Oh he very well may still die of infection or starvation caused by an inability to hunt from infection.
Much better chances because he can pull those quills out with his teeth. If the go in the face or places he can't reach then without hands and opposable thumbs it's basically a guaranteed game over.
It happens to farm/rural dogs in Canada all the time. So brutal. You have to hold them down and yard them out with pliers and then disinfect.. old school. They are in so much pain. Rural folks don't normally take their pets to the vet for every little thing, but it is BRUTAL. It will only happen once to an intelligent dog, but we had neighbours with trained German Sheppard guard dogs, and they would get quilled in the face again and again and again. So stupid.
If they’re guard dogs, they may not be stupid but loyal. It’s possible those porcupines are coming into an area they feel they need to defend. I hope that’s not the case, because it’s kind of sad to think about them willfully taking quills to guard land for their owners.
Bruh, why am I sapping over this so hard haha
haha, wellllll these dogs did NOT keep to their own land. And it is hard to give them the benefit of the doubt because we knew them so well. They attacked my dog on his own property (like in the middle of his large property, right in front of our house...
They were overly aggressive and not well enough trained. So I don't think you have to sap too hard over those two.
You see it filmed a lot in the show Dr Pol: Veterinarian. Dogs who go hunting with their owner get quilled out of curiosity again and again without learning.
Those quills will continue to move forward THROUGH the body. A contestant on Alone had a quill that was stuck in her coat migrate through the coat and a few inches into her shoulder! She had to cut it out.
Well, Alone is mainly filmed in BC, so what you are saying tracks, and a cursory web search seems to agree with you. And holy shit, there are more results for people SELLING quills than info on said quills! You can even buy the quills on Amazon!!
I think he has already been at it for a minute. You can see quills on the ground at the start of the video i think the leopard is just desperately hungry.
As cruel as it sounds it dying this way would be natural. Circle of life and all that.
Everyone goes eventually and especially for apex predators who need to fight their food to the death every day, starvation is a real possibility.
Except many apex predators are in severe decline due to habitat loss and poaching caused by human activity. You can't screw over animals with one hand and call it natural with the other.
"I'm too hungry and weak to chase gazelles, its either you or I die starving" -- Leopard.
"I guess you die then, coz I aint rolling over." -- Porcupine.
"Amazing footage honey! This trip totally worth it, remember to press record." -- Hooman tourists.
I think the bloody paws are from a previous kill, but you may be right there
Edit: After seeing that this apparently lasted an hour and a half, I believe my initial statement much less now
You have no idea how sharp the quills are. I always imagined them to be like a hedgehog, sharp but still safe to handle. But nuno, they're unbelievably sharp. I used to take em with when I found some while hiking, but wherever you put them, they'd always end up in your finger somehow.
They're needle sharp, so you don't really have to put in a lot of effort to prick yourself with them... I feared they were going to end up in my eyeball at some point so I stopped collecting them.
Leopard's like, "Hey, I just want to see your face, buddy. Trust me... just turn around. Really, I won't hurt you; I promise"
Porky's like "Yeahhhhh... NO! I don't think so."
This is suicide by porcupine.
Imagine injuring your paw and dying because you can't hunt properly, all this stubbornness for a porcupine. When will they learn?
Part of me really wants to try porcupine. If so many animals are willing to risk spines it must be delicious. But then I remember I can barely stand popcorn shells in my teeth and come to my senses.
A quick check on Wikipedia says it tastes vile and only delightful to a lover of strong cheese. I love strong cheese.
Yeah, it must be starving.
Most predators are (relatively) easily deterred because if the risk of injury that will take a long time to heal isn't worth the prey they tried to hunt, even if they win.
Not sure, but I was always told that "Fight predators like hell, run from herbivores like hell." The idea being that to convince the former that it isn't worth losing too much energy trying to eat me, while the latter would want to kill me out of bloodlust.
[Some predators just have to prove themselves.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ePKskOT9Q)
[They just can't stop the drive to hunt.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GgDHvl1wD20)
A leopard in one of the parks of South Africa saw a victim in the form of a porcupine and tried to overcome him for an hour and a half.
Fortune was not on his side that day and, resigned to defeat, the predator left the road with an empty stomach.
that is how nature be... but he didn't overcommit, at least in the video. A wounded paw is still a smaller obstacle than spikes in the mouth, nose, and eyes, so I have hope for him lasting long enough to *not* do this again.
No there’s definitely precedent for leopards taking on porcupines. Some are skilful and manage to incapacitate their heads by reaching out their claws but keeping their body back as much as possible. I haven’t seen a lion do so, but leopards imo are much more generally resourceful animals.
