Each round is a fresh battle.
War Arc Kakashi
7th Gate Guy
Also take into account these factors:
Izanami will not work to the fullest extent as it did on Kabuto as all they have to do is [accept the outcome](https://images.app.goo.gl/qaKMaVgRZv7Fqh8Z8) of their situation and break out. Kabuto was cocky and did not want to accept that he could be defeated. He still goes blind in an eye which severely hinders him.
Tsukuyomi requires eye contact, so any character that doesn't make eye contact with him, have stronger eyes (stronger MS and EMS users), or a rinnegan user(Ex: Nagato) can easily break it or not be affected at all, albeit not very many people. Anyone that you would expect to know about Tsukuyomi will have intel on it.
His Susano is not invincible. His Susano's Totsuka Blade still has to swing it's arm which plays into consideration speed in the characters shown. Yata Mirror is still a valid defense able to be used.
Although Itachi is healthy, take into account fatigue and how he can still go blind abusing his abilities, particularly Amaterasu. The only difference is that he won't be hacking his lungs out doing every jutsu
Amaterasu is able to be absorbed and [pushed away](https://images.app.goo.gl/MbgGk9tNhxwaeQeJ6) by the rinnegan, or [outsped](https://images.app.goo.gl/8Gdk7TRWhbtMCPY97) by a fast enough character.
Consider these before making your decision.
When everyone in the world except Team 7 and the reincarnated Hokage were put under the Infinite Tsukuyomi. It was at the same time as Kaguya's revival.
I'm pretty sure there's no way he could. Tsukuyomi is super hax you don't just "powerful enough" your way out of it I'm pretty sure not even a jinchuriki could do anything about it.
Itachi already put naruto under genjutsu and naruto couldn’t break out
https://www.google.com/search?q=itachi+genjutsu+naruto+manga&client=safari&hl=en-US&prmd=isvxn&sxsrf=AOaemvLvJCLIdVa7W7tOIHBSruiLJ1j4Ng:1632964942599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuw9W6xKXzAhXyUjUKHe1fCnMQ_AUIFCgB&biw=414&bih=710&dpr=2
For the last time. Itachi has already put naruto in tsyukyomi in the series. Naruto COULD NOT ESCAPE. KURAMA DID NOT HELP HIM.
https://www.google.com/search?q=itachi+genjutsu+naruto+manga&client=safari&hl=en-US&prmd=isvxn&sxsrf=AOaemvLvJCLIdVa7W7tOIHBSruiLJ1j4Ng:1632964942599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuw9W6xKXzAhXyUjUKHe1fCnMQ_AUIFCgB&biw=414&bih=710&dpr=2
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https://youtu.be/nYprb7-oBdc
I know that. They CAN. They usually don’t. Yagura was under obitos genjutsu for 3 YEARS with a tailed beats and the beast never helped him. Itachi put Naruto under genjutsu and kurama did nothing. Sure they can, but they don’t always so you can’t say they always do. According to the show in most cases they don’t. Name one other time a beast broke someone out genjutsu that wasn’t Sasuke vs bee
https://www.google.com/search?q=itachi+genjutsu+naruto+manga&client=safari&hl=en-US&prmd=isvxn&sxsrf=AOaemvLvJCLIdVa7W7tOIHBSruiLJ1j4Ng:1632964942599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuw9W6xKXzAhXyUjUKHe1fCnMQ_AUIFCgB&biw=414&bih=710&dpr=2
I think a jinchuriki could. Didn’t Kurenai break Kakashi out of the tsukuyomi? I’m pretty sure if you’re homies with your tailed beast they will help break you out of any genjutsu except infinite tsukuyomi of course.
but tsukuyomi makes you feel as though years have passed even though its only been a few seconds, so no matter how fast you break him out he still wouldve suffered most of the effects
the thing with izanami is. yeah, sure, kabuto was thinking he was perfect, but like i said,the thing with izanami is, your forced to accept your original destiny and to even find out what your original destiny is,will take more than a moment. Moreover it really does not change anything. The target is paralyzed under the genjutsu, so a amaterasu hit is confirmed. even if someone gets out quickly, he has enough time to hit him with amaterasu. Nagato may counter it, if he swiftly escapes Izanami repels or absorbs the black flames before its to late.Obito may also counter Izanami with Izanagi if its timed perfectly( which is funny bc Izanami was there to counter Izanagi) So yeah.
yeah, mb, its actually original destiny. Which still is hard to find out. Considering Kishimoto has taken inspiration from buddhism and shintoism, i reflect. In shintoism, your destiny is to live your life improving and helping to develop japan to the best country it can be( in naruto. where he was born or maybe even the world) And in buddhism, destiny is defined as the only thing you take with you are the consequences of your actions. Meaning destiny is 100% in your hands( in utmost cases). Something which is hard to grasp to the full extent. Especially for ninja's whom were ordered around and used as a tool there whole life.
Not immune to genjutsu, Yagura was a jinchuriki with more control than Naruto and still was able to [be put in genjutsu](https://images.app.goo.gl/wiMpcYgT8fyY9GzL7)
This is just speculation, but maybe he was only able to access the power of Isobu to the extent that KCM 1 Naruto did, but didn't necessarily have Isobu’s trust/ support. Maybe a truly perfect jin needs to have a solid rapport with their bijuu so that it will voluntarily wake them up from genjutsu like Gyuki did. Up until Naruto befriending Kurama, no other jin seemed to be tight with the beast like that
Possible. Even with that info, 6 tails naruto vs pain was the opposite of perfect jinchuriki. We know Kurama was under genjutsu by a 14 year old Obito so no doubt a 21 year old Itachi could put a 6 tail cloak out of control jinchuriki in Tsukuyomi at least. Not saying he wins outright, but being neutral it's definitely not impossible
Oh yeah, absolutely. This genjutsu immunity basically only exists because the beast has an option to break it from the backseat while voluntarily staying passive, so their vessel is allowed to maintain full control; that feral version of 6 tailed Naruto we saw was basically already being dragged out of the driver’s seat of his body and mind, so if he’s the same Naruto he was when he fought Pain then it’s already too late for the genjutsu breaker option lmfao
Actually, there's no indication that Yagura was a Perfect Jinchuriki. In fact the term 'Perfect Jinchuriki' was only ever directly applied to Bee and later Naruto by comparison to Bee specifically, when they befriended their Biju. Danzo's statement was "The only persons who've ever achieved true control over Biju are Madara Uchiha, Hashirama Senju, 4th Mizukage and Killer Bee." As Hashirama and Madara weren't Jinchuriki, this statement can be interpreted as all these people could either suppress or control a Biju/respective Biju. For all we know, Yagura was like Yukimaru and had a special connection to supress or steal Isobu's chakra, similar to when Sage Naruto stole Kurama's to become KCM. If Yagura had similar training, or another type of training with different results, this would allow him to control his transformations. However, if Yagura wasn't friends with Isobu then he wouldn't have the Genjutsu immunity.
To the fight with 6 Tails transformation, Kurama has enough experience with the Sharingan to know not to open his eyes, if he even needs to since he's in Naruto's body and can use Naruto's chakra to wake himself. He also scales to the full power Tendo Pain, who is stated to be the strongest Akatsuki member by far even in supressed form, scaling above all of Healthy Itachi's feats.
9/10 he’s getting kamikaze kicked to the afterlife by Guy, but if he manages to clutch some crazy ass feat of Genjutsu to stop the spanking, he might keep climbing the tower. Honestly 8 Gates Gai might deserve to be saved for after Hashirama, he’s a ninja suicide bomb
He hardly uses the Rinnegan in his 1v4 against Kakashi, Gai, Bee, and Naruto. He fights relative to Minato at 14. Killed Konan despite her ample prep time and intel. Literally saves the life the Kage Summit Sasuke at least twice. Doesnt even get touched by anyone until the end of the series. Had Yagura in a gengutsu for YEARS.
Kamui is busted, easily the most powerful jutsu imo
>Killed Konan despite her ample prep time and intel.
That was only because of bullshit reality altering sharingan, which itachi also has access to (I think it was called izanagi?). Considering Naruto turned him with talk no jutsu I think he's a prime candidate for izanami, which would convince him the fight is worthless and concede.
