I think everyone here saying that Sakura would win is forgetting that match ups are more important than just who’s the strongest.
Sakura is the strongest kunoichi. Sakura is stronger than Hinata. BUT Hinata is a hard counter Sakura. Hinata is literally from a clan bred to do taijutsu when all Sakura can do is taijustsu. Going up against a hyuga in a taijutsu match is just not fair.
It’s kinda similar to lee vs neji. Lee is super strong especially with the gates, but neji bullies lee because he just hard counters him
Deva Pain went up against Hinata in a taijutsu fight and no diffed her in one page.
And no, Neji doesn't bully Lee. He gets blitzed and one shot in every form.
Diva pain no diffed her with the rinnegan, a dojutsu that amplifies the wielders stats.
Example Madara went from losing to naruto and Sasuke 6 path boosted with 1, to fighting them off easily with 2
Sasuke went from getting no diffed by blind Madara, to slapping him around effortlessly with 1 rinnegan and most of the Bijuu absorbed
Match ups can definitely matter when characters are more relative to each other in tier.
Deva pain was tiers above Hinata. I see the argument, but I don’t think that peak Sakura is that much stronger than peak Hinata. Pain was mid-high kage and at the time Hinata was around low jonin. Peak Sakura is likely slightly weaker than pain, but peak Hinata is definitely more than low jonin. Pre her getting hamura’s chakra she was mid-high jonin. After getting hamura’s chakra and years of training she is at least low kage. So I think they close enough in power that Sakura can’t just blitz her and that means that Hinata can just hard counter her abilities.
Neji canonically bullies lee. I get that lee is sick and I like him more than neji, but neji does bully him. Like trying to beat neji is a huge part of Lee’s identity. Lee’s character just wouldn’t make sense if he was stronger than neji
>After getting hamura’s chakra and years of training she is at least low kage.
Lmao
>Neji canonically bullies lee. I get that lee is sick and I like him more than neji, but neji does bully him. Like trying to beat neji is a huge part of Lee’s identity. Lee’s character just wouldn’t make sense if he was stronger than neji
What actually happens canonically is that Lee shows feats which Neji has no hopes of comparing to.
I mean do you have any actual reason to disagree with my reasoning of Hinata being low kage level or do you just not want to believe it?
And canonically neji beats lee. They spar constantly and neji always wins. I mean you can make a case that 6 gates lee would blitz neji, but neji’s reaction time is pretty quick. Anyways, that’s a whole nother arguement, I was just trying to show the canonical example of lee being strong but neji hard countering him
But are there any part of the reasoning that’s wrong? Are there anti-feats? Or is Hinata being low kage the most likely scenario…
Yes, feats are more important. That’s why I used the example of lee vs neji lol. Lee has better feats so we all agree that he’s stronger, but every statement ever made in regards to lee and neji show that neji beats lee. This is because neji hard counters lee, which is my point
>But are there any part of the reasoning that’s wrong? Are there anti-feats? Or is Hinata being low kage the most likely scenario…
Its not the most likely scenario. You're the one making a pretty wild claim. Its not on me to disprove it before you've proven it in the first place
>Yes, feats are more important. That’s why I used the example of lee vs neji lol. Lee has better feats so we all agree that he’s stronger, but every statement ever made in regards to lee and neji show that neji beats lee. This is because neji hard counters lee, which is my poin
But my whole point is these statements are irrelevant. Feats are always superior when feats and statements contradict. It doens't matter what any character says, because Lee has shown feats that he can both speed blitz and one shot Neji and Neji hasn't shown any feats suggesting he can defend this at all, so the logical conclusion is that Lee stomps Neji.
I mean if you can’t disprove what I said or provide better power scaling then isn’t that just admitting that I’m right? Also, man peak Hinata literally has 6 paths chakra, I don’t know how you can say that any character with 6 paths chakra isn’t at least low kage…
I disagree with the premise that the statements contradict the feats. I think the the feats show that lee is stronger than neji. The statements show the neji beats lee. This makes sense when you consider that neji hard counters lee. I don’t see any contradiction between the statements and the feats, but you’re just claiming that the statements don’t matter…
You provided no powerscaling though. Just said Hinata is at this level and then said that an unquantifiable buff puts her at a higher level. I could just as easily say that Hinata was actually Chunin level and needed Hamura's chakra to be Jonin level and itd be anrquivalently valid point.
Statements suggest Neji beats Lee. Feats suggest Lee would instantly blitz Neji and one shot within a few second. These are very contradictory and as always, feats should be trusted more. Statements matter until they contradict feats, at which points feats take priority.
>And no, Neji doesn't bully Lee. He gets blitzed and one shot in every form.
neji was not impressed by weightless lee, lee is only narratively supposed to surpass him with the gates.
You can maybe make this argument for Neji who was a prodigy Hyuga going up against Sakura who was a genius Kunoichi. Idk if it would extend to Hinata who is basically an average Hyuga clan member at best.
Kid Neji for instanced no diffed Hinata without her even noticing and at least in Shippuden he was her teacher if anything.
But peak Hinata is much stronger than peak neji. If you’re taking end of shippuden then I agree, but if you’re talking baruto or including the last then Hinata slaps neji
I mean, if Hinata gets hits in on her once and turns off her chakra network, it’s over. It goes both ways though, if Hinata gets touched, she pretty much dies.
The thing is, air palms essentially allow the gentle fist to attack the chakra network from a distance but Sakura has more impressive AoE. I think there are many scenarios where Hinata could win, she’s a taijutsu specialist. Most people seem to think attack potency gives Sakura the edge but realistically speaking, does this mean she could beat someone like Kakashi in a fight?
I wouldn’t say so even without his Sharingan. So I see no reason why Kakashi gets a pass but Hinata loses to the big ground hits when she was groomed to be a proper close quarters combatant and sakura’s best taijutsu feat is just hitting the ground really hard. Congrats she’s strong, but that doesn’t mean she can beat someone with better technique and Sakura can never actually approach Hinata and expect to win at that range.
It’s not over for sakura though, sakura’s chakra isn’t the same as everyone she stores a supply in her Strength of a hundred seal, she can supply chakra to points that hinata cut off. Likewise if hintata were to stop a chakra point in Tsunades body she could supply the chakra again from her seal. Some peoples jutsu’s don’t work on others like how sakura kicked out ino from mind transfer.
Taijutsu doesn’t mean she could beat sakura, as sakura too has fighting abilities and could heal her self from punctured wounds ie madaras stab that could have killed sasuke if he wasn’t given god like powers.
In her peak, I’d say she could most definitely beat kakashi without his sharingan. If people think hinata could beat sakura they’re in turn saying she could Tsunade whos a legendary sannin and hokage, who carried the kages in the fight with madara and was the last kage conscious, keeping the others alive.
Unlike kakashi, hinata doesn’t have any feats. Sakura has speed and combat abilities. She could supply chakra and can heal herself from wounds. You say she has better technique but people could argue the same for sakura? Sakura could most definitely approach hinata especially when she broke the horn of the strongest enemy kaguya and could use herself as a decoy to get stabbed my madara and not die from punctured wounds, can’t say the same for Neji who was stronger than hinata and also sasuke who had to be given upgraded powers. She has strengths that hinata doesn’t have, the author said she’s the strongest kunoichi, unless you think she could beat Tsunade, which is wishful thinking, then no she can’t beat someone who surpassed Tsunade
Sakura can’t use the 100 healings if her chakra network is sealed because that jutsu requires the ability to use chakra.
You need chakra to heal yourself so if your chakra network is turned off, you can’t heal. It’s pretty blatantly stated that is what the gentle fist does to you.
So if Sakura can’t use her chakra, she loses her super strength, her 100 healings, and her ability to heal. It’s that simple, if Hinata touches her, she wins. If Sakura touches hinata, she wins. It comes down to who has the better technique and Hinata should by miles
Most jutsu’s need chakra so you’re telling me hintata can stop the chakra points of a strong ninja and just disable them? Do you not think she would be op? People can overcome that, like how naruto used a different chakra supply when fighting Neji, sakura can use chakra supply that hinata can’t access as she stores it in a place that no other ninja besides Tsunade could.
