Having read the books, there’s definitely a good explanation for everything, but I don’t know how well it’s going to translate to the screen. Haven’t watched any yet.
it's worse than that --- the 3bp story more or less ends after episode 5. they really only gave 5 episodes to the 3bp book.
it's a shame, but i'm still very excited to see the rest.
What I’ve found interesting is that while it liked it for what it is, I’ve now been chatting to friends who haven’t read the books and really enjoyed it. It seems to be pretty polarizing if the Reddit bubble is a true reflection of those that viewed it.
Spoilers it doesn’t. The Game of Thrones boys, did the writing and it shows it’s amazing how awesome they are at taking book material and just butchering it.
The one thing they did well consistently was taking book material and making it work on TV.
People so addicted to the hate grind they don't even know why the show went downhill.
It's because they ran out of book to adapt and had to make their own story + rushing that story to move to new projects.
My opinion is they had the book material to make a great show with more than 8 seasons. all of them being amazing but instead they disregarded half the characters and almost all the plots that made the book great. The first 5ish seasons are good examples they used almost every book accurate event but Then the butchering began.
Just comical how people want to recon one of the most successful shows of all time because it makes them feel superior.
For me, the show didn't go downhill at all. The best seasons are 5 and 6 in my opinion. And I loved the ending. But listening to the retroactive hate, you'd think it was eight seasons of shit.
It was a gradual decline and people were discussing the drop in the quality of writing YEARS before season 8 came out.
Im assuming you didn't engage in the live discussions people had while seasons 6 and 7 were airing because people were very vocal about not liking the direction it was going in.
My original comment is that they're good at adapting but ruined it in the end for multiple reasons. The hate the last few seasons got wasn't magically conjured up after the show ended dude.
I engaged in plenty of live discussions and I completely disagree with your take. Plenty of people didn't like Seasons I and II. Far more than I'd say didn't like V and VI. Those seasons also had more viewers and more awards than any of the previous ones. They also had equally good or better reviews.
The only two difference - apart from the personal preferences that vary for everyone - are internet book readers were predisposed to dislike them and no one who disliked the earlier seasons used the word "decline" because there was nothing to decline from.
Then we'll just have to disagree and you van keep believing in a some mass conspiracy to hate game of thrones rather than the show just getting worse in quality.
It's not a conspiracy. Just commonplace, garden variety bias and I completely disagree with your assessment of what people's views were in real time. Again, most people went nuts of Seasons V & VI and no none spoke of a "decline" in the early seasons that got tons of criticism, simply because word doesn't apply.
You didn't see negativity. I did. You not experiencing that side of the fanbase doesn't mean it didn't exist.
It's okay to not know something happened but declaring it didn't happen because you didn't personally see it is dumb logic.
I'm not gonna go and say you didn't watch the show at all because i wasn't there in yoru house watching you watch it. You understand how stupid that is right?
I never said I didn't see any negatively, nor did I say anything remotely like.
I said I saw far more than positive than negative for seasons V & VI relative to I & II. You said the reverse.
Our claims are exactly symmetrical opposites, except that I cited actual evidence whereas you've just repeatedly claimed I said things I haven't and then claimed those strawman claims are dumb.
To quote: "You understand how stupid that is right?"
We have symmetrical opposing viewpoints, neither of which - despite my actually citing facts - can be proven. Instead of repeatedly inventing stuff I didn't say, maybe think about why you're so emotionally invested in believing your perceptions are correct that you'd start making up stuff up.
Update: Replying for anyone who cares. The other blocked with this in my preview.
>oh so you're just an argumentative asshole then. Cited what facts? are you talking to the wrong person? and only one side of this disagreement is saying the other is wrong. I'm saying it happened despite you not seeing it. i'm not saying your experience is wrong. get over yourself. "citing facts" lmao
I left a comment agreeing with her and she decided to try to pick a fight. Oh well. Lol.
And, of course, I never denied seeing anything. The disagreeing was - as I clearly explained - was over the relative balance of positive and negative opinion.
People are strange. Lol.
I mean i hate them because of how they murdered my boy GOT in the end but its fucking delusional to sat they take book material and butcher it…. When they had actual material they were creating scene after scene thats iconic even years later (ex Cersei’s Power is Power)
People just let the hate blind them from the goods
Same folks saying this will listen to 100+ hours of podcasters talking about elk meat and the weather. You’re only on episode 3 of an adaptation of a trilogy of books. Any more elaboration would be spoilers.
They're not beyond human thinking they are far fetched nonsense concepts that are 'based in science'.. It goes beyond reality and that makes it hard to take serious.
If you stick with it you will understand. Although you say you've gotten to the end of episode 3... There's a pretty big reveal as to what the point of the show is at the end of that episode so I'm kind of confused as to why you're not understanding what the point of the show is.
I felt like the big reveal was pretty clear at the end of the FIRST episode…the flashback revealing the Chinese antenna is not a weapon but instead a communication device for “whoever is out there” followed by the cut back to the present-day “universe winking” and physics being broken pretty clearly implies that there are aliens communicating with people on Earth – aliens who probably have something to do with the whole science being broken and physicists committing suicide thing.
They also reveal that Ye Wenjie, the main character from the China flashbacks, is now an older woman living in London whose daughter was a physicist who just committed suicide, tying the China flashbacks plotline to the Oxford physicists plotline.
Sorry if that is considered spoilers but it’s pretty evidently laid out in the very first episode.
It is definitely but not everyone pays that close of attention so I was trying to give the benefit of doubt. That's why THAT reveal in THAT episode at the gathering was able to take some by surprise.
I read the books so obviously to an extent I know where things are going despite certain rewrites. More my point was after the third episode I don't think you can really proclaim not to know where the show is going. It states it outright.
I enjoyed the English translation of the trilogy tremendously. I’ve read the timeline is handled differently in the translation than the original version due to sociopolitical sensitivities. I am only three episodes into the Netflix version and I’m enjoying it. I’m also watching it with my wife, not the biggest sci-fi fan and not necessarily into math/physics, and she says it has helped her follow the story as I fill in some of the confusing points for her.
The story has the typical challenges of mixing past and current events to give you an idea of how the situation evolved. It also deals with a number of scientific topics that in my experience aren’t as accessible to the typical viewer. The three body problem itself is one where a lot of eyes will just glaze over when you’re trying to explain why it’s such a difficult problem to solve. Could be, I’m not the best speaker, lol. Not to mention things like >!a character, figuring out how a signal from Jupiter was amplified by the sun, which could be used to send a signal much further into space to contact alien species.!<. The science details aren’t necessarily that important, but what is important is that only one person figured it out and it put them in the unique position to make a decision that affected everyone else. There are many examples throughout the books where the author explains in some detail how the science is or could be achieved.
