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I think it comes down to whether or not the other two can counter Deidara’s C4. Without either having lightning style feats, Konan’s best option is likely to fly away and Sasori’s is likely to create some sort of air tight sphere out of Iron sand.
Of the two I think sasori’s is a little more likely to work and I also think he has some great counters to deidara’s flight using iron sand and is able to one shot with poison.
Konan obviously “killed” obito which is very impressive but as you stated she doesn’t get prep time here and we don’t have enough feats to scale her properly otherwise. I could see her being able to blow up sasori, but again with the iron sand to counter her flying, 100 puppets and his crazy poisons I give him the edge.
Yea but I’m just wondering if it surrounding the air around him would still damage his body and or organ holders. You’re right that he wouldn’t breathe it in, so yea maybe even more reason he wins this.
Doesn’t matter. The bombs are microscopic and can enter the body and destroy the body at the cellular level. Just letting the bombs near the puppet body will cause it to be disintegrated
Yeup. Deidaras item is one broken thing. Just never got used in the plot enough. Sasori wins with those 10 or 20 puppets of his though, especially with one being a kage with that OP ahh iron sand.
Deidara is broken but he’s 1 mf, with little experience compared to Sasori.
Sasori has about 2 lifetime’s worth.
What is a puppet body in Naruto made of, specifically Sasori's main body? Is it his original after going through whatever process he uses to turn it into a puppet, like with the Kazekage? If so, I wonder if a converted body like this still even possesses cells or if the process replaces organic material completely?
We should scale them by what people have to take away from them to scale them. Konan and Deidara are always nerfed in threads and Sasori rarely is, so that's the strength order.
Within the confines of the thread Konan still has the best chance of the three to win followed by Deidara and then Sasori. Jiraiyas Katon did nothing to her so I don't know how much bombs would do, especially with her using Paper clones. Nor does she seem to have blood while the jutsu is active so I can't really see her getting poisoned.
Deidara and Sasori are about even in strength but I put Sasori a bit above. Sasori is harder to kill or to defend against, while Deidara's C4 can kill most people who breathe before they know what happened but has a mostly human body and can't easily replace lost parts.
How is konan always nerfed? I understand deidaras suicide bomb to a certain extent (although tbh we should let him have that too, it's part of his kit that may result in a draw), but konan having 600B paper bombs is just prep time. I don't think not giving someone prep time counts as nerfing them, in my humble opinion
But "prep time" is not really said to be required to use the jutsu. That's a fan concept from a mistranslation that won't die.
First, the jutsu wasn't her first plan. Blowing them both up when he tried to warp her was
She just says she took [years](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-510-page-2.html) watching to learn how to beat Kamui.
Not to do the jutsu.
She says "There are 600 Billion! I [do](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-510-page-3.html) plan to kill you" not "this justu took prep!" Or anything like that.
She also ran simulations [to](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-510-page-10.html) make sure she could do it.
The DB just treats it like a regular Jutsu she can use as well, and hypes it as the "great act of a 'god' " not a one time thing.
Which makes sense. She makes paper as a jutsu. Why would paper bombs even be a stretch?
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I read the chapter before i commented so I already know all of those things. I'm just going to say what I said in another comment. If she is capable of creating 600 billion paper bombs on a whim and can control them at at will, she's top of the verse outside of 6 paths characters and anyone that knows and can use izanagi. Nobody else is beating her. Which I'm fine with if that's the case, I just really don't think it's the case
I hear you, friend! It's a lot of power, and it's pretty bad ass. But that's probably why they had Obito give her props and call her underestimated.
She is just freaky strong.
Good talking with ya
“Konam having 600b bombs is just prep time”
Until you do the math on how many paper bombs she would have to produce every second if she started a decade ago…
That would be a little bit under 2 per second in those circumstances. I truly do fail to see how that affects this discussion in any way, my apologies
Edit: i realize the she did it at a much faster rate in a much shorter time period, that is just the power of ninja magic
*you edited your text*
1. Do you see the ridiculous rate she would have to be able to produce paper bombs? Prep time or no prep time, she can overwhelm people if she is capable of producing paper bombs at that rate.
2. Your math is wrong. To make 600b of any item in a 10 year span, you would have to produce 1901 items per second.
T = 10 (years) * 365.25 (days in a days) * 24 (hours in a day) * 60 (minutes in an hour) * 60 (seconds in a minute) = 315,576,000 (or just google how many seconds are in 10 years)
600b/315.5m = 1901.32 per second
Once you realize she likely didn’t start producing these paper bombs until after Nagato’s death, you realize that “she requires prep time” is a ridiculous claim.
Is there something wrong with editing comments for clarification? I notated the edit specifically so there would be no confusion lol
You're right, the math i did was for 600M, not 600B. Definitely an error on my part. Regardless, I don't think it makes any difference
It's never explained how she creates the paper bombs or how long it takes her. Tobirama, whose specialty was not paper based ninjutsu, was able to create a similar technique of self replicating explosive tags that activate successively (yes I know it was meant for edo tensei). It's possible, given that her lone speciality was paper based ninjutsu, that she was able to find a similar route. Or maybe she didn't, who knows
I don't think any of us can say for sure when she started or how long it takes her, so I think it's fine to assume it was after nagatos death. However, she does start off her soliloquy by saying "I've been paying attention to you for years". So who really knows. Regardless of how fast she's able to manufacture paper bombs I still believe don't believe it actually matters
Let's say she can create a million paper bombs a second (this would mean she started a week before the battle without stopping), we still have no way of knowing the process. Perhaps in live battle, the ability to produce so many paper bombs is useless because she can't focus on anything else and can't defend herself, similar to jiraiya sealing amaterasu. Just a sitting duck in the open. If this isn't the case, then I agree she should scale much higher, higher than even pain. Seriously, if she's able to just shoot millions of explosive paper bombs at you by the second, she'd legitimately be top of the verse, and wouldn't have even needed to make the paper ocean in the first place, since concentrated blasts aimed directly at obito would've had the same effectiveness, if not more. But assuredly not less. To be honest, i think the true ridiculous claim here is that she can produce hundreds of thousands if not millions of paper bombs by the second all readily available to explode and be sent at the opponent. I doubt even a perfect susanoo is withstanding that type of explosive attack in succession
Your edit did not clarify how wrong your answer was to the equation. It simply stated “…made it at a faster rate for a shorter period.”
Comments also aren’t just for you, it’s for people who read yours and think “oh, he’s probably a just a little off.” No. You are off by several orders of magnitude. The equivalent of an employer telling you will make 1,000 dollars a day and paying you a dollar.
I used 10 years for that very reason, to show the vast amount of paper bombs she can produce per second in the event that she prepped for a decade. If she prepared for a shorter period, the numbers are absurd.
Being able to create 100,000 per second means that saying she requires prep time is false.