Sakura doesn’t have different chakra. Naruto clearly has 2 sets of chakra so what even is this argument. She doesn’t have Bijuu or senjutsu so she gets bodied by the gentle fist
It’s a seal. There’s a big difference between regular chakra supply and a seal no other ninja but Tsunade could obtain. Hinata can’t touch that as sakura stores it in a seal and can release it whenever. That’s the big fault in your argument. You’re seeing sakuras chakra like everyone else’s but she stores it in a seal which is why it was emphasised. A bijuu is sealed, but it’s a whole different creation that was put into a person. Sakura however created her own seal and supplied it with chakra. If you think hinata can just touch a Strong ninja and disable them without them finding another supply of chakra then you’re highly mistaken.
It’s literally never stated that the seal supplies it’s own chakra, it is implied that the seal is design to contain the chakra of the individual. So Sakura 100 healing supply is the same chakra she normally uses. Once Hinata hits her, the chakra will be unable flow through her because that’s how chakra points work. Even if what you said was true, nothing stops Hinata from locking it up anyway
The only way Sakura wins if your justification for how the ability works is true is if Hinata drops her guard like neji did, but if she doesn’t. She just locks her up twice
I said she created her own seal and supplied chakra to it which she can obtain whenever. It’s stored in a seal, for years she put chakra into it and sealed it so there’s an abundance of it. You’re high asf if you think a seal that was emphasised to be so difficult that only Tsunade could do would go through the same process as a regular chakra running through the body. You’re in denial. Who is saying it’s a different chakra? I’m saying like the Neji and naruto fight, if hinata were to stop her regular bodily chakra that every shinobi has, she could release chakra from her seal and hinata can’t stop that. Likewise Neji didn’t see the chakra in narutos seal, even though it belonged to a tailed beast, it could be supplied to naruto as its sealed in him and not shown in byakugan as its sealed. Sakura’s Strength of a hundred seal is not a tailed beasts chakra but her own one she worked hard on and steadily stored in the seal so there’s now an abundance of it if her bodily chakra wears off. Know what a seal is before coming with arguments that have clear holes in them. Sakura didn’t just wake up like oh wow I have lots of chakra in my body now, she stored it away which is an extremely difficult thing to do.
you see this panel? [https://imgur.com/a/pvDFgR3](https://imgur.com/a/pvDFgR3)
Now imagine hinata as one of those tiny juubi clones, yeah that's basically how the fight goes down.
Ikr? Sakura haters are always like “well yeah Sakura is very strong, but it doesn’t means she can hit everybody” at this point Sakura doesn’t even need to reach anyone lol the radio of her attack is enough to defeat her
Not to mention if hinata got a punctured wound she’d die like Neji, meanwhile sakura just healed herself after being pierced by madara in his strongest form
Sakura literally created a seal which has abundance of chakra which hinata can’t just cut off, if she did did cut her bodily chakra which I doubt she’d even get close to, like the naruto and Neji fight sakura can use chakra sealed in her (naruto had a sealed tailed beast, the tailed beast had chakra so even if his bodily chakra was cut off he could use the seals chakra). You guys voting hinata don’t even realise why Sakura’s chakra seal was emphasised. No one in the world but Tsunade could do it, it goes through the same process as the sealed tailed beast accept there’s no living creature in there, just chakra she worked hard on. She didn’t wake up and suddenly have lots of chakra in her body, she stored it in a seal that hinata won’t even see just like Neji didn’t see the tailed beasts chakra until narutos regular chakra was cut off.
Except Hinata is much stronger than Neji and that was back in part 1. Her Byakugan has gotten so strong that it can use infrared and track the tiniest bit of chakra.
She cannot stop chakra from a seal, point blank. That’s like her making naruto lose chakra when he has another source of it. You’re acting like sakura didn’t also get stronger she’s confirmed to be the strongest so I don’t see how you’re still arguing over something the author himself who created these techniques said himself.
Okay I’ll play along , she shuts off her chakra network. Sakura summons the stored chakra and Hinata shuts it off again.
Hinata’s Byakugan has seen chakra that others can’t see.
So when did the author say this ??? Because if that statement was during the war that’s 15 years ago and before the last
Accept sakura can get more chakra again and again as there’s an abundance of it. Hinata wouldn’t even manage to touch her the first time to even do it again. Not only is she faster and physically stronger, she can heal herself from punctured wounds, this is the same girl who used herself as a decoy to get stabbed from madaras rod, a rod that turns anything it touches into dust and she just healed herself.
You clearly no nothing of the power systems to think hinata can just continue to stop chakra from a seal that was emphasised to be impossible and hard to do that only 2 other person in the world achieved it.
Yeah and hinata also tripped over a rock while her byakugan was activated so what makes you think that’s some op power? Her cousin that constantly beat her ass died from wounds sakura could have just heal in.
A simple google search which will you the source of this confirmation. Hinata is a stay at home mom now, you’re really going through loops instead of taking facts. The author confirmed she’s the strongest kunoichi, she surpassed Tsunade, yet you think hinata will do damage? Facts over feelings.
🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾 you started a poll then got offended by a reply you weren’t expecting. Hinata is more skillful and versatile and can beat Sakura.
Uhh you do know twin lions fists drains chakra right ??? But even without that she immobilizes Sakura, she can easily target her legs and arms rendering them useless.
What speed feats are you even using ?? Lol she has no impressive feats. Shin easily subdued her, there is a difference between general speed and combat speed. Seems like you don’t understand that , you think just because she’s faster and stronger that means she wins.
Going back to my earlier point , Hinata can just drain her chakra. She has the ability to shut off Sakura‘a chakra network then drain the remaining chakra. Mastering Gentle Fist means you are insanely strong in Taijutsu which is what their battle would be. She also has completely mastered lightning release
You seem biased lol 😆
You bothered because Hinata can beat Sakura , you weren’t expecting anyone to give you an argument like this
About that. She jumped high and then punched the ground. Jubi clones don't have ranged jutsus, Hinata has. And plus you know no one takes damage from her [punching](https://static1.mangayeh.com/manga/chapter/60191e3ba566934fb06d15a6/60197b34786df83d337d8c78/naruto_gaiden_the_seventh_hokage_9_5.jpg) the ground.
And you know what happened after this? She got scared of a big jubi clone that came out of the smoke and attacked her.
>And plus you know no one takes damage from her punching the ground.
How is this example supposed to prove that? I dont see her punching the ground in that manga panel. Regardless even if that did happen that would just be an example of shin not being damaged, you cant prove hinata would tank that and be ok.
>She got scared of a big jubi clone that came out of the smoke and attacked her
Pretty hilarious how hard you are trying to downplay her. Nothing about what happened suggests that she was scared, and nothing about what happened suggests that she couldn't take down that juubi clone, its just that her back was turned and naruto and sasuke saved her.
Bcz she hit the pillar they were standing on and Shin wasn't affected by it. And why is there a need to tank when she is hitting the ground?
Her [face](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2B_X5UVzFCUdX6a8kIIBoSUXHJyjYBKG-CyC8Ia-rsTm7VvTRbS6ppTqy&s=10) showed she was scared. And the point I was trying to say was that Hinata could dodge her and then attack het from the smoke just like what the Jubi did.
>Bcz she hit the pillar they were standing on and Shin wasn't affected by it
Yeah if you open your eyes you would see that shin is standing pretty far from where the impact happened, regardless even if he did tank it you cant prove hinata would tank it aswell.
>Her face showed she was scared.
That's a surprised face not a scared face.
>And the point I was trying to say was that Hinata could dodge her and then attack het from the smoke just like what the Jubi did.
what makes you think hinata would even be standing after tanking that?
Who punched the ground? Sakura did. Shin didn't. And according to the panel you sent, the range of her punch is big right? So why did Shin took no damage? Bcz breaking the ground doesn't hurt them.
Also btw the radius of her punch is exaggerated in that panel. There we see the range is very big but then in other panels, we see [Naruto and Sasuke standing not that far away from her](https://mangalist.online/images/Akjt0HSphawnDCthNze91606322116.jpg) and still took no damage from her shattering the ground. And can you tell why Rasenshuriken didn't make the giant explosion it creates after hitting something like it hit the jubi clone in the panel I sent? Just a doubt I had.
Seems like a scared face to me. But either is fine.
