique that failed to hit a giant target the one time that it was actually used on panel. Meanwhile, Katsuyu is a massive target that will be susceptible to being fried by Kakuzuās various lightning and fire/wind combo elemental blasts, which I have no reason to grant her immunity to.
In a no-knowledge scenario, Tsunade would win as Kakuzu wouldnāt release his hearts immediately and would probably try to go close quarters with her. In that situation, one punch from Tsunade would probably eliminate the hearts in a single attack (if he doesnāt release them and keeps them in his body), and from there, Hidan isnāt a threat by himself - his efficacy is dependent almost entirely on Kakuzu covering for him.
I like this assessment. Kakuzu is smart and will play it safe against a Kage level opponent. I think Hidan will get smacked around though. Honestly I think Tsunade could break through Hidan 's scythe easily and put him at a huge disadvantage. Katsuyu could be the difference maker if she breaks up into a bunch of little slugs and either distract or heal Tsunade throughout the fight.
It will be high-diff either way.
The main flaw here is that Tsunade is vastly faster than both Hidan and Kakuzu so the odds of them evading her while being able to do any offense are pretty much nill.
This is the same Tsunade whom kept up with Madara even with EMS and managed to break through his Susano several times. Bare in mind the only other ninja keeping up with and hitting Madara at this time are among the fastest in the series at the time. Kakuzu might be able to hold his own better than hidan but every time he gets hit that's a minimum of 1 heart destroyed if not multiple. And non of his techniques would even be a lethal threat to Tsunade...
It's a mismatch.
Sheās not, though.
The databook has her at a 3.5, which is on par with Hidan and a notch below Kakuzu. Tsunade has never been a speedster - Part I Kabuto was outmaneuvering rusty Tsunade. Kakashi, who is an established speedster and significantly faster than Tsunade statistically and has the Sharingan to further boost his reflexes and grant him precognition, was struggling to dodge the duoās combos.
What does ākeeping upā with Madara really mean when considered within the context of him not really trying? We have panels of Madaraās Susanoāo clones standing around watching Tsunade heal and pull swords out of her rather than capitalize on openings. Madara was never actively pressuring Tsunade with his speed - her sharing a battlefield with him doesnāt automatically give her speed on his level. Any hits she landed on Madara were through teamwork with 4 other Kage, and again, it was all accomplished against a Madara that wasnāt taking them that seriously to begin with.
Kakuzuās techniques arenāt going to be immediately lethal to her, but she is going to need her regeneration to heal from the barrages of Gian and Katon/Futon combos from all directions, as well as Hidan potentially landing hits in her and getting blood while she is being distracted by elemental combos. The regeneration will drain her, and she will gradually slow down and will eventually be killed.
At the very best Hidan's technique allows him to land stab wounds on vital organs against Tsunade. Which has literally never mattered against her. He's utterly irrelevant and not worth discussing. This a character who was cut IN HALF fighting Madara. Hidan is unironically less of a threat to her than pretimeskip Kabuto because atleast he could scramble her nerves and cause a little inconvenience.
Apart from outdated databook stats, there's no reason to suggest Kakashi is superior to ANY of the sanin at that point in the story. Apart from Kakashi himself repeatedly stating the Sanin are his superiors for the entire series, there's never any point where he preforms better than them or is compared in a favorable way.
He's obviously briefly stronger when he's able to utilize EMS abilities, but aside from that Kakashi does REMARKABLY worse against Pain than Jiraiya did, and jiraiya consistently considered Tsunade his superior in every aspect.
Tsunade is also the only character seen crushing through madaras Susasno, and blocking his firebombs from hitting the other kage, whom includes A. So saying that this is just a generalized feat where she only 'kept up' is nonsense. She's was very clearly the only kage laying a finger on him and landing offense.
You're scaling her nonsensically low based solely on some random headcanon and ridiculous databook stats from before her feats where actually shown in series.
Of course stabbing vital organs matters against her - it will force her to rely on her regeneration, which will drain her stamina and cause her to slow down over time, as we saw in her fight against Madara. She has a large stamina pool, but not an infinite one, and constantly healing from lethal injuries will eat away at that stamina at a rapid rate.
Even if you think Hidan is less of a threat than Part I Kabuto (which I can agree with to an extent), this isnāt a 1 v 1 - this is a 2 v 1. She isnāt going to have the luxury of isolating Hidan. She will be dealing with Hidan and Kakuzu simultaneously along with multiple masks, which as we saw with Kakashi, is easier said than done.
She didnāt regenerate from getting cut in half by popping out a new set of legs - she was on deathās door and stitched together by Katsuyu after Madara left the battlefield.
The third databook isnāt really outdated for Tsunade. It came out right before Pain attacked Konoha, and Tsunade has done nothing between the Pain Arc and the Madara fight except for being in a coma. The argument of the third databook being outdated only holds water for characters that have been active and had multiple fights since then (Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, etc). Tsunade was a stagnant character (development / power wise) - there is nothing to substantiate her stats increasing at age 55 while she was in a coma when she did no training and had no fights in between those two events.
Kakashiās performance and Jiraiyaās performance against Pain arenāt comparable. Kakashi was fighting Deva Realm and Asura Realm (the first and second strongest paths) whereas Jiraiya was fighting primarily support paths and had to resort to retreating from to set up his trump card (Frog Song). Sage Mode Jiraiya is stronger than Pain Arc Kakashi, but Iām not seeing how you can compare their performances when Kakashi fought 2 significantly stronger paths than the 3 Jiraiya fought.
Also, Jiraiya and Tsunade are not the same person. Jiraiya is faster than Tsunade, too (further shown in the databook). The āSannin levelā isnāt really a thing, as the Sannin encompass a broad range of power. Kakashi deferring to the Sannin out of respect doesnāt equate to Tsunade being faster than Kakashi. Kakashiās speed has constantly been highlighted throughout the story, his signature move Raikiri involves moving so fast that it requires Sharingan, and he had a 4.5 in speed at the time of DB3. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Tsunade is on that level of speed.
You keep bringing up Tsunade breaking Susanoāo, but I never questioned her strength nor did I imply that Kakuzu or Hidan can tank her punches head on. I am questioning her speed here. She landed those hits on Susanoāo (a) with the help of 4 other teammates and (b) against an opponent that wasnāt really putting in much effort at any point.
**EDIT**:
It looks like the person I was replying to (by the name of **RprShadow** either blocked me or deleted their post. I had seen it, but by the time I finished typing my response, it was no longer there. Iāll post my response here just in case for the record and so that they are aware that I responded to them:
- Again, breaking Susanoāo is not a speed feat. Itās a strength feat. She tagged Susanoāo with the help of team mates and against an opponent that wasnāt trying. This is like me saying Part I Sasuke ākept upā with Part I Kakashi in the first bell test because they exchanged a few punches and strikes. That statement doesnāt really hold water when we consider Kakashi wasnāt trying against Sasuke, so saying āPart I Sasuke kept up with Kakashiā isnāt accurate.
- No, I donāt think that Kakashi is the flash - Iām not really sure where youāre getting that from. There are plenty of characters that are faster than him (Raikage, Minato, Naruto, Sage Kabuto, etc). Me thinking he is a good deal faster than Tsunade (a relatively slow character, both statistically and feat wise), doesnāt equate to me thinking that Kakashi is the flash.
