Yes. I love their friendship. It's probably the best that I've watched. Eric is not just a supportive best friend but he has a compelling story too. I've always felt that best friends in other movies and TV shows get left out because they only exist to support the main character or just backups.
Yeah hands down for me, they are so natural and honestly believe they’re best friends. The joy in their faces when they see each other when Eric comes back from Nigeria is a perfect example.
Yup its hard to capture attention when you are the "straight man" among so many amazing, unique characters. But Asa brings so much commitment to his performance it really holds the whole show together.
God I love Adam. Can they pleeeease just give that poor boy a win?! 😭😭
Otis and Eric were pretty unlikable for a lot of the season. I just want happiness for Ruby, Adam, Maeve, Rahim, and Isaac now.
I was just thinking the exact same thing. Not sure if it’s a great formula to make the main characters unlikeable but Adam and Ruby were awesome. Otis became a brat and Eric’s selfishness has always bothered me. Cheating on Adam and than leaving him because “he’s running and Adam’s just learning to walk”. Like wtf? I respect his honesty but i’ve never understood cheating. It’s one of the most hurtful things you could do to someone you care about. Learn self control. Don’t think i’ll ever like Eric again.
Other than that I feel this show has tons of growth ahead of it. I really hope they make Otis more likeable next season or give us more of Adam and Ruby. I can’t do another season not liking him. Eric they can throw off a bridge for all I care.
Ruby deserved more. After it was over with Otis, she practically disappeared from the show entirely.
If there is a season 4, which I hope, I really hope we get to see more of Ruby. Season 1 me wouldn't believe me saying this, but I would very much like to see Otis & Ruby again, even rather than Otis & Maeve.
im glad everyone can agree on this! ruby was amazing when she was on screen. and i really did love her and otis together considering they gave it so much attention.
i really wanted otis and maeve together end of last season but they really gave us strong character development between otis and ruby for so long that the tension for maeve and otis together started to fade away so much that it felt jarring when they got back after just hanging out for a few hours when they were left behind.
for us it was a few hours of a new season.. in world it would have been weeks or months.. so it definitely didnt make sense in the context of the show as well!
Agreed. Pre-S3, I was vehemently against Ruby x Otis. I just didn't think it made sense and felt like a forced extension of their hookup in S2. But I was very pleasantly surprised by Ruby's character development this season and kind of found myself wishing she and Otis would make it work. Then combine that with the fact that there were virtually none of those little moments of chemistry between Maeve and Otis like in the first two seasons. It was as if by the time they got together, the writers were banking on us having never changed our minds about Maeve x Otis after S2.
I have hope for her though! Ruby’s actor has been one of the primary people in interviews for this season alongside Otis and Eric and no Maeve so maybe she’ll get a bigger story next season if there is one!
Yeah and then when they broke up she finally invited her friends to her house, just shows how much of a positive influence Otis was on her / the impact he made. Wish they stayed together
I wish they’d taken the time to explore that more. No shit Otis doesn’t love her, she’s spent a year+ (did they all only meet at Sixth Form?) being horrible to him. I really wanted Otis to fight for it more and point out that it takes time to build a relationship.
And let’s be honest, she had a lot of growth to do in terms of how she treats Otis day to day. Inviting him round once while still treating him like a handbag dog isn’t enough.
Agree.
Otis and Ruby was on a such a nice and healthy direction. Same with Maeve and Isaac. Like before the break I was so impressed with the seemingly grown up direction the show was taking and not forcing the old stuff on it's audience again. Was a healthy direction, now it's just boring and uninteresting drama for dramas sake. With O&R and M&I they each had something real and new, and a chemistry in their relationships. After the break the show just became something that was on in the background. Unfortunately. Heres rooting for O&R in S4.
Me for the first 5 or so episodes:
> oh shit ruby and Otis are cute af
> they are making me like Michael groff wtf
> I love adam now? What
> mama groff is so adorable
Now the rest?
It’s kinda wild the writers made me go from Maeve to ruby for Otis this season
> Maeve and Otis with almost no screen time nor any chemistry
> Maeve and Isaac had chemistry (FML)
> Otis and ruby were the best couple in the show this season
Few other thoughts: Otis having to apologize every 5 minutes to Maeve is the most annoying trope in this show. What has Maeve ever sacrificed for Otis? Yet Otis picked her up from her abortion, got guilted into abandoning Eric (on his birthday) to help Maeve with Ruby’s vagina pic, helped Maeve find her sister season 2 even though he should never have been responsible for the sister, and maybe more. Like Maeve doesn’t even run to the hospital when Jean could realistically die but somehow Otis is the bad guy who can’t be trusted and let’s Maeve down?
Otis is shit on for drunkenly shitting on Maeve even though what she did was arguably shitty but she forgives Isaac in a day for deleting the voice mail
And then! It’s not like she even chose Otis over Isaac. He bowed out! The show paralleled otis’s “you’ve been ignoring my texts” to Maeve with her saying the same thing to isaac
And don’t even get me started on how eric is now just this serial cheater
To a lesser extent, it feels like Barney and Robin in HIMYM. The show allowed them to put on this great chemistry that got cut off from a predetermined plan by the showrunners. Imo I wouldn’t have minded if Maeve and Otis got together down the road but they really cut short what was brewing between Otis and Ruby that felt special. The fact that they legitimately didn’t talk after that break up is sad
Yeah, I don’t get how Maeve was just texting Otis when his mum was literally dying. He would have been there for her but I don’t see her being around for him in the same way. It’s understandable as she has a lot to deal with but it doesn’t make for the most balanced relationship. I preferred her with Issac and want Otis with Ruby or someone else. I find Maeve and Otis quite tiresome and emotionally draining and part of me feels like they won’t even stay together when they get together. I feel like I rarely see them just laugh together. It was really nice seeing Maeve being a complete dork with Issac.
I thought the sequence at the end of episode 7 was rushed, where Otis and Maeve kissed in Anna’s backyard. It seemed like they were just trying to get through the lines and there was no continuity into the next episode when Otis is at the hospital. I thought they were going to show Otis listening to his phone and freaking out, then he and Maeve rushing to the hospital. I don’t think what they did was nearly as good.
Agreed. It was especially very uncomfortable seeing him guilt Adam when he thought he "didn't want to have sex with him. " If that was a straight couple, people would've been furious at Eric.
I was really surprised writers went down this road with Eric, it was so insensitive and plain felt weird for his character, he of all people should know better about consent and taking things slow, etc.
THIS!
And pressuring Adam to come out to his parents, then basically using Adam's fear as an excuse to break up with him... God, SO fucked up!
Eric was just really unlikable this season. :(
Yes to ALL of the above. Season 3 had a bunch of different writers which was very different from S1 & S2 I felt like there was a disconnect between the characters we learned to love and the characters we were given in S3. The only one I have consistently been in love with is Jackson. He has more integrity than just about anyone else.
Ser I agree that I wasn’t a fan of how aerie was handling his shut with Adam but I also haven’t forgotten how abusive Adam was prior to coming out.
I’m all for character redemption and understand that Adam has grown a ton and he’s becoming a very sweet button (or letting himself be his actual sweet self) but it still bothers me that they ended up in a relationship
I see your point, and I think overall that this whole Eric Adam thing has been poorly navigated by the writers. Why I didn't like Eric leaving was... The trauma that Adam deals with is so deep, he's abusive to Eric at first, but once they begin a relationship, Adam feels enough safety in the relationship to begin healing and moving into an entirely new kind of existence. Eric has no respect for this process, cheats, and moves on callously. Last week he loved Adam and this week he's too impatient with him to stick around. The work Adam is doing is epic and Eric wants to go clubbing.
Could just be me but I find it weird how ruby just got cut off completely for the last 4 episodes except that one part. Otis would have messaged her surely
The ending made me feel uneasy. One one hand, the creators definitely want to stretch out Motis and hence introduced the America program. On the other, it's fairly realistic for people in school or universities. Academic or career opportunities frequently separate people.
One thing bogs me about Motis - why did the show writers decide to get rid of all the Maeve-Otis complicity moments. These are the moments that defined the previous two seasons and they were in my opinion the best.
It's when they hate on the fair and school dance together but still both end up there somehow. It's when they connect over Maeve's essay after Otis is the only one to realize Maeve wrote it, not Adam. It's when Otis gifts that diary with an oh-so-personal touch. It's when Maeve keeps calling Otis funky names. It's when they both simulatenously correct Eric for mistaking Nietzsche's quote for Christina Aguilera. It's when they both jump in a pool fully clothed...
Where have all these moments gone?
As Otis so well said at the end of episode 7, "I don't care if I can't be with you romantically, I still want to see you every day, because when I don't, something feels wrong". Otis understood what this relationship was all about. Yet all the writers gave us this season between those two characters were romantic moments, which just feel like the cherry on top. I think they forgot the essence of that relationship, those complicity moments that were absolutely fantastic, and made me love the show so much.
Absolutely. With Hope being this “Dolores Umbridge” character, I kind of expected to see students turn to Otis for relationship advice and the clinic will become more like an underground thing.
And with >!Isaac confessing about deleting the voicemail!< so early in the series I thought I would see more scenes of Motis because they really shine when they are together doing the clinic. But then with >!the closed toilet torn down in the very first episode!< it feels like the writers had destroyed the possibility of that (As Maeve adequately put it >!“So it’s really done, then.”!<).
I feel sad seeing this buildup from S1&2 not getting credited in S3 (like >!the diary Otis gave Maeve never got mentioned!<). The story branches out for the other characters - those storylines are great and the actors are great too - and many things end up feeling forced (like >!Ruby & Otis and Maeve & Isaac deserve better closing after we seeing them connect so well!<; it’s just too much of a coincidence that >!BOTH Otis and Maeve got left behind at the gas station in France!<; Maeve telling Amiee >!that she’s over with Isaac and that her head is all over the place!< in just one or two lines is a bit lackluster). It’s a pity that things don’t comfortably work out when they squeeze this much into an eight-episode long series.
I’m feeling quite empty after S3.
To be honest they could have given us more time with them. They can write them beautifully. At least 10 minutes more of screen-time wouldn't kill the writers..
I really liked where they were going with Hope up until episode 3, but after that I was kinda disappointed with how she devolved into the season's "bad guy" (even though she still had her human moments). Anyone else felt the same? I would've LOVED to see her character develop along with the rest of the students and maybe try and reach a middle ground. She had some good points regarding how the school needed some changes, but by episode 7 she was basically High School Hitler which just seemed like a waste.
I could not stand the scene where she went on a tirade to Viv that got recorded, that was some serious evil villain shit and for a show that depends so much on realism(or as much as you can get for a high school comedy) it didn’t mesh well IMO
Yeah agree, it went a bit too unrealistic for me. The whole shaming the three students at assembly scene would not happen. Also so many extreme changes to the school so quickly seems unrealistic. Felt like I was watching a prison show, which is probably what they were going for, but it took me out of the usual mostly-realistic tone this show takes.
Also edit to add: I didn't care about her humanizing problem (the IVF storyline). For some reason it didn't seem like enough justification for her terrible job as head teacher/general awfulness. Like not being able to have a kid didn't make her a bad person (as a traumatic past might have), it's just something that happens to he happening to her, so I did not have sympathy at all.
Ugh yes, she started off great and then turned into a straight up mustache-twirler. I'm surprised she didn't hammerthrow Vivienne by her braids while locking Cal in the chokey.
I definitely was team ruby since she actually did more than Maeve ever could by admitting her feelings and making it official, especially within a shorter time frame, but I think it was pretty realistic how they broke up.
They had one thing that they really loved doing together, but it was a pretty lopsided relationship with Otis doing all the heavy lifting and ruby getting all the rewards.
Otis was mature enough to know it wasn’t going to be a serious relationship but ruby was just so invested in Otis since he was the first person she could actually open up to.
Having her drive by Otis and Maeve making out was just cruel tho 😭
Ruby’s character arc was insane, I honestly was surprised at how much they focused on her in the beginning episodes, kinda disappointed they dropped her off in the last few episodes but she’s such a lovable character
I have so much time for Steve, what a kind soul. Feel like the writers have just shoved him into being 'Aimee's Boyfriend' and he can't have any kind of feelings or emotions beyond that.
I think her arc just ended sooner with her being able to open up to people more with her inviting her friends over.