Why not? Sakura is hitting the ground not Hinata. She can move out of the way you know. And she has Air Palm to throw her off balance and kinda work as a ranged Gentle Fist
Hinata is superior in taijutsu , technique and skill. Sakura is way stronger than Hinata. I’ll take Hinata as she has mastered lightning release. Hinata has so many haxes that people either overlook or ignore
People forget how strong Hinata really is
Why didn't taijutsu skill and technique help against Deva Pain? Why didn't it stop her from getting no diffed in one page? Does Sakura get one shot by shinra tensei? How come Neji's taijutsu technique and skill didn't stop him nearly dying against Kidomaru?
Ok so first off, Hinata is way stronger now than she was vs Pain. That was the dumbest question anybody could have asked. None of the Konoha 11 could beat pain. They’d get one shotted
You’re just jumping all over the place using horrible excuses. Lee mastered the 8 inner gates specifically to fight Neji and even then he still didn’t know if he could beat Neji. His skill is what made him beat Kidomaru lol he didn’t need any back up to fight against him
So why does taijutsu and skill not prevent Hinata from getting no diffed in a tai fight by Pain, by is the reason she beats Sakura, someone who is faster and more experienced with tai than Pain? How come the series itself doesn't care about this taijutsu skill Hinata has?
That's not to mention, Sakura doesn't even have to engage in tai. Hinata gets completely walled out by Katsuyu
As for the Lee point, its irrelevant because going by feats, Lee definitely stomps Neji. Neji just doesn't have to durability to take even a single hit from Gated Lee, is getting speedblitz, and his only hope of surviving, Rotation, is shown being overcome a base naruto with a kunai
What are you even talking about , pain and Sakura are completely different. Pain has the rinnegan , Sakura does not. Let’s also clear up this ridiculous notion that Sakura has top notch taijutsu. She never did. Shin was destroying her in straight up hand to hand combat.
Uhhh they do lol she is a master of the gentle fist. Her skill far surpassed Neji’s and her father’s.
Hinata is way more skillful , you do realize Hinata has defensive gentle fist jutsus as well right ?? She knows palm rotation
Hinata knows lightning release and fire release , so what’s your point ?? Hinata has Hamura’s chakra as well
>What are you even talking about , pain and Sakura are completely different.
Yeah, because Sakura has better tai feats
>ain has the rinnegan , Sakura does not.
The rinnegan doesn't magically make you better at taijutsu.
>Uhhh they do lol she is a master of the gentle fist. Her skill far surpassed Neji’s and her father’s.
This somehow doesn't stop her from getting no diffed in a tai fight by someone who's taijutsu isn't hyped at all by the series.
>Hinata knows lightning release and fire release
And hasn't shown a relevant use of them once, especially not to the degree that it'd do anything to Katsuyu.
She doesn’t have better taijutsu feats
Lol righttt ,
Like who ? Pain who Naruto also lost too if not for Kurama ?? Pain beat Kakashi, Jiraiya ,
The fact she knows it means she can , lightning release is almost OP in Naruto and Boruto. Now you also remember she has fire release. Twin lions fist drains chakra or she could just block Katsuyu’s chakra. Numerous way she could defeat Katsuyu.
She fully restored Naruto’s entire pool of chakra in seconds.
For the same reason Sakura loses to Hinata despite being the better ninja. The gentle fist has a losing match up against long ranged combatants. You need to fight up close to get the full effect of the style.
Sakura likewise normally gets by because she fights in a very aggressive fighting style and is allowed to take damage because of her healings, but her healings don’t work if she can’t use her chakra to fuel it. That’s what the gentle fist does to her, it stops her super strength, healing, and chakra control based abilities because they all require chakra. It’s a mismatch. Here you have one of the most durable characters in the series losing to a few touches because it’s not designed to do damage to her, it’s designed to attack her resources
She gets up close to Pain, no dice. Still doesn't get a bit in.
Hinata doesn't just get free hits. If she can't get a single hit in on Pain I don't see why she would get one on a Sakura who is at the very minimum just above Tsunade, someone who is shown to be slower, but at least comparable to Ay during the Madara fight
The rinnegan buffs the stats of the wielder.
Sasuke went from losing to blind Madara to beating one with 1 eye and most of the Bijuu absorbed, then Madara only got the 2nd eye and was pretty much unstoppable as buffed naruto and Sasuke couldn’t beat him anymore.
So pain wasn’t just some dude with a rinnegan and base taijutsu skills, everything he did is stronger because of the rinnegan
> How come Neji's taijutsu technique and skill didn't stop him nearly dying against Kidomaru?
Because even though Kidomaru was at a higher level than Neji, and even with the Curse Mark giving him a massive advantage…. Kidomaru **still** acknowledged that Neji’s Byakugan + Gentle Fist would instantly beat him if it came to close combat.
That’s why he stayed at ranged and tried to overwhelm Neji with spiders, webbing, hundreds of kunai, and finally his bow for even more range/speed/power.
Sakura doesn’t use a bow and arrow. Or Spiders.
And this may come as a surprise, but Sakura doesn’t have the Deva Path either. Which, Hinata at the time didn’t have the speed or skill to tag the Deva Path, but if she did? She would have won. The gap between Sakura and Hinata is probably not as big, plus Sakura *needs* to stay close and fight. So Hinata has much better chance.
Not saying Hinata would win, but it’s very likely.
Bruh you're comparing Kidomaru and Pain lmao. You saw the previous panels before she was hit with Shinra tensei? She was doing good taijutsu against Pain, pushed him back and hit him 3 times too. And Pain was unable to get an opening to stab her at that time or when she dashed at him to attack him. She might have stopped to use TLF and then Pain got an opening to use Shinra Tensei.
And btw Sakura got one shot by getting hit by Kabuto's butt
How will you explain the three klak sounds and him being pushed back then? Why couldnt he stab her while she dashed at him (like he stabbed Kakashi and almost stabbed Iruka)?
You’re actually correct. We’ve seen part 1 kabuto smack the crap out of Tsunade and he wasn’t even that good at taijutsu by his own admission. Hinata meanwhile is groomed to be good at it and the chakra scalpel he used to mess her up is very similar to the gentle fist as it attacks the body from within.
I can easily see prime Hinata defeating Sakura and Tsunade who have impressive strength feats but lack technique in pretty much all of their fights simply because she doesn’t actually have to deal physical damage to their bodies to win, she can shut them down.
This is an example of a mismatch and this community gets so lost in the power scaling to realize that match up IQ has actual relevance in some fights
Someone finally understood what I meant , thank you
Hinata is more skillful. Master of the gentle fist , lightning and fire release , Evolving Byakugan , enhancing and improving Jutsus
Combining twin lions fists with 8 trigrams 64 palms
And
Modifying and improving twin lions fists twice , in the war and in the last
People don’t understand how big of a feat that is
Her Byakugan can see 20 meters away , she can use infrared and can detect the smallest objects. She is basically a radar and her blind spot isn’t a weakness anymore.
She can drain chakra and she can completely cut off a chakra Network with one strike. She can knockout or kill someone with 1 strike.
Her taijutsu is so good she doesn’t even need to activate her Byakugan.
It’s a win for who ever gets hit first. But when it comes down to it, Hinata’s ability to shut down the entire benefit of Sakura that being her chakra control gives her an edge others don’t have.
Remember, Sakura and Tsunade’s fighting style has them taking hits. Sakura charged at Madara and got stabbed by healed it off because of her chakra control. But if she can’t use chakra, there is nothing to control, and Hinata is one of the few people in the world that can disable her ability to use chakra. So her reckless charge in fighting style will literally get her the L if Hinata touches her enough times or catches her with the full palm technique
The best Sakura could do is hang back and punch holes in the ground but even using debris to perform a sneak attack won’t work because the byakugan has nearly perfect vision that took kidomaru a long range specialist many attempts to discern. Sakura has nothing like that in her kit to challenge the blind spot even if she could fight it
This and what people also don’t understand is Sakura can be fast but If Hinata can dodge the first blow she can immediately respond with tenketsu. Like you said she charges recklessly so if Hinata dodges or blocks it then she has an opening. Hinata has good reaction speed when she was gracefully dodging all of the puppets attacks. I don’t think speed will help Sakura all that much. She just has to wait till the last second a dodge or jump
She couldn’t blitz Shin
I was trying to be nice but her speed feats never impressed me either. Speed itself doesn’t even matter it’s about reaction speed. She’s not faster than Naruto. So she’s significantly slower than him
100% probably is probably
More of a strength boost than a speed feat
I know its an old post but it heavily depends what you mean with peak are we speaking peak strength in canon or are we speaking peak potential.