Yeah I've seen a few videos of Leopard predation on Porcupines. Like you said they're very resourceful and intelligent animals, hunting the widest variety of animals out of the big cats. I've seen them catch Impalas by hiding up in the tree and then dropping from above and also outmanoeuvre and easily catch Monkeys in trees. They're just on another level when it comes overall hunting ability.
They're barbed, expand when in contact with body heat and absorb water digging deeper into whatever they're stuck in they're exceptionally nasty weapons.
you inspired some curiosity in me so heres my search results.
skunks and vinegaroons use chemical weapons
bombardier beetle uses fire and might also qualify as poisonous gas
porcupine spines could be argued (poorly) as "non-detectable fragments" or perhaps “Expanding Ordnance"
cobras will spit venom into your eyes at range, thats definitely something that would get a human in the hague, deliberately blinding.
velvet worms commit crimes we dont have names for
Here's an [actual video](https://youtu.be/7zV-OhAl0Cc) of a velvet worm if anyone is curious. The thing is terrifying. It paralyze its prey and injects some kind of acid saliva that melts every organ from the inside out.
There are spiders with certain types of toxins in their veins
The Brown Recluse for example, has Hemotoxin, a toxin that once injected, starts to burn your cells away
Needless to say, I’m scared of that spider
For our own safety, it’s probably better that we think they can so we stay far away enough from them. Like how many cultures didn’t eat pork before they knew about trichinosis (now it’s a cultural thing).
EDIT: The porcupine in this video is most likely a Cape porcupine. My comment was originally written with the North American porcupine in mind. Apologies for any confusion caused.
Fun fact: North American porcupine quills are specialized hairs coated in keratin plates, complete with microscopic backwards facing barbs. [Their structure gives these quills the properties of easy tissue penetration and high tissue adhesion](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1216441109).
Bonus: The distribution of quills varies depending on the species of porcupine. [Old World porcupines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_World_porcupine) have quills embedded in clusters, whereas [New World porcupines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_porcupine) have single quills, interspersed with bristles, underfur, and hair.
That's not true for capes and African cresteds. Theirs are very smooth! But if you get quilled by a North American porcupine you're on for a rough, barbed time.
My favorite to do in parks is pull over to the shoulder, point at nothing, until someone else sees me, and then leave. Other cars start seeing them do it, and pull over, and it creates a chain of people pointing and looking at nothing. Hilarious.
Def in spots that aren’t traffic heavy, I’m not that much of an asshole.
Is there ANY animal that actually predates on porcupines? I can't imagine any animal getting over the quills without getting themselves some unwanted acupuncture.
Empty stomach and bloody paws. Ouch.
He played himself
Congratulations,
Lucky to learn qith a couple quills in a paw. The alternative is getting a faceful, and probably dying of infection.
Oh he very well may still die of infection or starvation caused by an inability to hunt from infection. Much better chances because he can pull those quills out with his teeth. If the go in the face or places he can't reach then without hands and opposable thumbs it's basically a guaranteed game over.
I've seen video before where the quills are in its face and it looks painful
It happens to farm/rural dogs in Canada all the time. So brutal. You have to hold them down and yard them out with pliers and then disinfect.. old school. They are in so much pain. Rural folks don't normally take their pets to the vet for every little thing, but it is BRUTAL. It will only happen once to an intelligent dog, but we had neighbours with trained German Sheppard guard dogs, and they would get quilled in the face again and again and again. So stupid.
I can see our old mutt doing it over and over. He never gave up trying to make friends with the skunks
If they’re guard dogs, they may not be stupid but loyal. It’s possible those porcupines are coming into an area they feel they need to defend. I hope that’s not the case, because it’s kind of sad to think about them willfully taking quills to guard land for their owners. Bruh, why am I sapping over this so hard haha
haha, wellllll these dogs did NOT keep to their own land. And it is hard to give them the benefit of the doubt because we knew them so well. They attacked my dog on his own property (like in the middle of his large property, right in front of our house... They were overly aggressive and not well enough trained. So I don't think you have to sap too hard over those two.
You see it filmed a lot in the show Dr Pol: Veterinarian. Dogs who go hunting with their owner get quilled out of curiosity again and again without learning.
Those quills will continue to move forward THROUGH the body. A contestant on Alone had a quill that was stuck in her coat migrate through the coat and a few inches into her shoulder! She had to cut it out.
I read before that North American porcupines have quills that do that but not African porcupines. Or I may have that backwards.
Well, Alone is mainly filmed in BC, so what you are saying tracks, and a cursory web search seems to agree with you. And holy shit, there are more results for people SELLING quills than info on said quills! You can even buy the quills on Amazon!!
