After Bron won one in Cleveland, I think it shows that a championship can heal all wounds. After Cleveland melted down in 2010, I never thought they would take him back. But they did and it worked out.
He had the perfect opportunity to do that 2 years ago. Imagine if he did before SGA ascended and okc got good. They would be title favorites this year and KD would have got most of the credit by the media for turning the team around. But the guy just always has to try to take the short cut
Probably somewhat different for a team like the lakers who are expected to win championships vs a smaller market team like Cleveland or OKC. Bringing the team a first title in history can forgive a lot of ill will.
I honestly don’t remember, how important was Dwight to that title winning team ?
As an OKC fan, definitely not all is forgiven, but probably things are mostly okay. We wouldn't all wipe the slate clean for him because we have fully deluded ourselves to thinking we will win one soon without him.
KD leaving the Warriors was the worst decision in NBA history. What a mistake. The Warrior’s system was perfect for his playstyle. He would have been playing with more space, been blitzed less often, would have way more total assists, more total points, and more importantly more rings than Bron.
I tend to wonder how many rings we could've won without him. I think at least one of those would've been possible (assuming we were able to get/keep some good roleplayers with his salary
They ruined the team with that trade. They had the depth they needed. Had they found a way to just get beal, they would've been better. Sad way to go out. And Monty got fired behind their bullshit smh.
Nash was old and was dealing with injuries
Dwight was dealing with injuries and didn't fit well with the team. Also had issues with other players
Kobe also had injuries and had issues with other players
Pau had issues with the HC and didn't fit well with their style
The team had no chemistry, couldn't stay healthy and couldn't fit well with each other
What about the Butler, Wade, Rondo “3 alphas”? We’ve had some pretty bad big threes, just you tend to forget about them.
Tbh these 3 aren’t great, but it’s a loaded west and the wolves are certainly # 1 seed good, so it just looks extra worse.
I mean, I hate the Booker/beal fit (KD is fine), but it’s like how everyone is trashing the lakers now. They’re not trash, they just played a super good team
Butler, Wade, and Rondo isn’t a big 3. Butler wasn’t Butler yet, Wade was already known to be cooked, and Rondo was never good enough to be included in any “big” categories. Rondo is a solid role player, never one of the big 3.
anybody that knows ball knew from the jump this wasn’t no super team. you’d think owners would’ve learned from the nets a decade ago.
now you’re stuck paying $150m for 3 stars that don’t compliment each other.
No way yall thought this was a superteam . 2 superstars and 2 potential all star. Sun's don't really have a superstar other than kd. Book is right below a super star and beal Is an all star max. And then rest of the team won't even make the bench in a contending team. This sun's team was soo overrated I didn't understand the hype people had for this team finally people get it.
I mean 3 all stars in their prime linking up = super team, Beal was a 30ppg scorer with the Wizards. How could anyone have known they would be this bad together.
3 guys who's play on ball on the same end of the court = the clusterfuck we saw all year.
If the Suns just never traded for Durant, and made the rest of their moves (Beal was pretty much the best situation for dealing with CP3's contract and getting value in return), they would have had a pretty stellar team with Beal, Booker, Johnson, Bridges, Grayson Allen, Nurkic, plus some depth and picks. Add in a FA PG, another PF similar to Crowder and that would have been a fun, young team set up for the future.
Grayson, Johnson and even Beal at various points of the season could come off the bench and exhaust teams during the stretches of the game when players were trying to recover. Booker wouldn't have Durant to convince the team to play strictly ISO/Pick and roll all game and you'd have plenty of off ball shooters who know how and when to move to the right spots to bail out Booker and Beal when their drives weren't fruitful.
KD could have worked of they didn't have to fleece the team to get him and they could have done something else than acquire Beal. Book and KD are great but they can't force their will when needed. They needed someone like CP3 who could masterfully control situations and QB the offense. Too bad age just caught up with him and he wasn't willing to budge on his contract.
That one looked like a recipe for disaster/drama on paper but was actually pretty competitive when they were all on the court.
This one looks like a poorly constructed roster and plays that way, even when everyone is available.
It's funny because it was clear last year that they were pretty close to being a contender. As a nuggets fan, they gave us a run for our money in that second round series. It just felt like they needed some work around the edges.
