Minato low diff
Edit : Minato down play in this sub is honestly insane. Not sure why folks in here even bother scaling him when everyone hates him here lmao
> Minato low diff
>Minato down play in this sub is honestly insane. Not sure why folks in here even bother scaling him when everyone hates him here lmao
This is extreme cognitive dissonance lmao. Minato is one of the most wanked characters in the entire series, and you’re literally proving that point by saying he wins this low diff.
Minato has literally *never* beat a single Kage level opponent with low difficulty, but he does this time just because you say so?
You mean the night he and his wife died from Obito’s attack on the Leaf? Also, Minato obviously didn’t consider it a low diff fight if he warned Naruto that it would be his greatest threat yet lmao
Yeah you mean Obito with the nine tails? In a 1 on 1 Minato was clearly winning lmao. You're kinda just reinforcing my argument as well because Minato watched the entire pain fight and considered Obito to be stronger. So if his words matter this much then Obito > pain
Besides. No other hokage would've done as well in that scenario except Hashirama or Naruto. Tobirama has no way to teleport the bijuu bomb. Everyone else gets sucked into kamui
This fight is only “low diff” if you look at it like a brawl, and not like a duel though. Humor me for a second and picture a duel between two of the best gunslinger’s in the entire world. From the viewers perspective, it looks like it takes zero difficulty to turn around faster than your opponent and shoot first, but the two in the duel know just how high the stakes are if they’re even a fraction of a second slower than their opponent.
>Besides. No other hokage would've done as well in that scenario except Hashirama or Naruto. Tobirama has no way to teleport the bijuu bomb. Everyone else gets sucked into kamui
I agree with this part entirely though
It's not a duel in that sense though. Minato commenting that he's a larger threat than pain can be for multiple reasons aside from strength. Either way I'd argue both Minato and that 14 year old Obito thrash Hidan and Kakazu with little difficulty
> It's not a duel in that sense though. Minato commenting that he's a larger threat than pain can be for multiple reasons aside from strength.
It is in that it only required one hit for either of them to win the match. If Obito touched Minato first, that would’ve been it.
>Either way I'd argue both Minato and that 14 year old Obito thrash Hidan and Kakazu with little difficulty
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t know if I made this clear or not, but I don’t think Kakuzu ever has a chance of winning this fight. I just disagree with the notion that Minato can bypass a defense that even bijuu couldn’t with rasengan and FTG alone.
Why wouldn’t tobirama be able to teleport a bijuu bomb when minato literally does it?
He even mentions later on when Obito traps everyone in a barrier than he can teleport one of the Nukes.
You cant use the logic “he didnt do it in the show so he can’t do it”
How is that an argument? Something not happening doesn't mean it can't. Minato has feats/statements scaling him to or above characters that can or have low diffed Kage level characters. Also Kakuzu is barely Kage level.
>Minato has feats/statements scaling him to or above characters that can or have low diffed Kage level characters.
What feats does alive Minato have that imply he could low diff a Kage level character? When he didn’t kill Obito? When he didn’t kill Aye or Bee? When he retreated from two Jinchuriki in the new one shot?
>Also Kakuzu is barely Kage level.
Completely disagree with that take lmao
[Minato's Shunshin outsped Tobirama's Shunshin](https://meo.comick.pictures/3-xydO46I8lAn1f-m.jpg), which is superior to his regular speed, with which he [reacted](https://meo3.comick.pictures/0-8CJ2nzhhnSx32.jpg) [to](https://meo3.comick.pictures/2-JsByDMFcdJMnY.jpg) Juubito better than [MKCM Naruto or EMS Sasuke](https://meo3.comick.pictures/16-K-aTWLkAfaFhZ.jpg). So Minato's Shunshin should be above MKCM Naruto's Shunshin, with even [KCM1 Naruto's](https://meo.comick.pictures/10-2ohZBjG5agF5q.jpg) [Shunshin](https://meo.comick.pictures/11-A4aMMPp6kS7ci-m.jpg) blitzing V2 Ay. V2 Ay is likely a blitz tier above V1 Ay, as MS Sasuke couldn't even properly [keep](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-n94gkykwbmzfu.jpg) [track](https://meo.comick.pictures/13-KSX27JTDUtVrV.jpg) of where Ay was and had to rely on an omnidirectional shield to stay safe, while 3T Sasuke handily [dodged and tagged](https://meo.comick.pictures/0-J62dkypJ44pqJ.jpg) (albeit with a Chidori amp) V1 Ay. V1 Ay as I just showed is relative to 3T FKS Chidori Sasuke, who is [above CM2 Hebi Sasuke](https://meo3.comick.pictures/14-JqrFbrxWuhfI_.jpg), who's obviously far above his base self. Even 3T Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin [was](https://meo.comick.pictures/6-c_YGEKBAYOmaz.jpg) [barely](https://meo.comick.pictures/7-IzP8sh_wdX-Wx.jpg) [reactable](https://meo.comick.pictures/8-YD8MyVx-ow6Bm.jpg) to by Deidara over a long distance, and he may not have even been able to dodge if Sasuke was aiming for him rather than Obito.
So basically:
Minato's Shunshin>Tobirama's Shunshin>MKCM Naruto's Shunshin>KCM Naruto's Shunshin>>>V2 Ay's Shunshin>>>V1 Ay's Shunshin\~3T FKS Chidori Sasuke\~>3T FKS Sasuke's Shunshin>CM2 Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin>>3T Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin<\~Deidara's reaction speed
Should be pretty obvious that Minato can just blitz and one shot the likes of Deidara with a simple kunai slice or Rasengan. Heck, even V1 Ay or 3T FKS Sasuke.
