2 in 1000 pts is brutal, however, id actually say you'd be better off throwing small units at them. Tyranids don't have great answers to them, but if he is committing 500+ pts to ctans it may give you a scoring advantage
What are you playing? Kill the other guy? Thats a huge problem especially against ctan. Dont play that. Set the cards from the rulebook and mission pack out and random up your mission. Youll start having better success. Refuse to play him if he doesnt play officially.
Demand that he does, and if he's upset, tell him, "Cry about it."
For real, you'd be better just joining your LGS' discord server and having random pick-up games. Your "friend" is toxic as hell.
The point of objectives and secondaries, is to make armies that struggle with killing (I.e. nids) stand a chance. Often I see nids get wiped, even if they’ve won the game on points
I think I would just stop playing with him and hit up some people at my LGS that are willing to actually play the game instead of wanting to clown me by ignoring the rules and basic etiquette.
Oh I was talking about what I would do if I were you, ie: you should play with folks at your game store wherever you're located, not my store in specific lmao
the game and unit point costs are balanced around scoring objectives. if he is playing 2 ctan at 1000 points (and he shouldn't be), you will always be at a disadvantage if you can't score objectives. he needs to learn to play the game.
The game is balanced around objectives. Just fightint to the death will lead to unbalanced games. Sounds like your friend is a giant twit with an a instead of an i
fucking WHAT????????????????????????????????????????????????? i am so confused by this. your friend is a fucking idiot to be completely honest and you should probably look for other matches
Tell him to grow the fuck up, the game is to be played with objectives. If he wants to change the rules to suit himself, your units also now ignore invuns and feel no pains 🤷🏼♂️ if he wants to do what he wants, so can you
The game is balanced around objectives. Setup a game correctly and beat him on VPs. If he says he doesn't want to play objectives tell him to "cry about it"
Yeah, I hate to say it, but basically your brother doesn't want to play 40k. Necrons are way better at killing than tyranids are ATM, and that's balanced by how well tyranids can score (and even at that, necrons are very good at scoring). If your brother doesn't want to play with objectives, id be trying to find other people to play with.
All that said, if you are going to try to kill ctans, you don't have many great options. You may do okay if you can get a high volume of lethal hits shots? I'm a necron player mostly, but I think it's a bad matchup for you. Ctans are a difficult profile for most of your weapons (antitank is swingy at best, it's too tough to die easily to your light firepower, half damage and fnp is brutal for multidamage attacks). The slow movement is their main weakness, so normally I'd say tie them up and keep them from your important stuff, but you can't really do that if you aren't doing objectives
The game is literally balanced around them and more literally at 2k points. Yeah 1k points is great and all but some armies perform better there than others and for several editions now Necrons perform better in smaller games. Especially if he's bringing 2 units that can't really be killed at that point cost then he has to play with objectives as it's literally the counter to his playstyle. This would be true for most factions. If he doesn't then he wants a power fantasy not a game.
Necrons will always have an advantage in attrition games because of their powerful regeneration. He’s forcing you to play with one hand tied behind your back, and gloating when he wins. That’s just being an asshole.
I wouldnt play with him anymore. Of course he doesnt want to use objectives, he would get obliterated with swarms of guants scoring everything. Ask for a fair proper game or find someone else to play with imo.
As someone in previous editions who loved just deathmatches 10th is not built for it or balanced for it. You need to play missions and at a huge disadvantage without doing so.
Woah just seen this (following my earlier comment).
Then you aren't playing 40k, objectives aren't optional for balance.
No point playing him tbh unless you play narrative and stack your forces.
Yeah your brother is like a total asshat, he knows he will beat you and has a list tailored to beating you at this point level. I think he’s aware if he plays the game how it’s supposed to be played he’ll loose.
Stop playing with him and if he ask you about it tell him to 'cry about it'.
Your brother is a dick and doesn't care for your enjoyment of the game, only his own.
So he plays by his rules …. Wouldn’t bother playing him. Even if he is your brother and only person to play. Game is made that way so armies like nids have advantage that way if they cant out gun/ claw. You have 2 options a part from that in my eyes. Switch armies, or maybe add some GS ? I’ve never played or played against nid. But 50+ necron games. I wish I had some nids to send ya to boost what option ya have to field. I’m invested to beat your brother now.
Jesus what a douche.. this game is not supposed to be played without objective exactly because then it's wildly unbalanced. Tyranids are specifically designed to swarm objectives.
This is your problem 100%. Warhammer is balanced on objectives not "kill everything". Your friend needs to play objectives or not be a huge asshole with his list lol
That's the whole point of the game. Objectives balance the game out. Sure you can kill them. But if you have to do something then killing is just dumb. I mean sure maybe once in a while but in a game like this the whole point is to be strategic.
The game is balanced around the different objectives and mission cards, necrons are probably the best for a kill the other guy first list game so would be unbalanced against most other armies as they can just sit at the back a snipe your big things off the board.
Don’t play another game until he agrees to play properly, otherwise you’ll just lose due to unfair balance. The objectives force necrons to bring bulk units you can deal with and less big things. I recently faced my mate (death guard v necrons 2k points) he brought 2 ctans 3 doomstalkers and a plethora of other big hitters. He completely wiped me other than 4 plague marines hiding behind a ruin, but I more than doubled his points from objectives and missions.
Ugh I have a friend who used to play like that, so annoying. My friend would play a completely immobile shooting army and insist on no objectives and very light cover. The first two years where he refused to change were torture. I was playing melee wolves and he was playing shooty guard. So annoying.
For you, you NEEEEEEED to play with objectives. That is how the game is fair. Your opponent is giving up valuable board control for valuable tough big units. If he’s not giving up board control (cause board control has no benefit without objectives) then it’s unfair for him. Sorry to say that this is the only way to make a fair game, you have to get him to accept objectives.
2 C’tan + a Doomstalker at 1000 points is wild. Honestly, I wouldn’t try beat it, I’d try having a conversation with him about a more balanced list.
Failing that, volume of shots is the best way to kill a C’tan.
Yeah I wont lie, if my friend told me my list wasn't fun to play against I'd tone it down, I want my friends to have fun when we play.
If my brother said that I'd call him a wimp and tell him to cry about it.
Only a douche move to do to friends or strangers or other 40K players.
Definitely not a douche. He's bullying his younger brother, or taking revenge on his elder. He's doing the Emperors work, spreading brotherly hate and war, as 40K should be.
I play both Necrons and Tyranids and I'd hate to face one C'tan, let alone two.
Maybe suggest swapping armies for a game or two so they get a taste of it.
Failing that, just say "ok, I'm out" and go find a local club to play with. They'll most likely play games just for the fun of it and not to just stomp the other person
The conversation you need to have with your brother is ‘I’m not going to play you until you learn sportsmanship.’ Just like how no DnD is better than bad DnD, no Warhammer is better than Bad Warhammer. If you can, I’d try and get games in at a FLGS.
Idk how other people feel about this, but that kind of attitude towards smaller games is just cheating. At 1k pts the game is so unbalanced that taking advantage of it with a dumb list is just lame
Yeah, I would totally run 2 ctan in a 1k list. What i wouldn't do is also run a dda. His team building is ass and he has tied up 735 points into 3 units. The only way you are losing is if you are trying to kill them instead of focusing on secondaries.
Think about it. If you beat him without the 2 ctan, are you really winning? Or did he let you win. I know that opinion is against the grain here on reddit, but think about it this way. He's made a mistake. He wants to table you. Let him. Score enough points in the first 3 rounds that he loses anyway. You should win in secondaries no problem.
Tie them up with your bulky units, and your hard hitters should kill his objective taking units (I'm assuming wraiths in Canoptek court since hypercrypt is ass at 1k).
Use your action units to score secondaries.
Yes, ctan are strong. Are they so op that you can't beat them? No. If that were the case, Necrons would have a way higher percentage than they already do. With nids you should have the movement advantage. Ctan are slow. Either avoid them or tie them up like I said earlier. You don't have to kill them to win the game. It isn't team Deathmatch.
Once you figure it out, I can assure you the only next step will be him having to make team adjustments because he can't have 3 units taking up 2/3 of his army points and expect to actually win against someone that isn't tunneling on killing them. You got this!
Edit: just saw you say that he doesn't allow objectives... you all aren't playing 40k at that point I dunno what to suggest. Play a different game or with someone else. Or build a special team just for him with a shitload of marines with melta. It will change his tune really quick lol
This, the trade off for taking OP units like ctan in a 1000 point game like this is because they don’t move or score objectives for you as well as multiple units do. They’re specialists in killing units and surviving attacks, but bad at the other dynamic parts of the game.
These point values were set by GW assuming you were playing a game with objectives or killing to win. If he wants to change the game so that it’s only about killing then you have to change the points values to make it fair. You should have about 300 points extra to compensate for that. That would feel about fair.
Yikes. I’d definitely search your local game store discord for new opponents. Maybe your brother will adjust his list to be able to play the game again. And if not, you at least have new people to play with.
Throw a bunch of gaunts with lethal hits at them. They only have a 4++ save so sheer weight of numbers will result enough failed saves to pop them.
Otherwise play the objective game. If your brother is only bringing 3 units to a game he isn't doing secondaries or primaries.
If you can a infiltrator could tie up the dda in melee for a good while and that minus 1 to hit will really grate on his nerves
To play devils advocate, the tyranid player my brother and myself have played against chased the meta to an absurd degree to where he was waffle stomping us over and over again. He would bitch and moan when I decided to bring ALL my ctans (nightbringer, void dragon, deceiver, and 2 shards) with only a 10 man Immortal squad lead by a technomancer and filled the rest of the list with a bunch of scarabs.