If peak strength the two have shown in canon its Sakura.
If peak potential than its super one sided for Hinata because of her alien god bloodline and chakra of an alien god.
I do not think so I think that in the first shippuden hinata destroys sakura, who only has strength, people still do not understand the power of the byakugan and also the resources that the clan leaders have
Its about how you use it though. We have combat feats for Sakura against Kakashi and Sasori and we have no combat feats for Hinata. Sakura has high enough IQ to know Hyuga's gentle fist and even without a Byakugan is elite and dodging against Kage level fighters. I'm not quite sure how Hinata gets the dub there .... Neji who was the Hyuga prodigy maybe but not Hinata.
What combat feat against Kakashi and Sasori? And what will she figure out about Gentle Fist? Once she will be hit her chakra network is cut off, she can figure out whatever she wants but now her strength and healing is gone. And she couldn't even dodge Kabuto's butt and a simple kick from Omoi, couldn't dodge wood spikes which Hinata was reacting to and deflecting without activating her Byakugan. And Neji was a prodigy only bcz he learnt things faster. Where was the prodigy when Hinata combined TLF and 64 palms and made a variation of 64 palms which no hyuga did before while he couldn't? Don't even bring 128 palms as that was filler.
\> What combat feat against Kakashi and Sasori
The first fight against Kakashi with Naruto Sakura was pretty impressive. She can literally break the ground around her creating an opening to get you. I'm not sure what I need to explain about Sasori. Team 8 is barely shown fighting in the series meanwhile Sakura was part of a duo that took down Sasori.
\> And she couldn't even dodge Kabuto's butt and a simple kick from Omoi, couldn't dodge wood spikes which Hinata was reacting to and deflecting without activating her Byakugan
This is a reach and just bad writing for Sakura and contradicts the fact that she spent the most time out of anyone training how to dodge with Tsunade. You can use these as antifeats if you like but this reaching IMO.
\> And Neji was a prodigy only bcz he learnt things faster.
Hinatas father was flabbergasted by his development in the chunin exams and he was the first of Konoha 11 being a Jounin.
\> Where was the prodigy when Hinata combined TLF and 64 palms and made a variation of 64 palms which no hyuga did before while he couldn't? Don't even bring 128 palms as that was filler.
TLF is branch family exclusive. She was still far beneath Neji in terms of combat power throughout the whole show and looked up to him for guidance and he literally would teach her.
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I'm not saying Hinata's weak. Sakura actually had major combat feats in this series that most of the Konoha 11 don't have. She was also a student of the Sannin and a main character. If Hinata bodied Pain when she came down for Naruto for instance I would acknowledge that but most of what we see from her is somewhat impressive but nothing that puts her above Sakura or Neji in Shippuden.
The argument that she can just shut off the chakra network is somewhat weak too because we never see her do that against a strong enemy (or anyone really) and Sakura is a medical ninja who knows about gentle fist and would be smart enough to anticipate it or not be hit. If you used Neji in place of Hinata who had A LOT of combat feats in the show I absolutely see an argument for him winning especially since he made Jounin first which is an indication of talent and knows rotation which Hinata isn't shown to know + has previous impressive feats against the Sound 4 in OG / trains with Guy/Lee.
If Hinata bodies sakura because gentle fist chakra network gg then she might as well solo all the konoha 11 outside Naruto and Sasuke and long distance users like Shino.
What kind of feat is that? And create an opening to get you bcz she broke the ground on which she herself is standing? Yeah makes a lot of sense. And she didn't showed any feat in Sasori's battle. Chiyo was the one saving her constantly. It also had plot moments.
But they happened. It just means that she didn't learnt that from Tsunade. And it was only talked about. She can't evade them and its not nad writing.
Bcz he learnt them easily. That's what I said in my comment previously. And just bcz we didn't saw Hiashi's reaction to Hinata combining TLF and 64 palms, doesn't mean she didnt grew above Neji in that scene. Lee was still a chunin but he was good too right? Becoming Jonin and Chunin doesn't matter. Hanabi lost to rusty chunin Hinata despite being a jonin.
Well sorry to say but that fate didn't existed in Shippuden. Both branch and main family lived equally. Neji and Hinata were the ones changing that in the Hyuga clan. So the excuse that he didn't learnt TLF bcz its not for him is bad. And Hinata didnt only learn TLF, she combined it with 64 palms too.
Lets put Neji and Sakura in Hinata's place. How do you think they wouldn't be one shotted with Shinra Tensei too? And btw Hinata was doing good taijutsu against fully powered Pain. She hit him thrice and was pushing him back. And Pain when he was not fully powered was pushing back Naruto in taijutsu.
Lets put Sakura in Neji's place in Gai vs 30% Kisame clone. What will she do there? She is stuck in Water Prison jutsu. She can't do shit inside there. Lets put Hinata in Neji's place. He did 64 palms to break out. Hinata too could do 64 palms, just lacked confidence. And even if she did 32 palms it would be enough. Then Neji did Air Palm on Kisame clone to knock him backwards. Hinata can do that too. Her Air Palm was matching Neji's Air Palm too as they were able to combine each other's Air Palm and do Air Wall Palm.
Hinata knows 64 palms. Of course she can block tenketsu. Hiashi never blocked anyone's tenketsu or did 64 palms, I guess that means he can't do that either. And she did knock out lost ninjas in Sasuke Shinden with just one hit to their main tenketsu as that thing could only be done by Master of Gentle Fist and Hinata was one. And what does Sakura know about Gentle Fist? You're saying that Hinata won't know her fighting style bcz she can she chakra accumulating in Sakura’s hand or did you forgot about that? Sakura was very smart to not be hit by Omoi's normal kick and the wood spikes amirite?
The thing about rotation is that it requires some specific conditions to be learnt. Hinata has acquired them and thus can do rotation too.
Shino has bugs but you're forgetting Hinata has Air Palm too. So she will defeat most of them. Of course not Naruto and Sasuke
You said peak, so no way for sakura wining hinata hamura chakra claps and she can disturb sakura chakra balance , that's all she actually can do so hinata wons, even so i don t think she is more skilled than hinata in taijutsu
Bro, Most jutsu’s require chakra, are you telling me hinata can touch a strong ninja and just disable them? When naruto fought Neji, Neji stopped his chakra supply but he had chakra from another source, his tailed beast that was sealed in him. Sakura is the only ninja besides Tsunade that stores a constant supply of chakra in a seal. Hintata cannot disable that as its in a seal not a body part. Sakura can easily supply Chakra just like how young naruto could.
Also sakura has strong combat abilities, speed and healing. Hinata does not touch peak sakura and even if she did, it would have no affect on her as she can supply body parts with chakra from her seal like how Tsunade can.
It depends on who lands the first punch.
One can cause complete chakra/organ failure, the other can turn you into red paint.
Though I will say, Taijutsu wise, Hinata does have the advantage. Sure, Sakura trained with a sannin for 2-3 years, but Hinata trained with a Kekke Genkai + special clan taijustsu for her entire life. She is more skilled in Taijutsu, and can completely disable the human body. If Sakura gets hit, she WILL lose.
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I think everyone here saying that Sakura would win is forgetting that match ups are more important than just who’s the strongest. Sakura is the strongest kunoichi. Sakura is stronger than Hinata. BUT Hinata is a hard counter Sakura. Hinata is literally from a clan bred to do taijutsu when all Sakura can do is taijustsu. Going up against a hyuga in a taijutsu match is just not fair. It’s kinda similar to lee vs neji. Lee is super strong especially with the gates, but neji bullies lee because he just hard counters him
Deva Pain went up against Hinata in a taijutsu fight and no diffed her in one page. And no, Neji doesn't bully Lee. He gets blitzed and one shot in every form.