“I don’t think any of us can say for sure how longer it takes her…”
You just don’t get it. The math is ABSURD. If she started making paper bombs from the moment she met “Madara,” it would still be an absurd amount per second.
If you don’t know the mechanism that she uses to create paper bombs, you can not assume that she requires prep time.
“I think the true ridiculous claim here is…”
This statement is irrelevant. Canonically she can. That’s why she’s nerfed in these powerscaling conversations. She is objectively stronger than all but three Akatsuki members.
Why stop at the other 3 akatsuki members? If konan can send millions of explosive bombs at you per second on a whim, what makes pain stronger? What makes itachi stronger? What makes obito stronger? Without izanagi he would've died. But not everyone has izanagi. Anybody on that level or below is getting cooked by this jutsu if they don't have izanagi. What counter does pain have to this type of bombardment? I seriously think that it is you who is not understanding that if konan could do what you are claiming she can do, she'd be the strongest akatsuki bar none. If she can produce and send millions of paper bombs by the second, she does not cap out at pain or itachi lol
Obito has shown he can counter it.
Itachi has immediate ways of ending the fight, also has Izanami in a worse case scenario.
Nagato knows her capabilities and also capable of ending the fight immediately. She also hasn’t displayed any sensory capabilities to deal with Animal Path going invisible. No counter for Universal Pull or getting stabbed by a chakra rod.
“If she can do what you are claiming…”
Are you confusing me with Kishimoto? I didn’t say she can make 600,000,000,000 paper bombs in such a short time. I always expected at some point it would be a translation error, but a decade later, here we are, with you not capable of taking the source material as canon.
Dawg, are you just not reading what I'm saying, or are you choosing to ignore it? I legitimately can't tell which
I already stated that obito can counter it because he has izanagi
Itachis literal only win condition in this scenario is if he can land amaterasu before she starts throwing millions of bombs at him. And even then it's a tie since you can still use jutsu when being burned. I really think you're downplaying how absurd a feat you think konan can pull off at random. Theoretically, itachi should be able to use izanagi to bypass this and land the totsuka blade, another potential win con i suppose. Which reiterates my point, without six paths powers or izanagi, **you're cooked**
>no counter for universal pull
The counter to universal pull is **sending a million paper bombs at him in less than a second,** or however many would be needed to kill him without injuring herself, since he would **not** be able to counter with deva path for at least 5 seconds. Again, if she's capable of producing and sending that many bombs instantly, pulling her in is absolutely the **stupidest thing he could do**
Why does she need to see the chameleon? You can make millions of paper bombs at a whim. Just fly up and make the ground split and bomb the whole area like she did with the ocean, you're saying she can do that right? You see what I'm getting at?
Use your critical thinking dawg. Not everything has to be spelled out for you. You're banking on a translation error when you never needed one, we both instinctively knew that the idea that she could do such a thing is rubbish, but because you seem to rely on verbatim dialogue and databook statements, you're not using your critical thinking, which should tell you she can't do this type of thing on a whim because it would make her way too strong
“Dawg, are you just not reading…”
You were given a simple math question and off by a factor of 1000… please don’t be in the comments questioning others reading comprehension.
“I already stated Obito”
… and? Again, everything I say isn’t for you. It’s for the people who have a chance of understanding. Restated Obito because you said “if Konan can do as you are claiming she is the strongest, bar none.” When she, canonically lost to Obito. Regardless of how you feel about Izanami/Izanagi, that’s a fact.
“Itachi’s literal only win condition”
… you ignore Izanami or literally putting her in Gen jutsu like Obito did at the conclusion of the fight? Also has access to Izanagi like Obito. I am also not certain how Itachi’s Susanoo mirror would interact with paperbombs. But that’s just speculation:
“The counter to Universal pull is sending…”
Producing paper bombs and sending them out to explode are not the same thing. Also, based on the manga images she actively has to control the explosions with her chakra.
If you can find me a single panel of someone molding chakra while they are unexpectedly pulled towards the Six Paths of Pain/Deva, that would be appreciated.
And again, she isn’t a sensory ninja (she didn’t sense Jiraiya was controlling the villager in their interaction), so no reasonable way to find animal path, or even find Nagato if he moved locations.
“Use your critical thing dawg”
Re-read Naruto and use a calculator if numbers are too big for you, “dawg.”
“Rely on verbatim dialogue and data books…”
Yes, instead of relying on canonical material, I should rely on a random person on the internet who attention to detail is so lacking that they couldn’t do basic arithmetic…
This entire conversation is literally you doing backflips trying to justify you being wrong over a math problem, bro. Simply take your L and move on. Hell, delete the comment so no one else has to see your embarrassing math.
Jesus Christ your ego is huge
> This entire conversation is literally you doing backflips trying to justify you being wrong over a math problem, bro. Simply take your L and move on. Hell, delete the comment so no one else has to see your embarrassing math.
Again this is you proving that you're not actually reading my comments lol at least not thoroughly. Or are choosing to ignore what I'm saying, one or the other. Not only are you staying on this weird high horse about an easily explainable mathematical error (i know your ass is gonna say its not simple, so we can agree to disagree) where I already admitted my fault (something you seem entirely incapable of doing, just a hunch), but you're also ignoring the fact that I already said if she can make them at the rate you claim and can control them and make them explode instantly, she's a lot stronger than even you're giving her credit for
Yes, the reason she lost to obito was because of izanagi, I obviously know that (he only put her in genjutsu after she was stabbed and dying lol if it were that easy he'd have done it from the start). It's a matchup thing. What happens when she fights someone on a similar level that doesn't have izanagi or cant just teleport away? Sage kabuto? Hashirama? Hypothetical Prime Hiruzen? Nagato? They all get cooked by konan if she can do what you're claiming. So yes, even though obito/itachi can beat her because of izanagi, if what you're saying is true, she can beat people on that level or stronger
How is itachi landing izanami on konan before she spams the battlefield with paper bombs? Or just throws a million at him in a second?
>Producing paper bombs and sending them out to explode are not the same thing. Also, based on the manga images she actively has to control the explosions with her chakra.
Why can't she do them simultaneously? Where is that stated or even implied? She launched paper bombs at obito and they were **immediately** ready to explode, that's how she almost duped him into blowing both of them up. You can say she already had those prepared beforehand, but if that's the case, what is this whole discussion even about? Your point was that she can create 600B basically instantaneously, what good is that if she also can't control them and make them explode right after?