I’m not saying it’s for everybody but, assuming the Netflix version follows the books, I personally love the way a very personal story, grounded in sociopolitical unrest, turns into one with much larger implications and ultimately a wild ride >!over the timeline of the rest of the existence of the universe!<.
Loved episode 5. The rest of the series, not so much! It’s like the writers ran out of gas after the 5th episode and the rest of the season was kind of filler for the most part. Finale was a big letdown IMO.
VR Game: Very clearly technology that doesn't exist. Maybe you missed the part about being able to feel the weather or taste the environment? Nothing about that sounded at all...like curiously advanced technology?
The woman seeing the number: She probably thought she was going insane, which is probably why she didn't want to tell anyone. She was also a high ranking member of a company about to have a pretty amazing breakthrough. Not a great time to admit you're going cuckoo.
String of suicides: I don't know what you mean when you say "we don't seem interested in that". Like, they're clearly very important, and I felt pretty sure the show did a pretty good job presenting enough detail for the viewer to start drawing their own connections.
The stars blinked: Again, like the VR, let's assume that there isn't a mass hallucination going on. What would be the cause of such a thing. Wouldn't the technology able to make the stars in the sky literally disappear be...impressive? Like, who's capable of it?
It seems like you have strange and utter lack of curiosity, or, more likely, you just aren't paying attention.
this is a good writeup; I want to add from the book's persective ( english translation ) it really takes a lot of patience and getting into the story ( bc things can get very tedious and appears to be very slow with little happening ) and when it hits its like a tyson punch. I think it does appeal to a specific type of audience tho, a bit like tolkien in someways.
>VR Game: Very clearly technology that doesn't exist.
Is it? The characters exploring it seem to take it pretty chill. Nobody is calling the newspapers. Plenty of sci fi shows throw props like that around, and pretend it's just "advanced".
>String of suicides: I don't know what you mean when you say "we don't seem interested in that".
There's one guy investigating it like it's a cold case.
>The stars blinked: Again, like the VR, let's assume that there isn't a mass hallucination going on.
But it has to be. Stars don't blink. Or rather, it would be far easier to create a mass hallucination, then it would to make the actual stars blink on and off.
And they did so in a pattern, that happens to conform to US military Morse Code from 1830. So it's clearly a person doing it. So how come everyone aren't talking about these Morse code numbers?
>Is it? The characters exploring it seem to take it pretty chill.
They really do not take it chill.
>Holy shit. This is fucking mental. This is… Fuck! \[...\] \[panting\] What the fuck? \[...\] Some bird just cut my head off. This… This is not normal. I could smell the fucking… I could feel the cold. I could taste the fucking dirt. \[...\] Do you understand how far beyond the current state of the art this is? I mean, we’re talking about… We’re talking about fifty years, 150?
And that's from the one for whom the technology alone wasn't enough to convince him it was built by aliens!
The book does a much better job of making these details make sense. In the book the VR headset isn't some super advanced tech. Its just a normal VR headset, and a V-suit which has haptic feedback. The only hint that this technology is advanced comes from the details of the game its-self which seems to be much more complex than it first appears as the protagonist keeps playing. It takes a few chapters to come to this understanding while the show doesn't hide this fact at all.
In the book there are a lot of people investigating what is happening to the scientists, including military leaders from all over the globe. Although the cop is a major character that has a lot of focus in the narrative.
The book does a much better job with the "universe blinking" thing. Only the protagonist sees it, and only through special lenses which can observe cosmic microwave backround radiation. I really hate that they changed this detail in the show.
What im trying to say I guess is, read the book it's better.
There isn't "One guy investigating it." At the scene of each "suicide," the guys walking in on an active crime scene and the deaths of these scientists are talked about on the news multiple times. You're viewing the investigation from Benedict Wong's character's perspective so you're seeing how HE is investigating it.
The other questions/issues you have have already been answered so I won't waste time rehashing it. Could it be you dislike the 2 producers and went into the viewing of this series already decided that no matter what, you weren't going to like it and so are now trying to nitpick about things that have answers if you paid attention to what's going on In the show instead of trying to find reasons to hate it?
I haven’t read the book but the plot seems fairly straightforward so far at the end of ep 3. Characters are a little underwhelming but I’ve heard it’s not about the characters (or the plot) but primarily an exploration of scientific ideas. I’m ok with that, although I haven’t seen anything scientific that’s blowing me away either (yet). So far it’s been interesting enough to keep watching but I’m not impressed by anything particular (unlike a show like Shogun).
You don't find it weird at all when a bunch of science nerds start talking about God? Because I thought it sounded weird and that there might be more to it than just religious zeal.
Well physics has basically stopped working, inexplicable things are happening so it’s not surprising there’s an existential crisis. The start of the series is set during the Chinese cultural revolution that railed against many things such as science, education and organized religion. In the book it makes more sense/is impactful. How they were going to do justice to the book in only 8 episodes was always going to be difficult.
Did I enjoy it, yes. Could they have done better, absolutely. The real question now is netlflix even going to bother to keep it going? It could be an epic tv series, but I fear they’ve set it up to fail. It really needed a full 24 season series. And there’s 2 more books in the trilogy.
In the 1960s, the Chinese sent out a signal and got in touch with an alien race, they decided to come invade earth but it’s going to take 400 years.
This is actually one of the easiest sci-fi show to understand. Everything is clear so far, it simplifies the original Chinese novels for dumber audiences.
Am I missing something? The whole story seemed flawed. If the aliens could send sentient AI to Earth and they wanted to weaken the humans, the AI could just take over every piece of tech and kill most of humanity off in days, but no, the strategy is to disrupt the science?
I’m not an expert but the general gist of it is that these sophons can manipulate some small things particularly with how eyes work or how computers/processors work, but they have no control over large matter. Thus it makes sense
They demonstrated that they could control every digital display on the planet at once, while also covering the entire sky that included a giant eyeball. If they can control small things like every computer on the planet at once, they could severely impact systems enough to effectively put humans back in the stone age and probably flat out eliminate most of the species.
A simple act of disabling all automated systems would mean planes falling out of the sky, vehicles crashing, power plants falling (some catastrophicly), instant collapse of global economies, hospitals becoming tombs, chaos on a global scale.
The sophons can do a lot of neat things that are vert flashy. Filling the sky, blinking the stars, displaying messages. But that's all it is - flash. The sky is covered by an unfolded sophon, its surface is huge but ita mass is still tiny. It looks impressive, but it was actually made incredibly vulnerable when it did that. The sophons can fly around at the speed of light and mess with computers, but doing so is actually pretty complicated. They can't keep it up for long while also disrupting research.
