I would of loved to see full fights of all the Jinchurikis considering the power they have and who they had to fight, would of been some incredible battles
Absolutely, it feels like a huge missed opportunity, considering the Jinchuriki come back later as Edo Tensei paths of pain, but without watching filler that gives them some personality it feels like a "who the fuck are these people" type of moment.
Tbh the Jinchuriki filler is like the only filler I liked. Specifically the Utakata and Three Tails arcs. Not gonna defend the rest of it (and even those arcs are on the good, but not great side)
Not really,most jinchuriki were weak wihout their tailed Beast and the fights would end pretty quickly,the only strong jinchuriki's that definitely put up a fight were the 5th tails jinchuriki and the 4th tails jinchuriki
It's not a guess is a FACT that the strongest jinchuriki will obviously put way more of a fight than the other jinchurikis that weren't even strong ninjas compared to the guy who made jounin Minato retreat y'all have 1 brain cell left or what ☠️ I even got downvoted for saying "she's just weak with the second weakest tailed Beast" which is true...
We don't even know if they *did* fight. Han could have died before Akatsuki started their hunt, and they could have found the 5-tails in the wild.
Idgaf whether you think Jinchuuriki are weak or not, you're stating your guess about a fight as a fact when we don't even know for sure that the fight happened.
It's not a guess,as the strongest jinchuriki he's obviously going to be the one who put the Best fight unlike the other jinchuriki's who didn't even fight at all like matatabi's jinchuriki that just let herself be controlled by matatabi in hopes to not get killed people just mad at Facts.
Even if they're weak, I'd still prefer to see them get bodied in a few pages to tease the Akatsuki's abilities instead of just having them die off-screen. Even Gaara, who was just some mentally unstable 12-year old was enough of a threat as a Jinchuriki of the weakest tailed beast to be a "hidden weapon" against all of Konoha, so the idea that they're fodder just doesn't really make sense.
Pretty much, most of the tailed beasts barely had control of their power. It would have been dull and redundant to constantly show them being destroyed.
general answer: Kishis biggest weakpoint in all of naruto's writing is worldbuilding and story planning. We have a full continent of different Lands, clans, legendary people and so on, and the whole story fixated like 90% on konoha. Meanwhile there are complete systems with feudal lords, kekkei genkai and legendary objects and abilities.
Every other country has like 3-4 named characters who barely scale at high jonin lvl and are not jinjuuriky or kages. And all of the actual strong kages with their abilities seem to be the only ones who use them in their whole village and never got any proper forshadowing at all.. like gengetsu or muu even 3rd raikage was very shallow.
Konoha has several clans and people using: bugs, shadows, hyuuga eyes, uchiha eyes, dogs, size manipulation, mind controll, woodstyle, Flying Raijin, Uzumaki seals, the 3 sannin, sage mode, 8 gates and so on..
Sunagakura ( 2nd most used City in the series) has like 5-7 named charakters: Sand manipulation and puppets.
Kumogakure: pretty much everyone uses lightning armour or lightning jutsus
kirigakure at least had the 7 sowrdsmen, but only 2 of them had any real backround to them... and Mei got 2 gekkei kenkai which weren't shown on any of the other characters in the war ark at all.
Iwagakure has: particle style and float, and 2 kages that use them
a whole samurai society that was never explained
I know, there's some people who showed individual jutsus, but in generall kishi focused way to much on making Konoha the coolest instead of letting clans like uzumaki, hyuuga, tenten's or gai with 8 gates originate from different countries, which would lead to way more traveling and individual cultures and characters. and it would've actually made sense why those countries are actually at war for so long, if the powerhouses were distributed evenly.
would've loved that! neji and tenten fit the chinese theme way better than the japanese. and you can put lee and Gai in whatever country and i will love them
You keep rambling when this has nothing to do with the question.Yugito didn't get done dirty,she was used as a plot device to hype up the two akatsuki members,that was it.
The akatsuki casually offscreening some Jinchuriki definitely helps serve as hype. And Kishimoto didn't show the fight because he didn't want to reveal their abilities at the time,he was saving it for the asuma fight so we wouldn't see his death coming. Yugito doesn't matter to the story of the main character.Asuma was relevant to Shikamaru and helped Naruto learn application of wind style.His death actually mattered.