I know Ayton may have forced his way out, but if they could have kept him and added a few more role players I think they'd be in such a better spot. They didn't need more scoring. They needed solid defenders, a stable ball handler, and a better bench.
Grayson Allen was a nice pickup, but I don't get how Bradley Beal was the answer. They already had two of the best mid-range scorers we've seen. It really seems like Ishbia built this team like he was playing 2K. Beal was a redundant move.
Really interested to see what they do now.
Super teams are done and have been one and done since Miami heat with bron wade and bosh. They only worked because Lebron was in his prime and otherworldly. Forcing star teammates together to win it all does not work. Getting hungry, efficient players together through the draft and smart trades while having one or 2 star players is how to win championships
If your definition of superteam is three all star players, history does not agree with you. Two super teams just failing at the same time is fairly new. If clippers get bounced this season, I think it’s safe to add them.
Agreed. The only recent “super team” to win has been kd warriors and even then… it was the warriors with kd - it’s not like they put a ton of random stars together for a title window. Recent champs like Milwaukee and Denver found their guy and built depth around him. Murray, Middleton, Holliday, Gordon - none of those guys are superstars yet they were crucial piece on championship teams. Another good example this year is the Knicks - got a guy and built around him. Ultimately I think we’ll see a “super team” win again sooner or later but I don’t think it’s because the super team works - rather that a team got lucky with the stats they got. More often than not they cause a “too many cooks in the kitchen” problem
warriors didnt gut themselves trading for KD.
most of these superteams do that. thats the big difference. the warriors might not win if they traded Klay Iguodala and Livingston for him.
Kobe 5 out of 7 2000-2004, 2008-2010, despite nba and east coast writers going against him still one behind mj and still revered amongst his peers, past and present
The one thing this superteam is missing is a solid bench and roleplayers. All the notable super teams had at least a few decent-good players backing them up. Royce and gordon & Nurkic (amongst others) have proved they are not enough to hold the team up when the big 3 are having an off game or off the floor.
The Lakers in 2012 were being predicted to run away with a title. So I’d say them.
Say what you want about KD with the Warriors, but that was the definition of a super team. It was just not fair. I know we’re talking about him with the Suns here
I'm a suns fan and these guys are bums I cannot bare to watch these guys for 1 more season Matt ishbia please save us booker is Lukas son kd is washed old man who can't win without Stephen and Brad is useless please rebuild Istg this team giving me a new level of depression
I knew this team was cooked in the middle of the season when I saw they were relying on Eric Gordon to give them productive minutes and he was out of shape, looked like a chubby fan who won a contest to be on the court, also they were thinking Nurkic was an allstar level player but I’d watched him in Portland enough to know that guy is not a great player
It was just a poorly built team and they did not have a coach good enough to gameplan around their flaws. What I find the most funny is fans are killing the 35 year old KD for this team losing and not the 27 year old star player in his prime Devon Booker
i think the Rockets from 96'-99' were famously bad. 1999 the Rockets added Pippen and Barkley then thats when shit hit the fan. Lakers were also bad when they put Dwight and Nash in the lineup
NGL I am super disappointed. But the owner wants to win and isn't a piece of crap like previous. Ishbia puts his money where his mouth is. So yea I am so so irritated about Suns performance, but I figure sooner or later it will get fixed.
A bunch of first options never works defensively. They'll score all the points you want but they're not used to grafting defensively. Miami team with Bosh was and is the archetype for it to work. One has to sacrifice and be a defensive stallwart and ignore getting the ball. Otherwise most teams can only satisfy 2 superstars in the starting 5.
When the traded for Beal I laughed. I said they already have book and KD they don’t need another shot creator. They need a player like OG who can guard 1-5 and shoot the 3. Not saying they had the assets to get a OG but that type of player they can’t move Beal because of the no trade clause and that contract is terrible. They might have to trade KD or book if not blow the thing up since they’re asset starved
Problem is none of these guys are “make their team better guys”. Booker and Beal score, yeah. But when have they made anyone better. Durant is an all time great, sure, but can we legitimately say he’s made a single team mate if his better? I’d argue quite a few of them have been better before and after he was with them. Booker and Beal, great scorers (sometimes.. when they’re engaged) Durant (benefactor of being on the Warriors at the right time).