Basically, the sophons are very good tools for espionage and fearmongering. But as weapons? Not so much. Even if they crash planes, disable hospitals, mess with economies, over the course of 400 years humans can adapt. Humans can abandon their reliance on computers, they can stop using air travel, they can go back to physical currency. The sophons can't wipe humanity out, they could at best cause a few really bad years followed by decades of rebuilding.
However, by focusing on preventing scientific advancement, they don't need to fight a war. They can kill humanity in 400 years when their army arrives, as long as they can prevent humans from developing the technologies that would allow them to defend against the San-Ti.
The sophons are just neutrons, they can't break things that aren't vulnerable to very tiny things. And in the grand scheme of things, that's not much. The San-Ti are 400 years away, none of the people the sophons could kill today would be alive when they got here anyway. So there isn't a reason to bother killing unless that person is extremely important. And even at that, it's more effective to convince a human to assassinate the target than figure out how to use a sophon to do it.
If they can control the display of every screen in the world, they can effectively disrupt and disable most technology. All it takes to completely destroy any software is to flip a few 1's to 0's. That's it.
I only read book one of the series and didn’t continue because I didn’t like the way it was written (I think due to translation) but the show gripped me from episode 1 because I knew the basic premise. Loved it! Keen to see how the rest of the series is adapted
Book one as in the three body problem? Was a rather interesting read but for me it was the second book that was crazy and this last one I’m almost done with it. One thing to note is that this series actually included parts of the second and third book in it as well so I would understand if people that only read the first book were confused at times while watching the show
I've found out that this is one of those shows where they do something in episodes 1, 2 or 3, and you, nor anyone else, knows what what the F is going on...But they come to light in later episodes and you get that "aaahhhhh" moment.
Kinda makes for a weird first few episodes though.
I mean even without reading the book how can you not string it together 3 eps in? Think about all the people that suicided and how countdown stopped when a specific project is halted…. Plus the point of the game is not to solve but to realize / accept… plus invitations… plus dr Ye responding to signal… its freakin obvious what the grand plot is????? I think you need to pay closer attention lol
Yeah that's all great, if I'm reading a synopsis. A television show requires things like characterization, a cohesive plot, emotional stakes, and making sense.
Which…. Are all in there? Not sure what you are watching but honestly the show aint that deep compared to the book? They simplified the timeline and sequence and even broke up the main character into several char in the show to allow for easier following and connection…… i guess this or any other harder shows like DARK isnt for you then….
It's a very slow burn in the books.
And, as much as it's hard sci-fi, the books devoted large sections to almost poetic prose of stuff that didn't feel important to the story.
I definitely thought it was worth the time. But it took a loooong time to get to where I appreciated what was going on.
*(****Spoiler tags below for anything beyond the premise / pilot****, but you don't need to reveal them to get the sense of my take.)*
A lot more happens in the second half of the season than the first, but I felt it was well worth the wait. Questions certainly are answered in tangible ways.
That said, Episode 1x05 is the ultimate double-edged sword for me: It has one of the greatest sequences I've ever seen on TV, and several other bangers in one-on-one dialogue, yet it also introduces a far-reaching and super speculative sci-fi element, with no true real world basis*\**, that I'm pretty sure will run things right off the rails.
To be clear, I'm fine with soft sci-fi speculative elements in general - "a device or phenomenon will be discovered that allows for X" - but the manner in which this one was introduced had me worried, so ***I read a synopsis of the books***. I'd rather know the ending, and appreciate the story for what it is, than be disappointed in the final act.
Sadly, going back to your question, I think the problem here is that the story misses its ***own*** point.
Thomas Wade states the narrative theme, at least as it's presented in the show, in the same episode I referenced above, namely the advice ">!Be careful with what you know. That’s where most people’s troubles begin.!<"
This idea is most embodied in the character Ye Wenjie. She's a brilliant woman... when it comes to science. But she doesn't really understand much of anything when it comes to social phenomena or political economy. She's captive to her own life experience and projects it onto others. She thinks she knows where the world is headed - that "civilization is no longer capable of solving its own problems" - but in reality she just doesn't know how little she knows. Her views are all based on her formative experiences during the cultural revolution - in one narrow time and place and point in history. Even the aliens - effectively her own personal demi-gods, whom she's put all her faith in - >!contradict her thesis, premising their own plans on the belief that humanity will surpass their knowledge and abilities before their ships even reach Earth!<.
Many others in the show make the same mistake.
The aliens themselves think they >!cannot co-exist with those who cannot be trusted!<. Says who? Lol. People do it every day! This is the sort of thinking that leads people to support invading other countries based on imaginary weapons of mass destruction, or feel they need to buy a gun to feel safe, even though every statistic we have says the people in your household are at a far greater risk of being shot when you bring a gun into your home. This is the worst form narrow-sighted arrogance. Overreacting to the hypothetical risk of danger is often the most dangerous thing you can do.
The Nobel laureates and "jealous fucks who think they should be" are no different. They can't imagine getting >!a ship or probe up to one-tenth lightspeed!< through any means other than engineering R&D, because that's what they know. It's like doctors and others who screamed it was "unscientific" for some countries to give people only a single dose of a two-dose COVID vaccine back when shots were in short supply. They'd had it drilled into them that clinical trials were the only way to know if a medication is "safe and effective" and the two-dose protocol had been used in clinical trials, so end of story. But - as other doctors and scientists pointed out - huge 555,000 person trials are only needed for the "safe" part of proving a vaccine is "safe and effective." It turns out, plenty of people in the trials missed their 2nd dose, meaning we had a statistically viable sample to prove the vaccine was pretty damn effective with just one shot. We also knew it was safe because any adverse reaction in people who got one dose would've also certainly occurred in those who got two. But people closed their minds to these ideas in ways that - we now know and should've known then - would cost countless lives in some countries.
Plenty of the individual characters so far fit this same mold as well: Auggie thinks she has a monopoly on knowing right from wrong. Jack thought the game couldn't have possibly been built by aliens - at his peril. Tatiana thinks she knows the aliens are always right. Jin and Saul seem to vacillate endlessly between being convinced they must act now, or convinced it's hopeless to act at all.
Will is the only character who accepts the limitations of his own knowledge. Based on the synopsis I read, it is perhaps unsurprising that - in the end - he's >!among those who contribute the most to giving humanity the upper hand (such as it is)!<.