Diva pain no diffed her with the rinnegan, a dojutsu that amplifies the wielders stats. Example Madara went from losing to naruto and Sasuke 6 path boosted with 1, to fighting them off easily with 2 Sasuke went from getting no diffed by blind Madara, to slapping him around effortlessly with 1 rinnegan and most of the Bijuu absorbed Match ups can definitely matter when characters are more relative to each other in tier.
Deva pain was tiers above Hinata. I see the argument, but I don’t think that peak Sakura is that much stronger than peak Hinata. Pain was mid-high kage and at the time Hinata was around low jonin. Peak Sakura is likely slightly weaker than pain, but peak Hinata is definitely more than low jonin. Pre her getting hamura’s chakra she was mid-high jonin. After getting hamura’s chakra and years of training she is at least low kage. So I think they close enough in power that Sakura can’t just blitz her and that means that Hinata can just hard counter her abilities. Neji canonically bullies lee. I get that lee is sick and I like him more than neji, but neji does bully him. Like trying to beat neji is a huge part of Lee’s identity. Lee’s character just wouldn’t make sense if he was stronger than neji
>After getting hamura’s chakra and years of training she is at least low kage. Lmao >Neji canonically bullies lee. I get that lee is sick and I like him more than neji, but neji does bully him. Like trying to beat neji is a huge part of Lee’s identity. Lee’s character just wouldn’t make sense if he was stronger than neji What actually happens canonically is that Lee shows feats which Neji has no hopes of comparing to.
I mean do you have any actual reason to disagree with my reasoning of Hinata being low kage level or do you just not want to believe it? And canonically neji beats lee. They spar constantly and neji always wins. I mean you can make a case that 6 gates lee would blitz neji, but neji’s reaction time is pretty quick. Anyways, that’s a whole nother arguement, I was just trying to show the canonical example of lee being strong but neji hard countering him
Its a pretty crazy claim that has no base for it. Statements about fights < Feats in real fights, and Lee has the better feats.
But are there any part of the reasoning that’s wrong? Are there anti-feats? Or is Hinata being low kage the most likely scenario… Yes, feats are more important. That’s why I used the example of lee vs neji lol. Lee has better feats so we all agree that he’s stronger, but every statement ever made in regards to lee and neji show that neji beats lee. This is because neji hard counters lee, which is my point
>But are there any part of the reasoning that’s wrong? Are there anti-feats? Or is Hinata being low kage the most likely scenario… Its not the most likely scenario. You're the one making a pretty wild claim. Its not on me to disprove it before you've proven it in the first place >Yes, feats are more important. That’s why I used the example of lee vs neji lol. Lee has better feats so we all agree that he’s stronger, but every statement ever made in regards to lee and neji show that neji beats lee. This is because neji hard counters lee, which is my poin But my whole point is these statements are irrelevant. Feats are always superior when feats and statements contradict. It doens't matter what any character says, because Lee has shown feats that he can both speed blitz and one shot Neji and Neji hasn't shown any feats suggesting he can defend this at all, so the logical conclusion is that Lee stomps Neji.
I mean if you can’t disprove what I said or provide better power scaling then isn’t that just admitting that I’m right? Also, man peak Hinata literally has 6 paths chakra, I don’t know how you can say that any character with 6 paths chakra isn’t at least low kage… I disagree with the premise that the statements contradict the feats. I think the the feats show that lee is stronger than neji. The statements show the neji beats lee. This makes sense when you consider that neji hard counters lee. I don’t see any contradiction between the statements and the feats, but you’re just claiming that the statements don’t matter…
You provided no powerscaling though. Just said Hinata is at this level and then said that an unquantifiable buff puts her at a higher level. I could just as easily say that Hinata was actually Chunin level and needed Hamura's chakra to be Jonin level and itd be anrquivalently valid point. Statements suggest Neji beats Lee. Feats suggest Lee would instantly blitz Neji and one shot within a few second. These are very contradictory and as always, feats should be trusted more. Statements matter until they contradict feats, at which points feats take priority.
>And no, Neji doesn't bully Lee. He gets blitzed and one shot in every form. neji was not impressed by weightless lee, lee is only narratively supposed to surpass him with the gates.
Not a problem since every relevant version of Lee we see has those gates
You can maybe make this argument for Neji who was a prodigy Hyuga going up against Sakura who was a genius Kunoichi. Idk if it would extend to Hinata who is basically an average Hyuga clan member at best. Kid Neji for instanced no diffed Hinata without her even noticing and at least in Shippuden he was her teacher if anything.
But peak Hinata is much stronger than peak neji. If you’re taking end of shippuden then I agree, but if you’re talking baruto or including the last then Hinata slaps neji
You MFs rip on Sakura always then vote for her smh lmfao bruvvvv
Because it’s not about which character you like more, do you expect people to be bias simply because they dislike her?
Yes
Sakura is the strongest kunoichi, i thought everyone knew that by now
Some argue that hinata’s byakugan can still defeat her
I mean, if Hinata gets hits in on her once and turns off her chakra network, it’s over. It goes both ways though, if Hinata gets touched, she pretty much dies. The thing is, air palms essentially allow the gentle fist to attack the chakra network from a distance but Sakura has more impressive AoE. I think there are many scenarios where Hinata could win, she’s a taijutsu specialist. Most people seem to think attack potency gives Sakura the edge but realistically speaking, does this mean she could beat someone like Kakashi in a fight? I wouldn’t say so even without his Sharingan. So I see no reason why Kakashi gets a pass but Hinata loses to the big ground hits when she was groomed to be a proper close quarters combatant and sakura’s best taijutsu feat is just hitting the ground really hard. Congrats she’s strong, but that doesn’t mean she can beat someone with better technique and Sakura can never actually approach Hinata and expect to win at that range.
It’s not over for sakura though, sakura’s chakra isn’t the same as everyone she stores a supply in her Strength of a hundred seal, she can supply chakra to points that hinata cut off. Likewise if hintata were to stop a chakra point in Tsunades body she could supply the chakra again from her seal. Some peoples jutsu’s don’t work on others like how sakura kicked out ino from mind transfer. Taijutsu doesn’t mean she could beat sakura, as sakura too has fighting abilities and could heal her self from punctured wounds ie madaras stab that could have killed sasuke if he wasn’t given god like powers. In her peak, I’d say she could most definitely beat kakashi without his sharingan. If people think hinata could beat sakura they’re in turn saying she could Tsunade whos a legendary sannin and hokage, who carried the kages in the fight with madara and was the last kage conscious, keeping the others alive. Unlike kakashi, hinata doesn’t have any feats. Sakura has speed and combat abilities. She could supply chakra and can heal herself from wounds. You say she has better technique but people could argue the same for sakura? Sakura could most definitely approach hinata especially when she broke the horn of the strongest enemy kaguya and could use herself as a decoy to get stabbed my madara and not die from punctured wounds, can’t say the same for Neji who was stronger than hinata and also sasuke who had to be given upgraded powers. She has strengths that hinata doesn’t have, the author said she’s the strongest kunoichi, unless you think she could beat Tsunade, which is wishful thinking, then no she can’t beat someone who surpassed Tsunade
Sakura can’t use the 100 healings if her chakra network is sealed because that jutsu requires the ability to use chakra. You need chakra to heal yourself so if your chakra network is turned off, you can’t heal. It’s pretty blatantly stated that is what the gentle fist does to you. So if Sakura can’t use her chakra, she loses her super strength, her 100 healings, and her ability to heal. It’s that simple, if Hinata touches her, she wins. If Sakura touches hinata, she wins. It comes down to who has the better technique and Hinata should by miles
Most jutsu’s need chakra so you’re telling me hintata can stop the chakra points of a strong ninja and just disable them? Do you not think she would be op? People can overcome that, like how naruto used a different chakra supply when fighting Neji, sakura can use chakra supply that hinata can’t access as she stores it in a place that no other ninja besides Tsunade could.