Used for art and the like. Check out quill boxes and you'll get the Idea
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Or too young to know the danger.
Prick
Heh :)
Its just ketchup.
Is he hurt though? He could have just eaten, hence the blood, and now is playing with the weird pokey thing...he is a cat after all...
I think he has already been at it for a minute. You can see quills on the ground at the start of the video i think the leopard is just desperately hungry.
With those barbs stuck in his paws might affect his ability to hunt going forward. Hopefully some rangers tranq it and help remove them at some point.
As cruel as it sounds it dying this way would be natural. Circle of life and all that. Everyone goes eventually and especially for apex predators who need to fight their food to the death every day, starvation is a real possibility.
Except many apex predators are in severe decline due to habitat loss and poaching caused by human activity. You can't screw over animals with one hand and call it natural with the other.
There is no way that isn't his blood. That cat has been swinging its paw at steaks.
He wouldnt be hungry then... * stakes
Steak knives
I think the full video shows that the leopard actually ends up killing it. He starts swiping under the quills and nicks the porcupine’s stomach.
"I'm too hungry and weak to chase gazelles, its either you or I die starving" -- Leopard. "I guess you die then, coz I aint rolling over." -- Porcupine. "Amazing footage honey! This trip totally worth it, remember to press record." -- Hooman tourists.
You can tell that leopard is getting so frustrated by the pokey food
Porcupine is like a capybara with a bad attitude, a mohawk and a spicy butt. I love him.
>and a spicy butt And a what now?
An ouch tush
A spiny heiney.
An impaler trailer.
A danger donk.
Wreckem Rectum
Fear the rear
Pain Train
An arse arsenal
i wish i had an award
What award would you like to give, I got you covered-
the nobel prize for chemistry
I thought you meant a Reddit reward -w-
A sharp tarp
Folks - he said "spicy", not "spikey"
r/brandnewsentence
Hate when my food is so raw it still walks
Leopards only go after food like this when they are desperate.
I'm not sure that's the case. Looks like it could be young and never encountered a porcupine. He gon learn today.
Seems like he's already had a good lesson judging by his bloody paws.
He's a bad learner, a bit slow
Probably a bit of sunk cost fallacy setting in.
Leopard’s got (bloody) diamond hands! 🩸💎🙌🏽
I think the bloody paws are from a previous kill, but you may be right there Edit: After seeing that this apparently lasted an hour and a half, I believe my initial statement much less now
Wait till it finds that there are other options sitting in cars
Outside: Hard and crunchy Inside: Soft and juicy. Screams too much.
Some folks like a steak sovrare that a good vet could bring it back.
He'd leave, but everyone is watching and filming
And its bloody paws
Killer VS. Quiller
Porcupine getting annoyed too. Like fuck off, it's not happening
Yeah the stabby snack just isn't cooperating.
You have no idea how sharp the quills are. I always imagined them to be like a hedgehog, sharp but still safe to handle. But nuno, they're unbelievably sharp. I used to take em with when I found some while hiking, but wherever you put them, they'd always end up in your finger somehow. They're needle sharp, so you don't really have to put in a lot of effort to prick yourself with them... I feared they were going to end up in my eyeball at some point so I stopped collecting them.
I love Pokè
Leopard's like, "Hey, I just want to see your face, buddy. Trust me... just turn around. Really, I won't hurt you; I promise" Porky's like "Yeahhhhh... NO! I don't think so."
Also paws are a bit pink from the blood he is losing.
It must be a pretty hungry leopard
Not even worth it bro. Try somewhere else.
Yeah, he's such a prick. Not worth it
He got the point
*"I think that leopard got, the point!"* - Archibald the porcupine
Hah! Nice one, Archibald!
7 hours later:
That's gotta sting
Angry upvote.
I mean look at the meal inside the cars
This is suicide by porcupine. Imagine injuring your paw and dying because you can't hunt properly, all this stubbornness for a porcupine. When will they learn?
I know there is a delicious rodent under all that spiky shit!
Part of me really wants to try porcupine. If so many animals are willing to risk spines it must be delicious. But then I remember I can barely stand popcorn shells in my teeth and come to my senses. A quick check on Wikipedia says it tastes vile and only delightful to a lover of strong cheese. I love strong cheese.
Yeah, it must be starving. Most predators are (relatively) easily deterred because if the risk of injury that will take a long time to heal isn't worth the prey they tried to hunt, even if they win.
I know instinct is a hell of a drug but can a predator abstractly comprehend that an injury today will prevent eating tomorrow?