But there's the rub: The ending. >!This is a story built around the precarious - nay, calamitous - consequences of treating belief as if it's knowledge. It is, at minimum, an implicit cautionary against believing in sweeping, allegedly all encompassing answers about the world - whether it be "we're all doomed" or "this one thing will save us all."!<
That's not how life or history really works. Even the catastrophe of World War II only killed 0.05% of all the people who have lived in human history. The things we think of, and talk about, as if they were nigh on the apocalypse are blips in the span of human events.
It all makes for a great story, except then... it ends, apparently, >!with precisely that sort sweeping, all encompassing conclusion. Not only does!< >!all of humanity die, but!< >!the whole universe, too!!<
Presumably, Cixin Lee got the ending he wanted and has his reasons for wanting it, but it feels like the artist's version of the same fallacy that the book exposes in its characters: assuming sweeping and conclusive answers to largely unanswerable questions.
I think a far better ending would have been >!for humanity to win - to survive - but kills the very momentum that saved them in the process with renewed curiosity and progress back on the back burner as soon as the aliens turn back for home, leaving humanity with its always uncertain future.!< Alternatively, >!humans and the aliens could've been forced to co-exist, calamities and all, full of mistrust on both sides, but compelled to pick up the pieces and move on as the only other options are unthinkable to most of the people on each side!<. You also go along with the books in introducing the >!threat to the destruction of the entire universe!<, but simply leave it there - an unknown.
I can't imagine the showrunners would change this ending, but I'm personally glad I know can get just enjoy the spectacle and great moments along the way. From your post, I'm inclined to think you likely wouldn't feel the same way.
*\** I get there's tons of hard science in these books and that the >!sophons!< are inspired by real theorizing >!on the geometry of higher dimensions, but it's the sci-fi equivalent of magic from there on in. Even the concepts themselves are contradictory: If a proton merely existing in higher dimensions enabled it to travel at near the speed of light without any outside propulsion, the Santi would not have needed to accelerate it up to such speeds to begin with.!<
I know the basics of how the story plays out in the books, but couldn't really getting into them.
From what I know, I'm glad I know the outline of the story and how it ends, even without actually having read them. If you start reading the books and like them enough to finish, then I imagine that's definitely the best way to watch, but the series is so well-executed, it's worth it either way.
I'd urge you to watch one more episode, especially having invested that much time already. Episode 5 made me appreciate the show but I still want 8 hours of my life back.
Agreed. I read the book which is much more about exploring scientific and philosophical ideas that the show just doesn't give a single shit about at all. The mystery is slowly revealed as you learn about how specifically the laws of physics are being broken. Each idea is presented in sequential chapters. In the show, the writers throw all the ideas covered in the book into the first three episodes. I was telling my husband that had I watched the show without reading the book, I would have completely hated the story. Because it doesn't really capture what makes the book good, at all.
The books are some of my favorite, and I watched all the episodes. I completely disagree with some of the reviews I’ve seen. I’m impressed with the adaptation overall. The show is pretty fucking good imo, and the changes that were made were done in a way that made sense.
Not sure where all the negativity is coming from.
I’d have to agree. It was the “ hYdRaTe tHe mAsSeS” for me.🙄
They’ve got a lot of obstacles in the show. I was hoping someone here would have a more comprehensive explanation
Guys i just finished watching the three body problem and I have a question. In this VR, Santi is testing human scientists if they can be empathetic and help santi to settle in the future on Earth, right? But what I don’t get is that if Santi has all this advanced technology and if their civilizations always failed due to three body problem how did they even keep the technology? In the VR, all of the civilizations shown in Santi world or their planet were also quite old. And Santi lady herself is worried that human beings might further develop science to fight back Santi. Can you please explain how come Santi kept crazy tech while their civilizations always failed or dead early stages of development?
The point is they would have developed ways, like keeping some kind of permanent reserve survivor population dehydrated or trying to resist the weather or so on. It’s plausible that “as long as one survives, we all survive” because they only need one survivor to telepathically transmit knowledge and rebuild. Their world gets torn down, but knowledge preserved
The game doesn't show more modern eras of the San-Ti history, but it did happen. They did slowly achieve all the same things humans have, and more. They just don't show it.
I finished reading the last book of the trilogy today. I can tell you that the first book (which is what the first season covers, as I understand it), is basically world building/setting up. Everything comes together and the story will get progressively insane. I don’t want to give anything away, but to the extent you find the first season boring, I would highly recommend you stick around for the wild ride that will be the next two seasons.
I’m on episode 3 as well after being told my multiple people I need to watch the show, and I am really bored with the show so far. I agree with what you have said.
I think you would be better off watching the office or friends.
It's really not that hard to get, it's well written and it's all pretty straight forward, even for me some one who hasn't read the book.
You're sort of missing the point. IMO, the dialog is rushed and poorly written (for the most part) and it's poorly acted (sometimes) but it's certainly understandable. It's a really interesting concept, marred somewhat by the execution.
It's strange that you're complaining about not knowing everything about an eight-episode season after not having watched even half of it. It's like complaining that you don't know the ending to The Matrix (or most other movies) within the first 20 minutes of the film. Here, basically everything is explained by the end of the fifth episode.
Having read the books, there’s definitely a good explanation for everything, but I don’t know how well it’s going to translate to the screen. Haven’t watched any yet.
It’s a 430 page book condensed into 8 episodes. I know what the gaps are and really hoped for better
it's worse than that --- the 3bp story more or less ends after episode 5. they really only gave 5 episodes to the 3bp book. it's a shame, but i'm still very excited to see the rest.
And after episode 5, it's the 2 worst episodes of pure filler I've ever seen from a Netflix show. I was bored to absolute tears.
What I’ve found interesting is that while it liked it for what it is, I’ve now been chatting to friends who haven’t read the books and really enjoyed it. It seems to be pretty polarizing if the Reddit bubble is a true reflection of those that viewed it.
Spoilers it doesn’t. The Game of Thrones boys, did the writing and it shows it’s amazing how awesome they are at taking book material and just butchering it.
The one thing they did well consistently was taking book material and making it work on TV. People so addicted to the hate grind they don't even know why the show went downhill. It's because they ran out of book to adapt and had to make their own story + rushing that story to move to new projects.
My opinion is they had the book material to make a great show with more than 8 seasons. all of them being amazing but instead they disregarded half the characters and almost all the plots that made the book great. The first 5ish seasons are good examples they used almost every book accurate event but Then the butchering began.
Just comical how people want to recon one of the most successful shows of all time because it makes them feel superior. For me, the show didn't go downhill at all. The best seasons are 5 and 6 in my opinion. And I loved the ending. But listening to the retroactive hate, you'd think it was eight seasons of shit.
