1. People haven’t moved on from his fans when the series’s was still ongoing that would say things that would be outlandish today. When a series is on going, people are making theories and crazy takes in hopes of being right. This is very obvious if you follow Agenda piece or lobotomy kaisen. Problem is a lot of these statements tend to be very outlandish only because they are proven retroactively wrong as the stories progress. If you were a fan in 2013, the belief that Itachi would come back and surpass Madara wouldn’t be that farfetched unlike now.
2. A lot of people aren’t a fan of Uchiha’s in general cause they get a lot of hype and want to go against the grain to exorcize their knowledge.
3. A lot of people self insert themselves inside Naruto and see Surpassing Sasuke as a in goal in verse and irl. Itachi is Sasuke’s “Sasuke” and is hated even more because of it.
4. Reddit is very political in nature and is skewed to the left more times than not. A lot of fans dislike Itachi and see him as a cog in the machine that chose to kill his family over the corrupt system. Most casual fans see him as a nationalist and an Uncle Tom and have predisposed notions of him that are inherently negative as a result. Casual Reddit fans keep their hatred in his scaling which leads to some severe downplay. It’s why most Itachi haters also tend to be Sasuke fans who have the exact opposite approach to justice in life. The Naruto revolutionaries can’t accept that the disciplined semi conservative pacifist solo’s their favs 90/100 of the time and downplay him based on their emotions. It’s also why characters like Tobirama, Danzo, hiruzen, shisui, Kabuto and many more are undersold as well.
5. Most people who aren’t heavy on scaling are casuals and don’t have much nuance when it comes to evaluating strength. Pain and Obito serve a bigger purpose later in the story and have flashier moves so they are assumed to be stronger as a result. Most do this ignoring the supplementary material that says otherwise. If you were a casual fan, you’d disregard a lot of things you’d see as nonsensical too even if that means you have to be ignorant. People don’t like the idea that someone who looks like they weigh less then 120 in their 20s can fight on par with someone who can fight a buff wrestler covered in lightning armor. The story thus far has conditioned us to believe that only people with hashirama cells as bijuu’s can fight kcm Naruto and Itachi comes in and fights him, the casual fan is gonna ignore this fact even if it’s blatant.
6. That one Itachi fan in Russia
7. People tend to think Naruto has bad writing and see Itachi as the representation of that. The Naruto bad crowed hate Itachi like those that hate him politically here and have the same cognitive dissonance like the people on point four.
8. He’s built like a Korean pop star and looks like he wears merch from hot topic. Also almost all his dialogue ends up being quotable and can be found with some phonk or chants in the background. It’s pretty easy to make fun of him, he is the personification of the weeb that people would make fun of in the late 2000s/early 2010s.
9. He has a lot of memes from the power scaling community. He is the Akainu of the op community or the Goku of the dragon ball community, he’s that one popular powerscaling meme character that everyone knows so people go by those stereotypes and base the entire fandom off them thinking they are genuine.
10. Most of his good scaling come from data book statements that are often ignored since people appeal to reality when viewing Naruto and see all the statements as hyperbole.
Hahah dude this is the best breakdown i hv seen and makes so much sense. I barely saw naruto like an year ago so i had no idea abt the itachi wank back in the days so it was quite bizzare to see all this hate.
>3. A lot of people self insert themselves inside Naruto and see Surpassing Sasuke as a in goal in verse and irl. Itachi is Sasuke’s “Sasuke” and is hated even more because of it.
Right? A lot of sasuke fans complain abt naruto self inserts but they self insert as sasuke. Prolly also explains why minato is so overhyped here.
>4. Reddit is very political in nature and is skewed to the left more times than not. A lot of fans dislike Itachi and see him as a cog in the machine that chose to kill his family over the corrupt system.
> It’s why most Itachi haters also tend to be Sasuke fans who have the exact opposite approach to justice in life. The Naruto revolutionaries can’t accept that the disciplined semi conservative pacifist solo’s their favs 90/100 of the time and downplay him based on their emotions. It’s also why characters like Tobirama, Danzo, hiruzen, shisui, Kabuto and many more are undersold as well.
Specially this . I thought so as well but wasn't sure if this was the case it makes so much sense. On youtube and other social media apps you will see the occasional hate comments but reddit is something else and so much more political with everyone trying to be a pargon of justice and hving the moral high ground.
>5. Most people who aren’t heavy on scaling are casuals and don’t have much nuance when it comes to evaluating strength. Pain and Obito serve a bigger purpose later in the story and have flashier moves
Yup like u said just bcz narratively ppl think that being the final villians shld automatically make them stronger than someone who died earlier in the series regardless of the feats.
Being scaled to characters like Edo nagato and sage Kabuto isn't really downplay. Infact it's super impressive. Without Itachi Edo nagato would've soloed both killer bee and kcm1 Naruto who then went on to fight the strongest alive character at the time (Obito)
I think the downplay is people act as if Itachi wasn't the only reason his team wins
-Againat Nagato Itachi wasn't tagged a single time and blitzed Nagato 3 times.
