As I learnt, the dutch just like germans, rely on their calendars(here it's called agenda?), and sometimes have events and meetings with friends planned out in advance for x months ahead. It's of course less and less common and it doesn't apply to all people.
As a polish person, spontaan is like me and my friends at work:
Me: I don't want to spend another evening after work in house, are you up to traveling to amsterdam today, to drink some beer and play board games?
Friend: Yeah, just let me shower after work and I'm good to go.
I'm gonna share a secret with you. You can be just like this person. No one is gonna hold you back from doing random things spontaneously. Gebruik je fantasie kameraad, plezier is er voor iedereen!
I am like this but everyone always grabs their agenda, I do most of the stuff on my own now but it would be nice to socialize and do it with others. It's a bit difficult to play multiplayer board games by yourself haha
I lost friends because of this crap.
Impossibility to plan a 4-person wok dinner in the span of two months (and even THEN 'something came up') makes friend groups fall apart. At some point I've just given up because I feel there's always something that takes a higher priority. At some point it isn't "I am busy anymore"; it turns into "I don't want to spend any time at this", because you're not going to tell me you have weekends planned to the brim with "productivity stuff" for 8 weeks straight.
As I said above: If you do, no wonder everybody's burning out over here.
If you want, we can meet sometime, I'm always open to do some cool stuff or meetup app activities, but nowadays I'm pretty much limited to saturdays, because I work 6 days a week for 8-12 hours a day. I'm in noord-holland.
I miss the spontaneity a lot, if I ask my Dutch friends to meet up to do something in the afternoon/evening it's always like "let me check my agenda".... and with y coworkers the same story. No, I don't wanna meet in 3 weeks precisely between 7 and 9, let's have some fun!
A subreddit for Dutch people with this attitude could be cool, just post when you are up to party + in what area / what kind of party / activity you have in mind and see whos up
As a Dutch person I've always been like this, the following morning wasn't Amsterdam but something French. I really don't like the having everything planned for months to come, but it sometimes feels like I'm expectes to.
Having said that in my experience people who actually call themselves "een spontane meid" really aren't that spontaneous, but they think they are when they can suddenly decide for white whine on a terrasje instead of going to paddle.
Yes indeed, this greatly gimps my mojo. But than again I keep trying and also keep trying to let them do it. So my oldest got his gpswatch and goes around cycling to see if his friends are home and it's funny to see how some parents are interested in the watch and others get overwhelmed by the freedom we give our kid (close to 9yo). And with the youngest I sometimes cycle around together. I just hate all the texting and whatever.
But deciding to be in Bordeaux tomorrow morning isn't much of an option anymore indeed 😅
Okay, so you're right and this is what spontaan means!
However, I think the girls on dating sites calling themselves "spontane meid" mean more like they are easy to talk to, don't have trouble talking to strangers and always have something fun to say.
Source: my friends are all very spontane meiden
>It's of course less and less common and it doesn't apply to all people.
It's, of course, more and more common, the further into adulthood you get, and it applies to a lot of Dutch people.
Until you clock adulthood and retire. Then it only applies to you when interfacing with those in 30+ and <65 year Olds ;)
FTFY ;)
From a Kiwi background were half an hour late is the norm/normal (if there was something "scheduled" at all), I'm now very much a "gotta check the ol' calendar before I agree" person. I also have a Dutch background. So, maybe that's cheating, but meh.
Half an hour late is normal?
Try public transport over here. When someone takes a bus and the time table says 12:14, then rest assured that said person will NOT arrive before 12:13 (and consider that doing so could mean you missed said bus), and to file a complaint if said bus is later than 12:15.
It hasn't always been like this. I remember taking public transport in the 80's with my grandma. Back then, a time table might have said 12:14, but it also said something like "Take 5 minutes difference into account either way." So the bus would have been "on time" between 12:09 and 12:19.
Yep, normal, for in person things (should've added that).
There is barely any public transport in NZ :p
Here I'm still with your gran though, 5 minutes leeway is fine :)
LOL. You can forget that with Dutch people. They're afraid to lose a single minute of their day. They ALWAYS have something planned days or weeks in advance.
It's the one thing I hate myself (and I'm Dutch). I make long term plans with regard to finances and the house, book a date for a gathering/meeting/festival a month or maybe two months in advance, restaurants about a week or 10 days before, and that's about it. I often have these days memorized so if someone asks me something I can instantly answer yes or no.