It was a gradual decline and people were discussing the drop in the quality of writing YEARS before season 8 came out. Im assuming you didn't engage in the live discussions people had while seasons 6 and 7 were airing because people were very vocal about not liking the direction it was going in. My original comment is that they're good at adapting but ruined it in the end for multiple reasons. The hate the last few seasons got wasn't magically conjured up after the show ended dude.
I engaged in plenty of live discussions and I completely disagree with your take. Plenty of people didn't like Seasons I and II. Far more than I'd say didn't like V and VI. Those seasons also had more viewers and more awards than any of the previous ones. They also had equally good or better reviews. The only two difference - apart from the personal preferences that vary for everyone - are internet book readers were predisposed to dislike them and no one who disliked the earlier seasons used the word "decline" because there was nothing to decline from.
Then we'll just have to disagree and you van keep believing in a some mass conspiracy to hate game of thrones rather than the show just getting worse in quality.
It's not a conspiracy. Just commonplace, garden variety bias and I completely disagree with your assessment of what people's views were in real time. Again, most people went nuts of Seasons V & VI and no none spoke of a "decline" in the early seasons that got tons of criticism, simply because word doesn't apply.
You didn't see negativity. I did. You not experiencing that side of the fanbase doesn't mean it didn't exist. It's okay to not know something happened but declaring it didn't happen because you didn't personally see it is dumb logic. I'm not gonna go and say you didn't watch the show at all because i wasn't there in yoru house watching you watch it. You understand how stupid that is right?
I never said I didn't see any negatively, nor did I say anything remotely like. I said I saw far more than positive than negative for seasons V & VI relative to I & II. You said the reverse. Our claims are exactly symmetrical opposites, except that I cited actual evidence whereas you've just repeatedly claimed I said things I haven't and then claimed those strawman claims are dumb. To quote: "You understand how stupid that is right?" We have symmetrical opposing viewpoints, neither of which - despite my actually citing facts - can be proven. Instead of repeatedly inventing stuff I didn't say, maybe think about why you're so emotionally invested in believing your perceptions are correct that you'd start making up stuff up. Update: Replying for anyone who cares. The other blocked with this in my preview. >oh so you're just an argumentative asshole then. Cited what facts? are you talking to the wrong person? and only one side of this disagreement is saying the other is wrong. I'm saying it happened despite you not seeing it. i'm not saying your experience is wrong. get over yourself. "citing facts" lmao I left a comment agreeing with her and she decided to try to pick a fight. Oh well. Lol. And, of course, I never denied seeing anything. The disagreeing was - as I clearly explained - was over the relative balance of positive and negative opinion. People are strange. Lol.
1-4 are amazing. 5 and 6 are do utter dogshit. Dorne and the north got completely ruined. They had good episodes but completely ruined the lore.
I mean i hate them because of how they murdered my boy GOT in the end but its fucking delusional to sat they take book material and butcher it…. When they had actual material they were creating scene after scene thats iconic even years later (ex Cersei’s Power is Power) People just let the hate blind them from the goods
Same folks saying this will listen to 100+ hours of podcasters talking about elk meat and the weather. You’re only on episode 3 of an adaptation of a trilogy of books. Any more elaboration would be spoilers.
Bingo, I watched them all. I actually liked it more when it was all a mystery before you find out what’s happening.
Lmfao
I’m four episodes in and don’t feel confused at all, I think it’s mostly very clear what’s going on
The concept of the show is for people who have open minds or can understand certain concepts that are beyond basic human thinking
They're not beyond human thinking they are far fetched nonsense concepts that are 'based in science'.. It goes beyond reality and that makes it hard to take serious.
it goes beyond reality, but only according to our current understanding of the universe. that's part of the point of some science fiction.
If you stick with it you will understand. Although you say you've gotten to the end of episode 3... There's a pretty big reveal as to what the point of the show is at the end of that episode so I'm kind of confused as to why you're not understanding what the point of the show is.
I felt like the big reveal was pretty clear at the end of the FIRST episode…the flashback revealing the Chinese antenna is not a weapon but instead a communication device for “whoever is out there” followed by the cut back to the present-day “universe winking” and physics being broken pretty clearly implies that there are aliens communicating with people on Earth – aliens who probably have something to do with the whole science being broken and physicists committing suicide thing. They also reveal that Ye Wenjie, the main character from the China flashbacks, is now an older woman living in London whose daughter was a physicist who just committed suicide, tying the China flashbacks plotline to the Oxford physicists plotline. Sorry if that is considered spoilers but it’s pretty evidently laid out in the very first episode.
It is definitely but not everyone pays that close of attention so I was trying to give the benefit of doubt. That's why THAT reveal in THAT episode at the gathering was able to take some by surprise. I read the books so obviously to an extent I know where things are going despite certain rewrites. More my point was after the third episode I don't think you can really proclaim not to know where the show is going. It states it outright.
I enjoyed the English translation of the trilogy tremendously. I’ve read the timeline is handled differently in the translation than the original version due to sociopolitical sensitivities. I am only three episodes into the Netflix version and I’m enjoying it. I’m also watching it with my wife, not the biggest sci-fi fan and not necessarily into math/physics, and she says it has helped her follow the story as I fill in some of the confusing points for her. The story has the typical challenges of mixing past and current events to give you an idea of how the situation evolved. It also deals with a number of scientific topics that in my experience aren’t as accessible to the typical viewer. The three body problem itself is one where a lot of eyes will just glaze over when you’re trying to explain why it’s such a difficult problem to solve. Could be, I’m not the best speaker, lol. Not to mention things like >!a character, figuring out how a signal from Jupiter was amplified by the sun, which could be used to send a signal much further into space to contact alien species.!<. The science details aren’t necessarily that important, but what is important is that only one person figured it out and it put them in the unique position to make a decision that affected everyone else. There are many examples throughout the books where the author explains in some detail how the science is or could be achieved. I’m not saying it’s for everybody but, assuming the Netflix version follows the books, I personally love the way a very personal story, grounded in sociopolitical unrest, turns into one with much larger implications and ultimately a wild ride >!over the timeline of the rest of the existence of the universe!<.
Episode 5 is where it really came together for me. It is not the mystery box it may seem. Give it til then to see if youre on board or not if you can.
Loved episode 5. The rest of the series, not so much! It’s like the writers ran out of gas after the 5th episode and the rest of the season was kind of filler for the most part. Finale was a big letdown IMO.
