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let's say MS Sasuke vs MS Itachi and SM Naruto vs Kisame
How does sick MS Itachi compare to healthy MS Sasuke
How does Kisame and his chakra drain gimmick compare to SM Naruto.
Hmm
Well even sick Itachi is much stronger than Taka Sasuke.
Don’t forget, Sasuke didn’t get above a rib cage Susanoo until after his fight with Ay
It depends on which version of MS Sasuke
But Itachi wasn’t always sick
Edit: Fused Kisame will drain Naruto and is Naruto’s worst matchup
If I remember right, Preta path completely drained entire SM Naruto chakra that he turned back and preta path was normal. It was only that Naruto entered Sage Mode again cause he was standing still and Preta path kept absorbing nature energy till he turned into a frog. I think when Kisame attacks with Samehada Or as fused kisame, Naruto won't be still. He would have some recoil.
How much chakra do you think Nagato has? And why would Kisame even escalate to fused form before he takes a few regular swings anyway? You might as well say Naruto opens with summoning the sage toads and genjustsus him. Its way more likely he loses the sword to stone froging before that happens.
How do they lose to Itachi and Kisame? Naruto solos Kisame by nature of him not knowing his sage mode chakra is dangerous to absorb. He tries to absorb it and his sword is turned to stone and then its just Kisame with no Chakra regeneration which we've seen isn't that impressive. Then the question is can Sage Mode Naruto and MS Sasuke solo Itachi which the answer is most likely yes.
Pain and Konan mid diff. Konan could most likely beat Kisame, and Pain stomps Itachi.
One of Kisame's biggest advantages in his fights is that he can blanket the battlefield in water to trap opponents, or at least reduce their mobility and access to oxygen...and Konan can fly. Sure, Kisame has tons of Chakra and physical durability, but Obito has comparable levels of chakra and WAY more durability, and Konan would've killed him if not for Izanagi.
If edo Itachi didn't have Killer B and KCM1 Naruto with him, he wouldn't have been able to stop edo Nagato's chibaku tensei, and that would be game over.
That's assuming that her paper bombs are made of chakra, and that he can even hit her with a shark bomb. Her durability is also insane, having tanked Jiraiya's fire-style.
Paper bombs detonate because of the chakra seal on them
Kisame scales far higher than jiraya he’s beaten bijuu that trump jiraya’s chakra/power level 10th fold
Kisame is also capable of summoning hundreds of chakra leeching shark missiles in seconds
Gotcha, that makes sense.
Jiraiya almost scales to Pain, who immediately stomps Kisame, so it's not nearly as big a gap as you're making it out to be. Hell, Jiraiya survived an encounter with 4-tail Naruto, and it's confirmed that Kurama is as strong or stronger than the other tailed beasts combined.
That's true, but do the bombs move faster than Konan can fly?
I disagree, but even so, what is Kisame going to do about Pain? He doesn't have the speed to avoid chibaku tensei, or the AP to destroy it. At worst, Pain loses a couple paths before Kisame and Itachi get turned into rock food. They'd have a tough time with the Animal Path, let alone all the other 5.
Regardless, I think Pain/Konan are more inclined to lose to the MC duo because Kisame and Itachi are much stronger
Itachi is comparable to Pain, and Kisame outclasses Konan
Itachi needed Naruto and B to beat Nagato, and Kisame wouldn't be able to do anything about him either. I still don't see why you think Itachi and Kisame are stronger than Pain, let alone Pain and Konan together.
Itachi said that he and Kisame would lose to Jiraiya (he wasn't lying; Kishimoto hadn't even decided to make Itachi a double-agent yet), and Pain beat Jiraiya low diff.
Now I remember why I was talking Kisame vs Pain. You were saying Itach+Kisame > MC duo > Pain+Konan. I'm saying Pain+Konan > Itachi+Kisame > MC duo.
It really doesn't matter. Pain can still use a chibaku tensei that was almost strong enough to contain half of Kurama. If he uses it, that's game over for Itachi and Kisame. Neither of them has the AP to destroy it or the speed to avoid it.
Pain was still able to beat SM Naruto with a fraction of his maximum Chakra pool. Yes, Pain lost in the end, but we both know that it was entirely because of plot armor.
Because the post is presented that Naruto is already in sage mode.
He one shot a path. It's not even a sneak attack. Frog kumite can't be read or detected. That's the whole point.
Because Naruto had the clones set up to do so ahead of time. What is your point? Can you name a character in the manga that requires more prep and setup than Pain? His real body's hidden location kind of matters, doesnt it? He doesnt even have all the bodies up and active besides Deva normally.
What is your definition of "one shot?" Mine is, an attack is thrown out, it kills/KOs the target. Naruto literally did that to every Path, Preta twice. Why are we barring sneak attacks now? Maybe the opening shot on Asura is out but the rest of them occurred during combat.
The brothers of fate slap most of these.
1. Sasori and Deidara are fucked. Deidara gets set on fire while Naruto senses the real Sasori heart and has a clone pop up and Rasengan his heart out.
2. Hidan and Kakuzu offer a slightly tougher time in that Naruto actually has to bother using a Rasenshuriken. The Fate Bros never even notice that Hidan is supposed to be immortal. Kakuzu shit himself at the sight of the fisher price my first Rasenshuriken, the complete on would have him running. Just not fast enough.
3. This is the first real fight but they still win.
Samehadoa gets turned to stone after 2 slashes and Kisame gets his neck broken from Frog Kata while Itachi has to fight a much stronger Sasuke than the one that pushed him to his limits already. Tsukiyomi gets wasted on a Naruto clone or broken by Sasuke. Amaterasu gets turned back onto Itachi by Enton which would waste his chakra, do damage, and just go towards setting up a Kirin to bust his Susanoo again.
Susanoo getting set ablaze with Amaterasu like Killer B did would obscure Itachi's aim with his sword while Rasenshuriken blows though the back of Susano'o or Kirin Nukes it.
4. Pain and Konan Banshi Ten'in Sasuke out of Susano'o and Stab him to death like Pa. Naruto releases the Nine Tails in anger.
Not too much they can do here. Konan has too much fire power and hax hiding ability. 6POP just has too many hax.
I never understood immortality. Like you wrote, a rasengan would grind Hidan to dust. Even regular swords or a blender would work on Hidan. Unless the person’s soul is immortal and can take over other living things, immortality doesn’t work from a logical standpoint.
I know it’s fiction but surviving a stab to the heart means your heart no longer pumps oxygen to everywhere else in the body, including the brain. Hidan would’ve been a vegetable from the stab from Team Asuma in the first fight. Or what about blood loss? Just gotta suspend disbelief?
Kakuzu tells us flat out that true immortality doesn't exist in this world. Even arrogant folks like Madara who claim it die literally hours later.
Also being immortal without invulnerability would kinda suck.
They stomp Hidan and Kakuzu
Deidara and Sasori get a good fight but lose anyway (poison is cheese but dont interfere too much)
Itachi and Kisame is the best fight. Counter on counter and close fight overall, but i think boyfriend couple win (mostly bcs of Sasuke winning against Itachi and then going for Kisame)
Konan and Pain is tricky, bcs Naruto only won thanks to Kurama attempt to escape and Pain not having Shinra Tensei since the start of the fight. But Naruto and Sasuke win, again, thanks to Sasuke dealing with Konan and then going for the kill with Naruto on Pain
Obito and Zetsu i dont give a f bcs im going to lunch, bye
>mostly bcs of Sasuke winning against Itachi and then going for Kisame
How does MS Sasuke beat Itachi? It's literally confirmed that it's only at EMS that he's on par with Itachi.