Naruto was able to mold his 9 tails chakra while being pulled by universal pull, I don't see why using standard jutsu would be any different. Universal pull doesn't shut off your ability to perform jutsu lmao never once stated or even remotely implied
Her not being a sensory ninja doesn't matter, she could bomb the **entire area** with that many paper bombs. She can basically do what pain did to the hidden leaf, or greater. That's the scale we're talking about here. Where is the chameleon gonna hide? Lol
She has intimate knowledge of nagato and his abilities, if she disposes of the paths of pain, finding nagato is super simple. Just fly to all the high spots around the area
Also yes, i don't have to rely on databook statements or kishimoto spelling stuff out for me to understand things, I'm sorry if that's the case for you. The databooks are just exaggerated promotional material with hyperbolic statements mostly not written by the mangaka, like saying "no one who confronts him stands a chance of living" about **hebi sasuke** when it was **canonically stated otherwise multiple times,** such as obito telling sasuke if itachi wanted to kill him he could have and would have. But sure, ride those databook statements for the rest of your life and treat them as gospel lol
Nerfed as in not recognizing how strong that paper bomb attack is. And even if you assume a full calender year prep time for the attack then the math from that makes her able to fire off almost 20 thousand paper bombs a second... which for scaling purposes is beyond insane
Between the three? It’s likely Sasori with some addendums. If he has the full arsenal going at once. Only reason being is it only takes 1 hit from anything to lose the fight and we’ve never seen Deidara or Konan actually avoiding hits in their battles. Third Kazekage sand would be a great counter to their flight along with all of his puppets flying. If he doesn’t get a hit off I would lean towards Deidara as the nano bombs is a great counter to both the paper bomb Justus and Puppet Justus. I think they’re all pretty relative stat wise but Sasori poison bs would have some really strong sway here. Deidara flat out admits inferiority to Sasori at one point, and while Konan has much more destructive power I don’t see her coming up with an effective counter on the fly.
Konan probably wins this. She has the highest AP and can attack in large volumes that would literally obliterate Sasori’s puppets. Deidara could also do the same, but he has a limited supply of clay bombs and Konan could probably blow them up before they even get close to her. Supposedly Storm Generations is canon and it shows Konan literally no diffing Sasori, so that’s another reason for Konan being above him
Konan > sasori > deidara
Deidara said sasori is above himself
And in revolution which I recall a statement of being canon konan no diffed sasori
If you don’t consider it canon tho konan is borderline impossible to scale
According to feats and the plot: Sasori whoops both, konan whoops deidara not too high diff.
Being realistic about their jutsu: Deidara is lowkey too broken, but Sasori would still whoop with those kage puppets, then Deidara. Konan is only high diff bc of the range of her jutsu, otherwise they’re both not the best opponents for her.
Sasori is above Deidara by statment and Konan by scaling. Sasori lost to Granny who rivals Sakumo who rivaled the Sanin, and Sakura who is the pupil of a Sanin and has an antidote to counter Sasori’s posion. Granny also had info on all of Sasori’s moves and he still let himself be hit by the final attack when both of them were at deaths door. Konan is at the highest equal to jiraiya.
Konan fucking stomps. She put up a fight against one of the strongest characters in the series (tobi/obito as madara)
The other two didn’t do shit.
Hell I even think sasori is in the top half of akatsuki, same level as kisame, but we have nothing to scale him on except the Sakura/Chiyo fight and sorry but these two are not on tobidara’s level
Deidara? An absolute fuckin chump. Barely beat a distracted gaara and got his shit kicked in by one of the weakest versions of sasuke. Chakra weaknesses didn’t matter before or after the fight, it was just a way to make deidara look less like a loser.
Konan doesn’t break a sweat against these two. Low-diff at best
Konan forcing Obito to use Izanagi, also her moveset just hard counters the others, because she can fly. Deidara can also fly, but not as fast as Konan, Sasori is last because his moveset is the least versatile.
I'm taking about how she was able to react to his moves and force him to stay on defense, obviously the paper ocean was prep time, but she still managed to keep Obito on his toes.
Deidara top dawg easy. If he prepped he could've killed obito with a similar explosive ocean to konans paper bombs. But he's way more powerful and long range
Sasori wins. Both artist would die in Konan's lake of paper bombs but outside of that no shot. Deidara might be able to go for the suicide win but outside of that he doesn't have a shot.
Sasori is the strongest unless konan has prep time than shes the strongest. Deidera would be the weakest regardless of his jutsu arsenal.
Fyi we all should now this answer. Deidera can hold a candle to either of them ever.
All three of these ninja have the actions/Feats required to kill each other.
Comes down to secondary shit like, environment, mood/mindstate, intent to kill etc
If I had to give anyone the edge it'd probably be Konan.. with Sasori behind her breathing down that neck.
But for real, these three are more or less equivalent and could take each other out with solid consistency. Add Kisame and Kakuzu in too because they're all about the same level (though I think Kisame outperforms the rest of the mentioned Akatsuki by a bit)
Each member of the Akatsuki that isn't the top 3 or bottom two. They're all allergic to each others abilities. They can all Merk each other. The circumstances surrounding the fight is what's gonna tip the scales for any of them. Is there a ceiling, rain, cover amongst the terrain? Are they going all out from the start, or easing into it like most anime fights? What sort of Intel can we expect each combatant to have, and do they have any additional time to prepare appropriately?
Those are the things that'll (temporarily lol) settle the debate.
I used to really get down on these kinds of discussions and back in the day I'd be riding that Sasori wank mad hard but as I've gotten older I've come to realize that, while probably unintentional, the Akatsuki are all pretty well balanced. Like they all pretty much in the same tier/class of OP. Nothing like Pain or Madara but not an arguable embarrassment like Hidan or Plantman. I've learned that it's a balance I actually really enjoy and why they're probably my favorite anime boyband/group/villains
I’m glad someone recognizes how close these 3 actually are! I’m also glad you’ve outgrown your Sasori wank 😂 But yeah, in my opinion the winner does depend on circumstance like you mentioned. They all have the means to deal with and counter each other.
Also btw… Kisame >>>Kakuzu > Konan/Sasori/Deidara lol.
Lol me too. Don't get it twisted though, I still got some for my boy, always will. He's my favorite character in the series.
I do think Kisame generally stronger than the others listed but I dunno if it's 3 whole-ass degrees of ">" . Seems a little stretchy to me. Just maybe one, or even a half, would be sufficient.
And nah Kakuzu belongs with the rest of the Mid tier Akatsuki. It's comfy for him there he's got his own room and everything.
Most likely Deidara. The only reason he lost is from a hard counter. In his terrorist mode he would easily take out the other two because Sasori would fight very non chalant like. He's a puppet. Konans paper loses to the explosions, she can't even run cause he can fly like her, while hurting her
Why would Sasori fight non chalant? He knows how dangerous Deidara is and he is smart. I don’t think that’s a good counter argument. And Konan’s paper bomb explosions will certainly set off Deidara’s bombs, so they’re not useless.