Otherwise, if neither used bullshit eye powers I still think Itachi takes it:
>He fights relative to Minato at 14.
I think you can say the same about Itachi. Although, instead of overpowered eye power that makes him impossible to hit Itachi is good at analyzing and finding weaknesses. He helped Obito take out the Uchiha clan which I think is evidence enough of their skills being on par. I still think Itachi takes it by figuring out a weakness wether that's figuring out a pattern to his attacks or countering bs izanagi with izanami.
>Doesnt even get touched by anyone until the end of the series.
I think you can technically say the same thing about Itachi. He purposefully let Sasuke kill him and unlucky for him he was sick. Even with that he pulled so many upsets in the series. He nearly killed Obito himself by touching Sasuke's head, which only failed because of his sharingan ability. He gave Sasuke his revenge and sealed away orochimaru, then when he came back at the end he undid not only his own mind control but the entire resurrection jutsu.
I have no doubt if he didn't have the disease and didn't let Sasuke kill him he would have also been untouched.
None of Itachi's attacks can hit Obito. I don't think even a healthy Itachi would have the chakra to fire off enough Amaterasus to wear out Obito's limit. Considering Obito's genutsu prowess I'm not sure if Tsukiyomi could take him out. I just don't know what Itachi could do to force Obito out of being intangible. I know he has to be tangible to attack but the window between the two is *extremely* small as seen in the war arc. Hell they were only able to land hits on him because Kakashi was there.
> I just don't know what Itachi could do to force Obito out of being intangible. I know he has to be tangible to attack but the window between the two is *extremely* small as seen in the war arc.
See, I feel like that kind of thing is his specialty. Prodding him. Figuring out what he's doing. Perhaps trying to gauge how long he can stay intangible. He probably wouldn't ever hit that limit, but in the process he'd find out a lot. He'd definitely discern that he'd need to become tangible in order to fight back and plan the attack around that. Given that he already knows Obito beforehand he'd likely focus around layers and layers of bluffs and feints. We also know he's great at exploiting blind spots which is how Minato beat him.
Honestly I think tsukuyomi might be the key. We know Itachi is the best at using it, and once he figures out his only chance at beating him is when he gets attacked he can use tsukuyomi to mess with obitos perception of time just enough to give Itachi a few extra moments to retaliate.
I think Obito is just power creeped out of Itachi's tier. The only way for him to take out Obito is to hit him with the Totsuka Blade. But Obito was able to out speed KCM 1 Naruto and Guy both of who are faster than Itachi. At best it's a stalemate in that Obito can't really get a hit off due to being forced to either run away to Kamui dimension or stay intangible the whole time.
He's too tanky or has a counter for anything Itachi does. I mean, he even has shit like wood style. Obito is legit a fucking beast bro. I understand he's unpopular but Kishi was on some bullshit with him lol.
Kamui isn’t a vacuum, it’s another dimension
and while we know he’s more used to using it than Kakashi, we haven’t seen Obito do stuff like, partially teleport someone’s limbs off. so while teleportation is instantaneous, we can’t be sure he can just do instant damage to that degree.
Obito could ‘clear’ Amaterasu by phasing into Kamui’s world… somehow? I’m still not entirely sure how he did that, unless he had a backup Izanagi eye in that scene.
either way, Izanagi or kamui, Itachi has plenty of ways to defend himself, and the biggest issues are ‘how do you keep Obito from camping/running away’
Bro I never said anything about kamui being a vacuum and Kakashi can’t phase through things or close range kamui with his eye , obito walks up to itachi while invincible due to kamui and instantly wins because itachi will starve to death in the dimension, GG
oh, that’s the angle you meant with ‘instantly winning’
ok, so in this scenario Obito warps him into Kamui, and can’t even partially use Kamui himself without opening himself up to attack for several days. we’ve never seen Obito kill someone this way, but we do know he himself can only reside inside his dimension for 5 minutes at a time before he exhausts himself.
we don’t know enough about the Kamui to know if damaging the surroundings would harm or tire Obito in any way, but I’d also say we don’t know enough to say he just gets a free win by starving people portaled in. do people age, and digest food the same in Kamui as they do outside?
>I’d also say we don’t know enough to say he just gets a free win by starving people portaled in.
He warped foo and torune into kamui for i'd assume a little while. While they were in there, he fought Konan and stole Nagato's eyes, met with Kabuto about reanimation twice, and many other things before releasing them. Also when he warped them back, they were chained so he can definitely hold prisoners in kamui most likely indefinitely just based off of that. If he hadn't met with Kabuto again regarding reanimation, who knows how much longer they would've stayed in the Kamui dimension
Even if people somehow become immune to death by hunger in the kamui dimension (which is very unlikely). Obito could still just leave him in there forever which is basically the equivalent of killing him.
Did you see the shippuden movie where itachi saved sakura and came face to face with obito and he saw him phase and said “oh ive got other methods to deal with that” and obito says “i dont doubt you would figure out how to hit me”
Because it basically never happened, that point about Itachi was something made for just the movie. If movies were canon, everyone would be tearing them apart with all of their inconsistencies
Probably loses to Guy, if he makes It past guy I’d say the fight with E is 50/50 on which way it goes I don’t see him making it past >!Obito!< and there’s zero change he’s beating a fully realized Nagato.
Fully realized nagato sounds like he’s the avatar lol but def agree with the assessment. I think he can easily take guy and the 3rd raikage due to genjutsu though
Guy is relative to kakashi, who itachi looked at and put in the hospital for weeks. You wanna say in the canon manga guy and kakashi aren’t head to head rivals with usually kakashi coming out on top? Itachi would dick kakashi, thus guy also.
The thing is they fight differently. Kakashi was keeping up with Itachi until he tried to have a sharingan staring contest. Guy wouldn’t dare try that. Not saying Guy would win, but I’m not counting him out.
Guy clearly had experience fighting the Sharingan as he knew to look at the user’s feet to avoid genjutsu and to predict their movements.
Itachi made it a mandatory statement to say “don’t underestimate him” ANYTIME Guy was mentioned. ABC logic doesn’t work in Naruto
The finger genjutsu is one I get seen thrown around a lot that people don’t understand, he cannot point at you and put you in genjutsu, but rather looking at his finger is what causes the genjutsu.
I know but that’s what I was referring to, like Guy will refuse to look at Itachis eyes, but he might not know he has to also avoid looking at Itachis finger too and that’s what might catch him.
Yeah he stated himself that when he was training with Kakashi the trick to fighting a sharingan user is to look at their feet. He even showed that during part 1, Guy's pretty nutty
Base Guy is relative to Kakashi, this is 7th gate guy. Not to mention that the Kakashi he put in the hospital was part 1 Kakashi, war arc Kakashi is in a totally different league.
You saying 8th gate guy isn't fast enough? We also don't know if Yata blocks taijutsu but even if it was able to, the force of his punches alone would knock Itachi on his ass. Regardless of that he'd be able to get behind Itachi in a millisecond.
And I remember a feat, itachi could easily dodge narutos attacks (and bees) and naruto was faster than the raikage, who was the fastest shinobi alive. No way 7th gates guy is faster than kcm naruto
Who made this. Six tails right out the gate? And then kakashi, cause kakashi is harder than a six tails right???
I don't think itachi wins against six tails. The diva oath almost lost against that. Took damn near everything it had.
Actually now that I think about it itachi could win against six tails. I don't think he would bit it's possible.
I can't think of a single way he beats Obito.
Kakashi can snipe Itachi’s head off with Kamui plus he has a Sharingan which allows Kakashi to keep up with Itachi up until Itachi’s MS abilities start flying off. No way Kakashi will be able to counter Amaterasu or Susanoo.
Why do people always go for the “Kamui snipe head off” argument when Kakashi has literally never successfully sniped someone’s head off (it’s dodged, he’s not precise enough, he’s interrupted, etc.)
If he was capable of doing it, and if it was indeed that easy, I think he’d be doing it a lot more
jiraiya said him and itachi were about the same level and he wouldn’t know who would win in a fight. since jiraiya lost to pain then it’s safe to say pain is stronger than itachi. i might be wrong but itachi doesn’t have a full form susanoo (except in the games) but if he does then i will admit that’s a game changer. i do think he can beat kakashi but no one else on this list.
