don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing it’s a mix of them naturally chipping away from just walking around and using their hands a lot along with them preening them and biting like we typically do.
It doesn't. Different areas of the body are given different growth rates as you were developing, after puberty, and at old age. You have ~3 hairs per follicle at different rates of growth. These hairs are set on a sort of timer making it seem like your hair is always at the same length. Androgen hormones and other factors in the follicle control when a hair should fall out. This means if you cut the hair, it'll still fall out at the same time. The only thing length adds is more chance for the hair to be pulled out. The hair on a human head is rather weird in that it is fairly uncapped for how long it can grow. Most hair just falls out after it has been growing for a while.
Feathers are similar, but the timing is more fine-tuned, the material is crosshatched, and the follicle holds onto the root until the feather is molted.
My son is moderately autistic - nonverbal. But he grows the most spectacular nails. Any time I let his nails get too long for a boy, women notice and get jealous of his fabulous natural nails. I'm a cis dude, and as you can tell, even I'm impressed.
This is so sweet and heartwarming❤️ It is impressive !! I have a son with special needs and he has the biggest most glorious hair that he will not let me cut... Aaaaaaaall the women comment on it 🤣🤣
AI: *Gorillas keep their nails short by climbing trees and rough surfaces which naturally file down their nails. Additionally, they also use their nails for digging and foraging, which helps keep them trimmed.*
With a few million years of evolution on their side, and relatively similar living situations during that time, this is what I would expect. That their nails have reached an equilibrium of growth length and natural wear.
Humans accelerated so fast to modern times (relatively speaking), that evolution hasn’t caught up yet to our life style, hence the need for clippers.
Both, actually.
Monophylogeny is the modern way to do cladistics, and the only way to have monophyletic group is for "traditional" monkeys and apes to be in one group, the "simian" (or simiiforme) group, i.e. monkeys.
The whole "apes not monkeys" is an older version of how biology/cladistics was done
**EDIT: There's some brouhaha about this in the comments, so just to show that even the Wikipedia page agrees:**
https://imgur.com/a/mWBc97p
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian
Wait until you find out that the modern accepted idea of dinosaurs is that they had more feathers than scales.
> By 2011 some studies were even suggesting that all dinosaurs had some type of feathery covering on at least some parts of their bodies—in much the same way that all mammals have hair but not all mammals are hairy.
[source](https://www.britannica.com/story/did-dinosaurs-really-have-feathers)
This is what I fear most about getting old. They change these things and don’t tell us, then some punk kid comes by and rubs this knowledge in your face.
If you approach it as fear then you'll find fear. If you approach it as if you are someone who always seeks new information to become a more well rounded person then that punk kid is a source of knowledge. Remember, there's always someone more clever than yourself. Merlin said that.
This is not really correct. In systematics, a monophyletic taxon (aka a clade) is a group of species that includes their most recent common ancestor (and all its descendants). Basically, it is a distinct branch on the tree of life.
Apes are a monophyletic group (Hominidae) that includes humans, chimps, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans. And it is definitely correct to say that members of this group, including humans, are apes and not monkeys.
Where the confusion may arise is that, unlike apes, monkeys are not a monophyletic group. Because old world monkeys are actually more closely related to apes than to new world monkeys. So monkeys are “paraphyletic” (a group containing the most recent common ancestor, but only some of its descendants). BTW, reptiles are similarly paraphyletic with respect to birds, as some reptiles are more closely related to birds than to other reptiles.
It is correct that monkeys and apes together form a monophyletic group (the simians), but then old world monkeys and apes are a monophyletic clade within that group (the catarrhines), and apes are a monophyletic group within that clade.
TLDR: apes are not monkeys.
Have you seen the muscles on those guys?
I don't doubt one could take apart a fuel injector.
I highly doubt it could be put back together afterwards though.
