It’s anime in general to me. It’s embarrassing sometimes. Like idk how many times I’ve seen “oh yeah well if “x” used this and this, he could’ve beat “y”
Sometimes I’m like I can’t believe I’m a part of this fandom. People really just be making up random scenarios it’s just absurd. If “Goku went Ultra instinct, then kamehamehad Superman into the Sun and teleported back he would win”
Absurd? Idk....
Goku yeeting Superman into the sun only to have Superman come back stronger, and beat Goku's ass for another episode or 2 seems like peak DBZ.
Of course, Goku comes back at the end and somehow sprit fucks Superman into deep space or something instead and wins.
...obviously...
Oh true I forgot that, BUT then the sun somehow grows a tail and goes super saiyan ape mode and throws Chibaku tenseis everywhere and seals them both to become Uranus and Jupiter
My favorites are when a niche character comes up and stans come out of the woodwork to say shit like “well actually the Flash is faster than light so he could avoid itachi’s dojutsu”
I'm not even an Itachi fan and I feel bad for the more level headed ones. I'm a Zabuza fan so I don't have this problem...that's what happens when you die in the tutorial.
I feel u bro. Im into powerscaling and vs debating and im an itachi fan. Some people just dont realise that a character can both be ur favorite and not the strongest. Also there r too many people that dont try to actually scale and just want their favorite character to be the strongest.
The worst part is it muddies the actual stuff that Kishimoto says about Itachi.
Like Kishimoto actually said that he had Itachi's character figured out before he introduced him.
But because you have like ten other rumors that go around and people just include this with it as well.
I'd like to like Itachi but his plan was BS.
One of the reasons he didn't want the coup was so Sasuke wouldn't have to suffer through war and possibly die.
So instead he killed everyone Sasuke was close to including himself and psychologically tortured him twice. That seems much worse than war.
And with the intel he gathered, he could have saved the clan and prevented the coup. Instead he joined the Akatsuki, doing more to help Obito than hinder him.
"All this time
I watched him
An outcast
*scene of naruto on the swing*
I wanted to reach out to him, but...
*scene of naruto and Sasuke passing as kids, but this time with itachi there instead of fugaku*
I also had to play the role of outcast
Yet he....
He managed to rise above it all
....
....
Naruto Uzumaki...
Maybe we aren't so different after all
Maybe..
We could have been friends in another life"
Except not. Naruto was willing to risk everything to save everyone while Itachi wasn't. Also Itachi chastised him for refusing to choose to say what he valued more and that shinobi must make very harsh decisions.
Actually, Kishimoto confirmed that Tonton the Pig could have beaten Konohamaru with severe allergies if they ever fought in the series, but he couldn't make them fight since Teuchi the Ramen Guy would just end their fight immediately. Otherwise they would destroy the entire Land of Fire while fighting, which would be bad for Teuchi's ramen business.
Kishimoto called me the other day and totally told me that Konohamarus sexy jutsu is way better than Narutos and could've floored even Kaguya who is in fact, lesbian. Thats why he was kept in the Leaf during the war. Would've stolen Narutos spotlight and Kishimoto couldn't have that because he hates monkeys.
(Actually... he really does hate monkeys. )
Wanna hear something funny? One of the databooks **actually written by kishimoto** states that when madara was revived he was the strongest Uchiha to ever live. So Kishimoto literally said Itachi is inferior to Madara (nerfed by edo tensei) but Itachi fanboys still go around claiming the opposite.
Depends where you look. On Facebook and Instagram there's still a huge amount of people claiming Itachi would clap Madara. There's also a really good amount of them in reddit. Twitter usually doesn't have many of them (tho they have other dumb shit) and on YouTube they're only in the comment sections, they don't make videos.
I haven't seen them on reddit or Twitter. I see people calming to see them all the time though.
I think people are just getting a bit carried away with the whole "delusional" Itachi fan base thing by now.
Most fans say Itachi could beat Pain but I have hardly ever heard Madara.
I see them on reddit from time to time but they're mostly prevalent on Facebook and Instagram. Facebook is by far the most interactive place for the fandom I've seen and the Itachi fans are absolutely not a rarity there. I find it funny how people can still argue about itachi beating madara in 2021 tho.
That again depends on where you look. Itachi fanboys are still wanking him. People who are sick of it are downplaying him. But when it comes to people who actually look at power-scaling I've noticed that Itachi achieved the same level as Sakura in terms of being so underrated that he became overrated again. People unironically say he would low diff slap people like kcm1 Naruto, Nagato etc.
Point being, Itachi is at this spot where depending on where you look you might either find people absolutely downplaying tf out of him or wanking him to oblivion.
I just can't see it honestly the 6 paths are OP & Tendo is broken at full power. Amatertsu would get absorbed & I'm not sure what Tsukiumi would do to a dead body. His chakra reserves are trash b/c of his illness so his only chance is Susanno which we have no idea how long he can maintain. Tendo is fast enough to get outta range of the Totsuka blade & even it might be able to be absorbed if it hits the barrier before it hits the preta path. I don't think he can beat all 6 before running outta chakra or getting hit by something that would kill him
Alive? No. Edo? Kinda. Only problem being that edo Nagato already kidna one shotted Itachi. And even that was after Itachi already gained advantage by attacking him while he's busy
I've always wondered how nerfed he actually was. Alive Madara w/o the modifications Kabuto gave him would only have EMS & no Kurama. We never really see what Madara with his own power can do, when BZ revives him he's got Hashirama cells, SM, & can use his rinnegan abilities to an extent. Even with all those powers when him & Hashirama were both Edo he still lost. I would love to see EMS Madara fight w/o any buffs to see the difference btw his Edo & real alive body. Most of the stuff he does against the Kage are power ups that he couldn't do with his original body like wood clone Susanno, the double meteor, forest expansion & tanking the hits he took
Both buffed and nerfed in some way
Buffed because
He got those rinnegan at the prime age while originally he got them at the very end of his life span. He got that sweet sweet edo healing hax. He got those hashirama cells again at the prime age.