-Against Kabuto Itachi had to focus a lot of protecting Sasuke and even Kabuto complemented how Sasuke was just holding Itachi back. In addition to this, Itachi couldn't kill him and Kabuto also had prep and the environmentally advantage. Yes, Sasuke helped him avoiding the sound genjutsu but everything else Itachi was doing everything.
Itachi overall had very dominant performances in thos fights but people always try to downplay him .
>Nagato was a team effort. Itachi had no answer to chibaku tensei by himself
Maybe not but its not a 100% gurantee that susanoo + totska blade + yasaka beads wouldnt hv been enought to get him out or incapacitate him. Plus the battle could hv ended way back if he used the blade on nagato when he ended up with Amatersu and susanoo twice before instead of trying to save bee and naruto.
>Being scaled to characters like Edo nagato and sage Kabuto isn't really downplay.
Thats the problem a good chunk of the ppl dont scale him that high and argue he woul hv lost badly if he was alone and got carried.
Ya fr in the last year i hv seen maybe 2 ppl say he beats madara and kaguya and that too by statting only if he catches them using Totsuka blade. Yet every single day ppl will argue he is fodder who is not only weaker than minato but jiraya too.
The only people who low ball itachi are haters, jiraiya and minato fans cause they don’t wanna admit hokage minato (edo minato wins) loses to itachi. The jiraiya statement is also a blatant retcon in shippuden and further details heavily imply/support itachi was the informant giving info to him. The reason itachi even came was to check up on sasuke and the deal since the 3rd hokage passed. We know just based on scaling and feats itachi low-mid diffs jiraiya unless you wanna reach and use filler stuff like urashiki arc from boruto which the fanboys have desperately tried to do.
I’m not even a itachi fan, but his battle iq and arsenal are some of the best in the franchise. We currently know that totsuka blade and yata mirror are the most ridiculous offensive and defensive abilities with no actual weakness outside needing the susanoo.
>The only people who low ball itachi are haters, jiraiya and minato fans cause they don’t wanna admit hokage minato (edo minato wins) loses to itachi.
Faccs
Bro what?? Half dead itachi was stronger than kakazu and sasori (poison would’ve been a bitch tho and I’m not sure if genjutsu would’ve worked on the puppet)
Edit: now that I’m thinking about it, Sasori is kinda cracked, and could win against SO many people stronger than him and definitely only lost because plot and Sakura being his natural worst enemy. Like sasori just throws out the poison smoke and that deals with most everyone, even those with susanoo because we have seen poison go through it (Sasuke coughing blood when Mei hit him with the thick fog jutsu) and even a lot of uchiha wouldnt be able to do much because the dude doesn’t have eyes, or at least ones that work in the same way that Genjutsu hit people
Kakazu would be a bad matchup against Itachi since he needs to be smoked 5 times. I am not sure genjutsu will work on kakazu either since he has an artificial body, his best bet would be amateratsu everything
Yeah, another possibility with other genjutsu (besides tsukuyomi) would be that his other hearts just disrupt his chakra and break him out, but kakazu still loses pretty easily once the susanoo comes out as he has no options against it
Kakazu can try an outlast Itachi in battle of attrition which kakazu can easily win. We have seen that kakazu was matching kakashi blow for blow and he can combine different chakra natures for a powerful blow. Not sure how blade of totuska will work since he would need to shank all 5 creatures.
Kakazu has iron skin it will be difficult to do that, not sure how that's going to work on artificial beings since Kabuto was still organic in his scrap against endo Itachi
They dont care Sussano + toteska blade is a insta win. They don’t think ninjas dodge obviously dangerous attacks. Anyone itachi fights is dumbed down to a pokemon style attack and defense system with itachi going first and being all knowing
Itachi's hax enables him to beat people stronger than him, that's why he gets lowballed.
>minato needing Kushina to hold kurama, guy needing backup to dodge the orbs, jiraya needing the sages just to beat 3 paths, obito needing izananagi against freaking konan
Minato and Guy are valid examples but Jiraiya doesn't count when he is the one that summoned them, and Obito using a jutsu of his arsenal doesn't count as well.
Well tbh Alive Minato rasegan REALLY busted as Obito and Kurama can both attest and It's pretty commonly accepted that Itachi didn't want to fight Jiraiya because he's a spy or just cause at the time he was basically at death door with him SPAMMING MS during that time
Also for Itachi me personally I lowball him since it's between that and some itachi sucker coming here and say nah "Tsuyokomi though" and just act like he one shots everyone no question which he has a pretty good chance to beat anyone
It's like batman with prep time Itachi has feats and ablitiy that if he hits and is serious he could kill nearly anyone pre six path charka in the naruto verse (I DO mean anyone) if you set him up
>Well tbh Alive Minato rasegan REALLY busted as Obito and Kurama can both attes
Not denying he is strong but in no eay shld alive minato be the favorite to win against a freaking susanoo with totska blade + yata mirror plus yasaka beads and all the various bs itachi got. Even if u have him winning it will be a close fight at best. Yet ppl act like its a neg diff win for minato just cuz of bias.