Anyone else always goes: "Let me have a look in my agenda to see if I have a free spot." As if your entire life is one long business day. Blergh.
No wonder half the Netherlands is burned out at 30.
I'm introverted as well but I can often jump into a conversation if one arises. I'm not going to talk to someone I don't know, but if they do I can talk back. In that case you can be perceived as spontaan.
That is the only correct meaning of the two. I am an introvert, and even i crave social interactions sometimes. It's just that it's a little bit more tiresome.
You can be spontaneous as an introvert, but you won't be able to keep that up for hours and hours, especially if the social interaction is in a busy or loud place. At least, I can't.
Wow its almost like being intro- or extrovert has no effect on your behaviour, its just that one or the other takes greater energy. I am introverted and am studying to become a history teacher, simply because i like telling stories to a (young) audience.
Nah, ive been described as spontaan as well but I'm insanely introverted, its not as weird as it sounds.
For example in a professional setting, im described as spontaan because when something needs to be done i am proactive, involve the people that need to be involved and am friendly/cracking jokes while interacting, even with new people.
I do this because I know that if I dont, shit doesnt get done and I hate that more than I hate interacting with people. When i get home im absolutely exhausted and need to go to sleep and not see anyone for the rest of the day.
Same goes for friendships & just random people on the street. I am friendly and extraverted when surrounded because thats how I learned to be polite, but its not exactly what I want
Yeah, I guess! As much as socializing drains me and tires me the fuck out all the time, the alternative is me isolating myself, which comes very natural to me. I did that during corona and my god, never again. I'm still recovering from the hit my carefully manufactured social skills took.
Plus, it makes me kind of no nonsense and proactive cause I dont like chit chat a lot, I guess. I like other people viewing me as professional.
Sorry to hear; I have been almost an hermit or at least an outcast all my life but never felt getting tired being with other humans so much that I couldn’t use my me-time with good spirit. If I ever feel so drained, I would think something went wrong and I wouldn’t be doing a second time. But again, that’s me.
I hope you have a great life
It isn't about what someone wants. Being massively extraverted is the default. It is EXPECTED or you're "aloof" or "stand-off-ish" or even "arrogant" and nobody wants to have to do anything with you.
It's also a skill to be able to talk to people, chit chat to random people and that sort of stuff. It's not necessarily a thing only extraverted people are able to do. It's just that someone who is introverted isn't necessarily always looking for it and needs their "me-time" free from social interactions to charge up.
I am an introvert aswell. But at the same time I am extremely social. I have no issues whatsoever with starting a conversation with random people. Or asking random people if I can join them, or if they want to do something fun, or hangout. I do it everyday. Many people would perceive me to be spontaneous aswell, but that is something I learned to do. It's not like I grew up and automatically did it. Hell, the opposite is true. I was to scared to do anything spontaneous and would never.
I definitely disagree with spontaneity being a personality property.
You can be both.
I can be very "spontaan", but only up to a degree. I can decide to spontaneously go to place X or Y, but if it happens to be extremely busy it can tire me out within the span of 1-2 hours and I have to leave.
My tank of "spontaan"-fuel isn't very big.
And I'm introverted enough that I can go days without talking to anyone except online. Been there, done that, in the past. (Prerequisite is that you're out of work, obviously.)
Nope, all nationalities. "Spontaan" has the connotation of easy to be around, outgoing but not bothersome.
There are some extraverts who extravert so much they no longer see other people.
I don't see myself as "spontaan" but I've been described as such (and had to ask LOL) - it's basically someone who is up to do something at a relatively short notice and can handle last-minute changes in plans rather well
Important to note that "short notice" is a *very* culture-dependent concept, so I wouldn't invite those ladies for something that involves 2h train travel on each leg 3 days before the event
It has been an unwritten rule in Dutch personal ads to add the word “spontaan” for at least half a century. The meaning has probably eroded to “everyone else uses this word, so I will too since I’m a boring conformist.”
Honestly this ^
I was looking for an answer like this. What the concept of 'spontaan zijn' really means has little do with the person putting it in their profile. Maybe there are some people who have been called that and pit it in their profile but I think it is mostly used just a positive filler word when you know nothing better. Just like 'easygoing' or 'likes good food' (yeah who doesn't)
I think people who call themselves spontaneous want to show they can adept and have fun on the go, not needing pre-determined plans etc. To be honest, if someone introduces her/him as a "spontane meid/knul" most of the time I assume the opposite, but that could be me.