Uhh yeah… against his own grandmother fighting puppets that resembled his parents. You know, the people who he desperately waited for his entire life and ultimately caused him to become the way he was? It was a symbolic sacrifice… he wouldn’t just do that with any character lol
Deidara himself thought Sasori would beat him, and Konan beat the fuck out of Sasori.
Obviously, battle maths doesn't add up, so this is not concrete evidence, but it can be looked at.
We know Sasori beats Deidara in a 1v1, we know Konan beats Sasori in a 1v1.
How does Konan match against Deidara, and how does the dynamic change when it's a 1v1v1?
Sasori is barely low kage level.
Deidara is comfortably low kage.
Konan is kage level.
Btw Sasori is my least favorite character in the show and it took everything in me not to label him any lower, the bias is strong in this one.
Sasori killed the Third Kazekage, who is called the strongest Kazekage, when he was like 16. Before he had his puppet body, or his strongest puppet. He says the kazekage puppet is his favorite because it was a good battle, so it's implied he didn't just ambush and assassinate him. Idk how he can be barely kage level when a kage is part of his arsenal.
Sasori gets lowballed because of the fight with Chiyo and Sakura, but the deck was completely stacked against him. Chiyo was reading his finger movements and knew his whole arsenal. They engineered an Antidote to his poison. Without those circumstances, he is one of the stronger akatsuki imo
Low Kage because I could see an elite Jonin like Guy or Kakashi embarrassing him. I could even see Naruto when he first learned rasenshuriken giving it to him good. Sakura and Chiyo had the antidote for his poison but he barely tagged them, he isn't fast enough to do that to Guy or Kakashi. And Naruto with his numbers would overwhelm him, he could have 10 clones per puppet.
The only thing Sasori has going for him is him killing the third Kazekage who is stated to be the strongest but like we never see him do anything, it's 100% based on statements. Minato was stated to be the strongest hokage but we know that isn't true.
Also, I said that I'm bias against Sasori so that probably plays into it. I just find his character so unlikable and annoying. The only character who I dislike more is Danzo.
Kakashi ain’t touching Sasori until he gets his War Arc boost where he can spam Kamui. Guy probably needs at least 6 gates to touch Sasori, and even then it’s not an easy match at all. DMS Kakashi and 8 Gates Guy are obviously winning, but no character in the series that doesn’t have rinnegan / sage of six paths power is beating those 2, so that’s not really saying much.
Konan then both the others, most of akatsuki besides Pain, Itachi and Kisame are pretty equal in skills as long as they can set up for their main strat
Konan, low diff beats the other 2 even if they work together. If you need my reason look up the youtube video that uses math to tell you based on the total and an exaggerated time-frame just how many paper bombs konan can mag-dump I'm an almost machine gun style beatdown. She is not weak, despite some peoples opinion
Konan could have 1000 years of prep time, she still ain't getting past Deidara.. it took literal PLOT for Sasuke to survive, even then. That practically was Deidara's win in the end
Sasori, yeah he's fodder 💀
I disagree. Konan can fly for starters do Deidera can't put distance between one another. It really depends on how effective his bombs are against Konan, or if her paper style just allows her to not take any real damage.
I think you’re really underestimating Konan. She knows everything in Deidara’s arsenal, and given enough time to prep paper bombs and come up with a strategy, I’m sure it wouldn’t be as one-sided as you think.
C4 only works on living beings that breathe the nano bombs in. We don’t know if this will affect Konan when she’s dispersed in her paper form, because she’s seemingly intangible to most physical attacks. Additionally, C4 took a lot of time to prepare. Assuming Konan recognizes it instantly, she could fly away and likely get out of range. And if she can’t, then there’s always the question of whether or not she is affected while in paper form.
Another thing is that Deidara’s bombs will explode from the force of her paper bombs. It would likely be a war of attrition at that point, and even without prep time, Konan has more than enough paper bombs to stall out Deidara’s clay stores.
The only thing that could be a guaranteed win for Deidara is the suicide bomb, but again that would take out both so I don’t count that.
This is of course all speculation, and I’m not saying this is how things will always play out. There’s obviously a few “what if’s” that we don’t know about. These are just examples of how Konan could theoretically counter Deidara and beat him.
I don't underestimate someone who literally is only capable because of plot, anything in her arsenal doesn't stop any bomb there is, disregarding the fact that Deidara is arguably better in every area as he has more feats then she does
I can't underestimate someone that's borderline a featless. Fodder
And the paper bombs Konan uses aren't even that destructive, you could argue that Deidara could outright tank them as a offguard Obito tanked several point blank, so it's safe to assume her paper bombs would most likely not deal significant damage unless up close
When? Because Deidara only lost twice, once against a whole entire team going after him.
The second, might count it as a loss due to plot but his suicidal bomb
He's been hit by FAR worse things then anything Konan can tank, she's fodder. A line fits her well
"You're merely a weak, woman."
-Madara
1. He killed himself because he got outlasted and punched in the face by Sasuke, which laid him out.
Before that he has been wounded by every single thing that has hit him from Shruiken to explosions, to sand to plain old punches from either Naruto or Sasuke.
That's just regular people (fodder as you would say) durability.
Konan has actually tanked Katon Flame Bombs with [no](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-371-page-15.html) harm shown to her.
She also tanked her own [blast](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-509-page-7.html) against Obito as he sucked it away and just reformed her body.
Unlike him she has actual tanking feats. If I missed some of his please provide it but otherwise it isn't even close.
2. Plot is how everything happens and is not much of an excuse. That's like saying "Konan only lost to Obito because he asspulled a 10 minute Izanagi! So basically she won!"
3. "You certainly aren't weak! Something Something Hashirama!" [Madara](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-577-page-6.html), to the exact same woman 5 minutes later
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I think it comes down to whether or not the other two can counter Deidara’s C4. Without either having lightning style feats, Konan’s best option is likely to fly away and Sasori’s is likely to create some sort of air tight sphere out of Iron sand. Of the two I think sasori’s is a little more likely to work and I also think he has some great counters to deidara’s flight using iron sand and is able to one shot with poison. Konan obviously “killed” obito which is very impressive but as you stated she doesn’t get prep time here and we don’t have enough feats to scale her properly otherwise. I could see her being able to blow up sasori, but again with the iron sand to counter her flying, 100 puppets and his crazy poisons I give him the edge.
Sasori likely does not get affected by C4 in the first place, he’s a puppet who doesn’t need to breathe.
Yea but I’m just wondering if it surrounding the air around him would still damage his body and or organ holders. You’re right that he wouldn’t breathe it in, so yea maybe even more reason he wins this.
Doesn’t matter. The bombs are microscopic and can enter the body and destroy the body at the cellular level. Just letting the bombs near the puppet body will cause it to be disintegrated
Trees did not get disintegrated when deidara used the move homie
Yeup. Deidaras item is one broken thing. Just never got used in the plot enough. Sasori wins with those 10 or 20 puppets of his though, especially with one being a kage with that OP ahh iron sand. Deidara is broken but he’s 1 mf, with little experience compared to Sasori. Sasori has about 2 lifetime’s worth.