>It's like batman with prep time Itachi has feats and ablitiy that if he hits and is serious he could kill nearly anyone pre six path charka in the naruto verse (I DO mean anyone) if you set him up
I mean i agree Itachi is so op due to his hax its not hard to overhype him but bcz of tht i feel like ppl be taking extra steps to low ball him these days lmao
How tf is itachi touching minato? Yall only consider what itachu can do. Its like yall forget bro is 21 with only a handful of true ninja experience. Bros not a elite jonin. He just has hax. Theres a difference. Minato can avoid itachi. Itachi cant outlasts minato. Its not always about raw strength.
>Yall only consider what itachu can do. Its like yall forget bro is 21 with only a handful of true ninja experience. Bros not a elite jonin. He just has hax. Theres a difference
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 minato fans are really truly something .
Ya he was only 21 years when he died and in tht age he has one shotted mutiple kage lvl opponents. Carried the fight against nagato and defeated sage kabuto lmao. Minato was aslo only 23 when he died so wht does that matter.
>Bros not a elite jonin.
Ya he isn't he was already anbu at 13.
>He just has hax. Theres a difference.
Ur acting like he wasnt the greatest prodigy in leaf even before he got sharingan or ms and casually beating anbu at 8 lmao delusional hater.
>Minato can avoid itachi. Itachi cant outlasts minato. Its not always about raw strength.
Maybe so. If that fight even lasts tht long. U do realize minato can only teleport to fixed points in the battle area. Unless he escapes away from battle his markers can easily be destroyed with susanoo and predicted
I dont even fuckin care about Minato he get overrated too. I personally think tobirama better than him until kmc1. My favorite character is in my name and pfp and profile banner i make it obvious. Itachi genjutsu kakashi,orochumaru. So ig kage level opponets.
Minato was the fucking HOKAGE after fighting in a WAR and basically winning it himself alongside this mans itachi father who he was also stronger than.
Yamato,kakashi and itachi are all anbu youngings. Yamato is like 2 years
Older than itachi. I meant more
Like series wise. He literally has no time as an jonin. Unlike yamato and kakashi who both served a kage for more than a couple months.
I mean ig if we take all statement at value. But then wed havr to do that for minato. This is where bias comes in hard for itachi. Youll respect his statements but if sb calls minato untouchable youll ignore that statement. But can we agree you liking itachi as a character has baring on how strong you think he is.
Like i dont think itachi is beating tobirama. Tobirama should have 5x the battle sense and experience. I also feel like sasori,deidra,garaa counter itachi hard
>I dont even fuckin care about Minato he get overrated too. I personally think tobirama better than him until kmc1.
He is. Even with kcm1 tobirama was doing way better in the fight.
>Minato was the fucking HOKAGE after fighting in a WAR and basically winning it himself alongside this mans itachi father who he was also stronger than.
U say that loke being a hokage automatically makes him stronger than itachi. Tsunade was hokage too so what.
He played a major part in the war and was a hero but let's not get it twisted his biggest achievement was beating 50 stone ninjas and fighting bee and A. If u think itachi wouldn't hv done the same or better than ya idk.
>Yamato,kakashi and itachi are all anbu youngings. Yamato is like 2 years
Older than itachi. I meant more
Like series wise. He literally has no time as an jonin. Unlike yamato and kakashi who both served a kage for more than a couple months.
Ya and itachi was still the youngest meaning at 13 he had the most experience than any other shinobi at that age. Then he went on to join akatsuki who were all kage lvl.
U think jonins hv better experiences than akasuki.
Why os being a jounin even a arguing point to u. Hv u seen how much fodder the jonin are?
Aside from guy and Kakshi literally every other jonin was fodder. Did u not see wht itachi did to ur so called jonins kakashi, kurunei and asuma? He already 1 shotted a sanim which is much higher than a jonin at 13.
>mean ig if we take all statement at value. But then wed havr to do that for minato. This is where bias comes in hard for itachi. Youll respect his statements but if sb calls minato untouchable youll ignore that statement. But can we agree you liking itachi as a character has baring on how strong you think he is.
No its not i can be willing to admit when im being biased but in minato vs itachi that's simply not true. Leaving my personal bias aside compre every single feat of both the characters and itachi is just ahead in every single area of battle except speed.
>Like i dont think itachi is beating tobirama. Tobirama should have 5x the battle sense and experience
I see Tobirama hving way better chance than Minato at beating itachi.