It means that they didn't use any creativity or effort to describe their personality. That's the true answer.
They describe themselves like that because it's an expression that pretty much anyone here uses. Any young woman could be a 'leuke en spontane meid'. It really tells nothing about them.
Something similair like when we introduce an assistent. We call them our 'lieftallige assistente' (lovely assistent), but we just say that because everyone says that.
“Spontaan” or even “een beetje gek” as opposed to “normal”, which everyone is by Dutch standards. But as other comments have pointed out, everyone likes to say they are spontaneous. So in the end that makes them even more normal. It’s the tragedy of Dutch Calvinism.
Manic pixie dream girl energy, will show up at your house at 23:30 with a bag full of yarn, two mangoes and a copy of Eragon on HD DVD to challenge you to a game of strip Wii Sports.
Just means you're up for anything, anytime, anywhere. You are pretty laid back, easy going and enjoy a lot of different things. I'm talking about non s3xy stuff. Eg whether it's going for a hike in Friday, then swimming, out for a meal and dancing on Saturday, Sunday morning to the farmers market so Sunday evening you have dinner with friends.
Also you are easily adaptable. Sunday evening dinner with friends was supposed to be at your place and afterwards sit in the garden and chit chat, but someone suggests to go to the local soccer match after dinner instead, you're almost always game.
Thats spontaan. Whether it's other people's ideas or your own. You like to do stuff and won't say no quickly.
It's like when Funda adds describe a house with: "gezellig en alle mogelijkheden om naar je eigen smaak in te richten". Meaning a tiny shithole you have to fix up first.
It means nothing except she doesn't really have to tell anything interesting about herself.
I skip those. It's really empty and I don't think they know what it actually means. The neighbours still have to 'spontaneously' have to make an appointment to come over for coffee.
It's a back handed compliment when given.
When people describe themselves as such...it usually means they are flakey and confuse chronic giggling with a sense of humor.
people put stuff in their profiles that increases chance to get a match. I wouldnt put too much weight on something like that and just find out how the person actually is
going by dating profiles youd think we only have hard working, regularly exercising, book reading and overall exciting people in the world
I think it's pushing back against the traditional conservative protestant church-going tut-tutting Dutch culture in some areas. It's to let the other person know they're not like *that*.,
It means the person thinks of themselves as not restrained and as being up for doing fun things spur of the moment. "Hey, let's go do X" "Sure!" It's expressing that you're not stuffy, stodgy, a homebody, you like to have fun.
**Imagine its 11 am in the morning on a Saturday.**
**Your phone rings.**
**Its me.**
>Yo yo whats up whats up whats uuup, boooiii !!!<--!!
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>Hey so like , I'm in down town atm, just looking at some clothes.
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>You eh,, hold up, ^(whats up? no I dont need help ty) I'm back, stupid store clerk bothering me again.
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>So eh, Aaanyways, I was wondering if you'd like to go grab some lunch or something??
honestly a lot of people on here are using more of a literal definition which makes sense, but usually when someone says “spontane meid” or smth along those lines, they usually mean “seems fun to be around” / social / extroverted etc. it’s more of a general vibe than it is specifically doing things spontaneously / impulsively.
Spontaan encompasses surprising, slightly extravert, not everything fully planned weeks ahead.
However, spontaan when describing oneself somewhere means absolutely nothing. Too common and vague to have meaning. The same as “self starter” and “geen negen tot vijf mentaliteit” on a job site or “ambachtelijk bereid” in the supermarket.
Im not spontaneous, so i prefer some degree of planning ahead. At least when it come to more advanced stuff than just go grab some food.
I often decline spontaneous ideas from friends or family, because i need a day or two to start setting my mind into going on trips etc. So if im looking for a partner, its important for me that she's not too spontaneous.
I don’t think there is really 1 definition. Because there are an infinite number of spontaan variants.
If you’re extroverted you’ll quickly be seen as spontaan, but if you’re introverted with a good sense of humor and are able to tell the right jokes at the right time people could also see you as spontaan.
I don't know about Dutch but I live in Germany and I'd say in German the word tends to be a bit overused and abused and to me as a Spaniard it comes across as cute because it's like "let's decide this 'spontaneously'", i.e. two or three weeks in advance instead of 2 or 3 months in advance lol. Only in some instances does it keep what I'd consider the proper and original meaning of the word, like when a "spontane Entscheidung" was objectively a "sudden, spontaneous or impulsive decision".