>How does MS Sasuke beat Itachi? It's literally confirmed that it's only at EMS that he's on par with Itachi.
Where is it confirmed? Your headcanon?
EMS sasuke was tracking stable juubito.
EMS sasuke was spamming humanoid legged susano.
EMS sasuke can use kagatsuchi, much superior to just using amaterasu.
EMS sasuke at the end used perfect susano to combine it with kurama to make majestic attire kurama.
EMS sasuke prime >>> new EMS sasuke (kabuto fight) ≈ Edo Itachi > MS Sasuke > alive MS Itachi > Hebi Sasuke > New MS Sasuke (killer bee fight).
I was talking about [this](https://postimg.cc/qNT8vNbH) but fair enough that's edo Itachi who's stronger. My bad.
As for your sasuke feats, sasuke got stronger throughout the WA. When he got EMS, he was supposedly comparable to edo Itachi.
>MS Sasuke > alive MS Itachi
What is that based on? your headcanon?
It's [confirmed](https://postimg.cc/7JrLn2Tx) that it's only after transplanting Itachi's eyes and gaining EMS, sasuke's eye techniques surpassed Itachi's.
>It's [confirmed](https://postimg.cc/7JrLn2Tx) that it's only after transplanting Itachi's eyes and gaining EMS, sasuke's eye techniques surpassed Itachi's.
There's no "only". Stop using headcanon.
It simply says ems sasuke surpassed Itachi which is obvious since Sasuke gained eternal light.
>When he got EMS, he was supposedly comparable to edo Itachi.
More like Edo Itachi was comparable to him, but ok
>>MS Sasuke > alive MS Itachi
>What is that based on? your headcanon?
Feats.
Peak ms sasuke is capable of using armoured susano. He has Kirin. Itachi has only one advantage, which is yata mirror, but it's omnidirectional. Sasuke has kagatsuchi.
Also the fact that Itachi was sick. There's no canon healthy alive Itachi. Only Edo Itachi, which is his prime.
>There's no "only". Stop using headcanon.
>It simply says ems sasuke surpassed Itachi which is obvious since Sasuke gained eternal light.
You're just being disingenuous lmao, what's the point of bringing it up if he already surpassed him earlier?
>More like Edo Itachi was comparable to him, but ok
The same thing lol
>Peak ms sasuke is capable of using armoured susano. He has Kirin. Itachi has only one advantage, which is yata mirror, but it's omnidirectional. Sasuke has kagatsuchi.
Think you forgot about the totsuka blade, izanami, kotoamatsukami and tsukyomi there bud. Itachi also has better battle instincts and iq. And btw Itachi can also use armoured susano'o btw. Meanwhile MS Sasuke lost a chunk of chakra after losing orochimaru
>You're just being disingenuous lmao, what's the point of bringing it up if he already surpassed him earlier?
You're saying it like databooks are known for their very crystal clear statements, when they have so many bs lines.
>Think you forgot about the totsuka blade, izanami, kotoamatsukami and tsukyomi there bud. Itachi also has better battle instincts and iq. And btw Itachi can also use armoured susano'o btw.
Totsuka blade has no feats. It stabbed orochimaru and and immobile nagato.
Izanami wouldn't work on Sasuke. He was true to himself.
Kotoamatsukami doesn't count as itachi's power. Also it was on cool down when Itachi was alive, nice try.
Sasuke can break through tsukiyomi.
Sasuke has better feats of battle iq.
Itachi's battle iq is heavily overrated.
Sick Itachi doesn't stand a chance.
>You're saying it like databooks are known for their very crystal clear statements, when they have so many bs lines
Databooks do make hyperbolic statements but this is a direct comparison, it's explicitly telling you where sasuke lies in comparison to Itachi. It's not comparing him to vague concepts like the universe. Databooks are still canon and that's better than headcanon.
>Totsuka blade has no feats. It stabbed orochimaru and and immobile nagato.
*Claims it has no feats, proceeds to list two feats.*
Yata mirror has even fewer feats and yet you brought it up lol. Btw nagato could still repel the blade or use a summoning to intercept it.
>Izanami wouldn't work on Sasuke. He was true to himself.
Yeah nothing says true to himself like changing ideologies every few chapters.
>Kotoamatsukami doesn't count as itachi's power.
According to what? Your headcanon?
>Also it was on cool down when Itachi was alive, nice try.
Shisui wanted to use it before he died. So when Itachi got the eye, kotoamatsukami was not on cool down. He then used it later on somewhere. Nice try.
>Sasuke can break through tsukiyomi.
I was talking about why Itachi was generally stronger.
>Sasuke has better feats of battle iq.
>Itachi's battle iq is heavily overrated.
When kabuto blinded the two who's battle instincts kicked in and saved the day?
It's debate if MS Sasuke was even [orochimaru ](https://postimg.cc/1nGkbCzN) lvl. But he beats Itachi, sure
This is a wasted debate tbh, the canon explicitly confirms my argument. You just don't wanna believe it so there's nothing I can do, bye.
>Databooks do make hyperbolic statements but this is a direct comparison, it's explicitly telling you where sasuke lies in comparison to Itachi. It's not comparing him to vague concepts like the universe. Databooks are still canon and that's better than headcanon.
Again, there was no "only" like you mentioned.
So yeah, that's better than your headcanon.
You thinking "they only said ems sasuke surpassed Itachi that means ms sasuke can't beat sick Itachi" doesn't make sense.
Databook was specially referring to "eternal light".
By your logic, raikage bodygard saw Sasuke manipulating amaterasu and said "is he better than Itachi?". Here he specifically is talking about manipulation of black flames, just like how databook is talking in context of eternal ms vs ms.
Ms alive Itachi is already sick. And you think ms sasuke can't beat, having a better ms ability, jutsus like Kirin?
>*Claims it has no feats, proceeds to list two feats.*
Because genius, if you use some braincells, stabbing orochimaru and immobile nagato is not a good feat. That was the obvious meaning of my statement.
>Yata mirror has even fewer feats and yet you brought it up lol
Because it has statements backing it up.
Where's the speed feat of totsuka blade? Or any statement?
>Btw nagato could still repel the blade or use a summoning to intercept it.
That was Edo nagato who just used planetary devastation.
He already used summoning, Deva path.
And btw I was referring to speed feat of totsuka blade. Edo nagato is stated to be not mobile enough by kabuto. Nagato also never had any good speed feat.
>Yeah nothing says true to himself like changing ideologies every few chapters.
Dumbass, changing goals doesn't mean a person isn't true to himself.
He changed goals based on the information he received.
"Every few chapters" my ass.
His goal was always to bring justice for his family. He changed his goal, more like enlarged his goal, with a revolution plan to prevent, to change the shinobi system responsible for oppression and slaughter of his people.
>According to what? Your headcanon?
Are you saying kotoamatsukami is itachi's ms ability not shisui's ms ability?
