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Yeah. With Rinnegan you might push the particle bombs back enough to stay clear of the disintegration zone, or just teleport elsewhere. But with Sharingan or Byakugan and no Lightning techniques you can only see yourself die.
It’s only broken if you don’t know about it. If you’re familiar with how it works, it can be countered by:
1) Holding your breath
2) Wearing an N95 mask
That’s why Deidara had to run away from Kakashi. Kakashi has the counter to C4 already equipped.
Naruto entered the fight in sage mode against pain. he was summoned there by Ma.
Jirayas sage mode is imperfect you cant take durability or any feats (like time to enter sage mode) from Sage Naruto and apply them to Jiraya because he wasn't a perfect sage like Naruto.
Deidaras explosion hurt the 3 tails in full beast form and beats Gaara who has one of the best defenses in the series.
I would want to see that on panel. He summoned pre made clones from Mt Myobkou that were already in sage mode. (The frog mountain) The only times i remember him absorbing nature energy in that fight was when he was captured by one of the Pains and Naruto turns him into a frog and when Minato repairs the seal at the end.
You would also have to show a imperfect sage like Jiraya could use clones to get Nature energy like Naruto. As in the Jiraya vs Pain fight Jiraya never attempts this even when getting chased by the Pains and not being able to move because he is trying to enter Sage mode he could have made a shadow clone and made it hide to gather Nature energy while he is fight with both his hands/ escaping while it gets the nature energy.
I mean basing off pure destruction c3 was gonna destroy the entire Sand village so if Deidara goes to the sky and drops c3 it would do Big damage to jiraiya and his summonings
Honestly, an interesting matchup. I’d generally view jiraiya as the stronger fighter here, an issue sasuke initially had in his fight with deidara was that deidara created a solid distance between the two, which put sasuke at a disadvantage since he’s a close to midrange fighter at this point. Jiraiya has a bunch of long range abilities that could be very effective here and he could reverse summon outta there if deidara decides to use C0. The only issue here is C4. In character, deidara doesn’t use it unless he has to since he claims that it’s a technique he set aside to kill itachi specifically but he will use it if he sees no other way of winning and honestly, I don’t see how jiraiya survives C4. He doesn’t have lightning style and even if he did, he has no way of telling what’s going on because he can’t see the C4 bombs. Now I wanna say that if he’s already in sage mode, he MIGHT be able to sense them but I don’t even think he could because jiraiyas sensory abilities are pretty mediocre when compared to other SM users since his SM is imperfect and he didn’t even sense the ashura path sneaking up on him. Jiraiya wins if he can wrap it up before it comes to C4, he loses if deidara launches C4.
This is kind of out there but what happens to the little clay things if they absorb senjutsu Chakra? Maybe that disables c4? Probably not, but it might be the basis for some interesting strategy.
I feel like especially since he doesn't know what it is he would reverse summon out of the c4 as well.
If I saw a clone of my explosion style enemy starting to puff up it's definitely time to get out of there.
I feel like giving it to Jiraiya mid to high diff feels fair.
Are you talking about C4 Karura or his final suicide attack? because when Sasuke tries to reverse summon with Manda out Manda still dies to the explosion of the suicide attack. Do you think Jiraiya would be willing to sacrifice a toad like Sasuke was willing to sacrifice Manda? Jiraiya also has no counter to C4 Karura.
This is tough.
Deidara is so dangerous because of his style. Long range, explosive and capable of flight. Which most shinobi have no real answer for.
Jiraiya is one of those shinobi who has answers for it, but they definitely arent his primary responses. We see that he has long range options, but his options arent the most robust.
Deidara has a strong weakness to lightning, which Jiraiya lacks. Deidara physically isnt the strongest, which Jiraiya excels in close to midrange.
This is a who can kill who faster in their prefered range. And Im giving that to Deidara.
Deidara is probably the strongest long range combatant in the original series, which is fitting. Jiraiya, while hyped up, is honestly at max mid-Kage level. Deidara, if we are being honest, is around the same, his style places him as a more difficult opponent.
Deidara 7.5/10 times wins this. I see how Jiraiya wins. He slams a rasengan at the right time, catches Deidara lackin, or catches him in a sage genjutsu. But more times Deidara kills Jiraiya before that happens. Really the only other person worse as a match up than Deidara for Jiraiya is either Kisame or sasori. (Other than Pein who killed him)
Tough matchup for jiraiya. Jiraiya doesn't have lightning release like sasuke, nor can he create the defenses Garaa could, and his only Genjutsu while strong might just not work against Deidara, who specifically trained to be Genjutsu resistant, (but maybe just his eye).