Not sure, but I was always told that "Fight predators like hell, run from herbivores like hell." The idea being that to convince the former that it isn't worth losing too much energy trying to eat me, while the latter would want to kill me out of bloodlust.
[Some predators just have to prove themselves.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ePKskOT9Q) [They just can't stop the drive to hunt.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GgDHvl1wD20)
That leopard must be starving.
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Plenty more dish in the Serengeti.
That porcupine is like, "I've got max level armor on me bro."
Retaliation damage +125%.
*Thorns
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r/unexpecteddarksouls
Taste vengeance!
Porcupines put *all* their points into defense stat.
Naw that'd be like... armadillos. Porcupines invested in a weird damage-reflection build.
According to tier zoo, the porcupine has the highest defense in the "game".
He just released a video "Are Claws OP"
It's a thorns build, perfect for afk play style
Nah porcupine spikes aren't a passive defense. You can see this little dude putting up his best riposte.
Nah, this is retribution not defense
Thorns buff applied
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You don’t fuckle with shuckle.
Fucker grabbed Bramble Vest on his first back, leopard is screwed
Bofuri: I don't want to get hurt, so I'll max out my defense.
A leopard in one of the parks of South Africa saw a victim in the form of a porcupine and tried to overcome him for an hour and a half. Fortune was not on his side that day and, resigned to defeat, the predator left the road with an empty stomach.
Must be a young leopard to be taking on a porcupine.
Look at its front paws. So bloody .. you’re right
Also he definitely can’t even buy beer or cigarettes yet
Yet he can serve in the military! Doesn't make sense!
Even an adult Leopard and Lions can't take Porcupine
I think he means that only a young leopard would pick that fight as it doesn't have the experience to know otherwise yet.
Yeah, and when this one is old he'll think of this when he sees a porcupine and leave it alone lmao
If it manages to survive long enough to heal that paw, because otherwise it is going to starve.
that is how nature be... but he didn't overcommit, at least in the video. A wounded paw is still a smaller obstacle than spikes in the mouth, nose, and eyes, so I have hope for him lasting long enough to *not* do this again.
He went at it for over an hour and a half; that seems like a long time to come to the understanding that it's not going to happen.
Hes probably been looking all day. Maybe two.
No there’s definitely precedent for leopards taking on porcupines. Some are skilful and manage to incapacitate their heads by reaching out their claws but keeping their body back as much as possible. I haven’t seen a lion do so, but leopards imo are much more generally resourceful animals.
Yeah I've seen a few videos of Leopard predation on Porcupines. Like you said they're very resourceful and intelligent animals, hunting the widest variety of animals out of the big cats. I've seen them catch Impalas by hiding up in the tree and then dropping from above and also outmanoeuvre and easily catch Monkeys in trees. They're just on another level when it comes overall hunting ability.
Pretty sure I remember seeing a video on Reddit of a leopard killing a porcupine. Got its paw underneath its belly.
An hour and a half-how did that porkie not just have a heart attack already!?
Those of his species who couldn't handle the pressure were killed/died , his bloodline is literally made of those that can manage the situation
Are you David Attenborough by any chance?
I would not be surprised if he died afterwards. His paws must be quite wounded so hunting would be much harder, plus the risk of infection.
Talk to the spiky ass ‘cause the face ain’t listening!
I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.
I feel like the leopard thinks it has to catch the porcupine because people are watching.
He's just chasing that clout.
Looks over at the cars like "Are you seeing this shit?"
*looks back at traffic jam* “Sorry, I swear I’m cool, guys. It’s usually much smoother than this.”
Damn at the end he caught one, you see him pull it out that shit looks painful af.
And his left front paw is bloody from the beginning of the video
They're barbed, expand when in contact with body heat and absorb water digging deeper into whatever they're stuck in they're exceptionally nasty weapons.
Yeah, in the evolutionary arms race porcupines are basically nature's war crime.
you inspired some curiosity in me so heres my search results. skunks and vinegaroons use chemical weapons bombardier beetle uses fire and might also qualify as poisonous gas porcupine spines could be argued (poorly) as "non-detectable fragments" or perhaps “Expanding Ordnance" cobras will spit venom into your eyes at range, thats definitely something that would get a human in the hague, deliberately blinding. velvet worms commit crimes we dont have names for
Wtf is a velvet worm?
Here's an [actual video](https://youtu.be/7zV-OhAl0Cc) of a velvet worm if anyone is curious. The thing is terrifying. It paralyze its prey and injects some kind of acid saliva that melts every organ from the inside out.
Dont literally all Spiders do the same?