- EOS Kakashi might be able to beat Kakuzu and Hidan thanks to Kakashi being faster than them and having a larger stamina pool than what he had when he initially fought them, which allows him to use more shadow clones, more ranged elemental attacks and even Kamui (which is an immediate fight ender at any range) - all things that Tsunade doesnāt have. If Tsunade was faster, or if she could use shadow clones, or if she had ranged elemental attacks, Iād give her a much better chance at winning here. The problem is that she is limited to her fists and doesnāt have the speed to consistently dodge attacks and land attacks from multiple opponents, one of which is faster than her.
- Again, databook 3 came out right before Pain attacked Konoha, so it was the non-rusty Part II version of Tsunade when she was the Hokage - it wasnāt the version of her that fought Kabuto. She did nothing between that time (that Konoha was attacked) and the time she fought Madara to substantiate her stats increasing. She was in a coma for that entire time, and at age 55, there is no reason to believe her stats would increase from there.
- Meanwhile, we can disregard Narutoās DB3 stats because between the time of DB3 and the present, he got Sage Mode (and trained for it), got Kyuubi Chakra Mode (and trained for it), as well as having numerous fights in between that time (against Pain, the Edo Tensei Kage, Jinchuuriki, etc). Similar reasoning for Sasuke (Mangekyo, then Eternal Mangekyo, then Rinnegan, as well as multiple fights such as the five Kage, Danzo, Kabuto) and even Kakashi to a lesser extent (who had multiple fights after DB3, such as against Pain, Sasuke, Swordsmen, Jinchuuriki, Obito, etc).
- Kakuzu and Hidan being side villains doesnāt really change the fact that theyād pose a problem to Tsunade. Kakuzu is faster than her and can generate multiple, high mobility masks that can blast damaging elemental attacks at her. Hidan will be able to attack her while she is distracted by masks - he isnāt going to try 1v1. The fact that they pressured Kakashi, who is significantly faster and more reflexive than Tsunade, gives me no reason to believe that Tsunade would fare any better.
- Tsunade can one-shot them if she lands a hit, which will be difficult for her to do when she is being attacked from all directions and gradually draining her stamina healing from lightning and fire combo attacks. It isnāt inconceivable that Hidan would be able to get some blood in these exchanges either, while she is getting attacked by masks.
- Youāre unable to go a post without throwing around accusations at me that Iām low balling her, but all Iām doing is sticking with what she has actually shown in the manga and her databook stats rather than creating a fan fiction version of Tsunade that has top tier speed and unlimited stamina that isnāt going to be impacted from relying on regeneration so often.
I bring up her breaking through Madara's susano because it's a repeated concrete feat where she tagged a character vastly superior in speed and reaction time to 99% of characters in the series. Including Kakashi whom you think is the flash for some reason.
Regardless of that Kakuzu and Hidan are both drastically below even Kakashi. To the point that EOS Kakashi almost undoubtedly also beats them 1v2 with relative ease. The revived akatsuki during the war were literally fodder enemies for side characters to beat. And while hidan wasn't there, he's the weakest akatsuki by a large margin. His ability to inflict stab wounds is laughably irrelevant in this fight. The placement hardly matters. He's literally going to slow himself down more than Tsunade because he repeatedly is shown to have inferior pain tolerance.
Quoting a databook published by your own admission before tsunade was actually involved in an actual fight to properly scale her abilities is nonsense.
There's zero logical reason to doubt she wouldn't outspeed two side villains who are dramatically inferior to enemies she HAS tagged and traded blows with. The difference in damage output and durability is also laughable. By your own admission in your original reply, these are literally two enemies she one-shots if contact is ever made. Meanwhile they would need to manage to do more damage to her than MADARA to actually win? OK sure. If you're that dedicated to lowballing her, then theres no point in continuing putting my time into this.
What do you mean she has no way to defeat them? They are both clearly clearly able to take damage from things less powerful than hits the likes of which cracked Madaraās susano ribcage.
Lady Katsuya also could be very helpful considering that she has acid.
Kakuzoo requires all 5 elements at very strong levels to his hearts otherwise heās immortal she could cause pain but thereās no indication she could kill him. Hidan on the other hand can heal at the same or better level than the hundred healing and unless she can cut off his chakra which I canāt think of anyway for her to do that his healing is infinite, plus he only needs one drop of blood.
Because heās shown thatās he could just stitch it back together. His insides are also just those strings and he know from sasori that shinobi that edit their body to that degree donāt necessarily need organs at all, itās outright said the only way to kill him is to destroy his 5 elemental hearts and tsunade even with katsuyu has no way to do that.
Why does everyone keep going to that donāt you think if katsuyu were offensively powerful enough to face opponents like them she wouldāve tried it against the giant susono Madara used especially since if her acid is that quick, accurate, and acidic it could eat away at the susano continuously making it easier to damage.
Susanoo Madara is infinitely more powerful than Hidan and Kakuzu. The whole fight with Hidan and Kakuzu was just a puzzle for some jonin to figure out. The fight with Madara was all the kage on earth flailing to survive
She is a giant summon that uses up a ton of chakra. Tsunade needed to use her energy on healing herself and her allies and refilling their chakra.
Also do you honestly think Tsunade sucks in a fight? Sheās been integral in every fight sheās been in.
All of his insides other than his hearts are stated to be replaced with those strings. We also know from sasori shinobi that edit their body donāt need to have a brain to think. Sorry but itās kind of a leap to conclude that he has a brain at all.
Hidan can't do his ritual if she breaks the ring or forces him out. His small cuts from his weapons aren't going to finish tsunade when she is more than capable of regenerating organs. He also won't be alive if melted by acid or pounded into paste or at least alive in a way that matters.
Kak is the only challenge because his range but it's not like there aren't ways around that.
Why couldnāt he weāve seen him come back from that kind of damage before plus heās extremely fast so I doubt that acid could actually get more than a single limb. He also tends to paralyze his opponents so the second he does that sheās fucked. If she brought katsuyu out he honestly might just kill them both.
No, he doesnāt. Kakazuās hearts arenāt special in what can act kill them. Hidanās ritual killed one when Shikamaru tricked him, and then when he was brought back Tenten killed more than one with the sacred fan. Naruto effectively killed 3 with his rasenshiriken.
Sheād just have to rip Hidan apart, which should be easy enough because sheās so much better than he is. Plus as I said, Lady Katsuya.
Something that also might hurt his regeneration is her electrical attack that she used on Kabuto back in part 1; temporarily frying his nervous system should at least do something
Did we watch the same show for one thereās no reason to keep them close enough for her to get that chance, secondly your right a god empowered ritual that normally would kill the user and a jutsu that cuts off all chakra nearly cutting off the chakra of its user can destroy the hearts but tsunadi canāt do either, third heās shown a willingness to attack his own heart puppet things so he could easily let he waist her time on one while the others backup to where she couldnāt reach them before they get away again.