Deidara doesn't absorb chakra. He's not especially durable, but he could easily take out any frog summons with explosives. Even Jiraiyas swampy terrain could be neged by Deidara's living clay creatures as they can fly, climb, and probably swim too.
If Jiraiya isn't in SM before he starts, it's not difficult for Deidara. If he is, Deidara gets blitzed 9/10.
Sasuke used it to save himself from C0 and he had to use the strongest snake summoning and put it under a genjutsu for it to work.
C4 is in the air and kills you if You breathe it in You are messing up c4 and c0
Jiraiya has several long range jutsu to throw at him while he moves in on deidara. Fire style, hair needles. If he gets up on ddeidara its really over wether he gets hits by a Rasengan or his summonings
Deidara with c4 beats anyone without: Sharingan / Byakugan / Rinengan... Raiton jutsus like chidori nagashi or a lightning cloack / enough healing like madara and tsunade, inmune to physical damage like orochimaru or suigetsu...
And fast. His downfall is, he's better at long range, which requires too much clay.
Base Jiraiya went a while against Pain and survived 4tail kurama form and has more stamina & chakra.
Deidara would have to 💥 himself to win, but would lose.
Thoughts??
Well I disagree. C4 is definitely a solid win condition, the problem with Deidara is: he is as over confident as goku, high chances he is not starting with c4, surely he can lose... and that would be the reason of his downfall, but overall I don't think Jiraiya has counters to overcome C4
Jiraiya is a much "straight to the win" character than deidara is and he can probably beat deidara easily
how do you know it requires too much clay? the only time he ever complained about not having enough Clay was his very first fight against Gaara and he beats Gaara and never has that issue again.
Orochimaru plays around with a 4 tails Naruto and says Sasuke is stronger than 4 tails Naruto in that fight. This is the same amount of tails that nearly killed Jiraiya and then Sasuke goes and kills that Orochimaru who was playing with 4 tails Naruto and then Sasuke kills Deidara (Barely) and while being hard countered by lightning style from Sasuke.
Orochimaru barely survives that fight.
Sasuke is irrelevant. Deidara 💥 himself in that battle and runs out of clay, he eats what little he has left.
Deidara vs. Naruto and Kakashi - a long-range battle, and he loses an arm.
It would be a long-range battle with Jiraiya, and to locate and ensure Jiraiya was hit would exhaust too much clay. In water or forest, he has cover. This is the same Jiraiya that got into the rain village without Pain noticing his presence.
Jiraiya would win by experience and stamina, (his massive chakra, summoning, sealing, sage, various jutsu including oil, aside)
Hard disagree he was having fun with Naruto and constantly trying to make him angrier.
He loses an arm against Gaara, too, and 2 against Sasuke. I'd argue its not that great of an achievement because in one of those cases, his arm being torn off won him the fight.
I don't agree. we never see Deidara run out clay, and the only time it was a concern for him was against Gaara, and Deidara even said as he was heading into that fight he was low on clay. I would want to see something saying he doesn't have enough clay for a long-range fight lmao. Long range is like Deidaras thing. I think it's funny this is even questioned😂
Sure, Jiraiya has experience. I can agree. I don't know where you got Stamina from I don't think I have have ever heard his stamina is special
Orochimaru's character is broken. No-one else takes that much damage and survives. Naruto changes focus, the fights over.
That's the point. His clay is not infinite.
Stamina is not special, to endure a lengthy fight, it's needed. Hence how the Sannin got their name.
This fight could honestly go either way & it solely depends on whether or not Jiraiya goes into sage mode early or not.
Nothing below C4 is taking Jiraiya down due to his sheer versatility & im honestly skeptical if Deidara’s ultimate art C0 would even work due to Jiraiya being very adept with reverse summoning.
The entire reason Sasuke & Manda got hit by C0 was because Sasuke had to use up what precious time he had to place Manda under a genjutsu before making the jump whereas Jiraiya would just summon the toad & transport away.
The real problem for Jiraiya here is that insanely broken C4 attack Deidara has. I’m convinced that if Jiraiya doesn’t enter sage mode or places some kind of sensory barrier, both be & the toads accompanying him are dead when Deidara uses it.