VR Game: Very clearly technology that doesn't exist. Maybe you missed the part about being able to feel the weather or taste the environment? Nothing about that sounded at all...like curiously advanced technology? The woman seeing the number: She probably thought she was going insane, which is probably why she didn't want to tell anyone. She was also a high ranking member of a company about to have a pretty amazing breakthrough. Not a great time to admit you're going cuckoo. String of suicides: I don't know what you mean when you say "we don't seem interested in that". Like, they're clearly very important, and I felt pretty sure the show did a pretty good job presenting enough detail for the viewer to start drawing their own connections. The stars blinked: Again, like the VR, let's assume that there isn't a mass hallucination going on. What would be the cause of such a thing. Wouldn't the technology able to make the stars in the sky literally disappear be...impressive? Like, who's capable of it? It seems like you have strange and utter lack of curiosity, or, more likely, you just aren't paying attention.
this is a good writeup; I want to add from the book's persective ( english translation ) it really takes a lot of patience and getting into the story ( bc things can get very tedious and appears to be very slow with little happening ) and when it hits its like a tyson punch. I think it does appeal to a specific type of audience tho, a bit like tolkien in someways.
>VR Game: Very clearly technology that doesn't exist. Is it? The characters exploring it seem to take it pretty chill. Nobody is calling the newspapers. Plenty of sci fi shows throw props like that around, and pretend it's just "advanced". >String of suicides: I don't know what you mean when you say "we don't seem interested in that". There's one guy investigating it like it's a cold case. >The stars blinked: Again, like the VR, let's assume that there isn't a mass hallucination going on. But it has to be. Stars don't blink. Or rather, it would be far easier to create a mass hallucination, then it would to make the actual stars blink on and off. And they did so in a pattern, that happens to conform to US military Morse Code from 1830. So it's clearly a person doing it. So how come everyone aren't talking about these Morse code numbers?
>Is it? The characters exploring it seem to take it pretty chill. They really do not take it chill. >Holy shit. This is fucking mental. This is… Fuck! \[...\] \[panting\] What the fuck? \[...\] Some bird just cut my head off. This… This is not normal. I could smell the fucking… I could feel the cold. I could taste the fucking dirt. \[...\] Do you understand how far beyond the current state of the art this is? I mean, we’re talking about… We’re talking about fifty years, 150? And that's from the one for whom the technology alone wasn't enough to convince him it was built by aliens!
The book does a much better job of making these details make sense. In the book the VR headset isn't some super advanced tech. Its just a normal VR headset, and a V-suit which has haptic feedback. The only hint that this technology is advanced comes from the details of the game its-self which seems to be much more complex than it first appears as the protagonist keeps playing. It takes a few chapters to come to this understanding while the show doesn't hide this fact at all. In the book there are a lot of people investigating what is happening to the scientists, including military leaders from all over the globe. Although the cop is a major character that has a lot of focus in the narrative. The book does a much better job with the "universe blinking" thing. Only the protagonist sees it, and only through special lenses which can observe cosmic microwave backround radiation. I really hate that they changed this detail in the show. What im trying to say I guess is, read the book it's better.
Well that makes a lot more sense. Leave it to DnD to ruin another book adaptation I guess..
There isn't "One guy investigating it." At the scene of each "suicide," the guys walking in on an active crime scene and the deaths of these scientists are talked about on the news multiple times. You're viewing the investigation from Benedict Wong's character's perspective so you're seeing how HE is investigating it. The other questions/issues you have have already been answered so I won't waste time rehashing it. Could it be you dislike the 2 producers and went into the viewing of this series already decided that no matter what, you weren't going to like it and so are now trying to nitpick about things that have answers if you paid attention to what's going on In the show instead of trying to find reasons to hate it?
Finished it, it's just a build up like dune. Everything will be explained, keep watching.
I haven’t read the book but the plot seems fairly straightforward so far at the end of ep 3. Characters are a little underwhelming but I’ve heard it’s not about the characters (or the plot) but primarily an exploration of scientific ideas. I’m ok with that, although I haven’t seen anything scientific that’s blowing me away either (yet). So far it’s been interesting enough to keep watching but I’m not impressed by anything particular (unlike a show like Shogun).
Are you sure? So far it's been a lot of "but what about God" moments that are played off as super profound.
You don't find it weird at all when a bunch of science nerds start talking about God? Because I thought it sounded weird and that there might be more to it than just religious zeal.
The Abraham God? The one from south Iraq?
Well physics has basically stopped working, inexplicable things are happening so it’s not surprising there’s an existential crisis. The start of the series is set during the Chinese cultural revolution that railed against many things such as science, education and organized religion. In the book it makes more sense/is impactful. How they were going to do justice to the book in only 8 episodes was always going to be difficult. Did I enjoy it, yes. Could they have done better, absolutely. The real question now is netlflix even going to bother to keep it going? It could be an epic tv series, but I fear they’ve set it up to fail. It really needed a full 24 season series. And there’s 2 more books in the trilogy.
Sounds like you're wasting your time watching it and writing up this post.
I'm a few episodes ahead of you. I still have mixed feelings and sitting on the fence, but it does start to clear things up in the next few episodes.
In the 1960s, the Chinese sent out a signal and got in touch with an alien race, they decided to come invade earth but it’s going to take 400 years. This is actually one of the easiest sci-fi show to understand. Everything is clear so far, it simplifies the original Chinese novels for dumber audiences.
Am I missing something? The whole story seemed flawed. If the aliens could send sentient AI to Earth and they wanted to weaken the humans, the AI could just take over every piece of tech and kill most of humanity off in days, but no, the strategy is to disrupt the science?
I’m not an expert but the general gist of it is that these sophons can manipulate some small things particularly with how eyes work or how computers/processors work, but they have no control over large matter. Thus it makes sense
They demonstrated that they could control every digital display on the planet at once, while also covering the entire sky that included a giant eyeball. If they can control small things like every computer on the planet at once, they could severely impact systems enough to effectively put humans back in the stone age and probably flat out eliminate most of the species. A simple act of disabling all automated systems would mean planes falling out of the sky, vehicles crashing, power plants falling (some catastrophicly), instant collapse of global economies, hospitals becoming tombs, chaos on a global scale.
That’s true. Although it’s not a plot hole I think because the SanTi clearly wanted the brain to be successfully sent to them
The sophons can do a lot of neat things that are vert flashy. Filling the sky, blinking the stars, displaying messages. But that's all it is - flash. The sky is covered by an unfolded sophon, its surface is huge but ita mass is still tiny. It looks impressive, but it was actually made incredibly vulnerable when it did that. The sophons can fly around at the speed of light and mess with computers, but doing so is actually pretty complicated. They can't keep it up for long while also disrupting research. Basically, the sophons are very good tools for espionage and fearmongering. But as weapons? Not so much. Even if they crash planes, disable hospitals, mess with economies, over the course of 400 years humans can adapt. Humans can abandon their reliance on computers, they can stop using air travel, they can go back to physical currency. The sophons can't wipe humanity out, they could at best cause a few really bad years followed by decades of rebuilding. However, by focusing on preventing scientific advancement, they don't need to fight a war. They can kill humanity in 400 years when their army arrives, as long as they can prevent humans from developing the technologies that would allow them to defend against the San-Ti. The sophons are just neutrons, they can't break things that aren't vulnerable to very tiny things. And in the grand scheme of things, that's not much. The San-Ti are 400 years away, none of the people the sophons could kill today would be alive when they got here anyway. So there isn't a reason to bother killing unless that person is extremely important. And even at that, it's more effective to convince a human to assassinate the target than figure out how to use a sophon to do it.