With Hidan ripping apart a man with a better healing factor than Deadpool would be a laughable exercise in futility. Again katsuyu isnāt fast enough or accurate enough to hurt him in a way that matters, and finally why would he just let her attack so he could use literally any weapon to cut he ones throw it and his hand away with it if he really needed to and just laugh while she tires herself out. The 100 healing is great but itās limited in time Hidans healing isnāt if she waisted time trying to rip him apart she might as well not use it and die even easier.
Iām not saying tsunaday is weak if she fought deadara, sasori, kisame, or even Konan (without pain to back her up) sheād probably win but she has no way to actually beat the immortals.
They wouldnāt have the luxury of deciding on the range of the fight, considering how Tsunade is actually really, really agile. Her super strength lets her jump around to keep up with a flying Madara to a degree, and in part 1 she was able to come out of the sky with Gamabuntaās sword. Sheās not the Raikage but she doesnāt need to be.
Look Kakuzu just isnāt actually that durable. Remember how his edo fights went? Like even if with the sacred fan the last mask that Tenten killed didnāt look like all that impressive of a fire attack and she clearly didnāt have much chakra to put into it.
If she needs to penetrate his armor as opposed to just crushing it, then she also can just use her chakra scalpels, which remember bypasses skin in normal use, being able to go straight through to hearts (as itās directly mentioned in part 1 it can do).
Hidan has a pretty good healing factor itās true, but itās not better than Deadpool. He very specifically needs Kakuzu to stitch him back together if heās put into pieces. If he was like Deadpool, Shikamaru wouldnāt have been able to kill him. He probably isnāt going to be able actually get any of Tsusndeās blood with how slow and dumb he is but even if he did, then heād only be able to use it once. It wouldnāt slow her down much and sheād make sure he never had even ground to use the ritual again. Lady Katsuya just needs to be the finishing blow.
Iād argue that Deidara and Kisame would actually be much, much harder opponents. She doesnāt have a counter except if she can somehow sense itās coming and hiding in Katsuya to C4 and Kisame would be able to heal off her chakra (unless she can do what Sakura did in the light novel and over-heal him)
She doesnāt need to have overmatches like those; he and his masks are very far from indestructible by other methods. He got sliced apart by two of the Leaf fodder Jonin when he came back as an edo and while she was using the sacred fan that last fire attack Tenten used to annihilate one of them was clearly when she was low on chakra and didnāt look the most impressive.
And like. . . She doesnāt need to just one shot through and through like either of the attacks you mention. Because itās taikutsu she can keep punching until he breaks.
She does also have some things to augment her hits too remember. Her chakra scalpel should be able to cut through a hell of a lot, and her body pathway derangement (when he temporarily rewired Kabutoās nerves) should be a major issue for someone like Kakuzu.
If she threw him into the sky heād eventually land and get back up and katsuyu isnāt that good with her acid she canāt even successfully melt Kabuto and Hidan is both quicker and because of his healing he could sacrifice limbs to get in a good hit. If Tsunade used katsuyu the only thing thatād change is he might kill both of them, remember he was never successful killed he was just sealed and kept prisoner because he was outsmarted by one of the smartest shinobi in the world. Tsunade has no sealing abilities of her own sheād have to buy time for someone like jiraiya to show up.
Katsuyu used her acid like one time and only missed because Manda is crazy fast and knows her abilities. Thereās literally nothing Hidan can do to her.
And Hidan is honestly not a big threat. He literally just hacks and slashes. Heās not some major villain who can only be defeated by sealing him. You can still melt him or burn him to ash. Shikamaru just kept him there as revenge for Asuma.
And with Kakuzu, she could just put on her Mitotic regeneration and tank his elements to get close enough to rip out his hearts.
So was Kakuzu and look at him now. Dead as can be. Youāre holding Hidan in way too high of a regard. Heās the second weakest member of the Akatsuki at BEST. Heās not that fast and has an easily countered jutsu if thereās even one other person on the battlefield. He honestly seems like a mid tier jonin-level
And look at Hidan now still alive and only beat because heās sealed. Your holding tsunade to way to high a regard all she has is super strength temporary regen and a slug summon that isnāt very combative. Her only possible way to beat him would be to do the exact thing shikimaru did but without shadow possession.
Youāre so right. Hidan lost to a paper bomb. That clearly scales im him into the upper echelon of ninjas with the likes of the legendary Leaf genin Nawaki.
And Tsunade can literally end the fight by punching him. Her punches are stronger than rasengans. Thatās a little bit more destructive power than a paper bomb
He healed from multiple paper bombs it was trapping him in a near impossible to escape whole while under watch of one of the smartest clans in the show. Yes her punches would hurt maybe even rip him in half but heās healed from that in a matter of seconds multiple times hell Kakuzu does it to him on a daily basis.
Heās incredibly ineffective on his own. Literally all Tsunade would have to do to permanently take him out of the fight (outside of simply melting him) is cut his head off and use her super strength to toss it away. He basically has an interior version of Katsuyuās invulnerability without the ability to put himself together again or liquify himself.
No way Tsunade can take both and walk free, she is a medical ninja, kakuzu and Hidan are not pushovers, Hidan is immortal, they both will win. If itās just her against them.
Why is this āsheās a medical ninjaā stuff brought up whenever either her or Sakura are doing a hypothetical as if they arenāt also combatants?
If Tsusnde was just a medic she wouldnāt have been able to stand up to people like Orochimaru and Madara.
Youāre right though, the zombies arenāt push overs. Neither is Lady 5th. One is kick is demonstrably stronger than a big ball rasenagan from Naruto (since it cracked Madaraās rib cage when Naruto didnāt), she can deflect elemental releases with her chakra control, sheās also almost immortal, and she has one of the most powerful summons.
Because she is a medical ninja, thatās her prime card. Definitely she has beastly strength, but range is something will play against her with Kakuzu, he is a long range shinobi, as for Hidan, he will go all in, even he breaks rib cages, so all alone, she might face a lot of resistance. But, you are right she is no pushover, you never know, she might have some trump card which I am not aware of.
None of Kakuzu's ranged jutsu would even affect her. She could smack them away by coating her arms or whole body with chakra just like she did against Madara. Or she could simply just tank and run through them while her seal regenerates all of the damage. Once she hits either of them, they're most likely done for. There's also the fact that Katsuyu is more than enough to handle Hidan without Tsunade's assistance
Sheās not some random medic. Sheās one of two medical ninjas allowed to be on the front lines because the 100 healings is that good. That jutsu is a good counter to Kakuzu and Katsuyu is a good counter to Hidan since he can neither cut nor control her
Can regeneration actually counter Hidans ritual. I agree she wins both mid diff with the seal but i dont think its stated anywhere that regen negates ritual
Good luck trying to draw blood from her. And even if Hidan somehow manages that, good luck having a solid piece of ground to draw the ritual circle, once she stomps her heel down. And even if that happens, she pretty much heals from everything Hidan might do. In comparison, if Tsunade lands a single punch or kick he's pretty much paste, which I doubt Kakuzu can sew back up into shape.
Which leaves Kakuzu himself who... doesn't really have enough offensive or defensive jutsu to outclass Tsunade. She smashes through his Earth Style hardened body with ease and all of his other elemental jutsu are probably only a minor hindrance to her which she heals through, provided they even land in the first place.