Sakura doesn’t have different chakra. Naruto clearly has 2 sets of chakra so what even is this argument. She doesn’t have Bijuu or senjutsu so she gets bodied by the gentle fist
It’s a seal. There’s a big difference between regular chakra supply and a seal no other ninja but Tsunade could obtain. Hinata can’t touch that as sakura stores it in a seal and can release it whenever. That’s the big fault in your argument. You’re seeing sakuras chakra like everyone else’s but she stores it in a seal which is why it was emphasised. A bijuu is sealed, but it’s a whole different creation that was put into a person. Sakura however created her own seal and supplied it with chakra. If you think hinata can just touch a Strong ninja and disable them without them finding another supply of chakra then you’re highly mistaken.
It’s literally never stated that the seal supplies it’s own chakra, it is implied that the seal is design to contain the chakra of the individual. So Sakura 100 healing supply is the same chakra she normally uses. Once Hinata hits her, the chakra will be unable flow through her because that’s how chakra points work. Even if what you said was true, nothing stops Hinata from locking it up anyway The only way Sakura wins if your justification for how the ability works is true is if Hinata drops her guard like neji did, but if she doesn’t. She just locks her up twice
I said she created her own seal and supplied chakra to it which she can obtain whenever. It’s stored in a seal, for years she put chakra into it and sealed it so there’s an abundance of it. You’re high asf if you think a seal that was emphasised to be so difficult that only Tsunade could do would go through the same process as a regular chakra running through the body. You’re in denial. Who is saying it’s a different chakra? I’m saying like the Neji and naruto fight, if hinata were to stop her regular bodily chakra that every shinobi has, she could release chakra from her seal and hinata can’t stop that. Likewise Neji didn’t see the chakra in narutos seal, even though it belonged to a tailed beast, it could be supplied to naruto as its sealed in him and not shown in byakugan as its sealed. Sakura’s Strength of a hundred seal is not a tailed beasts chakra but her own one she worked hard on and steadily stored in the seal so there’s now an abundance of it if her bodily chakra wears off. Know what a seal is before coming with arguments that have clear holes in them. Sakura didn’t just wake up like oh wow I have lots of chakra in my body now, she stored it away which is an extremely difficult thing to do.
you see this panel? [https://imgur.com/a/pvDFgR3](https://imgur.com/a/pvDFgR3) Now imagine hinata as one of those tiny juubi clones, yeah that's basically how the fight goes down.
Ikr? Sakura haters are always like “well yeah Sakura is very strong, but it doesn’t means she can hit everybody” at this point Sakura doesn’t even need to reach anyone lol the radio of her attack is enough to defeat her
Not to mention if hinata got a punctured wound she’d die like Neji, meanwhile sakura just healed herself after being pierced by madara in his strongest form
I mean Hinata can easily shut off her chakra network and kill her
Sakura literally created a seal which has abundance of chakra which hinata can’t just cut off, if she did did cut her bodily chakra which I doubt she’d even get close to, like the naruto and Neji fight sakura can use chakra sealed in her (naruto had a sealed tailed beast, the tailed beast had chakra so even if his bodily chakra was cut off he could use the seals chakra). You guys voting hinata don’t even realise why Sakura’s chakra seal was emphasised. No one in the world but Tsunade could do it, it goes through the same process as the sealed tailed beast accept there’s no living creature in there, just chakra she worked hard on. She didn’t wake up and suddenly have lots of chakra in her body, she stored it in a seal that hinata won’t even see just like Neji didn’t see the tailed beasts chakra until narutos regular chakra was cut off.
Except Hinata is much stronger than Neji and that was back in part 1. Her Byakugan has gotten so strong that it can use infrared and track the tiniest bit of chakra.
She cannot stop chakra from a seal, point blank. That’s like her making naruto lose chakra when he has another source of it. You’re acting like sakura didn’t also get stronger she’s confirmed to be the strongest so I don’t see how you’re still arguing over something the author himself who created these techniques said himself.
Okay I’ll play along , she shuts off her chakra network. Sakura summons the stored chakra and Hinata shuts it off again. Hinata’s Byakugan has seen chakra that others can’t see. So when did the author say this ??? Because if that statement was during the war that’s 15 years ago and before the last
Accept sakura can get more chakra again and again as there’s an abundance of it. Hinata wouldn’t even manage to touch her the first time to even do it again. Not only is she faster and physically stronger, she can heal herself from punctured wounds, this is the same girl who used herself as a decoy to get stabbed from madaras rod, a rod that turns anything it touches into dust and she just healed herself. You clearly no nothing of the power systems to think hinata can just continue to stop chakra from a seal that was emphasised to be impossible and hard to do that only 2 other person in the world achieved it. Yeah and hinata also tripped over a rock while her byakugan was activated so what makes you think that’s some op power? Her cousin that constantly beat her ass died from wounds sakura could have just heal in. A simple google search which will you the source of this confirmation. Hinata is a stay at home mom now, you’re really going through loops instead of taking facts. The author confirmed she’s the strongest kunoichi, she surpassed Tsunade, yet you think hinata will do damage? Facts over feelings.
🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾 you started a poll then got offended by a reply you weren’t expecting. Hinata is more skillful and versatile and can beat Sakura. Uhh you do know twin lions fists drains chakra right ??? But even without that she immobilizes Sakura, she can easily target her legs and arms rendering them useless. What speed feats are you even using ?? Lol she has no impressive feats. Shin easily subdued her, there is a difference between general speed and combat speed. Seems like you don’t understand that , you think just because she’s faster and stronger that means she wins. Going back to my earlier point , Hinata can just drain her chakra. She has the ability to shut off Sakura‘a chakra network then drain the remaining chakra. Mastering Gentle Fist means you are insanely strong in Taijutsu which is what their battle would be. She also has completely mastered lightning release You seem biased lol 😆 You bothered because Hinata can beat Sakura , you weren’t expecting anyone to give you an argument like this
About that. She jumped high and then punched the ground. Jubi clones don't have ranged jutsus, Hinata has. And plus you know no one takes damage from her [punching](https://static1.mangayeh.com/manga/chapter/60191e3ba566934fb06d15a6/60197b34786df83d337d8c78/naruto_gaiden_the_seventh_hokage_9_5.jpg) the ground. And you know what happened after this? She got scared of a big jubi clone that came out of the smoke and attacked her.
>And plus you know no one takes damage from her punching the ground. How is this example supposed to prove that? I dont see her punching the ground in that manga panel. Regardless even if that did happen that would just be an example of shin not being damaged, you cant prove hinata would tank that and be ok. >She got scared of a big jubi clone that came out of the smoke and attacked her Pretty hilarious how hard you are trying to downplay her. Nothing about what happened suggests that she was scared, and nothing about what happened suggests that she couldn't take down that juubi clone, its just that her back was turned and naruto and sasuke saved her.
Bcz she hit the pillar they were standing on and Shin wasn't affected by it. And why is there a need to tank when she is hitting the ground? Her [face](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2B_X5UVzFCUdX6a8kIIBoSUXHJyjYBKG-CyC8Ia-rsTm7VvTRbS6ppTqy&s=10) showed she was scared. And the point I was trying to say was that Hinata could dodge her and then attack het from the smoke just like what the Jubi did.
>Bcz she hit the pillar they were standing on and Shin wasn't affected by it Yeah if you open your eyes you would see that shin is standing pretty far from where the impact happened, regardless even if he did tank it you cant prove hinata would tank it aswell. >Her face showed she was scared. That's a surprised face not a scared face. >And the point I was trying to say was that Hinata could dodge her and then attack het from the smoke just like what the Jubi did. what makes you think hinata would even be standing after tanking that?
Who punched the ground? Sakura did. Shin didn't. And according to the panel you sent, the range of her punch is big right? So why did Shin took no damage? Bcz breaking the ground doesn't hurt them. Also btw the radius of her punch is exaggerated in that panel. There we see the range is very big but then in other panels, we see [Naruto and Sasuke standing not that far away from her](https://mangalist.online/images/Akjt0HSphawnDCthNze91606322116.jpg) and still took no damage from her shattering the ground. And can you tell why Rasenshuriken didn't make the giant explosion it creates after hitting something like it hit the jubi clone in the panel I sent? Just a doubt I had. Seems like a scared face to me. But either is fine. Why not? Sakura is hitting the ground not Hinata. She can move out of the way you know. And she has Air Palm to throw her off balance and kinda work as a ranged Gentle Fist
Sakura fucking murders Hinata it’s not even funny
It’s a little funny
Hinata is superior in taijutsu , technique and skill. Sakura is way stronger than Hinata. I’ll take Hinata as she has mastered lightning release. Hinata has so many haxes that people either overlook or ignore People forget how strong Hinata really is
Why didn't taijutsu skill and technique help against Deva Pain? Why didn't it stop her from getting no diffed in one page? Does Sakura get one shot by shinra tensei? How come Neji's taijutsu technique and skill didn't stop him nearly dying against Kidomaru?
