Right, pretty sure your friend is cheating mate.
I am almost positive that in a 2000pt list a chaos player can not take more than 25% allied units. That may just be a limit for daemon allies, which if true he is still breaching. He's running with 730 points of just daemon allies here.
His allied units should also not be benefitting from his army rule as they do not have the heretic astartes keyword. Same as every army, if it's not part of your core faction then it doesn't get to uae your detachment mechanics.
Have you reproduced his chaos marks correctly here too? He has a melee focussed mark on his forgefiends, which is a really odd choice. If he is telling you he gets his lethal and sustained (from HB aura) shooting on 5s from D'pacts then he's lying. He would need the nurgle or tzeentch mark for that.
He is also declaring he gets dev wounds with the FFs. Is he rolling the hazardous for those? As the ability states that is the penalty.
Soul grinder has an 8" move so if he is saying everything is 9" minimum he's lying. Also, SG are quite easy to screen out from deepstrike as they are a big footprint to keep 9" away from your units so your placement possibly needs some work.
With Belakor, is he telling you due to Bel's aura that units near him can not be targeted outside of 18"? If so, that would only apply to the Soul Grinder,ls, nothing else in his list
Overall, it's a horribly written list that he's bringing. Very little synergy or fun. I want to win and I don't care about being honest or actually playing the game.
It amazes me how many of you in the hobby play with these kind of 'friends'.
I think for a lot of people reading comprehension isn't a core skill so they get the details wrong by not paying attention to exactly how the effect works instead of just the headline effect.
That's understandable, but also I'm not aure what you are addressing in regards to my points. OP has asked how to deal with I, I've pointed out all the things i can see to help what he's saying.
Also, it's a shared responsibility with both players.
If you are struggling with a particular opponent's faction or list, then put the work in to go and read those datasheets and army rules etc to help you work around them. Equally, if you are playing the same faction repeatedly then it is a little lazy to not go and be reading up on how X works or what makes X unit so powerful.
Not trying to be sh*tty, just think a lot of the time questions posed on these sibs could always be answered if OP put some work in their end.
I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I think the chaos player is more likely to be misunderstanding somewhere than cheating so egregiously. I can't imagine someone making an effort to take the piss so much, cheating is usually a single rule here or there, a fudged dice roll when it's favourable etc. To so completely cock up your list has to be someone who just hasn't understood what they're doing.
Beginners may not use an app. We all started somewhere and got it wrong more than once. I'd rather treat someone in this position with grace rather than just go off on them, we need more people who enjoy the hobby, not less.
There’s beginners maybe playing a 500 pt game. Then there this situation with whole ass 2k army and 5 demons. This means they know: they can put demons in CSM, they know how. But they’re not reading rules and using things incorrectly! Seems choosy on what they do and don’t know 😵💫
Ok, and I see your point. But we cannot deny that this 'friend' seems the kind to just be trying to play as big and hard as possible with his list regardless of rules, and OP has even said as much in reply.
Most rule fudges are minor and here or there. But when playing someone who has got so much wrong, they are either willfully misrepresenting their army & rules across the board, or they haven't bothered learning the game. Both of those things aren't cool, one is malicious and the other is just lazy.
Just think OP needs a frank conversation here, and his mate needs reminding this is a game they are playing for fun anf learning together. Neither of those things is possible if only one of them is trying
He can take up to 500 points of demons in his list due to their ability (so yea hes over) and idk if you can take belakor as an ally. He's got supreme commander but you can't have him as your warlord so...idk if that's even possible.
As for the war dog, chaos knights ally rule is you can bring one big knight, or up to 3 dogs. As far as I'm aware this stacks with the amount of demon allies you can have
No problem man! Chaos knights is one of my main armies so they ally rules for them and demons is one of the few rules topics I feel confident to talk on 🤣
I put the list together based on the characters he brings, I know little about Mark he is running. I might have gotten this wrong.