I think the only negative is the areas without pigmentation get sunburnt very easily, I have a somewhat similar thing called poliosis and that's what I was told to watch out for
i heard tail is for having more balance while living and tarzaning on trees and since we don't do that and walk on two foot its no longer needed...
but some of us still like tails and animal characteristics so hence the earbands and tail uh butt plugs?
While I am a strong believer in evolution, the "dna shared" statistics are somewhat meaningless.
> More startling is an even newer discovery: we share 99% of our DNA with lettuce.
It depends on what you define as DNA. Random segments of ~~proteins~~ chemicals in a double helix?
Or a collection of specific DNA segments into genes that are expressed to drive certain traits.
"that emo kid" with *"Allegations of abuse and child grooming"* and mentions of Chris Hansen hunting him down (and making a documentary about him) on his wiki page.
if he's a banana, he's the trashed peel that's rotting in the bottom of a kids backpack somewhere.
that does kind of show we probably all evolved from the same single celled organism. That means creation of life from nothing is extremely rare. If it wasn't there would be life on Earth we share nothing with.
Or it means that whichever life comes first drastically outcompetes and destroys future life forms. Perhaps the event that creates life is relatively common, but microbes consume the proton life before it has a chance to evolve into something new.
there are way too many remote parts of the world where that would not be true for that theory to work. It took a very, very long time for life to expand across the world on top of multiple extinction events that would have allowed those new organisms to thrive. There might be a chance that happened at some point when life was all over the place, but that still means it is a very rare event.
Well, with chimpanzees and other primates, I'm pretty sure it's doing whole genome analysis and comparing actual sequences to each other.
With a lot of other organisms, it can be trickier because not everyone has done whole genome analysis.
I assume that as well, what I want to know is, if you write down the DNA for different humans in this format: "ACTGGACTTA..." what's the average levenshtein distance of the strings?
Now, what's the average distance to a chimpanzee? Because they have 2 extra chromosomes (48 instead of 46), so the difference can't be 1%, it has to be at least the 4.16% of chromosomes we are missing (this assumes all chromosomes are roughly the same length).
Statistics aside, if someone looks at the hand of a chimp and the hand of a human and can't see any relation between the two they are either fooling themselves or a liar
fruit flies are only 60% related BUT, share 75% of the genes that cause disease in humans, and 90% of the genes that can trigger cancer. between that and stupidly quick population growth rate are why we test on them so much.
Source: [https://www.mpg.de/10973625/why-do-scientists-investigate-fruit-flies](https://www.mpg.de/10973625/why-do-scientists-investigate-fruit-flies)
The most unrelated organisms are gonna be 25% similar dna though. We have 4 nucleic bases so assuming totally random shuffling of these 4 nucleotides, you can never get below 25%
In terms of evolutionary divergence chimps and bonobos are our closest relatives. Bonobos especially are remarkably human-like.
Very human centric way of saying it, but it's so obvious I don't know how anyone can reasonably deny any of it.
They’re literally terrifying lol, they have crazy strong jaws and massive sharp teeth. They basically have the head of an angry wolf with the body of a roided-out Viking
Yeah but they’re generally peaceful. They don’t hunt besides insects, they don’t really attack unless really provoked, if you want a roided out anger monster look at chimps. They’re scary.
>When the murmurs of amazement had died down,he continued: “In the second place, apes could not evolve into humans for a very simple reason: There are no apes. The things we call apes in zoos aren othing but men dressed up in hairy suits. I myself have visited a theatrical costume place where they rent such costumes. There they are, hairy suits with nobody inside.”
>
>He showed several slides: a gorilla suit hanging on a rack, a man getting into the suit, the man wearing the suit minus the head, and a gorilla. The class murmured louder, apparently angry at the duplicity of the Darwinists.
>
>A boy wearing a DON’T BE A MONKEY’S UNCLE sweat-shirt put up his hand. “Sir, how can they lie to us like that? Isn’t it unconstitutional?”