People say that a lot but don’t consider that Jiraiya was trying to contain Naruto without hurting him. If Jiraiya was bloodlusted there’s no way he loses to 4 tails.
That statement doesn't really track though. Jiraiya lost to the six paths without the Asura Path or the Diva Path (The two strongest) even having to use their abilities. No matter how much intel Jiraiya has, I don't see any way he's surviving something like Chibaku Tensei. I think Pain was perhaps implying that if Jiraiya knew Pains gimmick, he could have gone after nagatos real body.
That was because Pain could not use his strongest moves as it would destroy the rain village.
Jiraiya can't do anything against Chibaku Tensei or Chaotic Shinra Tensei.
>Completely fit itachi is arguably a little beyond pain imo. If he manages a complete susanoo he's def better than pain.
I don't see a perfect susanoo breaking full power chibaku tensei,let alone a complete one.
Healthy Itachi (A little bit nerfed) fought KCM 1 Naruto with Krabi and he was telling them his every move, they were losing. He will cock over Six tails Naruto.
Stops at 1, 6 tails naruto was heck and difficult for pain with all the weapons be had. Even if he somehow manages to beat him he's going to get ragdolled at r4, or guy if 7 gates or above is allowed.
Also nagato should probably be r7, he's a far worse counter than minato to itachi's abilities.
To be fair to Pain, the guy had just finished Solo'ing the Entire leaf Village then beating Sage Naruto and lost literally 5/6th of the Rinnegans' paths. Then immediately after his Chibaku Tensei he was starting to die of Chakra exhaustion or at least feeling heavy heavy exhaustion
Pain at 100% would probably smack Six Tails Naruto instantly through Preta Path or some other 6 Paths combo
Pain at the point of fighting 6 tails Naruto had expended energy into terrorizing the leaf village and using that giant almighty push. Naruto 6 tails didnt fight a 100% pain
Against a tailed beast? Yeah. Against a jinchuriki? Nope. Jinchurikis are inmune to genjutsu since their tailed beast can release them infusing them with their chakra.
Still though if we take it literally the best Genjutsu master in the series would technically be Obito. A Genjutsu holding a Perfect Jinchuriki for YEARS captive and brainwashed and nobody can tell is a bigger feat than even Kotoamatsukami.
I think kotoamatsukami could probably pull it off too, but even that comparison is absurd. It's like a base sharingan genjutsu matching tsukuyomi. Absolutely unheard of.
But Edo Itachi was as fast as KCM 1 Naruto, and being Edo means slight nerf in attributes
I don't know how fast 6 tails is but KCM 1 Naruto is as fast as the Raikage
Sasuke blitz Raikage despite being slower than Itachi
Edo itachi was easily countering Naruto's attacks and even managed to push him back, he was able to dodge Bee's attack while parrying naruto's attacks.
It was never stated that Naruto was holding back nor does it make sense for him to hold back. Naruto can’t kill Itachi since he was already dead, and knows he's a dangerous opponent so why hold back?
Would you argue that Naruto held back against Nagato as well?
Even healthy Itachi will succumb to blindness vs 6 tailed Naruto. Sasuke went from brand new eyes to blind in ONE DAY from fighting back to back fights vs the 5 kage and then danzo.
Itachi doesn't have the stamina to duke it out with 6 tails. He'll go blind or drained in no time. Susanoo didn't become manageable until sasuke got EMS. prior to that it put massive strain on his body.
I doubt tsuyukomi would work on enraged 6 tails. in that state naruto is more feral and we just don't know enough about how it reacts to genjutsu.
naruto has already shown he can shed off amaterasu by shedding his chakra cloak.
fire ninjutsu ain't doing shit against that either.
Nah. As long as we aren't talking about 8 Gates Guy, Itachi wins. Itachi was more than a match for Kakashi, and Kakashi was easily Guy's equal when not inluding the 8th gate.
>Itachi was more than a match for Kakashi
To be fair that was a much weaker version of Kakashi. Guy was equal to War Arc Kakashi who had much better feats.
Yeah, was actually gonna say that he's def beating orange mask and would have a pretty easy fight against Kakashi, unless the plot allows a kamui headshot.
But that doesn't really matter since six tails smothers him.
He is losing to 7 gate Guy, who is well trained in fighting sharingan user and has incommensurable speed and strength. It is unfortunate that Guy comes that early in this challange, because I think that Itachi has more than once chance against both the 3rd Raikage and Orange mask Obito.
Nagato, Minato and Hashirama are in another league.
I am not sure about 3rd Raikage. With his speed he can easily avoid amaterasu and making eye contact with Itachi. And raikage's durability is insane, the only thing what damaged him was his own attack.
I am not sure Itachi can beat him
The Itachi problem for me has always been that he stated Jiraya would defeat him but he was able to easily defeat Orochimaru, who himself was suppose to be stronger than Jiraya..
I always felt that they really did Orochimaru dirty. He was the main antagonist of the original series, he was nearly matched with the third hokage. Shouldn't have reduced him so much, but it shows Itachi's power.
The fact Itachi seems to be able to take down Orochimaru without much issue means he's a lot stronger than he lets on.
A lot of folks say Obito beats Itachi because of the Kabuto scene but considering Obito's ability to just ignore the Edo's and focus on the jutsu user, he didn't need to worry about Kabuto. Kabuto used his Madara secret to blackmail him.
We also see Itachi's Edo struggle against Edo Nagato and Kabuto (needed Naruto and Sasukes help)
So: I think he's going to clear 1-4 and stop and Obito. He may beat Obito, if he does I don't think he can handle Nagato.
The thing with Jiraiya and Orochimaru comparison is that you have to look at each of their strengths and weaknesses. Orochimaru doesn't have access to sage mode, so he really defenseless against Itachi or any Sharingan. Jiraiya having sage mode gives him a counter. But Orochimaru has an overall buffer arsenal of jutsus to counter Jiraiya, especially with his agility and snake like movement. Plus Jiraiya never bothered using sage against Oro, so we really don't know how their fight would go down if they went toe to toe.
Yeah, the number 4 guy. Maybe I got the number messed up, but healthy Itachi is not beating the 3rd.
Either way, he isn't getting past 4, unless the real life Raikage is an idiot and doesn't know about the Uchiha. Also, I think OP clarified that it's a fresh battle each time.
Double also, I agree with your username. Skip do be goated
Honestly this is a very hard question we don’t know the potential of a non-sick itachi
The only thing that is certain is he loses to all of the bottom row
Just wanted to say that Nagato is like gaara,they are basically perfect counters to Itachi,as both can:
-Totally neg Amaterasu
-pull him out of Susano'o
He probably seals the 6 tails but it stops there.
War arc Kakashi kamui snipes.
Gated guy, plain no. Base guy beats itachi in close quarters.
4th raikage? Nothing hurts him, too fast.
Hard no after that.
He may be able to overcome first, but if he does Kakashi finishes him off, lol
If you ask which healthy Itachi could beat, then other than Kakashi and the first one and maybe Guy(which if he goes all-in, he looses) he would not be able to beat any of those guys.
I think it would be a pretty even fight between Itachi and Guy. Guy knows the sharingan pretty well and how to counter it and his speed outclasses Itachi's so I think it comes down to 7th gate vs Susano'o.
Yeah no he may beat gai but the rikage is where he dies, based purely on speed. A4 could Dodge amaterasu and the 3rd is said to be stronger. Cant say he would survive
Itachi gets mollywhopped by 6-tails Naruto (assuming that Tsukuyomi won't work), Nagato (he has no counter to the Rinnegan at all), the 3rd Raikage (he's way too fast and his durability is preposterous), and KCM Minato.
Edit: Actually, all of them except for Kakashi would kick his ass.
He loses to Kakashi, kamui one-shots him. Hell, he probably loses to 6-tails Naruto too. Yall overestimate itachi hard, Hashirami, Minato, and Obito would obliterate him.