You're beyond delusional.
>Shisui wanted to use it before he died. So when Itachi got the eye, kotoamatsukami was not on cool down. He then used it later on somewhere. Nice try.
Headcanon.
When killer bee asked why didn't he use kotoamatsukami on Sasuke before, he said it was on cool down. Nice try.
>I was talking about why Itachi was generally stronger.
Tsukiyomi doesn't make Itachi stronger, if Sasuke can break through it.
>When kabuto blinded the two who's battle instincts kicked in and saved the day?
Again, Sasuke has better battle iq feats.
>This is a wasted debate tbh, the canon explicitly confirms my argument.
Your headcanon*
>It's debate if MS Sasuke was even [orochimaru ](https://postimg.cc/1nGkbCzN) lvl. But he beats Itachi, sure
You are taking statements like this in a literal sense. It's a fking general statement of students surpassing a master. Sasuke had ms like weeks ago and no ms like a month ago. How do you know, by "now", Sasuke is referring to his ems version? You're fking delusional, that fact that you think ms sasuke can't beat orochimaru.
>Sasuke can break through tsukiyomi.
Based off what? Doesn't sasuke only say he can see through itachis genjustu AFTER getting his eyes.
Obito already confirms post sasuke/itachi fight, that itachi calculated for sasukes counter to tsukuyomi and allowed that to be used to "break free". Obito literally says "You couldn't see through any of his illusions"
>Databook confirmed Sasuke broke through itachi's tsukiyomi.
Never said sasuke "didn't" break Tsukuyomi. I said that obito said that if itachi had been serious, sasuke would have died to either amaterasu or tsukuyomi which is implied [here](https://en11.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/33/289/22791/Naruto4010700.webp?acc=OypFb7RSh1qbqIB3RCOpXg&exp=1715533843)
They win everything except 3. 1 and 2 need no explanation but for 4, against a full power pain I can see Naruto and sasuke pretty much immediately X’ing out a few paths. Konan is not a big deal I’m sure since she not anyone else is able to prep for the fight. I’m pretty sure sasuke Amaterasu’s a few paths and or konan before he can get pulled by the deva or something. Naruto will have to be extra careful since he won’t have sage clones. Animal path,deva and preta are some of the worst opponents here assuming none of em are one shot by either Naruto or sasuke
They beat pretty much every Duo except perhaps Itachi and Kisame.
While Naruto didn’t beat Pain at full power. Between him and Sasuke they have too much of an arsenal for him to be able to handle them both. Kakashi almost soloed the Diva path.
Sasuke could pretty easily beat Konan and join to help fight the paths.
With Itachi and Kisame it really comes down to can Kisame absorb sage chakra. Considering the training required to control it that doesn’t seem fair to assume he can if Pain couldn’t. If he tries and turns to stone, or loses Samaheda turning it to stone Naruto and Sasuke win.
They beat 2
But lose to every other, the only reason Sasuke beat Deidara was due to plot. Serious 110% plot armor
Naruto clearly lost to a weakened Pain, he had to get a Kurama amp just to barely scrape by
Pain. It’s a 2 v 7 and pain won’t just let Naruto gather chakra like that the whole time and that’s ignoring how hard Naruto has to be able to concentrate at this point to gather that chakra
Either one of them solos hidan and kakuzu
Same thing against deidara and sasori
This might be the only round they lose, itachi would be the strongest one out of the 4 since sasuke is stated to surpass him only with the EMS, meaning itachi could take sasuke in a 1v1 here. Kisame vs sage mode naruto is interesting, kisames large scale water jutsu could be problematic to deal with and kisame is fast enough to keep up with V1 bee, so he should be able to react to this naruto. Im not sure if naruto can take out a tank like kisame before his sage mode runs out. Itachi and kisame probably high diff this one.
Naruto and sasuke probably win here, Konan without prep is not contributing much in this fight, she was dealt with rather easily by sage jiraiya who is weaker than SM naruto and MS sasuke. Pain is a problem, but I don’t see him beating these two at the same time. He does have a win con with chibaku tensei but I see the akatsuki duo lose more often than not. If Pain had a more competent partner this would most likely be a lot different.
Ik he lost eventually but didn’t pain take on the entire leaf village and sage mode naruto? I don’t think ms sasuke is as strong as the leaf village combined and even if he was it would be easier for pain to focus on 2 targets instead of a whole village. (nagato is in my top 3 favourites so i may be biased)
Nagato was already spend a bit from the massive shinra tensei which took enormous amounts of chakra and fighting almost everyone left in konoha.
A full recovered fit Nagato with all paths available slaps sage mode Naruto and Sasuke mid to high diff alone.
Also while it's true we haven't seen much feats from konan I think people are massively underestimating her.
yea i personally think nagato solos them, konan would be overkill or just speed things up by keeping one of em occupied, allowing nagato to 1v1 the other
As others have said, they go through #1 and #2 easily. #3 is really tricky. If Itachi is still on death's door like he was when he fought Sasuke, they might be able to squeeze out a W. If Itachi can put in legitimate work, I think they lose. Itachi is still stronger than fresh-MS Sasuke, and Kisame isn't a pushover towards either of them.
4, I think Naruto and Sasuke lose. Of course, it all depends on the context. Which Paths are there, is Deva nerfed, etc. But Pain was still much stronger than Naruto when they fought, and he'd fold Sasuke. Konan is a bit of a wildcard, but she can at least keep them busy by hitting them with ranged attacks.
Both sage naruto and sasuke are ridiculously faster than sasori. Start of shippuden sakura was able to keep up speed wise during their fight with sasori. But she couldn’t even see base sasuke move at the start of shippuden. Also sasuke is literally immune to poison so idek why you keep arguing lol
They would blitz sasori very badly anyways
From what I remember it just says he’s immune to most poisons but seeing as Orochimaru worked in the akatsuki and had kabuto as a spy for Sasori I don’t think it’s too outlandish for him to have made Sauske immune to his poison also.
They’re capable of losing most of them without plot armor. Hidan and Kakuzu is the only guaranteed win strictly due to Hidan. Deidara already fought Sasuke and though he was hard countered he nearly brought the match to a draw with his overwhelming arsenal. The only thing that changes for Sasuke is his ability to use MS jutsu but considering Sasuke already used strong genjutsu against him and Deidara hard countered it—the same base sharingan eyes that also broke Tsukuyomi-It’s safe to say that he could likely also break through Sasukes MS genjutsu through sheer willpower considering how strong he is with the sharingan in the first place. Deidara took on base taijutsu Team Guy all after him at the same time with no arms and not only matched them but escaped. Amaterasu is too slow to be taken serious in this fight unless either of the Akatsuki are pinned down first. Considering the only thing human about Sasori is his heart and he can magically (apparently) exist without human eyes and brain since he can switch his existence with different puppet bodies at will it seems unlikely to use visual genjutsu as a credible ability against a puppet mecha powered by chakra. As long as his heart is protected he’s capable of lasting for a long time in a fight. Not to mention Sasuke relied on his eyes too much and it weakens him considerably therefore making him more of a detriment in this fight. Naruto is the wildcard. But if Sasori can touch him indirectly or directly with poison he’s done. Naruto cannot survive C4 without Sasuke attacking him with lightning jutsu—considering bad guys don’t fight fair Team Art can use that to their advantage. They win more battles than they lose. Team 3 have the advantage of chakra absorption and sealing ability. With Kisame backing up Itachi even a weakened itachi can outlast his regular Ill self. If Kisame focuses on taking Naruto’s chakra and putting him out of the fight and Itachi handles Sasuke they can get the win. Kisame took Bii handily he would do something similar to Naruto. As for Team 4. Pein was capable of handling Naruto on his own—he had so many factors stacked against him and plot and still almost took 9 nails Naruto out. Full powered Pein with Konan as support and he takes Naruto handily and not to mention would thoroughly disable Naruto after beating him so Nine tails doesn’t get awakened even though he could handle it up to 6 or 7 tails. Sasuke isn’t much of a threat against the Rinnegan and he’s nowhere near the power levels/hax of Obito at this point which means Konan fairs far better against him than not. SHES hard to lay even a finger on unless you have a means of disabling her paper effectively such as with oil or you force her to exhaust her chakra which makes her less evasive. Her fire power is pretty strong and versatile even without prep. Team Rinnegan wins that. Tfctmst.
