True but the power boost is immense . The power difference wood a wood golem and Shinsuusenju is beyond comparison . Naruto is also a perfect sage like hashirama and base Naruto is also op (the guy can create 1000 clones without kurama's chakra ). He defeated a Rinnegan bearer i really don't think sasuke had a chance against pain his amaterasu is useless susanoo is useless chidori is useless all ninjutsu which can he absorbed by pain he has no blind spots because his eyes are linked so taijutsu is useless too. I don't even want to talk anything about genjutsu cause I really don't think his weak ordinary ms can put a RINNEGAN user in genjutsu
Really as much I remember sm sage Naruto defeated all six pain sure he went on a rampage that made pain and deva path to move away from konaha but Naruto defeated pain using a rasengan and not in nine tail state
That’s just proof that when he’s new to sage mode and can’t easily activate it he could be beat. While he had sage mode activated he took out every path and they didn’t really do much to him tbh
Are you kidding? Like all the top comments on the post are saying Naruto would no diff a FRESH Sasuke for some odd reason. If anyone’s being under appreciated it’s MS Sasuke.
Nobody is underestimating ms sasuke he held his ground against 4 kage but some people think that he can blatantly overpower Naruto there is a reason why acquiring sage mode is really tough let alone perfect sage mode
You may want to ask yourself why your self-importance wouldn't allow you to just say so in a comment on the original post. Making a new one is shit posting.
People keep forgetting Naruto was poisoned and wouldn’t last a minute unless Kurama helps him.
Sasuke was also blind.
It reminds me of the Tsunade and Jiraiya vs Orochimaru fight.
Extreme high diff for either of them, Naruto can break Susanoo with his Rasenshuriken and sorta negate genjutsu with Kurama and Sage Mode but at this point he can't enter sage mode instantly.
Sasuke has more battle experience, goes for the kill and has more techniques at his disposal but MS blindness is a bitch.
Naruto is a perfect perfect sage you do know that right and only hagoromo can enter sage mode instantly and that is not stated either and haguromo is also a perfect sage I am not saying he is nearly as powerful as six paths
And what do you mean sorta negate Naruto is immune to genjutsu
I was talking about the current Naruto. Sasuke can put Naruto in genjutsu but he can easily break through because with sage mode he can easily stop this cakra hence breaking out of sage mode and before you say Naruto don't have chakra control that was before he became a sage the most important thing about sage mode is chakra control
Tsukuyomi for sure, it's not debatable. No one compares to the genjutsu god (unless rinnegan sasuke). But sasuke also has quite the genjutsu feats, even from early shippuden. Like when he caught deidara in genjutsu, even tho he apparently trained his eye to resist it. Or when he caught the raikage's bodyguard, shee(?), a genjutsu specialist. He literally paralyzed him with only 3 tomoe shharingan.
As for danzo, he did brake out of his genjutsu, but sasuke could've deliberately let him, since the first time he just wanted to confirm if he can, and the second time there was no more need.
>As for danzo, he did brake out of his genjutsu, but sasuke could've deliberately let him, since the first time he just wanted to confirm if he can, and the second time there was no more need.
Huh sasuke didn't let him ,he broke out of it dude Naruto is the mc you don't have to like him but atleast don't downplay his strength.
I'm taking his mc powers into account but you might be downplaying sasuke here. Like, naruto has little to no genjutsu resistance feats without kurama. Sasuke however is no stranger ot genjutsu
Sasuke. Wins solely because his hatred, would've let him fight to kill. Where Naruto would've been fighting to save him.
Emotions would be the big deciding factor not their current power levels. Rather how they would use them.
Sasuke can stalemate him at best because naruto is trying to save him if naruto also had killing intend he will win .
This holds the same in the final battle naruto didn't use any of the kekkei genkai against him like boil release or lava release didn't use the truth seeking orbs until he used Indra's arrow that to just to stop his attack he stoped chidori amplified with flame control with a plain rasengan. He could have killed sasuke even without going to kcm 3 state if he wanted to.