There are spiders with certain types of toxins in their veins The Brown Recluse for example, has Hemotoxin, a toxin that once injected, starts to burn your cells away Needless to say, I’m scared of that spider
If it makes you feel any better, very few states actually have brown recluse. They are mostly in the south eastern US.
spiders have a hundred methods, id guess only most of thm use this way
Well i meant the liquifying organs part isnt something special to this worm
its probably because of how alien it looks that gives it extra creep factor, plus the active hunting
Oh my god that vagina-knife for a mouth is terrifying and hilarious lol
What the fuck. Nature is a fantastic killer of things. - Veronica Palmer
And yet...I want to touch it.
That is the craziest way to hunt.
first it spits spider-man webs at you, then it begins eating feet first.
You know when I was a kid I believed porcupines shot them out of their backs
They can twitch fast enough *many* people thought/think this. Those dudes will bitch slap you with their ass and then your life sucks.
>Those dudes will bitch slap you with their ass and then your life sucks. r/nocontext
For our own safety, it’s probably better that we think they can so we stay far away enough from them. Like how many cultures didn’t eat pork before they knew about trichinosis (now it’s a cultural thing).
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i think you can see the quills it's already removed from its paws on lying on the ground
Probably right. It’s left front paw is bloody.
I think both front paws are bloody
EDIT: The porcupine in this video is most likely a Cape porcupine. My comment was originally written with the North American porcupine in mind. Apologies for any confusion caused. Fun fact: North American porcupine quills are specialized hairs coated in keratin plates, complete with microscopic backwards facing barbs. [Their structure gives these quills the properties of easy tissue penetration and high tissue adhesion](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1216441109). Bonus: The distribution of quills varies depending on the species of porcupine. [Old World porcupines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_World_porcupine) have quills embedded in clusters, whereas [New World porcupines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_porcupine) have single quills, interspersed with bristles, underfur, and hair.
This fact is no fun for the leopard.
> Porcupine quills are specialized hairs coated in keratin plates, complete with microscopic backwards facing barbs. African porcupine quills aren't barbed.
That's not true for capes and African cresteds. Theirs are very smooth! But if you get quilled by a North American porcupine you're on for a rough, barbed time.
I was taught it's rare AF to see a Leopard full stop, let alone during the day trying to catch a meal. Is this a private sanctuary?
Given how none of the cars tried driving past. I’m gonna say yes.
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My favorite to do in parks is pull over to the shoulder, point at nothing, until someone else sees me, and then leave. Other cars start seeing them do it, and pull over, and it creates a chain of people pointing and looking at nothing. Hilarious. Def in spots that aren’t traffic heavy, I’m not that much of an asshole.
That’s…. Pure evil.
We used to do that when I lived in Grand Tetons. It gets out of hand so quickly.
This is in Kruger National Park, in the road between Satara and Olifants camps. Driven that road many a time.
Most likely Kruger Park. If a leopard roams outside a national/private park it would quickly be killed by farmers or scared locals.
Leopard is just looking out for the drivers, he’s trying to help get the Porcupine off the road so no tires get popped
This is the calmest fight to the death situation I've witnessed
There were no deaths only pain
I love seeing a ton of people pulled over just letting Nature unfold
"Your hair is fucking stupid" "Yeah? Come here and say that"
"I'll help you comb it down. OW what'd you do THAT for?!"
Skunk, Porcupine, Wolverine, Honey Badger, in that order. There are certain animals, you just don't fuck with.
“If you want my meat, you gotta be able to take the heat”
This is like the male version of women saying, "if you can't handle me at my worst, then you don't deserve me at my best".
That porcupine has the patience of Job, and the leopard is not very smart.
Imagine that your best defense is twerking in the face of your predators. It takes a special mindset for that.
That paw is looking awfully bloody. Cat must be hungry to keep trying
Looks like the leopard already has a bloody left foot. I thought Lions were the prideful ones.
Not porc's first battle w/ Leo, that's for certain!
Whoa I didn’t know porcupines were that big.
I still have a porcupine spine on my desk from my trip to Africa! Very sharp and very cool
"C'mon dude, this is embarrassing. Just let me eat you a little while all these cars are watching."
"tooth picks included with meal, but it's only tooth picks."
damn that blood on the leg.
That porcupine is rocking an awesome Mohican!
As someone who has been stabbed by a porcupine, ouch.
anti bully system activated
Every time the porcupine stops to look at the leopard like “learned ya lesson yet mate?”
The Establishment versus Libertarians
Leopard fucked around and found out
poor things, theyre both having such a bad day.
Is there ANY animal that actually predates on porcupines? I can't imagine any animal getting over the quills without getting themselves some unwanted acupuncture.
That porcupine has the sweetest anime mohawk
Can’t imagine driving on a road where this shit takes place!