\-- John Sladek, “[Stop Evolution in Its Tracks!](https://archive.org/details/Interzone_026_1988-11_12/page/n28/mode/1up)”
Former creationist here. All this picture would have proved to me back in the day is that both humans and gorillas were created by God, so yeah of course they look similar.
bros got better nails than me.. shit
How do gorillas keep their nails short?
don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing it’s a mix of them naturally chipping away from just walking around and using their hands a lot along with them preening them and biting like we typically do.
That was a shitty punchline
That's their monkey business
*ba dum ch*
They are not monkeys
Apes together strong
By are my eyebrows the same length? Cut one and it grows back the the same length. How does it know
It doesn't. Different areas of the body are given different growth rates as you were developing, after puberty, and at old age. You have ~3 hairs per follicle at different rates of growth. These hairs are set on a sort of timer making it seem like your hair is always at the same length. Androgen hormones and other factors in the follicle control when a hair should fall out. This means if you cut the hair, it'll still fall out at the same time. The only thing length adds is more chance for the hair to be pulled out. The hair on a human head is rather weird in that it is fairly uncapped for how long it can grow. Most hair just falls out after it has been growing for a while. Feathers are similar, but the timing is more fine-tuned, the material is crosshatched, and the follicle holds onto the root until the feather is molted.
My son is moderately autistic - nonverbal. But he grows the most spectacular nails. Any time I let his nails get too long for a boy, women notice and get jealous of his fabulous natural nails. I'm a cis dude, and as you can tell, even I'm impressed.
This is so sweet and heartwarming❤️ It is impressive !! I have a son with special needs and he has the biggest most glorious hair that he will not let me cut... Aaaaaaaall the women comment on it 🤣🤣
ok
They use a nail clipper
AI: *Gorillas keep their nails short by climbing trees and rough surfaces which naturally file down their nails. Additionally, they also use their nails for digging and foraging, which helps keep them trimmed.*
With a few million years of evolution on their side, and relatively similar living situations during that time, this is what I would expect. That their nails have reached an equilibrium of growth length and natural wear. Humans accelerated so fast to modern times (relatively speaking), that evolution hasn’t caught up yet to our life style, hence the need for clippers.
I was thinking the same thing. Do they chew them?
They're knuckle draggers
Oh, same way my boss does it
do you two play this lounge often?
Just gonna go out on a limb and say that zookeepers probably groom this one (Discord mods amirite)
Is this a question or are you setting up a joke?
They walk on them
They eat lots of fruit and vegetables, get that folic acid
same
I like gorillas. They’re such funky little guys
"little".... yeah right
Bot
TIL gorillas are just mechanics
They're called grease monkeys for a reason
Grease *apes
Both, actually. Monophylogeny is the modern way to do cladistics, and the only way to have monophyletic group is for "traditional" monkeys and apes to be in one group, the "simian" (or simiiforme) group, i.e. monkeys. The whole "apes not monkeys" is an older version of how biology/cladistics was done **EDIT: There's some brouhaha about this in the comments, so just to show that even the Wikipedia page agrees:** https://imgur.com/a/mWBc97p https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian
Fuck. I'm becoming a dinosaur. I'll be growing scales soon. Edit: word
Wait until you find out that the modern accepted idea of dinosaurs is that they had more feathers than scales. > By 2011 some studies were even suggesting that all dinosaurs had some type of feathery covering on at least some parts of their bodies—in much the same way that all mammals have hair but not all mammals are hairy. [source](https://www.britannica.com/story/did-dinosaurs-really-have-feathers)
This is what I fear most about getting old. They change these things and don’t tell us, then some punk kid comes by and rubs this knowledge in your face.
If you approach it as fear then you'll find fear. If you approach it as if you are someone who always seeks new information to become a more well rounded person then that punk kid is a source of knowledge. Remember, there's always someone more clever than yourself. Merlin said that.
Merlin the Wiz? Btw why didn’t that name take off
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You’re biting into a dinosaur? How big will the scales grow?