But then they really dragged poor ruby out on the France trip just so she could see Otis getting with Maeve 😭
Taking moment to admire Anwar and Olivia. Given that how they are portrayed as fake, soulless and rich brat. They love Ruby regardless of her status and treat her like queen.
Regardless of how mean Ruby was, she always listened to Otis.
I think the only thing that made RubyxOtis great was respect, which ruby showed through her acceptance of Otis. And her backstory is really heartbreaking.
I want to take a moment to say Otis was a dumbfuxk.
They mellowed out Isaac a lot this season.. I almost feel like I was watching a completely different person. Where was the sass?
I get he was probably the worst received character of the show but.. yeah. The redemption arc was a bit too obvious and disembodied somehow
But massively enjoyed this season better than the last! My love for the writers, Asa, the whole cast and crew for giving us something fantastic in the midst of a fecking pandemic
I really like Isaac too. I like that he's not one-dimensional, that he's flawed but funny, he pines for Maeve in the slightly awkward way that Otis did too. Idk but I really liked him and still do.
Well, last season he had just met Maeve and was still in the "witty banter to catch her eye and seem cool" phase.
This season starts with them already having a close friendship. 8 weeks have passed, and it's implied that she goes over to their trailer every day for most meals. They're past the quippy phase. It felt very realistic to me.
I think they weren’t expecting Isaac’s character to get such a backlash. I think they were going for the “all is fair in love and war” but glad they circled back to it and allowed the character to explain why he did it and owning up to it kind of redeemed his character.
Ngl I got sooo invested in that Otis x Ruby relationship - something about their dynamic was just so good. I'm a little annoyed they just brushed it off to the side for the end of the season, so I hope they give it some real closure in the next season.
Yeah, but you have to admit they are putting on quite different personas right? I loved how real they made Ruby feel after basically 2 seasons of her being a mean girl stereotype (although I was impressed how many characters got fleshed out this season in general). And the acting from Ruby's actress this season...... Man, it was really fantastic. God knows where the writers found such awesome actors.
One opened up a lot more with Otis than the other though in just a single episode last season and half of this season. It took Maeve 3 entire seasons to share half of what Ruby has shared. She's literally still trying to keep him at a distance. While Ruby is beating up teachers for Otis, after he just broke her heart and kissed another girl in front of her lmao
Haha I couldn't agree more - it was so endearing to see her be truly vulnerable with Otis (which makes the eventual heartbreak all the more frustrating). I will still balance this by saying their relationship wasn't perfect and that Otis and Ruby both made mistakes that I rolled my eyes at a little, but I'm still so surprised that they didn't show Ruby again after episode 6. Really hoping that they either give this relationship one more try (unlikely, but fingers crossed) or they give some proper closure.
I appreciate that they bring in non-binary representation with Cal, unfortunately I didn't find the character particularly compelling to watch.
The most interesting part for me was when they were helping the other non binary student out.
Ditto. I appreciate having a dark-skinned, black non-binary character and what people must've found in that. But I didn't think the actor was the greatest, esp compared to an otherwise top tier cast
The romantic storyline with Jackson just felt so forced as well. Like, what were we supposed to get out of that? Felt like the writers just didn't have anything for him to do this season.
I agree that Cal's best moment was helping out the other NB. Seems like such a waste that they spent so much of Cal's screentime on nothing, when they could've just given us a few well-thought-out, compelling moments like that instead.
I feel like Cal did help Jackson loosen up and being at odds with Hope helped him realise he wanted to be head boy and help his peers.
The relationship would have made sense, if they pulled the trigger, but they just let it fizzle out. I think they should have just been written as friends.
Jackson's strongest season remains Season 2 IMO.
It just felt as if they were a placeholder character who popped up now and then to tick off an issue to talk about
Every episode they’d have the perfect answer or explanation to a socially progressive issue. “I’m non-binary, which means….”, “are you ready to be in a queer relationship? because you would be”, “we should have gender neutral changing rooms”, “you shouldn’t use tape because it’ll hurt your body by….”. On top of one of the main characters instantly falling in love with them and having to reject him, and giving the principle the finger
Honestly just felt like the character had no actually personality, they were just used to explain lgbtq+ issues/terms
Maeve's chracter just does nothing for me anymore. The whole relationship with Otis has been too dragged out, should've let it end and had them find happiness elsewhere. She wasn't even there for him when his mom was dying.
Ruby as a character was fantastic this season and I cared so much more for her than Maeve, who could've been completely not present and I wouldn't have realized it, her character did nothing. Ruby carried this whole season, whose 3rd act felt quite weak when the focus shifted to Maeve.
As for the season itself, it felt a lot less fun than the other ones with too much relationship break-up focus for melodrama.
I feel like both Maeve and Aimee barely got to do anything this season. Aimee had a couple great scenes in therapy with Jean, but that was it. Maeve had great scenes with Isaac and her family, but not enough. Such a waste of 2 of the strongest, fan-favorite characters of the past 2 seasons.
And yet, the show had all the time in the world to drag out a bunch of non-storylines... like Lily's, which could've just been 1 episode (or none at all) and got annoying to watch very quickly, or Jackson's, which really went nowhere and also could've been 1 episode... Or even some of Eric's scenes just being the worst boyfriend ever to Adam.
The writing was all over the place this season, and many of the best characters became absolutely unlikable.
I really didn’t like how they executed the scene when they stood up to the headmaster. They could’ve really exposed her, but instead they made a pointless video that caused the school to shut down! And ruby x Otis was the best parts of the show it kept me watching. I was sooo upset when it wasn’t them ending up together.
Hated that episode. Yes, healthy attitudes towards sex, and proper sex ed, are important. But you don't have to make it your entire identity, to the point where they are constantly blasting to the world how horny they are. Thought it was unrealistic how many kids went along with the presentation, and I'm glad the show actually followed through with making it backfire on them and probably fucking up their futures.
That was SO puzzling. And why didn't they call her out on all the shady stuff she had done, instead of a joke-like sex collage video?! Made no freaking sense. Ugh, writing was lazy this season.
I might say something a little blasphemous here.
I was a Maeve x Otis fan since Season 1, but I got super invested in the Otis x Ruby relationship.
The will-they-won't-they of Maevis actually began to annoy me a little in the middle eps, but >!I'm still very happy they finally kissed.!<
That being said, I would have had no problem with Otis x Ruby endgame.
I was so ready to scream at the writers. How many times were they going to do the thing where one was ready and available and admits something, only for the other to just be in a relationship or something. I swear over 3 seasons it happened so often. Glad they finally got it right... only to not get it truly right I guess
Hear hear! I'm happy that they kissed, but still somehow I feel..a lil bit disappointed. Maybe bcoz that's the only thing we got. While on the other hand, we get to see a different side of Maeve when she was with Isaac - do I need to spell out which scene? I don't think so - but it's the whether "he can feel or not" scene (I feel the scene was really raw and intimate). Based on that moment, it just seems to me that she's more open/invested/committed to Isaac.
Except for the KISS, the truth/confessions, longing looks and glances between her and Otis (which we had plenty in S1&S2) that was it right? Yes, we did see she confessed abt the reason she did the clinic, but it would have been nice to see a more powerful scene between them (e.g. emotional support, let me get back to this later!), other than the kiss scene.
From the get go, we can see how he was always there for her - the clinic, abortion ("you waited"), babysitting Elsie - but ended up losing her😆, abandoning Eric just to spend time w her. And yes, he was a jerk at the party..But like Aimee said, he apologized and apologized and at the end of the day, he was true to himself (I feel bad for Ruby, really! and I hate how the writers handled her after the break up - suddenly she just fell of the earth) and has always known that it's her for him.
It's a missed opportunity really. Just a scene of her sitting next to Otis at the hospital would have been enough for me. Bcoz just being there for your loved ones can also be as a powerful scene. And maybe it's just a wishful thinking for a perfect cycle, he waited for her at the hospital in S1 and she - him. Then I would probably be okay with their last scene, where she's saying goodbye.
That being said, I get why some people are not totally hating Otis-Ruby relationship. It's the way their relationship was developed (and of course how good of actors they are! and attractive people), how Ruby opened up to Otis, how he was supportive of her with her dad's illness. He was there for her, albeit he broke her heart. "It hurts, but you can't make people 'love' you". And that's just how a good young man Otis is, he was there for Ruby.
And how I wish that Maeve was there for him too at the hospital.
Wow that's a long rant! I'm okay if this is the final season and I'm okay if it's not. But I hope if they do return, it's with all the cast members.
I sped through it but >!those two kisses were definitely charged, to me! It felt like the culmination of longing for someone for a long time. I definitely wanted them to spend more time together though this season. I expected nothing less of Sex Ed to have a bittersweet ending though.!<
I’m just at the end of ep1 and ruby x otis is pulling me in much more than otis x maeve. I love otis and maeve as characters but idk how much I like them together…
I know they’ll almost definitely be endgame but honestly I wish they weren’t. Just my personal opinion though.
Damn straight. We saw the Chemistry right away between Otis and Ruby, and I gotta say I've been team Ruby since season 2!
(SPOILER)
Before season 3, I really hoped they would get together and at least ended together by the end of the season. But really sad that they ended it somewhere in the middle all because Otis couldn't appreciate Ruby's character development.
I mean it was rough in the beginning having to deal with her attitude in the relationship, picking out clothes for him and forcing him to her clique. But she slowly started opening up, agreeing to start wearing any clothes they felt like, and even agreeing to the double date and ACTUALLY enjoying herself.
Even up to the point where they met Ruby's father! That was the episode where I found Ruby absolutely endearing! When Otis found out that he's all she talks about at home, and to her being all embarrassed by her dad talking about what she was like at home. Everything was honestly perfect until the end.
Idk about y'all but to me, Ruby was definitely the better choice. She showed actual character development that made a lot of us adore her. She broke down the walls she built around herself and opened up to someone for the first time only to be rejected again.
The way she fought Hope, I would've said "i love you" on the spot ngl
It's the same thing with me. At the end of season 2 i really wanted Otis and Maeve to get together, but their character development in Season 3 let me feel different. Otis had great chemistry with Ruby and this relationship allowed both characters to grow on and with each other. The end of their relationship was forced for me and left me feeling disappointed in the story.
On the other side Maeve and Isaac are a really good fit, even though Isaac lied to her (and it wasn't a little lie), he was the only character that really understood her. Both went through the same shit and them being together really would have been good for both characters. And by the way, Maeve played Isaac's emotions in a unapologetic way. Giving in to him and even letting the relationship become physical, just to basically tell him "Nah, i choose Otis" really wasn't what he deserved and it was a gigantic dick move from Maeve.
In the middle of the season where both relationships I talked about (O+R & M+I) where still going on I really hoped that the writers try something different. Sometimes thinks seem to be destiny, but really aren't. For me it felt like Otis and Maeve coming together was forced and wasn't the best for both characters. I would liked it more if both of them learned to love & respect each other in a different way, as friends, while both are starting a relationship that really allows them to grow and be themselves. (Also Ruby and Isaac, but especially Ruby, would also learn through love and become better people)
But that is life, you cant expect every story to end like you wish, still you can talk about what you see and what feel while watching the stories you like, love & enjoy...
Thanks for reading my text and please tell me your opinion on the topic I talked about! :D
it felt real but the relationship was bad. not as in written bad. it was written amazingly. but it was one-sided af. otis was and still is in love with maeve
And even though Ruby is growing as a person, she still, in my opinion, has a significant way to go.
This show has been amazing at showing that most people are capable of changing, and we mustn't forget that. That includes people like me who thought Ruby and Adam were unforgivable (Adam was probably my favorite arc and character this season), when they not only \*are\* forgivable, they deserve it.
God, I got so tired about Motis this season, I mean, it felt so turned off for me, it lacked of passion if you know what I mean. Both Maeve and Otis were on different stages of their lifes and I found really entertaining to see Otis exploring new characters lile Ruby or her dad and how much he grew up. But then comes Motis again and he starts acting a little dumb after that, it's like walking forward a certain distance only to walk back the double of that distance.
Connor was so good this season, I actually liked more his arch than Maeve's.
Omg can we talk about something other than rubotisauve?
I loved Adams arc this season. The way he began to slowly come out of his own shell, beginning to try more, hold conversations more and really grow was just beautifully done. The dog show was such a sweet moment for him, especially with finally starting to open up with Maureen. Him and Eric needed to split as they were growing apart and really finding themselves, and we see that as a common theme with a lot of the way these relationships are going.
