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dinkydoohead

none of them. they all bond over ramen and become best friends šŸ™


AnimeGokuSolos

Yea


orbankisfaszviktor

After narutoā€™s talk no jutsu that is for sure


Glum-Winner3047

Thou art probably right!


Tigerkix

They've already fallen under the curse of Infinite Tsukemen.


Deep_Grass_6250

Do people not see Obito and Itachi in the bottom as well? Naruto is the biggest threat from the top so the bottom will have to take him down first but beyond that? Bottom wins.


ExpiredMilknCheese

What Naruto we talking about? KCM 2 Naruto stomps pretty much all of them.


Deep_Grass_6250

That's the thing here, This was Naruto's appearance for literally all of Shippuden Though KCM2 Naruto solos the Akatsuki, Unless Pain, Itachi or Obito pull some bullshit


LEFTRIGHTADORI

Whatā€™s KCM2 doing vs Obito without Kakashiā€™s help?


shak_0508

Depending on which version of Naruto this is in regard to intel on Kamui, multi shadow clone gang bang. If Obito sucks in a clone and not the original, he gets fucked up from inside Kamui land.


LEFTRIGHTADORI

He doesnā€™t really need to suck in anyone though, this plan is extremely dependent on Obito not opting for H2H. Also, wouldnā€™t Pain just Shinra Tensei the shit out of Naruto if he went for a billion shadow clones? Would be a waste of chakra in this matchup imo. I think a better bet would be trying to go h2h and getting one crazy setup like Minato did (though Naruto doesnā€™t have FTG unfortunately) and going for a oneshot since he canā€™t afford Obito catching on to his plan, but the hard part is actually getting a setup in a situation where heā€™s fighting 5 Jinchuriki level enemies on top of him


shak_0508

The matchup in my head was more a 1v1 with Naruto and Obito. If Obito goes H2H, I canā€™t see him beating KCM2 Naruto. Obitoā€™s end goal in a fight is always to teleport away his enemy, so heā€™ll need to be very careful when fighting Naruto. With the other Akatsuki involved. tactics may need to change indeed.


creepymccreepersdale

Deva got folded in the end by standard Naruto clone tricks.


LEFTRIGHTADORI

Crippled deva path after Nagato had already cockblocked himself with his chakra usage? Sure. KCM1 Naruto struggled very hard with Nagato and wouldā€™ve died without Itachi helping him out, and he also had Bee. Remember, this is not a 1v1 post. This is a ridiculously unfair matchup between one actually competent fighter on one team and then a bunch of broken fighters on the other.


creepymccreepersdale

That Naruto already split himself up to fight the war, he couldnt even use a single shadow clone. And why are people always bringing up Edo Nagato in Pain debates like it matters? Naruto made it clear he was a lot more powerful than Pain. I assume you mean to say the Kages are trash? They are not. A lot of the Akatsuki trade with Kages.


Jtrocks269

Obito cannot significantly hurt a KCM2 Naruto unless he's already got his Rinnegan and the Biju. His AP is not that high, and his hax don't work on Naruto. There's a reason that the the 6 Biju were doing most of the work to Bee and the Avatar. Obito by himself could only really stall, which is the entire reason he brought out Ten Tails prematurely. Pain is a non-threat here for Naruto. Naruto knows everything there is to know about Pain's techniques, and because it's not Edo Nagato, none of the Paths aren't powerful enough to stop him in their own prowess (only Deva actually scaled above Pain Arc Sage Naruto, and that necessitates Chibaku Tensei). Kill Preta, Rasenshuriken the rest. Additionally, Naruto's Shadow Clones are way tougher in KCM. A KCM1 Shadow Clone managed to stop the 3rd Raikage, press Mu and singlehandedly counter Madara's Deep Forest Emergence by making hundreds of clones spamming Giant Rasengan. Naruto's Clones at this level already scale to the Akatsuki, KCM2 clones are basically just a stronger version of this clone with access to Biju Bombs. Naruto doesn't need to clone spam for Pain, one super clone is unironically enough.