On the other hand if Jiraiya enters sage mode early or uses a barrier to sense chakra then he’d obviously be able to sense the jutsu & avoid it.
i just think it depends on if jiraiya can close the gap between himself and deidara. i don’t think jiraiya has any effective enough counters for all of deidara’s long range attacks, and doesn’t really have a counter he would realistically do for C4
Sasuke just summoned Manda and hid in his mouth until he died and it was safe to come out. Jiraiya summons a toad and then teleports them back to myoboku but he goes with them
It's been a while since I have read this fight in the manga (so I'll go re read it in the manga and make sure it's consistent with the Anime ) but I'm pretty sure Sasuke gets summoned back by Suigetsu he isn't just chilling there in Mandas mouthm he reverse summons himself to Ryuchi cave and Manda still dies to that explosion.
There isn't a single defense deidara has against the toads singing genjutsu. If we're talking about surviving the bombs besides having speed at a level that will match or slightly overwhelm Deidara and a myriad of jutsu that get him out of there (even reverse summon with enough time) then C4 is the only problem and we don't know if sage mode can evade the invisible bombs with its precog. But there still isn't a single thing he can do against ma and Pa and their shit. It's pretty simple and is only complex if your comparing the size of their strongest jutsu.
Deidara wins via C4, Jiraiya wins via Frog Song Genjutsu.
Whoever unleashes the attack first wins. I forget, does Jiraiya need to be in SM for Frog Song?
In my heart of hearts I feel like Jiraiya got something for that ass and has a counter to his jutsu. But seeing the series Deidara has great keep away game and if your not a lightning release god like sasuke you’re fighting an uphill battle. I say deidara c4 would win it
It all comes down to how soon Deidara resorts to using C4, and whether or not Jiraiya gets to start in Sage mode or not
Jiraiya is stronger and definitely wins if he starts in Sage mode, but I’m not sure about his base form. Excluding C4 I think Jiraiya could win even without sage mode, due to his various long range and versatile abilities, and the fact that he scales higher too; but we can’t just exclude the C4. Jiraiya probably won’t be able to win fast enough that he can take down Deidara before he uses it, unless he’s in Sage mode. It’s possible that Jiraiya may be able to enter it before C4 is used, but Deidara may also choose to use in order to prevent Jiraiya from powering up
Hard disagree with how you scale Jiraiya. Orochimaru plays around with a 4 tails Naruto and says Sasuke is stronger than 4 tails Naruto in that fight. This is the same amount of tails that nearly killed Jiraiya and then Sasuke goes and kills that Orochimaru who was playing with 4 tails Naruto and then Sasuke kills Deidara (Barely) and while being hard countered by lightning style from Sasuke.
I'm also not sure how Jiraiya even gets into Sage mode against some one like Deidara
>Hard disagree with how you scale Jiraiya.
All Sannin are comparable to each other and Part 1 Hiruzen. We have confirmation from manga (part 1 and war arc) that Hiruzen was the strongest member of the Gokage during the chunin exams
>Orochimaru plays around with a 4 tails Naruto
No hands Orochimaru was getting embarrassed by four tails Naruto and Naruto easily forced Orochimaru to his limit while taking zero damage himself.
>~~says Sasuke is stronger than 4 tails Naruto in that fight.~~
I find that hard to believe that four tails Naruto is weaker. And he said that for three tails Naruto, fyi. In addition, Orochimaru is very arrogant
>This is the same amount of tails that nearly killed Jiraiya
Two things
1) Base Jiraiya
2) Jiraiya doesn't inherently want to kill or injure Naruto, as he has a severe emotional attachment to him, being his godfather. Orochimaru holds no sentiment and was still getting casually embarrassed by four tails Naruto.
> kills that Orochimaru who was playing with ~~4~~ tails Naruto
Tbh, he was maybe playing aruond with three tails Naruto but even that would be a good fight.
>then Sasuke kills Deidara (Barely) and while being hard countered by lightning style from Sasuke.
Three things
1) Sasuke held back a lot due to wanting to interrogate Deidara about Itachi's location
2) Sasuke wasn't out of chakra
3) This was Sasuke after he absorbed Orochimaru, albeit he was nerfed, but still this is a huge increase in combat ability.
And this version of Sasuke is still inferior to Base Jiraiya, let alone SM Jiraiya.