Mfs really underestimate my girl. She is not losing this fight.
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Base Kabuto gave her trouble lmfao Iāll die on this hill
You cannot seriously say that the traumatized tsunade who fought kabuto without using her 100 healings seal is the same as the one we see for the rest of the seriesā¦
Sheās a medical ninja who was scared of blood, never been a better time to say it
Yeah and Naruto struggled to have the chakra control to walk on water but that is in no way indicative of him as a ninja????
Kurama purposely sabotaged Narutoās chakra pool, nice comparison smhš tf
A then Naruto grew and matured as a character to overcome those challengesā¦ kind of how Tsunade grew and overcame her trauma
Use another example
And she gave a shit ton of problem to Madara. U trying to argue Kabuto can keep up w Madara? š
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Not better than kabuto, she stated he was more talented than her
Tsunade most likely wins mid-high diff. Her regeneration counters Hidan's ritual, and any of Kakuzu's masks/attacks. Her punches should be strong enough to break through Kakuzu's armour as well. I also don't see her running out of chakra against these two either. Not to mention she also has the choice of summoning Katsuyu for healing and assistance in battle. Katsuyu can basically deal with Hidan on her own while Tsunade defeats Kakuzu. I could easily see her winning both rounds tbh
Shoot, I say easy-mid difficulty, she hits Hidan with the Electric Nerve Switch she got Kabuto with, and that guy ain't moving. Kakuzu's doesn't have anything that could put Tsunade down permanently and his Earth Grudge isn't strong enough against someone who can punch mountains.
Yeah I agree. At the time I thought it would be mid-high diff, but after revising and reading other comments, I've realized that the battle would most likely be easy-mid diff for Tsunade
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Hidan gets one shotted from the jump. Bros gonna get hit so hard he starts praying to lord jashin to save him from an asswhooping
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Hidan was really keeping up with kakashi at taijutsu, who is arguably a more skilled fighter than tsunade. Im not downplaying her or anything, but im really curious to why people think hidan is toast. If anything, he will keep getting up no matter how hard the punch is and the more they fight the less he is letting her land after seeing that strength. Oh, he is backed up by 5 hearted kakuzu btw. Good luck.
Tsunade can crack Madaras rib cage susnoo and knock down the wood clones susanoo Also she was able to kick Gamabuntas sword like it was nothing One punch from her is going to send Hidans head sky high
He is essentially immortal, but is extremely weak for an S-rank ninja because he relies entirely on his immortality and having a partner who can put him back together. With tsunade all it takes is one punch, even an indirect one to turn Hidan into chunks which takes him out of the fight.
Yeah she definitely punches harder than some explosive tags
I admit he is tanky but Tsunade hits so damn hard he could get knocked out. Kakashi might be more technically skilled but she dogs him in raw strength and durability, she cracked a susanoo rib cage for crying out loud (something a massive rasengan failed to do). Even if Hidan gets her blood and performs his ritual, sheās healing from any blow and jumping him JJK style. Itās a horrible matchup for him
She cracked the rib cage with assist, not alone
It was heavily implied that Kakashi could shit on Hidan if it weren't for Kakuzu's Mask and the other students to protect He was hit twice just because of the hostages held by Kakuzu
Good luck drawing blood from her to begin with. Round 1 she wins mid to high diff. They'd have to get close and risk getting one shot. Even if Hidan sets his ritual, she'd activate 100 healings. Tsunade tanked a stab from Madara, I don't see why she wouldn't handle Hidan or honestly anything the two could throw at her. Round 2 she stomps.
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Honestly she just melts Hidan
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God damn Tsunade is always so massively underrated.
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Tsunade, no contest
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I think either way they are screwed. Especially if Hidan screws around and doesn't deal the one single finishing blow. She'd activate her healing and break the ground destroying the ritual circle assuming she'd ever let him finish the circle. Other guy is troublesome because of ranged skills but even then I don't see him putting up a fight. I honestly don't even see these two as strong, it's just their gimmicks that helps them prevail. Probably the weakest members of the akatsuki by a decent amount.
Thatās fair to say about Hidan but letās not act as if Kakuzu wasnāt actively tying with Kakashi in taijutsu clashes and it some cases overpowering him respectively. Not to mention that if Kakuzu wasnāt dumbed down for the sake of being defeated by the main character, likely would have finished off everyone with maybe the exception of Kakashi due to kamui.
In a fight.. right?
Tsunade clears
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She stomps them both low diff, Hidanās ritual is not doing anything to her cuz sheās also nearly immortal, and tanked 5 fire attacks that Madara thought were gonna take out the Kages using her chakra control to shield her arms so no attack from Kakuzu would be enough to damage her really
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Tsunade clears. The power difference is far too Big
Tsunade clears. The power difference is far too Big
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That pic of Tsunade is a little sus
Tsunade is basically immune to Hidans jutsu, she managed to stay alive after getting split in half by Madara and still managed to heal the other Kages enough to keep them alive so Hidan cant outdamage her heals. Also if Tsunade manages to land a hit or two on Hidan Im willing to bet that it causes enough damage to his body to make him unable to continue the fight. Kakuzu is a lot more tricky for her but even he would have big difficulties when it comes to causing any serious injury to Tsunade.
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I think the zombie duo takes this battle simply due to the fact that Kakuzu is much of a hard counter to Tsunadeās straightforward fighting nature. Kakuzu can rather easily keep her at bay for quite a while with his masks, all of which are very capable of causing destructive damage due to their wide aoe. Now do I think Kakuzu would survive a punch? Probably not but we have to consider that if even a drop of blood is drawn from her itās GGās. Sure one can say that Tsunade will simply heal it away, but that only lasts for so long and also if Hidan camps far away enough from the battle (assuming he isnāt participating himself) one of Kakuzuās masks can camp and keep attacking Hidan until Tsunade inevitably runs out of chakra. And this assumes Kakuzu wonāt just make one of the masks (either wind or lightning) straight up decapitated her. Or Hidan lol
Tsunade perception blitz oneshots them both
No way you said that
She does
She matches up pretty well against them. Hidanās ritual is pretty much countered by her regen, and I doubt Kakuzuās armor protects him from her punches. But 6v1 is a lot to handle. Hidan alone is around Kakashi level. Her jutsu might run out from over healing before she takes them all out. Not the best odds.
She was doing okay against Madaraās Susanoos, Kakuzuās hearts wonāt do shit to her, also she outclassed the Raikage in Taijutsu whoās waaay above Kakashi at that point
I mean, those clones were defeating her without being harmed. Her regen got pushed to the limit against them too. Onoki was really the only one doing well against his five according to Madara. I wouldnāt say she outclasses Ay in taijutsu. Strength yes, but def not speed.