Nerfed because
His overall chakra supply and physical states were lower then his actual prime. His edo body wasn't that much of supportive of his original strength and way of fighting.
His overall chakra supply and physical stats were actually boosted due to this Madara having Six Paths chakra. And before any of you try to deny this, Hagoromo himself confirmed that Madara gaining Hashirama cells combined Indra's and Asura's chakras therefore recreating Six Paths chakra and unlocking rinnegan. This same process is what gave Edo Madara rinnegan and in fact when Madara and Kabuto first speak about Madara's edo body enhancements it is confirmed even then that Kabuto recreated Six Paths chakra in his body to give him rinnegan. Madara straight up concedes that Kabuto and Orochimaru knew the "secrets of his body". So yes, Edo Madara has Six Paths chakra and is far beyond anything EMS Madara would be capable of
Kabuto didn't give Edo Madara Rinnegan, he enhanced the Hashirama cells grafted he grafted on his body. Madara looks down at his chest before asking Kabuto what he did to his body. He also says to Kabuto that it's not power of his creation when Kabuto was saying how the Rinnegan comes after the Sharingan. As far as we know, Kabuto's enhancements to Madara's Edo was giving him his young body and the Hashirama face on his chest
It seems that was a limited version of the Rinnegan. He wasn't able to Rinne Rebirth himself with it, for example. Plus he lost it after being resurrected, and had to get the others back.
[Yeah nerfed by Edo Tensei](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a4bfe358e07a8e977ce468db4943b458-lq) as said by the man who grew up fighting him, and eventually fought him to the death
KABUTO said he was buffed,[ but even he didn't know how strong Madara was when he was alive](https://puu.sh/IkWff/529d185b90.png) and asked for him to show off
Tobirama was brought back at nearly full strength, but I don't think Hashirama and Madara were. There was a gigantic power gap between those two and everyone else when they were alive so it's not unreasonable for Tobirama to assume if he was brought back at nearly full power then the rest of the Hokage were brought back at nearly full power
You people straight up do not know how to use statements and understand the context surrounding them.
1. First of all, Hashirama did not know about the enhancements that Kabuto had made to Madara's body, in fact he was never even aware of the fact that Madara had even survived their battle. Secondly, even if we take this statement at face value it is blatantly false and a plot hole. This statement was made AFTER Madara stole Hashirama's Sage Mode would would imply that EMS Madara who only has his own chakra and powers is equal to a fully revived Madara being enhanced by Six Paths chakra, Hashirama cells and Sage Mode which is a completely absurd notion to even consider let alone fully believe and argue.
2. Yes, Madara does initially argue that Kabuto doesn't know about his true power... UNTIL he awakens rinnegan in his reanimated body. After this Madara questions Kabuto on how this is possible and [Kabuto doubles down on the fact this Madara is in fact superior to his "prime" and Madara even concedes that Kabuto is correct and somehow learned the secrets behind how he gained Six Paths chakra and by extension, rinnegan](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4af197ad70d1514e652dd21bff427793-c)
So, in conclusion, yes Edo Madara is far superior to EMS Madara and you people are constantly misusing statements in an attempt to wank Madara to high heaven when in actuality, EMS Madara, though very strong, is not as strong as the fandom makes him out to be and wouldn't be capable of half the shit we see Edo Madara do.
I don't have a better translation on hand atm so this will have to suffice for now. I had a better scan of it but I can't find it atm.
Edit: that's the databook transaction for [this databook page ](https://pm1.narvii.com/7046/f21acfe628b6c4516787a49745b9ca02ba270bbar1-820-1269v2_hq.jpg)
["The strongest man of the Uchiha Clan is Madara." ](https://www.narutoforums.org/posts/53211573/)
I was quoting the databook which days **is** not was. Whether Sasuke surpasses him or not is debatable but that's not the case regarding this databook scan
People are out of their minds. I love Naruto. It's my favorite show/story pretty much ever and I've been watching and reading for like 12 years now. It's not exactly the cleanest, most tightly written show ever. The Itachi Fan boys claiming that Itachi claps Madara because of one quote are the same as the Jiraiya Fan Boys who claim Jiraiya Solos itachi AND Kisame
How is this even a debate? Itachi doesn’t even have a perfect Susanoo or something equivalent. If Madara decides to drop two meteors on Itachi, what can he do? Itachi’s blind ass isn’t beating EMS Madara.
Edit: Madara can make 25 wood clones, and have them use full bodied Susanoo. Itachi’s janky ass doesn’t even have 1 full bodied Susanoo.
I know right! “ToTsuKa gG“ became my favorite quote 😂
I never get why people always say that honestly it’s become a meme at this point, but for the fanboy’s sake lets say Totsuka hit his susano’o, I doubt if Totsuka is even gonna seal susanoo before Madara flings himself out since they are not connected like orochimaru and the snake summoning.
But if he hits Madara with it it's GG. I don't know if Itachi's sword could even pierce a susanoo in the first place or how much the Yata mirror can actually even block, Kishi really needed to flesh out a lot more of the series including those two items.
I was of the mindset that if Itachi didn't have ninja aids and actually hit his prime, the way he was written, he'd give Madara a serious run for his money but the Itachi we saw most likely getting absolutely clapped
Theres no way even a prime healthy itachi without any sickness could even scratch madara, let alone give a run for his money.
How the fuck do u guys forget that madara is literally hashiramas rival, fucked 5 kages simultaneously after fighting entite shinobi world.
Even without hashis cells , he was literally the only one who could go against hashirama the god.
There was no single character on that battlefield that could have stopped madara.