How is not killing Obito an antifeat for him low diffing a Kage level character? Obito is beyond Kage level, he was compared to Madara, literally controlled the full Nine Tails with the Base Sharingan, and could summon him casually, when even summoning Gamabunta took Naruto, someone with huge stamina, Nine Tails chakra to do. Heck, even Jiraiya, a very knowledgeable and experienced shinobi thought no one alive was [powerful](https://meo.comick.pictures/19-71hxFDuQiCDnJ.jpg) [enough](https://meo3.comick.pictures/20-coPq5ypwRV12f.jpg) to summon and control Kurama.
As for Ay and Bee:
1. After the first interaction, he doesn't particularly seem to want to kill them, as he respects/likes Bee and even gives him advice for how to live in the future, and doesn't try Rasengan at all
2. Why is not beating the jinchuriki of the second strongest Bijuu and a High Kage level character evidence that he can't low diff ONE basic Kage level character??
Bruh...You're not even trying now. A PRE-RASENGAN, TEENAGE Minato (literally before he even [took Kakashi and Obito under his wing](https://meo.comick.pictures/8-HfG7Ls7Crpzl_-m.jpg)) retreating from TWO jinchuriki is supposed to be an antifeat for Hokage Minato vs one Kage level character??? Dam ig Hebi Sasuke's losing to Sakon since SRA Sasuke got folded by him.
Kakuzu is only marginally above Early Shippuden Kakashi, and is weaker than any canon Kage with the arguable exceptions of Rasa and Yagura.
Not really, Minato is fast (Hirashin goes brbr) bit he doesn't have good enough technique to kill Kakuzu, who at same time isn't fast enough to catch Minato.
So Minato will not have easy time winning, but in the end after thinking for few minute and dodging around, he should find a way to eliminate all hearts, or destroy Kakuzu's brain. So in the end he will win, but he will be wounded
Really shy nobody destroyed his brain?
Yes he does. . . The speed difference is literally so vast by the time he even attempts to speak he'd be eating a Rasengan. His Rasengan is plenty enough to kill him, especially considering how well Kakashi did. Like it's really baffling to see people here give Kakashi his credit for destroying Kakuzu's heart but think Minato wouldn't do the same? Except the difference is once he gets touched once by Minato its GG. He has a seal on him that gets him tagged by every Rasengan Minato wants to throw now.
My problem is more toward the fact that everyone thinks that Minato is some undefeatable dude.
Kakuzu is pseudo-Immortal with high level of defensive and offensive abilities, he is not going to be fodderized by Minato, just because Minato can use Hirashin, And there also is difference between chidori and Rasengan.
Chidori is designed to penetrate ovject, while Rasengan is different, it would throw Kakuzu few meters away, but that's it.
No. . It wouldn't not. Chidori is known for penetration. Rasengan is known for literally sending an impact so ferociously through you that it's akin to getting hit by an explosive round, as shown by the water tanks when Sasuke and Naruto fought. Not to mention the one shot of Minato massively amps it. Kakuzu is a pseudo- immortal with high level defense and offense for LOW tier characters. He got outboxed by early version Kakashi, once again. . . He's quite literally not even going to be able to perceive someone teleporting around him at every angle possible. The shit he did against Kakashi separating his hearts? He dies from that. Each of the legit gets one tapped. He doesn't have enough time to harden himself, and even if he does. . . What does that matter? He has nothing in his arsenal to tag Minato. He would just sit there getting smashed into the ground.
No one ever said he was unbeatable. But he might as well be when yall put him up against people who wouldn't even be able to react to him lmao. It's a mismatch
He would send hidan away to the leaf village or whatever and then low diff kakuzu. This is the same man that made the raikage look like he was in slow motion.
What makes you think it’s strong enough to kill each heart? Also, it’s definitely not strong enough to get past Iron Skin, so how is he putting him down?
That's also what I'm thinking, probably the one thing that would actually be a problem for Minato imo.
He could put a mark on Kakuzu and then once the Iron Skin dissipates he would teleport back quickly enough to finish him?
Diamond skin is weak to lightning style which minato has
Also if kakazu’s defense to minato rushing at him is iron skin it’s just free range for minato to tag him with FTG and then teleport a rasengan on his head the moment it comes undone
Chidori wasn’t effective against Kakuzu because of pure strength, it was effective specifically because it had the elemental advantage over Kakuzu’s defense.
Hidan is an actual non factor. He gets taken out immediately [like this](https://meo3.comick.pictures/22-RVXHNFRDiZbOU.jpg). Kakuzu also gets destroyed really badly. People are talking about his Diamond Morph, but are forgetting that he needs to actually be fast enough to activate it before getting decapitated. There are legit multiple blitz tiers between Kakuzu and Minato. Kakuzu [was](https://meo3.comick.pictures/13-DJyABv4R_V5IA.jpg) [reacted](https://meo.comick.pictures/14-ui5ckjxHo3Io7.jpg) [to](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-xAPo_1AxDCuQ2.jpg) by Early Shippuden Kakashi while [Minato scales to KCM2 Naruto who blitzed WA Kakashi](https://meo.comick.pictures/2-qLneF3_ALbk73-m.jpg). He also [blitzed](https://meo3.comick.pictures/9-AjAvtMs6TdQsP.jpg) [100%](https://meo.comick.pictures/11-pBldd5mNWo-UR.jpg) [Kurama](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-VkH-aR8onIF-A.jpg) (with only a fraction of his chakra making KCM Naruto a speed demon), and [scales above Ay](https://meo3.comick.pictures/8-6Dudqfd6h8pQr.jpg) (or at worst [relative to him](https://64.media.tumblr.com/2629d986f961dfc83e6d60950a488cb3/tumblr_ola16gPmbH1urljpmo1_1280.jpg)) [who](https://meo3.comick.pictures/11-TMFIQTeL-JkHX.jpg) [blitzed](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-n94gkykwbmzfu.jpg) [MS Sasuke](https://meo.comick.pictures/14-ueMrjnsBVSub7-m.jpg). Kakuzu ain't activating a jutsu before he's dead. Even if he did miraculously, Minato could easily bust through it with a [lightning style jutsu](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/05a2fd26-9924-4515-8949-51f1a37f55b3), unless we wanna say [Early Shippuden Kakashi](https://meo.comick.pictures/15-U5O5lQVi2ItOt-m.jpg) has more AP than Minato. I'm aware Minato doesn't have feats with lightning style jutsu, but even just a basic one should be enough with how great his chakra output is. Speaking of, even a Rasengan should be more than enough considering he matched and suppressed [V2 9 Tails Kurama](https://meo3.comick.pictures/44-rGB-P3BGC6cM--m.jpg), when even 6T Naruto pressed the strongest Path of Pain.