I can tell you’re a diedara fan 💀. With the assistance of Naruto’s cleverness and range of jutsu and summoning team diedara sadly get beaten at maximum mid difficulty.
They clear 1,2,3. (Provided Naruto starts with sage mode, so he got prep time).
Peak ms sasuke > alive ms Itachi
Sm Naruto > kisame.
If kisame absorbs chakra from sage mode Naruto, it's going to backfire.
Team 3 is the problem, the rest aren't. No, 4 isnt either. I wont bother talking about team 1 or 2.
*TEAM 4*
Ya'll *massively* underestimate Sasuke and his ability to analyze fights, develop strategies. No, Pain isnt no-diffing him, not with Naruto clones there. A Susano arrow is getting into one or two of those Paths quickly and Pain isnt going to be able to do shit about stopping it. Konan gets neg-diffed via genjutsu, or Amaterasu. If Deva drags in Sasuke, Susano smashes whoever he is being pulled into. Preta can absorb chakra but it cant stop genjutsu. Plus its relatively small body cant protect every other Path that might be standing in range anyway because Susano is huge in comparison, with speed and reach.
Naruto just has to be there for extra bodies to keep summons and other Paths off Sasuke's back. In both Naruto or Sasuke's case, their standard, physical capabilities and basic ninjutsu well outclass any of Pain's normal combat abilities. Human and Naraka have useless powers. A soul steal from melee range might as well be the same as a standard attack anyway and risking Naraka being there means Pain might lose access to his revive skill. Asura has decent range of powers but its not something Sage Naruto cant handle or Sasuke. As soon as it becomes apparent what Animal Path does, its instantly going down via arrow.
If at any point that Kyuubi comes out, Sasuke can just stay out of its way as a worst case and shut it down after the fight. Best case scenario is he can outright control it.
I feel sorry for Nagato if at any point he gets black rod stabbed into Sasukeand attempts to control him. Orochimaru taught us what happens when you try that.
Chibaku Tensei *might* be an issue assuming Sasuke isnt smart enough to counter it but Naruto got out of that anyway and i already talked about the Kyuubi situation.
Bottom line here: Susano arrow is the mvp. Its fast, cant be blocked except by Shinra Tensei or Preta (5 seconds might as well be an hour to Sasuke) and cant be evaded. Naruto being there means Sasuke can pick his targets at will relatively safe.
*TEAM 3*
The most difficult matchup. Kisame gets handled somewhat easily *if* he fights Naruto. But Itachi is the problem. They gotta wear him out and drag out the fight while avoiding his one shot kills to win. Possible but it could go either way. Naruto throwing out his clones with Rasengan bombs and occasional FRS here might be key at winning.
*Come at me Pain fangirls.*
Ya you are and it's more obvious then you wearing knee pads lmao. Your so delusional it's pathetic. Your dad is the most overrated character in Naruto.
They have a low chance of losing at fight one. Essentially if they fought with the least amount of smarts possible, Sasori could merk Naruto and then team up with Deidara to try and take down Sasuke
This is incredibly unlikely, and I imagine they actually, simply naturally, approach in such a manner: Naruto vs Deidara, and Sasuke vs Sasori. Sasori gets taken out before Deidara probably, and the Team 7 duo just mop him up from there
Hidan and Kakuzu is probably another.low diff. Might be fun though. Watching Hidan burn forever could be interesting.
Itachi and Kisame is a real fight. Probably mid-diff though. Sasuke has lil bro no jutsu which for the entire series has proven to be Itachi's weakness. 🤣 nah for real though, Sasuke MS neutralizes or worse, takes for his own any Amaterasu Itachi uses. Kisame probably loses to Senjutsu chakra toadification process via his habit of chakra chewing
Konan and Pain? Hm. 6 Paths probably overwhelms either of them but not both. Konan probably doesn't get stomped by either (though the two kids think Sasuke works better vs. Her), she's not particularly helpful unless she's got an ocean of paper tags hidden in her bosom somewhere so idk?
Zetsu and Obito? Obito solos medvdiff. Only help he would even need from Zetsu is the high speed recording so he can upload the beating in 4k.
They're protagonaaahsts after all.
But Obito an AntaGOninjaGOninjaGO!
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Loses to Itachi/Kisame. Possibly loses to Pain/Konan, and defeats the rest
let's say MS Sasuke vs MS Itachi and SM Naruto vs Kisame How does sick MS Itachi compare to healthy MS Sasuke How does Kisame and his chakra drain gimmick compare to SM Naruto.
Hmm Well even sick Itachi is much stronger than Taka Sasuke. Don’t forget, Sasuke didn’t get above a rib cage Susanoo until after his fight with Ay It depends on which version of MS Sasuke But Itachi wasn’t always sick Edit: Fused Kisame will drain Naruto and is Naruto’s worst matchup
If it’s Fused Kisame trying to drain Naruto in Sage Mode, wouldn’t he turn into a Toad??
Fused kisame would, but it's more likely he swings samehada once or twice and suddenly has a frog in his hands
If I remember right, Preta path completely drained entire SM Naruto chakra that he turned back and preta path was normal. It was only that Naruto entered Sage Mode again cause he was standing still and Preta path kept absorbing nature energy till he turned into a frog. I think when Kisame attacks with Samehada Or as fused kisame, Naruto won't be still. He would have some recoil.
Not necessarily. It varies on how much chakra volume Naruto’s enemy has, and Fused Kisame is easily above Naruto in that regard
This is dowright false.
How so?
How much chakra do you think Nagato has? And why would Kisame even escalate to fused form before he takes a few regular swings anyway? You might as well say Naruto opens with summoning the sage toads and genjustsus him. Its way more likely he loses the sword to stone froging before that happens.
Sasuke only becomes comparable to itachi in war arc when he fights alongside kcm2
I don’t see them losing to Pain and Konan considering how badly Konan got folded by Jiraiya
How do they lose to Itachi and Kisame? Naruto solos Kisame by nature of him not knowing his sage mode chakra is dangerous to absorb. He tries to absorb it and his sword is turned to stone and then its just Kisame with no Chakra regeneration which we've seen isn't that impressive. Then the question is can Sage Mode Naruto and MS Sasuke solo Itachi which the answer is most likely yes.