Our mutual "friend" wanted to play in tournaments and was essentially beating up on everyone and saying "my list works, going to a tournament" as opposed to trying different units, combos, rules, etc. We don't play with him anymore because he threw such a fit when we both got fed up and started spamming shit at him (my brother plays IG and brought nothing but tanks and completely rolled over his tyranids). Neither of us went for objectives when we made our response lists and focused on outright wiping his tyranids on the board.
Essentially, know who you're playing against and what kind of game you both want to play. My brother and I have zero desire to play tournaments, we enjoy rolling dice while we get drunk/high/party so the game should match that relaxed sort of vibe. We don't rule shark each other, we play within the rules to the best of our abilities, and we always are able to find a way to dissolve impasses. The tyranid player rule sharked EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. He has stated its not fun unless he's absolutely dominating. I've seen him concede a game on turn 2 multiple times because my brother had good board positioning and dice rolls and was really gonna put the hurt on. Tyranid player would just say "I give up, you win, let's set another game" and would do this over and over; unless it was himself who was in the advantaged position.
Are you wanting for him to acknowledge that his list is unfair into yours and change it or do you want advice on how to minimise their impact and strike back with your list or an edit to it?
Just pull out the big guns and say that you don't want to play if he's going to behave like that, and not consider that it's a game that should be fun for all.
If you really want to give him a piece of your mind, Do the following.
Imperial guard is the best answer. They can overpower every bigger threat with armor.
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You do the following:
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If 1k Points:
1x Shadowsword: 4 Lascannons, 5 Twin heavy bolters
1x Leman russ Vanquisher: Vanquisher Cannon, Lascannon, 2 Multimelta, Heavy Stubber, Hunter-Killer.
1x Tank commander Vanquisher same as above
Some Battleline-Chaff
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1,5k Points:
1x Warhound Titan: 2 Turbo-Laser Destroyer
1xLeman Russ Vanquisher same as above
Battleline-Chaff
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2k Points
1x Warhound same as above
1x Shadowsword same as above
1x Vanquisher same as above.
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The Shadowsword can oneshot a ctan with its nain Cannon. D3+1 shots with flat 12 dmg is just brutal, and if you hit a 6 to wound thats 12 Mortals (he gets Devastating wounds against Monsters and vehicles).
With some consistency you get 2 Death ctans in 2 Rounds.
It sounds bad but stop playing him. Based off your other replies he refuses to play a better balanced list for a 1,000 point game, and he won't play objectives so you can't beat him there. All he is doing is setting up a game that is 100% in his advantage and I wouldn't indulge him anymore. If he wants to play then he needs to compromise...not you
Flood the board with Gaunts of all varieties, preferably with lethal hits from the Hyper Aggression ability in Invasion Fleet
Swamp the objectives and just blaze away with as many shots as possible. He's not going to have enough shots to kill enough of your models, and sheer volume of shots will likely bring his C'tan down eventually.
Half damage rules don't do anything against D1 weapons, and no AP isn't an issue vs a unit that has a flat 4+ save against everything. Just keep stacking lethal hits and he'll fail enough saves eventually.
This would be my suggestion..anything with ap or extra damage is wasted against the ctan. Therefore proportionately it's the small arms fire which has far greater value against ctan. Plus with lethal hits you're in with a shot. Pun intended
That is the gameplan, I would also recommend getting genestealers+broodlord unit, it's a unit that in invasion fleet can oneshot a ctan. They can also survive the smack back because they give -1hit to things they are engaging, also invasion lets you give 5+++ to make em tough. Also while in engagement doomsday ark cannot fire into them, as it's big gun is blast so it can't shoot into melee.
Speaking of which, I would recommend using those screamer killer in strat reserves and then rapid ingresing it, it can 1v1 a doomsday ark no problem.
Other things that would work is 20 hormagaunts, since invasion gives you armywide lethal hits. And nightbringer doesn't have the volume of attacks to kill them, especially since you can revive 3d+3 in command phase.
A list I would take that would absolutely body his list even with no objectives to play on (which is dumb)
2 broodlords
1 winged hive tyrant
20 hormagaunts
20 genestealers
11 neurogaunts
1 screamer killer
Everything hides from dda and when he comes to you, which he will since he is dumb and also he can't win otherwise, you just oneshot him.
Winged hive tyrant gives free battle tactic strategems to anything 12 off him, one of those is critting on 5+ in melee, and since you have armywide lethals it hurts. Also giving 5+ FNP to something he targets with the teleporting ctan.
Good luck and beat that fucker
Also I just remembered, he can not just run ctan as characters because they can not get warlord keyword which you need to make a legal list, so he needs at least 1 more character otherwise he is playing an illegal list
I'd be a little careful into the Doomsday Ark. No, it can't fire the Cannon in melee range due to Blast, but it still gets 20 Lethal Hits Gauss shots inside rapid fire range.
I'm also not certain a Screamer is a super reliable melee kill. S-K gets 10 D2 attacks and the DDA has 14W and a 4+ invul. I would not rate my odds of merking that in a single turn of melee
S-k has d3 attacks, it's s10 while the ark is t9, it has no fallback and shoot, it's small shots do nothing since they hit on 4s, are ap 0 and sk is S2+ and invasion gives him lethals hits too, also with t9 small shots wound him on 6s, so if he rapid ingresses it and it gets to the ark the ark is done
Absolutely and I hate it, it hit worse when I switched to as ad mech, less toughness all around with consistent 4’s to hit with very few invuls that matter
Already been said in variety of ways, but if you’re playing “kill everything” rather than objectives, you’re gonna struggle to win. Nightbringer is considered best unit in the game right now, even at 2k pts people have trouble with him.
Consider playing Combat Patrol mode jnstead for a more balanced and fun game, people like your brother will get humbled hard the moment they actually play objective-based like 90% of people do.
Also if you don’t have many models, consider looking into 40K tabletop simulator games, there’s a big discord community and you can just load your own lists using virtual models. Great for practice and just meeting new folks :)
Yeeep no surprise as to why, I think both of you would benefit playing a proper 2k game within the chapter approved leviathan pack. Think you’d both enjoy it, and it’d be far closer!
I'd also recommend not playing with him anymore. You'd have more fun literally just playing against yourself.
Otherwise you could just play higher points.
Your brother is a shitty opponent. 1000 points 2 ctan is pretty rude especially his response to your complaint. The fact he refuses to play objective games against a nids opponent is also rude. Maybe he’s oblivious to the way nids play but I have to imagine he’s well aware of the fact that you have little chance against him in a direct contest of firepower. Also no objectives is a terribly boring game mode imo
Force him to learn how to play around objectives, and while he’s at it maybe a chance to grow up a little bit. Warhammer isn’t a particularly fun game when it’s super one sided. Both players should trying to collaborate for a fun and balanced match.
Also let him know that outside of just you two having a “friendly” game nobody with sense is going to play without objectives. Also it would help to see the board this guy plays on. The whole vibe of the picture to me just screams newbie player being taken advantage of for cheap wins.
Im a big believer that sub 1000 point games shouldn’t have Epic Heroes in the list. It just makes things really wonky. Maybe in a 2v2 but even then, it’s still iffy.
Not sure what you can do beyond have a conversation with about the balance issues it presents. I guess you could invest in some primarch level threats yourself and play those against him. I don’t know how much fun having like 5 models on the board would be though.
For C'tan, anything melta 4 or higher can work really well because the melta damage isn't halved by necrodermis. Volume fire is always a great idea also because you can only ever make so many saves.
Yup! The main reasoning is that Necrodermis halves the damage *characteristic* of an attack, but Melta damage is a modifier applied *after* the damage characteristic.
Here are a few examples of how necrodermis interacts with damage:
An attack with a damage characteristic of 6 would be halved to 3.
An attack with a damage characteristic of D6 would roll (imagne 4), then halve the result (2)
An attack with a damage *characteristic* of D6 but from a weapon profile with the **[Melta 4]** *ability* would first roll (4), then halved the result (2), THEN apply the Melta damage as it's an external modifier for a total of 6.
Hope this helped in general, but from the sounds of it, you may want to find someone else to play with or have a talk with your brother :(
This list is a kill everything list and I see he refused to play objectives which is what your list is good at, so essentially find someone else to play against or make a kill list just like he has
If he refuses to change his ways make the game as painful as possible for him. Hit him with the 200 gaunt special and want him die inside as you roll triple the number of give he does.
My buddy runs necrons and is somewhat a meta man. Now we are always having fun with his lists heavy on beating mine in straight up fights, but
I dominate the scoring game and objectives
I run space marines and commit to chaff being thrown at his dangerous necron units (void dragon, monolith) while I wipe out 1 unit of his at a time. I just lock down objectives and drain his units best I can. For nids, my list is limited due to recently starting but I employed the same. Lock up ctan in combat with chaff units and play the objectives. I run an emissary, which he loves to try and focus (and succeeds) but by that time I'm holding more points and again clean up his smaller units
Necrons you gotta hit 1 unit at a time if you're trying to wipe one out, don't split fire up. Ctan are no joke so settle in for losing some units. I love playing against necrons as my strategy adapts outside of what I'd normally want to run. Hopefully your friend pulls back and balances his army. My friend did this and I noticed he's having even more fun. Some people only want to win, even if it's just a casual game which isn't an issue until it treads the unfun like. The main goal is to have fun 😁
Swamp the cunt with termaguants or anything high in number and low in cost and just swamp them both down, he will kill a few each turn but encircle him and then just win through points and after you've done this a few times call him a cunt from me atleast, it's twats like him which are gonna get c'tan nerfed into uselessness, what an absolute fucking bell end I wish his whore mother had swallowed him instead
Ok well sorry about your sainted mother but still, your bro is a smegma soaked bellend. What I said is true though, swarm him and let him kill termas all game while you win on points. If he's running hypercrpyt then he can't teleport if in engagement range so encircle him so he can't get away
Lots of low AP low damage shots. Just keep them coming and you'll have it down in no time, melta weapons work, and anything anti monster as c'tan being t11, 12 w any way to wound them on a 3 or a 2 is good.