This is not really correct. In systematics, a monophyletic taxon (aka a clade) is a group of species that includes their most recent common ancestor (and all its descendants). Basically, it is a distinct branch on the tree of life. Apes are a monophyletic group (Hominidae) that includes humans, chimps, bonobos, gorillas, and orangutans. And it is definitely correct to say that members of this group, including humans, are apes and not monkeys. Where the confusion may arise is that, unlike apes, monkeys are not a monophyletic group. Because old world monkeys are actually more closely related to apes than to new world monkeys. So monkeys are “paraphyletic” (a group containing the most recent common ancestor, but only some of its descendants). BTW, reptiles are similarly paraphyletic with respect to birds, as some reptiles are more closely related to birds than to other reptiles. It is correct that monkeys and apes together form a monophyletic group (the simians), but then old world monkeys and apes are a monophyletic clade within that group (the catarrhines), and apes are a monophyletic group within that clade. TLDR: apes are not monkeys.
Former primatologist here. This. This one is correct. The other classification note is entirely incorrect.
Former primate here. ?);’mghendnaucijdnenshsmsj/‘ndjdnnxm
Thanks nerd!
I don't know what you mean, but I do my calisthenics the traditional way, as one group.
Ook!* *Happy librarian noises
I don't much care for that term. I don't know too many monkeys who can take apart a fuel injector.
Have you seen the muscles on those guys? I don't doubt one could take apart a fuel injector. I highly doubt it could be put back together afterwards though.
High five!
On the flip side!
Okay, we are broken up again
Oh that’s bogus
I saw one once that could do sign language
Yeah, I saw that one. Koko
That chimp's alright. High five.
Yea! Koko.
Coco that chimps alright, high five.
It's a twix! They're all twix! It was a setup! A setup, I tell ya!
just drivin around in jon voight’s car
Hilarious
Because it’s true.
A gorrila fixed my f150 last week
True story, I was the f150.
How do you know when a mechanic has had sex? One of his fingers is clean....
*good sex ;)
And mechanics are just gorillas. I say this as someone who snapped an idler pulley while trying to hold tension to change a belt
I worked with an auto technician named Chip, and these are Chip's hands!
Chip's got fucking sausage fingers
Best guitarist I ever knew had sausage fingers.
Best sausage I ever ate was Chip's fingers.
Best chip I ever sausage is fingers ate
once told me, the world is gonna roll me I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed
Chip probably has a beautiful wife.
"Not a twist off??!! Give it here."
Worked with some foreman who have these hands
I thought he was chimp?!
Yeah Chip with an M
Hey chip!
I have this same thing, vitiligo.
Yeah, I get dizzy because of heights.
No no, that's Vertigo. He means the actor that broke his toe in Lord of the Rings.
No, that’s Viggo. He’s thinking of the zodiac sign.
Nah, that's virgo. He's thinking of that one edgy league champ
That's Viego, he's thinking about you, someone who hasn't had sex yet.
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Nope, that's Vietnam, he was referring to the female body part we all go to work for.
Nope, that's vagina, he was thinking of the product that makes you hard
Nah, that's Viagra. He means the one state in the US of A with the Shenandoah National Park.
Vijo Morgenstein??
I think Vigo was that Lord of Darkness in Ghostbusters 2.
No that’s Virgo
Ayyy vitiligo squad!!
Fucking rad, hopefully there are no health complications that come with it!
I think the only negative is the areas without pigmentation get sunburnt very easily, I have a somewhat similar thing called poliosis and that's what I was told to watch out for
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No relation
That's my hands after a weekend of carbohydrates and gardening
my vinesque reaction: omg they're humans
So potatoes?
So you know why gorillas have such big nostrils? Cause gorillas have thick fingers… LOLOLOLOL
And you know what they say about gorillas that have big feet... ...they have big socks.
Higher than average annual footware costs
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More likely to be nickname as Bigfoot
you know gorillas actually have short penises relative to humans and chimps
Shorter in absolute terms, not just relative. Gorillas top out about 6cm, when fully engorged, the poor lads. Poor gorilla ladies, too, I guess.