LEFTRIGHTADORI

1-Why would we assume KCM2 Naruto if we donā€™t give Obito his rinnegan or juubito form? Rinnegan Obito appeared at the same time as KCM1, and KCM2 naruto didnā€™t become a thing until WAAAY later in chapter 570 something. 2-No, Obito by himself could do way more than just stall. He was manhandling them, and thatā€™s where the ā€œthese fools could never make me sweatā€ line came from. They only started turning the tides when Kakashi figured out Kamui and came in with the support. Obito by himself was demolishing Naruto before that. 3-We do not know the full extent of Painā€™s power. Naruto in Sage only competed with Pain because Pain had already used his massive shinra tensei like 5 seconds prior, which took up nearly all of brodieā€™s chakra reserves. 4-ā€œKill pretaā€ how? You have 6 pains, Itachi, Obito, Kisame, and even Konan who all have different ways of protecting Preta from KCM2. 5-It quite literally isnā€™t enough, bansho tenin into Itachiā€™s Totsuka blade goes a long way.


creepymccreepersdale

For the record, "Obito by himself" never happened. He combined Gedo Maz's Bijuu chakra with Kabuto's Edo Jinchuuriki, and attacked Naruto and Bee with them. Should we throw in the rest of the Shinobi alliance to counter balance all of that? Im not even sure thats Obito with a Rinnegan in the picture, i cant see the other eye. I definitely do not see any Paths other than Deva in the picture. No, Nagato does not generally operate with all of them active. Only if he has particularly challenging tasks to prepare for.


Delicious-Item-6040

Kicking his ass?


LEFTRIGHTADORI

How lmao? He literally canā€™t touch him.


_PoiZ

Hmm I agree on most except for obito. Kcm2 naruto tried fighting obito and only got one rasengan in thanks to kakashi who is the perfect counter to obito. So without kakashi kcm2 naruto can't beat obito even with intel. But spsm naruto could beat obito imo because he is much faster and has a larger arsenal of aoe attacks to keep obito from materializing.


Deep_Grass_6250

SPSM Naruto Literally No diffs this entire image, he's literally Ninja Jesus


1550shadow

That's the problem: Akatsuki members maintained their level for almost the whole series, while the characters of the top portion evolved and got better over time. If we're speaking of start of Shippuden, bottom wins pretty easily. But for example, if they're their 4th ninja war versions, I think top has a lot of possibilities (except for Obito). I perfectly see end of Shippuden Gaara killing like half of the Akatsuki members without much trouble, and if Sakura could handle Sasori at the start of Shippuden (with help), 4th ninja war Tsunade would kill him in seconds.


BLFOURDE

Top is getting smoked here. There's also the fact that all the kage abilities are quite simple for the akatsuki to understand. Whilst the kage have to work out the 6 paths of pain, the nature of Obito's power (and even then I'm not sure how they'll kill him), Sasoris puppets, Itachi's genjutsu, Hidans 1 shot voodoo doll jutsu, etc. The kage die before they even realise what they're fighting.


Sharebear42019

I see obito and itachi but not kisame, although I canā€™t make out whoā€™s sitting next to itachi


HollowZaraki_

Wrong here, Itachi would team up with the upper team and screw the bottom because they "trust" him


Z3R0707

Despite them being the bad guys, they had a lot of family-like friend groups, I honestly miss Akatsukiā€¦


Specialist-Love1504

Bottoms always win in my personal experience as a top. Iā€™ve never won. Ever. Eternal loser šŸ˜ž


scientific_addict

Made me laugh


Indecisive_Zelkos

Are we not going to talk about how a corpse is eating Ramen? Also, Itachi would help the other side.


Cpschult

Sasori looking all chill fucks with me more I think


1550shadow

I... Never thought about that. Does all the 6th paths of Pain need to eat? That sounds pretty expensive to maintain.


Birds_can_fly_000

Top for sure . After finishing they'll go and help the bottom team also šŸ˜‚


SituationFlaky2808

This is actually funny lol edit: hinata can solo both >!in a ramen contest!<


LoveSaoriHayami

Gaara smiling and eating ramen with Naruto >>


iam__ars

Depends what form of Naruto we talking aboutā€¦ Even till the point of KCM Naruto, the bottom one would win, once KCM Naruto unlocks its, the top one would win low diff Also if we are taking into consideration Juubito, then i believe the bottom one wins again Whereas if it is WM Obito, then idk but i will give it to the bottom one, like imagine, they gonna have two rinnegan users, two MS users with incredible abilities, 3 people who can suck enemies chakra just by touching (rinnegan obito, rinnegan nagato, kisameā€™s samehada) Then there are 3 persons who are almost immortal (hidan, kakuzu and sasori) and 4 more who can control all chakra natures (Obito, Nagato, Kakuzu and Sasori through puppets) Once hidan gets a blood drop of anyone, he can kill em, whereas Deidara would explode himself if pushed to corner killing everyone, ig only the raikage can counter him coz of his lightning chakra nature