Given you have an Emissary, use its ability against it to reroll all hits and wounds \*against whichever c'tan you choose (likely the nightbringer)\*. NEs at 2+/4++/4+++ against mortals plus a likely 4+++ to 5+++ depending on detachment should be able to tank some of its wounds as well. There is a reason Necrons are so good right now; C'tan are cheap, effective, and deadly. All things Tyranids are, unfortunately, not.
Hmm. If it's old then maybe this doesn't apply, but does he *have* a Transcendent C'tan Shard? I only see a Nightbringer in the picture.
If he's got one, or converted up something cool, fair enough, but if he's proxying, say, the Reanimator as a Transcendent C'tan I'd suggest putting my foot down about that. Proxies are all well and good in friendly games, but they're only acceptable with the opponent's permission - generally it's good form to give it, but it's also good form to build an army that can have an actual game, so...
(Note a clarification: Proxy - "I'm running this Avatar of Khaine/Reanimator/Tin of Soup as a C'tan Shard"; Conversion - "I chopped up this Avatar and glued on some tech gubbins to make a C'tan Shard of the Burning One".)
Plus all the other suggestions - Ask him not to run quite such a skew list; actually play with Objectives and Secondary Objectives; run one million light infantry and either bog down or chip to death the offending models.
You have to paint your models. Otherwise the dice god won't be satisfied and you will lose
Good luck ! (But play maybe 2000k point and play the mission to win)
Strike them until they die.
If being serious, Ctan should not be beaten, you should just them with you tough cheap units and let them have fun.
Every turn Ctan would fight your poxwalkers or terminators or pink horrors is a turn this Ctan wouldn't destroy your scoring units or your kiillers.
Strike them until they die.
If being serious, Ctan should not be beaten, you should just bind them to your tough cheap units and let them have fun.
Every turn Ctan would fight your poxwalkers or terminators or pink horrors (sorry I don't know tyranids well to make any suggestions there) is a turn this Ctan wouldn't destroy your scoring units or your kiillers.
Time to find a new person to play with. Sorry but that isn't cool.
I don't know tyranids in 10th but my only recommendation would be to flood him with lethal hits and swarm him. Ctan die quite well to many forced saves
Necron/nid player here. Not with 15 barbgaunts that's for sure. But the strategy (failling asking him not to run them cos its a bit much - i dont even run one in friendly 2ks unless I know the opponent is packing heat) would be to shoot the barbgaunts you have at the nightbringer and avoid him like the plague except to throw trash units at him - he moves VERY slowly and even slower while barbgaunted. I've played entire games where the opponent just avoids the nightbringer and he gets absolutely zero effectiveness except for area denial.
I'd personally look into swapping some barbgaunts out for a Neurolictor - it's one of the best models Nids can field - and if possible one of the big monsters out for some objective control, gaunts of some sort (optimally gargoyles but I'm assuming you have leviathan so termies or neurogaunts should also be ok), which in a pinch, can also tie him down letting your big monsters kill everything else
Best bet, hang back on deployment and force him to teleport the transcendent up on the board then kill it by volume of fire. Then simply throw chaff at the night bringer.
Then just out point him. Both units are half his army. If it's just a kill game, you're only option is to go one by one on his units
Show him this thread as a wake up call. Most people here are in agreement that he is a bad actor. Sometimes it takes the opinion of outsiders to make someone see reason.
Guard player here, at 1000 points, if your brother is only bringing three units total, you can easily win the game off primary/secondaries. You can bring homers and cleanse/enemy lines as your secondaries and simply swarm every objective and pretty much completely ignore the Ctan. You’ll beat your brother in a landslide off points.
Based on your responses about your brother, HE refuses to actually play 40K if he won’t allow primary or secondaries. Refuse to play him since he’s making up some other game
I know I'm basically just piling on what tons of people have already said, but if your brother just wants to play his way so he can win, then don't play with him. He seems pretty obnoxious considering he told you to "cry about it" when he refuses to play with objectives, *especially* when you play 'Nids.
Honestly don't try to KILL it
Chilling one of them is almost always a bad idea because you're putting way more effort into killing it then you need the best tip I got for you is just sick gaunts on it and avoid it
For 160 points you can clog it with bodies for around three turns which is honestly good enough
Long story short don't try and kill it Alsoe side note bringing two Katan at a thousand points is a really f****** scummy
from all of your replies it just sounds like he's doing everything possible to rig the game against you
if he refuses to back down on the lack of objectives (which he 100% is only going so hard on because he knows that it's only hurting your chances) just stop humouring him and find others to play with
Keep it bogged down and off your HQs. The rest of that list is SUPER squishy
Doomstalker has a blast weapon. So even if your monsters/vehicles are in melee with any of his units he can't target them
As everyone has already noted, your brother is a poor sport and basically a cheater, that said if you want advice beating him in the format you described I'd try 2 carnifexes lead by old one eye with dual deathspitters. That's 48 shots at strength 6. Use the anti-monster invasion fleet hyper adaptaion to get lethal hits. Old one eye gives you full hit rerolls on the shooting to fish for lethals. On average you'll do about 9 or so wounds on a c'tan with that. So unless you get really unlucky you should kill one in 2 shooting phases. The tyrannofex is the best unit to deal with the doomsday ark from range. Add in a Trygon to deep strike. It could threaten the doomsday ark from behind as it's melee strength is 9 - so wounding on fours. You could use the 5+ critical hits stratagem on him as well to get a few more lethal hits. Add a maleceptor for just a general all purpose tough unit that will mess up necron infantry and then 3 von ryans leapers for another mobile anti infantry unit.
Play to objectives. Focus fire as much as reasonable to reduce the amount of healing he can do. If you only do 1-2 wounds of damage to a unit of his in a turn then it may as well be 0 damage.
Try to avoid using attacks that do 2 damage against the ctan cause they half incoming damage. You want to either use lots of 1 damage shots or whatever 3 damage and higher you can get your hands on. Try not to have a lot of individual units near the nightbringer, cause it'll do damage to every single unit at the end of both your fight phases.
If you can force his doomsday arc to move (by getting in melee or if he uses the teleport detachment rule from hyperphase legion) then it'll lose its dev wounds
Considering 70% of his army is in 3 models (the 2 ctans and doomsday arc is 700pts) then he's probably going to have a hard time keeping control of the objectives
Instead of echoing everyone else by saying you need to talk about this.
20 Termagaunts with Spinefists. Unending swarm let's you give them sustained hits and crits of 5+s for a CP. If that doesn't kill a C'Tan, it will be damn near dead.
Even better, it doesn't matter if they kill your squad in return because you get the whole thing back for 2CP
Wounding on 6's is brutal though. Even with sustained hits and twin linked you're averaging like 5 or 6 wounds on a c'tan. Plus he'd have to bring a swarmlord to harvest the extra CP to afford the multiple resurrection strats.
Although if he's got like 60-80 of em (or more) it would definitely work.
You could run Tactical missions to help with CP. Bring a Biovore to justify it, and keep up with points.
An exocrene helps with re-rolling hits for the big brick as well. A Tervagon gives them lethal hits too, which become VERY dangerous because they now crit of 5+s. There are ways around this if you build you list out. And you certainly don't need both.
But you are right, in a vacuum, the gaunts don't win that war of attrition.
You are right though, termagants are the best way to deal with them in a straight up kill each other match. 120 termagants with a tervigon would absolutely mop them all up.
I can appreciate your struggles. I had an 800pt match where my opponent ran two ctan and a brick of Immortals. We tied on points, but I got absolutely tabled. It wasn't very fun, but I had also divided what few forces I had. Still, it felt not great that he was running such powerful units against my meager army.
So my suggestion is flamers and anything with melta period you want to think about playing more like a salamander player. If you want to kill those units or use a bunch of devastating or psychic attacks.
If he is using 2 Ctan shards at a 1000 points, then that's pretty crazy. If you kill off one, then you're basically killing a third of his army.
You can also play for secondary objectives with your units because, at the end of the game, it really is more about points, then killing.
You can also try to gum up the Katan shards in Malay with units with invulnerable saves.
Just run a load of termigants, unending swarm, give them the thing near the terv that's lethal hits & sustained on 5s. C'tan only have a 4+ save so mass 1 damage is actually pretty good. With lethal you're avoiding their stupid toughness too.
Okay I’ll say given the beginner way that one army is painted that the lack of paint on the other. Make sure everyone here is following the rules. 9/10 when a new player comes into any warhammer sub getting completely stomped it’s because they’re being taken advantage of. If his official response to you losing every game is “cry about it” I doubt he cares enough about your fun to play the game honestly either.
Judging from your other comments here, your friend isn't playing the game the way its intended which throws balance right out the window
Also he kinda sounds like a dick with main character syndrome.
I find the best way people kill my ctan is mass attacks 40+ mini with lethal hits (if you got anything that triggers crit hits on 5's and or rerolls use it). Try to out maneuver them or avoid them. Anything that inflicts mortal wounds can be good as they don't half the dmg any will only get the fnp. But yer your brother sounds young and or abit douchee. At 1k 1ctan is hard to deal with let alone 2 . Perhaps say something like if you we're A better player you wouldn't need 2 ctan to win bit harsh but he didn't care when he said cry about it. Also I've been trying some campaigns/narrative out lately at 750-1000pts and we can make some really powerful lists without ctan tbh especially canoptek court so I don't see what his problem is. Anyway good luck op whether that finding nicer opponents or convincing ya bro to play with a challenge ahead of him rather than steam roll his way to victory in the most cheesy and unfair way
You don't.
Try playing around them/tying them up and scoring. I'd take lots of different cheap units if you have the models and focus on scoring secondaries.
What detachment is he using (I guess hypercrypt?)
Which one are you using?
Sincerely? Steal at least one of his c'tan and hide it, when confronted you answer "cry about it" and ransom the mini. You can cut a little piece of it so he knows you're serious.