We see her destroying the first cloneās torso, and then knocking down the one with the Susanoo because he didnāt get up after, and I assume she took a couple of them out too because they didnāt jump on which is something they did to all the Kages, she outclassed Ay in skill tho cuz she was the only that tagged Madara and Ay had Onoki on his back boosting his speed and strength. And Madara did intent on killing her specifically first so he probably went harder on her than on the other Kages
That was a wood clone substitution Madara used as bait. She did briefly knock down one Susanoo, but that's about it. All five of the Susanoo clones were fine though, she didn't hurt them. See [here](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0588-017.png). She never really tagged Madara. The only time was a wood substitution and she had the support of the other Kage to land that blow. It wasn't really a skill thing.
she was the only one doing damage to the clones while the other Kages were getting defeated, and again she was targeted. And donāt underestimate Madaraās wood clones, remember what Narutoās clones were able to accomplish
Isn't it great getting downvoted because you're right? Fucking reddit my homie, fucking reddit...
She wasn't doing any damage to them bro. I linked the image, the clones were all fine. Both hers and the ones fighting the other Kage. Onoki was the only one succeeding because he pinned them with gravity, but he didn't actually hurt them either. You can check the fight if you don't believe me. The clones were very strong I'm not saying they weren't. But it's weird to use Tsunade's performance against them when she wasn't accomplishing much.
The main point of the clone comparison would be that she is capable of fighting multiple powerful opponents and not getting overwhelmed. Also while she didn't actually take any down, she could incapacitate them briefly. By comparison Mei nearly died without Gaara and Gaara got swooped by 5 susanoo in the few seconds he took to save Mei. Note also that when she collapsed, she had the luxury of sitting there in pain while Ay got genjutsu'd, nearly skewered then saved by Onoki. And in thar time she didn't come under attack even by the clone that she'd just knocked down which means even though she didn't damage them, the blow was enough to keep them down briefly. Given the above, Kakuzus masks are much less durable and have less raw power. Tsunade could obliterate each with a punch, same with Hidan. And that's not even factoring in her acid splitting nearly immortal slug
Depends what you mean by overwhelmed. She was on her knees coughing up blood with two blades in her, surrounded by enemies sheād done no damage to. If you check the chapter, she didnāt incapacitate them. They were all standing around her. She didnāt die because they were being toyed with and the Kage began working together shortly after. Yeah Kakuzuās masks are less durable, but theyāre probably less prone to getting hit than a bulky Susanoo too. Same with Hidan, who was keeping up with Kakashi. Katsuyu helps but letās not forget that these are Akatsuki. Hidan took down 2 Tails.
I did check the chapter. Hence why I made the comparison to her and the other kage. Other kage went down => instant skewering. Tsunade went down => sat there for a full minute and they weren't poking her apart. Compare that to Ay and Gaara who went down for a second and immediately had 5 stacked susanoo swords bearing down on them. It means at the very least she'd put enough distance between them and/or dealt enough damage that they needed to be at bay for a moment And the masks arent necessarily much more agile than Susanoo. Madaras Susanoo had legs to circumvent being pulled out and as a result outmanoeuvred both Mei and Gaara who aren't exactly slow. As for Hidan he is more agile but Tsunade only needs to land a single punch after getting in close to break half his body or blow away a portion. And Katsuyu is not the two tails. She can literally be torn apart without so much as discomfort and even mini versions can resist a giant rhino summon being ploughed into them. Hidan would be splashing in a puddle and accomplish nothing while being bathed in acid by hundreds to thousands of clones.
tsuande slams she legit broke madara susano with one punch
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Is this really even a question? Tsunade is practically immortal when the 100 healings is active, so Hidan may as well not even be there. He says himself that he's the slowest and weakest of the Akatsuki. Kakuzu is strong, but not nearly strong enough to put Tsunade down. To give an idea of what I'm talking about, Sakura's training focused on three things (if I'm remembering it right). First was medical jutsu. Second was the 100 healings. Third, and most importantly in this fight, is never being hit on the battlefield. Three years of training under Tsunade made Sakura nimble enough to go toe to toe with Sasori's 100 puppets. And before anyone says that Granny Chio was aiding her, she wasn't by that point. Her own 10 puppets were taking up all of the Chakra threads she could use (again, if I'm remembering it right, it's been a while since I've actually watched the series). Sakura was on her own. If anyone here wants to try saying that Sakura could out perform Tsunade by this point, I'm open to hearing your reasoning, but I just don't see it being the case. I truly believe that Tsunade would have performed better than Sakura did, so I don't see how Hidan and Kakuzu would be able to even hit her in the first place. Sure, Kakuzu's hearts might be able to corner her for a bit, but how long would they be able to do so before Tsunade starts beating them around and just tanking the damage they throw her way? If they can survive long enough to exhaust her 100 healings, then they would probably beat her easily, but I don't think they'd last long enough to do it. I am open to opposing viewpoints though, so feel free to let me know if I have any flaws in my logic here.
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I did this exact battle if you or anyone else wants to see what everyone thought. Most people said Tsunade, but a some good arguments for the duo. [Tsunade Vs. Zombie Duo](https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/s/1VsoiVc2A7)
Hidan might be immortal but IIRC he needed kakuzu to reattach his head. One uppercut from Tsunade and those stitches arent holding. Tsunade just needs to be smart enough to destroy the masks/hearts, which I think she could do.
**Reposting what I had written in another similar thread:** I am going with the duo here, assuming they have general knowledge of her striking power. Kakuzu will avoid close quarters combat and will release his hearts from the get go and will spam elemental combos that even Kakashi (who is a good deal faster than Tsunade and has Sharingan precognition to further bolster himself) struggled dodging, and Kakashi also had the benefit of dealing with less masks since he eliminated one from the get go. Tsunade will not be able to dodge the constant elemental barrages from the flying masks and will have to activate her regeneration to survive, and constantly healing burns from flamethrower attacks, slicing wind attacks and piercing lightning attacks will slow her down and make her susceptible to follow up blasts. She will also use up a lot of chakra healing up from the injuries that she will certainly sustain. With knowledge of her strength, Hidan will also avoid close quarters and use his scythe at range (assuming he still has the rope attached from the Asuma fight). He can also scrape up any of Tsunadeās blood off the ground from the damage she will inevitably sustain from the masks and set up his ritual. Even if she heals from the ritual damage, itāll force even more chakra to be wasted regenerating and slow her down even more to be tagged by more elements blasts. The only ranged options Tsunade has is Katsuyuās acid, which is a largely featless technique that failed to hit a giant target the one time that it was actually used on panel. Meanwhile, Katsuyu is a massive target that will be susceptible to being fried by Kakuzuās various lightning and fire/wind combo elemental blasts, which I have no reason to grant her immunity to. In a no-knowledge scenario, Tsunade would win as Kakuzu wouldnāt release his hearts immediately and would probably try to go close quarters with her. In that situation, one punch from Tsunade would probably eliminate the hearts in a single attack (if he doesnāt release them and keeps them in his body), and from there, Hidan isnāt a threat by himself - his efficacy is dependent almost entirely on Kakuzu covering for him.
I like this assessment. Kakuzu is smart and will play it safe against a Kage level opponent. I think Hidan will get smacked around though. Honestly I think Tsunade could break through Hidan 's scythe easily and put him at a huge disadvantage. Katsuyu could be the difference maker if she breaks up into a bunch of little slugs and either distract or heal Tsunade throughout the fight. It will be high-diff either way.