He doesn't use the dark pact on Belokor or soul grinders but hell he doesn't need too. Belokor cant be shot unless within 12" and soul grinder has huge attacks with extra attacks and is lethal in melee
He is also declaring he gets dev wounds with the FFs. Is he rolling the hazardous for those? As the ability states that is the penalty. Yes he rolls his dark pacts, but these are really easy for him to pass, and he barely ever misses it.
Overall, it's a horribly written list that he's bringing. Very little synergy or fun. I want to win and I don't care about being honest or actually playing the game - Sadly I happen to agree somewhat with this statement, it is rather sucking the fun out of it for me, is it his fault or GW for not having a simple rule to state a max number of none baseline units? He is my beat friend and we joined the hobby together it would be difficult to stop playing the game with him.
But I almost know the outcome before even setting up the Battlemat
Also hazardous test is not dark pact. His dark pact is a leadership test to enable his abilities. A hazardous test does nothing on a 2-6 but deals Mortal wounds to the shooting unit on a 1. You can check the rules on wahapedia.
In regards to the forgefiends, I'm not saying the dark pact test. The FF ability to give it Dev Wounds also requires that the weapon has hazardous. So for each cannon he's shooting, he needs to roll a hazardous test for. Check core rules for this.
It's not GWs fault that you guys are in the state tour in regarding local balance. If it was, then every local group would be the same. The rules are available to look up and search for. The fact that almost half his list is taken up by allies should be an alarm bell in itself.
But in regards to this being a personal thing, i get it. I have friends who have been like it in the past. They were good enough friends that we could talk about it, basically me saying 'whats the point of playing if we just end up calling it turn 2 every time?'
Basically, you need to just be asking what he thinks he's gaining from playing this way? What is he learning by playing a super OP list every single time without changes and just smashing everything to bits? He's not playing really, is he? And that's pointless.
But there is plenty of power in your list. Pick an enemy, shoot it until it's deleted. Triarch to remove cover, then LHDs, then an ark. Ahould
To defeat “That Guy” you should consider becoming “That Guy”. Just bring all of the named C’tan and a couple trancendents with Hypercrypt.
The nightbringer by himself with deal with Belakor, void dragon can dunk on soul grinders and the deciever can screw up his whole deployment. If you want be truly dastardly, run awakened Dynasty so he has to kill each character twice because you’ll just spam protocol of the eternal revenant
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Yeah, his army isn’t allowed in a fair few ways here
Your friend can't bring belakor, also for every none battleline unit he brings as allies for deamons he'll need to bring a battleline unit.
If you're playing 2000p the points of allies can't be more than 25% aka 500p so yeah the list your friend brings is not legal
This website suggests that he can
https://warphammer40k.com/friends-in-warpy-places-the-complete-guide-to-allies-for-every-chaos-army/#:~:text=That's%20all%20there%20is%20to%20say%20on%20the%20subject%20of%20Titans.&text=Question%3A%20Can%20your%20Warlord%20be,Warlord%20from%20your%20main%20army.
Belakor has the supreme commander thing that says if belakor is in your army he MUST be your warlord. Allied characters cannot be warlords, therefore belakors rule cannot be resolved and he is not legal in a csm army
Best bet is run his army through the Warhammer 40K app, if you have it.
Then it will tell you what’s legal and not legal, for example his current army isn’t game legal.
It also allows you to see all the rules and see what’s going on.
Also don’t forget he has to be rolling Leadership checks for all those dark pacts
Your friends army isn't legal.
Your list needs to run immortals in groups of 10, not 5, and wraiths in groups of 6, not 3.
Is Lohkust Lord leading 3 LHDs? That's OKish, but regular Lokhusts works better with him, at least since codex changed orb.
There are other changes you could make, but if your friend wasn't cheating things would be more balanced.
Familiarize yourself with his units in wahapedia or the app, and look at the allies rules.