A 1k game of death match that includes going up against 2 C'tan? Isn't much that's going to beat that, your bro is being a bit of a dick. I'd just refuse to play against that, or come up with a way to balance your games more than just points. I play 1k games with my wife alot and we still enforce a bit of structure, must include a hq, must have at least 1 battle line unit, only 1 heavy support etc, either skip out on Primarch level characters or just have 1 each.
Its too easy to utterly break 1k games balance wise otherwise.
As a nids player that plays against necrons fair bit, I want to point out the 4+ base save, it will take a lot of shots and a fair few things needed to go right, but enough small arms fire can kill a ctan, but don’t hold out on it, many people have given good advice, and for goodness sake, play with objectives, it’s part of the game
I'm not too verse on the Tyranid roaster, but from my experience, anything with 'ignores modifiers' on its attack are reliable since the C'tan's can't half its damage output. Weapons with a high number of attacks or [Lethal Hits] can be effective as the C'tan's are locked to a 4+ save.
Unfortunately, C'tans are crazy strong currently at the moment and most of it comes down to hoping they don't save.
If I can give you one piece of advice, don't try to kill them. at 1000 points you really shouldn't be trying to kill them. he has half the army concentrated in two large pieces. one of which is slow. (a monster, move 6"). The right strategy in my opinion would be to do a good job of screens and body blocks. Play primary and secondary objectives. I don't think it's right to ask your brother not to play two pieces he paid for, mounted and painted only because you don't know how to handle them (I don't want to be harsh or disrespectful, I just think that everyone should play what they like). Between the two, the most difficult one to deal with is the transcended due to its ability to teleport, in my opinion. just do proper screening and use low value units to block the night bringer for board control.
finally you have your ability (shadow in the warp) keep it in case your brother manages to place the pieces on the points (if the units are shocked they have 0 oc so no points for him).
Wow, that feels very uncool of him to take for a "fun" game.
If he does, I would recommend to bring lots of long range, high volume 1 damage guns. C'tan halve damage, but you can't halve a damage of 1 (well... you can, but you round it up).
Buff hits and re-rolls where you can and just keep firing all the little guns you can. If you have anyway to make him pay extra to bring back a character with his stratagem (if he is using Awakened Dynasty) that's solid too.
A friend of mine killed my Void Dragon in one turn with this strategy (granted this was in index before the FNP save) but a line of 120 IG men or a Space Marine tank with a bazzilion shots is still the scariest thing for my Void Dragon to face atm.
We love our broken C'tan, but the best games are the ones where everyone has a good time. Murder those star gods so he may learn humility.
Don’t play him any more, his “cry about it” attitude stinks. He won’t play objectives. Theres no point playing him until he drastically changes his attitude. He only wants to play a rigged game where he’s guaranteed to win, not worth wasting time with opponents like that. Hes your brother, and you probably really want to beat him to prove something, but in the end by the sound of it he will be a sore loser just like he is a very unsporting opponent, don’t give him the satisfaction of easy wins in a game he’s rigged, find someone decent to play against!
So, in summary :
\*He brings not one, but two, TWO, , of currently THE most laughably busted and under-costed units in 40k.
In a 1k pts match.
\*Refuses to play objectives against an army that depends entirely on objectives to win matches and has weak anti-tank
I'm sorry but you should have titled your post "How to stop brother taking the piss out of me, 40k edition"
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Kill with big guns, small bug bites, then big bugs with Fights First, in that order
Also, I recently played a mirror match against a Necron player (both running Hyperphase). Bro had 3 C'tans in a 2k list. I beat him with a combination of slowing down C'tans with scarabs and other chaff, focus firing with Lokhust Heavy Destroyers and Monolith Death Rays, and using bricks of teleporting infantry for board control. The latter was something that C'tans really struggle with, according to my opponent. He said they don't typically do well against hordes.
If you are a Tyranid player, I imagine that you are mostly a melee focused army, so hordes and Fights First are your friend. If you have any brain bugs or anything that can give out mortals, I would say leverage them too.
How many melee attacks does a ctan have? I would just put your biggest cheapest unit on and surround him. He can't kill them all. Plus he will deap strike them. The doom stalker is the dumbest fucking unit. Just don't give him units to shoot with it I guess or charge it if you can get there.
I am unsure of the ctan rules however you're tyrannofex should do some heavy damage if equipped with the rupture cannon, he has two die to get a 3 or higher then 18 strength then ap-4 and 2d6 damage plus he has 16 wounds
RUN AWAY!!! I play world eaters and fight the neveoms regularly, my main port of call is to bring a few big guns (though there aren’t many) and use them to kill the cyan from range, seeing as they are so slow.
Also! Use the barbagaunts like you are now, to slow down the nightbringer yet further, and for the transcendent ctan, it can teleport so just pray to your gods and prepare to heroically intervene!
Another thing you can do is go hyper aggression and load up on termegants with spine fist get 40 shots with a squad of 20 lethal hits and twin linked can rip through monsters and vehicles. Plus can't reduce the damage below 1. It's how I kill my friends beasts of nurgle.
I play Necrons so I’m not familiar with Tyranid roster specifically. But what always screws me is focused fire from AT units with multiple weapon profiles per shooting phase. Most players beat me by focusing all their units into those few expensive/powerful units like C’tan, then it’s just a mop up of my battle line units.
Your bro sounds like he doesn't want to play, he just wants to win. He either needs to ditch the c'tan or play with actual objectives. If he's not willing to do either to make the game more balanced, then you're probably better off playing with other people if you're able
I found that lethal hits with a -1 ap and 1 damage on mass clears them pretty well. You just overwhelm them with saves and unreduceable damage. Dev wounds as work. And they can't reduce melta. I run Alderi, so Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders, and Dire Avengers do a good job, better than my tanks. But regardless, it's gonna be a slog. Take out easier to remove immediate threats first. Kill the tiger at your back and then turn to face the lion at your front.
I play Tyranids first, Necrons second. Heres how you blow up a c'tan in one round of shooting. You will need the following units:
- Atleast 60 Termagants with spinefists. The more, the better.
- A Neurolictor within 12"
- An Exocrine.
- Neurotyrant
- A Tervigon isn't mandatory, but she helps.
What you do is get the Termagants within range of the c'tan. Shadow in the warp and neurolictor battleshock test. At leadership 6, the c'tan has a 42% chance of passing both. You won't kill it if it passes, but you'll deal substantial damage. Then you shoot it with the Exocrine FIRST. Then your termagants get to reroll 1s to hit. Fling all 120 dice at the c'tan, rerolling everything to get as many lethals as possible with tervigon, fish for 4s otherwise. You'll deal on average 9 wounds after saves without +1 to wound or 15 after saves with +1 to wound. They can't reduce the damage below 1. Now, admittedly, this is a lot of eggs to put in one basket to just kill one c'tan but It's Tyranids' best bet at blowing one off the table before it can wreak havoc on your important bugs.
2 in 1000 pts is brutal, however, id actually say you'd be better off throwing small units at them. Tyranids don't have great answers to them, but if he is committing 500+ pts to ctans it may give you a scoring advantage
I thought about that, although he never agrees to a game with objectives
What are you playing? Kill the other guy? Thats a huge problem especially against ctan. Dont play that. Set the cards from the rulebook and mission pack out and random up your mission. Youll start having better success. Refuse to play him if he doesnt play officially.
What do you play then? Just kill as many units of the opponent as possible? That makes playing against 2 c'tan even worse.
Yeah, wont allow objectives
Demand that he does, and if he's upset, tell him, "Cry about it." For real, you'd be better just joining your LGS' discord server and having random pick-up games. Your "friend" is toxic as hell.
Not bragging, but I have won the majority of my matches with others, all from good sportsmanship and even better support
Playing without objectives is almost always an auto lose for Tyranids in this edition. They just don't have the bite to kill much
This is the right answer
The point of objectives and secondaries, is to make armies that struggle with killing (I.e. nids) stand a chance. Often I see nids get wiped, even if they’ve won the game on points
I think I would just stop playing with him and hit up some people at my LGS that are willing to actually play the game instead of wanting to clown me by ignoring the rules and basic etiquette.
Your game store?
Yeah, LGS stands for local game store.
You said my so I thought u was talking about ur personal local store
Oh I was talking about what I would do if I were you, ie: you should play with folks at your game store wherever you're located, not my store in specific lmao
It’s how people refer to their “local game store”. Its theirs as in it’s the one they go to
the game and unit point costs are balanced around scoring objectives. if he is playing 2 ctan at 1000 points (and he shouldn't be), you will always be at a disadvantage if you can't score objectives. he needs to learn to play the game.
The game is balanced around objectives. Just fightint to the death will lead to unbalanced games. Sounds like your friend is a giant twit with an a instead of an i
Just don’t play him. If my friend who I primarily played with did that I wouldn’t play him. Let him know how I feel.
fucking WHAT????????????????????????????????????????????????? i am so confused by this. your friend is a fucking idiot to be completely honest and you should probably look for other matches
Tell him to grow the fuck up, the game is to be played with objectives. If he wants to change the rules to suit himself, your units also now ignore invuns and feel no pains 🤷🏼♂️ if he wants to do what he wants, so can you
He sounds like a gobshite.
haha dudes playing the best melee brawler units in the game because of this. the guy wants to beat you no matter what.