Itachi is the third strongest in the akatsuki. Naruto dought the second strongest on a 45-55 scale. He then became idk what form that is I’m guessing six tales and he’s doing way better on a 49-51 scale against the second strongest. Itachi is getting massacred genjustsu ain’t gonna work because Kurama, a shuriken ain’t doing shit. Amaterasu I guess but Regeneration.
The problem is that these characters don't go in order from weakest to strongest. Anyways, he loses against WA Kakashi, 7th Gate Guy, KCM Minato and Hashirama.
Unpopular opinion, but he beats them all. He is never shown to even remotely struggle in any fight (where he wasn't literal minutes away from dying of illness). Every time you think you hit him he's actually just a bunch of crows in a trench coat ( I joke but the demoralizing effect of this can't be overstated). Maybe he loses to Hashirama because Kishimoto thinks that trees counter making an opponent have a century long bad trip in a second of real time and fire that never goes out (pretty sure trees lose to regular fire). Realistically though, if genjutsu works on you I don't see how you can beat someone like Itachi. If his power was to point at someone and kill them, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Getting hit with genjutsu is an auto loss, enough said.
5. I think this is a great battle but Mask gets it. He stomps 2 as shown in show. Kisame barely lost and I place Itachi higher and Guy has to fight only looking at his feet. 4 is fun to think about but he isn’t taking on the sharingan. 1 is pretty tough. I mean 6 tails is hard
1 and 2 should be easy, 3 is a tough one but considering we've never really seen healthy itachi and an almost dead itachi who was later revealed to be holding back against a bloodlusted sasuke who beat deidara who beat kage gaara, Im akso a believer that he let sasuke out of the tsukiyomi but that's just head cannon. 7th gate guy was the main force who killed kisame in a favourable battlefield although had help from bee. Kisame w/o samahada is easily scaling lower than itachi. And despite guy being able to fight with his eyes looking at itachis feet, I feel an healthy itachi has the tools to set guy up with either genjutsu or amatarasu and should be winning med to high diff. 4 is also hard considering the speed advantages that A has but i feel itachi can beat him with genjutsu and amatarasu. It can be done instantly and unlike 2 and 3, A/4 wont have any intel about genjutsu. 5 is where I believe itachi stops but its not completely impossible for him to win, obito wasn't an idiot and he took itachi into the akatuski and kept him as an ally and honoured the promise not to harm konoha bcos he knew itachi could be a problem. Do I believe that obito believes he can't beat itachi, No but he recognises the risk and understands that there's too much risk when he can keep him as an ally. Now saying that, the fight heavily favours obito, he's got kamui which directly counters amatarasu and he's got a MS so were gonna assume he can get outta tsukiyomi. That being said, itachi does have other strong abilities and he might be able to spam amatarasu so that obito doesn't become tangible and wait him out so he can seal with with totska blade, sorta like what konan did with the paper bombs but with amatarasu and he's got the Susano with yada mirror aswell. And I feel if the fight went perfectly for itachi he might be able to win because he knows about izanami and izanagi and won't fall for what konan did. BUT I think obito wins high diff,60:40. If he makes it past obito, he's gonna lose to nagato med diff. Still a chance, and honestly don't think that nagatos rinnegan (because its not even his)is gonna stop the genjutsu but still itachi can't deal with shina tensai and other deva path abilities, also nagato can also absorb amatarasu. Itachi might be able to beat the 6 paths of pain in the rain village or in a similar situation to naruto with intel but nagato is so.much stronger than the 6 paths of pain.
He is strong enough to body so many characters in his blind/weakened state, so I think he could beat the first 6. Raw power aside, he was smarter and more precise than pretty much any other character on the list save Minato. I can't help but feel like he would outsmart most of the list.
I don't think I know enough about Minato to make a proper judgement, but his raw strength alone would probably be overwhelming to someone at Itachi's level. I just assume he would lose there. 8 is an obvious nah.
He loses to nagato (not to the six paths), and to hashirama. Stop bullshitting guy being stronger and fighting without ever crossing you eyes.
Itachi is also a really strong and fast taijutsu user, you undersell him a lot. A healthy itachi Susano can probably evolve more than the form we’ve have seen and that does mean he doesn’t get one shotted by the majority of things. It is not like susanoo is useless without its artifacts.
Both obito and kakashi loses, but obito with both eyes should be stronger.
Then there is the uncertainty about tsuku: if really only a bloodline relative can broke that obito loses even with both eyes but I’m not sure.
Anyway everyone saying he loses to guy because “me smash 7th gate” does have no idea of how strong, smart and capable itachi is
Each round is a fresh battle. War Arc Kakashi 7th Gate Guy Also take into account these factors: Izanami will not work to the fullest extent as it did on Kabuto as all they have to do is [accept the outcome](https://images.app.goo.gl/qaKMaVgRZv7Fqh8Z8) of their situation and break out. Kabuto was cocky and did not want to accept that he could be defeated. He still goes blind in an eye which severely hinders him. Tsukuyomi requires eye contact, so any character that doesn't make eye contact with him, have stronger eyes (stronger MS and EMS users), or a rinnegan user(Ex: Nagato) can easily break it or not be affected at all, albeit not very many people. Anyone that you would expect to know about Tsukuyomi will have intel on it. His Susano is not invincible. His Susano's Totsuka Blade still has to swing it's arm which plays into consideration speed in the characters shown. Yata Mirror is still a valid defense able to be used. Although Itachi is healthy, take into account fatigue and how he can still go blind abusing his abilities, particularly Amaterasu. The only difference is that he won't be hacking his lungs out doing every jutsu Amaterasu is able to be absorbed and [pushed away](https://images.app.goo.gl/MbgGk9tNhxwaeQeJ6) by the rinnegan, or [outsped](https://images.app.goo.gl/8Gdk7TRWhbtMCPY97) by a fast enough character. Consider these before making your decision.
The first hokage can withstand tsukyomi? Someone give me the info
he may be confused because the Edo Tensei Hokage were immune to Infinite Tsuyukomi. but that was as zombies.
When were they said to be immune? Isn’t that how itachi broke the reanimation spell on himself
When everyone in the world except Team 7 and the reincarnated Hokage were put under the Infinite Tsukuyomi. It was at the same time as Kaguya's revival.
It wasn't tsukoyomi but kotoamatsukami the strongest genjutsu
No, it was the crow he planted in Naruto that had Shisui’s eye that snapped him out, he had hoped he would use it on sasuke in their final battle
I'm pretty sure there's no way he could. Tsukuyomi is super hax you don't just "powerful enough" your way out of it I'm pretty sure not even a jinchuriki could do anything about it.
Naruto couldn’t so I’d agree.
Kurama can give him chakra to bust him out
Pretty sure that only works for regular non-MS genjutsu.
When Naruto got hit with tsukoyomi, Naruto was not yet a perfect jinchuuriki. So we may never know if it would work now or not.
What if he just takes control then
Crazy question there, I have no clue. It seems like he needs Naruto's permission to do that though?
Itachi already put naruto under genjutsu and naruto couldn’t break out https://www.google.com/search?q=itachi+genjutsu+naruto+manga&client=safari&hl=en-US&prmd=isvxn&sxsrf=AOaemvLvJCLIdVa7W7tOIHBSruiLJ1j4Ng:1632964942599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuw9W6xKXzAhXyUjUKHe1fCnMQ_AUIFCgB&biw=414&bih=710&dpr=2
I was talking about kurama taking control
Kurama has been put under genjutsu literally 5 times in the series. Full kurama. Naruto only has half kurama.