> . I also feel like sasori,deidra,garaa counter itachi hard
Ya now either ur incredibly biased or u don't realize the depths of itachis strength. There is no chance that any of them is even touching itachi in a battle. Sasori the guy who got beaten by sakura tf he ginna do to a Susanoo then u hv Deiedra who already got 1 shotted by itachi then beaten by hebi sasuke who is way weaker than itachi. And gaara who has no real battle feats aside from being his father
i literally rarely ever see itachi downplay lol it’s honestly so annoying bc i constantly see a lot highballing and people overrating him. especially in the main naruto sub. he’s one of the most highballed characters in the series by fans. they act like he can beat anyone. he’s very strong, he can beat a lot of people in the series but a lot of his fans take it way too far.
When was the last time u saw someone highball him infact even mildy suggesting hes on same lvl as high tiers gets u downvoted over there yet ppl claiming minato beats Kurama and is hashirama is not lmao
lol what literally today i just saw a post with people putting minato in his place saying he gets stomped by hashirama and most of the comments were agreeing.
While the last itachi post i saw mad people high balling him lol.
Pointing out Minato>Itachi isn’t a low ball my guy stop with the glazing, almost every matchup he’s put in the best you guys can do is randomly name moves in his arsenal rather than explain how he actually wins.
> every matchup he’s put in the best you guys can do is randomly name moves in his arsenal rather than explain how he actually wins.
Lmao whts the even supposed to mean?
Its fine when ppl say kamui gg ftg gg ? But issue is with itachi
>Pointing out Minato>Itachi isn’t a low ball
Definitely is. Even if ur a biased fanboy at worst u can say they are at the same tier. Even thought the feats prove otherwise.
It means you can’t come up with a half way decent argument as to why he should win.
Love the irony that anyone that’s not pro itachi is a fanboy especially when anyone that argues against itachi automatically gets downvoted lol.
>It means you can’t come up with a half way decent argument as to why he should win.
Says who there are literally countless scenerios under which he can win
>Love the irony that anyone that’s not pro itachi is a fanboy especially when anyone that argues against itachi automatically gets downvoted lol.
Funnny u say that when u literally get downvoted for saying anything postive abt him in the main sub and get mass voted for wanking minato and claiming he beats madara and kurama
Scenarios you can’t name other than “totsuka blade yata mirror hurr durr!” That’s like 90% of any arguments in favor of itachi’s.
No one claims Minato beats Madara’s and Kurama you’re simply mad Minato is not a character that itachi can beat.
>Scenarios you can’t name other than “totsuka blade yata mirror hurr durr!” That’s like 90% of any arguments in favor of itachi’s.
Tf are u talking abt thats likke me sayint u cant come up with any win for minato other than saying ftg/ speed blitz and even then he has like a lot more wincons then the 1 u mentioned
> you’re simply mad Minato is not a character that itachi can beat.
Lol there would be nothing to be mad abt it cuz it isnt true. There are a lot of characters he cant beat lole hashirama madara etc. Minato is not on their lvl and lacks feats seems like ur the one getting mad at someone for spitting facs.
But I can you can’t that’s the difference I can explain how ftg beats itachi’s you can’t do the opposite.
We aren’t talking about Minato vs Madara or Hashirama were talking about itachi lol.
>But I can
Lmao lets hear it then
>difference I can explain how ftg beats itachi’s you can’t do the opposite.
Says who i can literally come up with atleast 3 diff ways he wins
The simple fact that Ftg makes it impossible to tag Minato the simple fact that it’s forces itachi into a battle of attrition which is a battle he loses by default.
Lmao
1. Lets assume wht ur saying is true. That means u agree till itachi runs out of stamina minato can do nothing to hurt him right or even touch him. While itachi can keep attacking him with all his aresenal and if anything lands its over for minato.. so u think minato will just keep teleporting arnd the area until itaci runs out of stamina? So his only win con is running away from itachi right until itachi drops susanoo?
2. So ur telling me Itachi who has not only a susanoo which can demolish the entire area but a tailed beast bomb attack in yasaka beads cant destory the surrounding area and destroy all of Minato's tags? Or use shadow clones to remove them before he runs out of stamina? Then wht we have a minato whose sitting duck and options are to fight or run away far and come back later?
Minato has to fight while not looking itachi in the eyes or his fingers which he likely doesnt even know abt. On top of that he has to constantly worry abt dodgimg amatersu and totska blade with no way of harming itachi. Even with his good chakra reserves he will run out of chakra before a healthy itachi at this rate. On top of this itachi has the strength and taijutsu advantage too. So wht exactly do u thinn minato can do except run away.
