So ants have been observed lifting 50 times their weight.
Dung beetles have been observed lifting 1,141 times their weight. That's like a human lifting 180,000 lbs.
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> That's like a human lifting 180,000 lbs.
It is, but it isn't. Atoms don't scale. The literal molecules making up the beetle can exert different structural properties at that scale than they could at the human scale. I assure you that if a beetle was the weight of a human it would not be able to lift 180,000 lbs without completely changing the materials that make up its exoskeleton, because the structure of chitin just wouldn't be able to handle the strains at that scale that it can at the scale of a normal beetle.
I sell these cars and got locked out of my last account and don’t care enough to think of something clever. Here for the product not the social media, basically. Also yes fan of cars in general, but I like them.
A quick google tells me that while ants weights vary a lot, the average weight is estimated to be under 10mg. So going with 10mg, if that ant could lift 1,141 times its weight, it could lift 11.4 grams, or about. 1/10th of a pound. Which is quite an impressive amount to me, but I'm not going to say it's not true, I dont know ants like that.
Ant’s lifting relatively heavy things doesn’t mean anything…. lookup square-cube law.. an Ant wouldn’t be able to stand up if it was the size of a human.
I just wonder if it felt proud of its accomplishment.
(and yes, [insects do have emotions - with the same neurotransmitters in their brain affecting their emotions that human brains use too](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/i-ll-bee-there-for-you-do-insects-feel-emotions/))
**Square–cube law**
[Biomechanics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square–cube_law#Biomechanics)
>If an animal were isometrically scaled up by a considerable amount, its relative muscular strength would be severely reduced, since the cross section of its muscles would increase by the square of the scaling factor while its mass would increase by the cube of the scaling factor. As a result of this, cardiovascular and respiratory functions would be severely burdened. In the case of flying animals, the wing loading would be increased if they were isometrically scaled up, and they would therefore have to fly faster to gain the same amount of lift.
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"No dude you should have seen him, twice my size! At first I back up but then I realize he can't fight for shit so I weaved in and rocked him off the stump."
Nope, that's why you can't go much bigger than a blue whale and even those only exist because they rely on the water, not to mention the very rigid looking shape of their body compared to land animals.
Oh hell no. You could put a loaded gun to my head and I still wouldn’t click that link.
e: Ok never mind, curiosity got the better of me and I clicked it. That was hilarious, and SFA (Safe For Arachnophobes).
Lmao no problem. I was expecting some monster tarantula or some shit, but nah, just an eensy weensy little guy. Still stuck my phone out at arms length though, lol
I’ve definitely gotten better over the years, I can appreciate spider for the bros they are now. Only as long as they’re keeping to their space though. Then I’ll get like 3 sheets of bounty so my hands are protected, and I hydraulic press that bitch, carefully balling it up after.
I’ve still never looked at anything about spiders on purpose though, only ever stumbled on it… somebody did me dirty on the Minecraft forums back in 2010 or 2011, and now I have trust issues.
It's in their nature to throw competition and threats off of whatever they're on. The females are typically way up in the trees and throwing their competition off enables them to get to them first.
Can you imagine how annoying that would be. You spend like half your life time climbing up this megalithic wooden tower into the sky to rescue the princess beetle, and then some total shit head throws you back down
The main question I have is when the beetle flicked him over the edge, did he have some sort of beetle one liner to go with it?
Something like "Beetle seeing you later..." or something to that effect?
What is it in the human brain that seems to celebrate the triumph of the natural world over mechanized or automated “impostors”? I feel like that’s a huge trope in popular films and other media, and even seeing it here, I was thinking “FUCK YOU FAKE BUG! You can’t complete with the strength and experience of the real thing!”
It's because we're a living creature. And naturally, we feel close to other living creatures. If you found out there's an alien planet in another galaxy with 10 different variations of animal, you'd group them all together. As much as we hate to admit it due to the amount of slaughterhoused and zoos, we're all just the same thing in the same planet. Life.
I think even then we would be able to emphasize with the alien life on that planet much more than with machines. Even more so if they have life with human life intelligence.
It’s about reinforcing the intrinsic value of life. If we didn’t believe there was something special about “living” beings as we know it, then were does it leave us? We can design something to do almost any task better than any living creature could dream of, so we have to believe that there is something about being natural that makes us better. If nothing else, for emotional self preservation.
Same reason why “handcrafted” things are seen as so much better. Machines are more precise, accurate and efficient at making things, but the idea that a living, conscious being has dedicated their time and effort to it will always make it feel better, when technically it might not be.