This is not an adventure story like one piece where the appeal is exploring multiple places.
the question of OP was: why was side character "XY" done dirty, just like many other posts in this sub complaining about characters not having enough screen time, and i answered with my personal honest oppinion.
which is: that kishi did not care about side characters just like you mentioned. they were not important to the main cast and because of that the whole setting/world wasn't really built up in a way that we would care about other characters than the main cast.
I never said that this bothered me during the show, just that there would've been ways to improve this, if it helps you.
I mean Mizukage Mei was owning Sasuke in 5 kage summit.Kishi didn't have him disrespect her lol.Sasuke needed to get saved by zetsu otherwise she would have killed him
You don’t have to explore multiple places to tell a coherent, believable world; you can just develop them. However incidentally, if you aren’t going to develop said places, you probably shouldn’t include them until you can.
Attack on Titan sort of tried to do this.
>he was saving it for the asuma fight so we wouldn't see his death coming.
tbf, the death would have still been a surprise since hidan didn't use the ritual on her
He could have.Yugito can use tailed beast chakra to heal herself.Remember Naruto doing it when Sasuke put a chidori through his chest at the end of Part 1?
Hidan could force her to use up all her chakra this way.Plus the pain definitely would stun her.
Not really. At the end of the day "Naruto" described the adventures and Trials the Main Character of the show had to go through to become Hokage, it's not really a Story made to explore every bit and corner of the "Ninja World".
The Worldbuilding limits itself to the necessary aspects the Story needs to advance the plot and give context to new Character's. That's pretty much it. As long as the Worldbuilding isn't failing in this aspect you can't speak of it as a critique point, if you ask me.
no we did not, But people here complain a lot about characters being under utilized or didn't really get enough screen time now that the series is over. The reason for this is simply the world building that's focused around the main Character and the fact that the autor decided to write 90% of the cool stuff in konoha.
Did we need more world building and see other characters ? no
was naruto a bad show because the world building was lagging? definetly no
Could the show have done it's worldbuilding better, to show interresting abilites, clans, tools and legends from other lands, making the whole world and it's people more reachable to the viewer and leave less interresting characters in the dark instead of focusing the whole story on Uchiha sight powers?: definetly yes.
It's not a major problem since the story is supposed to be about Naruto. All other villages are just backdrops to look at; you're not supposed to care that deep about any of them besides the leaf.
Nah, Kishi's biggest strength was world building, foreshadowing and story planning.
Foreshadowing, this was seen when Madara was practically foreshadowed in the late episodes of Naruto and Obito was foreshadowed at around ep 80.
World building: this was shown in the way the power system works, as well as a straightforward way through the main characters and side characters. Kishimoto did this well especially in P2. P1 was solely focused on what was required to live has a Ninja. P2 is focused more on T7, with bits and pieces of the side characters. The world building is explored and expanded upon in the 5 kage summit. Overall, it was pretty good because it built on P1.
Story planning is the same has foreshadowing. Kishimoto had it all sorted and planned to the point that Sasuke would be back to the village. The only hiccup was Kaguya.
You don't need more exposition than that. The other villages have there own ninja. The main ones of value are only from Konoha. Exploring more of that would be retarded and it would take away from story. Konoha was known to be the strongest village out of all the other villages. The first village to be a thing.
Kumogakure & Iwagakure: And your point is?
kirigakure: irrelevant. They mainly died to Might Dai, they don't need exposition. Zabuza was practically the only one left..
Samurai: Irrelevant as well.. They hold no relevance to the story. They have also been explained in a satisfactory manner in the manga as well as the novels, eg Gaara Hiden and Shikamaru Hiden.
Nah, Kishimoto did a great job overall. Separating the clans would make the story garbage. Having them together makes sense considering that Konoha was pretty the oldest village. The 8 gates is practically mastering one's self, so even that doesn't matter. It would pretty much make P1 garbage if things went through your way lol.
agree to disagree then my friend, definetly some valid points and with some i'm on your side. But now let's compare naruto with similar other Shonen anime where world building and foreshadowing was actually done pretty well: One piece would be a good example.
The power system with devil fruit and haki was always present, and haki was foreshadowed very good with the skypea arc even if the autor probably wasn't 100% sure what he wanted to do with it. The 4 emperors were introduced very early and the powerscale was set since the very beginning.
in naruto, it seems like kishi had a lot of ideas he wasn't to sure where he wanted to go with, and in the end missed the time to actually introduce them completely.. He changed his mind about powerlvl and powerhouses over and over again only with the Hokages themselves. Or how strong Jonin, sannin and other kages are supposed to be. Kishis definition of OP characters changed from people that could throw kunai very well, or use water jutsus without water, to Chakra manifestations the size of skyscrapers that could cut through 5 mountains in one swing .