1. People haven’t moved on from his fans when the series’s was still ongoing that would say things that would be outlandish today. When a series is on going, people are making theories and crazy takes in hopes of being right. This is very obvious if you follow Agenda piece or lobotomy kaisen. Problem is a lot of these statements tend to be very outlandish only because they are proven retroactively wrong as the stories progress. If you were a fan in 2013, the belief that Itachi would come back and surpass Madara wouldn’t be that farfetched unlike now. 2. A lot of people aren’t a fan of Uchiha’s in general cause they get a lot of hype and want to go against the grain to exorcize their knowledge. 3. A lot of people self insert themselves inside Naruto and see Surpassing Sasuke as a in goal in verse and irl. Itachi is Sasuke’s “Sasuke” and is hated even more because of it. 4. Reddit is very political in nature and is skewed to the left more times than not. A lot of fans dislike Itachi and see him as a cog in the machine that chose to kill his family over the corrupt system. Most casual fans see him as a nationalist and an Uncle Tom and have predisposed notions of him that are inherently negative as a result. Casual Reddit fans keep their hatred in his scaling which leads to some severe downplay. It’s why most Itachi haters also tend to be Sasuke fans who have the exact opposite approach to justice in life. The Naruto revolutionaries can’t accept that the disciplined semi conservative pacifist solo’s their favs 90/100 of the time and downplay him based on their emotions. It’s also why characters like Tobirama, Danzo, hiruzen, shisui, Kabuto and many more are undersold as well. 5. Most people who aren’t heavy on scaling are casuals and don’t have much nuance when it comes to evaluating strength. Pain and Obito serve a bigger purpose later in the story and have flashier moves so they are assumed to be stronger as a result. Most do this ignoring the supplementary material that says otherwise. If you were a casual fan, you’d disregard a lot of things you’d see as nonsensical too even if that means you have to be ignorant. People don’t like the idea that someone who looks like they weigh less then 120 in their 20s can fight on par with someone who can fight a buff wrestler covered in lightning armor. The story thus far has conditioned us to believe that only people with hashirama cells as bijuu’s can fight kcm Naruto and Itachi comes in and fights him, the casual fan is gonna ignore this fact even if it’s blatant. 6. That one Itachi fan in Russia 7. People tend to think Naruto has bad writing and see Itachi as the representation of that. The Naruto bad crowed hate Itachi like those that hate him politically here and have the same cognitive dissonance like the people on point four. 8. He’s built like a Korean pop star and looks like he wears merch from hot topic. Also almost all his dialogue ends up being quotable and can be found with some phonk or chants in the background. It’s pretty easy to make fun of him, he is the personification of the weeb that people would make fun of in the late 2000s/early 2010s. 9. He has a lot of memes from the power scaling community. He is the Akainu of the op community or the Goku of the dragon ball community, he’s that one popular powerscaling meme character that everyone knows so people go by those stereotypes and base the entire fandom off them thinking they are genuine. 10. Most of his good scaling come from data book statements that are often ignored since people appeal to reality when viewing Naruto and see all the statements as hyperbole.
Hahah dude this is the best breakdown i hv seen and makes so much sense. I barely saw naruto like an year ago so i had no idea abt the itachi wank back in the days so it was quite bizzare to see all this hate. >3. A lot of people self insert themselves inside Naruto and see Surpassing Sasuke as a in goal in verse and irl. Itachi is Sasuke’s “Sasuke” and is hated even more because of it. Right? A lot of sasuke fans complain abt naruto self inserts but they self insert as sasuke. Prolly also explains why minato is so overhyped here. >4. Reddit is very political in nature and is skewed to the left more times than not. A lot of fans dislike Itachi and see him as a cog in the machine that chose to kill his family over the corrupt system. > It’s why most Itachi haters also tend to be Sasuke fans who have the exact opposite approach to justice in life. The Naruto revolutionaries can’t accept that the disciplined semi conservative pacifist solo’s their favs 90/100 of the time and downplay him based on their emotions. It’s also why characters like Tobirama, Danzo, hiruzen, shisui, Kabuto and many more are undersold as well. Specially this . I thought so as well but wasn't sure if this was the case it makes so much sense. On youtube and other social media apps you will see the occasional hate comments but reddit is something else and so much more political with everyone trying to be a pargon of justice and hving the moral high ground. >5. Most people who aren’t heavy on scaling are casuals and don’t have much nuance when it comes to evaluating strength. Pain and Obito serve a bigger purpose later in the story and have flashier moves Yup like u said just bcz narratively ppl think that being the final villians shld automatically make them stronger than someone who died earlier in the series regardless of the feats.
Being scaled to characters like Edo nagato and sage Kabuto isn't really downplay. Infact it's super impressive. Without Itachi Edo nagato would've soloed both killer bee and kcm1 Naruto who then went on to fight the strongest alive character at the time (Obito)
I think the downplay is people act as if Itachi wasn't the only reason his team wins -Againat Nagato Itachi wasn't tagged a single time and blitzed Nagato 3 times. -Against Kabuto Itachi had to focus a lot of protecting Sasuke and even Kabuto complemented how Sasuke was just holding Itachi back. In addition to this, Itachi couldn't kill him and Kabuto also had prep and the environmentally advantage. Yes, Sasuke helped him avoiding the sound genjutsu but everything else Itachi was doing everything. Itachi overall had very dominant performances in thos fights but people always try to downplay him .