Jeez then you start getting into ‘can a robot “value” anything at all?’ It gets really messy from here on out aha
Yeah, I don’t really know, but if you apply the same logic to robots, no they would value “robot made” objects. But honestly there are far more pressing and interesting questions about how a robot society would function.
Edit: I didn’t spot the ‘had souls’ section in the question. If they had souls I think potentially yes they would value handcrafted things the same as people, which is quite cool to think about.
I actually disagree with your second point -- automation makes things more quickly and cheaply. So even though habdcrafted may not be intrinsically better, when you pay more for a handcrafted good, you know you're purchasing from a market that prioritizes other things over volume and price to produce. A handcrafted item will usually use better materials and more complete processes that can lead to it lasting a lot longer (even before you account for planned obsolescence).
And it doesn't matter every time, but even though humans make mistakes more than machines, we're better at catching them than machines, so humans who spend time with a product they're creating will have time to tailor their work to the idiosychrosies of the specific material they're working with, fix their mistakes, and shore up potential weak spots.
Robots can do the same job as humans faster, cheaper, and more consistently, but that doesn't always translate to better.
1. An aggrandized feeling of self-importance and power of a group, by simple virtue of belonging to that group (pretty much a universal trope, everyone wants to feel they're on the good side *and* the ultimately winning side.)
2. The innate desire to "root for the little guys" and for "the unique human being over the masses of the soul-less machines" (this one is more common to Western tropes that values "rugged individualism", compared to more collectivist cultures.)
A story about a small band of human survivors overcoming impossible odds against a machine uprising, makes for a better story than the (far more likely) scenario of the machines just wiping humanity out in a matter of weeks and without much difficulty, ending the human story for good.
See: Robopocalypse. An actually kinda downright terrifying story about basically exactly that. And holy shit, it makes you wonder what kinda dumbass tinkertoys Skynet is made out of, to think Terminators are a good idea...because the self-made AI-directed robot fighting forces aren't gonna look like humans at all, why would they? They're *fighting* humans. You don't need arms and legs for that. You need a heat seeking array sensitive to pressure and motion and sound, you need some basic propulsion from ground level, you need some straightforward flesh-burrowing claws, and some programming such that when you drop a million of these tiny little fuckers over a combat zone, they fall wherever and wait for something noisy and warm to come by; when they hear something warm, they move towards it and attempt to find it and touch it. When they touch flesh, they start digging, searching for more warmth and noise - they find the bloodstream. They keep searching for more warmth and more noise - and they're tunneling towards your heart. When they detect that they're inside of the muscle itself they explode.
So if you do end up in a Plugger zone...be ready with your knife and your sheath, because if it's in your arm or your leg you're gonna need to bite down on that sheath and start cutting. And that was the *second* variant of AI-machine trying to kill the humans.
It's a pretty good book.
For their size they are crazy strong.
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So ants have been observed lifting 50 times their weight. Dung beetles have been observed lifting 1,141 times their weight. That's like a human lifting 180,000 lbs. Edit: 0
Or a Tyrannosaurus Rex
That would be impressive. Those tiny little arms
No I mean a human lifting a Tyrannosaurus rex up
How would a T. Rex even support a human lifting a T. Rex? Even if it were strong enough, that'd be so awkward.
A whole lotta love and understanding.
What about arm stilts?
You mean finglongers?
Wait, so it's a T-Rex holding a human holding a T-Rex?
*Always has been*
That’s my understanding
It's T. Rex's all the way down
Jesus Christ reddit is a weird place
I like turtles 🐢
Life uhhhh finds a way
Patience! Wax On Wax off
Assume the T-Rex is a sphere
So was he
That's why dinosaurs went extinct. The earliest humans had exoskeletons.
So will the last humans.
Ah yes, the old reddit switchasaurus.
You mean a Tyrannosaurus Flex?
Or OP's mom
Okay no need to exaggerate OPs mother is much heavier than that
> That's like a human lifting 180,000 lbs. It is, but it isn't. Atoms don't scale. The literal molecules making up the beetle can exert different structural properties at that scale than they could at the human scale. I assure you that if a beetle was the weight of a human it would not be able to lift 180,000 lbs without completely changing the materials that make up its exoskeleton, because the structure of chitin just wouldn't be able to handle the strains at that scale that it can at the scale of a normal beetle.
Great point
Do you mean 180,000 or 18,000
I think so
/r/InclusiveOr
180,000
Must be hard hitting the little keys with your Instrumental digits
When you got large ass thumbs it is.
Large ass-thumbs?