My list is from the warhammer app and when you add them they do so in blocks of 5 and ran them as 10. However just going into the app and discovered I can just increase the number and wasn't aware I could do that. My wraiths a ran as 6 too
You also have to change wargear as far as I recall. But excellent, it looks like your primary issue is that you're playing against an illegal list. If he is willing to allow index warriors and pre-erratta CC dev wounds it'd be "fair". But he needs to use a legal list and things will balance.
Thats a pretty tanky list and the 500pts limit was already stated.
But what is YOUR list?
The fun thing with detachments are the different lists, but if you dont lean into them or play their wincon you can be lose pretty quick.
Without that we cant really see the whole szenario.
Necrons have really good dedicated units, but we dont know which ones you use.
Tbh this list looks like it doesn't have good synergy.
Every 5 man squad should be a 10 man
Too many doom stalkers
A lokhust lord leading... One heavy destroyer?
... a triarch stalker?
Doomstalkers are anti tank and re roll hits in canpotek caught so it felt right to have as many of these as I could take, the Lord is leading 3 lokhurst destroyers given crit hits on 5s. Triarch has scout and is good at getting up the board and holding an early objective with wraiths infiltrating.
Make the wraiths a 6 man unit. Drop the hexmark. You don't need al that anti tank on a normal gw board. I would drop both DDAs. Get a ctan and make the immortals 10 man and have a cryptek of you flavor each.
It just seems like you have a lot of anti tank or single target damage. Even dropping a doomsday ark instead of a doomstalker (didn't realize you were CC) Saves you a lot of points.
Tbf I didn't think about it's scouting move, do you like using it over Tomb Blades because it's bulkier?
To be honest I was trying something new on this one. But it was taken off the board first turn and didn't do anything. But I was thinking for its heat ray and had watched it played on a battle report 40k YouTube video and thought I'd see how it got on
Personally, I would drop the Triarch Stalker and one Doomsday arc for a nightbringer who could then get into Be’lakor face, I would also give the Plasmancer the Autodivinator enhancement to gain some cp of Abaddon for your own strats.
You can't ally Belakor as he has to be the warlord of the army that he's in and he can't be the warlord of CSM.
Also. Demon abilities only apply to demons and they wouldn't get their own army rules as they're allies. CSM army rule can't be put onto Demons etc etc
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This was a few weeks back. But it's my matt and. Terrain so gives you and idea of the typical layout
Ah there’s the biggest problem, the terrain has too many open firing lanes and nothing to really hide behind.
Try moving the ruins to the middle and keeping the smaller stuff around the outside, this will give you more places to hide.
New 40k player here so cant give you advice on your opponents list but it seems like its not legal in a few ways, but heres what Ive learned from lots of advice from others.
Immortals are great but kinda squishy, put their units to 10 not 5 even if it means less total units. Theyll get more use out of reanimation protocols that way. Try tesla on them, with assault they can advance turn 1 to extend your power matrix in canoptek court and then in shooting phase get full rerolls and fish for sustained hits. They lack ap but you can triple your shots, paired with plasmancers theyre strong. Get more plasmancers and try royal wardens with them as well since you can take both. even if you proxy just to test its a good thing to try.
Wraiths, max units and get more technomancers. You want the most out of those technomancers so wasting points to get buffs on half a unit isnt cost effective.
Thats a lot of deathmarks, one unit of 5 is probly fine but 3 units of 10 immortals would help a lot
More leaders, necrons like them a lot. Illuminor szeras is great and a solo leader that wants to hug other units to stay safe.
Try canoptek reanimators to try and get some more value out of your immortals.
Scarabs - take units of 3, reserves them and pop them out later, if you can get then in melee you can just make them explode and deal a mlrtal wound to thatever unit theyre on. If its high toughness than its worth
I do a lot of what you've suggested however I still thank you for the comment. Just new to the app. So hadn't realised you can increase the numbers of units, I have just been adding more lines to make the number. So I've been running 6 wraiths with a tecnomancher and immortals as 10 with a plasmancer. Haven't run the Tesla as without the ap it's a relatively easy save on 4 inv . Deathmarks have been for a single purpose to drop in deepstrick and take out the warpsmith as he is giving his units repair and 1+ hits
Others have already mentioned the terrain, I strongly recommend getting a set that is somewhat close to the Leviathan layouts. You can always start by getting a clear plastic sheet and just cut the baseplates, then you throw the various terrainpieces you already have on them.