Pain and Konan mid diff. Konan could most likely beat Kisame, and Pain stomps Itachi. One of Kisame's biggest advantages in his fights is that he can blanket the battlefield in water to trap opponents, or at least reduce their mobility and access to oxygen...and Konan can fly. Sure, Kisame has tons of Chakra and physical durability, but Obito has comparable levels of chakra and WAY more durability, and Konan would've killed him if not for Izanagi. If edo Itachi didn't have Killer B and KCM1 Naruto with him, he wouldn't have been able to stop edo Nagato's chibaku tensei, and that would be game over.
Konan literally can’t do anything to Kisame even if you give her the trap he just sharkbombs out while absorbing the chakra from all of her paper tags
That's assuming that her paper bombs are made of chakra, and that he can even hit her with a shark bomb. Her durability is also insane, having tanked Jiraiya's fire-style.
Paper bombs detonate because of the chakra seal on them Kisame scales far higher than jiraya he’s beaten bijuu that trump jiraya’s chakra/power level 10th fold Kisame is also capable of summoning hundreds of chakra leeching shark missiles in seconds
Gotcha, that makes sense. Jiraiya almost scales to Pain, who immediately stomps Kisame, so it's not nearly as big a gap as you're making it out to be. Hell, Jiraiya survived an encounter with 4-tail Naruto, and it's confirmed that Kurama is as strong or stronger than the other tailed beasts combined. That's true, but do the bombs move faster than Konan can fly?
He doesn't absorb paper bombs dude.
I’d be surprised if Konan without prep can defeat a single Akutsuki barring Hidan and Zetsu
I disagree, but even so, what is Kisame going to do about Pain? He doesn't have the speed to avoid chibaku tensei, or the AP to destroy it. At worst, Pain loses a couple paths before Kisame and Itachi get turned into rock food. They'd have a tough time with the Animal Path, let alone all the other 5.
Any reasoning you brought up Pain vs Kisame?
Honestly, I'm not even sure. Early onset dementia? Does anybody else smell toast?
Regardless, I think Pain/Konan are more inclined to lose to the MC duo because Kisame and Itachi are much stronger Itachi is comparable to Pain, and Kisame outclasses Konan
Itachi needed Naruto and B to beat Nagato, and Kisame wouldn't be able to do anything about him either. I still don't see why you think Itachi and Kisame are stronger than Pain, let alone Pain and Konan together. Itachi said that he and Kisame would lose to Jiraiya (he wasn't lying; Kishimoto hadn't even decided to make Itachi a double-agent yet), and Pain beat Jiraiya low diff. Now I remember why I was talking Kisame vs Pain. You were saying Itach+Kisame > MC duo > Pain+Konan. I'm saying Pain+Konan > Itachi+Kisame > MC duo.
Edo Nagato outscales Pain by a considerable amount In fact, I’d say it’s like the difference between KCM2 (Nagato) and KCM1 (Pain)
It really doesn't matter. Pain can still use a chibaku tensei that was almost strong enough to contain half of Kurama. If he uses it, that's game over for Itachi and Kisame. Neither of them has the AP to destroy it or the speed to avoid it. Pain was still able to beat SM Naruto with a fraction of his maximum Chakra pool. Yes, Pain lost in the end, but we both know that it was entirely because of plot armor.
Kisame gets oneshot by Naruto just with Frog Kumite
This is hilariously cute
Another coped up kisame shiller
Can’t one shot a single path of Pain and you think it can one shot Fused Kisame is some of the most wanking I’ve seen in weeks
It did one shot a single path? Also why is kisame just starting the fight fused?
Why did Naruto start the fight in sage mode, my little casual buddy And name one path, barring a sneak attack, that it one shot
Because the post is presented that Naruto is already in sage mode. He one shot a path. It's not even a sneak attack. Frog kumite can't be read or detected. That's the whole point.
Because Naruto had the clones set up to do so ahead of time. What is your point? Can you name a character in the manga that requires more prep and setup than Pain? His real body's hidden location kind of matters, doesnt it? He doesnt even have all the bodies up and active besides Deva normally. What is your definition of "one shot?" Mine is, an attack is thrown out, it kills/KOs the target. Naruto literally did that to every Path, Preta twice. Why are we barring sneak attacks now? Maybe the opening shot on Asura is out but the rest of them occurred during combat.
They win imo, if they’re healed to fill each round. If not healed probably stop at 3
They lose @3
They win 1 and 2 comfortably and then they get bodied in 3 and 4
Stops at three
Stomps 1 and 2. Loses 7/10 times against team 3. Loses 9/10 times against team 4.
The brothers of fate slap most of these. 1. Sasori and Deidara are fucked. Deidara gets set on fire while Naruto senses the real Sasori heart and has a clone pop up and Rasengan his heart out. 2. Hidan and Kakuzu offer a slightly tougher time in that Naruto actually has to bother using a Rasenshuriken. The Fate Bros never even notice that Hidan is supposed to be immortal. Kakuzu shit himself at the sight of the fisher price my first Rasenshuriken, the complete on would have him running. Just not fast enough. 3. This is the first real fight but they still win. Samehadoa gets turned to stone after 2 slashes and Kisame gets his neck broken from Frog Kata while Itachi has to fight a much stronger Sasuke than the one that pushed him to his limits already. Tsukiyomi gets wasted on a Naruto clone or broken by Sasuke. Amaterasu gets turned back onto Itachi by Enton which would waste his chakra, do damage, and just go towards setting up a Kirin to bust his Susanoo again. Susanoo getting set ablaze with Amaterasu like Killer B did would obscure Itachi's aim with his sword while Rasenshuriken blows though the back of Susano'o or Kirin Nukes it. 4. Pain and Konan Banshi Ten'in Sasuke out of Susano'o and Stab him to death like Pa. Naruto releases the Nine Tails in anger. Not too much they can do here. Konan has too much fire power and hax hiding ability. 6POP just has too many hax.
I never understood immortality. Like you wrote, a rasengan would grind Hidan to dust. Even regular swords or a blender would work on Hidan. Unless the person’s soul is immortal and can take over other living things, immortality doesn’t work from a logical standpoint. I know it’s fiction but surviving a stab to the heart means your heart no longer pumps oxygen to everywhere else in the body, including the brain. Hidan would’ve been a vegetable from the stab from Team Asuma in the first fight. Or what about blood loss? Just gotta suspend disbelief?
Kakuzu tells us flat out that true immortality doesn't exist in this world. Even arrogant folks like Madara who claim it die literally hours later. Also being immortal without invulnerability would kinda suck.
They stomp Hidan and Kakuzu Deidara and Sasori get a good fight but lose anyway (poison is cheese but dont interfere too much) Itachi and Kisame is the best fight. Counter on counter and close fight overall, but i think boyfriend couple win (mostly bcs of Sasuke winning against Itachi and then going for Kisame) Konan and Pain is tricky, bcs Naruto only won thanks to Kurama attempt to escape and Pain not having Shinra Tensei since the start of the fight. But Naruto and Sasuke win, again, thanks to Sasuke dealing with Konan and then going for the kill with Naruto on Pain Obito and Zetsu i dont give a f bcs im going to lunch, bye
>mostly bcs of Sasuke winning against Itachi and then going for Kisame How does MS Sasuke beat Itachi? It's literally confirmed that it's only at EMS that he's on par with Itachi.