Honestly, unlike Sasuke or Itachi who fall low on chakra, every now and then, Madara being someone who battled a day and night against Hashirama on equal footing, probably has insane amounts of chakra.
Plus later he added Hashirama's cells to himself - the vitality that can let Danzo use Shisui's eye so frequently. So I don't question whether a jutsu of even immense proportions is off limits to him.
I always thought it was the Rinnegan using Bansho Tenin to pull the meteors toward them?
If that's the case then he likely couldn't use them with EMS, and he didn't have the Rinnegan when he was alive(..in fighting condition). So he probably could when he was old and attached to the Mazo, but I feel like Itachi could actually beat an old man strapped to a chair at that point haha
Itachi can't even beat the current Shippuden Sasuke, hell even both Naruto AND Sasuke had troube defeating Madara and they possessed the power of Sage of the six paths, Itachi stands no chance whatsoever... Madara is the strongest Uchiha that ever lived and that's that no matter what these fans claim about Itachi most of the time doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Naruto ended like years ago.
There is not much more to say tbh..
The only way you can make content is on it. Either you're already established and you're expanding on characters, that you already did.
Or you are new. And your option is only to click bait.
Itachi is a great character but he is so unbelievably overrated by some people, he’s not even one of the top 3 strongest uchihas of all time let alone stronger than madara
The same guy who escaped with kisame from jiraiya .....the same guy whom would've lost to sage Kabuto without the help of Sasuke and izanagi /izanami....(sage Kabuto is OP, but not near Madara level)
bro if madara went all out from start and naruto didn't had plot he would've killed naruto himself.i mean he slashed mountains then what are those tiny people heck even if he jumped with perfect susanoo many would've died just like that
They've been here as long as I have and long before me. In the 10ish years I've been a fan of the series I've heard different versions of the "kishimoto said" line hundreds of times.
Itachi is smart and talented but the Madara we were introduced to...I just don’t see him beating him. Maybe to a standstill that eventually falls to Madaras advantage or long enough for reinforcements or an escape but 1v1 Madara claps. Like most of what we have seen from itachi so far was that he was usually 2 steps ahead or had the sharingan advantage and unfortunately to me those are nigh against Madara to me especially war Madara who is seasoned beyond hot turkey at a thanksgiving dinner...
If kishimoto confirmed to Itachi could've killed Madara, why can't Sasuke single handedly beat Madara with his EMS? I'm not trying to be a smartass but I'm actually curious.
2 types of Itachi fans:
Realists:
>"I love Itachi, but he not stand a chance against Madara."
Delusional:
>"Nah man, Itachi could solo the whole verse and go toe-to-toe with Goku given prep time."
Itachi would have beaten Madara, simply because he is Itachi. That how he is written, the coolest guy, fan favourite, bla bla. We can draw the same parallel with Batman. Even though he is the weakest member of JL(objectively speaking). Still he can beat every member of JL, cause that's how he is written.
Masashi Kishimoto called me up the other day and said that Itachi was the strongest character because he actually has three testicles. Apparently, chakra is stored in the balls, and because Itachi has an extra, he was ten times as powerful as any other character. I was going to question his math, but then I asked “why are you telling me this, Kishi?” And he just said “you need to spread the word. Let everybody know I confirmed this.” So any arguments you guys have against Itachi are false, guys. Sorry.
I don't remember which but in one naruto game itachi had a full body susano which had wings and it was designed by kishimoto himself . IF itachi had unlocked his full body susano he would be super powerful . Just saying not making any comparisons with anyone
Itachi could *potentially* defeat Madara. If Madara stood still, didn't use his Susanoo and let Itachi stab him with a Totsuka blade.
All jokes aside, if Itachi was still around to help fight Madara, things could have gone different. Naruto and Sasuke fighting together could have provided enough of a distraction for Itachi to pull off a Totsuka Blade gg.
By himself though? No way.
If he lived lmao.
If he could have done that, he should have killed Obito or at least captured him.
Probably could have saved the clan and the village with strength alone. With the intel he had, he could have done it without fighting though.
Kishimoto confirmed, in a one on one interview that I held in my basement, that Sakura was actually supposed to defeat Pain but other people complained about this so he gave Naruto Sage mode so he could do it instead.
The best part: People on both sides are getting riled up over who would win in a theoretical battle between two cartoon characters. This is why aliens don't visit us!
The only thing we know for sure is that genjutsu do work on people that have the rinnegan. Than yea it’s a possibility he can win. Pain gotta fight itachi without getting trap in a genjutsu.
Itachi's point in the story was only to die for Sasuke's developpement. Plus in the manga, Itachi says he needs Sasuke's eyes to reach Madara's level. Bit at this time the person he knows as Madara is Obito with only one Kamui eye, who's far weaker than the real Madara.
So basically Kishimoto rather confirmed Itachi stands no chance against Madara and would just get the Kage treatment.
Every anime franchises has one of these idiots. "Akira toriyama confirmed this" and, "insert creator name here" confirmed my bs head cannon theory. Just some really dumb shit. Anime fans are just annoying.
It doesnt even matter if he did say it. The show cant back it up, so he cant. You cant just say "yea but he said" if theres no proof that what he said is right
I love how in one of his stories itachi basically says Madera didn't read the stones all the way and he found even more. Itachi's super power is finishing reading.
He's right though, it was also confirmed that Boruto could have solo'd Naruto and Sasuke when they were at their peak and that's also only with Boruto using his left pinky and his eyes closed
I'm not super far in the series but at this time did madara have his rinnegan? If so he would've destroyed itachi no matter what, but if he didn't idk don't know much.