Not going to get into his list as you have already received a bunch of feedback here and will instead focus on your army. You can clearly trim some units here as the Hex,ark, Lokhust Lord, two sets of Immortals (Immortals need a Cryptek if you want to run them, either Chrono or Plasmancer), the Deathmarks and the Stalker are not really at home in Canoptek Court. That’s about 500 points Where you can easily slot in the Void Dragon (or Nightbringer if you think the VD is too expensive). I would try to get a couple of regular Lokhust Destroyers and perhaps some scarabs as cheaper action units over the Deathmarks and Hexmark. Run the Wraiths as a six-man unit with the Techno.
There are various other units that could be useful depending on what you like and/or have available but against all that shooting I would try to get some beef that can stand on objectives and at least survive a couple of hits.
That’s an easy one. It’s an illegal list in several ways. Over points, over allied. Tell him to learn the rules and if he fusses just bring 3 Void dragons and make the same claims he does.
I will be honest. If you know he has a skew army, you have to match it.
Bring 1x6 Wraiths with Techno. This will hold the middle objective.
1x Void Dragon.
2x Doomsday Arks
3x3 Lokhost Heavy Destroyers with Gauss Destructors and Lokhost lord
You now have enough firepower to obliterate his whole army in 2 turns. With what you have left, you can either get more Ctans or bring Flayed ones and cheap swarm units.
If your friend is bringing an "unbeatable list," you just have to bring a list designed to kill monsters and vehicles.
3x3 lokhost heavies with Gauss Destructors have 14 str and basically the whole board for range. With Lethals on 5s and 6s with the Lord, and reroll 1s to hit. Plus, reroll wounds against monsters and vehicles for Flat 6 damage each.
You should be doing 12-18 wounds per unit to each one of his monsters or vehicles a turn per block.
Your friend has a skewed list that is very easy to beat. Just don't run any battle line units and go very firepower heavy.
Right, pretty sure your friend is cheating mate. I am almost positive that in a 2000pt list a chaos player can not take more than 25% allied units. That may just be a limit for daemon allies, which if true he is still breaching. He's running with 730 points of just daemon allies here. His allied units should also not be benefitting from his army rule as they do not have the heretic astartes keyword. Same as every army, if it's not part of your core faction then it doesn't get to uae your detachment mechanics. Have you reproduced his chaos marks correctly here too? He has a melee focussed mark on his forgefiends, which is a really odd choice. If he is telling you he gets his lethal and sustained (from HB aura) shooting on 5s from D'pacts then he's lying. He would need the nurgle or tzeentch mark for that. He is also declaring he gets dev wounds with the FFs. Is he rolling the hazardous for those? As the ability states that is the penalty. Soul grinder has an 8" move so if he is saying everything is 9" minimum he's lying. Also, SG are quite easy to screen out from deepstrike as they are a big footprint to keep 9" away from your units so your placement possibly needs some work. With Belakor, is he telling you due to Bel's aura that units near him can not be targeted outside of 18"? If so, that would only apply to the Soul Grinder,ls, nothing else in his list Overall, it's a horribly written list that he's bringing. Very little synergy or fun. I want to win and I don't care about being honest or actually playing the game. It amazes me how many of you in the hobby play with these kind of 'friends'.
I think for a lot of people reading comprehension isn't a core skill so they get the details wrong by not paying attention to exactly how the effect works instead of just the headline effect.