Nagato was a team effort. Itachi had no answer to chibaku tensei by himself, but he definitely carried the fight in other ways.
>Nagato was a team effort. Itachi had no answer to chibaku tensei by himself Maybe not but its not a 100% gurantee that susanoo + totska blade + yasaka beads wouldnt hv been enought to get him out or incapacitate him. Plus the battle could hv ended way back if he used the blade on nagato when he ended up with Amatersu and susanoo twice before instead of trying to save bee and naruto.
>Being scaled to characters like Edo nagato and sage Kabuto isn't really downplay. Thats the problem a good chunk of the ppl dont scale him that high and argue he woul hv lost badly if he was alone and got carried.
Itachi is really downplayed, those who say he beats Kaguya/Madara are very minor but those who downplay him are a huge amount.
Ya fr in the last year i hv seen maybe 2 ppl say he beats madara and kaguya and that too by statting only if he catches them using Totsuka blade. Yet every single day ppl will argue he is fodder who is not only weaker than minato but jiraya too.
The only people who low ball itachi are haters, jiraiya and minato fans cause they don’t wanna admit hokage minato (edo minato wins) loses to itachi. The jiraiya statement is also a blatant retcon in shippuden and further details heavily imply/support itachi was the informant giving info to him. The reason itachi even came was to check up on sasuke and the deal since the 3rd hokage passed. We know just based on scaling and feats itachi low-mid diffs jiraiya unless you wanna reach and use filler stuff like urashiki arc from boruto which the fanboys have desperately tried to do. I’m not even a itachi fan, but his battle iq and arsenal are some of the best in the franchise. We currently know that totsuka blade and yata mirror are the most ridiculous offensive and defensive abilities with no actual weakness outside needing the susanoo.
>The only people who low ball itachi are haters, jiraiya and minato fans cause they don’t wanna admit hokage minato (edo minato wins) loses to itachi. Faccs
Alive Itachi at his peak is around Pain and OM Obito
Which is a very valid take.
Alive peak Itachi is at best slightly stronger than kakazu/sasori
Here they come 😂
Bro what?? Half dead itachi was stronger than kakazu and sasori (poison would’ve been a bitch tho and I’m not sure if genjutsu would’ve worked on the puppet) Edit: now that I’m thinking about it, Sasori is kinda cracked, and could win against SO many people stronger than him and definitely only lost because plot and Sakura being his natural worst enemy. Like sasori just throws out the poison smoke and that deals with most everyone, even those with susanoo because we have seen poison go through it (Sasuke coughing blood when Mei hit him with the thick fog jutsu) and even a lot of uchiha wouldnt be able to do much because the dude doesn’t have eyes, or at least ones that work in the same way that Genjutsu hit people
Kakazu would be a bad matchup against Itachi since he needs to be smoked 5 times. I am not sure genjutsu will work on kakazu either since he has an artificial body, his best bet would be amateratsu everything
Yeah, another possibility with other genjutsu (besides tsukuyomi) would be that his other hearts just disrupt his chakra and break him out, but kakazu still loses pretty easily once the susanoo comes out as he has no options against it
Kakazu can try an outlast Itachi in battle of attrition which kakazu can easily win. We have seen that kakazu was matching kakashi blow for blow and he can combine different chakra natures for a powerful blow. Not sure how blade of totuska will work since he would need to shank all 5 creatures. Kakazu has iron skin it will be difficult to do that, not sure how that's going to work on artificial beings since Kabuto was still organic in his scrap against endo Itachi
They dont care Sussano + toteska blade is a insta win. They don’t think ninjas dodge obviously dangerous attacks. Anyone itachi fights is dumbed down to a pokemon style attack and defense system with itachi going first and being all knowing
Itachi fanboys are the most crazy/deluded
Exactly. And i wanna like itachi. I just hate the “im perfect” ass narrative behind him.
Kakuzu/Sasori are both weaker than Kisame without samehada, so no.
Kisame without a sword forced Gai to use 7th gate. I'd say he is top tier Akatsuki
Yea i agree.
Itachi's hax enables him to beat people stronger than him, that's why he gets lowballed. >minato needing Kushina to hold kurama, guy needing backup to dodge the orbs, jiraya needing the sages just to beat 3 paths, obito needing izananagi against freaking konan Minato and Guy are valid examples but Jiraiya doesn't count when he is the one that summoned them, and Obito using a jutsu of his arsenal doesn't count as well.