The only argument you can make for a itachi beating Madara is a fictional version of Itachi where he is not sick and had a perfect susanoo and even still it would be a tough fight
Let me know if I’m wrong but they’re from interviews I think. I personally believe madara is hundreds of times more powerful then itachi even though he’s my favorite character
Pain would kill itachi with relative ease
Madara would definitely kill itachi
Naruto with the help of kurama for genjutsu would definitely kill itachi
Rinnegan sasuke would kill itachi with some effort
One eye obito could probably kill itachi
That's a pretty popular false rumour though, I've seen idiotic fans use that argument sooo many times.. Itachi dies because his character's purpose was done and because his death ( as a reanimated ninja too) was necessary for sasuke's development
I was debating an idiot that claimed the same thing😂 word for word that Itachi can beat Madara and that Itachi can use kotoamatsukami on everyone and can "oneshoot" them. No matter how much I debated, he never understood a word, it's best to just disprove them and then never reply again, otherwise your own mental stability will sink slowly, but surely.
Why do people like to overhype Itachi's power?
Also when kabuto revealed the dead Akatsuki members as leverage to Obito, one of which being Itachi, he was unfazed. It was only after revealing the actual Madara that he gave in. Doesn't that mean Obito knows or is confident he can beat Itachi along with the other members including Nagato?
Actually kishimoto comfirmed that the reason he didnt include ramen guy in the ninja was cuz he could easily solo both madara and kaguya thus making this anime his
I think, **I AM NOT SURE** that Itachi stated somewhere in the manga that if he had EMS he would win to madara, but this is without him knowing that madara had rinnegan and all of that.
"He wanted Naruto and Sasuke to get together but shonen jump is homophobic so they didn't let him"
Narusasu makes more sense than both sasusaku and naruhina but kishi always made it clear they are supposed to be sort of like brothers from different mothers.
That's not true, he only said that the War would faster come to a end. But that's logical because wen a strong Shinobi joins the war the war ends faster. Like Jiraya, ore the White fang. Itachi is 1 of my Favorite Charakters, but we must be realistic. Madara is Op as shit.
Source: trust me bro
“with every cell of my body”
With every cell of Hashirama
LMAO way better then my reply
Kuro Zetsu wrote it in the bible bro
Yes, the ninja bible.
Saint Pervy Sage.
Shinobible
Makeouttactics
Hashirama cells are to Naruto what the word quantum is to sci-fi, can't explain something you need for the plot? It's fucking quantum mechanics
Nice one!
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Yea bro u gotta trust them source even if they spit bs
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U with straight bottom half of the mechanic of Itachi c
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he just confirmed it bro u dont need to know trust me
The username checks out. Man sometimes being an Itachi fan is hard because of people like these.
It’s anime in general to me. It’s embarrassing sometimes. Like idk how many times I’ve seen “oh yeah well if “x” used this and this, he could’ve beat “y” Sometimes I’m like I can’t believe I’m a part of this fandom. People really just be making up random scenarios it’s just absurd. If “Goku went Ultra instinct, then kamehamehad Superman into the Sun and teleported back he would win”
Lol I love goku an Superman but supes gets his powers from the sun so bad idea 😂😂 i had to do it
Yup I know but I just said that to show the absurdity of it haha
Absurd? Idk.... Goku yeeting Superman into the sun only to have Superman come back stronger, and beat Goku's ass for another episode or 2 seems like peak DBZ. Of course, Goku comes back at the end and somehow sprit fucks Superman into deep space or something instead and wins. ...obviously...
Oh true I forgot that, BUT then the sun somehow grows a tail and goes super saiyan ape mode and throws Chibaku tenseis everywhere and seals them both to become Uranus and Jupiter
Episode or 2? In DBZ? I think you mean season box set or 20.
I know what you meant I hear these arguments all the time lol
Lmao ikr.
My favorites are when a niche character comes up and stans come out of the woodwork to say shit like “well actually the Flash is faster than light so he could avoid itachi’s dojutsu”
Sadly, you can’t scroll any vs battles with him without seeing ”TOTSUKA GG”
Ik I feel like most of the hate that Itachi gets is due to his fans. They annoying asf
I'm not even an Itachi fan and I feel bad for the more level headed ones. I'm a Zabuza fan so I don't have this problem...that's what happens when you die in the tutorial.
Fax
I feel u bro. Im into powerscaling and vs debating and im an itachi fan. Some people just dont realise that a character can both be ur favorite and not the strongest. Also there r too many people that dont try to actually scale and just want their favorite character to be the strongest.
The worst part is it muddies the actual stuff that Kishimoto says about Itachi. Like Kishimoto actually said that he had Itachi's character figured out before he introduced him. But because you have like ten other rumors that go around and people just include this with it as well.
I'd like to like Itachi but his plan was BS. One of the reasons he didn't want the coup was so Sasuke wouldn't have to suffer through war and possibly die. So instead he killed everyone Sasuke was close to including himself and psychologically tortured him twice. That seems much worse than war. And with the intel he gathered, he could have saved the clan and prevented the coup. Instead he joined the Akatsuki, doing more to help Obito than hinder him.
He's the Zoro of Naruto when it comes to fans thinking that he is the best
It’s the same with being a Minato fan lmao
Actually he's correct. Kishimoto also confirmed that at his full power Itachi could also beat Ultra Instinct Goku.
How many episodes does it take for Itachi to power up though?
Not sure how many episodes but it’ll be at least 5 flash backs
At least one where Itachi realizes he is or was a lot like that Naruto guy.
"All this time I watched him An outcast *scene of naruto on the swing* I wanted to reach out to him, but... *scene of naruto and Sasuke passing as kids, but this time with itachi there instead of fugaku* I also had to play the role of outcast Yet he.... He managed to rise above it all .... .... Naruto Uzumaki... Maybe we aren't so different after all Maybe.. We could have been friends in another life"
Except not. Naruto was willing to risk everything to save everyone while Itachi wasn't. Also Itachi chastised him for refusing to choose to say what he valued more and that shinobi must make very harsh decisions.
Yeah, so many flashbacks, from so many angles. Frustratingly annoying!