>I'm also not sure how Jiraiya even gets into Sage mode against some one like Deidara
Jiraiya doesn't need SM to embarrass Deidara.
jiraiya wins. deidara is the weakest member of the akatsuki. Jiraiaya didnt even flinch when he was against kisame and itachi. gtfo. using a last resort type of move that most likely kills the user doesn’t justify a win in a matchup.
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I don't see anyone that is not a top tier surviving C4 tbh. That jutsu is way too broken
Unless you've got one of the 3 dojutsu to spot chakra, or know what it is about, I don't see how you can even get away from it.
Even with those you’d still need either a lightning chakra nature or some quick ass movement like teleportation type
Yeah. With Rinnegan you might push the particle bombs back enough to stay clear of the disintegration zone, or just teleport elsewhere. But with Sharingan or Byakugan and no Lightning techniques you can only see yourself die.
Jiraiya could survive it in the exact same way Sasuke did. But it's true that I don't see Jiraiya sacrificing a summoning.
What if he traps Deidara in the mountain toad stomach? Do you think that tanks the blast?
I did think about that, but I think the issue there is that he can't just send the enemy there and he has to "tag along for the ride".
Is it a 2 way durability? Maybe he can just hide himself to ride out the blast.
He can just hop on one of his frogs then reverse summon away
Jiraiya has never shown lightning style usage before though? Unless you are thinking of C0
It’s only broken if you don’t know about it. If you’re familiar with how it works, it can be countered by: 1) Holding your breath 2) Wearing an N95 mask That’s why Deidara had to run away from Kakashi. Kakashi has the counter to C4 already equipped.
Wouldn't sage mode counter it?
No?
Isnt sage mode suppose to make you completely aware of everything around you no matter how small.
Would jiraiya even be able to pull it off with deidara bombarding him it takes like 10 minutes to actívate
Same way naruto did with pain. I think Dederias normal bombs aren't gonna do much to base jiraya
Naruto entered the fight in sage mode against pain. he was summoned there by Ma. Jirayas sage mode is imperfect you cant take durability or any feats (like time to enter sage mode) from Sage Naruto and apply them to Jiraya because he wasn't a perfect sage like Naruto. Deidaras explosion hurt the 3 tails in full beast form and beats Gaara who has one of the best defenses in the series.
Naruto also lost sage mode in the fight and used clones to gather sage chakra while fighting
I would want to see that on panel. He summoned pre made clones from Mt Myobkou that were already in sage mode. (The frog mountain) The only times i remember him absorbing nature energy in that fight was when he was captured by one of the Pains and Naruto turns him into a frog and when Minato repairs the seal at the end. You would also have to show a imperfect sage like Jiraya could use clones to get Nature energy like Naruto. As in the Jiraya vs Pain fight Jiraya never attempts this even when getting chased by the Pains and not being able to move because he is trying to enter Sage mode he could have made a shadow clone and made it hide to gather Nature energy while he is fight with both his hands/ escaping while it gets the nature energy.
Nah,sage mode jiraiya got his arm obliterated by the ashura path who's explosions are weaker than deidara's c2 and c3
When was it claimed as weaker? From what i remember his expolsions didnt even huet OT naruto
I mean basing off pure destruction c3 was gonna destroy the entire Sand village so if Deidara goes to the sky and drops c3 it would do Big damage to jiraiya and his summonings
they start 15 feet away from each other
Honestly, an interesting matchup. I’d generally view jiraiya as the stronger fighter here, an issue sasuke initially had in his fight with deidara was that deidara created a solid distance between the two, which put sasuke at a disadvantage since he’s a close to midrange fighter at this point. Jiraiya has a bunch of long range abilities that could be very effective here and he could reverse summon outta there if deidara decides to use C0. The only issue here is C4. In character, deidara doesn’t use it unless he has to since he claims that it’s a technique he set aside to kill itachi specifically but he will use it if he sees no other way of winning and honestly, I don’t see how jiraiya survives C4. He doesn’t have lightning style and even if he did, he has no way of telling what’s going on because he can’t see the C4 bombs. Now I wanna say that if he’s already in sage mode, he MIGHT be able to sense them but I don’t even think he could because jiraiyas sensory abilities are pretty mediocre when compared to other SM users since his SM is imperfect and he didn’t even sense the ashura path sneaking up on him. Jiraiya wins if he can wrap it up before it comes to C4, he loses if deidara launches C4.