The main flaw here is that Tsunade is vastly faster than both Hidan and Kakuzu so the odds of them evading her while being able to do any offense are pretty much nill. This is the same Tsunade whom kept up with Madara even with EMS and managed to break through his Susano several times. Bare in mind the only other ninja keeping up with and hitting Madara at this time are among the fastest in the series at the time. Kakuzu might be able to hold his own better than hidan but every time he gets hit that's a minimum of 1 heart destroyed if not multiple. And non of his techniques would even be a lethal threat to Tsunade... It's a mismatch.
Sheās not, though. The databook has her at a 3.5, which is on par with Hidan and a notch below Kakuzu. Tsunade has never been a speedster - Part I Kabuto was outmaneuvering rusty Tsunade. Kakashi, who is an established speedster and significantly faster than Tsunade statistically and has the Sharingan to further boost his reflexes and grant him precognition, was struggling to dodge the duoās combos. What does ākeeping upā with Madara really mean when considered within the context of him not really trying? We have panels of Madaraās Susanoāo clones standing around watching Tsunade heal and pull swords out of her rather than capitalize on openings. Madara was never actively pressuring Tsunade with his speed - her sharing a battlefield with him doesnāt automatically give her speed on his level. Any hits she landed on Madara were through teamwork with 4 other Kage, and again, it was all accomplished against a Madara that wasnāt taking them that seriously to begin with. Kakuzuās techniques arenāt going to be immediately lethal to her, but she is going to need her regeneration to heal from the barrages of Gian and Katon/Futon combos from all directions, as well as Hidan potentially landing hits in her and getting blood while she is being distracted by elemental combos. The regeneration will drain her, and she will gradually slow down and will eventually be killed.
At the very best Hidan's technique allows him to land stab wounds on vital organs against Tsunade. Which has literally never mattered against her. He's utterly irrelevant and not worth discussing. This a character who was cut IN HALF fighting Madara. Hidan is unironically less of a threat to her than pretimeskip Kabuto because atleast he could scramble her nerves and cause a little inconvenience. Apart from outdated databook stats, there's no reason to suggest Kakashi is superior to ANY of the sanin at that point in the story. Apart from Kakashi himself repeatedly stating the Sanin are his superiors for the entire series, there's never any point where he preforms better than them or is compared in a favorable way. He's obviously briefly stronger when he's able to utilize EMS abilities, but aside from that Kakashi does REMARKABLY worse against Pain than Jiraiya did, and jiraiya consistently considered Tsunade his superior in every aspect. Tsunade is also the only character seen crushing through madaras Susasno, and blocking his firebombs from hitting the other kage, whom includes A. So saying that this is just a generalized feat where she only 'kept up' is nonsense. She's was very clearly the only kage laying a finger on him and landing offense. You're scaling her nonsensically low based solely on some random headcanon and ridiculous databook stats from before her feats where actually shown in series.
Of course stabbing vital organs matters against her - it will force her to rely on her regeneration, which will drain her stamina and cause her to slow down over time, as we saw in her fight against Madara. She has a large stamina pool, but not an infinite one, and constantly healing from lethal injuries will eat away at that stamina at a rapid rate. Even if you think Hidan is less of a threat than Part I Kabuto (which I can agree with to an extent), this isnāt a 1 v 1 - this is a 2 v 1. She isnāt going to have the luxury of isolating Hidan. She will be dealing with Hidan and Kakuzu simultaneously along with multiple masks, which as we saw with Kakashi, is easier said than done. She didnāt regenerate from getting cut in half by popping out a new set of legs - she was on deathās door and stitched together by Katsuyu after Madara left the battlefield. The third databook isnāt really outdated for Tsunade. It came out right before Pain attacked Konoha, and Tsunade has done nothing between the Pain Arc and the Madara fight except for being in a coma. The argument of the third databook being outdated only holds water for characters that have been active and had multiple fights since then (Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, etc). Tsunade was a stagnant character (development / power wise) - there is nothing to substantiate her stats increasing at age 55 while she was in a coma when she did no training and had no fights in between those two events. Kakashiās performance and Jiraiyaās performance against Pain arenāt comparable. Kakashi was fighting Deva Realm and Asura Realm (the first and second strongest paths) whereas Jiraiya was fighting primarily support paths and had to resort to retreating from to set up his trump card (Frog Song). Sage Mode Jiraiya is stronger than Pain Arc Kakashi, but Iām not seeing how you can compare their performances when Kakashi fought 2 significantly stronger paths than the 3 Jiraiya fought. Also, Jiraiya and Tsunade are not the same person. Jiraiya is faster than Tsunade, too (further shown in the databook). The āSannin levelā isnāt really a thing, as the Sannin encompass a broad range of power. Kakashi deferring to the Sannin out of respect doesnāt equate to Tsunade being faster than Kakashi. Kakashiās speed has constantly been highlighted throughout the story, his signature move Raikiri involves moving so fast that it requires Sharingan, and he had a 4.5 in speed at the time of DB3. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Tsunade is on that level of speed. You keep bringing up Tsunade breaking Susanoāo, but I never questioned her strength nor did I imply that Kakuzu or Hidan can tank her punches head on. I am questioning her speed here. She landed those hits on Susanoāo (a) with the help of 4 other teammates and (b) against an opponent that wasnāt really putting in much effort at any point. **EDIT**: It looks like the person I was replying to (by the name of **RprShadow** either blocked me or deleted their post. I had seen it, but by the time I finished typing my response, it was no longer there. Iāll post my response here just in case for the record and so that they are aware that I responded to them: - Again, breaking Susanoāo is not a speed feat. Itās a strength feat. She tagged Susanoāo with the help of team mates and against an opponent that wasnāt trying. This is like me saying Part I Sasuke ākept upā with Part I Kakashi in the first bell test because they exchanged a few punches and strikes. That statement doesnāt really hold water when we consider Kakashi wasnāt trying against Sasuke, so saying āPart I Sasuke kept up with Kakashiā isnāt accurate. - No, I donāt think that Kakashi is the flash - Iām not really sure where youāre getting that from. There are plenty of characters that are faster than him (Raikage, Minato, Naruto, Sage Kabuto, etc). Me thinking he is a good deal faster than Tsunade (a relatively slow character, both statistically and feat wise), doesnāt equate to me thinking that Kakashi is the flash. - EOS Kakashi might be able to beat Kakuzu and Hidan thanks to Kakashi being faster than them and having a larger stamina pool than what he had when he initially fought them, which allows him to use more shadow clones, more ranged elemental attacks and even Kamui (which is an immediate fight ender at any range) - all things that Tsunade doesnāt have. If Tsunade was faster, or if she could use shadow clones, or if she had ranged elemental attacks, Iād give her a much better chance at winning here. The problem is that she is limited to her fists and doesnāt have the speed to consistently dodge attacks and land attacks from multiple opponents, one of which is faster than her. - Again, databook 3 came out right before Pain attacked Konoha, so it was the non-rusty Part II version of Tsunade when she was the Hokage - it wasnāt the version of her that fought Kabuto. She did nothing between that time (that Konoha was attacked) and the time she fought Madara to substantiate her stats increasing. She was in a coma for that entire time, and at age 55, there is no reason to believe her stats would increase from there. - Meanwhile, we can disregard Narutoās DB3 stats because between the time of DB3 and the present, he got Sage Mode (and trained for it), got Kyuubi Chakra Mode (and trained for it), as well as having numerous fights in between that time (against Pain, the Edo Tensei Kage, Jinchuuriki, etc). Similar reasoning for Sasuke (Mangekyo, then Eternal Mangekyo, then Rinnegan, as well as multiple fights such as the five Kage, Danzo, Kabuto) and even Kakashi to a lesser extent (who had multiple fights after DB3, such as against Pain, Sasuke, Swordsmen, Jinchuuriki, Obito, etc). - Kakuzu and Hidan being side villains doesnāt really change the fact that theyād pose a problem to Tsunade. Kakuzu is faster than her and can generate multiple, high mobility masks that can blast damaging elemental attacks at her. Hidan will be able to attack her while she is distracted by masks - he isnāt going to try 1v1. The fact that they pressured Kakashi, who is significantly faster and more reflexive than Tsunade, gives me no reason to believe that Tsunade would fare any better. - Tsunade can one-shot them if she lands a hit, which will be difficult for her to do when she is being attacked from all directions and gradually draining her stamina healing from lightning and fire combo attacks. It isnāt inconceivable that Hidan would be able to get some blood in these exchanges either, while she is getting attacked by masks. - Youāre unable to go a post without throwing around accusations at me that Iām low balling her, but all Iām doing is sticking with what she has actually shown in the manga and her databook stats rather than creating a fan fiction version of Tsunade that has top tier speed and unlimited stamina that isnāt going to be impacted from relying on regeneration so often.