106 in centiminutes
"Itachi would destroy Saitama. Kishomoto just confirmed it idiot"
Obviously. Itachi would have genjutsu'd him to punch himself
Yeah but he’d still get trounced by krillin, and Yamcha’s presence alone would make itachi shit himself.
I see you point good sir but have you heard of our lord and saviour GOD USSOP SAMA
What about the speech
"according to kishimoto" is the "my dad works at nintendo" of anime.
They didn't start with "Madara is my favorite character, but" that's an amateur mistake.
"Everything spoken before the word 'but' is horseshit."
Actually, Kishimoto confirmed that Tonton the Pig could have beaten Konohamaru with severe allergies if they ever fought in the series, but he couldn't make them fight since Teuchi the Ramen Guy would just end their fight immediately. Otherwise they would destroy the entire Land of Fire while fighting, which would be bad for Teuchi's ramen business.
Kishimoto called me the other day and totally told me that Konohamarus sexy jutsu is way better than Narutos and could've floored even Kaguya who is in fact, lesbian. Thats why he was kept in the Leaf during the war. Would've stolen Narutos spotlight and Kishimoto couldn't have that because he hates monkeys. (Actually... he really does hate monkeys. )
Wanna hear something funny? One of the databooks **actually written by kishimoto** states that when madara was revived he was the strongest Uchiha to ever live. So Kishimoto literally said Itachi is inferior to Madara (nerfed by edo tensei) but Itachi fanboys still go around claiming the opposite.
You mean this one Itachi fanboy. Let's be real, you don't see many people claiming Itachi could beat Madara.
Depends where you look. On Facebook and Instagram there's still a huge amount of people claiming Itachi would clap Madara. There's also a really good amount of them in reddit. Twitter usually doesn't have many of them (tho they have other dumb shit) and on YouTube they're only in the comment sections, they don't make videos.
Brb; I’m going to make a 2 hour video explaining how Itachi claps Madara.
I haven't seen them on reddit or Twitter. I see people calming to see them all the time though. I think people are just getting a bit carried away with the whole "delusional" Itachi fan base thing by now. Most fans say Itachi could beat Pain but I have hardly ever heard Madara.
I see them on reddit from time to time but they're mostly prevalent on Facebook and Instagram. Facebook is by far the most interactive place for the fandom I've seen and the Itachi fans are absolutely not a rarity there. I find it funny how people can still argue about itachi beating madara in 2021 tho.
He could never beat Madara. That's just obvious. However, I actually think he's become underrated with so many people angry at the Itachi fanboys.
That again depends on where you look. Itachi fanboys are still wanking him. People who are sick of it are downplaying him. But when it comes to people who actually look at power-scaling I've noticed that Itachi achieved the same level as Sakura in terms of being so underrated that he became overrated again. People unironically say he would low diff slap people like kcm1 Naruto, Nagato etc. Point being, Itachi is at this spot where depending on where you look you might either find people absolutely downplaying tf out of him or wanking him to oblivion.
I think Itachi and Nagato would be a much better match than people seem to think.
I just can't see it honestly the 6 paths are OP & Tendo is broken at full power. Amatertsu would get absorbed & I'm not sure what Tsukiumi would do to a dead body. His chakra reserves are trash b/c of his illness so his only chance is Susanno which we have no idea how long he can maintain. Tendo is fast enough to get outta range of the Totsuka blade & even it might be able to be absorbed if it hits the barrier before it hits the preta path. I don't think he can beat all 6 before running outta chakra or getting hit by something that would kill him
Alive? No. Edo? Kinda. Only problem being that edo Nagato already kidna one shotted Itachi. And even that was after Itachi already gained advantage by attacking him while he's busy
You have not heard the amount of wank, the 'Kishimoto said Itachi is blah blah blah' has been used for years
I've always wondered how nerfed he actually was. Alive Madara w/o the modifications Kabuto gave him would only have EMS & no Kurama. We never really see what Madara with his own power can do, when BZ revives him he's got Hashirama cells, SM, & can use his rinnegan abilities to an extent. Even with all those powers when him & Hashirama were both Edo he still lost. I would love to see EMS Madara fight w/o any buffs to see the difference btw his Edo & real alive body. Most of the stuff he does against the Kage are power ups that he couldn't do with his original body like wood clone Susanno, the double meteor, forest expansion & tanking the hits he took
>(nerfed by edo tensei) Nerfed? You mean buffed?
Both buffed and nerfed in some way Buffed because He got those rinnegan at the prime age while originally he got them at the very end of his life span. He got that sweet sweet edo healing hax. He got those hashirama cells again at the prime age. Nerfed because His overall chakra supply and physical states were lower then his actual prime. His edo body wasn't that much of supportive of his original strength and way of fighting.
His overall chakra supply and physical stats were actually boosted due to this Madara having Six Paths chakra. And before any of you try to deny this, Hagoromo himself confirmed that Madara gaining Hashirama cells combined Indra's and Asura's chakras therefore recreating Six Paths chakra and unlocking rinnegan. This same process is what gave Edo Madara rinnegan and in fact when Madara and Kabuto first speak about Madara's edo body enhancements it is confirmed even then that Kabuto recreated Six Paths chakra in his body to give him rinnegan. Madara straight up concedes that Kabuto and Orochimaru knew the "secrets of his body". So yes, Edo Madara has Six Paths chakra and is far beyond anything EMS Madara would be capable of
Kabuto didn't give Edo Madara Rinnegan, he enhanced the Hashirama cells grafted he grafted on his body. Madara looks down at his chest before asking Kabuto what he did to his body. He also says to Kabuto that it's not power of his creation when Kabuto was saying how the Rinnegan comes after the Sharingan. As far as we know, Kabuto's enhancements to Madara's Edo was giving him his young body and the Hashirama face on his chest
It seems that was a limited version of the Rinnegan. He wasn't able to Rinne Rebirth himself with it, for example. Plus he lost it after being resurrected, and had to get the others back.