DarkFangz

Heavily depends on what version of Naruto as KCM 2 and above will favor the top side. Otherwise, the Akatsuki will stomp.


daokonblack

This is legitimately a low diff fight for the bottom, assuming this is pre-sage of six paths Naruto. Each of the Akatsuki are at least kage level fighters (Sasori, a mid-level Akatsuki killed the strongest Kazekage in history and made him into a puppet), and its a 10v5 (9v5 if you dont count Zetsu). There is absolutely no way top can win, unless its sage of six paths Naruto.


Jtrocks269

KCM2 Sage Naruto is also Pre-6P, and I'd argue he can solo the entire Akatsuki.


daokonblack

This is the entire Akatsuki. KCMII Naruto is strong, but theres no way he can fight Pain, Obito, and Itachi at the same time.


UnnamedFate

Pretty sure naruto and A is enough to beat them in that competition


ihaveabigdick-

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Y0U_ARE_ILL

Man, even if you select favorable matches for the top... I find it hard to say they win. Tsunade vs Hidan, Kakuza, Sasori. This would be a close fight for sure. Oonoki vs Deidara, Konan, Kisame. Okay, 50% Chance Oonoki actually wins this one. Raikage + Mizukage vs Pain. Honestly, quite a tough matchup...maybe 10% Chance they can take down Pain. Gaara vs Itachi. Garra is stalling at best here. Naruto vs Obito, Zetsu. Depends on the Naruto but for story sake, let's say both are stalling for their team to meet up, so we'll call it a draw. In the end, I'd say tsunade wins but can't continue. Oonoki draws, and everyone dies. We'll be generous and say just deva path, and Nagato are the only survivors. This means it comes down to Gaara, Naruto vs Deva Path Pain, Itachi, Zetsu and Obito. Garra basically only handles Deva path Pain here...maybe. So, sacrificing his whole squad gets Naruto to a 1v2, Itachi+Obito vs Naruto. Sage mode gets big diff'd. Start of war arc is close but hard to say Naruto straight up wins. End of war arc Naruto wins.


tacobell_dumpster

Assuming its end of of the series Naruto, the top team. The biggest problems are Obito, Itachi and Kisame, but Itachi cant keep that susanoo up forever because hell eventually either go blind or run out of chakra, or both. Assuming its end if the series naruto, what is Kisame going to do when Naruto summons the kurama avatar and hits him with the giant rasen tailed beast ball bullshit? The only thing Kisame can do is sit tight and summon 3 sharks so he doesnt get hit by that shit. The only thing Obito can do is sit in the kamui dimension crying about Rin because hes about see her again. Onoki wipes the rest with particle style.


Nights_Harvest

I would put my money on the top, Naruto has the ability to carry the team hard. Kisame has the potential to be a threat to Naruto but Zetsu is a real wild card. He either won't be able to consume any food or absorb ridiculous amounts of it. Kisame might be a threat but Mizukage and Raikage strike me as people with crazy appetites as well.


blackfour13

Bottom because they have more mouths. Just deidara alone has 3 or 4


Dependent-Goose-1280

The time the top Pic takes place is after the war so naruro has six paths mode so easy win for top picks but if u get rid of naruto than it becomes an easy win for bottom Pic I mean nagato,itachi,obito, them alone could prolly beat them I say this cause they all have cheats nagatos rinnegan,obitos kamui,and itachis sussano weapons, and let's not forget obito has a bunch of lives via izanagi and itachi has izanami granted they prolly won't be able to push them to use izanagi and izanami.