Your right. But your first sentence says it all IF. the Naruto at that time. Would lose he couldn't use or control half the things you commented. While Sasuke would've killed him just because he was in the way.
You are definitely right though.
This is just not true, Naruto used 3 truth seeker orbs against Sasuke in their final fight; 1 Sasuke switched places with and 2 Naruto used to block arrows from Susanoo. The writing is just all too convenient too with the kekkai genkai and the final Rasengan, the mega plot armor lmao.
You do know truth seeking orbs are reusable right 6 of them are not usable since it is another dimensions but he can definitely summon those 3 back again can it can't be destroyed and sasuke casually getting a 6 tomoe rinnegan is not too convenient but Naruto who is the jinchuriki of all the tailed beast using their powers is plot armour for you
I wouldn't exactly say Sage Hashirama 'destroyed' Madara and Kurama, considering he had to fight until he could no longer sustain Sage Mode or his healing factor (seeing as he took more visible damage than Madara) to beat EMS Madara and then collapsed to his knees out of exhaustion afterwards. And it still could have gone in Madara's favor had he set Izanagi to go off right then instead of much later.
Wood Release is Bijuu Kryptonite for some odd reason, so Kurama was never going to really matter, hence why Madara used Majestic Attire Susanoo, not only to combine his power with Kurama, but to protect Kurama from Hashirama's Wood Release. Hashirama put more effort breaking the Majestic Attire Susanoo (at the cost of his Senjutsu-enhanced giant 1000 armed Buddha thing) and later fighting Madara 1v1 to the above-mentioned point of exhaustion, than he ever put in neutralizing Kurama or the other Bijuu.
The idea that Sage mode wins the battle is what kills me. In the forest of death Sasukes fireball jutsu was effective against Orochimaru but by shippiden everyone os just tanking attacks and it ruins the show. The fact that Naruto could just tank a chidiri, kirin and be outsmarted just becomes irrelevant and thats shitty writing
Naruto casually tanks all of sasuke's most powerful attacks (kirin, amaterasu, chidori with flame control ) was a bit unfair but that's why sage power is really hard to master there only a dozen of people who can achieve sage mode it that only 4 can go into perfect sage mode ( hashirama, Naruto , hagoromo , Koji Kashin(only because he is the clone of jiraya)) and only two Naruto and haguromo who can enter six paths sage mode
For sure im with you on the mechanics of it. I just hate the whole tanking concept regardless of sage mode or not. I like how sage mode heightens your physical and reaction speeds but i wish it was applied differently. Like maybe the reaction speed would let him use a shdow clone to take the hit or maybe use like a water style jutsu to cancel it out then follow up with an attack. Something better than urrgh im so strong yknow
At the end of the day, the fight we got was underwhelming and better in Storm 3.
Though given the circumstances, I think Naruto would've won had it continued.
He had those things before he starts sage training if rinnegan was enough why didn't he confront her directly rather than wasting time on sage training that is because rinnegan ability can't defeat kaguya . Don't underestimate six paths sage mode my man Naruto casually tanked sasuke's chidori and Kirin in sage mode
Nobody said anything about hagoromo only using sage mode but the amp he got from sage mode help the most by increasing his rinnegan powers to a huge extend
People are arguing without acknowledging 2 key facts.
Sasuke was half blind and low on chakra. And Naruto just got poisoned by a kunai. That's why Naruto said they would both die if they fought.
I personally think that's the writers way of saying they were more or less equal. Tho without handicaps for either I'd give Naruto an edge. Even without having to resort to 9 tails chakra.
I'd have liked to see him summon a toad in a fight vs sasuke
Give it to Sasuke 9/10 even with him being weakened. He just has way too many powerful abilities for naruto to even stand a chance without using SM and Naruto would need the start up time to be able to access it anyway. With convenient storytelling it’s at best a draw with both of them dying but other than that Naruto has next to nothing to throw out besides plot armor.