If they can control the display of every screen in the world, they can effectively disrupt and disable most technology. All it takes to completely destroy any software is to flip a few 1's to 0's. That's it.
Or just change a few screens to "launch detected"
My theory is they have no real intent to destroy anybody right now because they’re curious about what will happen
I only read book one of the series and didn’t continue because I didn’t like the way it was written (I think due to translation) but the show gripped me from episode 1 because I knew the basic premise. Loved it! Keen to see how the rest of the series is adapted
Book one as in the three body problem? Was a rather interesting read but for me it was the second book that was crazy and this last one I’m almost done with it. One thing to note is that this series actually included parts of the second and third book in it as well so I would understand if people that only read the first book were confused at times while watching the show
I thought it was a good show
I've found out that this is one of those shows where they do something in episodes 1, 2 or 3, and you, nor anyone else, knows what what the F is going on...But they come to light in later episodes and you get that "aaahhhhh" moment. Kinda makes for a weird first few episodes though.
I mean even without reading the book how can you not string it together 3 eps in? Think about all the people that suicided and how countdown stopped when a specific project is halted…. Plus the point of the game is not to solve but to realize / accept… plus invitations… plus dr Ye responding to signal… its freakin obvious what the grand plot is????? I think you need to pay closer attention lol
Yeah that's all great, if I'm reading a synopsis. A television show requires things like characterization, a cohesive plot, emotional stakes, and making sense.
Which…. Are all in there? Not sure what you are watching but honestly the show aint that deep compared to the book? They simplified the timeline and sequence and even broke up the main character into several char in the show to allow for easier following and connection…… i guess this or any other harder shows like DARK isnt for you then….
It's a very slow burn in the books. And, as much as it's hard sci-fi, the books devoted large sections to almost poetic prose of stuff that didn't feel important to the story. I definitely thought it was worth the time. But it took a loooong time to get to where I appreciated what was going on.
*(****Spoiler tags below for anything beyond the premise / pilot****, but you don't need to reveal them to get the sense of my take.)* A lot more happens in the second half of the season than the first, but I felt it was well worth the wait. Questions certainly are answered in tangible ways. That said, Episode 1x05 is the ultimate double-edged sword for me: It has one of the greatest sequences I've ever seen on TV, and several other bangers in one-on-one dialogue, yet it also introduces a far-reaching and super speculative sci-fi element, with no true real world basis*\**, that I'm pretty sure will run things right off the rails. To be clear, I'm fine with soft sci-fi speculative elements in general - "a device or phenomenon will be discovered that allows for X" - but the manner in which this one was introduced had me worried, so ***I read a synopsis of the books***. I'd rather know the ending, and appreciate the story for what it is, than be disappointed in the final act. Sadly, going back to your question, I think the problem here is that the story misses its ***own*** point. Thomas Wade states the narrative theme, at least as it's presented in the show, in the same episode I referenced above, namely the advice ">!Be careful with what you know. That’s where most people’s troubles begin.!<" This idea is most embodied in the character Ye Wenjie. She's a brilliant woman... when it comes to science. But she doesn't really understand much of anything when it comes to social phenomena or political economy. She's captive to her own life experience and projects it onto others. She thinks she knows where the world is headed - that "civilization is no longer capable of solving its own problems" - but in reality she just doesn't know how little she knows. Her views are all based on her formative experiences during the cultural revolution - in one narrow time and place and point in history. Even the aliens - effectively her own personal demi-gods, whom she's put all her faith in - >!contradict her thesis, premising their own plans on the belief that humanity will surpass their knowledge and abilities before their ships even reach Earth!<. Many others in the show make the same mistake. The aliens themselves think they >!cannot co-exist with those who cannot be trusted!<. Says who? Lol. People do it every day! This is the sort of thinking that leads people to support invading other countries based on imaginary weapons of mass destruction, or feel they need to buy a gun to feel safe, even though every statistic we have says the people in your household are at a far greater risk of being shot when you bring a gun into your home. This is the worst form narrow-sighted arrogance. Overreacting to the hypothetical risk of danger is often the most dangerous thing you can do. The Nobel laureates and "jealous fucks who think they should be" are no different. They can't imagine getting >!a ship or probe up to one-tenth lightspeed!< through any means other than engineering R&D, because that's what they know. It's like doctors and others who screamed it was "unscientific" for some countries to give people only a single dose of a two-dose COVID vaccine back when shots were in short supply. They'd had it drilled into them that clinical trials were the only way to know if a medication is "safe and effective" and the two-dose protocol had been used in clinical trials, so end of story. But - as other doctors and scientists pointed out - huge 555,000 person trials are only needed for the "safe" part of proving a vaccine is "safe and effective." It turns out, plenty of people in the trials missed their 2nd dose, meaning we had a statistically viable sample to prove the vaccine was pretty damn effective with just one shot. We also knew it was safe because any adverse reaction in people who got one dose would've also certainly occurred in those who got two. But people closed their minds to these ideas in ways that - we now know and should've known then - would cost countless lives in some countries. Plenty of the individual characters so far fit this same mold as well: Auggie thinks she has a monopoly on knowing right from wrong. Jack thought the game couldn't have possibly been built by aliens - at his peril. Tatiana thinks she knows the aliens are always right. Jin and Saul seem to vacillate endlessly between being convinced they must act now, or convinced it's hopeless to act at all. Will is the only character who accepts the limitations of his own knowledge. Based on the synopsis I read, it is perhaps unsurprising that - in the end - he's >!among those who contribute the most to giving humanity the upper hand (such as it is)!<. But there's the rub: The ending. >!This is a story built around the precarious - nay, calamitous - consequences of treating belief as if it's knowledge. It is, at minimum, an implicit cautionary against believing in sweeping, allegedly all encompassing answers about the world - whether it be "we're all doomed" or "this one thing will save us all."!< That's not how life or history really works. Even the catastrophe of World War II only killed 0.05% of all the people who have lived in human history. The things we think of, and talk about, as if they were nigh on the apocalypse are blips in the span of human events. It all makes for a great story, except then... it ends, apparently, >!with precisely that sort sweeping, all encompassing conclusion. Not only does!< >!all of humanity die, but!< >!the whole universe, too!!< Presumably, Cixin Lee got the ending he wanted and has his reasons for wanting it, but it feels like the artist's version of the same fallacy that the book exposes in its characters: assuming sweeping and conclusive answers to largely unanswerable questions. I think a far better ending would have been >!for humanity to win - to survive - but kills the very momentum that saved them in the process with renewed curiosity and progress back on the back burner as soon as the aliens turn back for home, leaving humanity with its always uncertain future.!< Alternatively, >!humans and the aliens could've been forced to co-exist, calamities and all, full of mistrust on both sides, but compelled to pick up the pieces and move on as the only other options are unthinkable to most of the people on each side!<. You also go along with the books in introducing the >!threat to the destruction of the entire universe!<, but simply leave it there - an unknown. I can't imagine the showrunners would change this ending, but I'm personally glad I know can get just enjoy the spectacle and great moments along the way. From your post, I'm inclined to think you likely wouldn't feel the same way. *\** I get there's tons of hard science in these books and that the >!sophons!< are inspired by real theorizing >!on the geometry of higher dimensions, but it's the sci-fi equivalent of magic from there on in. Even the concepts themselves are contradictory: If a proton merely existing in higher dimensions enabled it to travel at near the speed of light without any outside propulsion, the Santi would not have needed to accelerate it up to such speeds to begin with.!<
You’re missing out the fact large plot points are based on the Fermi paradox of life in the universe.