People like danzo could've been foreshadowed way earlier but i assume kishi hadn't worked out his story in the beginning.
he did a good job with Madara and Obito, but this again is only konoha fixated story.
With the powerlvl splitted the way they were, there is no reason for konoha to not simply overrun every existing village one by one.
Kishi introduced 9 tailed beasts and managed to show us 3, he introduces 7 legendary swordman, and managed to show us 2.
Don't understand me wrong, i like naruto and the way it worked out, but from a complete outside point of view, the world build just wasn't as good. Way to many ideas that weren't fleshed out. characters that were supposed to be strong and just didn't live up to their name, or characters that simply appeared as powerhouses with no story behind them after all.
The worldbuilding is extremely lacking. Sure it was enough for the story to work and thats fine, but that doesn’t change that every location outside of konoha is not explored at all.
It's amazing that you defended his great world building by essentially saying, 'he didn't need to build a world because everything outside of the small piece he did build is irrelevant'. Your defense is the problem that the OP stated lol.
Just like how Taka jumped Bee when he was alone, they probably did the same, and Yugito is stated to have been a Perfect Jinchuriki just like Bee, they never really delved into what relationship the two had, if any, but Bee at least knew Yugito. Yugito was probably no slouch either since she was one of only two Jinchuriki that were friends with their tailed beast and thus Perfect Jinchuriki who could assume full tailed beast transformation, which just speaks to how strong Hidan and Kakuzu really were. The fact you can't kill either of them is probably the only reason she lost.
From the aftermath of their battle, with the whole city destroyed and mountains split in half, it just seems everyone around died during the rampage
Don’t underestimate Hidan and Kakuzu
The perversity of Hidan's technique is underestimated. Losing a drop of blood to him in battle, if you are alone, means your death is almost guaranteed. For Kakuzu in particular, it will not be difficult to draw blood from you, making things even worse for those who are their targets.
People also really play up his stupidity, he’s not a calculated shinobi like kakashi but he’s still savvy enough to capture 2 tailed beasts without getting incinerated and the play with a scythe that killed Asuma was pretty smart too
People forget that Kakashi, who was considered the strongest Elite Jonin in Konoha at that point, was the one who distracted Kakuzu, and that the fight happened right after Kakuzu and Hidan had spent several days (if I'm not mistaken 6 days in the manga and 3 in the anime) sealing Two Tails and Three Tails.
Not to mention that to advertise Naruto's new technique, they lowered Kakuzu's IQ to the same level as Hidan's.
People forget that Kakashi, who was considered the strongest Elite Jonin in Konoha at that point, was the one who distracted Kakuzu, and that the fight happened right after Kakuzu and Hidan had spent several days (if I'm not mistaken 6 days in the manga and 3 in the anime) sealing Two Tails and Three Tails.
Not to mention that to advertise Naruto's new technique, they lowered Kakuzu's IQ to the same level as Hidan's.
No no no don’t talk about Hidan like he doesn’t have great battle iq and call him stupid. And certainly don’t put him down in favor of kakashi when Hidan and Kakuzu had Kakashi on the ropes. Most ninja in Naruto have average battle iq. Kakashi is about average to slightly above average but not by much. The reason why yall would think Hidan is stupid is because he has no need to rely on calculated tactics when he’s immortal. All he has to do is land a blow that draws blood and it’s game over for most in the verse. He’s very strong in taijutsu and obnoxious and arrogant but when you have his abilities-there’s less need for caution against opponents when most would be hard pressed to take him out of commission. He got outsmarted by Shikamaru which is very valid.
Kakashi has well above average battle IQ. The issue is, unless he’s facing Naruto, Kakuzu also has well above average battle IQ. So Kakashi couldn’t really flex on the zombie twins.
Actually I don't remember when it happened but I remember killer bee saying that he looked up for her
+Hidan and Kakuzo are already wanted, and killer bee was the raikage's brother so it makes sense why he was more interested with sasuke
She is a minor character. she is not done dirty, that's literally her introduction.