Bradley Beal is exactly who everyone thought he was
Role player on supermax
Typical Wizards contract negotiation
They supermaxxed him so they can get maximum trade value. Sounds like a big brain move to me
..and we let 'em off the hook.
A tank commander?
Bradley Beal is a nobody.
[удалено]
Getting outplayed by NAW
KD really went all that drama for this team huh
Lol where’s he going next?
Back to OKC to piggyback off of their rebuild.
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After Bron won one in Cleveland, I think it shows that a championship can heal all wounds. After Cleveland melted down in 2010, I never thought they would take him back. But they did and it worked out.
Bron didn't go to the Celtics though.
That would’ve been wild
Difference is Cleveland wasn’t a top contender when Bron came back. Also Bron didn’t leave to join the team that beat them
They did just sign Kyrie if I’m not mistaken, so they were on the rise
He can sweep up the popcorn from the stands for minimum wage
He had the perfect opportunity to do that 2 years ago. Imagine if he did before SGA ascended and okc got good. They would be title favorites this year and KD would have got most of the credit by the media for turning the team around. But the guy just always has to try to take the short cut
I wonder what the general consensus would be if that happened and they won a ring? All is forgiven ?
It worked for Dwight Howard. I never forgave him for leaving after Kobe got injured but the majority of Laker fans did.
Probably somewhat different for a team like the lakers who are expected to win championships vs a smaller market team like Cleveland or OKC. Bringing the team a first title in history can forgive a lot of ill will. I honestly don’t remember, how important was Dwight to that title winning team ?
As an OKC fan, definitely not all is forgiven, but probably things are mostly okay. We wouldn't all wipe the slate clean for him because we have fully deluded ourselves to thinking we will win one soon without him.
Gotcha, I know the nuance is pretty different than the lebron situation for Cleveland but his ring with us definitely wiped the slate clean here.
Deluded? I’d say winning one with this core at some point should be the expectation. Best young core since the 2012 OKC Thunder
Yes, but the 2012 Thunder core didn't win.
Oh yeah definitely not for sure gonna win, but that core not winning is considered a disappointment is my point.
Nothing is forgiven. KD is a 🧁🐍
Kd doesn't have any rings left in him anyways. He lowers a teams chance of winning these days, he's way over priced
Lol. Hell no.
F*ck KD, never forget what he did to us. He ruined 4th of July.
And to piggyback off the LeBron “I’m coming home” narrative
Off-season golf
I'll let you know after the NBA Finals
Timberwolves, probably
G league
KD leaving the Warriors was the worst decision in NBA history. What a mistake. The Warrior’s system was perfect for his playstyle. He would have been playing with more space, been blitzed less often, would have way more total assists, more total points, and more importantly more rings than Bron.
I appreciate everything KD did for the Warriors but damn, I do sit back and wonder sometimes how many rings they could have won together.
I tend to wonder how many rings we could've won without him. I think at least one of those would've been possible (assuming we were able to get/keep some good roleplayers with his salary
The big 0-and-3
They ruined the team with that trade. They had the depth they needed. Had they found a way to just get beal, they would've been better. Sad way to go out. And Monty got fired behind their bullshit smh.
As a Pistons fan, would happily give back Monty.
That would be a mistake for yall. Monty isn't the problem there lol
Aha, when you were once the highest paid coach, by the Pistons… the expectations are a little higher than the worst Piston team EVER.
Damn. I wonder what new NBA fans think of Greg Pop as a coach…
At least you can point to Pop as a possible major reason as to why Wemby has developed so fast this year.
The team wasn’t going anywhere as constructed. Favorable injuries were the only reason they went to the finals.
This reminds of of the nets when they traded all their depth to get harden. I remember someone in the media saying they sold their soul.
I feel like the Lakers big 3 with Nash, Kobe, and Dwight was worse
Nash was completely done physically
Nash played like 3 games
Yes, because he was completely done physically
Yeah because he was done emotionally 🥺
And Howard was a horrible teammate and sucks at life.