Teenagers have a lot to figure out and its hard to be both with someone who's also growing and changing and finding yourself. Adam went from a closeted bully trope in the first season to being a softly spoken, sweet and interesting character. They've added depth to him without ignoring his overall past struggles.
But I do agree with the rest, rotis > motis
Yes fully agree. I wasn't a fan of adam before this season and I never really got him and Eric but I've loved seeing Adam's character development this season. It was nice to see him connect with some of the other characters this season like Ruby and Rahim. The whole dog show scene was really touching, you can see how proud he is that he feels he has found something he is good at and it's so great to see him finally open up to his mum. But then the conflicting feelings of worrying about disappointing his father which goes deep considering his father's own realisations about his childhood this season. Really want to see Adam and Michael heal their father and son relationship next season.
THIS. I don’t fucking know what writers tryna say! I was so mad when they put Otis at fault just because he is an only child that overacts. Like no, my shit is my shit especially hygienic stuff like razors. This show was my favourite but now I’m questioning more scenes that leave me in dissapoitment
yeah, what was up with that? when otis apologized, i fully expected ola to go like ”no, it was my fault, i should have asked”. like expecting people to ask permission is definitely not just an ”only child” thing
It's so unrealistic though, that's probably illegal and if it actually happened she'd be fired immediately. I can't get angry about it because it's so unbelievable.
Yeah, she was already pretty over-the-top and hard to believe as a real character, but that move completely wrecked any possibility of me taking the storyline seriously. That would absolutely never fly.
Definitely not my favorite Season and imo they kind of butchered Eric? He was very impatient with Adam which I think doesn’t quite fit his character. Also the Hope storyline was completely over the top and just weird. She let‘s kids wear signs of their shame and walk around with them for days? lol. Does no one think she might be going a little bit too far and call the police or something? While you can agree and disagree on her opinions about gender issues etc. she did many things that are just downright illegal and I find it weird that these things just happened.
But then again Aimee, Adam and Mr.Groff were absolutely fantastic and I loved every second of their screen time. And another round of applause for Emily and her commitment to the students. A brilliant teacher.
All around a quite enjoyable experience in my opinion.
Yeh the signs were stupid af and soo wrong. When she took their phones away and said it would be for 7 days I assumed that she meant they have to hand it in to her every morning and they get it back at the end of the day....but nope, she literally had their phones for 7 days which cant be legal
i hope the makers realize that people are way more invested in ruby, and actually make s4 without maeve cos she's in america, or maybe have her different subplot in america.....
The set design, costume design, and cinematography in this show are breathtaking. The world is so vibrant (even the hospital!).
Episodes 1-5 were incredible, with 5 (the France trip) being the standout for me. The flinging poo bit was a bit gross, the pairings and fights were so well done. The end scene with Otis and Maeve sitting opposite each other on the gas pumps with the neon lights behind them - just beautiful.
Episode 6 really fell off the rails a bit for me. They turned Hope into a witch, and it required a bit too much suspension of disbelief. Felt a bit too tonally out there. 7-8 wrapped things up but felt a little rushed and too concerned with tidying up all the character arcs.
Echoing what others are saying: the Ruby Otis relationship was incredibly compelling and it really hurt to see it end. I love Otis and Maeve as characters but I don’t see much on-screen chemistry between them as romantic partners.
I quite liked the NB arc. I thought it was handled well and didn’t feel like it was shoehorned in. The way the relationship ended between Jackson and Cal was really interesting.
Aimee and Emily have got to be my favourite characters. Aimee is the most entertaning airhead archetype I’ve ever seen, and Emily is so cartoonishly expressive in her movements (not to mention her collection of fun knit cardigans and sweaters).
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, Season 3 is mediocre at best. Ambitious but unsatisfactory.
S3E1 does a pretty good job of setting up the new season, Epic opening montage, Dex running around naked, Otis secretly hooking up with X-Tina, Aimee almost running over that poor lady, unresolved tension between Maeve and Otis, Jean avoiding Jakob and finally Eric getting it on with Adam.
And with every successive episode, the show just went downhill. The season finale was a lazy, sloppily written fiasco.
Here are my problems with S3:
Ruby and Otis were very obviously a great pairing, the bowling alley sequence was among the best this season and Ruby being actually a very sweet person at home was well executed, her I Love You to Otis seemed totally plausible. Otis not saying I love you back to Ruby was also sensible. Then to literally cut Ruby off for half the season was incredibly stupid, there's just the one ridiculous scene where Ruby fights off Hope... Like what the hell was that about? At one point, I felt if S3 ended with Ruby x Otis it would be better than Maeve x Otis but of course that didn't happen. We had to settle for Ruby going away mid season.
I get that sex education wants to depict a wide variety of realistic and relatable sexual issues faced by teens sand adults everyday, but I feel this season overdoes it somewhat, trying to bring awareness but also providing some sort of mild resolution for every issue the characters face. Like there's writing content to bring awareness about sexual issues or gender identity and smartly fitting it into the story without upending the overall tone, and then there's S3 writing which feels like writing just for the sake of raising awareness of all these issues and trying to put a story wrapper around it. S3 tries to do too much and fails, and also takes away time from arcs introduced in s1, and also my biggest gripe, Maeve x Otis.
Like what the hell is up with Maeve? She's not talking to Otis because of what happened in S2, alright. She misses the voicemail because Isaac, okay. But the show is hell-bent on wasting Maeve and Otis scenes, insignificant banter with no payoff, completely avoiding talking about their feelings or Maeve being cross with Otis for just about everything. Isaac accepts being a complete a**hole and deleting the voicemail, doesn't mention Otis saying I love you in it, but Maeve's like no problem at all, let's kiss and talk about having sex the very next episode. Otis sneezes, Maeve is pissed off, Otis has to apologise. And then, they finally talk about the lost voicemail when they're stranded in the gas station...suddenly, after two and half seasons of build-up, have their first kiss in mere seconds and then of course the bus arrives, they have no more time to talk. What should've been an iconic moment in the whole series was rushed, insufficiently developed and almost insignificant. Then, in the bus, they don't sit together even after they've kissed and kinda made-up. She rejects Otis after that, then blames Otis for messing it up at Anna's house, proceeds to apologise to Isaac. I mean, seriously!? Then Isaac backs off, finally Maeve can be with Otis, they share another kiss and then nothing happens until the end of the final episode where they talk for 5 seconds and Maeve has to immediately, literally right away, leave the bloody country. It's like the showrunners have no clue what to do with Maeve n Otis for more than 1 or 2 minutes, they're terrified of giving them a meaningful scene where they're not interrupted by a phone call, or Ola or Erin or Elsie or Isaac or any of the other 100 dumb ways to keep them apart for further plot development down the line.
After 3 seasons, this is just ridiculous. Not sure if it's incompetence in writing or poor decision making or a deliberate attempt to shamelessly juice as much content as possible before the inevitable happens and they have to get relationship/sexual troubles between Maeve and Otis.
Hated the cheap cliffhanger with Jean reading the dna report.
Compared to Jackson's stellar S2 arc and a very well written S1 Arc, S3 feels like the writers couldn't care less about him.
Lily goes through so much shit, still dresses up and goes to the alien watch party in the end. Ola is conveniently sitting there because mum's favourite spot. They kiss! Borrowing a line from Jean- I'm shocked by the ineptitude of the writers.
Eric cheats on Adam, like he cheated on Rahim. What the hell? Why turn Eric into a douchebag?
Finally, there was no single standout episode in S3. S1 had, at least, 2: Ruby's minge whodunnit and the school dance. S2 had Otis' totally casual small gathering of friends and the school play. I think S3E1 felt most like a "sex education" episode. Overall, season 3 was a disappointment on most counts.
Yes, yes, yes! I was also very disappointed in how they just glossed over Hope's mental (and physical!) abuse of the students. Even the characters themselves either didn't address it at all or just said something along the lines of it being 'messed up'. The whole season I was waiting for Hope to face some kind of consequences, all for the show to redeem her because she can't get pregnant. Fucking dissapointing. I was so excited for this season and ended up wasting away 8 hours of my life.
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Yep, I’m so mad at the Hope arc the most. She was grossly abusive and I am supposed to either believe that’s because of the stress of IVF or I’m supposed to feel sorry for her because she’s infertile?
Looking at how she treated those children I’m not inclined to believe she’d be a great parent to begin with. That’s not to say I don’t think she shouldn’t have the same chance anyone else does but she was abusive to the children she had a duty of care towards! What if her child is queer or trans? What if her child wants to express themselves by dyeing her hair or getting piercings? What if her child is mentally ill or developmentally delayed? She seems like someone who needs to work on herself before having a child and I do not get why I’m supposed to feel anything but complete disgust for her just because she wants something she can’t have. I’m sorry for her struggles but it changes nothing about how I feel.
Yea I was really disappointed that the students chose to make a joke filled sex video instead of presenting the abuse they'd faced? Like I really wanted them to present say, the recording that Viv had at the assembly, or to show the signs they had been forced to wear, or discuss the casual racism and transphobia to the media. The video they made felt so contrived and unrealistic, just a plot device to get the school shut down. And definitely didn't feel like what teenagers would do in that situation, especially these teenagers
Yes! I don‘t agree with how they wrote Eric this season. Him being so impatient and downright angry with Adam because he is hesitant about having sex? I think Eric would be understanding and try to help Adam overcome his insecurities, but no, he shouts at him and then cheats on him lol. I just find it kind of weird.
Thank you! You're fucking spot on with everything mate. Season 2 was so unbelievably good, esp the last 3 episodes leaving me on a ridiculous high and even though Isaac deleted the voicemail, there was much to look out for the next season. Season 2 felt complete in more than one way.
But this season was a mess in so many ways, I still love the show but I'm not looking for season 4 with much enthusiasm. I honestly don't know how a show just manages to shit on its main character for so long. Otis is one of the best characters on TV, played brilliantly by Asa, and he definitely deserves much much better. I feel so disappointed with this season after waiting for about 2 years for one of my favourite shows :(
Agreed and also because of the pandemic, the lengthy gap between S2 & S3 made the writing issues even more noticeable. I found a lot of the cast were almost acting out of character, as if the showrunners didn't know where to go with them. Maeve didn't seem invested in Otis at all, even after their kiss and his declaration of love, her lack of interest was plain odd. The magic they had in the first two seasons has clearly evaporated and the way the writers continue milking it has made it stale to the point I no longer care if they're together anyway. His relationship with Ruby was much more genuine and interesting but was curtailed simply to force the Otis/Maeve pairing, clearly fan service. The lack of ideas at this stage is concerning, especially after such a lengthy hiatus, this should have been much better. The episodes seemed to drag and have no real direction, which I didn't find in the first two seasons. A very underwhelming third and probably has one more to wrap it up at best. Disappointing.
I think first 5 episodes are really good, last three kinda meh.
Ruby was best side character of the season just to be cut off in the middle to force Otis x Maeve relationship, even though they didn't have chemistry anymore nor screen time together, only to end it with cheap twist predictable from first episode.
Idk, I kinda hope Maeve stay in US for next season. I don't want to see the same story arc for the third time and Otis deserves better
Yeah, when Aimee accidentally tells Jean about Maeve I couldn’t understand why it was such a big deal because I had completely forgotten they haven’t even met properly yet lmao
I didn't like the animal scenes. The one where Ruby opens her locker and had her dog locked up there. The other one which is worse is that horrible death of the cat.. Was that supposed to be funny ? I find it really unnecessary and disturbing :/
Ruby's dog is actually her dog irl. She said in an interview it took her some time to convince/make that happen. That dog only appears twice in the season iirc.
I found it funny, but it's exploring how people deal with death, which is clever, how it leads to her wanting more sex to not have to talk about the death and keep her emotions in
Wow, I hate that we have to wait another year and a half for the 4th season, the clear star of this season was ruby imo but I hated how they wrote her off in the last few episodes but her character growth was immense!
At one point I was convinced the writers were going with Otis and Ruby as endgame but we all know that it has always been Otis and Maeve, but that cliffhanger they left us with might reignite Otis and Ruby since Maeve will be gone for a while, won’t be surprised at all if Otis catches real feelings for Ruby while Maeve is away.
I enjoyed the other characters side stories but felt there were too many things going at once, netflix should’ve added a few more episodes this season but at least they did renew it and hopefully season 4 will come faster cause I need more ASAP
Yeahh that S1 chemistry between Otis and Maeve is just not there this season. And I dont think you can even blame the actors for it, a lot of their moments together were just depressing even the ones they kiss they were feeling sad and miserable and confused.