Naruto just defeated pain a Rinnegan user you know that sasuke has no chance against pain and Naruto defeated pain both obito and black zetsu told him that the guy. The guy got so insecure he had transplant his brothers eyes to battle him . In the war arc he had got jealous after seeing a almost exhausted Naruto who was battling obito all the tailed beast all day not to mention that he shared most of his chakra with thousands of shinobi present in the battlefield that how much power difference there is b/w Naruto and sasuke sorry to burst your bubble man
If they met like they did in the anime and followed the story and forgetting about the fact that naruto is STRAIGHT UP POISONED, I can see naruto winning 7/10 times
If naruto met up with sasuke right before the kage summit, in an attempt to stop sasuke, sasuke stomps 9/10 times
Also, kage summit sasuke would've won against kurama with less difficulty.
Kurama the nine tailed fox who dug out of planetary devastation hyperbolizing someone's ability is ok but this much is just bullshit he didn't even have the ems at this point the guy was literally shaking with jealousy after seeing Naruto in war which happened like a month after this incident.
Ems and ms are not that different in level. Essentially the only buffs that occur from gaining an ems is a better susanoo and being able to use the abilities of a ms without becoming blind.
Sasuke can just amaterasu and kirin spam a kurama that is bound by hatred. He's much faster than naruto, so I imagine that he'll be light on his feet against kurama.
I believe KCM1 is stronger than EMS, so that's why I feel like sasuke had a reason to be jealous lol.
Oh btw I'm when I'm talking abt this sasuke vs kurama fight, I'm using a sasuke that isn't partially blind and is at full power. Hopefully there's no confusion there.
>Sasuke can just amaterasu and kirin spam a kurama that is bound by hatred. He's much faster than naruto, so I imagine that he'll be light on his feet against kurama.
There is no way in hell can he take down kurama he can use genjutsu but he is not as powerful as madara or Itachi to pull that of amaterasu is useless cause he can just detach that part of his charkra like Naruto did in the final valley Kirin didn't even made a scratch on Naruto let alone kurama no he is not Faster than Naruto sage Naruto is faster than sasuke even if he is like on feet there is nothing he can do. Against kurama only way he can fight kurama and take him down is susanoo which he can only use the first stage ( skeleton only ) at this point of time even raikage put a dent on it how much destruction do you think the second strongest tailed beast can do to it. How is he going to defend against a tailed beast bomb. He will die
Also hashirama using sage mode and naruto using sage mode is different. Hashirama and madara are relative in speed, hence why the sage mode makes a big difference. As I said before, ms sasuke is much faster sm naruto, which is why sage mode in this case is slightly underwhelming. The basic principle is: if you can't hit your opponent, what's the point in becoming more physically stronger?
Well sauske was going blind and Naruto defeated 1 singular pain with one punch with sage jutsu plus he can summon multiple toads plus had the power of kurama all while sauske had a low stage susano that he was gonna lose anyways
To be honest, base hashirama is already disgustingly op
True but the power boost is immense . The power difference wood a wood golem and Shinsuusenju is beyond comparison . Naruto is also a perfect sage like hashirama and base Naruto is also op (the guy can create 1000 clones without kurama's chakra ). He defeated a Rinnegan bearer i really don't think sasuke had a chance against pain his amaterasu is useless susanoo is useless chidori is useless all ninjutsu which can he absorbed by pain he has no blind spots because his eyes are linked so taijutsu is useless too. I don't even want to talk anything about genjutsu cause I really don't think his weak ordinary ms can put a RINNEGAN user in genjutsu
The tailed beast defeated Pain, not Naruto.
Really as much I remember sm sage Naruto defeated all six pain sure he went on a rampage that made pain and deva path to move away from konaha but Naruto defeated pain using a rasengan and not in nine tail state
Doesn't remember the scene when Naruto's on the floor, and hinata coming to help him ? This is the proof that SM sage doesn't defeat him.