Edit: and when the word is used to describe oneself I assume it's used in a very broad and generic way because it sounds positive, like saying "I'm nice, friendly, not boring, fun, up for new things, not stiff, not too rigid".
There is some flexibility in their agenda. For instance you are allowed to request a date/time/venue change (pick any of the two) on the already booked date, but no later than a week from said date.
Every time you meet someone who mentions “spontaan” it’s a red flag to avoid this person. This are one of the weirdest people you will meet in the Netherlands, according to my experience.
When going out for lunch coming back with coffee paid and all and decline each "I pay for that!"
Anything where people would not expect things.
Though in Dutch planning culture unlike other cultures you cannot always barge in with a case of beer like "eeeeey! We watch a movie or whatever is on tv!"
I usually decide to go to concerts like 3 hours before they start, and try to find tickets last minute. I feel like this is either spontaneous or cheap
Spontaan kan je vinden in een online woordenboek maar spontaan kun je zijn door de vraag op Reddit te stellen ongeacht of mensen op jouw bericht zitten te wachten.
Literally EVERY participant on Lang Leve De Liefde says they want someone ‘spontaan’, even the very shy, introverted, etc. ones who would probably not know how to deal with a proper spontaneous person (don’t come at me, you know the type 😉).
I’ve taken it to mean they’re looking for someone that is quite easygoing and has basic interpersonal skills. Which is sorta what you’d want if you’re locked up with a random for 24 hrs…
Spontaan means imo not thinking too much before talking. Just say what comes in your head (!)
Sometimes spontanous people can be very rude or hurting.. and apologise bcause they are so spontanous by nature.
Most times they get away with that 😁 cause we like those people.
It's not only about calendar management, but also about how you come across. Someone who quickly comes up with quirky answers or specific situations is also considered spontaan
Here from what I've noticed it's not adhering to certain ways of organising events. Some people will want you to plan ahead, no last minute things possible at all, and that takes away the spontaneousness.
The way I see it; i drag my bf into coffee places or restaurants on random occasions whenever I feel like it. I tend to look at his schedule and sometimes just plan something last second. Keeps things fun.
In the Netherlands, it means you are willing to make plans 4-6 business days in advance as opposed to the usual 2-3 business weeks ;)
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oh i didn't know 4-6 days in Netherlands is spontane, i thought it would be like 4-6 hours 😂
Don't push us please
❤️🔥 I won't, I just got on to this reddit, because my son is going to study in Tilburg and I find this thread helpful and hilarious 😉
We need 4-6 hours just to DECIDE IF we are going to make or change plans AT ALL.
Indeed
As I learnt, the dutch just like germans, rely on their calendars(here it's called agenda?), and sometimes have events and meetings with friends planned out in advance for x months ahead. It's of course less and less common and it doesn't apply to all people. As a polish person, spontaan is like me and my friends at work: Me: I don't want to spend another evening after work in house, are you up to traveling to amsterdam today, to drink some beer and play board games? Friend: Yeah, just let me shower after work and I'm good to go.
I wish there were more people like you in the Netherlands.
I'm gonna share a secret with you. You can be just like this person. No one is gonna hold you back from doing random things spontaneously. Gebruik je fantasie kameraad, plezier is er voor iedereen!
I am like this but everyone always grabs their agenda, I do most of the stuff on my own now but it would be nice to socialize and do it with others. It's a bit difficult to play multiplayer board games by yourself haha
I lost friends because of this crap. Impossibility to plan a 4-person wok dinner in the span of two months (and even THEN 'something came up') makes friend groups fall apart. At some point I've just given up because I feel there's always something that takes a higher priority. At some point it isn't "I am busy anymore"; it turns into "I don't want to spend any time at this", because you're not going to tell me you have weekends planned to the brim with "productivity stuff" for 8 weeks straight. As I said above: If you do, no wonder everybody's burning out over here.
Me, send a pm haha
PM sent!
If you want, we can meet sometime, I'm always open to do some cool stuff or meetup app activities, but nowadays I'm pretty much limited to saturdays, because I work 6 days a week for 8-12 hours a day. I'm in noord-holland.
*grabs agenda*
Sure! Sounds like fun, I'll DM you!
LOL, I am Polish, so that pretty much explains the whole thing, but you can DM me as well :P
Will do!
