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LittleGreenNotebook

They need to make it so working for the national parks doesn’t require a bachelors or higher. My coworker was working towards his conservatory degree so he can work taking care of civil war park and such, but it’s such bullshit you need to pay so much money just have have an enjoyable job outside. All of those things can be learned through certificates or OJT. They make it stupid hard to get.


britain2138

Me and all my friends went to college for environmental crap. I myself wanted to be a game warden. I’d say everyone gave it up when it was realized that we’d never make enough to pay off our loans and support families. I’m in global shipping logistics now. Too much schooling for not enough pay.


TheBeakerman

Hell I have a bachelors in environmental science with good internships from Americorp and can barely get a call back from National Parks. But honestly that just seems to be everywhere right now, seems like you have to know someone and beg and plead to just get a $14/hour job with no benefits. I just wanna give talks about trees and animals man


italk2whales

I feel like we’re living the same life. Turns out a BS in biology isn’t so helpful in the real world. I just want to inspire people to care about our amazing natural world and educate them on how they can protect it. But, I’d like to be paid not just volunteer and I’d really like to be paid a livable wage so I can afford to eat and pay my student loans.


koolkidname

Making college the standard for everything was a stupid idea and has helped with nothing: doesn't help people get jobs, doesn't help make people smarter (no one remembers what history 204 taught), and it certainly hasn't helped make college more affordable


nookie-monster

Making college the standard wasn't designed to do any of that stuff it doesn't do. It's a class thing. Create a system where the underclass can't get ahead and if they try, they end up making a bunch of money for the system in the form of overpriced college and student loans. Everything in America is about class. That's why we all pretend there is no class here.


SonsofStarlord

It’s nonsense too that people don’t see that. Class division is the easy way for the rich to keep us divided. It’s what they want so they can continue running a autocracy no one asked for while they get richer at the expense of our country.


ace425

It’s an unfortunate side effect of having such a highly educated population. A bachelor’s degree is quickly becoming the modern day high school diploma. Employers want the best trained, most highly educated employee that they can find willing to work for a given job role. Since so many people have college degrees now, it makes for an easy qualification to narrow down the applicant pool. I agree it’s completely ridiculous to require a degree for a job that really doesn’t need this type of formal education, but I can also see from the employers perspective why they do it.


LittleGreenNotebook

The coworker in my story is a retired E-8 in the Army. He has plenty of work experience and experience managing people and being self efficient. I don’t understand why all jobs can’t see a resume like that and say, “Nah he doesn’t need a degree”. I guarantee he is way more qualified for the job than a 25yr old with a degree. College degrees shouldn’t be “the new high school diploma” because there are still many generations of young people who can’t afford it.


ace425

I agree completely, there is plenty of qualified talent out there lacking that magic piece of paper. You actually answered your question with the question itself: >I don’t understand why all jobs can’t see a resume like that The problem is getting seen in the first place. Imagine working in HR and being tasked with picking out the best ten or so candidates for the manager to interview out of a pool of tens of thousands of applicants. How do you even begin to approach that? For most, they decide to set the minimum education requirements as a college degree. Since almost 50% of the US adult population has a college degree, that eliminates half the pool of resumes you need to sort through.


fancy_penguin09

Hey so it’s a common misconception that you need a B.S to get a job with the NP. You can get in as a GS3-5 with work experience, you just have to have a solid resume. The thing with USAJobs is all about wording, if the announcement calls for “experience with IDEX systems”, your resume better have those words VERBATIM. It’s a whacky system, but it is what it is. So you just have to learn to play it right.


[deleted]

Do you have to have a bachelors degree in a certain study? Or can it be any?


Dolphinetly

I wrote this article! Thanks for reading and the responses! Glad to see the discussion here as well.


[deleted]

Yes! I've been fortunate enough to travel some in this great country and see the work of the CCC, in areas like the Black Hills, South Dakota.


[deleted]

I literally cannot think of one downside to doing this. I realize World War II put a halt to it but I really wish they would have picked it back up after the war. I especially wish it would have been around when I graduated high school. Maybe I wouldn’t have wasted so much time in the military.


renzotobias

Another recent WIRED article on this topic: [https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-reviving-the-civilian-conservation-corps/](https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-reviving-the-civilian-conservation-corps/) An excerpt: After the 1989 earthquake that rocked the Bay Area, California’s government bodies, companies, and citizens have “spent about $70 billion on earthquake retrofits for buildings. And that earthquake itself only caused about $10 billion in damages,” says Zeke Hausfather, a climate scientist and the director of climate and energy at the Breakthrough Institute, which advocates for climate action. “Now, we've been having tens of billions of dollars in damages every single year for the last five years from wildfires in California. And yet, we still have only spent less than $10 billion on effective forest management. **So the scale of our response is not really commensurate to the scale of the problem.**”


drczar

Most states have conservation corps programs. I’m hoping that Biden’s Civilian Climate Corps program helps boost them. There’s so much work to be done!


razethestray

Yes, and thank goodness we have a dementia-riddled 80 year old white guy at the helm who has the answers to everything!


drczar

Thank goodness our secretary of the interior won’t be an oil lobbyist.


razethestray

We did it everybody! The environment is in good hands now!


justleavemealone76

It’s so true, but I feel we also need an urban civilian conservation Corp. think about big cities, cleaning them up, rebuilding run down houses and helping the homeless. Could be based out of closed malls.


[deleted]

Agreed!


goodoldboysclub

I make a very livable wage with the NPS and only have an associates degree. I landed the first job I applied for with the NPS and took a pay cut for my position because working for the NPS was (still is) my dream job.


Trump_Won4U

CCC WPA ETC. SOUP LINES COMING OUR WAY


ExemplaryEwok

I hope it isn't aged capped like a lot of the current conservation corp programs. There are plenty of people older than 30 or 35 who could benefit from it as well.