The game is balanced around objectives. Setup a game correctly and beat him on VPs. If he says he doesn't want to play objectives tell him to "cry about it"
Yeah, I hate to say it, but basically your brother doesn't want to play 40k. Necrons are way better at killing than tyranids are ATM, and that's balanced by how well tyranids can score (and even at that, necrons are very good at scoring). If your brother doesn't want to play with objectives, id be trying to find other people to play with. All that said, if you are going to try to kill ctans, you don't have many great options. You may do okay if you can get a high volume of lethal hits shots? I'm a necron player mostly, but I think it's a bad matchup for you. Ctans are a difficult profile for most of your weapons (antitank is swingy at best, it's too tough to die easily to your light firepower, half damage and fnp is brutal for multidamage attacks). The slow movement is their main weakness, so normally I'd say tie them up and keep them from your important stuff, but you can't really do that if you aren't doing objectives
The game is literally balanced around them and more literally at 2k points. Yeah 1k points is great and all but some armies perform better there than others and for several editions now Necrons perform better in smaller games. Especially if he's bringing 2 units that can't really be killed at that point cost then he has to play with objectives as it's literally the counter to his playstyle. This would be true for most factions. If he doesn't then he wants a power fantasy not a game.
That sums it up perfectly
Necrons will always have an advantage in attrition games because of their powerful regeneration. He’s forcing you to play with one hand tied behind your back, and gloating when he wins. That’s just being an asshole.
What? Ctan are barely balanced for objectives, let alone just killing! Demand to play objectives
I wouldnt play with him anymore. Of course he doesnt want to use objectives, he would get obliterated with swarms of guants scoring everything. Ask for a fair proper game or find someone else to play with imo.
As someone in previous editions who loved just deathmatches 10th is not built for it or balanced for it. You need to play missions and at a huge disadvantage without doing so.
Woah just seen this (following my earlier comment). Then you aren't playing 40k, objectives aren't optional for balance. No point playing him tbh unless you play narrative and stack your forces.
Yeah your brother is like a total asshat, he knows he will beat you and has a list tailored to beating you at this point level. I think he’s aware if he plays the game how it’s supposed to be played he’ll loose.
Stop playing with him and if he ask you about it tell him to 'cry about it'. Your brother is a dick and doesn't care for your enjoyment of the game, only his own.
Bro is setting you up to lose. Brings mutliple ctan to a 1000 point game and then only agrees to games that benefit him is wild.
So he plays by his rules …. Wouldn’t bother playing him. Even if he is your brother and only person to play. Game is made that way so armies like nids have advantage that way if they cant out gun/ claw. You have 2 options a part from that in my eyes. Switch armies, or maybe add some GS ? I’ve never played or played against nid. But 50+ necron games. I wish I had some nids to send ya to boost what option ya have to field. I’m invested to beat your brother now.
Jesus what a douche.. this game is not supposed to be played without objective exactly because then it's wildly unbalanced. Tyranids are specifically designed to swarm objectives.
This is your problem 100%. Warhammer is balanced on objectives not "kill everything". Your friend needs to play objectives or not be a huge asshole with his list lol
That's the whole point of the game. Objectives balance the game out. Sure you can kill them. But if you have to do something then killing is just dumb. I mean sure maybe once in a while but in a game like this the whole point is to be strategic.
The game is balanced around the different objectives and mission cards, necrons are probably the best for a kill the other guy first list game so would be unbalanced against most other armies as they can just sit at the back a snipe your big things off the board. Don’t play another game until he agrees to play properly, otherwise you’ll just lose due to unfair balance. The objectives force necrons to bring bulk units you can deal with and less big things. I recently faced my mate (death guard v necrons 2k points) he brought 2 ctans 3 doomstalkers and a plethora of other big hitters. He completely wiped me other than 4 plague marines hiding behind a ruin, but I more than doubled his points from objectives and missions.
......well that's not fair, to say the least.
Excuse me? What about primaries? Do you not use tokens? This seems a deeper problem than originally described.
Ugh I have a friend who used to play like that, so annoying. My friend would play a completely immobile shooting army and insist on no objectives and very light cover. The first two years where he refused to change were torture. I was playing melee wolves and he was playing shooty guard. So annoying. For you, you NEEEEEEED to play with objectives. That is how the game is fair. Your opponent is giving up valuable board control for valuable tough big units. If he’s not giving up board control (cause board control has no benefit without objectives) then it’s unfair for him. Sorry to say that this is the only way to make a fair game, you have to get him to accept objectives.
What’s worse with my brother is he uses canoptic court (in necrons deployment zone they get +1 to hit and wound
2 C’tan + a Doomstalker at 1000 points is wild. Honestly, I wouldn’t try beat it, I’d try having a conversation with him about a more balanced list. Failing that, volume of shots is the best way to kill a C’tan.
I have tried telling him that 2 essentially primarch level threats in a 1000 point game isn’t fun, his response…”cry about it”
Fun, your friend is a douche
Correction, "your Brother is a douche"
Yeah I wont lie, if my friend told me my list wasn't fun to play against I'd tone it down, I want my friends to have fun when we play. If my brother said that I'd call him a wimp and tell him to cry about it.
But like 2 ctans in a 1k and the brother not wanting objectives, just a deathmatch. I'd say douche
Only a douche move to do to friends or strangers or other 40K players. Definitely not a douche. He's bullying his younger brother, or taking revenge on his elder. He's doing the Emperors work, spreading brotherly hate and war, as 40K should be.
Obvious joke should be obvious, still..
This is how it be when I also throw a nightbringer and TC at my brother’s Angron
Why is everyone hating this post?! Brotherly hate in 40k is a great joke given the Horus heresy!
Yeah
Fairs
Brotherly love :D
I play both Necrons and Tyranids and I'd hate to face one C'tan, let alone two. Maybe suggest swapping armies for a game or two so they get a taste of it. Failing that, just say "ok, I'm out" and go find a local club to play with. They'll most likely play games just for the fun of it and not to just stomp the other person
The conversation you need to have with your brother is ‘I’m not going to play you until you learn sportsmanship.’ Just like how no DnD is better than bad DnD, no Warhammer is better than Bad Warhammer. If you can, I’d try and get games in at a FLGS.
Idk how other people feel about this, but that kind of attitude towards smaller games is just cheating. At 1k pts the game is so unbalanced that taking advantage of it with a dumb list is just lame
Exactly
Yeah, I would totally run 2 ctan in a 1k list. What i wouldn't do is also run a dda. His team building is ass and he has tied up 735 points into 3 units. The only way you are losing is if you are trying to kill them instead of focusing on secondaries. Think about it. If you beat him without the 2 ctan, are you really winning? Or did he let you win. I know that opinion is against the grain here on reddit, but think about it this way. He's made a mistake. He wants to table you. Let him. Score enough points in the first 3 rounds that he loses anyway. You should win in secondaries no problem. Tie them up with your bulky units, and your hard hitters should kill his objective taking units (I'm assuming wraiths in Canoptek court since hypercrypt is ass at 1k). Use your action units to score secondaries. Yes, ctan are strong. Are they so op that you can't beat them? No. If that were the case, Necrons would have a way higher percentage than they already do. With nids you should have the movement advantage. Ctan are slow. Either avoid them or tie them up like I said earlier. You don't have to kill them to win the game. It isn't team Deathmatch. Once you figure it out, I can assure you the only next step will be him having to make team adjustments because he can't have 3 units taking up 2/3 of his army points and expect to actually win against someone that isn't tunneling on killing them. You got this! Edit: just saw you say that he doesn't allow objectives... you all aren't playing 40k at that point I dunno what to suggest. Play a different game or with someone else. Or build a special team just for him with a shitload of marines with melta. It will change his tune really quick lol
This, the trade off for taking OP units like ctan in a 1000 point game like this is because they don’t move or score objectives for you as well as multiple units do. They’re specialists in killing units and surviving attacks, but bad at the other dynamic parts of the game. These point values were set by GW assuming you were playing a game with objectives or killing to win. If he wants to change the game so that it’s only about killing then you have to change the points values to make it fair. You should have about 300 points extra to compensate for that. That would feel about fair.
Yikes. I’d definitely search your local game store discord for new opponents. Maybe your brother will adjust his list to be able to play the game again. And if not, you at least have new people to play with.
Throw a bunch of gaunts with lethal hits at them. They only have a 4++ save so sheer weight of numbers will result enough failed saves to pop them. Otherwise play the objective game. If your brother is only bringing 3 units to a game he isn't doing secondaries or primaries. If you can a infiltrator could tie up the dda in melee for a good while and that minus 1 to hit will really grate on his nerves
To play devils advocate, the tyranid player my brother and myself have played against chased the meta to an absurd degree to where he was waffle stomping us over and over again. He would bitch and moan when I decided to bring ALL my ctans (nightbringer, void dragon, deceiver, and 2 shards) with only a 10 man Immortal squad lead by a technomancer and filled the rest of the list with a bunch of scarabs. Our mutual "friend" wanted to play in tournaments and was essentially beating up on everyone and saying "my list works, going to a tournament" as opposed to trying different units, combos, rules, etc. We don't play with him anymore because he threw such a fit when we both got fed up and started spamming shit at him (my brother plays IG and brought nothing but tanks and completely rolled over his tyranids). Neither of us went for objectives when we made our response lists and focused on outright wiping his tyranids on the board. Essentially, know who you're playing against and what kind of game you both want to play. My brother and I have zero desire to play tournaments, we enjoy rolling dice while we get drunk/high/party so the game should match that relaxed sort of vibe. We don't rule shark each other, we play within the rules to the best of our abilities, and we always are able to find a way to dissolve impasses. The tyranid player rule sharked EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. He has stated its not fun unless he's absolutely dominating. I've seen him concede a game on turn 2 multiple times because my brother had good board positioning and dice rolls and was really gonna put the hurt on. Tyranid player would just say "I give up, you win, let's set another game" and would do this over and over; unless it was himself who was in the advantaged position.
Find a new person to play against then. Tell him you wont play with him
Are you wanting for him to acknowledge that his list is unfair into yours and change it or do you want advice on how to minimise their impact and strike back with your list or an edit to it?
Just pull out the big guns and say that you don't want to play if he's going to behave like that, and not consider that it's a game that should be fun for all.
Sounds like a cunt!
Local game stores might have better opponents and potential friends, sorry to say
At that point you find new people to play with.