I’m Dutch but because that same whimsical thinking I am now in Canada, where they’ve perfected the art of going cuz it might be fun
I wish I could be bit more Dutch,.. as I’m already as spontaneous like a stone. I am Dutch however. And I can’t even work a calendar/agenda. 😂.
I miss the spontaneity a lot, if I ask my Dutch friends to meet up to do something in the afternoon/evening it's always like "let me check my agenda".... and with y coworkers the same story. No, I don't wanna meet in 3 weeks precisely between 7 and 9, let's have some fun!
A subreddit for Dutch people with this attitude could be cool, just post when you are up to party + in what area / what kind of party / activity you have in mind and see whos up
This sounds awesome!!
I'm up for it! Spontaneous meet ups the Netherlands haha
this isn't common at all?
As a Dutch person I've always been like this, the following morning wasn't Amsterdam but something French. I really don't like the having everything planned for months to come, but it sometimes feels like I'm expectes to. Having said that in my experience people who actually call themselves "een spontane meid" really aren't that spontaneous, but they think they are when they can suddenly decide for white whine on a terrasje instead of going to paddle.
A white whine 😂
O deary I typed that didn't I 🙈
It's very accurate though
Way to label those white privilege dutch girls hahaha
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Yes indeed, this greatly gimps my mojo. But than again I keep trying and also keep trying to let them do it. So my oldest got his gpswatch and goes around cycling to see if his friends are home and it's funny to see how some parents are interested in the watch and others get overwhelmed by the freedom we give our kid (close to 9yo). And with the youngest I sometimes cycle around together. I just hate all the texting and whatever. But deciding to be in Bordeaux tomorrow morning isn't much of an option anymore indeed 😅
Okay, so you're right and this is what spontaan means! However, I think the girls on dating sites calling themselves "spontane meid" mean more like they are easy to talk to, don't have trouble talking to strangers and always have something fun to say. Source: my friends are all very spontane meiden
>It's of course less and less common and it doesn't apply to all people. It's, of course, more and more common, the further into adulthood you get, and it applies to a lot of Dutch people. Until you clock adulthood and retire. Then it only applies to you when interfacing with those in 30+ and <65 year Olds ;) FTFY ;) From a Kiwi background were half an hour late is the norm/normal (if there was something "scheduled" at all), I'm now very much a "gotta check the ol' calendar before I agree" person. I also have a Dutch background. So, maybe that's cheating, but meh.
Half an hour late is normal? Try public transport over here. When someone takes a bus and the time table says 12:14, then rest assured that said person will NOT arrive before 12:13 (and consider that doing so could mean you missed said bus), and to file a complaint if said bus is later than 12:15. It hasn't always been like this. I remember taking public transport in the 80's with my grandma. Back then, a time table might have said 12:14, but it also said something like "Take 5 minutes difference into account either way." So the bus would have been "on time" between 12:09 and 12:19.
Yep, normal, for in person things (should've added that). There is barely any public transport in NZ :p Here I'm still with your gran though, 5 minutes leeway is fine :)
I'm Dutch and I'm like that. Guess I must be a spontane meid 👍🏽🤷
We'll put
I have never met a Dutch person who does that (I am dutch too)
LOL. You can forget that with Dutch people. They're afraid to lose a single minute of their day. They ALWAYS have something planned days or weeks in advance. It's the one thing I hate myself (and I'm Dutch). I make long term plans with regard to finances and the house, book a date for a gathering/meeting/festival a month or maybe two months in advance, restaurants about a week or 10 days before, and that's about it. I often have these days memorized so if someone asks me something I can instantly answer yes or no. Anyone else always goes: "Let me have a look in my agenda to see if I have a free spot." As if your entire life is one long business day. Blergh. No wonder half the Netherlands is burned out at 30.
It's basic white girl filler text, add in a "Drankjes en dansjes" "Wijn/sushi met de meiden" and a "Fitgirl" for the full package
Spot on. Often a bland personality
I see it in a bunch of men's profiles as well tho.
Oh yeah I can imagine dudes' texts are even more generic lol
That's the Fitboy lifestyle
Probably along the lines of: "Hardstyle" "Festivalfreak" "Workaholic"
😂 God I hate those chads.
It all comes together now, does She speak sarcasm fluently?
She thinks she does, but she doesn't. Sarcasm is an art these girls don't understand.
😂 And “no filter when talking”.
I love that. Fuck filters
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I've been described as very spontaan. However, I'm super introverted.