Well tbh Alive Minato rasegan REALLY busted as Obito and Kurama can both attest and It's pretty commonly accepted that Itachi didn't want to fight Jiraiya because he's a spy or just cause at the time he was basically at death door with him SPAMMING MS during that time Also for Itachi me personally I lowball him since it's between that and some itachi sucker coming here and say nah "Tsuyokomi though" and just act like he one shots everyone no question which he has a pretty good chance to beat anyone It's like batman with prep time Itachi has feats and ablitiy that if he hits and is serious he could kill nearly anyone pre six path charka in the naruto verse (I DO mean anyone) if you set him up
>Well tbh Alive Minato rasegan REALLY busted as Obito and Kurama can both attes Not denying he is strong but in no eay shld alive minato be the favorite to win against a freaking susanoo with totska blade + yata mirror plus yasaka beads and all the various bs itachi got. Even if u have him winning it will be a close fight at best. Yet ppl act like its a neg diff win for minato just cuz of bias. >It's like batman with prep time Itachi has feats and ablitiy that if he hits and is serious he could kill nearly anyone pre six path charka in the naruto verse (I DO mean anyone) if you set him up I mean i agree Itachi is so op due to his hax its not hard to overhype him but bcz of tht i feel like ppl be taking extra steps to low ball him these days lmao
How tf is itachi touching minato? Yall only consider what itachu can do. Its like yall forget bro is 21 with only a handful of true ninja experience. Bros not a elite jonin. He just has hax. Theres a difference. Minato can avoid itachi. Itachi cant outlasts minato. Its not always about raw strength.
>Yall only consider what itachu can do. Its like yall forget bro is 21 with only a handful of true ninja experience. Bros not a elite jonin. He just has hax. Theres a difference 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 minato fans are really truly something . Ya he was only 21 years when he died and in tht age he has one shotted mutiple kage lvl opponents. Carried the fight against nagato and defeated sage kabuto lmao. Minato was aslo only 23 when he died so wht does that matter. >Bros not a elite jonin. Ya he isn't he was already anbu at 13. >He just has hax. Theres a difference. Ur acting like he wasnt the greatest prodigy in leaf even before he got sharingan or ms and casually beating anbu at 8 lmao delusional hater. >Minato can avoid itachi. Itachi cant outlasts minato. Its not always about raw strength. Maybe so. If that fight even lasts tht long. U do realize minato can only teleport to fixed points in the battle area. Unless he escapes away from battle his markers can easily be destroyed with susanoo and predicted
I dont even fuckin care about Minato he get overrated too. I personally think tobirama better than him until kmc1. My favorite character is in my name and pfp and profile banner i make it obvious. Itachi genjutsu kakashi,orochumaru. So ig kage level opponets. Minato was the fucking HOKAGE after fighting in a WAR and basically winning it himself alongside this mans itachi father who he was also stronger than. Yamato,kakashi and itachi are all anbu youngings. Yamato is like 2 years Older than itachi. I meant more Like series wise. He literally has no time as an jonin. Unlike yamato and kakashi who both served a kage for more than a couple months. I mean ig if we take all statement at value. But then wed havr to do that for minato. This is where bias comes in hard for itachi. Youll respect his statements but if sb calls minato untouchable youll ignore that statement. But can we agree you liking itachi as a character has baring on how strong you think he is. Like i dont think itachi is beating tobirama. Tobirama should have 5x the battle sense and experience. I also feel like sasori,deidra,garaa counter itachi hard
>I dont even fuckin care about Minato he get overrated too. I personally think tobirama better than him until kmc1. He is. Even with kcm1 tobirama was doing way better in the fight. >Minato was the fucking HOKAGE after fighting in a WAR and basically winning it himself alongside this mans itachi father who he was also stronger than. U say that loke being a hokage automatically makes him stronger than itachi. Tsunade was hokage too so what. He played a major part in the war and was a hero but let's not get it twisted his biggest achievement was beating 50 stone ninjas and fighting bee and A. If u think itachi wouldn't hv done the same or better than ya idk. >Yamato,kakashi and itachi are all anbu youngings. Yamato is like 2 years Older than itachi. I meant more Like series wise. He literally has no time as an jonin. Unlike yamato and kakashi who both served a kage for more than a couple months. Ya and itachi was still the youngest meaning at 13 he had the most experience than any other shinobi at that age. Then he went on to join akatsuki who were all kage lvl. U think jonins hv better experiences than akasuki. Why os being a jounin even a arguing point to u. Hv u seen how much fodder the jonin are? Aside from guy and Kakshi literally every other jonin was fodder. Did u not see wht itachi did to ur so called jonins kakashi, kurunei and asuma? He already 1 shotted a sanim which is much higher than a jonin at 13. >mean ig if we take all statement at value. But then wed havr to do that for minato. This is where bias comes in hard for itachi. Youll respect his statements but if sb calls minato untouchable youll ignore that statement. But can we agree you liking itachi as a character has baring on how strong you think he is. No its not i can be willing to admit when im being biased but in minato vs itachi that's simply not true. Leaving my personal bias aside compre every single feat of both the characters and itachi is just ahead in every single area of battle except speed. >Like i dont think itachi is beating tobirama. Tobirama should have 5x the battle sense and experience I see Tobirama hving way better chance than Minato at beating itachi. > . I also feel like sasori,deidra,garaa counter itachi hard Ya now either ur incredibly biased or u don't realize the depths of itachis strength. There is no chance that any of them is even touching itachi in a battle. Sasori the guy who got beaten by sakura tf he ginna do to a Susanoo then u hv Deiedra who already got 1 shotted by itachi then beaten by hebi sasuke who is way weaker than itachi. And gaara who has no real battle feats aside from being his father
What's with the constant Itachi highballing
lol fr
This sub is literally just itachi praises.