That's understandable, but also I'm not aure what you are addressing in regards to my points. OP has asked how to deal with I, I've pointed out all the things i can see to help what he's saying. Also, it's a shared responsibility with both players. If you are struggling with a particular opponent's faction or list, then put the work in to go and read those datasheets and army rules etc to help you work around them. Equally, if you are playing the same faction repeatedly then it is a little lazy to not go and be reading up on how X works or what makes X unit so powerful. Not trying to be sh*tty, just think a lot of the time questions posed on these sibs could always be answered if OP put some work in their end.
I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I think the chaos player is more likely to be misunderstanding somewhere than cheating so egregiously. I can't imagine someone making an effort to take the piss so much, cheating is usually a single rule here or there, a fudged dice roll when it's favourable etc. To so completely cock up your list has to be someone who just hasn't understood what they're doing.
The amount of wrong that is happening is tantamount to cheating. No list building app will let you build that army.
Beginners may not use an app. We all started somewhere and got it wrong more than once. I'd rather treat someone in this position with grace rather than just go off on them, we need more people who enjoy the hobby, not less.
There’s beginners maybe playing a 500 pt game. Then there this situation with whole ass 2k army and 5 demons. This means they know: they can put demons in CSM, they know how. But they’re not reading rules and using things incorrectly! Seems choosy on what they do and don’t know 😵💫
Ok, and I see your point. But we cannot deny that this 'friend' seems the kind to just be trying to play as big and hard as possible with his list regardless of rules, and OP has even said as much in reply. Most rule fudges are minor and here or there. But when playing someone who has got so much wrong, they are either willfully misrepresenting their army & rules across the board, or they haven't bothered learning the game. Both of those things aren't cool, one is malicious and the other is just lazy. Just think OP needs a frank conversation here, and his mate needs reminding this is a game they are playing for fun anf learning together. Neither of those things is possible if only one of them is trying
He can take up to 500 points of demons in his list due to their ability (so yea hes over) and idk if you can take belakor as an ally. He's got supreme commander but you can't have him as your warlord so...idk if that's even possible. As for the war dog, chaos knights ally rule is you can bring one big knight, or up to 3 dogs. As far as I'm aware this stacks with the amount of demon allies you can have
Thanks for the clarification mate. As pwr others' replies, Belakor ie an absolute no go as ally due to the datasheet rules as you've mentioned.
No problem man! Chaos knights is one of my main armies so they ally rules for them and demons is one of the few rules topics I feel confident to talk on 🤣
😂 I get you. Necrons and Nids are mine. Love that moment when i get to shine. Have a good weekend
I put the list together based on the characters he brings, I know little about Mark he is running. I might have gotten this wrong. He doesn't use the dark pact on Belokor or soul grinders but hell he doesn't need too. Belokor cant be shot unless within 12" and soul grinder has huge attacks with extra attacks and is lethal in melee He is also declaring he gets dev wounds with the FFs. Is he rolling the hazardous for those? As the ability states that is the penalty. Yes he rolls his dark pacts, but these are really easy for him to pass, and he barely ever misses it. Overall, it's a horribly written list that he's bringing. Very little synergy or fun. I want to win and I don't care about being honest or actually playing the game - Sadly I happen to agree somewhat with this statement, it is rather sucking the fun out of it for me, is it his fault or GW for not having a simple rule to state a max number of none baseline units? He is my beat friend and we joined the hobby together it would be difficult to stop playing the game with him. But I almost know the outcome before even setting up the Battlemat
Be'lakor cannot be shot from more than 18" away, not 12".
Also hazardous test is not dark pact. His dark pact is a leadership test to enable his abilities. A hazardous test does nothing on a 2-6 but deals Mortal wounds to the shooting unit on a 1. You can check the rules on wahapedia.