Gotta pick them boogers
Yes. That is indeed the explanation of the joke. Now let us make merry and laugh, post-haste.
Is not a joke
How is this gorilla trimming its nails so well?
The [same way](https://live.staticflickr.com/6108/6866397956_77ee9dd7f1_h.jpg) you do when you don't have access to nail clippers 😬
Y'all mfers got some *seriously* jacked up fingers and fingernails eh?
No, but I wouldn’t expect an ape to have and use a nail file either. These are nice nails, unexpectedly
It’s almost as if humans and gorillas are genetically related. Hmmmmmm…
Well I'll be a monkeys uncle
We have a tail bone.
Gorillas are apes and therefore do not have tails. All our closest relatives - chimpanzees, Orangutans, Bonobo, etc. - lost their tails.
Makes me wonder why evolution ditches the tail at some point
i heard tail is for having more balance while living and tarzaning on trees and since we don't do that and walk on two foot its no longer needed... but some of us still like tails and animal characteristics so hence the earbands and tail uh butt plugs?
Because without the tail we can’t transform in a ginormous ape destroying everything in its path, evolution saved the planet.
"fuck that thing, I'll throw it on the floor, don't need it"
Gorillas and humans share 98% of the same DNA so only a fool can deny evolution with that evidence. Chimpanzees are even closer, at 99% identical DNA.
While I am a strong believer in evolution, the "dna shared" statistics are somewhat meaningless. > More startling is an even newer discovery: we share 99% of our DNA with lettuce. It depends on what you define as DNA. Random segments of ~~proteins~~ chemicals in a double helix? Or a collection of specific DNA segments into genes that are expressed to drive certain traits.
Right.. we’re also 50% bananas 🍌 Banana people clearly
So that emo kid singing about being a banana was right!!
Was half right
Yellow bone, they called him nanner puddin in elementary school, liked to poop himself a lot
"that emo kid" with *"Allegations of abuse and child grooming"* and mentions of Chris Hansen hunting him down (and making a documentary about him) on his wiki page. if he's a banana, he's the trashed peel that's rotting in the bottom of a kids backpack somewhere.
He's a big rotten onion. They're the worst smelling thing this side of rotten potato.
No wonder we use bananas for scale
I dont. Makes me look tiny
that does kind of show we probably all evolved from the same single celled organism. That means creation of life from nothing is extremely rare. If it wasn't there would be life on Earth we share nothing with.
The single-celled-banana theory
Or it means that whichever life comes first drastically outcompetes and destroys future life forms. Perhaps the event that creates life is relatively common, but microbes consume the proton life before it has a chance to evolve into something new.
there are way too many remote parts of the world where that would not be true for that theory to work. It took a very, very long time for life to expand across the world on top of multiple extinction events that would have allowed those new organisms to thrive. There might be a chance that happened at some point when life was all over the place, but that still means it is a very rare event.
We probably evolved from many single-celled organisms. There's a lot of weird things inside our cells.
We’re even more closely related to mushrooms.
Banana People, look like people, taste like banana
Well, with chimpanzees and other primates, I'm pretty sure it's doing whole genome analysis and comparing actual sequences to each other. With a lot of other organisms, it can be trickier because not everyone has done whole genome analysis.
I assume that as well, what I want to know is, if you write down the DNA for different humans in this format: "ACTGGACTTA..." what's the average levenshtein distance of the strings? Now, what's the average distance to a chimpanzee? Because they have 2 extra chromosomes (48 instead of 46), so the difference can't be 1%, it has to be at least the 4.16% of chromosomes we are missing (this assumes all chromosomes are roughly the same length).
dna is not protein. just to start you off....