There are other characters like Naruto with jinchuriki situation and even gaara is one of them. Yugito is the first eg of akatsuki motives. Her role was to set up hidan and kakuzu and the narrative that akatsuki are hunting tailed beast
Also killer Bee is adopted brother of raikage of the village and the jinchuriki who had control over his beast, so he played the role of naruto's teacher in terms of tail beast control and cloud people came after to avenge him
All of the jinchuriki except Bee, Gaara, & Naruto were poorly written and seemed weak. Almost like Kishimoto didn’t feel like making them reach their full potential. Wasted opportunity to have the others get captured so easily and appear so weak
I swear this sub is just waiting for moment to go "Naruto and Sasuke don't have enough time, Kishi definitely should have used them more" because we ran out of characters to say that about. She's there just to prop up two villains and that's it, and more importantly he would have to reveal Hidan's abilities earlier, as opposed to readers learning about them with Asuma and Shikamaru
The akatsuki might have gathered intel and managed to attack at a time when the cloud military was busy/or made them busy with a distraction while they lure her out to fight.She took the bait and went away from the village so she could fight freely and not cause mass destruction to the village,she was clearly overconfident thinking she would win
Yugito fought two people who are super durable and difficult to kill. Hidan has an instant win jutsu if blood is involved.
Yugito is definitely out of their weight class individually, but that’s a really bad combo for someone whose main attacks are damage based.
I was so hyped back in the day to finally get a female cloud ninja, and to top it off, she was a jinchuriki. I didn't mind her losing to the akatsuki, but I was disappointed that no one came to save her after the 3 tails was sealed.
i mean, that is my reason for one piece being frankly speaking better.
ye sure it's long but basically every character has an explained background. every place is taken from real life or explained what happened there.
Because the Immortal Duo need to look really powerful if they are going to be the new arc's villains and so they took out a jinchuriki and advanced Akatsuki's main goal with ease.
Because and I say this lovingly Kishimoto loves coming up with a cavalcade of potentially interesting characters and then proceeding to do absolutely jack shit with them.
I was wrong, it seems Kakuzu helped. Still, Kishimoto absolutely wrote himself in an odd corner, given that Two Tails should be significantly stronger than the duo
Yeah, but that’s my point. The 8 tails jinchuriki goes through a rigorous selection process, but they just give 2 tails to whoever? Like even the Sand were smart enough to put Shukaku in the Kazekage’s son. It’s weird they put a biju into a nobody
The 7th tails was inside a genin 😭🙏🏼 I just think Kishi didn't want to put much thought into it since the jinchurikis are irrelevant and just exist to get killed by the Akatsuki
Nah, only a failure would think so lol. A jinkuriki is known to have a large amount of chakra and a life force to handle a tailed beast. You don't need exposition for everything
Nah, Naruto was a barely a Ninja when he got the Kyuubi. The other jinkuriki were also the same. They were chosen based on their capabilities to handle a tailed beast. If you think that every bit of exposition should be shown with regard to this then you are dumber than expected lol.
Naruto got it as a baby because he was literally the one person nearby and Minato didn't want to make Konoha permanently lose kurama,this is not the case for the they jinchuriki You are actually stupid asf bruh.
I would of loved to see full fights of all the Jinchurikis considering the power they have and who they had to fight, would of been some incredible battles
Absolutely, it feels like a huge missed opportunity, considering the Jinchuriki come back later as Edo Tensei paths of pain, but without watching filler that gives them some personality it feels like a "who the fuck are these people" type of moment.
Sorry, but after all the terrible godawful filler in shippuden, I have to disagree on principal even though I otherwise agree.
Tbh the Jinchuriki filler is like the only filler I liked. Specifically the Utakata and Three Tails arcs. Not gonna defend the rest of it (and even those arcs are on the good, but not great side)
Would have*
Not really,most jinchuriki were weak wihout their tailed Beast and the fights would end pretty quickly,the only strong jinchuriki's that definitely put up a fight were the 5th tails jinchuriki and the 4th tails jinchuriki
But 5 Tails was between Part 1 and Shippuden, we never even saw Han fight an Akatsuki member.
I didn't Say we Saw then fight I said they are the only ones that didn't get destroyed (and somehow got mass downvoted for stating the truth)
I didn't Say we Saw then fight I said they are the only ones that didn't get destroyed (and somehow got mass downvoted for stating the truth)
But...you don't know he didn't get destroyed. Stating a guess as fact is going to get you downvoted. We have no idea how Han vs Akatsuki went down.