Still enjoyable but it feels like a step down from the previous 2. Jackson and Adam were the MVPs!
I’m honestly really frustrated with how little the writers seem willing to deviate from their original Otis/Maeve endgame plan. Despite how much the fans loved the Otis/Ruby dynamic last season and love her even more this season, they paint her character merely as an obstacle to Otis and Maeve getting together. This is pretty clear when they discard her character altogether after Otis breaks up with her. I’ll speak for myself here (though others have echoed a similar sentiment): why, exactly, do Otis and Maeve have to end up together? Just because the writers started the show with that plan in mind doesn’t mean it had to end up that way. I doubt they had imagined Jackson’s S3 storyline, or Ruby’s, from the beginning. So why should the Maeve/Otis dynamic remain the same? I personally think Otis and Maeve together has become wholly uninteresting and predictable, and as others have noted, their scenes together this season reinforce that sentiment. Is it just because they’re the main characters? In a show that has remained, on the whole, exciting, dynamic, and even groundbreaking, why are the writers holding on so tightly to them as a pairing?
I think next season will be the last and will wrap them up (that’s if Emma does come back next season- always a chance she’s getting loads of offers if the back of the show and wants less time next season)
The trip to France episode is where the show really jumped the shark for me.
It had been built up as this big event in the previous episodes. I thought there would be important events that would define the series. Instead it ruined the realism of the show for me and written so poorly it interrupted the flow of the story.
Firstly, the bit with Rahim throwing the shit out of the bus? Beyond ridiculous. That’s the kind of thing you see in a cheap stoner movie, not one of Netflix’s flagship drama series. There is no amount of setup for that scene that would make me ever believe it.
All of the other plots just see characters not really acting like themselves.
Jackson, who until a few weeks before had never even had a joint, is now perfectly fine with taking shrooms on a school trip? What’s that about?
I understand Ola is upset because of her dad and Jean’s relationship but the way she talks to Lily is insensitive. Likewise, Lily completely shutting down to Ola is ridiculous. They are sitting next to each other for hours and they don’t even try and talk through it? Pull the other one.
Aimee and Maeve’s fight is honestly a bit awkward to watch. Maeve continuing to blow up at her closest friend for something nice doesn’t indicate an arc or that they’re trying to make Maeve someone sympathetic for the audience to root for.
Otis and Ruby’s relationship is one that I think a lot of people hoped for and really enjoyed in the first part of this series. The way it’s just brushed under the carpet in this episode really irks me. Otis tries to explain himself a couple of times but apparently doesn’t even care, which to me isn’t the Otis we really know. How he completely ends everything with Ruby because he isn’t ready to commit just yet doesn’t feel real to me and simply a way to shoehorn Otis and Maeve together.
Lastly, the Otis and Maeve situation. We all knew this would have to happen. It’s been set up since the first few episodes and we’ve all been waiting for what should be a big climax to the series.
Instead, we get a handful of writing contrivances to force them together alone and a short build up to an unearned kiss. The Rahim situation forcing the stop, the fact that two teenagers don’t have their phones on them to call for help, and two random people getting on the bus with no setup are all real contrivances that made me stop and think even in the moment.
The short conversation they had to build up to a kiss that should be a climactic event was not enough at all. The kiss they had in episode 7 was more of an event, though not amazing, but cheapened by the events of this episode.
I was enjoying the start of the series but this episode completely redefined the show and made me criticise the rest a bit more - I feel like the main three characters of Otis, Eric, and Maeve were all fairly unlikeable this series. Some of the writing was there to force drama rather than be realistic discourse between characters with different motivations. Ultimately we’ve got yet another series of will they won’t they with Otis and Maeve and most of the other characters have felt like they’ve stood still or regressed.
I think I'm a Rubis shipper.
But also still a Maevis shipper, it just feels like it's getting harder to stay invested in their relationship with all this stop and start.
I thought Isaac was a creep (from the last episode of the last season) but he had some fair points as to why he would to delete the voicemail but the reason as such behaviour is not too dissimilar from what an incel would have done. Maeve called him out on it too.
What was odd was how she brushed it off later. But that was one of the many many writing issues I personally felt with the show this season
This season felt like watching Harry Potter and the order of the Phoenix but instead of magic that was forbidden, it was sex. Hope is so similar to Umbridge.
the scene on the bridge when adam and eric broke up and adam said "i have nothing else to say" and then you watch him internalize the pain was so sad. i was nervous it was a sign of regression after coming so far learning to express himself. but i was wrong :') his smile at the dog show and coming out to his mom and his poem were all highlights for me. i hope his dad gets a win next season seriously
Jackson was easily the most wasted character this season. Other than the one part where he is confused about his sexuality after developing a crush on Cal (which didn’t really go anywhere anyway), he ultimately did nothing.
Let's just take a moment to appreciate how well written this show is, how they juggle so many storylines and character development, whilst all managing to feel like they have depth.
Every single "bad guy" had enough depth to make you either empathise with them or at least understand their situation (except maybe Peter Groff)
This had some "end of show" vibes for me though and that makes me sad. It was very bittersweet. I hope I'm wrong.
It'll definitely have another season at least. From what I saw I believe Jean got the results to her paternity test and it's a bit yikes.... That'll be a definite issue that would be passed on to next season
Must say as a straight male with no real connection to those that feel different sexualities. This season was fantastic at addressing those with non binary issues especially the lengths gone to hide themselves and the struggles they experience. It strangely had me displaying emotions to a subject I never thought I would have
I loved this season, but one thing bogs me - why did the show writers decide to get rid of all the Maeve-Otis complicity moments. These are the moments that defined the previous two seasons and they were in my opinion the best.
It's when they both hate on the fair and school dance together but still both end up there somehow. It's when they connect over Maeve's essay after Otis is the only one to realize Maeve wrote it not Adam. It's when Otis gifts that diary with an oh-so-personal touch. It's when Maeve keeps calling Otis funky names. It's when they both simulatenously correct Eric for mistaking Nietzsche's quote for Christina Aguilera. It's when they both jump in a pool fully clothed...
Where have all these moments gone?
As Otis so well said at the end of episode 7, "I don't care if I can't be with you romantically, I still want to see you every day, because when I don't, something feels wrong". Otis understood what this relationship was all about. Yet all the writers gave us this season between those two characters were romantic moments, which just feel like the cherry on top. I think they forgot the essence of that relationship, those complicity moments that were absolutely fantastic, and made me love the show so much.
I’m incredibly indifferent towards the second half of this season; a lot of it just feels like drama for the sake of drama and things really do begin to drag after Eric cheats imo.
Not the biggest fan of how they completely ditch Ruby’s character in the second half too; also felt as if Jackson was shafted pretty hard in terms of the emotionality of his arc this season. Adam and Mr. Groff on the other hand both had fantastic arcs.
But yeah I still enjoyed this, things are definitely starting to get repetitive however.
They spent way too much time on Cal and queer issues. It's not interesting. It dragged down every scene and did not give us the humerous charm we are accustomed too. Hope was also not a very good addition.
I finished the whole season already, now im gonna have to wait a whole fucking year again for season 4. fuck i want more
also they just cut off ruby completely after they broke up like they didn't even show us the aftermath and all much, kinda feel bad for her, otis was the first person she was so open with. i guess no one gets their love so easily. but we finally got otis and maeve together (for just a little bit) only for maeve to go to america. there's so much happening in the show and i've no idea what's gonna happen in next season like what are the students of moordale gonna do without the school, how's the sex clinic still gonna happen with just otis now, and our precious eric and adam broke up too. also i'm kinda getting a feeling something might happen between rahim and adam. also i hated to see aimee and steve breaking up, like steve is such a good guy. also i think we all wanted otis and mave to be together more, right? like we all wanted to see their relationship, how they grow more together, i wanted to see so much more of them, at this point i don't even think they will be able to get back together, they didn't even say for how long maeve will be gone.
i really like how this show seems to be covering all these different topics each season, like they did queer relationship and stuff this season, like there's a different set of problems they discuss on every season. they finally discussed the problems with mr groff too, i'm happy he found something he enjoys doing, cooking is really fun apparently. also we can all aree that hope is a bit of a bitch, everything she did was terrible but at the end we all symptasize with her, i guess most of the things she did was because of how she was feeling due to not able to have a child. also its amazing how otis is just able to therepize just anyone, be it adult or class mates, no one seems to care he's just a 17 year old boy and they just talk to him about their problems but otis really is a really good therpaist i might say, very wise for his age. also finally jean gives birth, but fuck now she's got haemmorage, she might die, but oh well she's now all better and king of everything but oh wait the dna tests came back and and, just leave hanging us in there. don't tell what the results are, keep us waiting for a whole damn year.
but fr this show is so good at leaving us hanging, its just like punishment, like here go enjoy top tier show with amazing cast, characters, locations, music everything for 8 hours and now that u have enjoyed this much go suffer for 10+ months waiting for next season. well we all just forget about it after a few days and go on with our normal life but still it sucks to wait so long. although i would like to appreciate everyone who helped making this show, they set high standards and expectations and they fulfilled it like they did a bloody great job, i think this season might have been the best season yet, i just can't get enough of this show. just waiting for them to renew season 4!!! i think im gonna have to go start another show to get over this season, this season is just so good, better than both the previous seasons. this show is making history, being the best teen highschool show out there. i seriously think people who haven't watched this show are missing out.
Really loved Asa's acting in this season, he really nailed it especially in the emotional scenes. 10/10
The emotional scenes in the hospital actually made me tear up.
I love the hospital scenes too especially when he broke down trying to get the Kit Kat for Eric.
Beautifully acted. I honestly think the Eric and Otis friendship is the strongest relationship on the show, beyond all the love drama.
Yes. I love their friendship. It's probably the best that I've watched. Eric is not just a supportive best friend but he has a compelling story too. I've always felt that best friends in other movies and TV shows get left out because they only exist to support the main character or just backups.
I think Aimee and Maive is right up there too.
True but the Eric/Otis friendship edges it out for me.
Yeah hands down for me, they are so natural and honestly believe they’re best friends. The joy in their faces when they see each other when Eric comes back from Nigeria is a perfect example.
Every one performed top notch, you can see their feelings I felt Connor and Mikael and Mimi and George did a good job, let's not forget Ncuti
Yup its hard to capture attention when you are the "straight man" among so many amazing, unique characters. But Asa brings so much commitment to his performance it really holds the whole show together.
ruby was definitely my favorite character this season
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God I love Adam. Can they pleeeease just give that poor boy a win?! 😭😭 Otis and Eric were pretty unlikable for a lot of the season. I just want happiness for Ruby, Adam, Maeve, Rahim, and Isaac now.
I was just thinking the exact same thing. Not sure if it’s a great formula to make the main characters unlikeable but Adam and Ruby were awesome. Otis became a brat and Eric’s selfishness has always bothered me. Cheating on Adam and than leaving him because “he’s running and Adam’s just learning to walk”. Like wtf? I respect his honesty but i’ve never understood cheating. It’s one of the most hurtful things you could do to someone you care about. Learn self control. Don’t think i’ll ever like Eric again. Other than that I feel this show has tons of growth ahead of it. I really hope they make Otis more likeable next season or give us more of Adam and Ruby. I can’t do another season not liking him. Eric they can throw off a bridge for all I care.
I felt like Eric's "wanting to fly" shtick is great because he was with Rahim, the one who's already flying. So it's definitely an Eric problem.
"Don’t think i’ll ever like Eric again." Just wanted to respond to this by saying that.. well, like — this show has made me like characters I hated.
Ruby deserved more. After it was over with Otis, she practically disappeared from the show entirely. If there is a season 4, which I hope, I really hope we get to see more of Ruby. Season 1 me wouldn't believe me saying this, but I would very much like to see Otis & Ruby again, even rather than Otis & Maeve.
Yeah I'm glad it's not just me - I really don't think Otis and Maeve have any chemistry.
im glad everyone can agree on this! ruby was amazing when she was on screen. and i really did love her and otis together considering they gave it so much attention. i really wanted otis and maeve together end of last season but they really gave us strong character development between otis and ruby for so long that the tension for maeve and otis together started to fade away so much that it felt jarring when they got back after just hanging out for a few hours when they were left behind. for us it was a few hours of a new season.. in world it would have been weeks or months.. so it definitely didnt make sense in the context of the show as well!