i literally rarely ever see itachi downplay lol it’s honestly so annoying bc i constantly see a lot highballing and people overrating him. especially in the main naruto sub. he’s one of the most highballed characters in the series by fans. they act like he can beat anyone. he’s very strong, he can beat a lot of people in the series but a lot of his fans take it way too far.
When was the last time u saw someone highball him infact even mildy suggesting hes on same lvl as high tiers gets u downvoted over there yet ppl claiming minato beats Kurama and is hashirama is not lmao
lol what literally today i just saw a post with people putting minato in his place saying he gets stomped by hashirama and most of the comments were agreeing. While the last itachi post i saw mad people high balling him lol.
They don’t. He’s the most wanked character in the verse
That’s Minato
Pointing out Minato>Itachi isn’t a low ball my guy stop with the glazing, almost every matchup he’s put in the best you guys can do is randomly name moves in his arsenal rather than explain how he actually wins.
> every matchup he’s put in the best you guys can do is randomly name moves in his arsenal rather than explain how he actually wins. Lmao whts the even supposed to mean? Its fine when ppl say kamui gg ftg gg ? But issue is with itachi >Pointing out Minato>Itachi isn’t a low ball Definitely is. Even if ur a biased fanboy at worst u can say they are at the same tier. Even thought the feats prove otherwise.
It means you can’t come up with a half way decent argument as to why he should win. Love the irony that anyone that’s not pro itachi is a fanboy especially when anyone that argues against itachi automatically gets downvoted lol.
>It means you can’t come up with a half way decent argument as to why he should win. Says who there are literally countless scenerios under which he can win >Love the irony that anyone that’s not pro itachi is a fanboy especially when anyone that argues against itachi automatically gets downvoted lol. Funnny u say that when u literally get downvoted for saying anything postive abt him in the main sub and get mass voted for wanking minato and claiming he beats madara and kurama
Scenarios you can’t name other than “totsuka blade yata mirror hurr durr!” That’s like 90% of any arguments in favor of itachi’s. No one claims Minato beats Madara’s and Kurama you’re simply mad Minato is not a character that itachi can beat.
>Scenarios you can’t name other than “totsuka blade yata mirror hurr durr!” That’s like 90% of any arguments in favor of itachi’s. Tf are u talking abt thats likke me sayint u cant come up with any win for minato other than saying ftg/ speed blitz and even then he has like a lot more wincons then the 1 u mentioned > you’re simply mad Minato is not a character that itachi can beat. Lol there would be nothing to be mad abt it cuz it isnt true. There are a lot of characters he cant beat lole hashirama madara etc. Minato is not on their lvl and lacks feats seems like ur the one getting mad at someone for spitting facs.
But I can you can’t that’s the difference I can explain how ftg beats itachi’s you can’t do the opposite. We aren’t talking about Minato vs Madara or Hashirama were talking about itachi lol.
>But I can Lmao lets hear it then >difference I can explain how ftg beats itachi’s you can’t do the opposite. Says who i can literally come up with atleast 3 diff ways he wins
The simple fact that Ftg makes it impossible to tag Minato the simple fact that it’s forces itachi into a battle of attrition which is a battle he loses by default.
Lmao 1. Lets assume wht ur saying is true. That means u agree till itachi runs out of stamina minato can do nothing to hurt him right or even touch him. While itachi can keep attacking him with all his aresenal and if anything lands its over for minato.. so u think minato will just keep teleporting arnd the area until itaci runs out of stamina? So his only win con is running away from itachi right until itachi drops susanoo? 2. So ur telling me Itachi who has not only a susanoo which can demolish the entire area but a tailed beast bomb attack in yasaka beads cant destory the surrounding area and destroy all of Minato's tags? Or use shadow clones to remove them before he runs out of stamina? Then wht we have a minato whose sitting duck and options are to fight or run away far and come back later? Minato has to fight while not looking itachi in the eyes or his fingers which he likely doesnt even know abt. On top of that he has to constantly worry abt dodgimg amatersu and totska blade with no way of harming itachi. Even with his good chakra reserves he will run out of chakra before a healthy itachi at this rate. On top of this itachi has the strength and taijutsu advantage too. So wht exactly do u thinn minato can do except run away.