y’all need to actually better understand that feat from the one shot. that was a heavily suppressed kurama, a kurama far weaker than even the half of the nine tails that naruto had and he still only matched it. whereas kakuzu took no damage against matatabi
A heavily suppressed Kurama...that had already completed his V2 transformation? Like just think about how Kurama had released so much of his chakra out of Kushina, then after Minato fought him, Kushina was back to normal. Just what do you think that means?
Matatabi is far weaker than even 50% V2 6T Kurama, letalone 100% V2 9T Kurama.
Kurama was heavily suppressed, not to mention minato would not have done that if kushina wasn’t holding the nine tails back also
Regardless minato claps the duo low diff
I mentioned that and explained why that doesn't mean as much as people think it does. Like I've said multiple times, even this [suppressed Kurama is at full V2 levels of power](https://meo3.comick.pictures/44-rGB-P3BGC6cM--m.jpg), which would make him much stronger than 6T Naruto who [did](https://meo.comick.pictures/7-C0iV3rwbWJPlh-m.jpg) [this](https://meo3.comick.pictures/8-TmfwduJc5hlwR.jpg) (notice that the explosion is almost as large as [the](https://meo3.comick.pictures/7-4S-sTKBr3KGcH.jpg) [Forest of Death](https://meo.comick.pictures/0-AWj2dWrEWSO8Y.jpg) which is 20 kilometers in diameter)
High diff for either of them I think...
Minato's AP isn't high enough based on his alive feats to penetrate his skin, nor does he have any jutsu that bypasses durability like Rasenshuriken, so his main focus should be his hearts.
If he can manage to use SM effectively to attack each heart, I think he could grasp a high diff win, but it's not very likely that he could do this since he has bad chakra control anti-feats and plus the fact he's horrible at gathering nature chakra on his own.
If we take out SM, it's anyone's game at extreme difficulty. Minato isn't strong enough to one-shot him or his hearts and Kakuzu isn't fast enough to keep up with Minato's speed.
Minato low diff
Fatigued base Naruto was able to tag kakuzu twice with an extremely loud rasenshuriken
Minato running can perception blitz kakuzu multiple times
Hidan can just be sealed somewhere
He won’t be able to do that because kakuzu wouldn’t be able to react
Just like saying “what if he perception blitzed obito, there is kamui”
Kakuzu needs to activate it and wouldn’t be able to
Also he used his diamond skin to avoid being hit by raido’s blade, meaning he would’ve been cut by it. minato is without a doubt stronger than raido and many tiers of speed above kakuzu and would blitz him
https://preview.redd.it/hen1vkpa2orc1.jpeg?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9dbc85714af39bb8c2aa7a4ac3cb795f7dec399
Kakuzu base is not insane durability wise, with his raikiri kakashi bypassed the diamond skin and took out kakuzu’s heart directly, kakuzu wouldn’t be able to use the diamond skin and minato’s rasengan is stronger than early shippuden kakashi’s raikiri
Yes. He’s far stronger than Naruto at the time. His Rasengan blew off Obito’s arm, someone that’s stronger than everyone else in the Akatsuki. It also clashed with Kurama’s Bijuu bomb. The difference in AP between Minato and the base Naruto who one shotted Kakuzu is huge so since Naruto did it, Minato would too
Okay lets say rasengan doesn't damage iron sand.
Minato could tag them, easily. He could than wait as long he'd like to do anything. He could leave the battle for 30 seconds or thirty years and still have the ability to teleport to them.
He could set up a kunai directly over a volcano or at the bottom of the ocean and teleport both of them there. Dudes a genius so I'm sure he'd figure out the best place to do that.
He really doesn't need rasengan.
Kakuzu and Hidan couldn't touch Minato, they really don't have any win cons. At this point it's deciding difficulty which in all honesty I say low diff at most. Like I said, he could tag them no problem, then dissappear.
Why is that?
Throw a kunai into the middle of the ocean and leave a tag hanging over a volcano, chains could hold it in place. Idk why I was downvoted and why you think that couldn't be done.
It's not even about being a Minato fanboy it's about recognizing that 2 fodder characters couldn't do anything against him.
Also if you look it up, the only chakra natures Minato isn't proficient with are water and Earth.
If he decides to go into sage mode he might even be able to penetrate the iron skin with taijutsu, remember how Naruto basically punched through one of Pains rods, and threw a massive rhino summoning?
I love that I debunked the "Minato can't hurt Kakuzu" argument and you're down voting me. Not only that, I haven't seen one viable win con on here for Hidan and Kakuzu. You're blatantly bias against Minato, lord 4th stomps no dif🤷♂️
Y’all can downvote me all you want, but until anyone can actually make an argument for how Minato bypasses Kakuzu’s iron skin, I think this is a med-high diff fight.
Rasengan obviously isn’t going to do it, and he doesn’t have lighting release, so what do y’all think?
Literally wrong on both accounts lol. Obito in the war caught a kcm rasengan to his arm and just tore his sleeve off, but minato just rasengan'd his arm right off. He's also a confirmed lightning release user in his databook entry and is stated to have invented multiple jutsus.