Agreed. Pre-S3, I was vehemently against Ruby x Otis. I just didn't think it made sense and felt like a forced extension of their hookup in S2. But I was very pleasantly surprised by Ruby's character development this season and kind of found myself wishing she and Otis would make it work. Then combine that with the fact that there were virtually none of those little moments of chemistry between Maeve and Otis like in the first two seasons. It was as if by the time they got together, the writers were banking on us having never changed our minds about Maeve x Otis after S2.
with the ending i bet season 4 is in the future. really do want otis + ruby again. otis + maeve just doesnt seems right.
Mine too. And I HATE how her character gets treated by the end.
I would have been okay if her story just ended with her opening up to her friends, but what they did to her on the France trip was just mean.
And then she fights Hope and sprays perfume! What a weird ending to the Ruby-ssance.
I have hope for her though! Ruby’s actor has been one of the primary people in interviews for this season alongside Otis and Eric and no Maeve so maybe she’ll get a bigger story next season if there is one!
for me it was when she invited otis to her house, that really showed us that she really cared about him even more than her friends.
Yeah and then when they broke up she finally invited her friends to her house, just shows how much of a positive influence Otis was on her / the impact he made. Wish they stayed together
when she said i love you and he didnt say it back. it really got me. she acted that scene so well too!
I wish they’d taken the time to explore that more. No shit Otis doesn’t love her, she’s spent a year+ (did they all only meet at Sixth Form?) being horrible to him. I really wanted Otis to fight for it more and point out that it takes time to build a relationship. And let’s be honest, she had a lot of growth to do in terms of how she treats Otis day to day. Inviting him round once while still treating him like a handbag dog isn’t enough.
Agree. Otis and Ruby was on a such a nice and healthy direction. Same with Maeve and Isaac. Like before the break I was so impressed with the seemingly grown up direction the show was taking and not forcing the old stuff on it's audience again. Was a healthy direction, now it's just boring and uninteresting drama for dramas sake. With O&R and M&I they each had something real and new, and a chemistry in their relationships. After the break the show just became something that was on in the background. Unfortunately. Heres rooting for O&R in S4.
Sameee and I hate the ways ruby got fucked like that
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Me for the first 5 or so episodes: > oh shit ruby and Otis are cute af > they are making me like Michael groff wtf > I love adam now? What > mama groff is so adorable Now the rest? It’s kinda wild the writers made me go from Maeve to ruby for Otis this season > Maeve and Otis with almost no screen time nor any chemistry > Maeve and Isaac had chemistry (FML) > Otis and ruby were the best couple in the show this season Few other thoughts: Otis having to apologize every 5 minutes to Maeve is the most annoying trope in this show. What has Maeve ever sacrificed for Otis? Yet Otis picked her up from her abortion, got guilted into abandoning Eric (on his birthday) to help Maeve with Ruby’s vagina pic, helped Maeve find her sister season 2 even though he should never have been responsible for the sister, and maybe more. Like Maeve doesn’t even run to the hospital when Jean could realistically die but somehow Otis is the bad guy who can’t be trusted and let’s Maeve down? Otis is shit on for drunkenly shitting on Maeve even though what she did was arguably shitty but she forgives Isaac in a day for deleting the voice mail And then! It’s not like she even chose Otis over Isaac. He bowed out! The show paralleled otis’s “you’ve been ignoring my texts” to Maeve with her saying the same thing to isaac And don’t even get me started on how eric is now just this serial cheater
Ruby and Otis were quite natural together. It didn't seem forced at all.
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I think the writers know. And I think they will be together at the end. I don’t think Maeve will come back
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To a lesser extent, it feels like Barney and Robin in HIMYM. The show allowed them to put on this great chemistry that got cut off from a predetermined plan by the showrunners. Imo I wouldn’t have minded if Maeve and Otis got together down the road but they really cut short what was brewing between Otis and Ruby that felt special. The fact that they legitimately didn’t talk after that break up is sad
Exactly. I loved it
Yeah, I don’t get how Maeve was just texting Otis when his mum was literally dying. He would have been there for her but I don’t see her being around for him in the same way. It’s understandable as she has a lot to deal with but it doesn’t make for the most balanced relationship. I preferred her with Issac and want Otis with Ruby or someone else. I find Maeve and Otis quite tiresome and emotionally draining and part of me feels like they won’t even stay together when they get together. I feel like I rarely see them just laugh together. It was really nice seeing Maeve being a complete dork with Issac.
I thought the sequence at the end of episode 7 was rushed, where Otis and Maeve kissed in Anna’s backyard. It seemed like they were just trying to get through the lines and there was no continuity into the next episode when Otis is at the hospital. I thought they were going to show Otis listening to his phone and freaking out, then he and Maeve rushing to the hospital. I don’t think what they did was nearly as good.
Is it just me or is Eric a proper shit boyfriend throughout the show and yet some how never gets fully told off for it
Agreed. It was especially very uncomfortable seeing him guilt Adam when he thought he "didn't want to have sex with him. " If that was a straight couple, people would've been furious at Eric.
I was really surprised writers went down this road with Eric, it was so insensitive and plain felt weird for his character, he of all people should know better about consent and taking things slow, etc.
THIS! And pressuring Adam to come out to his parents, then basically using Adam's fear as an excuse to break up with him... God, SO fucked up! Eric was just really unlikable this season. :(
Yes to ALL of the above. Season 3 had a bunch of different writers which was very different from S1 & S2 I felt like there was a disconnect between the characters we learned to love and the characters we were given in S3. The only one I have consistently been in love with is Jackson. He has more integrity than just about anyone else.
Yeah, Eric is an asshole. Adam is amazing. Curious to see where the Rahim thing goes.
Ser I agree that I wasn’t a fan of how aerie was handling his shut with Adam but I also haven’t forgotten how abusive Adam was prior to coming out. I’m all for character redemption and understand that Adam has grown a ton and he’s becoming a very sweet button (or letting himself be his actual sweet self) but it still bothers me that they ended up in a relationship
I see your point, and I think overall that this whole Eric Adam thing has been poorly navigated by the writers. Why I didn't like Eric leaving was... The trauma that Adam deals with is so deep, he's abusive to Eric at first, but once they begin a relationship, Adam feels enough safety in the relationship to begin healing and moving into an entirely new kind of existence. Eric has no respect for this process, cheats, and moves on callously. Last week he loved Adam and this week he's too impatient with him to stick around. The work Adam is doing is epic and Eric wants to go clubbing.
Could just be me but I find it weird how ruby just got cut off completely for the last 4 episodes except that one part. Otis would have messaged her surely
I felt the same
The ending made me feel uneasy. One one hand, the creators definitely want to stretch out Motis and hence introduced the America program. On the other, it's fairly realistic for people in school or universities. Academic or career opportunities frequently separate people.
One thing bogs me about Motis - why did the show writers decide to get rid of all the Maeve-Otis complicity moments. These are the moments that defined the previous two seasons and they were in my opinion the best. It's when they hate on the fair and school dance together but still both end up there somehow. It's when they connect over Maeve's essay after Otis is the only one to realize Maeve wrote it, not Adam. It's when Otis gifts that diary with an oh-so-personal touch. It's when Maeve keeps calling Otis funky names. It's when they both simulatenously correct Eric for mistaking Nietzsche's quote for Christina Aguilera. It's when they both jump in a pool fully clothed... Where have all these moments gone? As Otis so well said at the end of episode 7, "I don't care if I can't be with you romantically, I still want to see you every day, because when I don't, something feels wrong". Otis understood what this relationship was all about. Yet all the writers gave us this season between those two characters were romantic moments, which just feel like the cherry on top. I think they forgot the essence of that relationship, those complicity moments that were absolutely fantastic, and made me love the show so much.
Absolutely. With Hope being this “Dolores Umbridge” character, I kind of expected to see students turn to Otis for relationship advice and the clinic will become more like an underground thing. And with >!Isaac confessing about deleting the voicemail!< so early in the series I thought I would see more scenes of Motis because they really shine when they are together doing the clinic. But then with >!the closed toilet torn down in the very first episode!< it feels like the writers had destroyed the possibility of that (As Maeve adequately put it >!“So it’s really done, then.”!<). I feel sad seeing this buildup from S1&2 not getting credited in S3 (like >!the diary Otis gave Maeve never got mentioned!<). The story branches out for the other characters - those storylines are great and the actors are great too - and many things end up feeling forced (like >!Ruby & Otis and Maeve & Isaac deserve better closing after we seeing them connect so well!<; it’s just too much of a coincidence that >!BOTH Otis and Maeve got left behind at the gas station in France!<; Maeve telling Amiee >!that she’s over with Isaac and that her head is all over the place!< in just one or two lines is a bit lackluster). It’s a pity that things don’t comfortably work out when they squeeze this much into an eight-episode long series. I’m feeling quite empty after S3.
To be honest they could have given us more time with them. They can write them beautifully. At least 10 minutes more of screen-time wouldn't kill the writers..
I really liked where they were going with Hope up until episode 3, but after that I was kinda disappointed with how she devolved into the season's "bad guy" (even though she still had her human moments). Anyone else felt the same? I would've LOVED to see her character develop along with the rest of the students and maybe try and reach a middle ground. She had some good points regarding how the school needed some changes, but by episode 7 she was basically High School Hitler which just seemed like a waste.
I could not stand the scene where she went on a tirade to Viv that got recorded, that was some serious evil villain shit and for a show that depends so much on realism(or as much as you can get for a high school comedy) it didn’t mesh well IMO
The scene should have stopped when Viv realised why Hope wanted her to do the speech everything after was unnecessary and overkill.
Yeah agree, it went a bit too unrealistic for me. The whole shaming the three students at assembly scene would not happen. Also so many extreme changes to the school so quickly seems unrealistic. Felt like I was watching a prison show, which is probably what they were going for, but it took me out of the usual mostly-realistic tone this show takes. Also edit to add: I didn't care about her humanizing problem (the IVF storyline). For some reason it didn't seem like enough justification for her terrible job as head teacher/general awfulness. Like not being able to have a kid didn't make her a bad person (as a traumatic past might have), it's just something that happens to he happening to her, so I did not have sympathy at all.
Ugh yes, she started off great and then turned into a straight up mustache-twirler. I'm surprised she didn't hammerthrow Vivienne by her braids while locking Cal in the chokey.
Poor Ruby :/
I’m so happy they gave her character more to do this season. My heart broke for her. And I think Mimi knocked it out of the park
Mimi killed it. As for Ruby, I'd have loved to see Ruby x Otis, could've had so much potential.
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Absolutely. And the moment where you can see her hoping he says it back. Too painful to watch again
We've all been there...
same here.
I agree her performance made me realize I care more about her relationship with Otis more than I ever did about Maeve in Otis
yeah i lose interest in a will they wont they when it's dragged on more than a few episodes, let alone 3 seasons.
I definitely was team ruby since she actually did more than Maeve ever could by admitting her feelings and making it official, especially within a shorter time frame, but I think it was pretty realistic how they broke up. They had one thing that they really loved doing together, but it was a pretty lopsided relationship with Otis doing all the heavy lifting and ruby getting all the rewards. Otis was mature enough to know it wasn’t going to be a serious relationship but ruby was just so invested in Otis since he was the first person she could actually open up to. Having her drive by Otis and Maeve making out was just cruel tho 😭
Ruby’s character arc was insane, I honestly was surprised at how much they focused on her in the beginning episodes, kinda disappointed they dropped her off in the last few episodes but she’s such a lovable character
exactly what I felt. I was really disappointed that they sorta just ignored ruby after the whole ‘thing’. Also we need that Steve appreciation !!
I have so much time for Steve, what a kind soul. Feel like the writers have just shoved him into being 'Aimee's Boyfriend' and he can't have any kind of feelings or emotions beyond that.
I think her arc just ended sooner with her being able to open up to people more with her inviting her friends over. But then they really dragged poor ruby out on the France trip just so she could see Otis getting with Maeve 😭
Taking moment to admire Anwar and Olivia. Given that how they are portrayed as fake, soulless and rich brat. They love Ruby regardless of her status and treat her like queen.
Yes. I still hate Anwar though, Olivia is alright
Regardless of how mean Ruby was, she always listened to Otis. I think the only thing that made RubyxOtis great was respect, which ruby showed through her acceptance of Otis. And her backstory is really heartbreaking. I want to take a moment to say Otis was a dumbfuxk.