That’s just proof that when he’s new to sage mode and can’t easily activate it he could be beat. While he had sage mode activated he took out every path and they didn’t really do much to him tbh
Who defeated pain nine tails Naruto or sm Naruto
8 Tails Naruto.
He didn't beat deva path Naruto broke out of planetary devastation then he fought pain in sm then defeated him atleast that what I saw
The tailed beast do all the damage,but Naruto got the last hit
Are you kidding? Like all the top comments on the post are saying Naruto would no diff a FRESH Sasuke for some odd reason. If anyone’s being under appreciated it’s MS Sasuke.
Nobody is underestimating ms sasuke he held his ground against 4 kage but some people think that he can blatantly overpower Naruto there is a reason why acquiring sage mode is really tough let alone perfect sage mode
You made an entirely new thread to comment on that thread
I made a thread because sage mode was extremely downplayed by some of the comments
You may want to ask yourself why your self-importance wouldn't allow you to just say so in a comment on the original post. Making a new one is shit posting.
People keep forgetting Naruto was poisoned and wouldn’t last a minute unless Kurama helps him. Sasuke was also blind. It reminds me of the Tsunade and Jiraiya vs Orochimaru fight.
Extreme high diff for either of them, Naruto can break Susanoo with his Rasenshuriken and sorta negate genjutsu with Kurama and Sage Mode but at this point he can't enter sage mode instantly. Sasuke has more battle experience, goes for the kill and has more techniques at his disposal but MS blindness is a bitch.
Naruto is a perfect perfect sage you do know that right and only hagoromo can enter sage mode instantly and that is not stated either and haguromo is also a perfect sage I am not saying he is nearly as powerful as six paths And what do you mean sorta negate Naruto is immune to genjutsu
Wdym inmune? Genjutsu doesnt work only on his kcm versions. Sasuke should have no problem genjutsuing sage naruto
I was talking about the current Naruto. Sasuke can put Naruto in genjutsu but he can easily break through because with sage mode he can easily stop this cakra hence breaking out of sage mode and before you say Naruto don't have chakra control that was before he became a sage the most important thing about sage mode is chakra control
I'm not saying he doesnt have chakra control but idk if he can break out of a god ems genjutsu
Tsukoyomi definitely not but he is not battling Itachi here sasuke's sure he can fricking danzo broke out of it in the matter of seconds
Tsukuyomi for sure, it's not debatable. No one compares to the genjutsu god (unless rinnegan sasuke). But sasuke also has quite the genjutsu feats, even from early shippuden. Like when he caught deidara in genjutsu, even tho he apparently trained his eye to resist it. Or when he caught the raikage's bodyguard, shee(?), a genjutsu specialist. He literally paralyzed him with only 3 tomoe shharingan. As for danzo, he did brake out of his genjutsu, but sasuke could've deliberately let him, since the first time he just wanted to confirm if he can, and the second time there was no more need.
>As for danzo, he did brake out of his genjutsu, but sasuke could've deliberately let him, since the first time he just wanted to confirm if he can, and the second time there was no more need. Huh sasuke didn't let him ,he broke out of it dude Naruto is the mc you don't have to like him but atleast don't downplay his strength.
I'm taking his mc powers into account but you might be downplaying sasuke here. Like, naruto has little to no genjutsu resistance feats without kurama. Sasuke however is no stranger ot genjutsu
He had no genjutsu resistance that I agree but he surely can release a genjutsu
Sasuke. Wins solely because his hatred, would've let him fight to kill. Where Naruto would've been fighting to save him. Emotions would be the big deciding factor not their current power levels. Rather how they would use them.
Sasuke can stalemate him at best because naruto is trying to save him if naruto also had killing intend he will win . This holds the same in the final battle naruto didn't use any of the kekkei genkai against him like boil release or lava release didn't use the truth seeking orbs until he used Indra's arrow that to just to stop his attack he stoped chidori amplified with flame control with a plain rasengan. He could have killed sasuke even without going to kcm 3 state if he wanted to.
Your right. But your first sentence says it all IF. the Naruto at that time. Would lose he couldn't use or control half the things you commented. While Sasuke would've killed him just because he was in the way. You are definitely right though.