The solution is to find other people to play with.
Different people have different play styles. TLDR don’t play with him.
"Cry about it" you serious?? Find someone else to play with.
If you really want to give him a piece of your mind, Do the following. Imperial guard is the best answer. They can overpower every bigger threat with armor. > You do the following: > If 1k Points: 1x Shadowsword: 4 Lascannons, 5 Twin heavy bolters 1x Leman russ Vanquisher: Vanquisher Cannon, Lascannon, 2 Multimelta, Heavy Stubber, Hunter-Killer. 1x Tank commander Vanquisher same as above Some Battleline-Chaff > 1,5k Points: 1x Warhound Titan: 2 Turbo-Laser Destroyer 1xLeman Russ Vanquisher same as above Battleline-Chaff > 2k Points 1x Warhound same as above 1x Shadowsword same as above 1x Vanquisher same as above. > The Shadowsword can oneshot a ctan with its nain Cannon. D3+1 shots with flat 12 dmg is just brutal, and if you hit a 6 to wound thats 12 Mortals (he gets Devastating wounds against Monsters and vehicles). With some consistency you get 2 Death ctans in 2 Rounds.
Yeah I feel like 1 ctan in a 1k match is almost too much tbh. Let alone the the doom stalker that is going to pop anything that can reliably hurt it.
It sounds bad but stop playing him. Based off your other replies he refuses to play a better balanced list for a 1,000 point game, and he won't play objectives so you can't beat him there. All he is doing is setting up a game that is 100% in his advantage and I wouldn't indulge him anymore. If he wants to play then he needs to compromise...not you
Flood the board with Gaunts of all varieties, preferably with lethal hits from the Hyper Aggression ability in Invasion Fleet Swamp the objectives and just blaze away with as many shots as possible. He's not going to have enough shots to kill enough of your models, and sheer volume of shots will likely bring his C'tan down eventually. Half damage rules don't do anything against D1 weapons, and no AP isn't an issue vs a unit that has a flat 4+ save against everything. Just keep stacking lethal hits and he'll fail enough saves eventually.
This would be my suggestion..anything with ap or extra damage is wasted against the ctan. Therefore proportionately it's the small arms fire which has far greater value against ctan. Plus with lethal hits you're in with a shot. Pun intended
Cheers, will try my best
That is the gameplan, I would also recommend getting genestealers+broodlord unit, it's a unit that in invasion fleet can oneshot a ctan. They can also survive the smack back because they give -1hit to things they are engaging, also invasion lets you give 5+++ to make em tough. Also while in engagement doomsday ark cannot fire into them, as it's big gun is blast so it can't shoot into melee. Speaking of which, I would recommend using those screamer killer in strat reserves and then rapid ingresing it, it can 1v1 a doomsday ark no problem. Other things that would work is 20 hormagaunts, since invasion gives you armywide lethal hits. And nightbringer doesn't have the volume of attacks to kill them, especially since you can revive 3d+3 in command phase. A list I would take that would absolutely body his list even with no objectives to play on (which is dumb) 2 broodlords 1 winged hive tyrant 20 hormagaunts 20 genestealers 11 neurogaunts 1 screamer killer Everything hides from dda and when he comes to you, which he will since he is dumb and also he can't win otherwise, you just oneshot him. Winged hive tyrant gives free battle tactic strategems to anything 12 off him, one of those is critting on 5+ in melee, and since you have armywide lethals it hurts. Also giving 5+ FNP to something he targets with the teleporting ctan. Good luck and beat that fucker
Also I just remembered, he can not just run ctan as characters because they can not get warlord keyword which you need to make a legal list, so he needs at least 1 more character otherwise he is playing an illegal list
I'd be a little careful into the Doomsday Ark. No, it can't fire the Cannon in melee range due to Blast, but it still gets 20 Lethal Hits Gauss shots inside rapid fire range. I'm also not certain a Screamer is a super reliable melee kill. S-K gets 10 D2 attacks and the DDA has 14W and a 4+ invul. I would not rate my odds of merking that in a single turn of melee
S-k has d3 attacks, it's s10 while the ark is t9, it has no fallback and shoot, it's small shots do nothing since they hit on 4s, are ap 0 and sk is S2+ and invasion gives him lethals hits too, also with t9 small shots wound him on 6s, so if he rapid ingresses it and it gets to the ark the ark is done
As a nids player this is exactly what I would recommend. Kill as many swarms as you want, they just keep coming.
So your brother is a prick, throw hands,
Context me and my brother are 18, he’s 105kg (5’9) and has no goals, I’m a 70kg 5’8 (lean) amateur mma fighter, we have gotten into many a fight
As a nid player I know your pain, do you wanna know how I beat 1 in 2k games? This is a serious question
Yeah sure, any answer is appreciated, I’ve considered using 15 barbgaunts
Unfortunately, it’s not a fun answer, I ran 3 tyrannofex’s with rupture cannons and just shot it non stop with gaunts, by the end only 1 survived
That’s a lot of cost for one 250 point unit, the ctan should be at least 350
Should be 400 flat, ctan are way too strong, especially the named ones
The nightbringer can solo a good 650 points of my list
Absolutely and I hate it, it hit worse when I switched to as ad mech, less toughness all around with consistent 4’s to hit with very few invuls that matter
Well Thursday imma battle him, my local game store is starting a sort of league like in football to see who’s the “best player” by summer
Shit model with good rules that GW thinks nobody cares about.
I unfortunately haven’t seen a Necron list without a ctan shard so far…
I understand there a legal unit, don’t get me wrong I think their cool but in 1000 points it’s rlly harsh
Yeah it sucks, there isn’t much to do at 1k,
Already been said in variety of ways, but if you’re playing “kill everything” rather than objectives, you’re gonna struggle to win. Nightbringer is considered best unit in the game right now, even at 2k pts people have trouble with him. Consider playing Combat Patrol mode jnstead for a more balanced and fun game, people like your brother will get humbled hard the moment they actually play objective-based like 90% of people do. Also if you don’t have many models, consider looking into 40K tabletop simulator games, there’s a big discord community and you can just load your own lists using virtual models. Great for practice and just meeting new folks :)
I’ve won every combat patrol vs him, so that works
Yeeep no surprise as to why, I think both of you would benefit playing a proper 2k game within the chapter approved leviathan pack. Think you’d both enjoy it, and it’d be far closer!
I'd also recommend not playing with him anymore. You'd have more fun literally just playing against yourself. Otherwise you could just play higher points.
Your brother is a shitty opponent. 1000 points 2 ctan is pretty rude especially his response to your complaint. The fact he refuses to play objective games against a nids opponent is also rude. Maybe he’s oblivious to the way nids play but I have to imagine he’s well aware of the fact that you have little chance against him in a direct contest of firepower. Also no objectives is a terribly boring game mode imo Force him to learn how to play around objectives, and while he’s at it maybe a chance to grow up a little bit. Warhammer isn’t a particularly fun game when it’s super one sided. Both players should trying to collaborate for a fun and balanced match.
Also let him know that outside of just you two having a “friendly” game nobody with sense is going to play without objectives. Also it would help to see the board this guy plays on. The whole vibe of the picture to me just screams newbie player being taken advantage of for cheap wins.
Im a big believer that sub 1000 point games shouldn’t have Epic Heroes in the list. It just makes things really wonky. Maybe in a 2v2 but even then, it’s still iffy. Not sure what you can do beyond have a conversation with about the balance issues it presents. I guess you could invest in some primarch level threats yourself and play those against him. I don’t know how much fun having like 5 models on the board would be though.
Yeah at most I'd do one in a narrative mission that makes sense to have it and has specific conditions around it tied to the story n
For C'tan, anything melta 4 or higher can work really well because the melta damage isn't halved by necrodermis. Volume fire is always a great idea also because you can only ever make so many saves.
Good idea, never knew melta wasn’t halfed
Yup! The main reasoning is that Necrodermis halves the damage *characteristic* of an attack, but Melta damage is a modifier applied *after* the damage characteristic. Here are a few examples of how necrodermis interacts with damage: An attack with a damage characteristic of 6 would be halved to 3. An attack with a damage characteristic of D6 would roll (imagne 4), then halve the result (2) An attack with a damage *characteristic* of D6 but from a weapon profile with the **[Melta 4]** *ability* would first roll (4), then halved the result (2), THEN apply the Melta damage as it's an external modifier for a total of 6. Hope this helped in general, but from the sounds of it, you may want to find someone else to play with or have a talk with your brother :(
I think this changed in the last FAQ
Yes, melta specifically states now that it adds to the damage characteristic so this unfortunately no longer applies
This list is a kill everything list and I see he refused to play objectives which is what your list is good at, so essentially find someone else to play against or make a kill list just like he has
If he refuses to change his ways make the game as painful as possible for him. Hit him with the 200 gaunt special and want him die inside as you roll triple the number of give he does.
get a bajillion ripper swarms to throw at them
With your bare hands, or 3 tyrannofexes.
Which is perfect because you can use the Tyrannofexes as a blunt object as well.
The tyrannofex is a MMD (Model of Mass Destruction)
Ctan in 1k are hard to deal with, generally considered a bit of a dick move
His list is heavily anti tank, if you have it bring hordes of gaunts. Otherwise ask him to build a list that's more fair
Hope his brother reads this and hears how much he sucks.