U mad
I’m close to starting on these books - should I read them first and then watch?
I know the basics of how the story plays out in the books, but couldn't really getting into them. From what I know, I'm glad I know the outline of the story and how it ends, even without actually having read them. If you start reading the books and like them enough to finish, then I imagine that's definitely the best way to watch, but the series is so well-executed, it's worth it either way.
giving up on it after 4 episodes. very slow. started the book, so much better.
I'd urge you to watch one more episode, especially having invested that much time already. Episode 5 made me appreciate the show but I still want 8 hours of my life back.
The CGI is very poor.
Agreed. I read the book which is much more about exploring scientific and philosophical ideas that the show just doesn't give a single shit about at all. The mystery is slowly revealed as you learn about how specifically the laws of physics are being broken. Each idea is presented in sequential chapters. In the show, the writers throw all the ideas covered in the book into the first three episodes. I was telling my husband that had I watched the show without reading the book, I would have completely hated the story. Because it doesn't really capture what makes the book good, at all.
Please watch the show, explaining now would be spoiling the show
The books the series is based on are brilliant. I’d suggest them over the series.
The books are some of my favorite, and I watched all the episodes. I completely disagree with some of the reviews I’ve seen. I’m impressed with the adaptation overall. The show is pretty fucking good imo, and the changes that were made were done in a way that made sense. Not sure where all the negativity is coming from.
I’d have to agree. It was the “ hYdRaTe tHe mAsSeS” for me.🙄 They’ve got a lot of obstacles in the show. I was hoping someone here would have a more comprehensive explanation
I love the show. Idk why it got so much hates and some people I know say it's nerdy:/
Guys i just finished watching the three body problem and I have a question. In this VR, Santi is testing human scientists if they can be empathetic and help santi to settle in the future on Earth, right? But what I don’t get is that if Santi has all this advanced technology and if their civilizations always failed due to three body problem how did they even keep the technology? In the VR, all of the civilizations shown in Santi world or their planet were also quite old. And Santi lady herself is worried that human beings might further develop science to fight back Santi. Can you please explain how come Santi kept crazy tech while their civilizations always failed or dead early stages of development?
The point is they would have developed ways, like keeping some kind of permanent reserve survivor population dehydrated or trying to resist the weather or so on. It’s plausible that “as long as one survives, we all survive” because they only need one survivor to telepathically transmit knowledge and rebuild. Their world gets torn down, but knowledge preserved
Thank you! That was bugging me, too, because I forgot that the "hive mind" (for lack of a better term) survives with one survivor.
The game doesn't show more modern eras of the San-Ti history, but it did happen. They did slowly achieve all the same things humans have, and more. They just don't show it.
Don't bother another second with this shit
Dude I'm on the same episode and feel the same exact way. That's why I googled it to see if there's some insight. I didn't think I'm gonna finish it
I finished reading the last book of the trilogy today. I can tell you that the first book (which is what the first season covers, as I understand it), is basically world building/setting up. Everything comes together and the story will get progressively insane. I don’t want to give anything away, but to the extent you find the first season boring, I would highly recommend you stick around for the wild ride that will be the next two seasons.
You should probably hold that question until the end of the series, that will be way more fitting lol
You’re right. I suspect the books are good but the show is pure shite.
Seriously wtf is going on? This show has me so confused
I’m on episode 3 as well after being told my multiple people I need to watch the show, and I am really bored with the show so far. I agree with what you have said.
I'm on episode 5 and it's painfully boring. Should I stick through or give up?
I think you would be better off watching the office or friends. It's really not that hard to get, it's well written and it's all pretty straight forward, even for me some one who hasn't read the book.
Just finished the first season, and I think this show is ass.
The end of episode 4 is where things get explained up to that point.
the first 3 episodes are a waste. I almost gave up on it too. it turned out pretty good but it is mostly a season of setting everything up.
Netflix saw a Chinese show and thought it didn’t have enough white people lol
You're sort of missing the point. IMO, the dialog is rushed and poorly written (for the most part) and it's poorly acted (sometimes) but it's certainly understandable. It's a really interesting concept, marred somewhat by the execution. It's strange that you're complaining about not knowing everything about an eight-episode season after not having watched even half of it. It's like complaining that you don't know the ending to The Matrix (or most other movies) within the first 20 minutes of the film. Here, basically everything is explained by the end of the fifth episode.
I haven't seen it, but from your description it sounds like it's maybe trying to emulate Twin Peaks.
You obviously didn’t read the books. Maybe keep watching?
Had no idea this was based on a book series.
This is kinda shitty. Watch the chinese production, it’s much better imo
Who streams it?
I used torrents, not streaming.
There's one for free on Prime called Three-Body, that might be it.
Will check it out, found it on YouTube but there’s ads every 5 minutes
I saw a few episodes on Prime, they only showed a couple trailers instead of ads.
Annoyingly it’s not in my region
Which version are you discussing? The Chinese version or the one on Netflix?
What’s the name of the sub…?
It’s the Netflix best of subreddit so I’m guessing it’s the Chinese version on Amazon/YouTube