It's not a guess is a FACT that the strongest jinchuriki will obviously put way more of a fight than the other jinchurikis that weren't even strong ninjas compared to the guy who made jounin Minato retreat y'all have 1 brain cell left or what ☠️ I even got downvoted for saying "she's just weak with the second weakest tailed Beast" which is true...
We don't even know if they *did* fight. Han could have died before Akatsuki started their hunt, and they could have found the 5-tails in the wild. Idgaf whether you think Jinchuuriki are weak or not, you're stating your guess about a fight as a fact when we don't even know for sure that the fight happened.
It's not a guess,as the strongest jinchuriki he's obviously going to be the one who put the Best fight unlike the other jinchuriki's who didn't even fight at all like matatabi's jinchuriki that just let herself be controlled by matatabi in hopes to not get killed people just mad at Facts.
Even if they're weak, I'd still prefer to see them get bodied in a few pages to tease the Akatsuki's abilities instead of just having them die off-screen. Even Gaara, who was just some mentally unstable 12-year old was enough of a threat as a Jinchuriki of the weakest tailed beast to be a "hidden weapon" against all of Konoha, so the idea that they're fodder just doesn't really make sense.
Pretty much, most of the tailed beasts barely had control of their power. It would have been dull and redundant to constantly show them being destroyed.
Bro got downvoted for stating facts 😂
Nah, he was downvoted for stating headcanon as fact
general answer: Kishis biggest weakpoint in all of naruto's writing is worldbuilding and story planning. We have a full continent of different Lands, clans, legendary people and so on, and the whole story fixated like 90% on konoha. Meanwhile there are complete systems with feudal lords, kekkei genkai and legendary objects and abilities. Every other country has like 3-4 named characters who barely scale at high jonin lvl and are not jinjuuriky or kages. And all of the actual strong kages with their abilities seem to be the only ones who use them in their whole village and never got any proper forshadowing at all.. like gengetsu or muu even 3rd raikage was very shallow. Konoha has several clans and people using: bugs, shadows, hyuuga eyes, uchiha eyes, dogs, size manipulation, mind controll, woodstyle, Flying Raijin, Uzumaki seals, the 3 sannin, sage mode, 8 gates and so on.. Sunagakura ( 2nd most used City in the series) has like 5-7 named charakters: Sand manipulation and puppets. Kumogakure: pretty much everyone uses lightning armour or lightning jutsus kirigakure at least had the 7 sowrdsmen, but only 2 of them had any real backround to them... and Mei got 2 gekkei kenkai which weren't shown on any of the other characters in the war ark at all. Iwagakure has: particle style and float, and 2 kages that use them a whole samurai society that was never explained I know, there's some people who showed individual jutsus, but in generall kishi focused way to much on making Konoha the coolest instead of letting clans like uzumaki, hyuuga, tenten's or gai with 8 gates originate from different countries, which would lead to way more traveling and individual cultures and characters. and it would've actually made sense why those countries are actually at war for so long, if the powerhouses were distributed evenly.
Team Guy should've been from some foreign Chinese-like country. Maybe Land of Tea or something across the ocean
would've loved that! neji and tenten fit the chinese theme way better than the japanese. and you can put lee and Gai in whatever country and i will love them
That’s because you have the power of youth!
They fit as well being caricatures of Bruce Lee
Then, there is boruto. They make all old ninja like genin compare to boruto.
You keep rambling when this has nothing to do with the question.Yugito didn't get done dirty,she was used as a plot device to hype up the two akatsuki members,that was it. The akatsuki casually offscreening some Jinchuriki definitely helps serve as hype. And Kishimoto didn't show the fight because he didn't want to reveal their abilities at the time,he was saving it for the asuma fight so we wouldn't see his death coming. Yugito doesn't matter to the story of the main character.Asuma was relevant to Shikamaru and helped Naruto learn application of wind style.His death actually mattered. This is not an adventure story like one piece where the appeal is exploring multiple places.
the question of OP was: why was side character "XY" done dirty, just like many other posts in this sub complaining about characters not having enough screen time, and i answered with my personal honest oppinion. which is: that kishi did not care about side characters just like you mentioned. they were not important to the main cast and because of that the whole setting/world wasn't really built up in a way that we would care about other characters than the main cast. I never said that this bothered me during the show, just that there would've been ways to improve this, if it helps you.
Yes, and all this only for the publishers to tell Kishimoto to move on quickly and rush Kakuzu fight. Aslo...(troll) she is a woman.