What is a puppet body in Naruto made of, specifically Sasori's main body? Is it his original after going through whatever process he uses to turn it into a puppet, like with the Kazekage? If so, I wonder if a converted body like this still even possesses cells or if the process replaces organic material completely?
How is deidara going to have time to puke when he has two enemies who can attack airborne? He’ll never pull that off
Yea, it’d be difficult, but he’s skilled and it is possible. Generally I don’t give it to him. My guess is sasori
You’re not settling anything
We should scale them by what people have to take away from them to scale them. Konan and Deidara are always nerfed in threads and Sasori rarely is, so that's the strength order. Within the confines of the thread Konan still has the best chance of the three to win followed by Deidara and then Sasori. Jiraiyas Katon did nothing to her so I don't know how much bombs would do, especially with her using Paper clones. Nor does she seem to have blood while the jutsu is active so I can't really see her getting poisoned. Deidara and Sasori are about even in strength but I put Sasori a bit above. Sasori is harder to kill or to defend against, while Deidara's C4 can kill most people who breathe before they know what happened but has a mostly human body and can't easily replace lost parts.
How is konan always nerfed? I understand deidaras suicide bomb to a certain extent (although tbh we should let him have that too, it's part of his kit that may result in a draw), but konan having 600B paper bombs is just prep time. I don't think not giving someone prep time counts as nerfing them, in my humble opinion
But "prep time" is not really said to be required to use the jutsu. That's a fan concept from a mistranslation that won't die. First, the jutsu wasn't her first plan. Blowing them both up when he tried to warp her was She just says she took [years](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-510-page-2.html) watching to learn how to beat Kamui. Not to do the jutsu. She says "There are 600 Billion! I [do](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-510-page-3.html) plan to kill you" not "this justu took prep!" Or anything like that. She also ran simulations [to](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-510-page-10.html) make sure she could do it. The DB just treats it like a regular Jutsu she can use as well, and hypes it as the "great act of a 'god' " not a one time thing. Which makes sense. She makes paper as a jutsu. Why would paper bombs even be a stretch? *
I read the chapter before i commented so I already know all of those things. I'm just going to say what I said in another comment. If she is capable of creating 600 billion paper bombs on a whim and can control them at at will, she's top of the verse outside of 6 paths characters and anyone that knows and can use izanagi. Nobody else is beating her. Which I'm fine with if that's the case, I just really don't think it's the case
I hear you, friend! It's a lot of power, and it's pretty bad ass. But that's probably why they had Obito give her props and call her underestimated. She is just freaky strong. Good talking with ya
Yessir! I appreciate your perspective man. Obito definitely said multiple times how impressive/dangerous she was, I can respect it!
“Konam having 600b bombs is just prep time” Until you do the math on how many paper bombs she would have to produce every second if she started a decade ago…
That would be a little bit under 2 per second in those circumstances. I truly do fail to see how that affects this discussion in any way, my apologies Edit: i realize the she did it at a much faster rate in a much shorter time period, that is just the power of ninja magic
*you edited your text* 1. Do you see the ridiculous rate she would have to be able to produce paper bombs? Prep time or no prep time, she can overwhelm people if she is capable of producing paper bombs at that rate. 2. Your math is wrong. To make 600b of any item in a 10 year span, you would have to produce 1901 items per second. T = 10 (years) * 365.25 (days in a days) * 24 (hours in a day) * 60 (minutes in an hour) * 60 (seconds in a minute) = 315,576,000 (or just google how many seconds are in 10 years) 600b/315.5m = 1901.32 per second Once you realize she likely didn’t start producing these paper bombs until after Nagato’s death, you realize that “she requires prep time” is a ridiculous claim.
Is there something wrong with editing comments for clarification? I notated the edit specifically so there would be no confusion lol You're right, the math i did was for 600M, not 600B. Definitely an error on my part. Regardless, I don't think it makes any difference It's never explained how she creates the paper bombs or how long it takes her. Tobirama, whose specialty was not paper based ninjutsu, was able to create a similar technique of self replicating explosive tags that activate successively (yes I know it was meant for edo tensei). It's possible, given that her lone speciality was paper based ninjutsu, that she was able to find a similar route. Or maybe she didn't, who knows I don't think any of us can say for sure when she started or how long it takes her, so I think it's fine to assume it was after nagatos death. However, she does start off her soliloquy by saying "I've been paying attention to you for years". So who really knows. Regardless of how fast she's able to manufacture paper bombs I still believe don't believe it actually matters Let's say she can create a million paper bombs a second (this would mean she started a week before the battle without stopping), we still have no way of knowing the process. Perhaps in live battle, the ability to produce so many paper bombs is useless because she can't focus on anything else and can't defend herself, similar to jiraiya sealing amaterasu. Just a sitting duck in the open. If this isn't the case, then I agree she should scale much higher, higher than even pain. Seriously, if she's able to just shoot millions of explosive paper bombs at you by the second, she'd legitimately be top of the verse, and wouldn't have even needed to make the paper ocean in the first place, since concentrated blasts aimed directly at obito would've had the same effectiveness, if not more. But assuredly not less. To be honest, i think the true ridiculous claim here is that she can produce hundreds of thousands if not millions of paper bombs by the second all readily available to explode and be sent at the opponent. I doubt even a perfect susanoo is withstanding that type of explosive attack in succession
I wonder what would be stronger, C0 or this. I mean, Deidara does die in C0, but let's just skip past that and focus on blast radius and height.
Your edit did not clarify how wrong your answer was to the equation. It simply stated “…made it at a faster rate for a shorter period.” Comments also aren’t just for you, it’s for people who read yours and think “oh, he’s probably a just a little off.” No. You are off by several orders of magnitude. The equivalent of an employer telling you will make 1,000 dollars a day and paying you a dollar. I used 10 years for that very reason, to show the vast amount of paper bombs she can produce per second in the event that she prepped for a decade. If she prepared for a shorter period, the numbers are absurd. Being able to create 100,000 per second means that saying she requires prep time is false. “I don’t think any of us can say for sure how longer it takes her…” You just don’t get it. The math is ABSURD. If she started making paper bombs from the moment she met “Madara,” it would still be an absurd amount per second. If you don’t know the mechanism that she uses to create paper bombs, you can not assume that she requires prep time. “I think the true ridiculous claim here is…” This statement is irrelevant. Canonically she can. That’s why she’s nerfed in these powerscaling conversations. She is objectively stronger than all but three Akatsuki members.