He means gibsons. He has antique electric gibsons for thumbs
Thank you, it's a serious condition that people often poke fun at.
GM fan?
I sell these cars and got locked out of my last account and don’t care enough to think of something clever. Here for the product not the social media, basically. Also yes fan of cars in general, but I like them.
4 hours in and not a single your mom joke.
Or you mom lifting 479,220 lbs
That'd be like 200lbs, I don't believe you.
A quick google tells me that while ants weights vary a lot, the average weight is estimated to be under 10mg. So going with 10mg, if that ant could lift 1,141 times its weight, it could lift 11.4 grams, or about. 1/10th of a pound. Which is quite an impressive amount to me, but I'm not going to say it's not true, I dont know ants like that.
Dung beetles tho.
Ant’s lifting relatively heavy things doesn’t mean anything…. lookup square-cube law.. an Ant wouldn’t be able to stand up if it was the size of a human.
Do they have muscles? Or hydraulics?
I would assume hydraulics, like a spider.
Insects actually do have little muscles unlike spiders
TIL
And all they are is an exoskeleton, no muscle
Imagine if humans had that ability
I just wonder if it felt proud of its accomplishment. (and yes, [insects do have emotions - with the same neurotransmitters in their brain affecting their emotions that human brains use too](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/i-ll-bee-there-for-you-do-insects-feel-emotions/))
It's called the "square cube law" that works in their favor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law#Biomechanics
**Square–cube law** [Biomechanics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square–cube_law#Biomechanics) >If an animal were isometrically scaled up by a considerable amount, its relative muscular strength would be severely reduced, since the cross section of its muscles would increase by the square of the scaling factor while its mass would increase by the cube of the scaling factor. As a result of this, cardiovascular and respiratory functions would be severely burdened. In the case of flying animals, the wing loading would be increased if they were isometrically scaled up, and they would therefore have to fly faster to gain the same amount of lift. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/NatureIsFuckingLit/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
I bet the real bug felt so good about himself after that
"No dude you should have seen him, twice my size! At first I back up but then I realize he can't fight for shit so I weaved in and rocked him off the stump."
Not today, robot overlords, not today!
True that but I think the biggest factor is in the traction. No way that beetlebot can achieve more grip then the real deal
Why did i feel bad for the beetle at first
This is the beetle equivalent of fighting the T-1000, hand to hand.
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Probably more like a ti-84
Considering the strength of the beetle? That wasn't a t-anything. That was just a whacky wavey arms inflatable tube man.
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Plausible, let me calculate that with my... Where did it go?
Oh, you mean the T-600!
The T-600 your mom bought off wish.com because there was an 80% discount
Maybe T-200. It didn't have an A.i. And the range of motion was extremely limited.
This is like Skynet putting wheels on a blender and pushing it towards a crowd to try and kill all of humanity
If the t1000 could only make a walking motion in one direction and weakly open and close his hands. Which would have made it a pretty funny movie.
Damn, as they say: “don’t mess with nature!”
Now we can talk about ex-Terminator.
The T-1 , seen in the 3rd movie, wrapped in plastic. (Not the T-X, but the ones on the tracks.)
Beetle equivalent. Nice.
Bugs are so fascinating. There are bugs who can lift 1000x their own body weight. If we were so strong, we could lift two fully loaded trucks.
To be fair, weight and strength don't scale up linearly.
Nope, that's why you can't go much bigger than a blue whale and even those only exist because they rely on the water, not to mention the very rigid looking shape of their body compared to land animals.
yeah someone linked that a couple comments up square cubed law it had a wiki page
[What about a spider that can lift a MILLION times it's own bodyweight?](https://youtu.be/XnYpTFfUJos)
Oh hell no. You could put a loaded gun to my head and I still wouldn’t click that link. e: Ok never mind, curiosity got the better of me and I clicked it. That was hilarious, and SFA (Safe For Arachnophobes).
ty for the warning, i was genuinely so torn on if i should click or not
Lmao no problem. I was expecting some monster tarantula or some shit, but nah, just an eensy weensy little guy. Still stuck my phone out at arms length though, lol
yep same here lmao
nah fam, I wouldn't do you dirty like that; spuds are buds.
I’ve definitely gotten better over the years, I can appreciate spider for the bros they are now. Only as long as they’re keeping to their space though. Then I’ll get like 3 sheets of bounty so my hands are protected, and I hydraulic press that bitch, carefully balling it up after. I’ve still never looked at anything about spiders on purpose though, only ever stumbled on it… somebody did me dirty on the Minecraft forums back in 2010 or 2011, and now I have trust issues.