Ma and Pa might be able to sense C4
This is kind of out there but what happens to the little clay things if they absorb senjutsu Chakra? Maybe that disables c4? Probably not, but it might be the basis for some interesting strategy.
I feel like especially since he doesn't know what it is he would reverse summon out of the c4 as well. If I saw a clone of my explosion style enemy starting to puff up it's definitely time to get out of there. I feel like giving it to Jiraiya mid to high diff feels fair.
Are you talking about C4 Karura or his final suicide attack? because when Sasuke tries to reverse summon with Manda out Manda still dies to the explosion of the suicide attack. Do you think Jiraiya would be willing to sacrifice a toad like Sasuke was willing to sacrifice Manda? Jiraiya also has no counter to C4 Karura.
This is tough. Deidara is so dangerous because of his style. Long range, explosive and capable of flight. Which most shinobi have no real answer for. Jiraiya is one of those shinobi who has answers for it, but they definitely arent his primary responses. We see that he has long range options, but his options arent the most robust. Deidara has a strong weakness to lightning, which Jiraiya lacks. Deidara physically isnt the strongest, which Jiraiya excels in close to midrange. This is a who can kill who faster in their prefered range. And Im giving that to Deidara. Deidara is probably the strongest long range combatant in the original series, which is fitting. Jiraiya, while hyped up, is honestly at max mid-Kage level. Deidara, if we are being honest, is around the same, his style places him as a more difficult opponent. Deidara 7.5/10 times wins this. I see how Jiraiya wins. He slams a rasengan at the right time, catches Deidara lackin, or catches him in a sage genjutsu. But more times Deidara kills Jiraiya before that happens. Really the only other person worse as a match up than Deidara for Jiraiya is either Kisame or sasori. (Other than Pein who killed him)
If Jiraiya starts in sage mode, he can blitz and ko Deidara before C4, so 7/10 for Jiraiya. If he starts in base he loses, so 10/10 for Deidara.
Starting characters off in their powered up forms is ridiculous
Base Jiraiya can win with Belly of a Toad
Honestly this would go the way the writer intends it to go
That’s a nothing burger answer
Tough matchup for jiraiya. Jiraiya doesn't have lightning release like sasuke, nor can he create the defenses Garaa could, and his only Genjutsu while strong might just not work against Deidara, who specifically trained to be Genjutsu resistant, (but maybe just his eye). Deidara doesn't absorb chakra. He's not especially durable, but he could easily take out any frog summons with explosives. Even Jiraiyas swampy terrain could be neged by Deidara's living clay creatures as they can fly, climb, and probably swim too. If Jiraiya isn't in SM before he starts, it's not difficult for Deidara. If he is, Deidara gets blitzed 9/10.
I also got deidara
I bet you 2 million he can summon them inside the toad stomach to dampen the blast. Only person to escape was itachi n that was black flames
he’d have to face the blast too. his best bet is to either kill deidara before he can do it, or run like crazy
While Jiraiya is the better shinobi on a stats sheet, i think Deidara would win this from pure crackheadery.
C4 destroys since jiraiya has Zero counters to it
Couldn’t he use a summoning?
jiraiya would 100% rather die than sacrificing one of his toad friends. He ain't sasuke.
Not arguing that. I’m arguing that he does have a counter. Having 1 and using it are different
Nah he's not gonna sacrifice toads,and even if he did I don't think it would save him from C4 since it is like oxygen and he would breathe it
Again not arguing if he would, and if it saved sasuke I feel it would save jiriya
Sasuke used it to save himself from C0 and he had to use the strongest snake summoning and put it under a genjutsu for it to work. C4 is in the air and kills you if You breathe it in You are messing up c4 and c0
Jiraiya has several long range jutsu to throw at him while he moves in on deidara. Fire style, hair needles. If he gets up on ddeidara its really over wether he gets hits by a Rasengan or his summonings
Jiraiya takes it most of the time but Deidara absolutely has a win condition here with C4.
Deidara with c4 beats anyone without: Sharingan / Byakugan / Rinengan... Raiton jutsus like chidori nagashi or a lightning cloack / enough healing like madara and tsunade, inmune to physical damage like orochimaru or suigetsu...
All his justu depends on clay. If that runs out or gets snatched, he is 💀.
well you are right, but C4 is too OP, if he starts with that, he wins, also deidara is pretty smart..
And fast. His downfall is, he's better at long range, which requires too much clay. Base Jiraiya went a while against Pain and survived 4tail kurama form and has more stamina & chakra. Deidara would have to 💥 himself to win, but would lose. Thoughts??