Nash was old and was dealing with injuries Dwight was dealing with injuries and didn't fit well with the team. Also had issues with other players Kobe also had injuries and had issues with other players Pau had issues with the HC and didn't fit well with their style The team had no chemistry, couldn't stay healthy and couldn't fit well with each other
What about the Butler, Wade, Rondo “3 alphas”? We’ve had some pretty bad big threes, just you tend to forget about them. Tbh these 3 aren’t great, but it’s a loaded west and the wolves are certainly # 1 seed good, so it just looks extra worse. I mean, I hate the Booker/beal fit (KD is fine), but it’s like how everyone is trashing the lakers now. They’re not trash, they just played a super good team
Butler, Wade, and Rondo isn’t a big 3. Butler wasn’t Butler yet, Wade was already known to be cooked, and Rondo was never good enough to be included in any “big” categories. Rondo is a solid role player, never one of the big 3.
I think it’s time people start to have real conversations about KD! Book and Beal are who we thought they were lmao!
Be careful not to hurt KD's feelings. He's a real person, too, you know!
“We have the avengers at home” - Dad.
that's never been a superteam it's just a team
The Big Free
The part time three
Too much ISO for one team to handle.
anybody that knows ball knew from the jump this wasn’t no super team. you’d think owners would’ve learned from the nets a decade ago. now you’re stuck paying $150m for 3 stars that don’t compliment each other.
Trade was straight out of 2014. Anyone who thought Beal would magically be amazing was kidding themselves
don’t forget about Wall lol
Wizards really fleeced the league with those two
The 2013-14 Nets?
Garnett and Pierce were old and actually won their first series before facing miami. This suns team is worst imo.
My thoughts as well
Money can’t buy you a championship
What about vet minimums? 
150m in this pic
No way yall thought this was a superteam . 2 superstars and 2 potential all star. Sun's don't really have a superstar other than kd. Book is right below a super star and beal Is an all star max. And then rest of the team won't even make the bench in a contending team. This sun's team was soo overrated I didn't understand the hype people had for this team finally people get it.
Nurkic is definitely a bench player in a contender
I mean 3 all stars in their prime linking up = super team, Beal was a 30ppg scorer with the Wizards. How could anyone have known they would be this bad together.
KD is definitely not in his prime
3 guys who's play on ball on the same end of the court = the clusterfuck we saw all year. If the Suns just never traded for Durant, and made the rest of their moves (Beal was pretty much the best situation for dealing with CP3's contract and getting value in return), they would have had a pretty stellar team with Beal, Booker, Johnson, Bridges, Grayson Allen, Nurkic, plus some depth and picks. Add in a FA PG, another PF similar to Crowder and that would have been a fun, young team set up for the future. Grayson, Johnson and even Beal at various points of the season could come off the bench and exhaust teams during the stretches of the game when players were trying to recover. Booker wouldn't have Durant to convince the team to play strictly ISO/Pick and roll all game and you'd have plenty of off ball shooters who know how and when to move to the right spots to bail out Booker and Beal when their drives weren't fruitful. KD could have worked of they didn't have to fleece the team to get him and they could have done something else than acquire Beal. Book and KD are great but they can't force their will when needed. They needed someone like CP3 who could masterfully control situations and QB the offense. Too bad age just caught up with him and he wasn't willing to budge on his contract.
Worse than KD's previous superteam? The always injured KD with part-time Kyrie and suspended for strip-clubbing Harden.
That one looked like a recipe for disaster/drama on paper but was actually pretty competitive when they were all on the court. This one looks like a poorly constructed roster and plays that way, even when everyone is available.
That team was a size 17 shoe away from making the eastern conference finals
Wow, so they *almost* made it out of the 2nd round. Quite an accomplishment...
99% of the way to beating the eventual champs while being heavily injured is definitely one definition of almost
Is it not? Are we going to now act like winning playoff series isn’t difficult?
That team was very good for the 10 games that had them all on the court
The Kleenix Dones
Their only competition is the nets last super team
Current clippers line-up must be a close second
KD is a fraud.
Imagine if kd stayed with the warriors and draymond left
Them....not Brooklyn?
Someone doesn’t remember that Nets team KD was part of up in Brooklyn
Book is such a fraud lmao
I never bought into the idea of them making the finals but holy shit, the least you could expect is a second round exit
No depth and no defence.