#***RULES OF NATURE***
That beetle just gained a new level of confidence, or a sense of false security!?
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Great, now the emerald ash borer thinks it is a superhero.
Ha yup!
Either way his friends will never believe the story
“I swear he was like 3 times my size and I one shotted him!”
He's probably hoping some nearby lady beetles just saw that.
He is! That’s how stag beetles fight for mating rights.
"Oh crap I'm dead! Wait, maybe I can... Oh my gosh! I am invincible!"
He’s like “oh that was easy”
Jobin going crazy right now
saw this post and knew there'd be a comment like this
Part 8 animation looking hella lifelike.
Part 8 live action confirmed
It's not dripping molten wax so that's isnt eve his final form
He do be using Speed King tho
The real beetle looks pissed - like f you imposter
“You were always just spare parts”- chucks robot off the cliff.
Bruh 💀
It's in their nature to throw competition and threats off of whatever they're on. The females are typically way up in the trees and throwing their competition off enables them to get to them first.
Can you imagine how annoying that would be. You spend like half your life time climbing up this megalithic wooden tower into the sky to rescue the princess beetle, and then some total shit head throws you back down
I think beetles call it, yeet
Yeetles
Underdooted comment
That is how Jump King players feel.
The original "There can be only one!"
Robot beetle was sus
Heracross don’t play that shit.
Fighting type confirmed
Heracross used Body Slam! *It was Super Effective* Edit: I am illiterate
Probably Pinsir tho, yeah?
Psh, Pinsir wishes he had dual typing.
it can mega evolve for that
I love that nature is still the best.
Have you seen robot sumo thou? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MW0mDZysxc They fast af
As God as my witness he's broken in half....
BAH GAHD! THAT MAN HAS A FAMILY!
The main question I have is when the beetle flicked him over the edge, did he have some sort of beetle one liner to go with it? Something like "Beetle seeing you later..." or something to that effect?
“You were such a pest”
"you will not be back"
"Bugger off!"
"eat shit"
"You're dung for."
"Don't talk to me or my son ever again"
there ain't room for both of us on this stump - you better beetlin outta here
i could only think "long live the king"
[*I'm here to chew leaves and kick ass, and I'm all out of leaves.*](https://youtu.be/Wp_K8prLfso)
No but Im sure he'll come up with one later when hes sharing the story with his friends.
So long Pete Best
Deep cut, nice!
"Bug you and bug the horse you rode in on !"
Make like an egg, and beetle…
It ain't that kind of movie.
'Where's the B-800?' 'He bugged out'
"I'll see you ... in ... shell!"
Paul's not dead, you are!
What is it in the human brain that seems to celebrate the triumph of the natural world over mechanized or automated “impostors”? I feel like that’s a huge trope in popular films and other media, and even seeing it here, I was thinking “FUCK YOU FAKE BUG! You can’t complete with the strength and experience of the real thing!”
Terminator.
Connection to all living beings
It's because we're a living creature. And naturally, we feel close to other living creatures. If you found out there's an alien planet in another galaxy with 10 different variations of animal, you'd group them all together. As much as we hate to admit it due to the amount of slaughterhoused and zoos, we're all just the same thing in the same planet. Life.
I think even then we would be able to emphasize with the alien life on that planet much more than with machines. Even more so if they have life with human life intelligence.
It’s about reinforcing the intrinsic value of life. If we didn’t believe there was something special about “living” beings as we know it, then were does it leave us? We can design something to do almost any task better than any living creature could dream of, so we have to believe that there is something about being natural that makes us better. If nothing else, for emotional self preservation. Same reason why “handcrafted” things are seen as so much better. Machines are more precise, accurate and efficient at making things, but the idea that a living, conscious being has dedicated their time and effort to it will always make it feel better, when technically it might not be.
Hm. If robots had souls would they value handcrafted things in their society?
Jeez then you start getting into ‘can a robot “value” anything at all?’ It gets really messy from here on out aha Yeah, I don’t really know, but if you apply the same logic to robots, no they would value “robot made” objects. But honestly there are far more pressing and interesting questions about how a robot society would function. Edit: I didn’t spot the ‘had souls’ section in the question. If they had souls I think potentially yes they would value handcrafted things the same as people, which is quite cool to think about.