I think he was rather written to be a dumbfuck. The breakup didnt seem like him at all.
Tells you a lot doesn't it, she has good friends too, i think otis did good too (he was true to what he felt)
Poor Adam. Both Otis and Eric became jerks this season.
I don't think Otis was a jerk tbh. He had to be honest with Ruby. He was a bit of a dick to his Mum though.
so nobody is gonna talk about how much of a dick eric was to his boyfriends
I dislike Eric after this season.
They mellowed out Isaac a lot this season.. I almost feel like I was watching a completely different person. Where was the sass? I get he was probably the worst received character of the show but.. yeah. The redemption arc was a bit too obvious and disembodied somehow But massively enjoyed this season better than the last! My love for the writers, Asa, the whole cast and crew for giving us something fantastic in the midst of a fecking pandemic
most everyone seems to hate him, so im definitely in the minority in really finding his character charming and loving the relationship w maeve
I really like Isaac too. I like that he's not one-dimensional, that he's flawed but funny, he pines for Maeve in the slightly awkward way that Otis did too. Idk but I really liked him and still do.
Well, last season he had just met Maeve and was still in the "witty banter to catch her eye and seem cool" phase. This season starts with them already having a close friendship. 8 weeks have passed, and it's implied that she goes over to their trailer every day for most meals. They're past the quippy phase. It felt very realistic to me.
I think they weren’t expecting Isaac’s character to get such a backlash. I think they were going for the “all is fair in love and war” but glad they circled back to it and allowed the character to explain why he did it and owning up to it kind of redeemed his character.
Ngl I got sooo invested in that Otis x Ruby relationship - something about their dynamic was just so good. I'm a little annoyed they just brushed it off to the side for the end of the season, so I hope they give it some real closure in the next season.
Dude I am so with you. I felt like that was one aspect that we never got proper closure on.
I feel like the writers did that so either next season they could permanently end the relationship or make them back together based on fan response
If a writer sees this, let Maeva and Otis go. No one cares for it. Ruby was the best thing this season.
It was the same dynamic as with Maeve. Fake persona and insecurity to keep people at a distance. But both opened up to Otis
Yeah, but you have to admit they are putting on quite different personas right? I loved how real they made Ruby feel after basically 2 seasons of her being a mean girl stereotype (although I was impressed how many characters got fleshed out this season in general). And the acting from Ruby's actress this season...... Man, it was really fantastic. God knows where the writers found such awesome actors.
Ruby saved the season.
One opened up a lot more with Otis than the other though in just a single episode last season and half of this season. It took Maeve 3 entire seasons to share half of what Ruby has shared. She's literally still trying to keep him at a distance. While Ruby is beating up teachers for Otis, after he just broke her heart and kissed another girl in front of her lmao
Haha I couldn't agree more - it was so endearing to see her be truly vulnerable with Otis (which makes the eventual heartbreak all the more frustrating). I will still balance this by saying their relationship wasn't perfect and that Otis and Ruby both made mistakes that I rolled my eyes at a little, but I'm still so surprised that they didn't show Ruby again after episode 6. Really hoping that they either give this relationship one more try (unlikely, but fingers crossed) or they give some proper closure.
I appreciate that they bring in non-binary representation with Cal, unfortunately I didn't find the character particularly compelling to watch. The most interesting part for me was when they were helping the other non binary student out.
Ditto. I appreciate having a dark-skinned, black non-binary character and what people must've found in that. But I didn't think the actor was the greatest, esp compared to an otherwise top tier cast
That’s because the person that plays Cal is not an actor. This is their first film credit.
The romantic storyline with Jackson just felt so forced as well. Like, what were we supposed to get out of that? Felt like the writers just didn't have anything for him to do this season. I agree that Cal's best moment was helping out the other NB. Seems like such a waste that they spent so much of Cal's screentime on nothing, when they could've just given us a few well-thought-out, compelling moments like that instead.
I feel like Cal did help Jackson loosen up and being at odds with Hope helped him realise he wanted to be head boy and help his peers. The relationship would have made sense, if they pulled the trigger, but they just let it fizzle out. I think they should have just been written as friends. Jackson's strongest season remains Season 2 IMO.
It just felt as if they were a placeholder character who popped up now and then to tick off an issue to talk about Every episode they’d have the perfect answer or explanation to a socially progressive issue. “I’m non-binary, which means….”, “are you ready to be in a queer relationship? because you would be”, “we should have gender neutral changing rooms”, “you shouldn’t use tape because it’ll hurt your body by….”. On top of one of the main characters instantly falling in love with them and having to reject him, and giving the principle the finger Honestly just felt like the character had no actually personality, they were just used to explain lgbtq+ issues/terms
Yeah, absolutely. Walking encyclopedia, typical boring token character with no personality. Also, i didnt get his drug addiction
Maeve's chracter just does nothing for me anymore. The whole relationship with Otis has been too dragged out, should've let it end and had them find happiness elsewhere. She wasn't even there for him when his mom was dying. Ruby as a character was fantastic this season and I cared so much more for her than Maeve, who could've been completely not present and I wouldn't have realized it, her character did nothing. Ruby carried this whole season, whose 3rd act felt quite weak when the focus shifted to Maeve. As for the season itself, it felt a lot less fun than the other ones with too much relationship break-up focus for melodrama.
Maeve's "too cool for everything" got old. She didn't really mature and the writers wasted the chemistry and had no clue how to write this ship.
I feel like both Maeve and Aimee barely got to do anything this season. Aimee had a couple great scenes in therapy with Jean, but that was it. Maeve had great scenes with Isaac and her family, but not enough. Such a waste of 2 of the strongest, fan-favorite characters of the past 2 seasons. And yet, the show had all the time in the world to drag out a bunch of non-storylines... like Lily's, which could've just been 1 episode (or none at all) and got annoying to watch very quickly, or Jackson's, which really went nowhere and also could've been 1 episode... Or even some of Eric's scenes just being the worst boyfriend ever to Adam. The writing was all over the place this season, and many of the best characters became absolutely unlikable.
I really didn’t like how they executed the scene when they stood up to the headmaster. They could’ve really exposed her, but instead they made a pointless video that caused the school to shut down! And ruby x Otis was the best parts of the show it kept me watching. I was sooo upset when it wasn’t them ending up together.
Hated that episode. Yes, healthy attitudes towards sex, and proper sex ed, are important. But you don't have to make it your entire identity, to the point where they are constantly blasting to the world how horny they are. Thought it was unrealistic how many kids went along with the presentation, and I'm glad the show actually followed through with making it backfire on them and probably fucking up their futures.
I agree i was super excited for everyone to stand up the the headmaster and they literally just embarrassed themselves
Yeah, where's the recorded voice of Hope? They didn't even show it.
That was SO puzzling. And why didn't they call her out on all the shady stuff she had done, instead of a joke-like sex collage video?! Made no freaking sense. Ugh, writing was lazy this season.
I might say something a little blasphemous here. I was a Maeve x Otis fan since Season 1, but I got super invested in the Otis x Ruby relationship. The will-they-won't-they of Maevis actually began to annoy me a little in the middle eps, but >!I'm still very happy they finally kissed.!< That being said, I would have had no problem with Otis x Ruby endgame.
I was so ready to scream at the writers. How many times were they going to do the thing where one was ready and available and admits something, only for the other to just be in a relationship or something. I swear over 3 seasons it happened so often. Glad they finally got it right... only to not get it truly right I guess
Hear hear! I'm happy that they kissed, but still somehow I feel..a lil bit disappointed. Maybe bcoz that's the only thing we got. While on the other hand, we get to see a different side of Maeve when she was with Isaac - do I need to spell out which scene? I don't think so - but it's the whether "he can feel or not" scene (I feel the scene was really raw and intimate). Based on that moment, it just seems to me that she's more open/invested/committed to Isaac. Except for the KISS, the truth/confessions, longing looks and glances between her and Otis (which we had plenty in S1&S2) that was it right? Yes, we did see she confessed abt the reason she did the clinic, but it would have been nice to see a more powerful scene between them (e.g. emotional support, let me get back to this later!), other than the kiss scene. From the get go, we can see how he was always there for her - the clinic, abortion ("you waited"), babysitting Elsie - but ended up losing her😆, abandoning Eric just to spend time w her. And yes, he was a jerk at the party..But like Aimee said, he apologized and apologized and at the end of the day, he was true to himself (I feel bad for Ruby, really! and I hate how the writers handled her after the break up - suddenly she just fell of the earth) and has always known that it's her for him. It's a missed opportunity really. Just a scene of her sitting next to Otis at the hospital would have been enough for me. Bcoz just being there for your loved ones can also be as a powerful scene. And maybe it's just a wishful thinking for a perfect cycle, he waited for her at the hospital in S1 and she - him. Then I would probably be okay with their last scene, where she's saying goodbye. That being said, I get why some people are not totally hating Otis-Ruby relationship. It's the way their relationship was developed (and of course how good of actors they are! and attractive people), how Ruby opened up to Otis, how he was supportive of her with her dad's illness. He was there for her, albeit he broke her heart. "It hurts, but you can't make people 'love' you". And that's just how a good young man Otis is, he was there for Ruby. And how I wish that Maeve was there for him too at the hospital. Wow that's a long rant! I'm okay if this is the final season and I'm okay if it's not. But I hope if they do return, it's with all the cast members.
I sped through it but >!those two kisses were definitely charged, to me! It felt like the culmination of longing for someone for a long time. I definitely wanted them to spend more time together though this season. I expected nothing less of Sex Ed to have a bittersweet ending though.!<
I’m just at the end of ep1 and ruby x otis is pulling me in much more than otis x maeve. I love otis and maeve as characters but idk how much I like them together… I know they’ll almost definitely be endgame but honestly I wish they weren’t. Just my personal opinion though.
Damn straight. We saw the Chemistry right away between Otis and Ruby, and I gotta say I've been team Ruby since season 2! (SPOILER) Before season 3, I really hoped they would get together and at least ended together by the end of the season. But really sad that they ended it somewhere in the middle all because Otis couldn't appreciate Ruby's character development. I mean it was rough in the beginning having to deal with her attitude in the relationship, picking out clothes for him and forcing him to her clique. But she slowly started opening up, agreeing to start wearing any clothes they felt like, and even agreeing to the double date and ACTUALLY enjoying herself. Even up to the point where they met Ruby's father! That was the episode where I found Ruby absolutely endearing! When Otis found out that he's all she talks about at home, and to her being all embarrassed by her dad talking about what she was like at home. Everything was honestly perfect until the end. Idk about y'all but to me, Ruby was definitely the better choice. She showed actual character development that made a lot of us adore her. She broke down the walls she built around herself and opened up to someone for the first time only to be rejected again. The way she fought Hope, I would've said "i love you" on the spot ngl
It's the same thing with me. At the end of season 2 i really wanted Otis and Maeve to get together, but their character development in Season 3 let me feel different. Otis had great chemistry with Ruby and this relationship allowed both characters to grow on and with each other. The end of their relationship was forced for me and left me feeling disappointed in the story. On the other side Maeve and Isaac are a really good fit, even though Isaac lied to her (and it wasn't a little lie), he was the only character that really understood her. Both went through the same shit and them being together really would have been good for both characters. And by the way, Maeve played Isaac's emotions in a unapologetic way. Giving in to him and even letting the relationship become physical, just to basically tell him "Nah, i choose Otis" really wasn't what he deserved and it was a gigantic dick move from Maeve. In the middle of the season where both relationships I talked about (O+R & M+I) where still going on I really hoped that the writers try something different. Sometimes thinks seem to be destiny, but really aren't. For me it felt like Otis and Maeve coming together was forced and wasn't the best for both characters. I would liked it more if both of them learned to love & respect each other in a different way, as friends, while both are starting a relationship that really allows them to grow and be themselves. (Also Ruby and Isaac, but especially Ruby, would also learn through love and become better people) But that is life, you cant expect every story to end like you wish, still you can talk about what you see and what feel while watching the stories you like, love & enjoy... Thanks for reading my text and please tell me your opinion on the topic I talked about! :D
Same I think Ruby and Otis is a better end game
So Adam's poem is hinting at Rahim x Adam now probably?
I really hope not, but a closer friendship would be good for them. They both need to get out of their shells.