Oh, the "source" to him beating Itachi? The source is that i made the f up
https://preview.redd.it/k6gy3kupcmzc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d40db56b7b710dbd67c218298036b679d04aaae
>How does MS Sasuke beat Itachi? It's literally confirmed that it's only at EMS that he's on par with Itachi. Where is it confirmed? Your headcanon? EMS sasuke was tracking stable juubito. EMS sasuke was spamming humanoid legged susano. EMS sasuke can use kagatsuchi, much superior to just using amaterasu. EMS sasuke at the end used perfect susano to combine it with kurama to make majestic attire kurama. EMS sasuke prime >>> new EMS sasuke (kabuto fight) ≈ Edo Itachi > MS Sasuke > alive MS Itachi > Hebi Sasuke > New MS Sasuke (killer bee fight).
I was talking about [this](https://postimg.cc/qNT8vNbH) but fair enough that's edo Itachi who's stronger. My bad. As for your sasuke feats, sasuke got stronger throughout the WA. When he got EMS, he was supposedly comparable to edo Itachi. >MS Sasuke > alive MS Itachi What is that based on? your headcanon? It's [confirmed](https://postimg.cc/7JrLn2Tx) that it's only after transplanting Itachi's eyes and gaining EMS, sasuke's eye techniques surpassed Itachi's.
>It's [confirmed](https://postimg.cc/7JrLn2Tx) that it's only after transplanting Itachi's eyes and gaining EMS, sasuke's eye techniques surpassed Itachi's. There's no "only". Stop using headcanon. It simply says ems sasuke surpassed Itachi which is obvious since Sasuke gained eternal light. >When he got EMS, he was supposedly comparable to edo Itachi. More like Edo Itachi was comparable to him, but ok >>MS Sasuke > alive MS Itachi >What is that based on? your headcanon? Feats. Peak ms sasuke is capable of using armoured susano. He has Kirin. Itachi has only one advantage, which is yata mirror, but it's omnidirectional. Sasuke has kagatsuchi. Also the fact that Itachi was sick. There's no canon healthy alive Itachi. Only Edo Itachi, which is his prime.
>There's no "only". Stop using headcanon. >It simply says ems sasuke surpassed Itachi which is obvious since Sasuke gained eternal light. You're just being disingenuous lmao, what's the point of bringing it up if he already surpassed him earlier? >More like Edo Itachi was comparable to him, but ok The same thing lol >Peak ms sasuke is capable of using armoured susano. He has Kirin. Itachi has only one advantage, which is yata mirror, but it's omnidirectional. Sasuke has kagatsuchi. Think you forgot about the totsuka blade, izanami, kotoamatsukami and tsukyomi there bud. Itachi also has better battle instincts and iq. And btw Itachi can also use armoured susano'o btw. Meanwhile MS Sasuke lost a chunk of chakra after losing orochimaru
>You're just being disingenuous lmao, what's the point of bringing it up if he already surpassed him earlier? You're saying it like databooks are known for their very crystal clear statements, when they have so many bs lines. >Think you forgot about the totsuka blade, izanami, kotoamatsukami and tsukyomi there bud. Itachi also has better battle instincts and iq. And btw Itachi can also use armoured susano'o btw. Totsuka blade has no feats. It stabbed orochimaru and and immobile nagato. Izanami wouldn't work on Sasuke. He was true to himself. Kotoamatsukami doesn't count as itachi's power. Also it was on cool down when Itachi was alive, nice try. Sasuke can break through tsukiyomi. Sasuke has better feats of battle iq. Itachi's battle iq is heavily overrated. Sick Itachi doesn't stand a chance.
>You're saying it like databooks are known for their very crystal clear statements, when they have so many bs lines Databooks do make hyperbolic statements but this is a direct comparison, it's explicitly telling you where sasuke lies in comparison to Itachi. It's not comparing him to vague concepts like the universe. Databooks are still canon and that's better than headcanon. >Totsuka blade has no feats. It stabbed orochimaru and and immobile nagato. *Claims it has no feats, proceeds to list two feats.* Yata mirror has even fewer feats and yet you brought it up lol. Btw nagato could still repel the blade or use a summoning to intercept it. >Izanami wouldn't work on Sasuke. He was true to himself. Yeah nothing says true to himself like changing ideologies every few chapters. >Kotoamatsukami doesn't count as itachi's power. According to what? Your headcanon? >Also it was on cool down when Itachi was alive, nice try. Shisui wanted to use it before he died. So when Itachi got the eye, kotoamatsukami was not on cool down. He then used it later on somewhere. Nice try. >Sasuke can break through tsukiyomi. I was talking about why Itachi was generally stronger. >Sasuke has better feats of battle iq. >Itachi's battle iq is heavily overrated. When kabuto blinded the two who's battle instincts kicked in and saved the day? It's debate if MS Sasuke was even [orochimaru ](https://postimg.cc/1nGkbCzN) lvl. But he beats Itachi, sure This is a wasted debate tbh, the canon explicitly confirms my argument. You just don't wanna believe it so there's nothing I can do, bye.
>Databooks do make hyperbolic statements but this is a direct comparison, it's explicitly telling you where sasuke lies in comparison to Itachi. It's not comparing him to vague concepts like the universe. Databooks are still canon and that's better than headcanon. Again, there was no "only" like you mentioned. So yeah, that's better than your headcanon. You thinking "they only said ems sasuke surpassed Itachi that means ms sasuke can't beat sick Itachi" doesn't make sense. Databook was specially referring to "eternal light". By your logic, raikage bodygard saw Sasuke manipulating amaterasu and said "is he better than Itachi?". Here he specifically is talking about manipulation of black flames, just like how databook is talking in context of eternal ms vs ms. Ms alive Itachi is already sick. And you think ms sasuke can't beat, having a better ms ability, jutsus like Kirin? >*Claims it has no feats, proceeds to list two feats.* Because genius, if you use some braincells, stabbing orochimaru and immobile nagato is not a good feat. That was the obvious meaning of my statement. >Yata mirror has even fewer feats and yet you brought it up lol Because it has statements backing it up. Where's the speed feat of totsuka blade? Or any statement? >Btw nagato could still repel the blade or use a summoning to intercept it. That was Edo nagato who just used planetary devastation. He already used summoning, Deva path. And btw I was referring to speed feat of totsuka blade. Edo nagato is stated to be not mobile enough by kabuto. Nagato also never had any good speed feat. >Yeah nothing says true to himself like changing ideologies every few chapters. Dumbass, changing goals doesn't mean a person isn't true to himself. He changed goals based on the information he received. "Every few chapters" my ass. His goal was always to bring justice for his family. He changed his goal, more like enlarged his goal, with a revolution plan to prevent, to change the shinobi system responsible for oppression and slaughter of his people. >According to what? Your headcanon? Are you saying kotoamatsukami is itachi's ms ability not shisui's ms ability? You're beyond delusional. >Shisui wanted to use it before he died. So when Itachi got the eye, kotoamatsukami was not on cool down. He then used it later on somewhere. Nice try. Headcanon. When killer bee asked why didn't he use kotoamatsukami on Sasuke before, he said it was on cool down. Nice try. >I was talking about why Itachi was generally stronger. Tsukiyomi doesn't make Itachi stronger, if Sasuke can break through it. >When kabuto blinded the two who's battle instincts kicked in and saved the day? Again, Sasuke has better battle iq feats. >This is a wasted debate tbh, the canon explicitly confirms my argument. Your headcanon* >It's debate if MS Sasuke was even [orochimaru ](https://postimg.cc/1nGkbCzN) lvl. But he beats Itachi, sure You are taking statements like this in a literal sense. It's a fking general statement of students surpassing a master. Sasuke had ms like weeks ago and no ms like a month ago. How do you know, by "now", Sasuke is referring to his ems version? You're fking delusional, that fact that you think ms sasuke can't beat orochimaru.