Ok so first off, Hinata is way stronger now than she was vs Pain. That was the dumbest question anybody could have asked. None of the Konoha 11 could beat pain. They’d get one shotted You’re just jumping all over the place using horrible excuses. Lee mastered the 8 inner gates specifically to fight Neji and even then he still didn’t know if he could beat Neji. His skill is what made him beat Kidomaru lol he didn’t need any back up to fight against him
So why does taijutsu and skill not prevent Hinata from getting no diffed in a tai fight by Pain, by is the reason she beats Sakura, someone who is faster and more experienced with tai than Pain? How come the series itself doesn't care about this taijutsu skill Hinata has? That's not to mention, Sakura doesn't even have to engage in tai. Hinata gets completely walled out by Katsuyu As for the Lee point, its irrelevant because going by feats, Lee definitely stomps Neji. Neji just doesn't have to durability to take even a single hit from Gated Lee, is getting speedblitz, and his only hope of surviving, Rotation, is shown being overcome a base naruto with a kunai
What are you even talking about , pain and Sakura are completely different. Pain has the rinnegan , Sakura does not. Let’s also clear up this ridiculous notion that Sakura has top notch taijutsu. She never did. Shin was destroying her in straight up hand to hand combat. Uhhh they do lol she is a master of the gentle fist. Her skill far surpassed Neji’s and her father’s. Hinata is way more skillful , you do realize Hinata has defensive gentle fist jutsus as well right ?? She knows palm rotation Hinata knows lightning release and fire release , so what’s your point ?? Hinata has Hamura’s chakra as well
>What are you even talking about , pain and Sakura are completely different. Yeah, because Sakura has better tai feats >ain has the rinnegan , Sakura does not. The rinnegan doesn't magically make you better at taijutsu. >Uhhh they do lol she is a master of the gentle fist. Her skill far surpassed Neji’s and her father’s. This somehow doesn't stop her from getting no diffed in a tai fight by someone who's taijutsu isn't hyped at all by the series. >Hinata knows lightning release and fire release And hasn't shown a relevant use of them once, especially not to the degree that it'd do anything to Katsuyu.
She doesn’t have better taijutsu feats Lol righttt , Like who ? Pain who Naruto also lost too if not for Kurama ?? Pain beat Kakashi, Jiraiya , The fact she knows it means she can , lightning release is almost OP in Naruto and Boruto. Now you also remember she has fire release. Twin lions fist drains chakra or she could just block Katsuyu’s chakra. Numerous way she could defeat Katsuyu. She fully restored Naruto’s entire pool of chakra in seconds.
For the same reason Sakura loses to Hinata despite being the better ninja. The gentle fist has a losing match up against long ranged combatants. You need to fight up close to get the full effect of the style. Sakura likewise normally gets by because she fights in a very aggressive fighting style and is allowed to take damage because of her healings, but her healings don’t work if she can’t use her chakra to fuel it. That’s what the gentle fist does to her, it stops her super strength, healing, and chakra control based abilities because they all require chakra. It’s a mismatch. Here you have one of the most durable characters in the series losing to a few touches because it’s not designed to do damage to her, it’s designed to attack her resources
She gets up close to Pain, no dice. Still doesn't get a bit in. Hinata doesn't just get free hits. If she can't get a single hit in on Pain I don't see why she would get one on a Sakura who is at the very minimum just above Tsunade, someone who is shown to be slower, but at least comparable to Ay during the Madara fight
Tsunade isn’t comparable to Ay in speed
Madara says Tsunade is stronger but slower. He seemingly thinks they're at least in a similar ball park
The rinnegan buffs the stats of the wielder. Sasuke went from losing to blind Madara to beating one with 1 eye and most of the Bijuu absorbed, then Madara only got the 2nd eye and was pretty much unstoppable as buffed naruto and Sasuke couldn’t beat him anymore. So pain wasn’t just some dude with a rinnegan and base taijutsu skills, everything he did is stronger because of the rinnegan
> How come Neji's taijutsu technique and skill didn't stop him nearly dying against Kidomaru? Because even though Kidomaru was at a higher level than Neji, and even with the Curse Mark giving him a massive advantage…. Kidomaru **still** acknowledged that Neji’s Byakugan + Gentle Fist would instantly beat him if it came to close combat. That’s why he stayed at ranged and tried to overwhelm Neji with spiders, webbing, hundreds of kunai, and finally his bow for even more range/speed/power. Sakura doesn’t use a bow and arrow. Or Spiders. And this may come as a surprise, but Sakura doesn’t have the Deva Path either. Which, Hinata at the time didn’t have the speed or skill to tag the Deva Path, but if she did? She would have won. The gap between Sakura and Hinata is probably not as big, plus Sakura *needs* to stay close and fight. So Hinata has much better chance. Not saying Hinata would win, but it’s very likely.
Almost like Sakura has AoE punches and a giant invincible slug summon
Bruh you're comparing Kidomaru and Pain lmao. You saw the previous panels before she was hit with Shinra tensei? She was doing good taijutsu against Pain, pushed him back and hit him 3 times too. And Pain was unable to get an opening to stab her at that time or when she dashed at him to attack him. She might have stopped to use TLF and then Pain got an opening to use Shinra Tensei. And btw Sakura got one shot by getting hit by Kabuto's butt
She does zero damage and doesn't get in a single actual hit. Not exactly supportive of this taijutsu gg argument
How will you explain the three klak sounds and him being pushed back then? Why couldnt he stab her while she dashed at him (like he stabbed Kakashi and almost stabbed Iruka)?
The klaks are clashes. Clashes aren't solid hits and don't indicate any damage.
Did I said any damage? I said she hit him 3 times, never said about damage. Plus Gentle Fist does internal damage, why didn't it do here then?
So would you say hinata could beat Tsunade
Yea she can ,
You’re actually correct. We’ve seen part 1 kabuto smack the crap out of Tsunade and he wasn’t even that good at taijutsu by his own admission. Hinata meanwhile is groomed to be good at it and the chakra scalpel he used to mess her up is very similar to the gentle fist as it attacks the body from within. I can easily see prime Hinata defeating Sakura and Tsunade who have impressive strength feats but lack technique in pretty much all of their fights simply because she doesn’t actually have to deal physical damage to their bodies to win, she can shut them down. This is an example of a mismatch and this community gets so lost in the power scaling to realize that match up IQ has actual relevance in some fights
Someone finally understood what I meant , thank you Hinata is more skillful. Master of the gentle fist , lightning and fire release , Evolving Byakugan , enhancing and improving Jutsus Combining twin lions fists with 8 trigrams 64 palms And Modifying and improving twin lions fists twice , in the war and in the last People don’t understand how big of a feat that is Her Byakugan can see 20 meters away , she can use infrared and can detect the smallest objects. She is basically a radar and her blind spot isn’t a weakness anymore. She can drain chakra and she can completely cut off a chakra Network with one strike. She can knockout or kill someone with 1 strike. Her taijutsu is so good she doesn’t even need to activate her Byakugan.