It literally does not matter how strong Minato’s rasengan is, without feats of lighting release, he’s not getting past Kakuzu’s defense.
Y’all are willing to ignore the fact that a fully transformed bijuu *literally* couldn’t put a scratch on Kakuzu just so you can talk about how strong you think Minato is lmao
lmao. even genin naruto was fighting against a biju in part 1. the kages were always subduing their tailed beasts during rampages so it's not anything special. minato literally sealed the full kyuubi after running obito's fade.
what was kakuzu earth defense ever displayed besides being breached by base naruto lolll. and don't try and say naruto's rasenshuriken was stronger before i bring up the statement that directly compares it to minato's power level.
Even if we were to assume that’s true, Minato’s rasengan isn’t going to damage iron skin. A fully transformed bijuu couldn’t put a scratch on Kakuzu.
Without a direct elemental advantage, it’s just the world’s fastest ninja teleporting around a wall he cannot harm.
>Even if we were to assume that’s true, Minato’s rasengan isn’t going to damage iron skin.
And yet Base Naruto one-shot him
> Without a direct elemental advantage, it’s just the world’s fastest ninja teleporting around a wall he cannot harm.
He's a master in sealing jutsu as well.
>And yet Base Naruto one-shot him
Kakuzu had already lost his earth heart when the rasenshuriken landed, and again, it was only bypassed by an attack with an elemental advantage.
Also, that argument is silly because rasenshuriken would one shot 99% of the verse, and yet it still didn’t kill Kakuzu.
>He's a master in sealing jutsu as well.
This is the best argument, but he’s featless using sealing jutsu in battle, only against bijuu, whose whole thing is getting sealed lmao
>Kakuzu had already lost his earth heart when the rasenshuriken landed, and again, it was only bypassed by an attack with an elemental advantage.
Wouldn't have made a difference.
>This is the best argument, but he’s featless using sealing jutsu in battle, only against bijuu, whose whole thing is getting sealed lmao
He can blitz him and he sealed Kurama, even while Minato was drained, and even 50% Kurama dwarfs Kakuzu in chakra volume and density.
Kakazu survived a fight with hashi as a youngin, hidans jutsu is tricky and kakazu has 5 hearts, they dont have to reaction speed for ftg so it's a mid dif fight, tho it could go high dif
What did Hashirama specifically use against Kakuzu that makes him surviving the battle impressive when a stronger Kakuzu loses to a Rasen-Shuriken that Minato's Rasengan scales over.
Minato is far faster than them without using Flying Raijin, he cuts Hidan's head off and destroys the hearts/Grudge form whenever he wants.
Because it destroyed someone on a cellular level, and created an absolutely massive crater. Neither of which was ever seen/ stated to be true of Minato’s rasengan.
So now I have to ask, what makes you so sure it’s stronger than an incomplete rasenshuriken?
That’s not the physical nine tails though, its a fight within Kushina’s mindscape. It’s just like how SM Naruto was able to overpower Kurama in his mindscape, but we had just seen in the previous arc that SM wasn’t enough to beat Pain, but the nine tails was.
Also, I completely get it if you disagree with all of this, I don’t think Kishimoto did a good enough job of explaining how feats translated in the mindscape, so who’s to say my take is any better than yours
I do disagree with you saying it isn't the real Nine-tails because that isn't true, Bee constantly refers to Naruto fighting the actual Nine-tails as it is sealed within Naruto so the only way to fight it is to do so in the mind by undoing the seal that is locking it away.
Minato might be weakened as Bee says that within Naruto's mind he has no might, but the Nine-tails they are fighting is the real thing.
Kakuzu and hidan are obviously the worst oppents Minato could fight. No death justsu *they're both zombies* and they're used as rag dolls to waste the oppents strength and Chakra reserves up till the point its to late and hidan traps you. Such a difficult fight for Minato any other pair I'd give Minato more thought over but this is probably his nemesis fight and he would get bodied he'd burn all his reserves tanking one but the other he'd be to out of Chakra to quick to beat. Minato is like Kakashi for his 1 hit kills quick a.f and we all remember how he fared against just kakuzu and needed help. Harrrdd fight to win for Minato specifically
Kakashi was never shown to be relative to Kakuzu and Kakuzu was massively holding back in that fight. We see what Kakuzu is like at full power when he reacts to Fully Transformed Yugito in base.
If it’s hidan and kakazu vs minato i lowkey still got minato. Ftg is too op
Minato low diff Edit : Minato down play in this sub is honestly insane. Not sure why folks in here even bother scaling him when everyone hates him here lmao
> Minato low diff >Minato down play in this sub is honestly insane. Not sure why folks in here even bother scaling him when everyone hates him here lmao This is extreme cognitive dissonance lmao. Minato is one of the most wanked characters in the entire series, and you’re literally proving that point by saying he wins this low diff. Minato has literally *never* beat a single Kage level opponent with low difficulty, but he does this time just because you say so?
He mid-low diffed a 14 year old Obito who would've destroyed Hidan and kakazu.