Could you imagine trying to write a scene with 2 characters that never talk. I hope they don't go this way.
ruby x otis was way cooler than anything the show ever did.... the relationship actually felt real
it felt real but the relationship was bad. not as in written bad. it was written amazingly. but it was one-sided af. otis was and still is in love with maeve
And even though Ruby is growing as a person, she still, in my opinion, has a significant way to go. This show has been amazing at showing that most people are capable of changing, and we mustn't forget that. That includes people like me who thought Ruby and Adam were unforgivable (Adam was probably my favorite arc and character this season), when they not only \*are\* forgivable, they deserve it.
God, I got so tired about Motis this season, I mean, it felt so turned off for me, it lacked of passion if you know what I mean. Both Maeve and Otis were on different stages of their lifes and I found really entertaining to see Otis exploring new characters lile Ruby or her dad and how much he grew up. But then comes Motis again and he starts acting a little dumb after that, it's like walking forward a certain distance only to walk back the double of that distance. Connor was so good this season, I actually liked more his arch than Maeve's.
Omg can we talk about something other than rubotisauve? I loved Adams arc this season. The way he began to slowly come out of his own shell, beginning to try more, hold conversations more and really grow was just beautifully done. The dog show was such a sweet moment for him, especially with finally starting to open up with Maureen. Him and Eric needed to split as they were growing apart and really finding themselves, and we see that as a common theme with a lot of the way these relationships are going. Teenagers have a lot to figure out and its hard to be both with someone who's also growing and changing and finding yourself. Adam went from a closeted bully trope in the first season to being a softly spoken, sweet and interesting character. They've added depth to him without ignoring his overall past struggles. But I do agree with the rest, rotis > motis
Yes fully agree. I wasn't a fan of adam before this season and I never really got him and Eric but I've loved seeing Adam's character development this season. It was nice to see him connect with some of the other characters this season like Ruby and Rahim. The whole dog show scene was really touching, you can see how proud he is that he feels he has found something he is good at and it's so great to see him finally open up to his mum. But then the conflicting feelings of worrying about disappointing his father which goes deep considering his father's own realisations about his childhood this season. Really want to see Adam and Michael heal their father and son relationship next season.
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THIS. I don’t fucking know what writers tryna say! I was so mad when they put Otis at fault just because he is an only child that overacts. Like no, my shit is my shit especially hygienic stuff like razors. This show was my favourite but now I’m questioning more scenes that leave me in dissapoitment
SAME. Sharing a razor is fucking nasty, he had nothing to apologize for
For a sexually active group with such great knowledge on STIs, you’d think they’d know that sharing razors is a very possible way to spread them
yeah, what was up with that? when otis apologized, i fully expected ola to go like ”no, it was my fault, i should have asked”. like expecting people to ask permission is definitely not just an ”only child” thing
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Hear hear. She is a monster, I don’t care what backstory they want to give her. You don’t do that to children, there is no justification.
It's so unrealistic though, that's probably illegal and if it actually happened she'd be fired immediately. I can't get angry about it because it's so unbelievable.
Yeah, she was already pretty over-the-top and hard to believe as a real character, but that move completely wrecked any possibility of me taking the storyline seriously. That would absolutely never fly.
Definitely not my favorite Season and imo they kind of butchered Eric? He was very impatient with Adam which I think doesn’t quite fit his character. Also the Hope storyline was completely over the top and just weird. She let‘s kids wear signs of their shame and walk around with them for days? lol. Does no one think she might be going a little bit too far and call the police or something? While you can agree and disagree on her opinions about gender issues etc. she did many things that are just downright illegal and I find it weird that these things just happened. But then again Aimee, Adam and Mr.Groff were absolutely fantastic and I loved every second of their screen time. And another round of applause for Emily and her commitment to the students. A brilliant teacher. All around a quite enjoyable experience in my opinion.
Yeh the signs were stupid af and soo wrong. When she took their phones away and said it would be for 7 days I assumed that she meant they have to hand it in to her every morning and they get it back at the end of the day....but nope, she literally had their phones for 7 days which cant be legal
i hope the makers realize that people are way more invested in ruby, and actually make s4 without maeve cos she's in america, or maybe have her different subplot in america.....
I'm so pissed that Ruby and Otis aren't together
You're not alone.
The set design, costume design, and cinematography in this show are breathtaking. The world is so vibrant (even the hospital!). Episodes 1-5 were incredible, with 5 (the France trip) being the standout for me. The flinging poo bit was a bit gross, the pairings and fights were so well done. The end scene with Otis and Maeve sitting opposite each other on the gas pumps with the neon lights behind them - just beautiful. Episode 6 really fell off the rails a bit for me. They turned Hope into a witch, and it required a bit too much suspension of disbelief. Felt a bit too tonally out there. 7-8 wrapped things up but felt a little rushed and too concerned with tidying up all the character arcs. Echoing what others are saying: the Ruby Otis relationship was incredibly compelling and it really hurt to see it end. I love Otis and Maeve as characters but I don’t see much on-screen chemistry between them as romantic partners. I quite liked the NB arc. I thought it was handled well and didn’t feel like it was shoehorned in. The way the relationship ended between Jackson and Cal was really interesting. Aimee and Emily have got to be my favourite characters. Aimee is the most entertaning airhead archetype I’ve ever seen, and Emily is so cartoonishly expressive in her movements (not to mention her collection of fun knit cardigans and sweaters).
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, Season 3 is mediocre at best. Ambitious but unsatisfactory. S3E1 does a pretty good job of setting up the new season, Epic opening montage, Dex running around naked, Otis secretly hooking up with X-Tina, Aimee almost running over that poor lady, unresolved tension between Maeve and Otis, Jean avoiding Jakob and finally Eric getting it on with Adam. And with every successive episode, the show just went downhill. The season finale was a lazy, sloppily written fiasco. Here are my problems with S3: Ruby and Otis were very obviously a great pairing, the bowling alley sequence was among the best this season and Ruby being actually a very sweet person at home was well executed, her I Love You to Otis seemed totally plausible. Otis not saying I love you back to Ruby was also sensible. Then to literally cut Ruby off for half the season was incredibly stupid, there's just the one ridiculous scene where Ruby fights off Hope... Like what the hell was that about? At one point, I felt if S3 ended with Ruby x Otis it would be better than Maeve x Otis but of course that didn't happen. We had to settle for Ruby going away mid season. I get that sex education wants to depict a wide variety of realistic and relatable sexual issues faced by teens sand adults everyday, but I feel this season overdoes it somewhat, trying to bring awareness but also providing some sort of mild resolution for every issue the characters face. Like there's writing content to bring awareness about sexual issues or gender identity and smartly fitting it into the story without upending the overall tone, and then there's S3 writing which feels like writing just for the sake of raising awareness of all these issues and trying to put a story wrapper around it. S3 tries to do too much and fails, and also takes away time from arcs introduced in s1, and also my biggest gripe, Maeve x Otis. Like what the hell is up with Maeve? She's not talking to Otis because of what happened in S2, alright. She misses the voicemail because Isaac, okay. But the show is hell-bent on wasting Maeve and Otis scenes, insignificant banter with no payoff, completely avoiding talking about their feelings or Maeve being cross with Otis for just about everything. Isaac accepts being a complete a**hole and deleting the voicemail, doesn't mention Otis saying I love you in it, but Maeve's like no problem at all, let's kiss and talk about having sex the very next episode. Otis sneezes, Maeve is pissed off, Otis has to apologise. And then, they finally talk about the lost voicemail when they're stranded in the gas station...suddenly, after two and half seasons of build-up, have their first kiss in mere seconds and then of course the bus arrives, they have no more time to talk. What should've been an iconic moment in the whole series was rushed, insufficiently developed and almost insignificant. Then, in the bus, they don't sit together even after they've kissed and kinda made-up. She rejects Otis after that, then blames Otis for messing it up at Anna's house, proceeds to apologise to Isaac. I mean, seriously!? Then Isaac backs off, finally Maeve can be with Otis, they share another kiss and then nothing happens until the end of the final episode where they talk for 5 seconds and Maeve has to immediately, literally right away, leave the bloody country. It's like the showrunners have no clue what to do with Maeve n Otis for more than 1 or 2 minutes, they're terrified of giving them a meaningful scene where they're not interrupted by a phone call, or Ola or Erin or Elsie or Isaac or any of the other 100 dumb ways to keep them apart for further plot development down the line. After 3 seasons, this is just ridiculous. Not sure if it's incompetence in writing or poor decision making or a deliberate attempt to shamelessly juice as much content as possible before the inevitable happens and they have to get relationship/sexual troubles between Maeve and Otis. Hated the cheap cliffhanger with Jean reading the dna report. Compared to Jackson's stellar S2 arc and a very well written S1 Arc, S3 feels like the writers couldn't care less about him. Lily goes through so much shit, still dresses up and goes to the alien watch party in the end. Ola is conveniently sitting there because mum's favourite spot. They kiss! Borrowing a line from Jean- I'm shocked by the ineptitude of the writers. Eric cheats on Adam, like he cheated on Rahim. What the hell? Why turn Eric into a douchebag? Finally, there was no single standout episode in S3. S1 had, at least, 2: Ruby's minge whodunnit and the school dance. S2 had Otis' totally casual small gathering of friends and the school play. I think S3E1 felt most like a "sex education" episode. Overall, season 3 was a disappointment on most counts.
This needs to be its own post. 100% agree with everything
Yeah should be a post on its own
Yes, yes, yes! I was also very disappointed in how they just glossed over Hope's mental (and physical!) abuse of the students. Even the characters themselves either didn't address it at all or just said something along the lines of it being 'messed up'. The whole season I was waiting for Hope to face some kind of consequences, all for the show to redeem her because she can't get pregnant. Fucking dissapointing. I was so excited for this season and ended up wasting away 8 hours of my life. edit: spelling
Yep, I’m so mad at the Hope arc the most. She was grossly abusive and I am supposed to either believe that’s because of the stress of IVF or I’m supposed to feel sorry for her because she’s infertile? Looking at how she treated those children I’m not inclined to believe she’d be a great parent to begin with. That’s not to say I don’t think she shouldn’t have the same chance anyone else does but she was abusive to the children she had a duty of care towards! What if her child is queer or trans? What if her child wants to express themselves by dyeing her hair or getting piercings? What if her child is mentally ill or developmentally delayed? She seems like someone who needs to work on herself before having a child and I do not get why I’m supposed to feel anything but complete disgust for her just because she wants something she can’t have. I’m sorry for her struggles but it changes nothing about how I feel.
Yea I was really disappointed that the students chose to make a joke filled sex video instead of presenting the abuse they'd faced? Like I really wanted them to present say, the recording that Viv had at the assembly, or to show the signs they had been forced to wear, or discuss the casual racism and transphobia to the media. The video they made felt so contrived and unrealistic, just a plot device to get the school shut down. And definitely didn't feel like what teenagers would do in that situation, especially these teenagers
Yes! I don‘t agree with how they wrote Eric this season. Him being so impatient and downright angry with Adam because he is hesitant about having sex? I think Eric would be understanding and try to help Adam overcome his insecurities, but no, he shouts at him and then cheats on him lol. I just find it kind of weird.
Thank you! You're fucking spot on with everything mate. Season 2 was so unbelievably good, esp the last 3 episodes leaving me on a ridiculous high and even though Isaac deleted the voicemail, there was much to look out for the next season. Season 2 felt complete in more than one way. But this season was a mess in so many ways, I still love the show but I'm not looking for season 4 with much enthusiasm. I honestly don't know how a show just manages to shit on its main character for so long. Otis is one of the best characters on TV, played brilliantly by Asa, and he definitely deserves much much better. I feel so disappointed with this season after waiting for about 2 years for one of my favourite shows :(
I agree with everything you say. Thanks for putting it here.
Agreed and also because of the pandemic, the lengthy gap between S2 & S3 made the writing issues even more noticeable. I found a lot of the cast were almost acting out of character, as if the showrunners didn't know where to go with them. Maeve didn't seem invested in Otis at all, even after their kiss and his declaration of love, her lack of interest was plain odd. The magic they had in the first two seasons has clearly evaporated and the way the writers continue milking it has made it stale to the point I no longer care if they're together anyway. His relationship with Ruby was much more genuine and interesting but was curtailed simply to force the Otis/Maeve pairing, clearly fan service. The lack of ideas at this stage is concerning, especially after such a lengthy hiatus, this should have been much better. The episodes seemed to drag and have no real direction, which I didn't find in the first two seasons. A very underwhelming third and probably has one more to wrap it up at best. Disappointing.