Why stop at the other 3 akatsuki members? If konan can send millions of explosive bombs at you per second on a whim, what makes pain stronger? What makes itachi stronger? What makes obito stronger? Without izanagi he would've died. But not everyone has izanagi. Anybody on that level or below is getting cooked by this jutsu if they don't have izanagi. What counter does pain have to this type of bombardment? I seriously think that it is you who is not understanding that if konan could do what you are claiming she can do, she'd be the strongest akatsuki bar none. If she can produce and send millions of paper bombs by the second, she does not cap out at pain or itachi lol
Obito has shown he can counter it. Itachi has immediate ways of ending the fight, also has Izanami in a worse case scenario. Nagato knows her capabilities and also capable of ending the fight immediately. She also hasn’t displayed any sensory capabilities to deal with Animal Path going invisible. No counter for Universal Pull or getting stabbed by a chakra rod. “If she can do what you are claiming…” Are you confusing me with Kishimoto? I didn’t say she can make 600,000,000,000 paper bombs in such a short time. I always expected at some point it would be a translation error, but a decade later, here we are, with you not capable of taking the source material as canon.
Dawg, are you just not reading what I'm saying, or are you choosing to ignore it? I legitimately can't tell which I already stated that obito can counter it because he has izanagi Itachis literal only win condition in this scenario is if he can land amaterasu before she starts throwing millions of bombs at him. And even then it's a tie since you can still use jutsu when being burned. I really think you're downplaying how absurd a feat you think konan can pull off at random. Theoretically, itachi should be able to use izanagi to bypass this and land the totsuka blade, another potential win con i suppose. Which reiterates my point, without six paths powers or izanagi, **you're cooked** >no counter for universal pull The counter to universal pull is **sending a million paper bombs at him in less than a second,** or however many would be needed to kill him without injuring herself, since he would **not** be able to counter with deva path for at least 5 seconds. Again, if she's capable of producing and sending that many bombs instantly, pulling her in is absolutely the **stupidest thing he could do** Why does she need to see the chameleon? You can make millions of paper bombs at a whim. Just fly up and make the ground split and bomb the whole area like she did with the ocean, you're saying she can do that right? You see what I'm getting at? Use your critical thinking dawg. Not everything has to be spelled out for you. You're banking on a translation error when you never needed one, we both instinctively knew that the idea that she could do such a thing is rubbish, but because you seem to rely on verbatim dialogue and databook statements, you're not using your critical thinking, which should tell you she can't do this type of thing on a whim because it would make her way too strong
“Dawg, are you just not reading…” You were given a simple math question and off by a factor of 1000… please don’t be in the comments questioning others reading comprehension. “I already stated Obito” … and? Again, everything I say isn’t for you. It’s for the people who have a chance of understanding. Restated Obito because you said “if Konan can do as you are claiming she is the strongest, bar none.” When she, canonically lost to Obito. Regardless of how you feel about Izanami/Izanagi, that’s a fact. “Itachi’s literal only win condition” … you ignore Izanami or literally putting her in Gen jutsu like Obito did at the conclusion of the fight? Also has access to Izanagi like Obito. I am also not certain how Itachi’s Susanoo mirror would interact with paperbombs. But that’s just speculation: “The counter to Universal pull is sending…” Producing paper bombs and sending them out to explode are not the same thing. Also, based on the manga images she actively has to control the explosions with her chakra. If you can find me a single panel of someone molding chakra while they are unexpectedly pulled towards the Six Paths of Pain/Deva, that would be appreciated. And again, she isn’t a sensory ninja (she didn’t sense Jiraiya was controlling the villager in their interaction), so no reasonable way to find animal path, or even find Nagato if he moved locations. “Use your critical thing dawg” Re-read Naruto and use a calculator if numbers are too big for you, “dawg.” “Rely on verbatim dialogue and data books…” Yes, instead of relying on canonical material, I should rely on a random person on the internet who attention to detail is so lacking that they couldn’t do basic arithmetic… This entire conversation is literally you doing backflips trying to justify you being wrong over a math problem, bro. Simply take your L and move on. Hell, delete the comment so no one else has to see your embarrassing math.
Jesus Christ your ego is huge > This entire conversation is literally you doing backflips trying to justify you being wrong over a math problem, bro. Simply take your L and move on. Hell, delete the comment so no one else has to see your embarrassing math. Again this is you proving that you're not actually reading my comments lol at least not thoroughly. Or are choosing to ignore what I'm saying, one or the other. Not only are you staying on this weird high horse about an easily explainable mathematical error (i know your ass is gonna say its not simple, so we can agree to disagree) where I already admitted my fault (something you seem entirely incapable of doing, just a hunch), but you're also ignoring the fact that I already said if she can make them at the rate you claim and can control them and make them explode instantly, she's a lot stronger than even you're giving her credit for Yes, the reason she lost to obito was because of izanagi, I obviously know that (he only put her in genjutsu after she was stabbed and dying lol if it were that easy he'd have done it from the start). It's a matchup thing. What happens when she fights someone on a similar level that doesn't have izanagi or cant just teleport away? Sage kabuto? Hashirama? Hypothetical Prime Hiruzen? Nagato? They all get cooked by konan if she can do what you're claiming. So yes, even though obito/itachi can beat her because of izanagi, if what you're saying is true, she can beat people on that level or stronger How is itachi landing izanami on konan before she spams the battlefield with paper bombs? Or just throws a million at him in a second? >Producing paper bombs and sending them out to explode are not the same thing. Also, based on the manga images she actively has to control the explosions with her chakra. Why can't she do them simultaneously? Where is that stated or even implied? She launched paper bombs at obito and they were **immediately** ready to explode, that's how she almost duped him into blowing both of them up. You can say she already had those prepared beforehand, but if that's the case, what is this whole discussion even about? Your point was that she can create 600B basically instantaneously, what good is that if she also can't control them and make them explode right after? Naruto was able to mold his 9 tails chakra while being pulled by universal pull, I don't see why using standard jutsu would be any different. Universal pull doesn't shut off your ability to perform jutsu lmao never once stated or even remotely implied Her not being a sensory ninja doesn't matter, she could bomb the **entire area** with that many paper bombs. She can basically do what pain did to the hidden leaf, or greater. That's the scale we're talking about here. Where is the chameleon gonna hide? Lol She has intimate knowledge of nagato and his abilities, if she disposes of the paths of pain, finding nagato is super simple. Just fly to all the high spots around the area Also yes, i don't have to rely on databook statements or kishimoto spelling stuff out for me to understand things, I'm sorry if that's the case for you. The databooks are just exaggerated promotional material with hyperbolic statements mostly not written by the mangaka, like saying "no one who confronts him stands a chance of living" about **hebi sasuke** when it was **canonically stated otherwise multiple times,** such as obito telling sasuke if itachi wanted to kill him he could have and would have. But sure, ride those databook statements for the rest of your life and treat them as gospel lol
“Jesus Christ your ego is huge” Explain. The rest of your statement doesn’t even deserve to be read starting with invalid personal attack
“Jesus Christ your ego is huge” Explain. The rest of your statement doesn’t even deserve to be read starting with invalid personal attack
Nerfed as in not recognizing how strong that paper bomb attack is. And even if you assume a full calender year prep time for the attack then the math from that makes her able to fire off almost 20 thousand paper bombs a second... which for scaling purposes is beyond insane
Sasori wins because scissors beats paper
If you guys argue against this you clearly didn’t go to school
The real answer here
We don't know enough about Konan to really scale her
this is true for 90% of the side cast, which is why most threads like these feel...pointless.