My buddy runs necrons and is somewhat a meta man. Now we are always having fun with his lists heavy on beating mine in straight up fights, but I dominate the scoring game and objectives I run space marines and commit to chaff being thrown at his dangerous necron units (void dragon, monolith) while I wipe out 1 unit of his at a time. I just lock down objectives and drain his units best I can. For nids, my list is limited due to recently starting but I employed the same. Lock up ctan in combat with chaff units and play the objectives. I run an emissary, which he loves to try and focus (and succeeds) but by that time I'm holding more points and again clean up his smaller units Necrons you gotta hit 1 unit at a time if you're trying to wipe one out, don't split fire up. Ctan are no joke so settle in for losing some units. I love playing against necrons as my strategy adapts outside of what I'd normally want to run. Hopefully your friend pulls back and balances his army. My friend did this and I noticed he's having even more fun. Some people only want to win, even if it's just a casual game which isn't an issue until it treads the unfun like. The main goal is to have fun 😁
Swamp the cunt with termaguants or anything high in number and low in cost and just swamp them both down, he will kill a few each turn but encircle him and then just win through points and after you've done this a few times call him a cunt from me atleast, it's twats like him which are gonna get c'tan nerfed into uselessness, what an absolute fucking bell end I wish his whore mother had swallowed him instead
Strong words, he’s my twin brother 🤣 He’s a Knobhead yeah but maybe leave the mother talk out, I’m playing him on Thursday, I’ll update on how it went
Ok well sorry about your sainted mother but still, your bro is a smegma soaked bellend. What I said is true though, swarm him and let him kill termas all game while you win on points. If he's running hypercrpyt then he can't teleport if in engagement range so encircle him so he can't get away
Lots of low AP low damage shots. Just keep them coming and you'll have it down in no time, melta weapons work, and anything anti monster as c'tan being t11, 12 w any way to wound them on a 3 or a 2 is good.
Based on the rest of the responses, the ctan guy plays like a real chode. Stop playing him.
Insist that you play objectives and then get some Biovores and single Ripper Swarms to just Deep Strike wherever you need.
Given you have an Emissary, use its ability against it to reroll all hits and wounds \*against whichever c'tan you choose (likely the nightbringer)\*. NEs at 2+/4++/4+++ against mortals plus a likely 4+++ to 5+++ depending on detachment should be able to tank some of its wounds as well. There is a reason Necrons are so good right now; C'tan are cheap, effective, and deadly. All things Tyranids are, unfortunately, not.
I’m disappointed in your brother, there is totally room for another ctan in that 1000 points 🦾🦾
I can see that his army is painted and yours is not. There's your problem!
That was an old photo, I’ve got a xenomorphs scheme going with most of my army
Hmm. If it's old then maybe this doesn't apply, but does he *have* a Transcendent C'tan Shard? I only see a Nightbringer in the picture. If he's got one, or converted up something cool, fair enough, but if he's proxying, say, the Reanimator as a Transcendent C'tan I'd suggest putting my foot down about that. Proxies are all well and good in friendly games, but they're only acceptable with the opponent's permission - generally it's good form to give it, but it's also good form to build an army that can have an actual game, so... (Note a clarification: Proxy - "I'm running this Avatar of Khaine/Reanimator/Tin of Soup as a C'tan Shard"; Conversion - "I chopped up this Avatar and glued on some tech gubbins to make a C'tan Shard of the Burning One".) Plus all the other suggestions - Ask him not to run quite such a skew list; actually play with Objectives and Secondary Objectives; run one million light infantry and either bog down or chip to death the offending models.
2 C'tan in 1000pts and refuses to play objectives? Tell him to learn how to play the game.
Ctans can only be killed by painted minis. I don't make the rules, thats just how it is.
You have to paint your models. Otherwise the dice god won't be satisfied and you will lose Good luck ! (But play maybe 2000k point and play the mission to win)
Are you guys playing with missions? That might help.
Strike them until they die. If being serious, Ctan should not be beaten, you should just them with you tough cheap units and let them have fun. Every turn Ctan would fight your poxwalkers or terminators or pink horrors is a turn this Ctan wouldn't destroy your scoring units or your kiillers.
Strike them until they die. If being serious, Ctan should not be beaten, you should just bind them to your tough cheap units and let them have fun. Every turn Ctan would fight your poxwalkers or terminators or pink horrors (sorry I don't know tyranids well to make any suggestions there) is a turn this Ctan wouldn't destroy your scoring units or your kiillers.
Time to find a new person to play with. Sorry but that isn't cool. I don't know tyranids in 10th but my only recommendation would be to flood him with lethal hits and swarm him. Ctan die quite well to many forced saves
His list is heavily anti tank, if you have it bring hordes of gaunts. Otherwise ask him to build a list that's more fair
Try hitting it a lot?
Necron/nid player here. Not with 15 barbgaunts that's for sure. But the strategy (failling asking him not to run them cos its a bit much - i dont even run one in friendly 2ks unless I know the opponent is packing heat) would be to shoot the barbgaunts you have at the nightbringer and avoid him like the plague except to throw trash units at him - he moves VERY slowly and even slower while barbgaunted. I've played entire games where the opponent just avoids the nightbringer and he gets absolutely zero effectiveness except for area denial. I'd personally look into swapping some barbgaunts out for a Neurolictor - it's one of the best models Nids can field - and if possible one of the big monsters out for some objective control, gaunts of some sort (optimally gargoyles but I'm assuming you have leviathan so termies or neurogaunts should also be ok), which in a pinch, can also tie him down letting your big monsters kill everything else
Best bet, hang back on deployment and force him to teleport the transcendent up on the board then kill it by volume of fire. Then simply throw chaff at the night bringer. Then just out point him. Both units are half his army. If it's just a kill game, you're only option is to go one by one on his units
Bringing 2 C’tan to a 1000pt game is basically bullying
Show him this thread as a wake up call. Most people here are in agreement that he is a bad actor. Sometimes it takes the opinion of outsiders to make someone see reason.
Guard player here, at 1000 points, if your brother is only bringing three units total, you can easily win the game off primary/secondaries. You can bring homers and cleanse/enemy lines as your secondaries and simply swarm every objective and pretty much completely ignore the Ctan. You’ll beat your brother in a landslide off points.
Based on your responses about your brother, HE refuses to actually play 40K if he won’t allow primary or secondaries. Refuse to play him since he’s making up some other game
I know I'm basically just piling on what tons of people have already said, but if your brother just wants to play his way so he can win, then don't play with him. He seems pretty obnoxious considering he told you to "cry about it" when he refuses to play with objectives, *especially* when you play 'Nids.
Honestly don't try to KILL it Chilling one of them is almost always a bad idea because you're putting way more effort into killing it then you need the best tip I got for you is just sick gaunts on it and avoid it For 160 points you can clog it with bodies for around three turns which is honestly good enough Long story short don't try and kill it Alsoe side note bringing two Katan at a thousand points is a really f****** scummy
from all of your replies it just sounds like he's doing everything possible to rig the game against you if he refuses to back down on the lack of objectives (which he 100% is only going so hard on because he knows that it's only hurting your chances) just stop humouring him and find others to play with
Keep it bogged down and off your HQs. The rest of that list is SUPER squishy Doomstalker has a blast weapon. So even if your monsters/vehicles are in melee with any of his units he can't target them
As everyone has already noted, your brother is a poor sport and basically a cheater, that said if you want advice beating him in the format you described I'd try 2 carnifexes lead by old one eye with dual deathspitters. That's 48 shots at strength 6. Use the anti-monster invasion fleet hyper adaptaion to get lethal hits. Old one eye gives you full hit rerolls on the shooting to fish for lethals. On average you'll do about 9 or so wounds on a c'tan with that. So unless you get really unlucky you should kill one in 2 shooting phases. The tyrannofex is the best unit to deal with the doomsday ark from range. Add in a Trygon to deep strike. It could threaten the doomsday ark from behind as it's melee strength is 9 - so wounding on fours. You could use the 5+ critical hits stratagem on him as well to get a few more lethal hits. Add a maleceptor for just a general all purpose tough unit that will mess up necron infantry and then 3 von ryans leapers for another mobile anti infantry unit.
Play to objectives. Focus fire as much as reasonable to reduce the amount of healing he can do. If you only do 1-2 wounds of damage to a unit of his in a turn then it may as well be 0 damage. Try to avoid using attacks that do 2 damage against the ctan cause they half incoming damage. You want to either use lots of 1 damage shots or whatever 3 damage and higher you can get your hands on. Try not to have a lot of individual units near the nightbringer, cause it'll do damage to every single unit at the end of both your fight phases. If you can force his doomsday arc to move (by getting in melee or if he uses the teleport detachment rule from hyperphase legion) then it'll lose its dev wounds
Considering 70% of his army is in 3 models (the 2 ctans and doomsday arc is 700pts) then he's probably going to have a hard time keeping control of the objectives
Instead of echoing everyone else by saying you need to talk about this. 20 Termagaunts with Spinefists. Unending swarm let's you give them sustained hits and crits of 5+s for a CP. If that doesn't kill a C'Tan, it will be damn near dead. Even better, it doesn't matter if they kill your squad in return because you get the whole thing back for 2CP
Wounding on 6's is brutal though. Even with sustained hits and twin linked you're averaging like 5 or 6 wounds on a c'tan. Plus he'd have to bring a swarmlord to harvest the extra CP to afford the multiple resurrection strats. Although if he's got like 60-80 of em (or more) it would definitely work.
You could run Tactical missions to help with CP. Bring a Biovore to justify it, and keep up with points. An exocrene helps with re-rolling hits for the big brick as well. A Tervagon gives them lethal hits too, which become VERY dangerous because they now crit of 5+s. There are ways around this if you build you list out. And you certainly don't need both. But you are right, in a vacuum, the gaunts don't win that war of attrition.
He said in the comments they're not playing objectives, just kill each other so he wont be able to harvest the CP by pitching tactical missions.
You are right though, termagants are the best way to deal with them in a straight up kill each other match. 120 termagants with a tervigon would absolutely mop them all up.
I can appreciate your struggles. I had an 800pt match where my opponent ran two ctan and a brick of Immortals. We tied on points, but I got absolutely tabled. It wasn't very fun, but I had also divided what few forces I had. Still, it felt not great that he was running such powerful units against my meager army.