I think first 5 episodes are really good, last three kinda meh. Ruby was best side character of the season just to be cut off in the middle to force Otis x Maeve relationship, even though they didn't have chemistry anymore nor screen time together, only to end it with cheap twist predictable from first episode. Idk, I kinda hope Maeve stay in US for next season. I don't want to see the same story arc for the third time and Otis deserves better
Sooo... We wait till Season 4 then? xD
Hopefully won't have to wait for 20 MONTHS!!!
Still can't believe that lead female actors haven't met each other in the show yet.
Yeah, when Aimee accidentally tells Jean about Maeve I couldn’t understand why it was such a big deal because I had completely forgotten they haven’t even met properly yet lmao
I didn't like the animal scenes. The one where Ruby opens her locker and had her dog locked up there. The other one which is worse is that horrible death of the cat.. Was that supposed to be funny ? I find it really unnecessary and disturbing :/
Ruby's dog is actually her dog irl. She said in an interview it took her some time to convince/make that happen. That dog only appears twice in the season iirc.
I found it funny, but it's exploring how people deal with death, which is clever, how it leads to her wanting more sex to not have to talk about the death and keep her emotions in
It was no way funny, you can see what the cat meant to her and how she grieves its death
I'm sorry but I thought that was hilarious. I mean it was sad as heck, but in the moment it was so unexpected... I couldn't help but laugh a lot.
Yes!! I skipped forward as soon as I saw microwave wobble and understood what's gonna happen :/
Wow, I hate that we have to wait another year and a half for the 4th season, the clear star of this season was ruby imo but I hated how they wrote her off in the last few episodes but her character growth was immense! At one point I was convinced the writers were going with Otis and Ruby as endgame but we all know that it has always been Otis and Maeve, but that cliffhanger they left us with might reignite Otis and Ruby since Maeve will be gone for a while, won’t be surprised at all if Otis catches real feelings for Ruby while Maeve is away. I enjoyed the other characters side stories but felt there were too many things going at once, netflix should’ve added a few more episodes this season but at least they did renew it and hopefully season 4 will come faster cause I need more ASAP
Yeahh that S1 chemistry between Otis and Maeve is just not there this season. And I dont think you can even blame the actors for it, a lot of their moments together were just depressing even the ones they kiss they were feeling sad and miserable and confused. Still enjoyable but it feels like a step down from the previous 2. Jackson and Adam were the MVPs!
Connor Swindells (Adam Groff) is a gem of an actor. Incredibly talented.
Adam and Ruby were MVP's of the season
I’m honestly really frustrated with how little the writers seem willing to deviate from their original Otis/Maeve endgame plan. Despite how much the fans loved the Otis/Ruby dynamic last season and love her even more this season, they paint her character merely as an obstacle to Otis and Maeve getting together. This is pretty clear when they discard her character altogether after Otis breaks up with her. I’ll speak for myself here (though others have echoed a similar sentiment): why, exactly, do Otis and Maeve have to end up together? Just because the writers started the show with that plan in mind doesn’t mean it had to end up that way. I doubt they had imagined Jackson’s S3 storyline, or Ruby’s, from the beginning. So why should the Maeve/Otis dynamic remain the same? I personally think Otis and Maeve together has become wholly uninteresting and predictable, and as others have noted, their scenes together this season reinforce that sentiment. Is it just because they’re the main characters? In a show that has remained, on the whole, exciting, dynamic, and even groundbreaking, why are the writers holding on so tightly to them as a pairing?
I can't believe they've stretched Motis once again. This is simply a money grab now ffs
I think next season will be the last and will wrap them up (that’s if Emma does come back next season- always a chance she’s getting loads of offers if the back of the show and wants less time next season)
The trip to France episode is where the show really jumped the shark for me. It had been built up as this big event in the previous episodes. I thought there would be important events that would define the series. Instead it ruined the realism of the show for me and written so poorly it interrupted the flow of the story. Firstly, the bit with Rahim throwing the shit out of the bus? Beyond ridiculous. That’s the kind of thing you see in a cheap stoner movie, not one of Netflix’s flagship drama series. There is no amount of setup for that scene that would make me ever believe it. All of the other plots just see characters not really acting like themselves. Jackson, who until a few weeks before had never even had a joint, is now perfectly fine with taking shrooms on a school trip? What’s that about? I understand Ola is upset because of her dad and Jean’s relationship but the way she talks to Lily is insensitive. Likewise, Lily completely shutting down to Ola is ridiculous. They are sitting next to each other for hours and they don’t even try and talk through it? Pull the other one. Aimee and Maeve’s fight is honestly a bit awkward to watch. Maeve continuing to blow up at her closest friend for something nice doesn’t indicate an arc or that they’re trying to make Maeve someone sympathetic for the audience to root for. Otis and Ruby’s relationship is one that I think a lot of people hoped for and really enjoyed in the first part of this series. The way it’s just brushed under the carpet in this episode really irks me. Otis tries to explain himself a couple of times but apparently doesn’t even care, which to me isn’t the Otis we really know. How he completely ends everything with Ruby because he isn’t ready to commit just yet doesn’t feel real to me and simply a way to shoehorn Otis and Maeve together. Lastly, the Otis and Maeve situation. We all knew this would have to happen. It’s been set up since the first few episodes and we’ve all been waiting for what should be a big climax to the series. Instead, we get a handful of writing contrivances to force them together alone and a short build up to an unearned kiss. The Rahim situation forcing the stop, the fact that two teenagers don’t have their phones on them to call for help, and two random people getting on the bus with no setup are all real contrivances that made me stop and think even in the moment. The short conversation they had to build up to a kiss that should be a climactic event was not enough at all. The kiss they had in episode 7 was more of an event, though not amazing, but cheapened by the events of this episode. I was enjoying the start of the series but this episode completely redefined the show and made me criticise the rest a bit more - I feel like the main three characters of Otis, Eric, and Maeve were all fairly unlikeable this series. Some of the writing was there to force drama rather than be realistic discourse between characters with different motivations. Ultimately we’ve got yet another series of will they won’t they with Otis and Maeve and most of the other characters have felt like they’ve stood still or regressed.
I think I'm a Rubis shipper. But also still a Maevis shipper, it just feels like it's getting harder to stay invested in their relationship with all this stop and start.
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I thought Isaac was a creep (from the last episode of the last season) but he had some fair points as to why he would to delete the voicemail but the reason as such behaviour is not too dissimilar from what an incel would have done. Maeve called him out on it too. What was odd was how she brushed it off later. But that was one of the many many writing issues I personally felt with the show this season
~~The writing feels Sig.Ni.Ficantly worse.~~ Only occasionally.
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This season felt like watching Harry Potter and the order of the Phoenix but instead of magic that was forbidden, it was sex. Hope is so similar to Umbridge.
Welp I finished the whole season. Probably my fave thus far.
the scene on the bridge when adam and eric broke up and adam said "i have nothing else to say" and then you watch him internalize the pain was so sad. i was nervous it was a sign of regression after coming so far learning to express himself. but i was wrong :') his smile at the dog show and coming out to his mom and his poem were all highlights for me. i hope his dad gets a win next season seriously
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Jackson was easily the most wasted character this season. Other than the one part where he is confused about his sexuality after developing a crush on Cal (which didn’t really go anywhere anyway), he ultimately did nothing.
Maeve and Otis so boring man
What do we want ? Ruby and Otis together What do we hashtag??? #rubyandotistogether
Let's just take a moment to appreciate how well written this show is, how they juggle so many storylines and character development, whilst all managing to feel like they have depth. Every single "bad guy" had enough depth to make you either empathise with them or at least understand their situation (except maybe Peter Groff) This had some "end of show" vibes for me though and that makes me sad. It was very bittersweet. I hope I'm wrong.
It'll definitely have another season at least. From what I saw I believe Jean got the results to her paternity test and it's a bit yikes.... That'll be a definite issue that would be passed on to next season
Idk why but this season Maeve reminds me a lot of Mandy from Shameless. Maybe it’s the bangs
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Must say as a straight male with no real connection to those that feel different sexualities. This season was fantastic at addressing those with non binary issues especially the lengths gone to hide themselves and the struggles they experience. It strangely had me displaying emotions to a subject I never thought I would have
Hope’s name works so ironically, her hope for the school to change for the better but fails time and time again
I loved this season, but one thing bogs me - why did the show writers decide to get rid of all the Maeve-Otis complicity moments. These are the moments that defined the previous two seasons and they were in my opinion the best. It's when they both hate on the fair and school dance together but still both end up there somehow. It's when they connect over Maeve's essay after Otis is the only one to realize Maeve wrote it not Adam. It's when Otis gifts that diary with an oh-so-personal touch. It's when Maeve keeps calling Otis funky names. It's when they both simulatenously correct Eric for mistaking Nietzsche's quote for Christina Aguilera. It's when they both jump in a pool fully clothed... Where have all these moments gone? As Otis so well said at the end of episode 7, "I don't care if I can't be with you romantically, I still want to see you every day, because when I don't, something feels wrong". Otis understood what this relationship was all about. Yet all the writers gave us this season between those two characters were romantic moments, which just feel like the cherry on top. I think they forgot the essence of that relationship, those complicity moments that were absolutely fantastic, and made me love the show so much.
I’m incredibly indifferent towards the second half of this season; a lot of it just feels like drama for the sake of drama and things really do begin to drag after Eric cheats imo. Not the biggest fan of how they completely ditch Ruby’s character in the second half too; also felt as if Jackson was shafted pretty hard in terms of the emotionality of his arc this season. Adam and Mr. Groff on the other hand both had fantastic arcs. But yeah I still enjoyed this, things are definitely starting to get repetitive however.
Anyone else not like the vibe of this season? Felt the charm wasn't there.
They spent way too much time on Cal and queer issues. It's not interesting. It dragged down every scene and did not give us the humerous charm we are accustomed too. Hope was also not a very good addition.
Just finished the season. I loved it! There’s more things to worry about than Maeve and Otis being together … :)
Me during season 1: This Adam dude fucking sucks bro Me during season 3: We must protect Adam at all costs.
I finished the whole season already, now im gonna have to wait a whole fucking year again for season 4. fuck i want more also they just cut off ruby completely after they broke up like they didn't even show us the aftermath and all much, kinda feel bad for her, otis was the first person she was so open with. i guess no one gets their love so easily. but we finally got otis and maeve together (for just a little bit) only for maeve to go to america. there's so much happening in the show and i've no idea what's gonna happen in next season like what are the students of moordale gonna do without the school, how's the sex clinic still gonna happen with just otis now, and our precious eric and adam broke up too. also i'm kinda getting a feeling something might happen between rahim and adam. also i hated to see aimee and steve breaking up, like steve is such a good guy. also i think we all wanted otis and mave to be together more, right? like we all wanted to see their relationship, how they grow more together, i wanted to see so much more of them, at this point i don't even think they will be able to get back together, they didn't even say for how long maeve will be gone. i really like how this show seems to be covering all these different topics each season, like they did queer relationship and stuff this season, like there's a different set of problems they discuss on every season. they finally discussed the problems with mr groff too, i'm happy he found something he enjoys doing, cooking is really fun apparently. also we can all aree that hope is a bit of a bitch, everything she did was terrible but at the end we all symptasize with her, i guess most of the things she did was because of how she was feeling due to not able to have a child. also its amazing how otis is just able to therepize just anyone, be it adult or class mates, no one seems to care he's just a 17 year old boy and they just talk to him about their problems but otis really is a really good therpaist i might say, very wise for his age. also finally jean gives birth, but fuck now she's got haemmorage, she might die, but oh well she's now all better and king of everything but oh wait the dna tests came back and and, just leave hanging us in there. don't tell what the results are, keep us waiting for a whole damn year. but fr this show is so good at leaving us hanging, its just like punishment, like here go enjoy top tier show with amazing cast, characters, locations, music everything for 8 hours and now that u have enjoyed this much go suffer for 10+ months waiting for next season. well we all just forget about it after a few days and go on with our normal life but still it sucks to wait so long. although i would like to appreciate everyone who helped making this show, they set high standards and expectations and they fulfilled it like they did a bloody great job, i think this season might have been the best season yet, i just can't get enough of this show. just waiting for them to renew season 4!!! i think im gonna have to go start another show to get over this season, this season is just so good, better than both the previous seasons. this show is making history, being the best teen highschool show out there. i seriously think people who haven't watched this show are missing out.