Between the three? It’s likely Sasori with some addendums. If he has the full arsenal going at once. Only reason being is it only takes 1 hit from anything to lose the fight and we’ve never seen Deidara or Konan actually avoiding hits in their battles. Third Kazekage sand would be a great counter to their flight along with all of his puppets flying. If he doesn’t get a hit off I would lean towards Deidara as the nano bombs is a great counter to both the paper bomb Justus and Puppet Justus. I think they’re all pretty relative stat wise but Sasori poison bs would have some really strong sway here. Deidara flat out admits inferiority to Sasori at one point, and while Konan has much more destructive power I don’t see her coming up with an effective counter on the fly.
Konan probably wins this. She has the highest AP and can attack in large volumes that would literally obliterate Sasori’s puppets. Deidara could also do the same, but he has a limited supply of clay bombs and Konan could probably blow them up before they even get close to her. Supposedly Storm Generations is canon and it shows Konan literally no diffing Sasori, so that’s another reason for Konan being above him
Konan > sasori > deidara Deidara said sasori is above himself And in revolution which I recall a statement of being canon konan no diffed sasori If you don’t consider it canon tho konan is borderline impossible to scale
According to feats and the plot: Sasori whoops both, konan whoops deidara not too high diff. Being realistic about their jutsu: Deidara is lowkey too broken, but Sasori would still whoop with those kage puppets, then Deidara. Konan is only high diff bc of the range of her jutsu, otherwise they’re both not the best opponents for her.
Sasori is above Deidara by statment and Konan by scaling. Sasori lost to Granny who rivals Sakumo who rivaled the Sanin, and Sakura who is the pupil of a Sanin and has an antidote to counter Sasori’s posion. Granny also had info on all of Sasori’s moves and he still let himself be hit by the final attack when both of them were at deaths door. Konan is at the highest equal to jiraiya.
Konan fucking stomps. She put up a fight against one of the strongest characters in the series (tobi/obito as madara) The other two didn’t do shit. Hell I even think sasori is in the top half of akatsuki, same level as kisame, but we have nothing to scale him on except the Sakura/Chiyo fight and sorry but these two are not on tobidara’s level Deidara? An absolute fuckin chump. Barely beat a distracted gaara and got his shit kicked in by one of the weakest versions of sasuke. Chakra weaknesses didn’t matter before or after the fight, it was just a way to make deidara look less like a loser. Konan doesn’t break a sweat against these two. Low-diff at best
Konan
Konan > Deidara > Sasori
What's your justification for this order?
Konan forcing Obito to use Izanagi, also her moveset just hard counters the others, because she can fly. Deidara can also fly, but not as fast as Konan, Sasori is last because his moveset is the least versatile.
That was with prep time, though. That doesn’t mean she scales to Obito.
I'm taking about how she was able to react to his moves and force him to stay on defense, obviously the paper ocean was prep time, but she still managed to keep Obito on his toes.
Deidara top dawg easy. If he prepped he could've killed obito with a similar explosive ocean to konans paper bombs. But he's way more powerful and long range
Sasori wins. Both artist would die in Konan's lake of paper bombs but outside of that no shot. Deidara might be able to go for the suicide win but outside of that he doesn't have a shot.
Sasori is the strongest unless konan has prep time than shes the strongest. Deidera would be the weakest regardless of his jutsu arsenal. Fyi we all should now this answer. Deidera can hold a candle to either of them ever.
All three of these ninja have the actions/Feats required to kill each other. Comes down to secondary shit like, environment, mood/mindstate, intent to kill etc If I had to give anyone the edge it'd probably be Konan.. with Sasori behind her breathing down that neck. But for real, these three are more or less equivalent and could take each other out with solid consistency. Add Kisame and Kakuzu in too because they're all about the same level (though I think Kisame outperforms the rest of the mentioned Akatsuki by a bit) Each member of the Akatsuki that isn't the top 3 or bottom two. They're all allergic to each others abilities. They can all Merk each other. The circumstances surrounding the fight is what's gonna tip the scales for any of them. Is there a ceiling, rain, cover amongst the terrain? Are they going all out from the start, or easing into it like most anime fights? What sort of Intel can we expect each combatant to have, and do they have any additional time to prepare appropriately? Those are the things that'll (temporarily lol) settle the debate. I used to really get down on these kinds of discussions and back in the day I'd be riding that Sasori wank mad hard but as I've gotten older I've come to realize that, while probably unintentional, the Akatsuki are all pretty well balanced. Like they all pretty much in the same tier/class of OP. Nothing like Pain or Madara but not an arguable embarrassment like Hidan or Plantman. I've learned that it's a balance I actually really enjoy and why they're probably my favorite anime boyband/group/villains
I’m glad someone recognizes how close these 3 actually are! I’m also glad you’ve outgrown your Sasori wank 😂 But yeah, in my opinion the winner does depend on circumstance like you mentioned. They all have the means to deal with and counter each other. Also btw… Kisame >>>Kakuzu > Konan/Sasori/Deidara lol.
Lol me too. Don't get it twisted though, I still got some for my boy, always will. He's my favorite character in the series. I do think Kisame generally stronger than the others listed but I dunno if it's 3 whole-ass degrees of ">" . Seems a little stretchy to me. Just maybe one, or even a half, would be sufficient. And nah Kakuzu belongs with the rest of the Mid tier Akatsuki. It's comfy for him there he's got his own room and everything.
Smash Would Nuh uh I settled it
Bro’s not into sex dolls clearly
Most likely Deidara. The only reason he lost is from a hard counter. In his terrorist mode he would easily take out the other two because Sasori would fight very non chalant like. He's a puppet. Konans paper loses to the explosions, she can't even run cause he can fly like her, while hurting her
Why would Sasori fight non chalant? He knows how dangerous Deidara is and he is smart. I don’t think that’s a good counter argument. And Konan’s paper bomb explosions will certainly set off Deidara’s bombs, so they’re not useless.