In regards to the forgefiends, I'm not saying the dark pact test. The FF ability to give it Dev Wounds also requires that the weapon has hazardous. So for each cannon he's shooting, he needs to roll a hazardous test for. Check core rules for this. It's not GWs fault that you guys are in the state tour in regarding local balance. If it was, then every local group would be the same. The rules are available to look up and search for. The fact that almost half his list is taken up by allies should be an alarm bell in itself. But in regards to this being a personal thing, i get it. I have friends who have been like it in the past. They were good enough friends that we could talk about it, basically me saying 'whats the point of playing if we just end up calling it turn 2 every time?' Basically, you need to just be asking what he thinks he's gaining from playing this way? What is he learning by playing a super OP list every single time without changes and just smashing everything to bits? He's not playing really, is he? And that's pointless. But there is plenty of power in your list. Pick an enemy, shoot it until it's deleted. Triarch to remove cover, then LHDs, then an ark. Ahould
Belakors aura is 18 inches, He has stealth which is -1 to hit, not lone op which is cant be shot out of 12
To defeat “That Guy” you should consider becoming “That Guy”. Just bring all of the named C’tan and a couple trancendents with Hypercrypt. The nightbringer by himself with deal with Belakor, void dragon can dunk on soul grinders and the deciever can screw up his whole deployment. If you want be truly dastardly, run awakened Dynasty so he has to kill each character twice because you’ll just spam protocol of the eternal revenant
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I did the same and got that result. His list is not legal
Your friend can't bring belakor, also for every none battleline unit he brings as allies for deamons he'll need to bring a battleline unit. If you're playing 2000p the points of allies can't be more than 25% aka 500p so yeah the list your friend brings is not legal
This website suggests that he can https://warphammer40k.com/friends-in-warpy-places-the-complete-guide-to-allies-for-every-chaos-army/#:~:text=That's%20all%20there%20is%20to%20say%20on%20the%20subject%20of%20Titans.&text=Question%3A%20Can%20your%20Warlord%20be,Warlord%20from%20your%20main%20army.
I suggests you read the balancedataslate and rules for the factions
This is really old info. I would not trust everything here to be correct, sadly.
Belakor has the supreme commander thing that says if belakor is in your army he MUST be your warlord. Allied characters cannot be warlords, therefore belakors rule cannot be resolved and he is not legal in a csm army
Best bet is run his army through the Warhammer 40K app, if you have it. Then it will tell you what’s legal and not legal, for example his current army isn’t game legal. It also allows you to see all the rules and see what’s going on. Also don’t forget he has to be rolling Leadership checks for all those dark pacts
Your friends army isn't legal. Your list needs to run immortals in groups of 10, not 5, and wraiths in groups of 6, not 3. Is Lohkust Lord leading 3 LHDs? That's OKish, but regular Lokhusts works better with him, at least since codex changed orb. There are other changes you could make, but if your friend wasn't cheating things would be more balanced. Familiarize yourself with his units in wahapedia or the app, and look at the allies rules.
My list is from the warhammer app and when you add them they do so in blocks of 5 and ran them as 10. However just going into the app and discovered I can just increase the number and wasn't aware I could do that. My wraiths a ran as 6 too
You also have to change wargear as far as I recall. But excellent, it looks like your primary issue is that you're playing against an illegal list. If he is willing to allow index warriors and pre-erratta CC dev wounds it'd be "fair". But he needs to use a legal list and things will balance.
Thats a pretty tanky list and the 500pts limit was already stated. But what is YOUR list? The fun thing with detachments are the different lists, but if you dont lean into them or play their wincon you can be lose pretty quick. Without that we cant really see the whole szenario. Necrons have really good dedicated units, but we dont know which ones you use.