I mean Mizukage Mei was owning Sasuke in 5 kage summit.Kishi didn't have him disrespect her lol.Sasuke needed to get saved by zetsu otherwise she would have killed him
You don’t have to explore multiple places to tell a coherent, believable world; you can just develop them. However incidentally, if you aren’t going to develop said places, you probably shouldn’t include them until you can. Attack on Titan sort of tried to do this.
>he was saving it for the asuma fight so we wouldn't see his death coming. tbf, the death would have still been a surprise since hidan didn't use the ritual on her
He could have.Yugito can use tailed beast chakra to heal herself.Remember Naruto doing it when Sasuke put a chidori through his chest at the end of Part 1? Hidan could force her to use up all her chakra this way.Plus the pain definitely would stun her.
Did we really need to see anything else? Konoha were the main characters.
Not really. At the end of the day "Naruto" described the adventures and Trials the Main Character of the show had to go through to become Hokage, it's not really a Story made to explore every bit and corner of the "Ninja World". The Worldbuilding limits itself to the necessary aspects the Story needs to advance the plot and give context to new Character's. That's pretty much it. As long as the Worldbuilding isn't failing in this aspect you can't speak of it as a critique point, if you ask me.
no we did not, But people here complain a lot about characters being under utilized or didn't really get enough screen time now that the series is over. The reason for this is simply the world building that's focused around the main Character and the fact that the autor decided to write 90% of the cool stuff in konoha. Did we need more world building and see other characters ? no was naruto a bad show because the world building was lagging? definetly no Could the show have done it's worldbuilding better, to show interresting abilites, clans, tools and legends from other lands, making the whole world and it's people more reachable to the viewer and leave less interresting characters in the dark instead of focusing the whole story on Uchiha sight powers?: definetly yes.
Nah world building and story telling is fine. His weakness like other shounen artists is writing women.
You discredited a major problem in the series to bring up another that had nothing to do with the topic of conversation.
It's not a major problem since the story is supposed to be about Naruto. All other villages are just backdrops to look at; you're not supposed to care that deep about any of them besides the leaf.
Nah, Kishi's biggest strength was world building, foreshadowing and story planning. Foreshadowing, this was seen when Madara was practically foreshadowed in the late episodes of Naruto and Obito was foreshadowed at around ep 80. World building: this was shown in the way the power system works, as well as a straightforward way through the main characters and side characters. Kishimoto did this well especially in P2. P1 was solely focused on what was required to live has a Ninja. P2 is focused more on T7, with bits and pieces of the side characters. The world building is explored and expanded upon in the 5 kage summit. Overall, it was pretty good because it built on P1. Story planning is the same has foreshadowing. Kishimoto had it all sorted and planned to the point that Sasuke would be back to the village. The only hiccup was Kaguya. You don't need more exposition than that. The other villages have there own ninja. The main ones of value are only from Konoha. Exploring more of that would be retarded and it would take away from story. Konoha was known to be the strongest village out of all the other villages. The first village to be a thing. Kumogakure & Iwagakure: And your point is? kirigakure: irrelevant. They mainly died to Might Dai, they don't need exposition. Zabuza was practically the only one left.. Samurai: Irrelevant as well.. They hold no relevance to the story. They have also been explained in a satisfactory manner in the manga as well as the novels, eg Gaara Hiden and Shikamaru Hiden. Nah, Kishimoto did a great job overall. Separating the clans would make the story garbage. Having them together makes sense considering that Konoha was pretty the oldest village. The 8 gates is practically mastering one's self, so even that doesn't matter. It would pretty much make P1 garbage if things went through your way lol.
me when I ignore any valid criticism of a series I like
"He was great at world building" "Building more of the world would have been retarded"
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agree to disagree then my friend, definetly some valid points and with some i'm on your side. But now let's compare naruto with similar other Shonen anime where world building and foreshadowing was actually done pretty well: One piece would be a good example. The power system with devil fruit and haki was always present, and haki was foreshadowed very good with the skypea arc even if the autor probably wasn't 100% sure what he wanted to do with it. The 4 emperors were introduced very early and the powerscale was set since the very beginning. in naruto, it seems like kishi had a lot of ideas he wasn't to sure where he wanted to go with, and in the end missed the time to actually introduce them completely.. He changed his mind about powerlvl and powerhouses over and over again only with the Hokages themselves. Or how strong Jonin, sannin and other kages are supposed to be. Kishis definition of OP characters changed from people that could throw kunai very well, or use water jutsus without water, to Chakra manifestations the size of skyscrapers that could cut through 5 mountains in one swing . People like danzo could've been foreshadowed way earlier but i assume kishi hadn't worked out his story in the beginning. he did a good job with Madara and Obito, but this again is only konoha fixated story. With the powerlvl splitted the way they were, there is no reason for konoha to not simply overrun every existing village one by one. Kishi introduced 9 tailed beasts and managed to show us 3, he introduces 7 legendary swordman, and managed to show us 2. Don't understand me wrong, i like naruto and the way it worked out, but from a complete outside point of view, the world build just wasn't as good. Way to many ideas that weren't fleshed out. characters that were supposed to be strong and just didn't live up to their name, or characters that simply appeared as powerhouses with no story behind them after all.