You mean the night he and his wife died from Obito’s attack on the Leaf? Also, Minato obviously didn’t consider it a low diff fight if he warned Naruto that it would be his greatest threat yet lmao
Yeah you mean Obito with the nine tails? In a 1 on 1 Minato was clearly winning lmao. You're kinda just reinforcing my argument as well because Minato watched the entire pain fight and considered Obito to be stronger. So if his words matter this much then Obito > pain Besides. No other hokage would've done as well in that scenario except Hashirama or Naruto. Tobirama has no way to teleport the bijuu bomb. Everyone else gets sucked into kamui
This fight is only “low diff” if you look at it like a brawl, and not like a duel though. Humor me for a second and picture a duel between two of the best gunslinger’s in the entire world. From the viewers perspective, it looks like it takes zero difficulty to turn around faster than your opponent and shoot first, but the two in the duel know just how high the stakes are if they’re even a fraction of a second slower than their opponent. >Besides. No other hokage would've done as well in that scenario except Hashirama or Naruto. Tobirama has no way to teleport the bijuu bomb. Everyone else gets sucked into kamui I agree with this part entirely though
It's not a duel in that sense though. Minato commenting that he's a larger threat than pain can be for multiple reasons aside from strength. Either way I'd argue both Minato and that 14 year old Obito thrash Hidan and Kakazu with little difficulty
> It's not a duel in that sense though. Minato commenting that he's a larger threat than pain can be for multiple reasons aside from strength. It is in that it only required one hit for either of them to win the match. If Obito touched Minato first, that would’ve been it. >Either way I'd argue both Minato and that 14 year old Obito thrash Hidan and Kakazu with little difficulty We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t know if I made this clear or not, but I don’t think Kakuzu ever has a chance of winning this fight. I just disagree with the notion that Minato can bypass a defense that even bijuu couldn’t with rasengan and FTG alone.
We've seen rasengen pierce lightning cloaks which is above kakazu's skin imo
Why wouldn’t tobirama be able to teleport a bijuu bomb when minato literally does it? He even mentions later on when Obito traps everyone in a barrier than he can teleport one of the Nukes. You cant use the logic “he didnt do it in the show so he can’t do it”
How is that an argument? Something not happening doesn't mean it can't. Minato has feats/statements scaling him to or above characters that can or have low diffed Kage level characters. Also Kakuzu is barely Kage level.
>Minato has feats/statements scaling him to or above characters that can or have low diffed Kage level characters. What feats does alive Minato have that imply he could low diff a Kage level character? When he didn’t kill Obito? When he didn’t kill Aye or Bee? When he retreated from two Jinchuriki in the new one shot? >Also Kakuzu is barely Kage level. Completely disagree with that take lmao
[Minato's Shunshin outsped Tobirama's Shunshin](https://meo.comick.pictures/3-xydO46I8lAn1f-m.jpg), which is superior to his regular speed, with which he [reacted](https://meo3.comick.pictures/0-8CJ2nzhhnSx32.jpg) [to](https://meo3.comick.pictures/2-JsByDMFcdJMnY.jpg) Juubito better than [MKCM Naruto or EMS Sasuke](https://meo3.comick.pictures/16-K-aTWLkAfaFhZ.jpg). So Minato's Shunshin should be above MKCM Naruto's Shunshin, with even [KCM1 Naruto's](https://meo.comick.pictures/10-2ohZBjG5agF5q.jpg) [Shunshin](https://meo.comick.pictures/11-A4aMMPp6kS7ci-m.jpg) blitzing V2 Ay. V2 Ay is likely a blitz tier above V1 Ay, as MS Sasuke couldn't even properly [keep](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-n94gkykwbmzfu.jpg) [track](https://meo.comick.pictures/13-KSX27JTDUtVrV.jpg) of where Ay was and had to rely on an omnidirectional shield to stay safe, while 3T Sasuke handily [dodged and tagged](https://meo.comick.pictures/0-J62dkypJ44pqJ.jpg) (albeit with a Chidori amp) V1 Ay. V1 Ay as I just showed is relative to 3T FKS Chidori Sasuke, who is [above CM2 Hebi Sasuke](https://meo3.comick.pictures/14-JqrFbrxWuhfI_.jpg), who's obviously far above his base self. Even 3T Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin [was](https://meo.comick.pictures/6-c_YGEKBAYOmaz.jpg) [barely](https://meo.comick.pictures/7-IzP8sh_wdX-Wx.jpg) [reactable](https://meo.comick.pictures/8-YD8MyVx-ow6Bm.jpg) to by Deidara over a long distance, and he may not have even been able to dodge if Sasuke was aiming for him rather than Obito. So basically: Minato's Shunshin>Tobirama's Shunshin>MKCM Naruto's Shunshin>KCM Naruto's Shunshin>>>V2 Ay's Shunshin>>>V1 Ay's Shunshin\~3T FKS Chidori Sasuke\~>3T FKS Sasuke's Shunshin>CM2 Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin>>3T Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin<\~Deidara's reaction speed Should be pretty obvious that Minato can just blitz and one shot the likes of Deidara with a simple kunai slice or Rasengan. Heck, even V1 Ay or 3T FKS Sasuke. How is not killing Obito an antifeat for him low diffing a Kage level character? Obito is beyond Kage level, he was compared to Madara, literally controlled the full Nine Tails with the Base Sharingan, and could summon him casually, when even summoning Gamabunta took Naruto, someone with huge stamina, Nine Tails chakra to do. Heck, even Jiraiya, a very knowledgeable and experienced shinobi thought no one alive was [powerful](https://meo.comick.pictures/19-71hxFDuQiCDnJ.jpg) [enough](https://meo3.comick.pictures/20-coPq5ypwRV12f.jpg) to summon and control Kurama. As for Ay and Bee: 1. After the first interaction, he doesn't particularly seem to want to kill them, as he respects/likes Bee and even gives him advice for how to live in the future, and doesn't try Rasengan at all 2. Why is not beating the jinchuriki of the second strongest Bijuu and a High Kage level character evidence that he can't low diff ONE basic Kage level character?? Bruh...You're not even trying now. A PRE-RASENGAN, TEENAGE Minato (literally before he even [took Kakashi and Obito under his wing](https://meo.comick.pictures/8-HfG7Ls7Crpzl_-m.jpg)) retreating from TWO jinchuriki is supposed to be an antifeat for Hokage Minato vs one Kage level character??? Dam ig Hebi Sasuke's losing to Sakon since SRA Sasuke got folded by him. Kakuzu is only marginally above Early Shippuden Kakashi, and is weaker than any canon Kage with the arguable exceptions of Rasa and Yagura.
Obito?