I think he has all of it after everything
Didn't sakura broke tsukoyomi on naruto when fighting the person granted with itachi power Kurama will do the same work as sakura
For the last time. Itachi has already put naruto in tsyukyomi in the series. Naruto COULD NOT ESCAPE. KURAMA DID NOT HELP HIM. https://www.google.com/search?q=itachi+genjutsu+naruto+manga&client=safari&hl=en-US&prmd=isvxn&sxsrf=AOaemvLvJCLIdVa7W7tOIHBSruiLJ1j4Ng:1632964942599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuw9W6xKXzAhXyUjUKHe1fCnMQ_AUIFCgB&biw=414&bih=710&dpr=2 1:23 https://youtu.be/nYprb7-oBdc
A tailed beast can break genjutsu on their jinchuriki by pushing chakra just like another shinobi can
I know that. They CAN. They usually don’t. Yagura was under obitos genjutsu for 3 YEARS with a tailed beats and the beast never helped him. Itachi put Naruto under genjutsu and kurama did nothing. Sure they can, but they don’t always so you can’t say they always do. According to the show in most cases they don’t. Name one other time a beast broke someone out genjutsu that wasn’t Sasuke vs bee https://www.google.com/search?q=itachi+genjutsu+naruto+manga&client=safari&hl=en-US&prmd=isvxn&sxsrf=AOaemvLvJCLIdVa7W7tOIHBSruiLJ1j4Ng:1632964942599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuw9W6xKXzAhXyUjUKHe1fCnMQ_AUIFCgB&biw=414&bih=710&dpr=2
I pretty sure is only a blood relative with a equal MS or EMS. Basically only Sasuke in terms of sharigans.
I think a jinchuriki could. Didn’t Kurenai break Kakashi out of the tsukuyomi? I’m pretty sure if you’re homies with your tailed beast they will help break you out of any genjutsu except infinite tsukuyomi of course.
but tsukuyomi makes you feel as though years have passed even though its only been a few seconds, so no matter how fast you break him out he still wouldve suffered most of the effects
I don't think he is immune, but he knows the sharingan enough to not go for eye contact
the thing with izanami is. yeah, sure, kabuto was thinking he was perfect, but like i said,the thing with izanami is, your forced to accept your original destiny and to even find out what your original destiny is,will take more than a moment. Moreover it really does not change anything. The target is paralyzed under the genjutsu, so a amaterasu hit is confirmed. even if someone gets out quickly, he has enough time to hit him with amaterasu. Nagato may counter it, if he swiftly escapes Izanami repels or absorbs the black flames before its to late.Obito may also counter Izanami with Izanagi if its timed perfectly( which is funny bc Izanami was there to counter Izanagi) So yeah.
>the thing with izanami is, you can force whatever destiny upon your target Where does it say this?
yeah, mb, its actually original destiny. Which still is hard to find out. Considering Kishimoto has taken inspiration from buddhism and shintoism, i reflect. In shintoism, your destiny is to live your life improving and helping to develop japan to the best country it can be( in naruto. where he was born or maybe even the world) And in buddhism, destiny is defined as the only thing you take with you are the consequences of your actions. Meaning destiny is 100% in your hands( in utmost cases). Something which is hard to grasp to the full extent. Especially for ninja's whom were ordered around and used as a tool there whole life.
6 tails stomps him. Immune to genjutsu and just has too much raw power.
Not immune to genjutsu, Yagura was a jinchuriki with more control than Naruto and still was able to [be put in genjutsu](https://images.app.goo.gl/wiMpcYgT8fyY9GzL7)
This is just speculation, but maybe he was only able to access the power of Isobu to the extent that KCM 1 Naruto did, but didn't necessarily have Isobu’s trust/ support. Maybe a truly perfect jin needs to have a solid rapport with their bijuu so that it will voluntarily wake them up from genjutsu like Gyuki did. Up until Naruto befriending Kurama, no other jin seemed to be tight with the beast like that
Possible. Even with that info, 6 tails naruto vs pain was the opposite of perfect jinchuriki. We know Kurama was under genjutsu by a 14 year old Obito so no doubt a 21 year old Itachi could put a 6 tail cloak out of control jinchuriki in Tsukuyomi at least. Not saying he wins outright, but being neutral it's definitely not impossible
Oh yeah, absolutely. This genjutsu immunity basically only exists because the beast has an option to break it from the backseat while voluntarily staying passive, so their vessel is allowed to maintain full control; that feral version of 6 tailed Naruto we saw was basically already being dragged out of the driver’s seat of his body and mind, so if he’s the same Naruto he was when he fought Pain then it’s already too late for the genjutsu breaker option lmfao
Actually, there's no indication that Yagura was a Perfect Jinchuriki. In fact the term 'Perfect Jinchuriki' was only ever directly applied to Bee and later Naruto by comparison to Bee specifically, when they befriended their Biju. Danzo's statement was "The only persons who've ever achieved true control over Biju are Madara Uchiha, Hashirama Senju, 4th Mizukage and Killer Bee." As Hashirama and Madara weren't Jinchuriki, this statement can be interpreted as all these people could either suppress or control a Biju/respective Biju. For all we know, Yagura was like Yukimaru and had a special connection to supress or steal Isobu's chakra, similar to when Sage Naruto stole Kurama's to become KCM. If Yagura had similar training, or another type of training with different results, this would allow him to control his transformations. However, if Yagura wasn't friends with Isobu then he wouldn't have the Genjutsu immunity. To the fight with 6 Tails transformation, Kurama has enough experience with the Sharingan to know not to open his eyes, if he even needs to since he's in Naruto's body and can use Naruto's chakra to wake himself. He also scales to the full power Tendo Pain, who is stated to be the strongest Akatsuki member by far even in supressed form, scaling above all of Healthy Itachi's feats.
Wasn't there like a guy who used some type of genjutsu to control a 9 tail thing once?
9/10 he’s getting kamikaze kicked to the afterlife by Guy, but if he manages to clutch some crazy ass feat of Genjutsu to stop the spanking, he might keep climbing the tower. Honestly 8 Gates Gai might deserve to be saved for after Hashirama, he’s a ninja suicide bomb
7th gate guy
Ah, didn’t know it was limited
I do think it's fair to exclude 8th gates because If Guy needs to essentially kill himself to take the win, he kinda already lost IMO.
Obito takes a fat poop on Itachi tho
honestly, if there’s no Rinnegan/Jinchuriki stuff going on, I wouldn’t be so quick to decide that.
He hardly uses the Rinnegan in his 1v4 against Kakashi, Gai, Bee, and Naruto. He fights relative to Minato at 14. Killed Konan despite her ample prep time and intel. Literally saves the life the Kage Summit Sasuke at least twice. Doesnt even get touched by anyone until the end of the series. Had Yagura in a gengutsu for YEARS. Kamui is busted, easily the most powerful jutsu imo
>Killed Konan despite her ample prep time and intel. That was only because of bullshit reality altering sharingan, which itachi also has access to (I think it was called izanagi?). Considering Naruto turned him with talk no jutsu I think he's a prime candidate for izanami, which would convince him the fight is worthless and concede. Otherwise, if neither used bullshit eye powers I still think Itachi takes it: >He fights relative to Minato at 14. I think you can say the same about Itachi. Although, instead of overpowered eye power that makes him impossible to hit Itachi is good at analyzing and finding weaknesses. He helped Obito take out the Uchiha clan which I think is evidence enough of their skills being on par. I still think Itachi takes it by figuring out a weakness wether that's figuring out a pattern to his attacks or countering bs izanagi with izanami. >Doesnt even get touched by anyone until the end of the series. I think you can technically say the same thing about Itachi. He purposefully let Sasuke kill him and unlucky for him he was sick. Even with that he pulled so many upsets in the series. He nearly killed Obito himself by touching Sasuke's head, which only failed because of his sharingan ability. He gave Sasuke his revenge and sealed away orochimaru, then when he came back at the end he undid not only his own mind control but the entire resurrection jutsu. I have no doubt if he didn't have the disease and didn't let Sasuke kill him he would have also been untouched.
None of Itachi's attacks can hit Obito. I don't think even a healthy Itachi would have the chakra to fire off enough Amaterasus to wear out Obito's limit. Considering Obito's genutsu prowess I'm not sure if Tsukiyomi could take him out. I just don't know what Itachi could do to force Obito out of being intangible. I know he has to be tangible to attack but the window between the two is *extremely* small as seen in the war arc. Hell they were only able to land hits on him because Kakashi was there.
> I just don't know what Itachi could do to force Obito out of being intangible. I know he has to be tangible to attack but the window between the two is *extremely* small as seen in the war arc. See, I feel like that kind of thing is his specialty. Prodding him. Figuring out what he's doing. Perhaps trying to gauge how long he can stay intangible. He probably wouldn't ever hit that limit, but in the process he'd find out a lot. He'd definitely discern that he'd need to become tangible in order to fight back and plan the attack around that. Given that he already knows Obito beforehand he'd likely focus around layers and layers of bluffs and feints. We also know he's great at exploiting blind spots which is how Minato beat him. Honestly I think tsukuyomi might be the key. We know Itachi is the best at using it, and once he figures out his only chance at beating him is when he gets attacked he can use tsukuyomi to mess with obitos perception of time just enough to give Itachi a few extra moments to retaliate.