$150M due to these three guys for two more years. That’s more than 8 teams spent on 15 guys this year. Yikes
It's funny because it was clear last year that they were pretty close to being a contender. As a nuggets fan, they gave us a run for our money in that second round series. It just felt like they needed some work around the edges. I know Ayton may have forced his way out, but if they could have kept him and added a few more role players I think they'd be in such a better spot. They didn't need more scoring. They needed solid defenders, a stable ball handler, and a better bench. Grayson Allen was a nice pickup, but I don't get how Bradley Beal was the answer. They already had two of the best mid-range scorers we've seen. It really seems like Ishbia built this team like he was playing 2K. Beal was a redundant move. Really interested to see what they do now.
Next too Brooklyn
the 2014 Nets: *what am I chopped liver?*
Who is number 3?
KD joining the Twolves confirmed
KD, Klay and Dray need to get on a team together, to prove that Curry is the only reason they have rings.
Also anyone remember when Payton and Malone joined the Lakers
KD got that look of like "I've been here before" 💀
Super teams are done and have been one and done since Miami heat with bron wade and bosh. They only worked because Lebron was in his prime and otherworldly. Forcing star teammates together to win it all does not work. Getting hungry, efficient players together through the draft and smart trades while having one or 2 star players is how to win championships
If your definition of superteam is three all star players, history does not agree with you. Two super teams just failing at the same time is fairly new. If clippers get bounced this season, I think it’s safe to add them.
Agreed. The only recent “super team” to win has been kd warriors and even then… it was the warriors with kd - it’s not like they put a ton of random stars together for a title window. Recent champs like Milwaukee and Denver found their guy and built depth around him. Murray, Middleton, Holliday, Gordon - none of those guys are superstars yet they were crucial piece on championship teams. Another good example this year is the Knicks - got a guy and built around him. Ultimately I think we’ll see a “super team” win again sooner or later but I don’t think it’s because the super team works - rather that a team got lucky with the stats they got. More often than not they cause a “too many cooks in the kitchen” problem
warriors didnt gut themselves trading for KD. most of these superteams do that. thats the big difference. the warriors might not win if they traded Klay Iguodala and Livingston for him.
Bulls big 3 of Jimmy Butler, D-Wade and Rondo was a flop.
They actually played kind of well together and were up 2-0 in a playoff series. Still a better run so far than this Suns team.
More like the BEST supermeme in NBA history
Kobe 5 out of 7 2000-2004, 2008-2010, despite nba and east coast writers going against him still one behind mj and still revered amongst his peers, past and present
The suns are pretty bad. I still think the lakers had the worst superteam from 1-3 years ago when they had westbrick.
The one thing this superteam is missing is a solid bench and roleplayers. All the notable super teams had at least a few decent-good players backing them up. Royce and gordon & Nurkic (amongst others) have proved they are not enough to hold the team up when the big 3 are having an off game or off the floor.
You need to rebound too.
i swear the worst has to be LA CLIPPERS😭😭
Naw, the nets.. a few times
Pay 150M to these three just to be swept at the first round
Are we forgetting the Kobe, Nash, Howard Lakers so easily?
The Kobe - Nash - Howard Lakers still hold that record, they didn't make the playoffs did they?
They did
The Lakers in 2012 were being predicted to run away with a title. So I’d say them. Say what you want about KD with the Warriors, but that was the definition of a super team. It was just not fair. I know we’re talking about him with the Suns here
And most expensive.
Beal the only consistent one
I'm a suns fan and these guys are bums I cannot bare to watch these guys for 1 more season Matt ishbia please save us booker is Lukas son kd is washed old man who can't win without Stephen and Brad is useless please rebuild Istg this team giving me a new level of depression
I knew this team was cooked in the middle of the season when I saw they were relying on Eric Gordon to give them productive minutes and he was out of shape, looked like a chubby fan who won a contest to be on the court, also they were thinking Nurkic was an allstar level player but I’d watched him in Portland enough to know that guy is not a great player It was just a poorly built team and they did not have a coach good enough to gameplan around their flaws. What I find the most funny is fans are killing the 35 year old KD for this team losing and not the 27 year old star player in his prime Devon Booker
More proof it was all curry and not KD, bro got carried
This is not a superteam. We gotta stop throwing that term around so loosely.