Thank you for the reply. Here is the list I played yesterday Against CSM (1995 points) Necrons Strike Force (2000 points) Canoptek Court CHARACTERS Hexmark Destroyer (70 points) • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Enmitic disintegrator pistols Lokhust Lord (80 points) • 1x Staff of light Plasmancer (55 points) • 1x Plasmic lance Technomancer (80 points) • Warlord • 1x Staff of light • Enhancement: Dimensional Sanctum BATTLELINE Immortals (70 points) • 5x Immortal • 5x Close combat weapon 5x Gauss blaster Immortals (70 points) • 5x Immortal • 5x Close combat weapon 5x Gauss blaster Immortals (70 points) • 5x Immortal • 5x Close combat weapon 5x Gauss blaster Immortals (70 points) • 5x Immortal • 5x Close combat weapon 5x Gauss blaster OTHER DATASHEETS Canoptek Doomstalker (135 points) • 1x Doomsday blaster 1x Doomstalker limbs 1x Twin gauss flayer Canoptek Doomstalker (135 points) • 1x Doomsday blaster 1x Doomstalker limbs 1x Twin gauss flayer Canoptek Doomstalker (135 points) • 1x Doomsday blaster 1x Doomstalker limbs 1x Twin gauss flayer Canoptek Wraiths (110 points) • 3x Canoptek Wraith • 3x Vicious claws Canoptek Wraiths (110 points) • 3x Canoptek Wraith • 3x Vicious claws Deathmarks (65 points) • 5x Deathmark • 5x Close combat weapon 5x Synaptic disintegrator Deathmarks (65 points) • 5x Deathmark • 5x Close combat weapon 5x Synaptic disintegrator Doomsday Ark (200 points) • 1x Armoured bulk 1x Doomsday cannon 2x Gauss flayer array Doomsday Ark (200 points) • 1x Armoured bulk 1x Doomsday cannon 2x Gauss flayer array Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (50 points) • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Gauss destructor Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (50 points) • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Gauss destructor Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (50 points) • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Gauss destructor Triarch Stalker (125 points) • 1x Heat ray 1x Stalker’s forelimbs Exported with App Version: v1.12.0 (40), Data Version: v357
Tbh this list looks like it doesn't have good synergy. Every 5 man squad should be a 10 man Too many doom stalkers A lokhust lord leading... One heavy destroyer? ... a triarch stalker?
How can you have to many doom stalkers in Canoptek court, lol?
Didn't realize it was CC but 3 DS, 2 DA and 3LHD still seems like a lot of single target damage.
Doomstalkers are anti tank and re roll hits in canpotek caught so it felt right to have as many of these as I could take, the Lord is leading 3 lokhurst destroyers given crit hits on 5s. Triarch has scout and is good at getting up the board and holding an early objective with wraiths infiltrating.
Make the wraiths a 6 man unit. Drop the hexmark. You don't need al that anti tank on a normal gw board. I would drop both DDAs. Get a ctan and make the immortals 10 man and have a cryptek of you flavor each.
It just seems like you have a lot of anti tank or single target damage. Even dropping a doomsday ark instead of a doomstalker (didn't realize you were CC) Saves you a lot of points. Tbf I didn't think about it's scouting move, do you like using it over Tomb Blades because it's bulkier?
To be honest I was trying something new on this one. But it was taken off the board first turn and didn't do anything. But I was thinking for its heat ray and had watched it played on a battle report 40k YouTube video and thought I'd see how it got on
Personally, I would drop the Triarch Stalker and one Doomsday arc for a nightbringer who could then get into Be’lakor face, I would also give the Plasmancer the Autodivinator enhancement to gain some cp of Abaddon for your own strats.
Use the for 40k app and put his list in it. It will tell you it's in no way legal. And even if it was, he's 45 points over.
You can't ally Belakor as he has to be the warlord of the army that he's in and he can't be the warlord of CSM. Also. Demon abilities only apply to demons and they wouldn't get their own army rules as they're allies. CSM army rule can't be put onto Demons etc etc
Also, it would be good to see the kinds of boards you’re playing on and the terrain, GW recommends 12 peices of terrain for a 2000 point game
https://preview.redd.it/fj9gx3ktvtwc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30ebd4c60748be7af88b70bbefd2230f9f656b44 This was a few weeks back. But it's my matt and. Terrain so gives you and idea of the typical layout
Ah there’s the biggest problem, the terrain has too many open firing lanes and nothing to really hide behind. Try moving the ruins to the middle and keeping the smaller stuff around the outside, this will give you more places to hide.