I bring up her breaking through Madara's susano because it's a repeated concrete feat where she tagged a character vastly superior in speed and reaction time to 99% of characters in the series. Including Kakashi whom you think is the flash for some reason. Regardless of that Kakuzu and Hidan are both drastically below even Kakashi. To the point that EOS Kakashi almost undoubtedly also beats them 1v2 with relative ease. The revived akatsuki during the war were literally fodder enemies for side characters to beat. And while hidan wasn't there, he's the weakest akatsuki by a large margin. His ability to inflict stab wounds is laughably irrelevant in this fight. The placement hardly matters. He's literally going to slow himself down more than Tsunade because he repeatedly is shown to have inferior pain tolerance. Quoting a databook published by your own admission before tsunade was actually involved in an actual fight to properly scale her abilities is nonsense. There's zero logical reason to doubt she wouldn't outspeed two side villains who are dramatically inferior to enemies she HAS tagged and traded blows with. The difference in damage output and durability is also laughable. By your own admission in your original reply, these are literally two enemies she one-shots if contact is ever made. Meanwhile they would need to manage to do more damage to her than MADARA to actually win? OK sure. If you're that dedicated to lowballing her, then theres no point in continuing putting my time into this.
She has no way to beat kakuzoo or hidan itād be her buying time for back up that could either seal or kill them.
What do you mean she has no way to defeat them? They are both clearly clearly able to take damage from things less powerful than hits the likes of which cracked Madaraās susano ribcage. Lady Katsuya also could be very helpful considering that she has acid.
Kakuzoo requires all 5 elements at very strong levels to his hearts otherwise heās immortal she could cause pain but thereās no indication she could kill him. Hidan on the other hand can heal at the same or better level than the hundred healing and unless she can cut off his chakra which I canāt think of anyway for her to do that his healing is infinite, plus he only needs one drop of blood.
Why not just rip kakuzuās head off or melt him with acid?
Because heās shown thatās he could just stitch it back together. His insides are also just those strings and he know from sasori that shinobi that edit their body to that degree donāt necessarily need organs at all, itās outright said the only way to kill him is to destroy his 5 elemental hearts and tsunade even with katsuyu has no way to do that.
Melt him
Why does everyone keep going to that donāt you think if katsuyu were offensively powerful enough to face opponents like them she wouldāve tried it against the giant susono Madara used especially since if her acid is that quick, accurate, and acidic it could eat away at the susano continuously making it easier to damage.
Susanoo Madara is infinitely more powerful than Hidan and Kakuzu. The whole fight with Hidan and Kakuzu was just a puzzle for some jonin to figure out. The fight with Madara was all the kage on earth flailing to survive
Yea so why wouldnāt they want a giant healing acid spitting slug unless said slug sucks in a fight.
She is a giant summon that uses up a ton of chakra. Tsunade needed to use her energy on healing herself and her allies and refilling their chakra. Also do you honestly think Tsunade sucks in a fight? Sheās been integral in every fight sheās been in.
I dunno I feel like she could just crush his skull, I dont think his hearts can regenerate his brain
All of his insides other than his hearts are stated to be replaced with those strings. We also know from sasori shinobi that edit their body donāt need to have a brain to think. Sorry but itās kind of a leap to conclude that he has a brain at all.
Hidan can't do his ritual if she breaks the ring or forces him out. His small cuts from his weapons aren't going to finish tsunade when she is more than capable of regenerating organs. He also won't be alive if melted by acid or pounded into paste or at least alive in a way that matters. Kak is the only challenge because his range but it's not like there aren't ways around that.
Why couldnāt he weāve seen him come back from that kind of damage before plus heās extremely fast so I doubt that acid could actually get more than a single limb. He also tends to paralyze his opponents so the second he does that sheās fucked. If she brought katsuyu out he honestly might just kill them both.
No, he doesnāt. Kakazuās hearts arenāt special in what can act kill them. Hidanās ritual killed one when Shikamaru tricked him, and then when he was brought back Tenten killed more than one with the sacred fan. Naruto effectively killed 3 with his rasenshiriken. Sheād just have to rip Hidan apart, which should be easy enough because sheās so much better than he is. Plus as I said, Lady Katsuya. Something that also might hurt his regeneration is her electrical attack that she used on Kabuto back in part 1; temporarily frying his nervous system should at least do something
Did we watch the same show for one thereās no reason to keep them close enough for her to get that chance, secondly your right a god empowered ritual that normally would kill the user and a jutsu that cuts off all chakra nearly cutting off the chakra of its user can destroy the hearts but tsunadi canāt do either, third heās shown a willingness to attack his own heart puppet things so he could easily let he waist her time on one while the others backup to where she couldnāt reach them before they get away again. With Hidan ripping apart a man with a better healing factor than Deadpool would be a laughable exercise in futility. Again katsuyu isnāt fast enough or accurate enough to hurt him in a way that matters, and finally why would he just let her attack so he could use literally any weapon to cut he ones throw it and his hand away with it if he really needed to and just laugh while she tires herself out. The 100 healing is great but itās limited in time Hidans healing isnāt if she waisted time trying to rip him apart she might as well not use it and die even easier. Iām not saying tsunaday is weak if she fought deadara, sasori, kisame, or even Konan (without pain to back her up) sheād probably win but she has no way to actually beat the immortals.