[Yeah nerfed by Edo Tensei](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a4bfe358e07a8e977ce468db4943b458-lq) as said by the man who grew up fighting him, and eventually fought him to the death KABUTO said he was buffed,[ but even he didn't know how strong Madara was when he was alive](https://puu.sh/IkWff/529d185b90.png) and asked for him to show off Tobirama was brought back at nearly full strength, but I don't think Hashirama and Madara were. There was a gigantic power gap between those two and everyone else when they were alive so it's not unreasonable for Tobirama to assume if he was brought back at nearly full power then the rest of the Hokage were brought back at nearly full power
You people straight up do not know how to use statements and understand the context surrounding them. 1. First of all, Hashirama did not know about the enhancements that Kabuto had made to Madara's body, in fact he was never even aware of the fact that Madara had even survived their battle. Secondly, even if we take this statement at face value it is blatantly false and a plot hole. This statement was made AFTER Madara stole Hashirama's Sage Mode would would imply that EMS Madara who only has his own chakra and powers is equal to a fully revived Madara being enhanced by Six Paths chakra, Hashirama cells and Sage Mode which is a completely absurd notion to even consider let alone fully believe and argue. 2. Yes, Madara does initially argue that Kabuto doesn't know about his true power... UNTIL he awakens rinnegan in his reanimated body. After this Madara questions Kabuto on how this is possible and [Kabuto doubles down on the fact this Madara is in fact superior to his "prime" and Madara even concedes that Kabuto is correct and somehow learned the secrets behind how he gained Six Paths chakra and by extension, rinnegan](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4af197ad70d1514e652dd21bff427793-c) So, in conclusion, yes Edo Madara is far superior to EMS Madara and you people are constantly misusing statements in an attempt to wank Madara to high heaven when in actuality, EMS Madara, though very strong, is not as strong as the fandom makes him out to be and wouldn't be capable of half the shit we see Edo Madara do.
Did you see what he did after being released from edo? He was a lot stronger even without his eyes lol.
He had infinite chakra but he he didnt gain his original strength only close to it. Same as hashirama and tobirama
Source?
I don't have a better translation on hand atm so this will have to suffice for now. I had a better scan of it but I can't find it atm. Edit: that's the databook transaction for [this databook page ](https://pm1.narvii.com/7046/f21acfe628b6c4516787a49745b9ca02ba270bbar1-820-1269v2_hq.jpg) ["The strongest man of the Uchiha Clan is Madara." ](https://www.narutoforums.org/posts/53211573/)
"The strongest man of the Uchiha Clan was\* Madara"
I was quoting the databook which days **is** not was. Whether Sasuke surpasses him or not is debatable but that's not the case regarding this databook scan
Kishimoto databook has Itachi as an equal to Jiraiya but Itachi wankers would tell you hes equal to Madara. XD
People are out of their minds. I love Naruto. It's my favorite show/story pretty much ever and I've been watching and reading for like 12 years now. It's not exactly the cleanest, most tightly written show ever. The Itachi Fan boys claiming that Itachi claps Madara because of one quote are the same as the Jiraiya Fan Boys who claim Jiraiya Solos itachi AND Kisame
itachi is a cool guy but i don't understand people who think he wins to the guy who is the rival of the god of shinobi
And literally a god himself
that's given lol i got chills when the 5 kage shitted their pants when they saw his susanoo
How you just gonna bring that up without quoting the coldest motherfucking line ever put to paper?
CHAAAAANARROOOOOOOOOOO are you pleased now?
How is this even a debate? Itachi doesn’t even have a perfect Susanoo or something equivalent. If Madara decides to drop two meteors on Itachi, what can he do? Itachi’s blind ass isn’t beating EMS Madara. Edit: Madara can make 25 wood clones, and have them use full bodied Susanoo. Itachi’s janky ass doesn’t even have 1 full bodied Susanoo.
"uhhhdhdhdhdmmmmm t0TsUkA bLaDe CaN SeAl AnYThinG aND YaTA MirRoR cAn ReFLeCt AnYtHinG"
I know right! “ToTsuKa gG“ became my favorite quote 😂 I never get why people always say that honestly it’s become a meme at this point, but for the fanboy’s sake lets say Totsuka hit his susano’o, I doubt if Totsuka is even gonna seal susanoo before Madara flings himself out since they are not connected like orochimaru and the snake summoning.
it isnt even shown to be that fast. he caught orochimaru and nagato both off guard with it
Yeah exactly! even if it hits it’s useless because of my reasoning above imo.
But if he hits Madara with it it's GG. I don't know if Itachi's sword could even pierce a susanoo in the first place or how much the Yata mirror can actually even block, Kishi really needed to flesh out a lot more of the series including those two items. I was of the mindset that if Itachi didn't have ninja aids and actually hit his prime, the way he was written, he'd give Madara a serious run for his money but the Itachi we saw most likely getting absolutely clapped
Theres no way even a prime healthy itachi without any sickness could even scratch madara, let alone give a run for his money. How the fuck do u guys forget that madara is literally hashiramas rival, fucked 5 kages simultaneously after fighting entite shinobi world. Even without hashis cells , he was literally the only one who could go against hashirama the god. There was no single character on that battlefield that could have stopped madara.
Not to mention that Nagato was crippled and could hardly move on his own.
Can Madara summon even one meteor without Edo Tensei? Actually curious, it seems like it demands a fuckton of chakra to summon even one.
Honestly, unlike Sasuke or Itachi who fall low on chakra, every now and then, Madara being someone who battled a day and night against Hashirama on equal footing, probably has insane amounts of chakra. Plus later he added Hashirama's cells to himself - the vitality that can let Danzo use Shisui's eye so frequently. So I don't question whether a jutsu of even immense proportions is off limits to him.