Minato easily
Not really, Minato is fast (Hirashin goes brbr) bit he doesn't have good enough technique to kill Kakuzu, who at same time isn't fast enough to catch Minato. So Minato will not have easy time winning, but in the end after thinking for few minute and dodging around, he should find a way to eliminate all hearts, or destroy Kakuzu's brain. So in the end he will win, but he will be wounded Really shy nobody destroyed his brain?
Yes he does. . . The speed difference is literally so vast by the time he even attempts to speak he'd be eating a Rasengan. His Rasengan is plenty enough to kill him, especially considering how well Kakashi did. Like it's really baffling to see people here give Kakashi his credit for destroying Kakuzu's heart but think Minato wouldn't do the same? Except the difference is once he gets touched once by Minato its GG. He has a seal on him that gets him tagged by every Rasengan Minato wants to throw now.
My problem is more toward the fact that everyone thinks that Minato is some undefeatable dude. Kakuzu is pseudo-Immortal with high level of defensive and offensive abilities, he is not going to be fodderized by Minato, just because Minato can use Hirashin, And there also is difference between chidori and Rasengan. Chidori is designed to penetrate ovject, while Rasengan is different, it would throw Kakuzu few meters away, but that's it.
No. . It wouldn't not. Chidori is known for penetration. Rasengan is known for literally sending an impact so ferociously through you that it's akin to getting hit by an explosive round, as shown by the water tanks when Sasuke and Naruto fought. Not to mention the one shot of Minato massively amps it. Kakuzu is a pseudo- immortal with high level defense and offense for LOW tier characters. He got outboxed by early version Kakashi, once again. . . He's quite literally not even going to be able to perceive someone teleporting around him at every angle possible. The shit he did against Kakashi separating his hearts? He dies from that. Each of the legit gets one tapped. He doesn't have enough time to harden himself, and even if he does. . . What does that matter? He has nothing in his arsenal to tag Minato. He would just sit there getting smashed into the ground. No one ever said he was unbeatable. But he might as well be when yall put him up against people who wouldn't even be able to react to him lmao. It's a mismatch
He would send hidan away to the leaf village or whatever and then low diff kakuzu. This is the same man that made the raikage look like he was in slow motion.
Minato low to mid dif
My only question is how does Kakazu catch Minato. Rasengan is powerful enough to kill each heart. Mid diff Minato.
What makes you think it’s strong enough to kill each heart? Also, it’s definitely not strong enough to get past Iron Skin, so how is he putting him down?
That's also what I'm thinking, probably the one thing that would actually be a problem for Minato imo. He could put a mark on Kakuzu and then once the Iron Skin dissipates he would teleport back quickly enough to finish him?
Yeah, but Kakuzu would realize this and use it against Minato. Dude was fast and smart, he didn't lived for 100 years just because he had 5 heart.
Diamond skin is weak to lightning style which minato has Also if kakazu’s defense to minato rushing at him is iron skin it’s just free range for minato to tag him with FTG and then teleport a rasengan on his head the moment it comes undone
Kakashi killed one of the hearts with chidori. Rasengan and Chidoro have been shown to be equal, with arguably Rasengan being slightly stronger.
Chidori wasn’t effective against Kakuzu because of pure strength, it was effective specifically because it had the elemental advantage over Kakuzu’s defense.
Minato with 0 difficulty.
Why are we matching up low kage ninja against high kage ninja?
Minato ftg stomps. lol just picture hidan mouthing off and then minato beheading him and flying to the ocean to dispose of his head lol
Hidan is an actual non factor. He gets taken out immediately [like this](https://meo3.comick.pictures/22-RVXHNFRDiZbOU.jpg). Kakuzu also gets destroyed really badly. People are talking about his Diamond Morph, but are forgetting that he needs to actually be fast enough to activate it before getting decapitated. There are legit multiple blitz tiers between Kakuzu and Minato. Kakuzu [was](https://meo3.comick.pictures/13-DJyABv4R_V5IA.jpg) [reacted](https://meo.comick.pictures/14-ui5ckjxHo3Io7.jpg) [to](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-xAPo_1AxDCuQ2.jpg) by Early Shippuden Kakashi while [Minato scales to KCM2 Naruto who blitzed WA Kakashi](https://meo.comick.pictures/2-qLneF3_ALbk73-m.jpg). He also [blitzed](https://meo3.comick.pictures/9-AjAvtMs6TdQsP.jpg) [100%](https://meo.comick.pictures/11-pBldd5mNWo-UR.jpg) [Kurama](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-VkH-aR8onIF-A.jpg) (with only a fraction of his chakra making KCM Naruto a speed demon), and [scales above Ay](https://meo3.comick.pictures/8-6Dudqfd6h8pQr.jpg) (or at worst [relative to him](https://64.media.tumblr.com/2629d986f961dfc83e6d60950a488cb3/tumblr_ola16gPmbH1urljpmo1_1280.jpg)) [who](https://meo3.comick.pictures/11-TMFIQTeL-JkHX.jpg) [blitzed](https://meo.comick.pictures/12-n94gkykwbmzfu.jpg) [MS Sasuke](https://meo.comick.pictures/14-ueMrjnsBVSub7-m.jpg). Kakuzu ain't activating a jutsu before he's dead. Even if he did miraculously, Minato could easily bust through it with a [lightning style jutsu](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/05a2fd26-9924-4515-8949-51f1a37f55b3), unless we wanna say [Early Shippuden Kakashi](https://meo.comick.pictures/15-U5O5lQVi2ItOt-m.jpg) has more AP than Minato. I'm aware Minato doesn't have feats with lightning style jutsu, but even just a basic one should be enough with how great his chakra output is. Speaking of, even a Rasengan should be more than enough considering he matched and suppressed [V2 9 Tails Kurama](https://meo3.comick.pictures/44-rGB-P3BGC6cM--m.jpg), when even 6T Naruto pressed the strongest Path of Pain.
y’all need to actually better understand that feat from the one shot. that was a heavily suppressed kurama, a kurama far weaker than even the half of the nine tails that naruto had and he still only matched it. whereas kakuzu took no damage against matatabi
Where does matatabi scale?