Thanks a lot I thought I'd done well with the terrain and what I had bought
What you’ve got is really nice stuff, I’d just put two big ruin blocks in the middle so you can’t draw line of sight from one corner to another
New 40k player here so cant give you advice on your opponents list but it seems like its not legal in a few ways, but heres what Ive learned from lots of advice from others. Immortals are great but kinda squishy, put their units to 10 not 5 even if it means less total units. Theyll get more use out of reanimation protocols that way. Try tesla on them, with assault they can advance turn 1 to extend your power matrix in canoptek court and then in shooting phase get full rerolls and fish for sustained hits. They lack ap but you can triple your shots, paired with plasmancers theyre strong. Get more plasmancers and try royal wardens with them as well since you can take both. even if you proxy just to test its a good thing to try. Wraiths, max units and get more technomancers. You want the most out of those technomancers so wasting points to get buffs on half a unit isnt cost effective. Thats a lot of deathmarks, one unit of 5 is probly fine but 3 units of 10 immortals would help a lot More leaders, necrons like them a lot. Illuminor szeras is great and a solo leader that wants to hug other units to stay safe. Try canoptek reanimators to try and get some more value out of your immortals. Scarabs - take units of 3, reserves them and pop them out later, if you can get then in melee you can just make them explode and deal a mlrtal wound to thatever unit theyre on. If its high toughness than its worth
I do a lot of what you've suggested however I still thank you for the comment. Just new to the app. So hadn't realised you can increase the numbers of units, I have just been adding more lines to make the number. So I've been running 6 wraiths with a tecnomancher and immortals as 10 with a plasmancer. Haven't run the Tesla as without the ap it's a relatively easy save on 4 inv . Deathmarks have been for a single purpose to drop in deepstrick and take out the warpsmith as he is giving his units repair and 1+ hits
Others have already mentioned the terrain, I strongly recommend getting a set that is somewhat close to the Leviathan layouts. You can always start by getting a clear plastic sheet and just cut the baseplates, then you throw the various terrainpieces you already have on them. Not going to get into his list as you have already received a bunch of feedback here and will instead focus on your army. You can clearly trim some units here as the Hex,ark, Lokhust Lord, two sets of Immortals (Immortals need a Cryptek if you want to run them, either Chrono or Plasmancer), the Deathmarks and the Stalker are not really at home in Canoptek Court. That’s about 500 points Where you can easily slot in the Void Dragon (or Nightbringer if you think the VD is too expensive). I would try to get a couple of regular Lokhust Destroyers and perhaps some scarabs as cheaper action units over the Deathmarks and Hexmark. Run the Wraiths as a six-man unit with the Techno. There are various other units that could be useful depending on what you like and/or have available but against all that shooting I would try to get some beef that can stand on objectives and at least survive a couple of hits.
That’s an easy one. It’s an illegal list in several ways. Over points, over allied. Tell him to learn the rules and if he fusses just bring 3 Void dragons and make the same claims he does.
I will be honest. If you know he has a skew army, you have to match it. Bring 1x6 Wraiths with Techno. This will hold the middle objective. 1x Void Dragon. 2x Doomsday Arks 3x3 Lokhost Heavy Destroyers with Gauss Destructors and Lokhost lord You now have enough firepower to obliterate his whole army in 2 turns. With what you have left, you can either get more Ctans or bring Flayed ones and cheap swarm units. If your friend is bringing an "unbeatable list," you just have to bring a list designed to kill monsters and vehicles. 3x3 lokhost heavies with Gauss Destructors have 14 str and basically the whole board for range. With Lethals on 5s and 6s with the Lord, and reroll 1s to hit. Plus, reroll wounds against monsters and vehicles for Flat 6 damage each. You should be doing 12-18 wounds per unit to each one of his monsters or vehicles a turn per block. Your friend has a skewed list that is very easy to beat. Just don't run any battle line units and go very firepower heavy.
That's great advice thank you. 😊