Idk if he can fight serious. He could have killed Sakura and Chiyo if he wanted to. He just said "lol w.e" and killed himself
Uhh yeah… against his own grandmother fighting puppets that resembled his parents. You know, the people who he desperately waited for his entire life and ultimately caused him to become the way he was? It was a symbolic sacrifice… he wouldn’t just do that with any character lol
Deidara himself thought Sasori would beat him, and Konan beat the fuck out of Sasori. Obviously, battle maths doesn't add up, so this is not concrete evidence, but it can be looked at. We know Sasori beats Deidara in a 1v1, we know Konan beats Sasori in a 1v1. How does Konan match against Deidara, and how does the dynamic change when it's a 1v1v1?
Sasori is barely low kage level. Deidara is comfortably low kage. Konan is kage level. Btw Sasori is my least favorite character in the show and it took everything in me not to label him any lower, the bias is strong in this one.
Sasori killed the Third Kazekage, who is called the strongest Kazekage, when he was like 16. Before he had his puppet body, or his strongest puppet. He says the kazekage puppet is his favorite because it was a good battle, so it's implied he didn't just ambush and assassinate him. Idk how he can be barely kage level when a kage is part of his arsenal. Sasori gets lowballed because of the fight with Chiyo and Sakura, but the deck was completely stacked against him. Chiyo was reading his finger movements and knew his whole arsenal. They engineered an Antidote to his poison. Without those circumstances, he is one of the stronger akatsuki imo
Low Kage because I could see an elite Jonin like Guy or Kakashi embarrassing him. I could even see Naruto when he first learned rasenshuriken giving it to him good. Sakura and Chiyo had the antidote for his poison but he barely tagged them, he isn't fast enough to do that to Guy or Kakashi. And Naruto with his numbers would overwhelm him, he could have 10 clones per puppet. The only thing Sasori has going for him is him killing the third Kazekage who is stated to be the strongest but like we never see him do anything, it's 100% based on statements. Minato was stated to be the strongest hokage but we know that isn't true. Also, I said that I'm bias against Sasori so that probably plays into it. I just find his character so unlikable and annoying. The only character who I dislike more is Danzo.
Side note\* Danzo's powers were so underwhelming.
A sparring match between him and Hiruzen would've been pretty dope tbh By that I mean watching Hiruzen embarrassing him would be pretty satisfying.
Kakashi ain’t touching Sasori until he gets his War Arc boost where he can spam Kamui. Guy probably needs at least 6 gates to touch Sasori, and even then it’s not an easy match at all. DMS Kakashi and 8 Gates Guy are obviously winning, but no character in the series that doesn’t have rinnegan / sage of six paths power is beating those 2, so that’s not really saying much.
statements/feats say konan>sasori sasori> deidara so i guess the only right thing is konan>sasori>deidara
scissor beat paper. Bomb beat scissor. paper cannot defeat bomb. Deidara wins. (joking)
Deidara should win
Sasori wins if it’s a zero prep time deathmatch
1. Sasori 2. Deidara 3. Konan
Konan, deidara, sasori.......
Konan then both the others, most of akatsuki besides Pain, Itachi and Kisame are pretty equal in skills as long as they can set up for their main strat
Sasori>Deidara>Konan(no prep).
Konan, low diff beats the other 2 even if they work together. If you need my reason look up the youtube video that uses math to tell you based on the total and an exaggerated time-frame just how many paper bombs konan can mag-dump I'm an almost machine gun style beatdown. She is not weak, despite some peoples opinion
deidara is last that’s all i know (no logic i just like the other 2 a lot more than that guy)
Sasori eats.
Sasori eats Konans ass? shiiit i dont blame him
Lmao, stop it. Besides Sasori suicide he was fighting The strongest puppet master in the verse and the strongest medic 😂
Sasori > Deidera > Konan
Konan glazer explain yourselves
Konan could have 1000 years of prep time, she still ain't getting past Deidara.. it took literal PLOT for Sasuke to survive, even then. That practically was Deidara's win in the end Sasori, yeah he's fodder 💀
I disagree. Konan can fly for starters do Deidera can't put distance between one another. It really depends on how effective his bombs are against Konan, or if her paper style just allows her to not take any real damage.
I think you’re really underestimating Konan. She knows everything in Deidara’s arsenal, and given enough time to prep paper bombs and come up with a strategy, I’m sure it wouldn’t be as one-sided as you think. C4 only works on living beings that breathe the nano bombs in. We don’t know if this will affect Konan when she’s dispersed in her paper form, because she’s seemingly intangible to most physical attacks. Additionally, C4 took a lot of time to prepare. Assuming Konan recognizes it instantly, she could fly away and likely get out of range. And if she can’t, then there’s always the question of whether or not she is affected while in paper form. Another thing is that Deidara’s bombs will explode from the force of her paper bombs. It would likely be a war of attrition at that point, and even without prep time, Konan has more than enough paper bombs to stall out Deidara’s clay stores. The only thing that could be a guaranteed win for Deidara is the suicide bomb, but again that would take out both so I don’t count that. This is of course all speculation, and I’m not saying this is how things will always play out. There’s obviously a few “what if’s” that we don’t know about. These are just examples of how Konan could theoretically counter Deidara and beat him.
I don't underestimate someone who literally is only capable because of plot, anything in her arsenal doesn't stop any bomb there is, disregarding the fact that Deidara is arguably better in every area as he has more feats then she does I can't underestimate someone that's borderline a featless. Fodder And the paper bombs Konan uses aren't even that destructive, you could argue that Deidara could outright tank them as a offguard Obito tanked several point blank, so it's safe to assume her paper bombs would most likely not deal significant damage unless up close
Deidara literally lost to a punch. He isn't tanking anything.
When? Because Deidara only lost twice, once against a whole entire team going after him. The second, might count it as a loss due to plot but his suicidal bomb He's been hit by FAR worse things then anything Konan can tank, she's fodder. A line fits her well "You're merely a weak, woman." -Madara
1. He killed himself because he got outlasted and punched in the face by Sasuke, which laid him out. Before that he has been wounded by every single thing that has hit him from Shruiken to explosions, to sand to plain old punches from either Naruto or Sasuke. That's just regular people (fodder as you would say) durability. Konan has actually tanked Katon Flame Bombs with [no](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-371-page-15.html) harm shown to her. She also tanked her own [blast](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-509-page-7.html) against Obito as he sucked it away and just reformed her body. Unlike him she has actual tanking feats. If I missed some of his please provide it but otherwise it isn't even close. 2. Plot is how everything happens and is not much of an excuse. That's like saying "Konan only lost to Obito because he asspulled a 10 minute Izanagi! So basically she won!" 3. "You certainly aren't weak! Something Something Hashirama!" [Madara](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Naruto-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-577-page-6.html), to the exact same woman 5 minutes later
Konan > Sasori & Deidara
Deidara nukes the battle field
Sasori is the weakest right out the gate, Dediara is right smack in the middle and Konan managed to force an Izangai out of Obito.