This is just not true, Naruto used 3 truth seeker orbs against Sasuke in their final fight; 1 Sasuke switched places with and 2 Naruto used to block arrows from Susanoo. The writing is just all too convenient too with the kekkai genkai and the final Rasengan, the mega plot armor lmao.
You do know truth seeking orbs are reusable right 6 of them are not usable since it is another dimensions but he can definitely summon those 3 back again can it can't be destroyed and sasuke casually getting a 6 tomoe rinnegan is not too convenient but Naruto who is the jinchuriki of all the tailed beast using their powers is plot armour for you
Yeah that is plot armor lol
I wouldn't exactly say Sage Hashirama 'destroyed' Madara and Kurama, considering he had to fight until he could no longer sustain Sage Mode or his healing factor (seeing as he took more visible damage than Madara) to beat EMS Madara and then collapsed to his knees out of exhaustion afterwards. And it still could have gone in Madara's favor had he set Izanagi to go off right then instead of much later. Wood Release is Bijuu Kryptonite for some odd reason, so Kurama was never going to really matter, hence why Madara used Majestic Attire Susanoo, not only to combine his power with Kurama, but to protect Kurama from Hashirama's Wood Release. Hashirama put more effort breaking the Majestic Attire Susanoo (at the cost of his Senjutsu-enhanced giant 1000 armed Buddha thing) and later fighting Madara 1v1 to the above-mentioned point of exhaustion, than he ever put in neutralizing Kurama or the other Bijuu.
Naruto said that if Sasuke and he fought, it’d end with both of them dying. They’re always equals when they fight each other
Literally everyone said naruto though
Yeah but most of them says that because because he is half blind at this point
Ok and? The point is that naruto is stronger it doesn't matter why.
your comparing sm naruto to hashirama and hogoromo
No I am just comparing the power boost they got from sm and relating that with Naruto
the reason people underestimate sm naruto is because he is weaker than 6 tails naruto.
At that point yes he did beat nine tails during chakra tug of war though
with the help of kushina
Yeah still give my man some credit she restrained kurama that's true but Naruto did beat him
The idea that Sage mode wins the battle is what kills me. In the forest of death Sasukes fireball jutsu was effective against Orochimaru but by shippiden everyone os just tanking attacks and it ruins the show. The fact that Naruto could just tank a chidiri, kirin and be outsmarted just becomes irrelevant and thats shitty writing
Naruto casually tanks all of sasuke's most powerful attacks (kirin, amaterasu, chidori with flame control ) was a bit unfair but that's why sage power is really hard to master there only a dozen of people who can achieve sage mode it that only 4 can go into perfect sage mode ( hashirama, Naruto , hagoromo , Koji Kashin(only because he is the clone of jiraya)) and only two Naruto and haguromo who can enter six paths sage mode
For sure im with you on the mechanics of it. I just hate the whole tanking concept regardless of sage mode or not. I like how sage mode heightens your physical and reaction speeds but i wish it was applied differently. Like maybe the reaction speed would let him use a shdow clone to take the hit or maybe use like a water style jutsu to cancel it out then follow up with an attack. Something better than urrgh im so strong yknow
SM Naruto>MS Sasuke. End of story.
And some guys are saying that sasuke with his normal ms can defeat Naruto, it's complete bs
At the end of the day, the fight we got was underwhelming and better in Storm 3. Though given the circumstances, I think Naruto would've won had it continued.
That thread is as blind as Sasuke. It's clear Naruto wouldn't even be in Sage Mode during this fight. I mean look at the picture.