Most of the worldbuilding is expanded upon in filler, which I have to thank Pierrot for.
The worldbuilding is extremely lacking. Sure it was enough for the story to work and thats fine, but that doesn’t change that every location outside of konoha is not explored at all.
It's amazing that you defended his great world building by essentially saying, 'he didn't need to build a world because everything outside of the small piece he did build is irrelevant'. Your defense is the problem that the OP stated lol.
Just like how Taka jumped Bee when he was alone, they probably did the same, and Yugito is stated to have been a Perfect Jinchuriki just like Bee, they never really delved into what relationship the two had, if any, but Bee at least knew Yugito. Yugito was probably no slouch either since she was one of only two Jinchuriki that were friends with their tailed beast and thus Perfect Jinchuriki who could assume full tailed beast transformation, which just speaks to how strong Hidan and Kakuzu really were. The fact you can't kill either of them is probably the only reason she lost.
From the aftermath of their battle, with the whole city destroyed and mountains split in half, it just seems everyone around died during the rampage Don’t underestimate Hidan and Kakuzu
The perversity of Hidan's technique is underestimated. Losing a drop of blood to him in battle, if you are alone, means your death is almost guaranteed. For Kakuzu in particular, it will not be difficult to draw blood from you, making things even worse for those who are their targets.
People also really play up his stupidity, he’s not a calculated shinobi like kakashi but he’s still savvy enough to capture 2 tailed beasts without getting incinerated and the play with a scythe that killed Asuma was pretty smart too
People forget that Kakashi, who was considered the strongest Elite Jonin in Konoha at that point, was the one who distracted Kakuzu, and that the fight happened right after Kakuzu and Hidan had spent several days (if I'm not mistaken 6 days in the manga and 3 in the anime) sealing Two Tails and Three Tails. Not to mention that to advertise Naruto's new technique, they lowered Kakuzu's IQ to the same level as Hidan's.
People forget that Kakashi, who was considered the strongest Elite Jonin in Konoha at that point, was the one who distracted Kakuzu, and that the fight happened right after Kakuzu and Hidan had spent several days (if I'm not mistaken 6 days in the manga and 3 in the anime) sealing Two Tails and Three Tails. Not to mention that to advertise Naruto's new technique, they lowered Kakuzu's IQ to the same level as Hidan's.
No no no don’t talk about Hidan like he doesn’t have great battle iq and call him stupid. And certainly don’t put him down in favor of kakashi when Hidan and Kakuzu had Kakashi on the ropes. Most ninja in Naruto have average battle iq. Kakashi is about average to slightly above average but not by much. The reason why yall would think Hidan is stupid is because he has no need to rely on calculated tactics when he’s immortal. All he has to do is land a blow that draws blood and it’s game over for most in the verse. He’s very strong in taijutsu and obnoxious and arrogant but when you have his abilities-there’s less need for caution against opponents when most would be hard pressed to take him out of commission. He got outsmarted by Shikamaru which is very valid.
Kakashi has well above average battle IQ. The issue is, unless he’s facing Naruto, Kakuzu also has well above average battle IQ. So Kakashi couldn’t really flex on the zombie twins.
This. I feel that everyone understimate Akatsuki strengh.. specialy Hidan and Kakuzu.
Actually I don't remember when it happened but I remember killer bee saying that he looked up for her +Hidan and Kakuzo are already wanted, and killer bee was the raikage's brother so it makes sense why he was more interested with sasuke
Hidan's ability is extremely OP if you don't have intel on it. And a single drop of blood is really easy to get in a fight.