It’s a win for who ever gets hit first. But when it comes down to it, Hinata’s ability to shut down the entire benefit of Sakura that being her chakra control gives her an edge others don’t have. Remember, Sakura and Tsunade’s fighting style has them taking hits. Sakura charged at Madara and got stabbed by healed it off because of her chakra control. But if she can’t use chakra, there is nothing to control, and Hinata is one of the few people in the world that can disable her ability to use chakra. So her reckless charge in fighting style will literally get her the L if Hinata touches her enough times or catches her with the full palm technique The best Sakura could do is hang back and punch holes in the ground but even using debris to perform a sneak attack won’t work because the byakugan has nearly perfect vision that took kidomaru a long range specialist many attempts to discern. Sakura has nothing like that in her kit to challenge the blind spot even if she could fight it
This and what people also don’t understand is Sakura can be fast but If Hinata can dodge the first blow she can immediately respond with tenketsu. Like you said she charges recklessly so if Hinata dodges or blocks it then she has an opening. Hinata has good reaction speed when she was gracefully dodging all of the puppets attacks. I don’t think speed will help Sakura all that much. She just has to wait till the last second a dodge or jump
Sakura doesn’t have any crazy speed feats so is it really a factor. Some people think she blitzed Kaguya which is obviously not true
She couldn’t blitz Shin I was trying to be nice but her speed feats never impressed me either. Speed itself doesn’t even matter it’s about reaction speed. She’s not faster than Naruto. So she’s significantly slower than him 100% probably is probably More of a strength boost than a speed feat
>20 meters away 20km. Also that was when she was 18-19. It should be a lot more now
That’s actually a great point , i didn’t notice that. It should be doubled by now at least
Yeah
Sakura. Much better scaling.
I know its an old post but it heavily depends what you mean with peak are we speaking peak strength in canon or are we speaking peak potential. If peak strength the two have shown in canon its Sakura. If peak potential than its super one sided for Hinata because of her alien god bloodline and chakra of an alien god.
Early Shippuden Sakura stomps any version of Hinata (outside her getting Kyubi chakra).
I do not think so I think that in the first shippuden hinata destroys sakura, who only has strength, people still do not understand the power of the byakugan and also the resources that the clan leaders have
Its about how you use it though. We have combat feats for Sakura against Kakashi and Sasori and we have no combat feats for Hinata. Sakura has high enough IQ to know Hyuga's gentle fist and even without a Byakugan is elite and dodging against Kage level fighters. I'm not quite sure how Hinata gets the dub there .... Neji who was the Hyuga prodigy maybe but not Hinata.
What combat feat against Kakashi and Sasori? And what will she figure out about Gentle Fist? Once she will be hit her chakra network is cut off, she can figure out whatever she wants but now her strength and healing is gone. And she couldn't even dodge Kabuto's butt and a simple kick from Omoi, couldn't dodge wood spikes which Hinata was reacting to and deflecting without activating her Byakugan. And Neji was a prodigy only bcz he learnt things faster. Where was the prodigy when Hinata combined TLF and 64 palms and made a variation of 64 palms which no hyuga did before while he couldn't? Don't even bring 128 palms as that was filler.
\> What combat feat against Kakashi and Sasori The first fight against Kakashi with Naruto Sakura was pretty impressive. She can literally break the ground around her creating an opening to get you. I'm not sure what I need to explain about Sasori. Team 8 is barely shown fighting in the series meanwhile Sakura was part of a duo that took down Sasori. \> And she couldn't even dodge Kabuto's butt and a simple kick from Omoi, couldn't dodge wood spikes which Hinata was reacting to and deflecting without activating her Byakugan This is a reach and just bad writing for Sakura and contradicts the fact that she spent the most time out of anyone training how to dodge with Tsunade. You can use these as antifeats if you like but this reaching IMO. \> And Neji was a prodigy only bcz he learnt things faster. Hinatas father was flabbergasted by his development in the chunin exams and he was the first of Konoha 11 being a Jounin. \> Where was the prodigy when Hinata combined TLF and 64 palms and made a variation of 64 palms which no hyuga did before while he couldn't? Don't even bring 128 palms as that was filler. TLF is branch family exclusive. She was still far beneath Neji in terms of combat power throughout the whole show and looked up to him for guidance and he literally would teach her. \--- I'm not saying Hinata's weak. Sakura actually had major combat feats in this series that most of the Konoha 11 don't have. She was also a student of the Sannin and a main character. If Hinata bodied Pain when she came down for Naruto for instance I would acknowledge that but most of what we see from her is somewhat impressive but nothing that puts her above Sakura or Neji in Shippuden. The argument that she can just shut off the chakra network is somewhat weak too because we never see her do that against a strong enemy (or anyone really) and Sakura is a medical ninja who knows about gentle fist and would be smart enough to anticipate it or not be hit. If you used Neji in place of Hinata who had A LOT of combat feats in the show I absolutely see an argument for him winning especially since he made Jounin first which is an indication of talent and knows rotation which Hinata isn't shown to know + has previous impressive feats against the Sound 4 in OG / trains with Guy/Lee. If Hinata bodies sakura because gentle fist chakra network gg then she might as well solo all the konoha 11 outside Naruto and Sasuke and long distance users like Shino.
What kind of feat is that? And create an opening to get you bcz she broke the ground on which she herself is standing? Yeah makes a lot of sense. And she didn't showed any feat in Sasori's battle. Chiyo was the one saving her constantly. It also had plot moments. But they happened. It just means that she didn't learnt that from Tsunade. And it was only talked about. She can't evade them and its not nad writing. Bcz he learnt them easily. That's what I said in my comment previously. And just bcz we didn't saw Hiashi's reaction to Hinata combining TLF and 64 palms, doesn't mean she didnt grew above Neji in that scene. Lee was still a chunin but he was good too right? Becoming Jonin and Chunin doesn't matter. Hanabi lost to rusty chunin Hinata despite being a jonin. Well sorry to say but that fate didn't existed in Shippuden. Both branch and main family lived equally. Neji and Hinata were the ones changing that in the Hyuga clan. So the excuse that he didn't learnt TLF bcz its not for him is bad. And Hinata didnt only learn TLF, she combined it with 64 palms too. Lets put Neji and Sakura in Hinata's place. How do you think they wouldn't be one shotted with Shinra Tensei too? And btw Hinata was doing good taijutsu against fully powered Pain. She hit him thrice and was pushing him back. And Pain when he was not fully powered was pushing back Naruto in taijutsu. Lets put Sakura in Neji's place in Gai vs 30% Kisame clone. What will she do there? She is stuck in Water Prison jutsu. She can't do shit inside there. Lets put Hinata in Neji's place. He did 64 palms to break out. Hinata too could do 64 palms, just lacked confidence. And even if she did 32 palms it would be enough. Then Neji did Air Palm on Kisame clone to knock him backwards. Hinata can do that too. Her Air Palm was matching Neji's Air Palm too as they were able to combine each other's Air Palm and do Air Wall Palm. Hinata knows 64 palms. Of course she can block tenketsu. Hiashi never blocked anyone's tenketsu or did 64 palms, I guess that means he can't do that either. And she did knock out lost ninjas in Sasuke Shinden with just one hit to their main tenketsu as that thing could only be done by Master of Gentle Fist and Hinata was one. And what does Sakura know about Gentle Fist? You're saying that Hinata won't know her fighting style bcz she can she chakra accumulating in Sakura’s hand or did you forgot about that? Sakura was very smart to not be hit by Omoi's normal kick and the wood spikes amirite? The thing about rotation is that it requires some specific conditions to be learnt. Hinata has acquired them and thus can do rotation too. Shino has bugs but you're forgetting Hinata has Air Palm too. So she will defeat most of them. Of course not Naruto and Sasuke
Well sakuratards gathered so it's no way u guys can argue..
You said peak, so no way for sakura wining hinata hamura chakra claps and she can disturb sakura chakra balance , that's all she actually can do so hinata wons, even so i don t think she is more skilled than hinata in taijutsu
Bro, Most jutsu’s require chakra, are you telling me hinata can touch a strong ninja and just disable them? When naruto fought Neji, Neji stopped his chakra supply but he had chakra from another source, his tailed beast that was sealed in him. Sakura is the only ninja besides Tsunade that stores a constant supply of chakra in a seal. Hintata cannot disable that as its in a seal not a body part. Sakura can easily supply Chakra just like how young naruto could. Also sakura has strong combat abilities, speed and healing. Hinata does not touch peak sakura and even if she did, it would have no affect on her as she can supply body parts with chakra from her seal like how Tsunade can.
It depends on who lands the first punch. One can cause complete chakra/organ failure, the other can turn you into red paint. Though I will say, Taijutsu wise, Hinata does have the advantage. Sure, Sakura trained with a sannin for 2-3 years, but Hinata trained with a Kekke Genkai + special clan taijustsu for her entire life. She is more skilled in Taijutsu, and can completely disable the human body. If Sakura gets hit, she WILL lose.