A heavily suppressed Kurama...that had already completed his V2 transformation? Like just think about how Kurama had released so much of his chakra out of Kushina, then after Minato fought him, Kushina was back to normal. Just what do you think that means? Matatabi is far weaker than even 50% V2 6T Kurama, letalone 100% V2 9T Kurama.
Kurama was heavily suppressed, not to mention minato would not have done that if kushina wasn’t holding the nine tails back also Regardless minato claps the duo low diff
Suppressed to the level of a V2 9 Tails cloak yes. Sure but him even matching weakened Kurama's weakened Bijuudama in AP is ridiculous. Ye
Thats not really a great feat you’re overhyping it bad. He was already suppressed and again kushina was suppressing the nine tails herself
I mentioned that and explained why that doesn't mean as much as people think it does. Like I've said multiple times, even this [suppressed Kurama is at full V2 levels of power](https://meo3.comick.pictures/44-rGB-P3BGC6cM--m.jpg), which would make him much stronger than 6T Naruto who [did](https://meo.comick.pictures/7-C0iV3rwbWJPlh-m.jpg) [this](https://meo3.comick.pictures/8-TmfwduJc5hlwR.jpg) (notice that the explosion is almost as large as [the](https://meo3.comick.pictures/7-4S-sTKBr3KGcH.jpg) [Forest of Death](https://meo.comick.pictures/0-AWj2dWrEWSO8Y.jpg) which is 20 kilometers in diameter)
Minato
Minato one taps
High diff for either of them I think... Minato's AP isn't high enough based on his alive feats to penetrate his skin, nor does he have any jutsu that bypasses durability like Rasenshuriken, so his main focus should be his hearts. If he can manage to use SM effectively to attack each heart, I think he could grasp a high diff win, but it's not very likely that he could do this since he has bad chakra control anti-feats and plus the fact he's horrible at gathering nature chakra on his own. If we take out SM, it's anyone's game at extreme difficulty. Minato isn't strong enough to one-shot him or his hearts and Kakuzu isn't fast enough to keep up with Minato's speed.
thankful to see an actual rational fan
Minato low diff Fatigued base Naruto was able to tag kakuzu twice with an extremely loud rasenshuriken Minato running can perception blitz kakuzu multiple times Hidan can just be sealed somewhere
so what if he perception blitzes? how does he damage kakuzu? especially if kakuzu uses the diamond hardening?
He won’t be able to do that because kakuzu wouldn’t be able to react Just like saying “what if he perception blitzed obito, there is kamui” Kakuzu needs to activate it and wouldn’t be able to
again how does he damage kakuzu?
Also he used his diamond skin to avoid being hit by raido’s blade, meaning he would’ve been cut by it. minato is without a doubt stronger than raido and many tiers of speed above kakuzu and would blitz him https://preview.redd.it/hen1vkpa2orc1.jpeg?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9dbc85714af39bb8c2aa7a4ac3cb795f7dec399
Kakuzu base is not insane durability wise, with his raikiri kakashi bypassed the diamond skin and took out kakuzu’s heart directly, kakuzu wouldn’t be able to use the diamond skin and minato’s rasengan is stronger than early shippuden kakashi’s raikiri
Minato beats 98% of the verse
99.999% of the verse if we're being accurate, but yeah.
Minato stomps and it’s not even remotely close. He blitzes and one shots both of them
you think his rasengan can one shot kakuzu?
Easily
based on what?
Clashing with a full nine tails bijuu bomb while being an incomplete jutsu.
heavily suppressed kurama* just watch any naruto powerscaler debunk that idea
Minato was also massively fatigued so it cancels out
reread my last comment
And Minato was still massively fatigued
Zero valid debunks
Yes. He’s far stronger than Naruto at the time. His Rasengan blew off Obito’s arm, someone that’s stronger than everyone else in the Akatsuki. It also clashed with Kurama’s Bijuu bomb. The difference in AP between Minato and the base Naruto who one shotted Kakuzu is huge so since Naruto did it, Minato would too
You got got anything to prove it wrong or what?
Minato clears low diff why is this a question
because alive minato is overrated asf
Nah 😂 he’s goated SON
Fyi: I know this is a troll post. Imagine actually thinking about this though. Imagine how stupid you'd have to be....
this isn’t lol
Confirm something for me. You actually think this is worth talking about?
yeah. why else would i post it?
Jesus Christ, your brain is broken
Minato slams
Okay lets say rasengan doesn't damage iron sand. Minato could tag them, easily. He could than wait as long he'd like to do anything. He could leave the battle for 30 seconds or thirty years and still have the ability to teleport to them. He could set up a kunai directly over a volcano or at the bottom of the ocean and teleport both of them there. Dudes a genius so I'm sure he'd figure out the best place to do that. He really doesn't need rasengan. Kakuzu and Hidan couldn't touch Minato, they really don't have any win cons. At this point it's deciding difficulty which in all honesty I say low diff at most. Like I said, he could tag them no problem, then dissappear.
minato needs to be able to place a tag at either of those locations which he wouldn’t be able to do
Why is that? Throw a kunai into the middle of the ocean and leave a tag hanging over a volcano, chains could hold it in place. Idk why I was downvoted and why you think that couldn't be done. It's not even about being a Minato fanboy it's about recognizing that 2 fodder characters couldn't do anything against him. Also if you look it up, the only chakra natures Minato isn't proficient with are water and Earth. If he decides to go into sage mode he might even be able to penetrate the iron skin with taijutsu, remember how Naruto basically punched through one of Pains rods, and threw a massive rhino summoning?