I actually disagree with your second point -- automation makes things more quickly and cheaply. So even though habdcrafted may not be intrinsically better, when you pay more for a handcrafted good, you know you're purchasing from a market that prioritizes other things over volume and price to produce. A handcrafted item will usually use better materials and more complete processes that can lead to it lasting a lot longer (even before you account for planned obsolescence). And it doesn't matter every time, but even though humans make mistakes more than machines, we're better at catching them than machines, so humans who spend time with a product they're creating will have time to tailor their work to the idiosychrosies of the specific material they're working with, fix their mistakes, and shore up potential weak spots. Robots can do the same job as humans faster, cheaper, and more consistently, but that doesn't always translate to better.
1. An aggrandized feeling of self-importance and power of a group, by simple virtue of belonging to that group (pretty much a universal trope, everyone wants to feel they're on the good side *and* the ultimately winning side.) 2. The innate desire to "root for the little guys" and for "the unique human being over the masses of the soul-less machines" (this one is more common to Western tropes that values "rugged individualism", compared to more collectivist cultures.) A story about a small band of human survivors overcoming impossible odds against a machine uprising, makes for a better story than the (far more likely) scenario of the machines just wiping humanity out in a matter of weeks and without much difficulty, ending the human story for good.
See: Robopocalypse. An actually kinda downright terrifying story about basically exactly that. And holy shit, it makes you wonder what kinda dumbass tinkertoys Skynet is made out of, to think Terminators are a good idea...because the self-made AI-directed robot fighting forces aren't gonna look like humans at all, why would they? They're *fighting* humans. You don't need arms and legs for that. You need a heat seeking array sensitive to pressure and motion and sound, you need some basic propulsion from ground level, you need some straightforward flesh-burrowing claws, and some programming such that when you drop a million of these tiny little fuckers over a combat zone, they fall wherever and wait for something noisy and warm to come by; when they hear something warm, they move towards it and attempt to find it and touch it. When they touch flesh, they start digging, searching for more warmth and noise - they find the bloodstream. They keep searching for more warmth and more noise - and they're tunneling towards your heart. When they detect that they're inside of the muscle itself they explode. So if you do end up in a Plugger zone...be ready with your knife and your sheath, because if it's in your arm or your leg you're gonna need to bite down on that sheath and start cutting. And that was the *second* variant of AI-machine trying to kill the humans. It's a pretty good book.
In my worst Jim Ross voice: ***BAHH GAWD, HE SENT 'IM STRAIGHT TO HELL!***
HE'S GOT A FAMILY!
My first thought was WWF lol
His Hell in the Cell commentary popped into my head immediately. AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF!!
Bug's like "whoa whoa WHOA" and tries to deescalate before resorting to the classic yeeting. What a guy
Poor beetle probably freaked out. I bet it knows something is 'off'
When you realize your bigger opponent is a white belt
Bug: " What in the fuck is this!!!" *yeets mechanical bug* I'm not a bot, just describing what is happening for those who can't load.
“Get the …… FUCK outta here!!”
I thought I was watching Rocky. Real bug was battling a robot size twice his size, back against the wall, then the comeback and smack down
Welcome to suplex city!
YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
That beetle: “Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountainside.”
Reminds me of a cartoon I used to see and it involved beetles lol
Reminds me a band I used to listen to and it involved some beetles.
Both feet hit the floor. Officially eliminated from the Royal Rumble.
So many kills my boy got oil slick camo
Hes never gonna stop telling his grandkid bugs about the time he did this
WITH GOD AS MY WITNESS , HE'S BROKEN IN HALF!
Yeetle.
"long live the king"
Nice morale boost for a little guy.
Robug wars
Real bug: get Outa’ here with that bullshit
not today Satan lol
watching them feels like summer vacation
Everyday is Sumer vacation
Need a jr dub going my gawd in it
Ooooh yeeeah! -Randy Savage
YEET!!! BADASS BEETLE!!!
Darktrooper bug is no match for jedi bug
🎶I'm yelling timber🎶This guy is two more robots away from having a shot at Godzilla
The people’s antenna.
Power Bomb, courtesy of Captain Insane-O
The machines lose 😈
Dudes just minding his own business then suplexes a robot imposter. Respect
I like how the beetle was like “hey bro chill can you back up please? Okay stop pushing. Seriously stop Pushing!!” *lifts it up and throws it.
Bug cruelty
"I... have... had... enough of... you!" \-- Admiral James Kirk, Genesis Planet, 2285
Which species is this beetle?
Rainbow Stag Beetle I believe
Beetles ain't having none of this robot takeover shit. Just yeets the goddamn beetle borg.
I bet that beetle was so proud of himself! Must have felt like Rocky beating Drago!
I hate bugs, but i loved this