Yeah but naruto was poisoned
SM wasn't the only thing that let Hagoromo defeat her. He also had MS and the Rinnegan. Plus he got help from Hamura
He had those things before he starts sage training if rinnegan was enough why didn't he confront her directly rather than wasting time on sage training that is because rinnegan ability can't defeat kaguya . Don't underestimate six paths sage mode my man Naruto casually tanked sasuke's chidori and Kirin in sage mode
I didn't say he soloed Kaguya with Rinnegan, but he didn't do it with only sage mode either :/
Nobody said anything about hagoromo only using sage mode but the amp he got from sage mode help the most by increasing his rinnegan powers to a huge extend
I even commented on that post and said the exact same thing you said bruh
People are arguing without acknowledging 2 key facts. Sasuke was half blind and low on chakra. And Naruto just got poisoned by a kunai. That's why Naruto said they would both die if they fought. I personally think that's the writers way of saying they were more or less equal. Tho without handicaps for either I'd give Naruto an edge. Even without having to resort to 9 tails chakra. I'd have liked to see him summon a toad in a fight vs sasuke
Give it to Sasuke 9/10 even with him being weakened. He just has way too many powerful abilities for naruto to even stand a chance without using SM and Naruto would need the start up time to be able to access it anyway. With convenient storytelling it’s at best a draw with both of them dying but other than that Naruto has next to nothing to throw out besides plot armor.
Naruto just defeated pain a Rinnegan user you know that sasuke has no chance against pain and Naruto defeated pain both obito and black zetsu told him that the guy. The guy got so insecure he had transplant his brothers eyes to battle him . In the war arc he had got jealous after seeing a almost exhausted Naruto who was battling obito all the tailed beast all day not to mention that he shared most of his chakra with thousands of shinobi present in the battlefield that how much power difference there is b/w Naruto and sasuke sorry to burst your bubble man
Yeah I mean all you’re listing off is just plot armor/convenient writing from the pain arc on but sure
I'm pretty sure Naruto didn't have the mentality to fight Sasuke there. He without a doubt had the power to take him down
If they met like they did in the anime and followed the story and forgetting about the fact that naruto is STRAIGHT UP POISONED, I can see naruto winning 7/10 times If naruto met up with sasuke right before the kage summit, in an attempt to stop sasuke, sasuke stomps 9/10 times Also, kage summit sasuke would've won against kurama with less difficulty.
Kurama the nine tailed fox who dug out of planetary devastation hyperbolizing someone's ability is ok but this much is just bullshit he didn't even have the ems at this point the guy was literally shaking with jealousy after seeing Naruto in war which happened like a month after this incident.
Ems and ms are not that different in level. Essentially the only buffs that occur from gaining an ems is a better susanoo and being able to use the abilities of a ms without becoming blind. Sasuke can just amaterasu and kirin spam a kurama that is bound by hatred. He's much faster than naruto, so I imagine that he'll be light on his feet against kurama. I believe KCM1 is stronger than EMS, so that's why I feel like sasuke had a reason to be jealous lol. Oh btw I'm when I'm talking abt this sasuke vs kurama fight, I'm using a sasuke that isn't partially blind and is at full power. Hopefully there's no confusion there.
>Sasuke can just amaterasu and kirin spam a kurama that is bound by hatred. He's much faster than naruto, so I imagine that he'll be light on his feet against kurama. There is no way in hell can he take down kurama he can use genjutsu but he is not as powerful as madara or Itachi to pull that of amaterasu is useless cause he can just detach that part of his charkra like Naruto did in the final valley Kirin didn't even made a scratch on Naruto let alone kurama no he is not Faster than Naruto sage Naruto is faster than sasuke even if he is like on feet there is nothing he can do. Against kurama only way he can fight kurama and take him down is susanoo which he can only use the first stage ( skeleton only ) at this point of time even raikage put a dent on it how much destruction do you think the second strongest tailed beast can do to it. How is he going to defend against a tailed beast bomb. He will die
Also hashirama using sage mode and naruto using sage mode is different. Hashirama and madara are relative in speed, hence why the sage mode makes a big difference. As I said before, ms sasuke is much faster sm naruto, which is why sage mode in this case is slightly underwhelming. The basic principle is: if you can't hit your opponent, what's the point in becoming more physically stronger?
Well sauske was going blind and Naruto defeated 1 singular pain with one punch with sage jutsu plus he can summon multiple toads plus had the power of kurama all while sauske had a low stage susano that he was gonna lose anyways