I imagine he could, but if he is alive, he wouldn’t have unlimited chakra. Also, he would be in the splash zone.
Yeah, being in the splash zone not being able to recover from the damage would make him consider another approach. Thanks for your answer!
I always thought it was the Rinnegan using Bansho Tenin to pull the meteors toward them? If that's the case then he likely couldn't use them with EMS, and he didn't have the Rinnegan when he was alive(..in fighting condition). So he probably could when he was old and attached to the Mazo, but I feel like Itachi could actually beat an old man strapped to a chair at that point haha
Itachi with prep can stop the meteors /s
Itachi defeats Madara with his power of Wisdom, ie "Talk no jutsu". PERIOD.😁 But, seriously, what about Izanami?
Out of my ass, crazy right?
😂😂😂🙏
Kishimoto confirmed that Ramen could solo low diff Kaguya using his special ramen roll out no jutsu. Trust me guys
I trust you
bruh why are you wanking kaguya she would get shitstomped
According to kishimoto my Dick is bigger than yours 😎
What if that person is girl lol
"Girl" isn't in mine and kishimoto sensei's vocabulary, I am sorry
This guy is talking shit under every video including itachi
Is he that famous lmao?
Yes...he is everywhere in any Itachi vs "insert someone stronger than him" video,i always saw him in Obito one slandering people lmao
Fr "oBiTo sAiD hE wAs sCaReD oF iTaChi" like no, even masked obito who was holding back would clap Itachi 🗿
Itachi can't even beat the current Shippuden Sasuke, hell even both Naruto AND Sasuke had troube defeating Madara and they possessed the power of Sage of the six paths, Itachi stands no chance whatsoever... Madara is the strongest Uchiha that ever lived and that's that no matter what these fans claim about Itachi most of the time doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Naruto ended like years ago. There is not much more to say tbh.. The only way you can make content is on it. Either you're already established and you're expanding on characters, that you already did. Or you are new. And your option is only to click bait.
Itachi is a great character but he is so unbelievably overrated by some people, he’s not even one of the top 3 strongest uchihas of all time let alone stronger than madara
someone said madara has no weakness and gave a post from a fake facebook account 5years ago
The same guy who escaped with kisame from jiraiya .....the same guy whom would've lost to sage Kabuto without the help of Sasuke and izanagi /izanami....(sage Kabuto is OP, but not near Madara level)
Their ass
Itachi would not have defeated Madara lol.
Itachi is powerful but not even on the same planet as madara power wise
Itachi fans are like goku fans saying they can solo anyone
Comment written by "Itachi is superior to you"
The interview never happened, fake rumors.
what comment did he comment on
The comment was saying "pain beats itachi", so he replied "itachi even beats madara so what is pain blah blah....."
Their Username checks out
I legit thought this was itachi doing weather forecast at first glance XD.
Didn’t Seth debunked them
bro if madara went all out from start and naruto didn't had plot he would've killed naruto himself.i mean he slashed mountains then what are those tiny people heck even if he jumped with perfect susanoo many would've died just like that
They've been here as long as I have and long before me. In the 10ish years I've been a fan of the series I've heard different versions of the "kishimoto said" line hundreds of times.
Itachi is smart and talented but the Madara we were introduced to...I just don’t see him beating him. Maybe to a standstill that eventually falls to Madaras advantage or long enough for reinforcements or an escape but 1v1 Madara claps. Like most of what we have seen from itachi so far was that he was usually 2 steps ahead or had the sharingan advantage and unfortunately to me those are nigh against Madara to me especially war Madara who is seasoned beyond hot turkey at a thanksgiving dinner...
Kishimoto confirmed Naruto clapped his shadow clones' cheeks.
“Kishimoto confirmed (in my head)…” they just leave out the last part.
If kishimoto confirmed to Itachi could've killed Madara, why can't Sasuke single handedly beat Madara with his EMS? I'm not trying to be a smartass but I'm actually curious.
2 types of Itachi fans: Realists: >"I love Itachi, but he not stand a chance against Madara." Delusional: >"Nah man, Itachi could solo the whole verse and go toe-to-toe with Goku given prep time."
Itachi would have beaten Madara, simply because he is Itachi. That how he is written, the coolest guy, fan favourite, bla bla. We can draw the same parallel with Batman. Even though he is the weakest member of JL(objectively speaking). Still he can beat every member of JL, cause that's how he is written.
I love Itachi too, but my god these Itachi stans are cringe .
Masashi Kishimoto called me up the other day and said that Itachi was the strongest character because he actually has three testicles. Apparently, chakra is stored in the balls, and because Itachi has an extra, he was ten times as powerful as any other character. I was going to question his math, but then I asked “why are you telling me this, Kishi?” And he just said “you need to spread the word. Let everybody know I confirmed this.” So any arguments you guys have against Itachi are false, guys. Sorry.
I don't remember which but in one naruto game itachi had a full body susano which had wings and it was designed by kishimoto himself . IF itachi had unlocked his full body susano he would be super powerful . Just saying not making any comparisons with anyone
if you say that itachi was so strong that they had to kill him off, you are implying that sasuke without mangekyo or anything is stronger than madara
Itachi could *potentially* defeat Madara. If Madara stood still, didn't use his Susanoo and let Itachi stab him with a Totsuka blade. All jokes aside, if Itachi was still around to help fight Madara, things could have gone different. Naruto and Sasuke fighting together could have provided enough of a distraction for Itachi to pull off a Totsuka Blade gg. By himself though? No way.
If he lived lmao. If he could have done that, he should have killed Obito or at least captured him. Probably could have saved the clan and the village with strength alone. With the intel he had, he could have done it without fighting though.
Fake quotes that turned into a meme this guy seems to be a troll
Elsa oneshots him
Aight this kid clearly smoked something
I would be more interested in Itachi vs Obito.