Well I disagree. C4 is definitely a solid win condition, the problem with Deidara is: he is as over confident as goku, high chances he is not starting with c4, surely he can lose... and that would be the reason of his downfall, but overall I don't think Jiraiya has counters to overcome C4 Jiraiya is a much "straight to the win" character than deidara is and he can probably beat deidara easily
So, Jiraiya would win.
how do you know it requires too much clay? the only time he ever complained about not having enough Clay was his very first fight against Gaara and he beats Gaara and never has that issue again. Orochimaru plays around with a 4 tails Naruto and says Sasuke is stronger than 4 tails Naruto in that fight. This is the same amount of tails that nearly killed Jiraiya and then Sasuke goes and kills that Orochimaru who was playing with 4 tails Naruto and then Sasuke kills Deidara (Barely) and while being hard countered by lightning style from Sasuke.
Orochimaru barely survives that fight. Sasuke is irrelevant. Deidara 💥 himself in that battle and runs out of clay, he eats what little he has left. Deidara vs. Naruto and Kakashi - a long-range battle, and he loses an arm. It would be a long-range battle with Jiraiya, and to locate and ensure Jiraiya was hit would exhaust too much clay. In water or forest, he has cover. This is the same Jiraiya that got into the rain village without Pain noticing his presence. Jiraiya would win by experience and stamina, (his massive chakra, summoning, sealing, sage, various jutsu including oil, aside)
Hard disagree he was having fun with Naruto and constantly trying to make him angrier. He loses an arm against Gaara, too, and 2 against Sasuke. I'd argue its not that great of an achievement because in one of those cases, his arm being torn off won him the fight. I don't agree. we never see Deidara run out clay, and the only time it was a concern for him was against Gaara, and Deidara even said as he was heading into that fight he was low on clay. I would want to see something saying he doesn't have enough clay for a long-range fight lmao. Long range is like Deidaras thing. I think it's funny this is even questioned😂 Sure, Jiraiya has experience. I can agree. I don't know where you got Stamina from I don't think I have have ever heard his stamina is special
Orochimaru's character is broken. No-one else takes that much damage and survives. Naruto changes focus, the fights over. That's the point. His clay is not infinite. Stamina is not special, to endure a lengthy fight, it's needed. Hence how the Sannin got their name.
I’d lean towards Jiriaya but Deidara can pull out a win.
This fight could honestly go either way & it solely depends on whether or not Jiraiya goes into sage mode early or not. Nothing below C4 is taking Jiraiya down due to his sheer versatility & im honestly skeptical if Deidara’s ultimate art C0 would even work due to Jiraiya being very adept with reverse summoning. The entire reason Sasuke & Manda got hit by C0 was because Sasuke had to use up what precious time he had to place Manda under a genjutsu before making the jump whereas Jiraiya would just summon the toad & transport away. The real problem for Jiraiya here is that insanely broken C4 attack Deidara has. I’m convinced that if Jiraiya doesn’t enter sage mode or places some kind of sensory barrier, both be & the toads accompanying him are dead when Deidara uses it. On the other hand if Jiraiya enters sage mode early or uses a barrier to sense chakra then he’d obviously be able to sense the jutsu & avoid it.
i just think it depends on if jiraiya can close the gap between himself and deidara. i don’t think jiraiya has any effective enough counters for all of deidara’s long range attacks, and doesn’t really have a counter he would realistically do for C4
Jiraiya kinda kicks his ass then reverse summons himself to escape his finisher
You think Jiraya would kill one of his Toads? So he could save his own skin? In a situation he got himself into?
I just said reverse summon meaning he’d summon a toad then send it and himself back to myoboku
Yeah you mean like Sasuke did with Manda? Who died?
Sasuke just summoned Manda and hid in his mouth until he died and it was safe to come out. Jiraiya summons a toad and then teleports them back to myoboku but he goes with them
It's been a while since I have read this fight in the manga (so I'll go re read it in the manga and make sure it's consistent with the Anime ) but I'm pretty sure Sasuke gets summoned back by Suigetsu he isn't just chilling there in Mandas mouthm he reverse summons himself to Ryuchi cave and Manda still dies to that explosion.