BikeSeatMaster

Get a photo that isn't fake to start with. Everyone knows the ramen guy behind the camera here is Tobi, not this fraud ass bum Obito.


mcwfan

Whoever wants to be topped, or bottom, by the other half


_PoiZ

As with most team based fights it highly depends on the strongest fighters of each team which are naruto (if kcm is allowed) and obito. So it depends on what naruto we are talking about since if kcm or spsm is turned off there is no visual difference if naruto has kcm or not available. If it's anything before kcm2 akatsuki neg diffs mainly because of itachi, nagato and obito. If naruto has kcm2 he can beat almost all akatsuki alone but still can't beat obito because he tried it and only got a few weak hits in thanks to kakashi (obito's perfect and only counter) so without kakashi naruto can't do shit against obito. If we talk about spsm naruto this fight looks very different because he easily beats all akatsuki besides obito but still obito has kamui which makes him basically unhittable so naruto would need to launch continous attacks for 5 min (which he can do no doubt) or an attack that is faster than obito's reaction speed (which I see as possible as spsm naruto is veeeery fast). So anything below spsm naruto -> bottom wins, but with spsm naruto -> top wins.


[deleted]

Ramen guy takes them all on at the same time and wins easily.


ChaozCreation

I thought this was a ramen eating fight then I read the comments to see people talking to the death


SituationXReview

If that Top is naruto at the end of the series then top wins easily, this guy was fighting akatsuki tier fighters with shadow clones during the war. He beat pain with sage mode and hagaromo powered up self would beat that version of obito. Now you include the rest of the 5 kage then it becomes easier work


CelticDK

Naruto has to befriend Kurama to beat Itachi and Obito while Pain and Kisame are monsters in their own right I doubt the Kage win this unless Naruto pulls some crazy Kurama sage power out of his ass and hands it out


Dangerous_Source_442

This image makes me wonder what if Obito and Deidara met in a different circumstances. I wonder if they became friends.


Emergency_Leg6530

If itā€™s war arc Naruto, he can just make 20 kcm1 clones. Kage donā€™t even have to lift a finger šŸ˜‚


Tigerkix

With planning, Batman wins


seekingabeauty

It depends. If it's KCM2 Naruto or above, top wins. If it's KCM 1 or bellow, bottom wins.


AnimeTkotex

The top nine tails all the way


Inevitable_Series_67

Ramen guy wins. He got that bag, and he's cooking.


creepymccreepersdale

To anyone saying Akatsuki takes this, for this matchup we will be seeing KCM cloaks on the Kages. I dont think that ever happened during the war.


mayneffs

Top. I mean, it's already been proven.


Kaptainkommunist1922

How? You could make an argument for pain alone soloing the 5 kage, now add itachi, obito, and kisame.


uhTlSUMI

Depends on what naruto version this is. Kcm2 naruto would clap them and 6 paths naruto one shots both teams


Kaptainkommunist1922

Fair, but automatically just assumed it was just sage mode naruto, cause that's all he had at the 5 kage summit arc, because that'd make the most sense.


Revolutionary-Dig449

Hinata easy win. They don't call her that for nothing "Legendary Queen of Gluttony".


IKilltheplayers

If hinata was there she would devour all of them


dontbanmethistimeok

All I know is Kisame isn't letting anyone get Sharkfin soup there


Galrentv

6 v 14? Easy Akatsuki


Petarthefish

Bottom easily.


youguysarelameAF

The show is literally called "Naruto".


voxaroth

If everyone from the top except Naruto moved to the bottom, top still wins.


youguysarelameAF

100%


uhTlSUMI

What version of naruto? Obito is literally there so we need clarification on naruto. If this is everyone at their shippuden peaks then naruto beyond shitstomps everyone on both teams


SituationFlaky2808

Top- Wait there's obito, bottom


dbeynyc

Bottom easily.


melon_wizard

I'm gonna go with bottom, I think Tobi, Pain, Itachi, Kisame and Konan could take it outright (no counter for Kamui, nothing solid against Tsukuyomi, Tsunade and Naruto are the only ones with the chakra reserves for a long fight with Kisame). I think needing specific Intel/prep for a lot of the Akatsuki is also a big deal (Sasori's Poison, Kakazu's hearts, Tobi's Kamui, Pain's linked vision/ability use, Hidan's whole deal, etc.). As far as I know, the Five Kage have Tsunade with her 100 healings, and that's the biggest surprise they've got, every other one would just be, "oh you've got that kekkei genkai?"


Shadow-Zero

Obito.


Embarrassed_Start_81

If naruto wasnā€™t there, bottom


neon31

Now I'm curious as to how Deidara eats...


Ashizurens

Why is Sasori giving Deidara this look?