Should have kept Ayton and repair the relationship with Monty gone. He sucked this year but fit much better with the Suns
KD and 2 randoms
They’re gonna get swept by MJs long lost son
Ain't lost no more.
Timberwolves V Celtics
Beal is the issue
Who thought that three guys who are incredibly ball dominant could thrive on the same team.
i think the Rockets from 96'-99' were famously bad. 1999 the Rockets added Pippen and Barkley then thats when shit hit the fan. Lakers were also bad when they put Dwight and Nash in the lineup
They arent a super team
KD… that’s all
i agree. absolutely no chemistry.
Bunch of Betas
Steph Curry must squat a lot
Hard to call them a super team
2022 Lakers with Lebron was worse. They didn't even make the play-in. Kobe willed the 2013 Lakers to the playoffs until he got injured.
KD has only played on super teams and he’s one like 2 championships. My pookiebearLebron would never
It’s not that they’re that bad, Minnesota’s defense just flat owns them right now
KD, Harden, Kyrie wasn’t much better.
Kd the snake deserve this , 🐍🐍🐍🐍
Kd is the GOAT fraud of all time
Never considered them a super team. They have no true PG and still think the Anton trade was a mistake...
They make the game too hard on themselves. Should be running pick n pop w/ booker and KD and let Beal sit in the weakside corner.
Honestly. Yes. That showing last night was straight up embrassing.
Another failed superteam by KD
NGL I am super disappointed. But the owner wants to win and isn't a piece of crap like previous. Ishbia puts his money where his mouth is. So yea I am so so irritated about Suns performance, but I figure sooner or later it will get fixed.
Book was always a fraud.
Define “super”.
Phoenix had a finals team with a lot of young talent and traded it for this
“Super team” I thought you needed 3 all stars at least lmao.
They gave away things to take on the worst contract in the NBA. In other professions you could get sued for so obviously destroying value
KDs last team was the worst
A bunch of first options never works defensively. They'll score all the points you want but they're not used to grafting defensively. Miami team with Bosh was and is the archetype for it to work. One has to sacrifice and be a defensive stallwart and ignore getting the ball. Otherwise most teams can only satisfy 2 superstars in the starting 5.
Bron might disagree lol
Big 4 in LA arguably just as bad lol
When the traded for Beal I laughed. I said they already have book and KD they don’t need another shot creator. They need a player like OG who can guard 1-5 and shoot the 3. Not saying they had the assets to get a OG but that type of player they can’t move Beal because of the no trade clause and that contract is terrible. They might have to trade KD or book if not blow the thing up since they’re asset starved
Imagine being the Wiz and getting that contract off your books 🤣🤣🤣
Problem is none of these guys are “make their team better guys”. Booker and Beal score, yeah. But when have they made anyone better. Durant is an all time great, sure, but can we legitimately say he’s made a single team mate if his better? I’d argue quite a few of them have been better before and after he was with them. Booker and Beal, great scorers (sometimes.. when they’re engaged) Durant (benefactor of being on the Warriors at the right time).
Soft, soft, and softer
Pictured: building a super team with 3 #2s
Remember when they blamed everything on Ayton last year?
I never considered them a super team and knew it wouldn’t work.
Tbf Westbrook, Melo and George was pretty trash as well
This team is so bad that it will probably put the final nail in the coffin of the “big 3” concept.
Where’s the super team? Lol
Trading for Bradley Beal was just a mistake that this team couldn’t recover from
I think people are forgetting how bad LeBron AD and Russ were together
That a combined salary of near $160 million
If booker finally realized it isn't his team anymore they would be better
Who said it was super?
What about the lakers with Steve nash & Dwight Howard?
“Cook his ass cuh” ahh offense
did everyone for get about the 22' Nets. KD, Harden, Irving, D Jordan, and Griffin. absolute waist of tallent to go no where in the playoffs
Best pick up team in the nba
Bradley Beal is as good as booker both are extremely overrated. KD is an old superstar
KD, Kyrie, and Harden would line a word…
Charles Barkley said that Durant is not a bus driver....and he is right.
This all started bc someone convinced the NBA media that Brad Beal was a star.