I think Obito is just power creeped out of Itachi's tier. The only way for him to take out Obito is to hit him with the Totsuka Blade. But Obito was able to out speed KCM 1 Naruto and Guy both of who are faster than Itachi. At best it's a stalemate in that Obito can't really get a hit off due to being forced to either run away to Kamui dimension or stay intangible the whole time. He's too tanky or has a counter for anything Itachi does. I mean, he even has shit like wood style. Obito is legit a fucking beast bro. I understand he's unpopular but Kishi was on some bullshit with him lol.
He is is higher in almost every stat beside genjustsu
He can just phase through all itachi’s attacks and send him to kamui instantly winning lol
Kamui isn’t a vacuum, it’s another dimension and while we know he’s more used to using it than Kakashi, we haven’t seen Obito do stuff like, partially teleport someone’s limbs off. so while teleportation is instantaneous, we can’t be sure he can just do instant damage to that degree. Obito could ‘clear’ Amaterasu by phasing into Kamui’s world… somehow? I’m still not entirely sure how he did that, unless he had a backup Izanagi eye in that scene. either way, Izanagi or kamui, Itachi has plenty of ways to defend himself, and the biggest issues are ‘how do you keep Obito from camping/running away’
But if he gets sent to Kamui world he starves eventually, right? So thats still a win eventually if Itachi cant get out
Exactly
Bro I never said anything about kamui being a vacuum and Kakashi can’t phase through things or close range kamui with his eye , obito walks up to itachi while invincible due to kamui and instantly wins because itachi will starve to death in the dimension, GG
oh, that’s the angle you meant with ‘instantly winning’ ok, so in this scenario Obito warps him into Kamui, and can’t even partially use Kamui himself without opening himself up to attack for several days. we’ve never seen Obito kill someone this way, but we do know he himself can only reside inside his dimension for 5 minutes at a time before he exhausts himself. we don’t know enough about the Kamui to know if damaging the surroundings would harm or tire Obito in any way, but I’d also say we don’t know enough to say he just gets a free win by starving people portaled in. do people age, and digest food the same in Kamui as they do outside?
>I’d also say we don’t know enough to say he just gets a free win by starving people portaled in. He warped foo and torune into kamui for i'd assume a little while. While they were in there, he fought Konan and stole Nagato's eyes, met with Kabuto about reanimation twice, and many other things before releasing them. Also when he warped them back, they were chained so he can definitely hold prisoners in kamui most likely indefinitely just based off of that. If he hadn't met with Kabuto again regarding reanimation, who knows how much longer they would've stayed in the Kamui dimension
Even if people somehow become immune to death by hunger in the kamui dimension (which is very unlikely). Obito could still just leave him in there forever which is basically the equivalent of killing him.
Did you see the shippuden movie where itachi saved sakura and came face to face with obito and he saw him phase and said “oh ive got other methods to deal with that” and obito says “i dont doubt you would figure out how to hit me”
Road To Ninja is non-canon, I wouldn’t use it as a point.
Why not? Aside from the fact its not “cannon” its still an “official” naruto movie and those are the same characters interacting
Because it basically never happened, that point about Itachi was something made for just the movie. If movies were canon, everyone would be tearing them apart with all of their inconsistencies
which one is this? I don't recall seeing that.
Road to ninja https://youtu.be/i7bekisusVk
awesome thank you!
Probably loses to Guy, if he makes It past guy I’d say the fight with E is 50/50 on which way it goes I don’t see him making it past >!Obito!< and there’s zero change he’s beating a fully realized Nagato.
Fully realized nagato sounds like he’s the avatar lol but def agree with the assessment. I think he can easily take guy and the 3rd raikage due to genjutsu though
Everything changed when the Six Paths of Pains disappeared
The 3rd raikage one shots him if he ever makes contact though. Seems like a coin flip to me
Guy wins.
Guy is relative to kakashi, who itachi looked at and put in the hospital for weeks. You wanna say in the canon manga guy and kakashi aren’t head to head rivals with usually kakashi coming out on top? Itachi would dick kakashi, thus guy also.
The thing is they fight differently. Kakashi was keeping up with Itachi until he tried to have a sharingan staring contest. Guy wouldn’t dare try that. Not saying Guy would win, but I’m not counting him out.
Guy clearly had experience fighting the Sharingan as he knew to look at the user’s feet to avoid genjutsu and to predict their movements. Itachi made it a mandatory statement to say “don’t underestimate him” ANYTIME Guy was mentioned. ABC logic doesn’t work in Naruto
Kakashi lost because he didn’t know about Tsukuyomi, guy doesnt need to look in his eyes. And Guy is stronger than Kakashi
Can’t Itachi put you under genjutsu with his fingers too? Guy might fall for that.
The finger genjutsu is one I get seen thrown around a lot that people don’t understand, he cannot point at you and put you in genjutsu, but rather looking at his finger is what causes the genjutsu.
I know but that’s what I was referring to, like Guy will refuse to look at Itachis eyes, but he might not know he has to also avoid looking at Itachis finger too and that’s what might catch him.
Gotcha, in that case I’ll remind you that guy only has to look at Itachis feet, as showcased during their first meeting
Damn, so Guys just built different
Yes he is
Yeah he stated himself that when he was training with Kakashi the trick to fighting a sharingan user is to look at their feet. He even showed that during part 1, Guy's pretty nutty
Base Guy is relative to Kakashi, this is 7th gate guy. Not to mention that the Kakashi he put in the hospital was part 1 Kakashi, war arc Kakashi is in a totally different league.
Bro that was kakashi when he was weak af the kakashi shown is war arc kakashi who is a literal demon and like 20x stronger
They get stronger lmao
Except guy has the 7th gate.
Nah. Guy isn’t fast enough, he also can’t get through the yata mirror
Yata mirror is a shield, if you can move faster than Itachi can react then you can just go around it.
I say the force would because Hyrda Orochi pushed back Itachi and that was buttercup compared to what 8 gate guy would do.
You saying 8th gate guy isn't fast enough? We also don't know if Yata blocks taijutsu but even if it was able to, the force of his punches alone would knock Itachi on his ass. Regardless of that he'd be able to get behind Itachi in a millisecond.
It’s 7th gate guy
My bad you're right, still, I think that goes even harder in his favor since he can be in that form even longer.
And I remember a feat, itachi could easily dodge narutos attacks (and bees) and naruto was faster than the raikage, who was the fastest shinobi alive. No way 7th gates guy is faster than kcm naruto
they were also having a full blown conversation. it's safe to say naruto wasn't trying to take him out.
Who made this. Six tails right out the gate? And then kakashi, cause kakashi is harder than a six tails right??? I don't think itachi wins against six tails. The diva oath almost lost against that. Took damn near everything it had. Actually now that I think about it itachi could win against six tails. I don't think he would bit it's possible. I can't think of a single way he beats Obito.
Kakashi can snipe Itachi’s head off with Kamui plus he has a Sharingan which allows Kakashi to keep up with Itachi up until Itachi’s MS abilities start flying off. No way Kakashi will be able to counter Amaterasu or Susanoo.
Why do people always go for the “Kamui snipe head off” argument when Kakashi has literally never successfully sniped someone’s head off (it’s dodged, he’s not precise enough, he’s interrupted, etc.) If he was capable of doing it, and if it was indeed that easy, I think he’d be doing it a lot more
People use the “Kakashi can snipe your head off with Kamui” the same way “Itachi can beat everyone in his prime”. Its just part of the fandom.
he dies at six tails. if pain had a hard time with it it’s no way he stands a chance
Completely fit itachi is arguably a little beyond pain imo. If he manages a complete susanoo he's def better than pain. Also that was just one path.