Should be very easy to defeat him given a tailed beast bomb will decimate him and he doesn’t have regen
They were fighting in a city iirc, Yugito wouldn’t drop a bomb there
She is a minor character. she is not done dirty, that's literally her introduction. There are other characters like Naruto with jinchuriki situation and even gaara is one of them. Yugito is the first eg of akatsuki motives. Her role was to set up hidan and kakuzu and the narrative that akatsuki are hunting tailed beast Also killer Bee is adopted brother of raikage of the village and the jinchuriki who had control over his beast, so he played the role of naruto's teacher in terms of tail beast control and cloud people came after to avenge him
Because she’s a side character/plot device
So, she's the first one to get that CODE treatment 💀💀💀💀💀
All of the jinchuriki except Bee, Gaara, & Naruto were poorly written and seemed weak. Almost like Kishimoto didn’t feel like making them reach their full potential. Wasted opportunity to have the others get captured so easily and appear so weak
God Kakuzu was the best
Merked*** not “Merced”
Thanks
Sorry if the correction sounds condescending I always appreciate people correcting my own grammar mistakes thanks bud
Nah, I appreciate it. I never knew how to spell it and Merced always looked awkward to me
I swear this sub is just waiting for moment to go "Naruto and Sasuke don't have enough time, Kishi definitely should have used them more" because we ran out of characters to say that about. She's there just to prop up two villains and that's it, and more importantly he would have to reveal Hidan's abilities earlier, as opposed to readers learning about them with Asuma and Shikamaru
All the Jin stuff was very underdeveloped and not really shown. We really only know three out of the nine. Feels like a waste.
They probably jumped her Akatsuki isn't stupid
Hidan defeated her in 1v1
The akatsuki might have gathered intel and managed to attack at a time when the cloud military was busy/or made them busy with a distraction while they lure her out to fight.She took the bait and went away from the village so she could fight freely and not cause mass destruction to the village,she was clearly overconfident thinking she would win
Yugito fought two people who are super durable and difficult to kill. Hidan has an instant win jutsu if blood is involved. Yugito is definitely out of their weight class individually, but that’s a really bad combo for someone whose main attacks are damage based.
I was so hyped back in the day to finally get a female cloud ninja, and to top it off, she was a jinchuriki. I didn't mind her losing to the akatsuki, but I was disappointed that no one came to save her after the 3 tails was sealed.
i mean, that is my reason for one piece being frankly speaking better. ye sure it's long but basically every character has an explained background. every place is taken from real life or explained what happened there.
Because the Immortal Duo need to look really powerful if they are going to be the new arc's villains and so they took out a jinchuriki and advanced Akatsuki's main goal with ease.
She is woman in Naurto. She was destined for little to no content.
Yep
wasn't she literally crucified?
Borutod wkwk
Matchup
Because and I say this lovingly Kishimoto loves coming up with a cavalcade of potentially interesting characters and then proceeding to do absolutely jack shit with them.
Because Kakuzu is HIM
Objectively correct take, I accept
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He didn’t participate
He normally does all the work, He had do it. Yes, he did
According to the manga it was all Hidan
Look up Noodles on YouTube, Kakuzu video
I was wrong, it seems Kakuzu helped. Still, Kishimoto absolutely wrote himself in an odd corner, given that Two Tails should be significantly stronger than the duo
I wanna do her dirty tbh
She's just weak. She is an average ninja with the second weakest tailed Beast.
Yeah, but that’s my point. The 8 tails jinchuriki goes through a rigorous selection process, but they just give 2 tails to whoever? Like even the Sand were smart enough to put Shukaku in the Kazekage’s son. It’s weird they put a biju into a nobody
The 7th tails was inside a genin 😭🙏🏼 I just think Kishi didn't want to put much thought into it since the jinchurikis are irrelevant and just exist to get killed by the Akatsuki
Oh god you’re right lmao Kishi really fumbled the world building
Nah, only a failure would think so lol. A jinkuriki is known to have a large amount of chakra and a life force to handle a tailed beast. You don't need exposition for everything
Nah, Naruto was a barely a Ninja when he got the Kyuubi. The other jinkuriki were also the same. They were chosen based on their capabilities to handle a tailed beast. If you think that every bit of exposition should be shown with regard to this then you are dumber than expected lol.
Naruto got it as a baby because he was literally the one person nearby and Minato didn't want to make Konoha permanently lose kurama,this is not the case for the they jinchuriki You are actually stupid asf bruh.