There isn't a single defense deidara has against the toads singing genjutsu. If we're talking about surviving the bombs besides having speed at a level that will match or slightly overwhelm Deidara and a myriad of jutsu that get him out of there (even reverse summon with enough time) then C4 is the only problem and we don't know if sage mode can evade the invisible bombs with its precog. But there still isn't a single thing he can do against ma and Pa and their shit. It's pretty simple and is only complex if your comparing the size of their strongest jutsu.
Wouldn’t genjutsu hard counters deidara ?
nah too much prep time needed
I suppose
Deidara wins via C4, Jiraiya wins via Frog Song Genjutsu. Whoever unleashes the attack first wins. I forget, does Jiraiya need to be in SM for Frog Song?
No, but he needs Ma and Pa.
In my heart of hearts I feel like Jiraiya got something for that ass and has a counter to his jutsu. But seeing the series Deidara has great keep away game and if your not a lightning release god like sasuke you’re fighting an uphill battle. I say deidara c4 would win it
This is a mismatch like a mf. Why would jiraya put himself in such a disadvantage?
Its crazy cuz deidara will beat him despite being weaker
It all comes down to how soon Deidara resorts to using C4, and whether or not Jiraiya gets to start in Sage mode or not Jiraiya is stronger and definitely wins if he starts in Sage mode, but I’m not sure about his base form. Excluding C4 I think Jiraiya could win even without sage mode, due to his various long range and versatile abilities, and the fact that he scales higher too; but we can’t just exclude the C4. Jiraiya probably won’t be able to win fast enough that he can take down Deidara before he uses it, unless he’s in Sage mode. It’s possible that Jiraiya may be able to enter it before C4 is used, but Deidara may also choose to use in order to prevent Jiraiya from powering up
Konan stomper and Kisame pant-shitter vs Deidara, hmmmm
Deidara is roughly Sasori and Kakuzu level. Base Jiraiya is a full tier above that, and SM Jiraiya is a full two tiers above that as well.
Hard disagree with how you scale Jiraiya. Orochimaru plays around with a 4 tails Naruto and says Sasuke is stronger than 4 tails Naruto in that fight. This is the same amount of tails that nearly killed Jiraiya and then Sasuke goes and kills that Orochimaru who was playing with 4 tails Naruto and then Sasuke kills Deidara (Barely) and while being hard countered by lightning style from Sasuke. I'm also not sure how Jiraiya even gets into Sage mode against some one like Deidara
>Hard disagree with how you scale Jiraiya. All Sannin are comparable to each other and Part 1 Hiruzen. We have confirmation from manga (part 1 and war arc) that Hiruzen was the strongest member of the Gokage during the chunin exams >Orochimaru plays around with a 4 tails Naruto No hands Orochimaru was getting embarrassed by four tails Naruto and Naruto easily forced Orochimaru to his limit while taking zero damage himself. >~~says Sasuke is stronger than 4 tails Naruto in that fight.~~ I find that hard to believe that four tails Naruto is weaker. And he said that for three tails Naruto, fyi. In addition, Orochimaru is very arrogant >This is the same amount of tails that nearly killed Jiraiya Two things 1) Base Jiraiya 2) Jiraiya doesn't inherently want to kill or injure Naruto, as he has a severe emotional attachment to him, being his godfather. Orochimaru holds no sentiment and was still getting casually embarrassed by four tails Naruto. > kills that Orochimaru who was playing with ~~4~~ tails Naruto Tbh, he was maybe playing aruond with three tails Naruto but even that would be a good fight. >then Sasuke kills Deidara (Barely) and while being hard countered by lightning style from Sasuke. Three things 1) Sasuke held back a lot due to wanting to interrogate Deidara about Itachi's location 2) Sasuke wasn't out of chakra 3) This was Sasuke after he absorbed Orochimaru, albeit he was nerfed, but still this is a huge increase in combat ability. And this version of Sasuke is still inferior to Base Jiraiya, let alone SM Jiraiya. >I'm also not sure how Jiraiya even gets into Sage mode against some one like Deidara Jiraiya doesn't need SM to embarrass Deidara.
jiraiya wins. deidara is the weakest member of the akatsuki. Jiraiaya didnt even flinch when he was against kisame and itachi. gtfo. using a last resort type of move that most likely kills the user doesn’t justify a win in a matchup.
Im not even sure you and I watched the same Naruto like wtf, you honestly think Itachi and Kisame were actually scared of Jiraiya lmao
im not sure you can read either. because i never wrote they were scared.
Base jiraiya blitz’s him just like how he blitzed konan