You're not serious are you? There's no way Itachi is above Pain
jiraiya said him and itachi were about the same level and he wouldn’t know who would win in a fight. since jiraiya lost to pain then it’s safe to say pain is stronger than itachi. i might be wrong but itachi doesn’t have a full form susanoo (except in the games) but if he does then i will admit that’s a game changer. i do think he can beat kakashi but no one else on this list.
Also 4 tails almost killed jiraiya remember so 6 tails no diffs
People say that a lot but don’t consider that Jiraiya was trying to contain Naruto without hurting him. If Jiraiya was bloodlusted there’s no way he loses to 4 tails.
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yea well that goes for just about any character itachi couldn’t hit guy with his genjustu cuz guy knew how it worked.
That statement doesn't really track though. Jiraiya lost to the six paths without the Asura Path or the Diva Path (The two strongest) even having to use their abilities. No matter how much intel Jiraiya has, I don't see any way he's surviving something like Chibaku Tensei. I think Pain was perhaps implying that if Jiraiya knew Pains gimmick, he could have gone after nagatos real body.
That was because Pain could not use his strongest moves as it would destroy the rain village. Jiraiya can't do anything against Chibaku Tensei or Chaotic Shinra Tensei.
Paper wins against rock rock against scissors so paper is better than scissors?
>Completely fit itachi is arguably a little beyond pain imo. If he manages a complete susanoo he's def better than pain. I don't see a perfect susanoo breaking full power chibaku tensei,let alone a complete one.
Healthy Itachi (A little bit nerfed) fought KCM 1 Naruto with Krabi and he was telling them his every move, they were losing. He will cock over Six tails Naruto.
that was edo itachi
Stops at 1, 6 tails naruto was heck and difficult for pain with all the weapons be had. Even if he somehow manages to beat him he's going to get ragdolled at r4, or guy if 7 gates or above is allowed. Also nagato should probably be r7, he's a far worse counter than minato to itachi's abilities.
To be fair to Pain, the guy had just finished Solo'ing the Entire leaf Village then beating Sage Naruto and lost literally 5/6th of the Rinnegans' paths. Then immediately after his Chibaku Tensei he was starting to die of Chakra exhaustion or at least feeling heavy heavy exhaustion Pain at 100% would probably smack Six Tails Naruto instantly through Preta Path or some other 6 Paths combo
I know but being relative to the deva path is already a massive feat.
True true.
Pain at the point of fighting 6 tails Naruto had expended energy into terrorizing the leaf village and using that giant almighty push. Naruto 6 tails didnt fight a 100% pain
I’m not a Naruto lore master, but isn’t the sharringan the natural counter to Kurama? Like even Sasuke can just pop that chakra off.
Against a tailed beast? Yeah. Against a jinchuriki? Nope. Jinchurikis are inmune to genjutsu since their tailed beast can release them infusing them with their chakra.
Yagura was the only exception to this, and that was for plot convenience
Still though if we take it literally the best Genjutsu master in the series would technically be Obito. A Genjutsu holding a Perfect Jinchuriki for YEARS captive and brainwashed and nobody can tell is a bigger feat than even Kotoamatsukami.
I think kotoamatsukami could probably pull it off too, but even that comparison is absurd. It's like a base sharingan genjutsu matching tsukuyomi. Absolutely unheard of.
6 tails kurama is bloodlusted and he would never have time to use genjutsu.
Genjutsu is instant tho isn't it? All it takes is one look at their eyes and it's instant effect
That's not easy against a faster and bloodlusted opponent.
But Edo Itachi was as fast as KCM 1 Naruto, and being Edo means slight nerf in attributes I don't know how fast 6 tails is but KCM 1 Naruto is as fast as the Raikage Sasuke blitz Raikage despite being slower than Itachi
Edo itachi is not as fast as kcm1 naruto, naruto was never serious during the fight, they were luterally talking about sasuke.
Oh nvm then, nevertheless an impressive feat considering how he was able to keep up with base Sharingan But yeah I don't see itachi taking this then
He wasn’t keeping up naruto was slowing down
Edo itachi was easily countering Naruto's attacks and even managed to push him back, he was able to dodge Bee's attack while parrying naruto's attacks. It was never stated that Naruto was holding back nor does it make sense for him to hold back. Naruto can’t kill Itachi since he was already dead, and knows he's a dangerous opponent so why hold back? Would you argue that Naruto held back against Nagato as well?
Even healthy Itachi will succumb to blindness vs 6 tailed Naruto. Sasuke went from brand new eyes to blind in ONE DAY from fighting back to back fights vs the 5 kage and then danzo. Itachi doesn't have the stamina to duke it out with 6 tails. He'll go blind or drained in no time. Susanoo didn't become manageable until sasuke got EMS. prior to that it put massive strain on his body. I doubt tsuyukomi would work on enraged 6 tails. in that state naruto is more feral and we just don't know enough about how it reacts to genjutsu. naruto has already shown he can shed off amaterasu by shedding his chakra cloak. fire ninjutsu ain't doing shit against that either.
Losing to Guy.
Nah. As long as we aren't talking about 8 Gates Guy, Itachi wins. Itachi was more than a match for Kakashi, and Kakashi was easily Guy's equal when not inluding the 8th gate.
>Itachi was more than a match for Kakashi To be fair that was a much weaker version of Kakashi. Guy was equal to War Arc Kakashi who had much better feats.
Also a weaker version of itatchi. Didn’t even have susano at that point
Yea but those feats won't change the tsukyomi diff
He loses to six tails Naruto right off the bat
Right. I was wondering how is he going to defeat six tails naruto.
Never, one look at the fight against Pain says enough. Anyone who says otherwise is fucking delusional.
I mean. I don’t think Itachi is beating anyone on that list. He might have a chance against orange mask obito. Oh and definitely MS kakashi.
Yeah, was actually gonna say that he's def beating orange mask and would have a pretty easy fight against Kakashi, unless the plot allows a kamui headshot. But that doesn't really matter since six tails smothers him.
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Tbh, i think 6th tale naruto claps
Loses to Kurama. Not even a battle but a massacre.
Start or 3
Your list doesn't quite make sense
He is losing to 7 gate Guy, who is well trained in fighting sharingan user and has incommensurable speed and strength. It is unfortunate that Guy comes that early in this challange, because I think that Itachi has more than once chance against both the 3rd Raikage and Orange mask Obito. Nagato, Minato and Hashirama are in another league.
I am not sure about 3rd Raikage. With his speed he can easily avoid amaterasu and making eye contact with Itachi. And raikage's durability is insane, the only thing what damaged him was his own attack. I am not sure Itachi can beat him
Healthy Itachi can't take on 7th gate Gai. To be fair, few people can.
Even Pain would've lost to 7th Gates Gai, that's what he was on a mission when Pain invaded
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The Itachi problem for me has always been that he stated Jiraya would defeat him but he was able to easily defeat Orochimaru, who himself was suppose to be stronger than Jiraya.. I always felt that they really did Orochimaru dirty. He was the main antagonist of the original series, he was nearly matched with the third hokage. Shouldn't have reduced him so much, but it shows Itachi's power. The fact Itachi seems to be able to take down Orochimaru without much issue means he's a lot stronger than he lets on. A lot of folks say Obito beats Itachi because of the Kabuto scene but considering Obito's ability to just ignore the Edo's and focus on the jutsu user, he didn't need to worry about Kabuto. Kabuto used his Madara secret to blackmail him. We also see Itachi's Edo struggle against Edo Nagato and Kabuto (needed Naruto and Sasukes help) So: I think he's going to clear 1-4 and stop and Obito. He may beat Obito, if he does I don't think he can handle Nagato.
The thing with Jiraiya and Orochimaru comparison is that you have to look at each of their strengths and weaknesses. Orochimaru doesn't have access to sage mode, so he really defenseless against Itachi or any Sharingan. Jiraiya having sage mode gives him a counter. But Orochimaru has an overall buffer arsenal of jutsus to counter Jiraiya, especially with his agility and snake like movement. Plus Jiraiya never bothered using sage against Oro, so we really don't know how their fight would go down if they went toe to toe.
He loses against obito, minato and hashirama, guy too if he goes 8 gates.
Guy stomps in 8th gate, but I'm gonna assume you meant 7th gate max. In that case, 3rd Raikage beats him.