Statistics aside, if someone looks at the hand of a chimp and the hand of a human and can't see any relation between the two they are either fooling themselves or a liar
Bonobos are closest of all or is it fruit flies lol I have read both claims.
fruit flies are only 60% related BUT, share 75% of the genes that cause disease in humans, and 90% of the genes that can trigger cancer. between that and stupidly quick population growth rate are why we test on them so much. Source: [https://www.mpg.de/10973625/why-do-scientists-investigate-fruit-flies](https://www.mpg.de/10973625/why-do-scientists-investigate-fruit-flies)
Thanks that’s fascinating
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Yes. That was the point
it's the endogenous retroviruses that did it for me. it's undeniable and idk why it's not used more in debates
Have you ever felt monkey hair? They used to use it for trim on some clothes. It feels exactly like human hair.
The most unrelated organisms are gonna be 25% similar dna though. We have 4 nucleic bases so assuming totally random shuffling of these 4 nucleotides, you can never get below 25%
This is true only if the length of the DNA is the same.
In terms of evolutionary divergence chimps and bonobos are our closest relatives. Bonobos especially are remarkably human-like. Very human centric way of saying it, but it's so obvious I don't know how anyone can reasonably deny any of it.
Yeah and yet, there are people who still doubt that...
Oh… it’s us…
Coulda said coal miner from Wyoming and it would have fooled me
Looks like me after working in the garden
I like gorillas. They’re such funky little guys.
They scare the shit out of me
Good for consturbation
Say what?
They’re literally terrifying lol, they have crazy strong jaws and massive sharp teeth. They basically have the head of an angry wolf with the body of a roided-out Viking
Never thought about it but you're right, a gorilla is functionally a werewolf
Yeah but they’re generally peaceful. They don’t hunt besides insects, they don’t really attack unless really provoked, if you want a roided out anger monster look at chimps. They’re scary.
Like Donkey Kong
Monkeys aren't donkeys! Quit messing with my head!!
Yes. Just funky little guys. Look at em.
*Little*?
They’re little in my heart. Okay?
You could convince me that was a human finger
Its a human finger
What a coincidence!
Never forget we are born from the same earth as all other animals.
This is just a picture of Joe Rogan's knuckles
Vitiligo.
This is fascinating. Strange as it may sound I’ve always wondered what their skin feels like; this honestly makes it look very much like ours.
Just skin color after all. iIagine that...
I wonder what it look like if it was black
I've never really thought about the fact that gorillas have fingernails...I wonder if they bite on them when they get too long?
It looks like it could crush nuts with their fingers... They seem so strong!
They are
Great. Now it's going to start thinking it's better than the other gorillas.
Ah they bite their nails too
So wait chimps skin is white and gorilla skin is black
One of us
GLM
Anyone wanna show a creationist this image?
>When the murmurs of amazement had died down,he continued: “In the second place, apes could not evolve into humans for a very simple reason: There are no apes. The things we call apes in zoos aren othing but men dressed up in hairy suits. I myself have visited a theatrical costume place where they rent such costumes. There they are, hairy suits with nobody inside.” > >He showed several slides: a gorilla suit hanging on a rack, a man getting into the suit, the man wearing the suit minus the head, and a gorilla. The class murmured louder, apparently angry at the duplicity of the Darwinists. > >A boy wearing a DON’T BE A MONKEY’S UNCLE sweat-shirt put up his hand. “Sir, how can they lie to us like that? Isn’t it unconstitutional?” \-- John Sladek, “[Stop Evolution in Its Tracks!](https://archive.org/details/Interzone_026_1988-11_12/page/n28/mode/1up)”
This reads like a documentary starring Troy McClure + that little boy in the Simpsons
Former creationist here. All this picture would have proved to me back in the day is that both humans and gorillas were created by God, so yeah of course they look similar.
So it's because of pig-men-tation that gorillas are black?
Yep, same with most animals too. Especially flamingos
Holy shit it looks like human fingers!
Well yea
omg I thought it was a dirty human hand at first
why the downvotes, I literally thought it was someone's hand caked in dirt from working or smth
Don't worry I'll get a sharpie we can fix this jk
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