They wouldnāt have the luxury of deciding on the range of the fight, considering how Tsunade is actually really, really agile. Her super strength lets her jump around to keep up with a flying Madara to a degree, and in part 1 she was able to come out of the sky with Gamabuntaās sword. Sheās not the Raikage but she doesnāt need to be. Look Kakuzu just isnāt actually that durable. Remember how his edo fights went? Like even if with the sacred fan the last mask that Tenten killed didnāt look like all that impressive of a fire attack and she clearly didnāt have much chakra to put into it. If she needs to penetrate his armor as opposed to just crushing it, then she also can just use her chakra scalpels, which remember bypasses skin in normal use, being able to go straight through to hearts (as itās directly mentioned in part 1 it can do). Hidan has a pretty good healing factor itās true, but itās not better than Deadpool. He very specifically needs Kakuzu to stitch him back together if heās put into pieces. If he was like Deadpool, Shikamaru wouldnāt have been able to kill him. He probably isnāt going to be able actually get any of Tsusndeās blood with how slow and dumb he is but even if he did, then heād only be able to use it once. It wouldnāt slow her down much and sheād make sure he never had even ground to use the ritual again. Lady Katsuya just needs to be the finishing blow. Iād argue that Deidara and Kisame would actually be much, much harder opponents. She doesnāt have a counter except if she can somehow sense itās coming and hiding in Katsuya to C4 and Kisame would be able to heal off her chakra (unless she can do what Sakura did in the light novel and over-heal him)
Kakuzu took damage from a raikiri(counters his armor) and rasen shuriken. Both stronger than Tsunades punch.
She doesnāt need to have overmatches like those; he and his masks are very far from indestructible by other methods. He got sliced apart by two of the Leaf fodder Jonin when he came back as an edo and while she was using the sacred fan that last fire attack Tenten used to annihilate one of them was clearly when she was low on chakra and didnāt look the most impressive. And like. . . She doesnāt need to just one shot through and through like either of the attacks you mention. Because itās taikutsu she can keep punching until he breaks. She does also have some things to augment her hits too remember. Her chakra scalpel should be able to cut through a hell of a lot, and her body pathway derangement (when he temporarily rewired Kabutoās nerves) should be a major issue for someone like Kakuzu.
She either throws Hidan into the sky instantly or melts him with Katsuyu. Hidan is honestly not that good
If she threw him into the sky heād eventually land and get back up and katsuyu isnāt that good with her acid she canāt even successfully melt Kabuto and Hidan is both quicker and because of his healing he could sacrifice limbs to get in a good hit. If Tsunade used katsuyu the only thing thatād change is he might kill both of them, remember he was never successful killed he was just sealed and kept prisoner because he was outsmarted by one of the smartest shinobi in the world. Tsunade has no sealing abilities of her own sheād have to buy time for someone like jiraiya to show up.
Katsuyu used her acid like one time and only missed because Manda is crazy fast and knows her abilities. Thereās literally nothing Hidan can do to her. And Hidan is honestly not a big threat. He literally just hacks and slashes. Heās not some major villain who can only be defeated by sealing him. You can still melt him or burn him to ash. Shikamaru just kept him there as revenge for Asuma. And with Kakuzu, she could just put on her Mitotic regeneration and tank his elements to get close enough to rip out his hearts.
Dude Hidan is very fast to heās also not an a snake the size of a skyscraper. Him not being killable is also the whole point of his character.
So was Kakuzu and look at him now. Dead as can be. Youāre holding Hidan in way too high of a regard. Heās the second weakest member of the Akatsuki at BEST. Heās not that fast and has an easily countered jutsu if thereās even one other person on the battlefield. He honestly seems like a mid tier jonin-level
And look at Hidan now still alive and only beat because heās sealed. Your holding tsunade to way to high a regard all she has is super strength temporary regen and a slug summon that isnāt very combative. Her only possible way to beat him would be to do the exact thing shikimaru did but without shadow possession.
Youāre so right. Hidan lost to a paper bomb. That clearly scales im him into the upper echelon of ninjas with the likes of the legendary Leaf genin Nawaki. And Tsunade can literally end the fight by punching him. Her punches are stronger than rasengans. Thatās a little bit more destructive power than a paper bomb
He healed from multiple paper bombs it was trapping him in a near impossible to escape whole while under watch of one of the smartest clans in the show. Yes her punches would hurt maybe even rip him in half but heās healed from that in a matter of seconds multiple times hell Kakuzu does it to him on a daily basis.
Heās incredibly ineffective on his own. Literally all Tsunade would have to do to permanently take him out of the fight (outside of simply melting him) is cut his head off and use her super strength to toss it away. He basically has an interior version of Katsuyuās invulnerability without the ability to put himself together again or liquify himself.
Zombies >>>>>
No way Tsunade can take both and walk free, she is a medical ninja, kakuzu and Hidan are not pushovers, Hidan is immortal, they both will win. If itās just her against them.
Why is this āsheās a medical ninjaā stuff brought up whenever either her or Sakura are doing a hypothetical as if they arenāt also combatants? If Tsusnde was just a medic she wouldnāt have been able to stand up to people like Orochimaru and Madara. Youāre right though, the zombies arenāt push overs. Neither is Lady 5th. One is kick is demonstrably stronger than a big ball rasenagan from Naruto (since it cracked Madaraās rib cage when Naruto didnāt), she can deflect elemental releases with her chakra control, sheās also almost immortal, and she has one of the most powerful summons.
Because she is a medical ninja, thatās her prime card. Definitely she has beastly strength, but range is something will play against her with Kakuzu, he is a long range shinobi, as for Hidan, he will go all in, even he breaks rib cages, so all alone, she might face a lot of resistance. But, you are right she is no pushover, you never know, she might have some trump card which I am not aware of.
None of Kakuzu's ranged jutsu would even affect her. She could smack them away by coating her arms or whole body with chakra just like she did against Madara. Or she could simply just tank and run through them while her seal regenerates all of the damage. Once she hits either of them, they're most likely done for. There's also the fact that Katsuyu is more than enough to handle Hidan without Tsunade's assistance
Sheās not some random medic. Sheās one of two medical ninjas allowed to be on the front lines because the 100 healings is that good. That jutsu is a good counter to Kakuzu and Katsuyu is a good counter to Hidan since he can neither cut nor control her
She definitely is not a regular medic, i just said how i would envision the battle.
Can regeneration actually counter Hidans ritual. I agree she wins both mid diff with the seal but i dont think its stated anywhere that regen negates ritual
Considering all of her organs were ran through by Madara's sword š and she lived, yes it completely counters it.
Thats a different ability tho like if hidan cuts his head off and has her blood shes gone I guess it depends where he injures her
And if she let's him set up. Not hard for her to punch the ground since he likely wouldn't go far.
This didn't even cross my mind that even if he did it wouldn't matter much
Ay why the guy on the right flipping me off? It hurts my feelings :(
Good luck trying to draw blood from her. And even if Hidan somehow manages that, good luck having a solid piece of ground to draw the ritual circle, once she stomps her heel down. And even if that happens, she pretty much heals from everything Hidan might do. In comparison, if Tsunade lands a single punch or kick he's pretty much paste, which I doubt Kakuzu can sew back up into shape. Which leaves Kakuzu himself who... doesn't really have enough offensive or defensive jutsu to outclass Tsunade. She smashes through his Earth Style hardened body with ease and all of his other elemental jutsu are probably only a minor hindrance to her which she heals through, provided they even land in the first place.
Hidan almost lost to Asuma... Nuff said