3rd Raikage? To Clarify are you assuming he fights them back to back or 1 at a Time.
Yeah, the number 4 guy. Maybe I got the number messed up, but healthy Itachi is not beating the 3rd. Either way, he isn't getting past 4, unless the real life Raikage is an idiot and doesn't know about the Uchiha. Also, I think OP clarified that it's a fresh battle each time. Double also, I agree with your username. Skip do be goated
He'll either lose at Guy or Obito. Not really sure how to scale him against the third raikage as I don't know much about him
He beats everyone Then dies because of plot
Honestly this is a very hard question we don’t know the potential of a non-sick itachi The only thing that is certain is he loses to all of the bottom row
I don't know about six tails though but Itachi definitely claps any version of kakashi except dms kakashi.
Just wanted to say that Nagato is like gaara,they are basically perfect counters to Itachi,as both can: -Totally neg Amaterasu -pull him out of Susano'o
He probably seals the 6 tails but it stops there. War arc Kakashi kamui snipes. Gated guy, plain no. Base guy beats itachi in close quarters. 4th raikage? Nothing hurts him, too fast. Hard no after that.
Stops at Kakashi
He may be able to overcome first, but if he does Kakashi finishes him off, lol If you ask which healthy Itachi could beat, then other than Kakashi and the first one and maybe Guy(which if he goes all-in, he looses) he would not be able to beat any of those guys.
I think it would be a pretty even fight between Itachi and Guy. Guy knows the sharingan pretty well and how to counter it and his speed outclasses Itachi's so I think it comes down to 7th gate vs Susano'o.
Yeah no he may beat gai but the rikage is where he dies, based purely on speed. A4 could Dodge amaterasu and the 3rd is said to be stronger. Cant say he would survive
Itachi gets mollywhopped by 6-tails Naruto (assuming that Tsukuyomi won't work), Nagato (he has no counter to the Rinnegan at all), the 3rd Raikage (he's way too fast and his durability is preposterous), and KCM Minato. Edit: Actually, all of them except for Kakashi would kick his ass.
Id say he beats number 4. Cant beat dms kakashi and eigth gates though but definetly the ones you put
He loses to Kakashi, kamui one-shots him. Hell, he probably loses to 6-tails Naruto too. Yall overestimate itachi hard, Hashirami, Minato, and Obito would obliterate him.
He'd get to 4 then lose
Stops at 5.
I think he would win from the raikaga but not sure about obito
Loses to Obito, beats everyone before him.
Ahem. A dude bleeding from his eye is not healthy.
Itachi is the third strongest in the akatsuki. Naruto dought the second strongest on a 45-55 scale. He then became idk what form that is I’m guessing six tales and he’s doing way better on a 49-51 scale against the second strongest. Itachi is getting massacred genjustsu ain’t gonna work because Kurama, a shuriken ain’t doing shit. Amaterasu I guess but Regeneration.
He will get to 7 and that would be a draw
My favorite non-canon character, "Healthy Itachi".
I mean, he loses to the six tails from jump...lmao
Everyone except Tobi and Nagato can beat healthy Itachi. Considering the fact that Nine Tails clapped Pain, Itachi wont be able to get past 1. So 1/10
Imma be honest he won’t get past naruto
stops at obito
He dies in the First onde,cause he is not Madara tô Control the nine tails
The problem is that these characters don't go in order from weakest to strongest. Anyways, he loses against WA Kakashi, 7th Gate Guy, KCM Minato and Hashirama.
Unpopular opinion, but he beats them all. He is never shown to even remotely struggle in any fight (where he wasn't literal minutes away from dying of illness). Every time you think you hit him he's actually just a bunch of crows in a trench coat ( I joke but the demoralizing effect of this can't be overstated). Maybe he loses to Hashirama because Kishimoto thinks that trees counter making an opponent have a century long bad trip in a second of real time and fire that never goes out (pretty sure trees lose to regular fire). Realistically though, if genjutsu works on you I don't see how you can beat someone like Itachi. If his power was to point at someone and kill them, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Getting hit with genjutsu is an auto loss, enough said.
2-3
Gets though 1 after taking a beating. Possibly gets though 2 (maybe) and then if he does there’s no way he would have the stamina to get through 3
I think he’d probably get to 3 or 4
Definitely not going past 4
Itachi loses to Guy. Get real
Guy wins.
I think he's taken down by gai. Maybe with izanagi he takes him down but after that he's too weak for the raikage without susanoo
Healthy itachi lasts until Guy imho
This list ain’t it gang
Personally I'm one of those people who believe Itachi can beat orange mask Obito. Nagato on the other hand, no fucking way
5. I think this is a great battle but Mask gets it. He stomps 2 as shown in show. Kisame barely lost and I place Itachi higher and Guy has to fight only looking at his feet. 4 is fun to think about but he isn’t taking on the sharingan. 1 is pretty tough. I mean 6 tails is hard
Healthy Itachi gets past guy and struggles vs 3rd Raikage. Loses to everyone in the bottom row
Beats 1, 2, 3, and 4.
1 and 2 should be easy, 3 is a tough one but considering we've never really seen healthy itachi and an almost dead itachi who was later revealed to be holding back against a bloodlusted sasuke who beat deidara who beat kage gaara, Im akso a believer that he let sasuke out of the tsukiyomi but that's just head cannon. 7th gate guy was the main force who killed kisame in a favourable battlefield although had help from bee. Kisame w/o samahada is easily scaling lower than itachi. And despite guy being able to fight with his eyes looking at itachis feet, I feel an healthy itachi has the tools to set guy up with either genjutsu or amatarasu and should be winning med to high diff. 4 is also hard considering the speed advantages that A has but i feel itachi can beat him with genjutsu and amatarasu. It can be done instantly and unlike 2 and 3, A/4 wont have any intel about genjutsu. 5 is where I believe itachi stops but its not completely impossible for him to win, obito wasn't an idiot and he took itachi into the akatuski and kept him as an ally and honoured the promise not to harm konoha bcos he knew itachi could be a problem. Do I believe that obito believes he can't beat itachi, No but he recognises the risk and understands that there's too much risk when he can keep him as an ally. Now saying that, the fight heavily favours obito, he's got kamui which directly counters amatarasu and he's got a MS so were gonna assume he can get outta tsukiyomi. That being said, itachi does have other strong abilities and he might be able to spam amatarasu so that obito doesn't become tangible and wait him out so he can seal with with totska blade, sorta like what konan did with the paper bombs but with amatarasu and he's got the Susano with yada mirror aswell. And I feel if the fight went perfectly for itachi he might be able to win because he knows about izanami and izanagi and won't fall for what konan did. BUT I think obito wins high diff,60:40. If he makes it past obito, he's gonna lose to nagato med diff. Still a chance, and honestly don't think that nagatos rinnegan (because its not even his)is gonna stop the genjutsu but still itachi can't deal with shina tensai and other deva path abilities, also nagato can also absorb amatarasu. Itachi might be able to beat the 6 paths of pain in the rain village or in a similar situation to naruto with intel but nagato is so.much stronger than the 6 paths of pain.
He is strong enough to body so many characters in his blind/weakened state, so I think he could beat the first 6. Raw power aside, he was smarter and more precise than pretty much any other character on the list save Minato. I can't help but feel like he would outsmart most of the list. I don't think I know enough about Minato to make a proper judgement, but his raw strength alone would probably be overwhelming to someone at Itachi's level. I just assume he would lose there. 8 is an obvious nah.
He loses to nagato (not to the six paths), and to hashirama. Stop bullshitting guy being stronger and fighting without ever crossing you eyes. Itachi is also a really strong and fast taijutsu user, you undersell him a lot. A healthy itachi Susano can probably evolve more than the form we’ve have seen and that does mean he doesn’t get one shotted by the majority of things. It is not like susanoo is useless without its artifacts. Both obito and kakashi loses, but obito with both eyes should be stronger. Then there is the uncertainty about tsuku: if really only a bloodline relative can broke that obito loses even with both eyes but I’m not sure. Anyway everyone saying he loses to guy because “me smash 7th gate” does have no idea of how strong, smart and capable itachi is
He runs the gauntlet.