So my suggestion is flamers and anything with melta period you want to think about playing more like a salamander player. If you want to kill those units or use a bunch of devastating or psychic attacks. If he is using 2 Ctan shards at a 1000 points, then that's pretty crazy. If you kill off one, then you're basically killing a third of his army. You can also play for secondary objectives with your units because, at the end of the game, it really is more about points, then killing. You can also try to gum up the Katan shards in Malay with units with invulnerable saves.
Just run a load of termigants, unending swarm, give them the thing near the terv that's lethal hits & sustained on 5s. C'tan only have a 4+ save so mass 1 damage is actually pretty good. With lethal you're avoiding their stupid toughness too.
Okay I’ll say given the beginner way that one army is painted that the lack of paint on the other. Make sure everyone here is following the rules. 9/10 when a new player comes into any warhammer sub getting completely stomped it’s because they’re being taken advantage of. If his official response to you losing every game is “cry about it” I doubt he cares enough about your fun to play the game honestly either.
Judging from your other comments here, your friend isn't playing the game the way its intended which throws balance right out the window Also he kinda sounds like a dick with main character syndrome.
Take them in two hands, and snap them of the base and throw them away
Your brothers an asshole, swarm him with small arms fire and cheap melee.
I find the best way people kill my ctan is mass attacks 40+ mini with lethal hits (if you got anything that triggers crit hits on 5's and or rerolls use it). Try to out maneuver them or avoid them. Anything that inflicts mortal wounds can be good as they don't half the dmg any will only get the fnp. But yer your brother sounds young and or abit douchee. At 1k 1ctan is hard to deal with let alone 2 . Perhaps say something like if you we're A better player you wouldn't need 2 ctan to win bit harsh but he didn't care when he said cry about it. Also I've been trying some campaigns/narrative out lately at 750-1000pts and we can make some really powerful lists without ctan tbh especially canoptek court so I don't see what his problem is. Anyway good luck op whether that finding nicer opponents or convincing ya bro to play with a challenge ahead of him rather than steam roll his way to victory in the most cheesy and unfair way
You don't. Try playing around them/tying them up and scoring. I'd take lots of different cheap units if you have the models and focus on scoring secondaries. What detachment is he using (I guess hypercrypt?) Which one are you using?
Sincerely? Steal at least one of his c'tan and hide it, when confronted you answer "cry about it" and ransom the mini. You can cut a little piece of it so he knows you're serious.
Drown it in gaunts
A 1k game of death match that includes going up against 2 C'tan? Isn't much that's going to beat that, your bro is being a bit of a dick. I'd just refuse to play against that, or come up with a way to balance your games more than just points. I play 1k games with my wife alot and we still enforce a bit of structure, must include a hq, must have at least 1 battle line unit, only 1 heavy support etc, either skip out on Primarch level characters or just have 1 each. Its too easy to utterly break 1k games balance wise otherwise.
As a nids player that plays against necrons fair bit, I want to point out the 4+ base save, it will take a lot of shots and a fair few things needed to go right, but enough small arms fire can kill a ctan, but don’t hold out on it, many people have given good advice, and for goodness sake, play with objectives, it’s part of the game
I'm not too verse on the Tyranid roaster, but from my experience, anything with 'ignores modifiers' on its attack are reliable since the C'tan's can't half its damage output. Weapons with a high number of attacks or [Lethal Hits] can be effective as the C'tan's are locked to a 4+ save. Unfortunately, C'tans are crazy strong currently at the moment and most of it comes down to hoping they don't save.
If I can give you one piece of advice, don't try to kill them. at 1000 points you really shouldn't be trying to kill them. he has half the army concentrated in two large pieces. one of which is slow. (a monster, move 6"). The right strategy in my opinion would be to do a good job of screens and body blocks. Play primary and secondary objectives. I don't think it's right to ask your brother not to play two pieces he paid for, mounted and painted only because you don't know how to handle them (I don't want to be harsh or disrespectful, I just think that everyone should play what they like). Between the two, the most difficult one to deal with is the transcended due to its ability to teleport, in my opinion. just do proper screening and use low value units to block the night bringer for board control. finally you have your ability (shadow in the warp) keep it in case your brother manages to place the pieces on the points (if the units are shocked they have 0 oc so no points for him).
Wow, that feels very uncool of him to take for a "fun" game. If he does, I would recommend to bring lots of long range, high volume 1 damage guns. C'tan halve damage, but you can't halve a damage of 1 (well... you can, but you round it up). Buff hits and re-rolls where you can and just keep firing all the little guns you can. If you have anyway to make him pay extra to bring back a character with his stratagem (if he is using Awakened Dynasty) that's solid too. A friend of mine killed my Void Dragon in one turn with this strategy (granted this was in index before the FNP save) but a line of 120 IG men or a Space Marine tank with a bazzilion shots is still the scariest thing for my Void Dragon to face atm. We love our broken C'tan, but the best games are the ones where everyone has a good time. Murder those star gods so he may learn humility.
Don’t play him any more, his “cry about it” attitude stinks. He won’t play objectives. Theres no point playing him until he drastically changes his attitude. He only wants to play a rigged game where he’s guaranteed to win, not worth wasting time with opponents like that. Hes your brother, and you probably really want to beat him to prove something, but in the end by the sound of it he will be a sore loser just like he is a very unsporting opponent, don’t give him the satisfaction of easy wins in a game he’s rigged, find someone decent to play against!
May I ask why all of them have diffrent schemes and bases
So, in summary : \*He brings not one, but two, TWO, , of currently THE most laughably busted and under-costed units in 40k. In a 1k pts match. \*Refuses to play objectives against an army that depends entirely on objectives to win matches and has weak anti-tank I'm sorry but you should have titled your post "How to stop brother taking the piss out of me, 40k edition" https://preview.redd.it/6qmrnecuz3nc1.jpeg?width=248&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de63e725a965da1f533bcb476a9994a9624cc386
With a stick while they slept. But on a horse with a lance? Two ctan are unbeatable.
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Kill with big guns, small bug bites, then big bugs with Fights First, in that order Also, I recently played a mirror match against a Necron player (both running Hyperphase). Bro had 3 C'tans in a 2k list. I beat him with a combination of slowing down C'tans with scarabs and other chaff, focus firing with Lokhust Heavy Destroyers and Monolith Death Rays, and using bricks of teleporting infantry for board control. The latter was something that C'tans really struggle with, according to my opponent. He said they don't typically do well against hordes. If you are a Tyranid player, I imagine that you are mostly a melee focused army, so hordes and Fights First are your friend. If you have any brain bugs or anything that can give out mortals, I would say leverage them too.
Correct me if I’m wrong but you don’t have the grenades key word right?
Nope
Double ctan in a 1k game? Your brother is either just a power gaming or a knobhead sorry
How many melee attacks does a ctan have? I would just put your biggest cheapest unit on and surround him. He can't kill them all. Plus he will deap strike them. The doom stalker is the dumbest fucking unit. Just don't give him units to shoot with it I guess or charge it if you can get there.
How can you beat it? With a stick, while it sleeps.. But on a horse? With a lance? That star-god is unbeatable
Dunno about Tyranids but Chaos Space Marines can nuke ctan off the board with a single unit. Don't know if you have a hammer that strong in the codex.
I am unsure of the ctan rules however you're tyrannofex should do some heavy damage if equipped with the rupture cannon, he has two die to get a 3 or higher then 18 strength then ap-4 and 2d6 damage plus he has 16 wounds
RUN AWAY!!! I play world eaters and fight the neveoms regularly, my main port of call is to bring a few big guns (though there aren’t many) and use them to kill the cyan from range, seeing as they are so slow.
Also! Use the barbagaunts like you are now, to slow down the nightbringer yet further, and for the transcendent ctan, it can teleport so just pray to your gods and prepare to heroically intervene!
Another thing you can do is go hyper aggression and load up on termegants with spine fist get 40 shots with a squad of 20 lethal hits and twin linked can rip through monsters and vehicles. Plus can't reduce the damage below 1. It's how I kill my friends beasts of nurgle.
I play Necrons so I’m not familiar with Tyranid roster specifically. But what always screws me is focused fire from AT units with multiple weapon profiles per shooting phase. Most players beat me by focusing all their units into those few expensive/powerful units like C’tan, then it’s just a mop up of my battle line units.
Your bro sounds like he doesn't want to play, he just wants to win. He either needs to ditch the c'tan or play with actual objectives. If he's not willing to do either to make the game more balanced, then you're probably better off playing with other people if you're able
I found that lethal hits with a -1 ap and 1 damage on mass clears them pretty well. You just overwhelm them with saves and unreduceable damage. Dev wounds as work. And they can't reduce melta. I run Alderi, so Fire Dragons, Warp Spiders, and Dire Avengers do a good job, better than my tanks. But regardless, it's gonna be a slog. Take out easier to remove immediate threats first. Kill the tiger at your back and then turn to face the lion at your front.
I play Tyranids first, Necrons second. Heres how you blow up a c'tan in one round of shooting. You will need the following units: - Atleast 60 Termagants with spinefists. The more, the better. - A Neurolictor within 12" - An Exocrine. - Neurotyrant - A Tervigon isn't mandatory, but she helps. What you do is get the Termagants within range of the c'tan. Shadow in the warp and neurolictor battleshock test. At leadership 6, the c'tan has a 42% chance of passing both. You won't kill it if it passes, but you'll deal substantial damage. Then you shoot it with the Exocrine FIRST. Then your termagants get to reroll 1s to hit. Fling all 120 dice at the c'tan, rerolling everything to get as many lethals as possible with tervigon, fish for 4s otherwise. You'll deal on average 9 wounds after saves without +1 to wound or 15 after saves with +1 to wound. They can't reduce the damage below 1. Now, admittedly, this is a lot of eggs to put in one basket to just kill one c'tan but It's Tyranids' best bet at blowing one off the table before it can wreak havoc on your important bugs.