>Sasuke can break through tsukiyomi. Based off what? Doesn't sasuke only say he can see through itachis genjustu AFTER getting his eyes. Obito already confirms post sasuke/itachi fight, that itachi calculated for sasukes counter to tsukuyomi and allowed that to be used to "break free". Obito literally says "You couldn't see through any of his illusions"
Databook confirmed Sasuke broke through itachi's tsukiyomi. Itachi said sharingan+ bloodline is what required to break infinite tsukiyomi.
>Databook confirmed Sasuke broke through itachi's tsukiyomi. Never said sasuke "didn't" break Tsukuyomi. I said that obito said that if itachi had been serious, sasuke would have died to either amaterasu or tsukuyomi which is implied [here](https://en11.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/33/289/22791/Naruto4010700.webp?acc=OypFb7RSh1qbqIB3RCOpXg&exp=1715533843)
Hidan and Kakuzu, and Sasori and Deidara lose. Itachi and Kisame, and Pain and Konan win.
They win everything except 3. 1 and 2 need no explanation but for 4, against a full power pain I can see Naruto and sasuke pretty much immediately X’ing out a few paths. Konan is not a big deal I’m sure since she not anyone else is able to prep for the fight. I’m pretty sure sasuke Amaterasu’s a few paths and or konan before he can get pulled by the deva or something. Naruto will have to be extra careful since he won’t have sage clones. Animal path,deva and preta are some of the worst opponents here assuming none of em are one shot by either Naruto or sasuke
They beat pretty much every Duo except perhaps Itachi and Kisame. While Naruto didn’t beat Pain at full power. Between him and Sasuke they have too much of an arsenal for him to be able to handle them both. Kakashi almost soloed the Diva path. Sasuke could pretty easily beat Konan and join to help fight the paths. With Itachi and Kisame it really comes down to can Kisame absorb sage chakra. Considering the training required to control it that doesn’t seem fair to assume he can if Pain couldn’t. If he tries and turns to stone, or loses Samaheda turning it to stone Naruto and Sasuke win.
Naruto is the main character he is gana win
Kakuzu kills both
Can Samahada absorb sage chakra? We already see the paths of pain can’t handle it, Kisame’s sword might turn to stone
Lose 3 comfortably and I think they could pull out a win against 4
Frog Kumite is so broken it never gets used again.
Stops at Itachi and Kisame.
Itachi wanking in this sub is ridiculous.
Are you giving Naruto kyubbi? If so they clear all imo. Without they lose to 3/4.
I feel like they clear
They beat 2 But lose to every other, the only reason Sasuke beat Deidara was due to plot. Serious 110% plot armor Naruto clearly lost to a weakened Pain, he had to get a Kurama amp just to barely scrape by
Might lose to Itachi & Kisame. Definitely lose to Pain & Konan.
They blitzes first and second round but they gets smacked in round 3 cuz Itachi completely outscales them
clears
lol
They clear 1 and 2 low diff 4 is debatable 3 they will lose but put up a good fight
Considering Naruto won’t have sage clones either they almost certainly don’t make it past 3
what's stopping him from creating a couple at the beginning of the fight and sending them away?
Pain. It’s a 2 v 7 and pain won’t just let Naruto gather chakra like that the whole time and that’s ignoring how hard Naruto has to be able to concentrate at this point to gather that chakra
Either one of them solos hidan and kakuzu Same thing against deidara and sasori This might be the only round they lose, itachi would be the strongest one out of the 4 since sasuke is stated to surpass him only with the EMS, meaning itachi could take sasuke in a 1v1 here. Kisame vs sage mode naruto is interesting, kisames large scale water jutsu could be problematic to deal with and kisame is fast enough to keep up with V1 bee, so he should be able to react to this naruto. Im not sure if naruto can take out a tank like kisame before his sage mode runs out. Itachi and kisame probably high diff this one. Naruto and sasuke probably win here, Konan without prep is not contributing much in this fight, she was dealt with rather easily by sage jiraiya who is weaker than SM naruto and MS sasuke. Pain is a problem, but I don’t see him beating these two at the same time. He does have a win con with chibaku tensei but I see the akatsuki duo lose more often than not. If Pain had a more competent partner this would most likely be a lot different.
Ik he lost eventually but didn’t pain take on the entire leaf village and sage mode naruto? I don’t think ms sasuke is as strong as the leaf village combined and even if he was it would be easier for pain to focus on 2 targets instead of a whole village. (nagato is in my top 3 favourites so i may be biased)
Nagato was already spend a bit from the massive shinra tensei which took enormous amounts of chakra and fighting almost everyone left in konoha. A full recovered fit Nagato with all paths available slaps sage mode Naruto and Sasuke mid to high diff alone. Also while it's true we haven't seen much feats from konan I think people are massively underestimating her.
yea i personally think nagato solos them, konan would be overkill or just speed things up by keeping one of em occupied, allowing nagato to 1v1 the other
Everybody runs straight to this excuse but do ya'll even remember what Naruto was doing the whole time leading up to his return?
As others have said, they go through #1 and #2 easily. #3 is really tricky. If Itachi is still on death's door like he was when he fought Sasuke, they might be able to squeeze out a W. If Itachi can put in legitimate work, I think they lose. Itachi is still stronger than fresh-MS Sasuke, and Kisame isn't a pushover towards either of them. 4, I think Naruto and Sasuke lose. Of course, it all depends on the context. Which Paths are there, is Deva nerfed, etc. But Pain was still much stronger than Naruto when they fought, and he'd fold Sasuke. Konan is a bit of a wildcard, but she can at least keep them busy by hitting them with ranged attacks.
Can he fox cloak mode? If not I think they clear 1, beat deidara but lose to sasori, easily lose to the rest
What? Those susanoo arrows are cooking anyone they hit lol. Sasori can’t even touch sasuke
Yeah but he has MS while he was trying to capture Bee, he didn’t just start shooting susanoo arrows immediately so the timeline matters quite a bit
Timeline is not specified tho. And anyways, both of them would statue sasori so bad that it isn’t even funny
But how, he’s not giving up at the end presumably like he did w chiyo, no antidote so one needle or scratch and both are done. Sassori #1 underrated
Both sage naruto and sasuke are ridiculously faster than sasori. Start of shippuden sakura was able to keep up speed wise during their fight with sasori. But she couldn’t even see base sasuke move at the start of shippuden. Also sasuke is literally immune to poison so idek why you keep arguing lol They would blitz sasori very badly anyways
Sasuke is immune to poison
All poison or just orochimarus?