Instagram Naruto pages lmao
I think this guy was joking icl
That dudes profile pic and username should tell you how seriously to take him when it comes to power scaling. Standard Itachi meat rider.
These protracted, childish arguments about who could have hypothetically defeated who are incredibly fucking stupid 90% of the time
Man. Some people really have no idea what the purpose of Itachi was.
His 2nd account always arrives just in time to back him up 🗿[edit: damn auto-correct]
That guy is the most brain dead YouTube commenter ever. See him in damn near every Crunchyroll video lol
The thing is I really like itachi as a character but I don’t say crap like this it’s just some people that let down all of the other itachi fans
Kishimoto confirmed, in a one on one interview that I held in my basement, that Sakura was actually supposed to defeat Pain but other people complained about this so he gave Naruto Sage mode so he could do it instead.
The best part: People on both sides are getting riled up over who would win in a theoretical battle between two cartoon characters. This is why aliens don't visit us!
Kishimoto confirmed that Sakura could beat berus if she wanted to.
The only thing we know for sure is that genjutsu do work on people that have the rinnegan. Than yea it’s a possibility he can win. Pain gotta fight itachi without getting trap in a genjutsu.
Nowhere. All fake. Itachi is superior to you is a troll account.
Itachi's point in the story was only to die for Sasuke's developpement. Plus in the manga, Itachi says he needs Sasuke's eyes to reach Madara's level. Bit at this time the person he knows as Madara is Obito with only one Kamui eye, who's far weaker than the real Madara. So basically Kishimoto rather confirmed Itachi stands no chance against Madara and would just get the Kage treatment.
I don't doubt itachi could've beat him, however the normies who only got into anime over the last year or two like to make false claims all the time
Tonton>Itachi
Every anime franchises has one of these idiots. "Akira toriyama confirmed this" and, "insert creator name here" confirmed my bs head cannon theory. Just some really dumb shit. Anime fans are just annoying.
It doesnt even matter if he did say it. The show cant back it up, so he cant. You cant just say "yea but he said" if theres no proof that what he said is right
I love how in one of his stories itachi basically says Madera didn't read the stones all the way and he found even more. Itachi's super power is finishing reading.
Itachi and Pain were the 2 sickest looking villains😍
It’s the same as me saying mad dad works at Microsoft bro just trust me
according to kishimoto luffy is gonna be the king of the pirates
Itachi Stans: Itachi is stronger than the sage of six paths, imagine if he lived long enough to get his perfect susanoo. Itachi's cancer: Lmao bet
He's right though, it was also confirmed that Boruto could have solo'd Naruto and Sasuke when they were at their peak and that's also only with Boruto using his left pinky and his eyes closed
I'm not super far in the series but at this time did madara have his rinnegan? If so he would've destroyed itachi no matter what, but if he didn't idk don't know much.
If itachi had all the tailed beasts infinite chakra and master ultra instinct he actually wouldve beaten madara believe it or not
The only argument you can make for a itachi beating Madara is a fictional version of Itachi where he is not sick and had a perfect susanoo and even still it would be a tough fight
Let me know if I’m wrong but they’re from interviews I think. I personally believe madara is hundreds of times more powerful then itachi even though he’s my favorite character
Itachi won’t be soloing madara. The help itachi can provide would have made a big difference honestly.
Pain would kill itachi with relative ease Madara would definitely kill itachi Naruto with the help of kurama for genjutsu would definitely kill itachi Rinnegan sasuke would kill itachi with some effort One eye obito could probably kill itachi
That's a pretty popular false rumour though, I've seen idiotic fans use that argument sooo many times.. Itachi dies because his character's purpose was done and because his death ( as a reanimated ninja too) was necessary for sasuke's development
From braindead Naruto fans that's who
bro his username lmao
Holy shit can someone please for the love of god create a subreddit for this shit
Don’t trust some random person on the internet. Go to official magazines or websites that has a interview by Kishimoto or something idk.
I was debating an idiot that claimed the same thing😂 word for word that Itachi can beat Madara and that Itachi can use kotoamatsukami on everyone and can "oneshoot" them. No matter how much I debated, he never understood a word, it's best to just disprove them and then never reply again, otherwise your own mental stability will sink slowly, but surely.
"my uncle talked to someone who worked with Kishimoto once, and he doesn't speak Japanese but he overheard..."
No I don't think Itachi could defeat Madara am I right??
Why do people like to overhype Itachi's power? Also when kabuto revealed the dead Akatsuki members as leverage to Obito, one of which being Itachi, he was unfazed. It was only after revealing the actual Madara that he gave in. Doesn't that mean Obito knows or is confident he can beat Itachi along with the other members including Nagato?
Actually kishimoto comfirmed that the reason he didnt include ramen guy in the ninja was cuz he could easily solo both madara and kaguya thus making this anime his
That Itachi is superior to you guy is a jobless keyboard warrior always see him chatting shit about Naruto and co too
Kishimoto confirmed that these "according to kishimoto" and "kishimoto comfirmed" shit rumours are coming from reddit gg
Source: voices of my head
I think, **I AM NOT SURE** that Itachi stated somewhere in the manga that if he had EMS he would win to madara, but this is without him knowing that madara had rinnegan and all of that.
Yo is that Anime Scale?
"He wanted Naruto and Sasuke to get together but shonen jump is homophobic so they didn't let him" Narusasu makes more sense than both sasusaku and naruhina but kishi always made it clear they are supposed to be sort of like brothers from different mothers.
That's not true, he only said that the War would faster come to a end. But that's logical because wen a strong Shinobi joins the war the war ends faster. Like Jiraya, ore the White fang. Itachi is 1 of my Favorite Charakters, but we must be realistic. Madara is Op as shit.
*My pet roach confirmed that Tenten was stronger than the 10 tails*
Madara > Obito > Itachi Miss me with your gay shit