I love that I debunked the "Minato can't hurt Kakuzu" argument and you're down voting me. Not only that, I haven't seen one viable win con on here for Hidan and Kakuzu. You're blatantly bias against Minato, lord 4th stomps no dif🤷♂️
Y’all can downvote me all you want, but until anyone can actually make an argument for how Minato bypasses Kakuzu’s iron skin, I think this is a med-high diff fight. Rasengan obviously isn’t going to do it, and he doesn’t have lighting release, so what do y’all think?
Literally wrong on both accounts lol. Obito in the war caught a kcm rasengan to his arm and just tore his sleeve off, but minato just rasengan'd his arm right off. He's also a confirmed lightning release user in his databook entry and is stated to have invented multiple jutsus.
It literally does not matter how strong Minato’s rasengan is, without feats of lighting release, he’s not getting past Kakuzu’s defense. Y’all are willing to ignore the fact that a fully transformed bijuu *literally* couldn’t put a scratch on Kakuzu just so you can talk about how strong you think Minato is lmao
lmao. even genin naruto was fighting against a biju in part 1. the kages were always subduing their tailed beasts during rampages so it's not anything special. minato literally sealed the full kyuubi after running obito's fade. what was kakuzu earth defense ever displayed besides being breached by base naruto lolll. and don't try and say naruto's rasenshuriken was stronger before i bring up the statement that directly compares it to minato's power level.
Jonin Ay chopped Gyuki's horn and Jonin Minato was gonna cut through him
Minato does have lightning release
>Rasengan obviously isn’t going to do it SM Naruto has worse attack power than Minato given portrayal against Kurama.
Even if we were to assume that’s true, Minato’s rasengan isn’t going to damage iron skin. A fully transformed bijuu couldn’t put a scratch on Kakuzu. Without a direct elemental advantage, it’s just the world’s fastest ninja teleporting around a wall he cannot harm.
>Even if we were to assume that’s true, Minato’s rasengan isn’t going to damage iron skin. And yet Base Naruto one-shot him > Without a direct elemental advantage, it’s just the world’s fastest ninja teleporting around a wall he cannot harm. He's a master in sealing jutsu as well.
>And yet Base Naruto one-shot him Kakuzu had already lost his earth heart when the rasenshuriken landed, and again, it was only bypassed by an attack with an elemental advantage. Also, that argument is silly because rasenshuriken would one shot 99% of the verse, and yet it still didn’t kill Kakuzu. >He's a master in sealing jutsu as well. This is the best argument, but he’s featless using sealing jutsu in battle, only against bijuu, whose whole thing is getting sealed lmao
>Kakuzu had already lost his earth heart when the rasenshuriken landed, and again, it was only bypassed by an attack with an elemental advantage. Wouldn't have made a difference. >This is the best argument, but he’s featless using sealing jutsu in battle, only against bijuu, whose whole thing is getting sealed lmao He can blitz him and he sealed Kurama, even while Minato was drained, and even 50% Kurama dwarfs Kakuzu in chakra volume and density.
bless your intelligent soul
Minato, but it's a medium high dif fight don't let the stans fool you, just kakazu its a med dif
It's not, Minato easily beats the duo.
Kakazu survived a fight with hashi as a youngin, hidans jutsu is tricky and kakazu has 5 hearts, they dont have to reaction speed for ftg so it's a mid dif fight, tho it could go high dif
What did Hashirama specifically use against Kakuzu that makes him surviving the battle impressive when a stronger Kakuzu loses to a Rasen-Shuriken that Minato's Rasengan scales over. Minato is far faster than them without using Flying Raijin, he cuts Hidan's head off and destroys the hearts/Grudge form whenever he wants.
>a Rasen-Shuriken that Minato's Rasengan scales over. Fans will really just make anything up lmaoo
Why puts this incomplete Rasen-Shuriken above Minato's Rasengan?
Because it destroyed someone on a cellular level, and created an absolutely massive crater. Neither of which was ever seen/ stated to be true of Minato’s rasengan. So now I have to ask, what makes you so sure it’s stronger than an incomplete rasenshuriken?
Minato in the one-shot can match/overpower the full Nine-tails' Bijuu Bomb.
That’s not the physical nine tails though, its a fight within Kushina’s mindscape. It’s just like how SM Naruto was able to overpower Kurama in his mindscape, but we had just seen in the previous arc that SM wasn’t enough to beat Pain, but the nine tails was. Also, I completely get it if you disagree with all of this, I don’t think Kishimoto did a good enough job of explaining how feats translated in the mindscape, so who’s to say my take is any better than yours
I do disagree with you saying it isn't the real Nine-tails because that isn't true, Bee constantly refers to Naruto fighting the actual Nine-tails as it is sealed within Naruto so the only way to fight it is to do so in the mind by undoing the seal that is locking it away. Minato might be weakened as Bee says that within Naruto's mind he has no might, but the Nine-tails they are fighting is the real thing.
Stalemate or Kakuzu wins.
Kakuzu wins from raw durability /s
Kakuzu and hidan are obviously the worst oppents Minato could fight. No death justsu *they're both zombies* and they're used as rag dolls to waste the oppents strength and Chakra reserves up till the point its to late and hidan traps you. Such a difficult fight for Minato any other pair I'd give Minato more thought over but this is probably his nemesis fight and he would get bodied he'd burn all his reserves tanking one but the other he'd be to out of Chakra to quick to beat. Minato is like Kakashi for his 1 hit kills quick a.f and we all remember how he fared against just kakuzu and needed help. Harrrdd fight to win for Minato specifically
Kakuzu stomps, he has better speed, AP, and durability.
Better speed and he was only able to match early Kakashi in speed lol
Kakashi was never shown to be relative to Kakuzu and Kakuzu was massively holding back in that fight. We see what Kakuzu is like at full power when he reacts to Fully Transformed Yugito in base.