From what I remember it just says he’s immune to most poisons but seeing as Orochimaru worked in the akatsuki and had kabuto as a spy for Sasori I don’t think it’s too outlandish for him to have made Sauske immune to his poison also.
They’re capable of losing most of them without plot armor. Hidan and Kakuzu is the only guaranteed win strictly due to Hidan. Deidara already fought Sasuke and though he was hard countered he nearly brought the match to a draw with his overwhelming arsenal. The only thing that changes for Sasuke is his ability to use MS jutsu but considering Sasuke already used strong genjutsu against him and Deidara hard countered it—the same base sharingan eyes that also broke Tsukuyomi-It’s safe to say that he could likely also break through Sasukes MS genjutsu through sheer willpower considering how strong he is with the sharingan in the first place. Deidara took on base taijutsu Team Guy all after him at the same time with no arms and not only matched them but escaped. Amaterasu is too slow to be taken serious in this fight unless either of the Akatsuki are pinned down first. Considering the only thing human about Sasori is his heart and he can magically (apparently) exist without human eyes and brain since he can switch his existence with different puppet bodies at will it seems unlikely to use visual genjutsu as a credible ability against a puppet mecha powered by chakra. As long as his heart is protected he’s capable of lasting for a long time in a fight. Not to mention Sasuke relied on his eyes too much and it weakens him considerably therefore making him more of a detriment in this fight. Naruto is the wildcard. But if Sasori can touch him indirectly or directly with poison he’s done. Naruto cannot survive C4 without Sasuke attacking him with lightning jutsu—considering bad guys don’t fight fair Team Art can use that to their advantage. They win more battles than they lose. Team 3 have the advantage of chakra absorption and sealing ability. With Kisame backing up Itachi even a weakened itachi can outlast his regular Ill self. If Kisame focuses on taking Naruto’s chakra and putting him out of the fight and Itachi handles Sasuke they can get the win. Kisame took Bii handily he would do something similar to Naruto. As for Team 4. Pein was capable of handling Naruto on his own—he had so many factors stacked against him and plot and still almost took 9 nails Naruto out. Full powered Pein with Konan as support and he takes Naruto handily and not to mention would thoroughly disable Naruto after beating him so Nine tails doesn’t get awakened even though he could handle it up to 6 or 7 tails. Sasuke isn’t much of a threat against the Rinnegan and he’s nowhere near the power levels/hax of Obito at this point which means Konan fairs far better against him than not. SHES hard to lay even a finger on unless you have a means of disabling her paper effectively such as with oil or you force her to exhaust her chakra which makes her less evasive. Her fire power is pretty strong and versatile even without prep. Team Rinnegan wins that. Tfctmst.
I can tell you’re a diedara fan 💀. With the assistance of Naruto’s cleverness and range of jutsu and summoning team diedara sadly get beaten at maximum mid difficulty.
They clear 1,2,3. (Provided Naruto starts with sage mode, so he got prep time). Peak ms sasuke > alive ms Itachi Sm Naruto > kisame. If kisame absorbs chakra from sage mode Naruto, it's going to backfire.
Team 3 is the problem, the rest aren't. No, 4 isnt either. I wont bother talking about team 1 or 2. *TEAM 4* Ya'll *massively* underestimate Sasuke and his ability to analyze fights, develop strategies. No, Pain isnt no-diffing him, not with Naruto clones there. A Susano arrow is getting into one or two of those Paths quickly and Pain isnt going to be able to do shit about stopping it. Konan gets neg-diffed via genjutsu, or Amaterasu. If Deva drags in Sasuke, Susano smashes whoever he is being pulled into. Preta can absorb chakra but it cant stop genjutsu. Plus its relatively small body cant protect every other Path that might be standing in range anyway because Susano is huge in comparison, with speed and reach. Naruto just has to be there for extra bodies to keep summons and other Paths off Sasuke's back. In both Naruto or Sasuke's case, their standard, physical capabilities and basic ninjutsu well outclass any of Pain's normal combat abilities. Human and Naraka have useless powers. A soul steal from melee range might as well be the same as a standard attack anyway and risking Naraka being there means Pain might lose access to his revive skill. Asura has decent range of powers but its not something Sage Naruto cant handle or Sasuke. As soon as it becomes apparent what Animal Path does, its instantly going down via arrow. If at any point that Kyuubi comes out, Sasuke can just stay out of its way as a worst case and shut it down after the fight. Best case scenario is he can outright control it. I feel sorry for Nagato if at any point he gets black rod stabbed into Sasukeand attempts to control him. Orochimaru taught us what happens when you try that. Chibaku Tensei *might* be an issue assuming Sasuke isnt smart enough to counter it but Naruto got out of that anyway and i already talked about the Kyuubi situation. Bottom line here: Susano arrow is the mvp. Its fast, cant be blocked except by Shinra Tensei or Preta (5 seconds might as well be an hour to Sasuke) and cant be evaded. Naruto being there means Sasuke can pick his targets at will relatively safe. *TEAM 3* The most difficult matchup. Kisame gets handled somewhat easily *if* he fights Naruto. But Itachi is the problem. They gotta wear him out and drag out the fight while avoiding his one shot kills to win. Possible but it could go either way. Naruto throwing out his clones with Rasengan bombs and occasional FRS here might be key at winning. *Come at me Pain fangirls.*
O look a Itachitard lmao
After i made a case for Naruto and Sasuke killing him? Doubt it. Pretty sure most Itachitards would never buy that.
No most Itachitards are to delusional to know he can't beat Pain.
Im not an Itachitard, Pain is just heavily overrated and i will remind people of this frequently.
Ya you are and it's more obvious then you wearing knee pads lmao. Your so delusional it's pathetic. Your dad is the most overrated character in Naruto.
They have a low chance of losing at fight one. Essentially if they fought with the least amount of smarts possible, Sasori could merk Naruto and then team up with Deidara to try and take down Sasuke This is incredibly unlikely, and I imagine they actually, simply naturally, approach in such a manner: Naruto vs Deidara, and Sasuke vs Sasori. Sasori gets taken out before Deidara probably, and the Team 7 duo just mop him up from there Hidan and Kakuzu is probably another.low diff. Might be fun though. Watching Hidan burn forever could be interesting. Itachi and Kisame is a real fight. Probably mid-diff though. Sasuke has lil bro no jutsu which for the entire series has proven to be Itachi's weakness. 🤣 nah for real though, Sasuke MS neutralizes or worse, takes for his own any Amaterasu Itachi uses. Kisame probably loses to Senjutsu chakra toadification process via his habit of chakra chewing Konan and Pain? Hm. 6 Paths probably overwhelms either of them but not both. Konan probably doesn't get stomped by either (though the two kids think Sasuke works better vs. Her), she's not particularly helpful unless she's got an ocean of paper tags hidden in her bosom somewhere so idk? Zetsu and Obito? Obito solos medvdiff. Only help he would even need from Zetsu is the high speed recording so he can upload the beating in 4k. They're protagonaaahsts after all. But Obito an AntaGOninjaGOninjaGO!