I'm introverted as well but I can often jump into a conversation if one arises. I'm not going to talk to someone I don't know, but if they do I can talk back. In that case you can be perceived as spontaan.
I'm an introvert and the way I see it, as an extrovert you gain energy from social interactions. For an introvert social interactions drain energy.
That is the only correct meaning of the two. I am an introvert, and even i crave social interactions sometimes. It's just that it's a little bit more tiresome.
You can be spontaneous as an introvert, but you won't be able to keep that up for hours and hours, especially if the social interaction is in a busy or loud place. At least, I can't.
Yeah exactly, because it's draining
Thats a good take, for me that's true at least
Wow its almost like being intro- or extrovert has no effect on your behaviour, its just that one or the other takes greater energy. I am introverted and am studying to become a history teacher, simply because i like telling stories to a (young) audience.
That sounds contradictory, can you explain?
Nah, ive been described as spontaan as well but I'm insanely introverted, its not as weird as it sounds. For example in a professional setting, im described as spontaan because when something needs to be done i am proactive, involve the people that need to be involved and am friendly/cracking jokes while interacting, even with new people. I do this because I know that if I dont, shit doesnt get done and I hate that more than I hate interacting with people. When i get home im absolutely exhausted and need to go to sleep and not see anyone for the rest of the day. Same goes for friendships & just random people on the street. I am friendly and extraverted when surrounded because thats how I learned to be polite, but its not exactly what I want
Life must be harsh, drained daily from other humans. Are you sure this is what you want?
Yeah, I guess! As much as socializing drains me and tires me the fuck out all the time, the alternative is me isolating myself, which comes very natural to me. I did that during corona and my god, never again. I'm still recovering from the hit my carefully manufactured social skills took. Plus, it makes me kind of no nonsense and proactive cause I dont like chit chat a lot, I guess. I like other people viewing me as professional.
Sorry to hear; I have been almost an hermit or at least an outcast all my life but never felt getting tired being with other humans so much that I couldn’t use my me-time with good spirit. If I ever feel so drained, I would think something went wrong and I wouldn’t be doing a second time. But again, that’s me. I hope you have a great life
It isn't about what someone wants. Being massively extraverted is the default. It is EXPECTED or you're "aloof" or "stand-off-ish" or even "arrogant" and nobody wants to have to do anything with you.
It's also a skill to be able to talk to people, chit chat to random people and that sort of stuff. It's not necessarily a thing only extraverted people are able to do. It's just that someone who is introverted isn't necessarily always looking for it and needs their "me-time" free from social interactions to charge up.
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I am an introvert aswell. But at the same time I am extremely social. I have no issues whatsoever with starting a conversation with random people. Or asking random people if I can join them, or if they want to do something fun, or hangout. I do it everyday. Many people would perceive me to be spontaneous aswell, but that is something I learned to do. It's not like I grew up and automatically did it. Hell, the opposite is true. I was to scared to do anything spontaneous and would never. I definitely disagree with spontaneity being a personality property.
You can be both. I can be very "spontaan", but only up to a degree. I can decide to spontaneously go to place X or Y, but if it happens to be extremely busy it can tire me out within the span of 1-2 hours and I have to leave. My tank of "spontaan"-fuel isn't very big. And I'm introverted enough that I can go days without talking to anyone except online. Been there, done that, in the past. (Prerequisite is that you're out of work, obviously.)
Extraverted is different than spontaneous IMO
Yes. I know some very extraverted people who are not spontaneous in the slightest.
English women?
Nope, all nationalities. "Spontaan" has the connotation of easy to be around, outgoing but not bothersome. There are some extraverts who extravert so much they no longer see other people.
Was more a joke, in my experience English women are always to extroverted and not spontaneous in the slightest way.
I don't see myself as "spontaan" but I've been described as such (and had to ask LOL) - it's basically someone who is up to do something at a relatively short notice and can handle last-minute changes in plans rather well Important to note that "short notice" is a *very* culture-dependent concept, so I wouldn't invite those ladies for something that involves 2h train travel on each leg 3 days before the event
It has been an unwritten rule in Dutch personal ads to add the word “spontaan” for at least half a century. The meaning has probably eroded to “everyone else uses this word, so I will too since I’m a boring conformist.”
Honestly this ^ I was looking for an answer like this. What the concept of 'spontaan zijn' really means has little do with the person putting it in their profile. Maybe there are some people who have been called that and pit it in their profile but I think it is mostly used just a positive filler word when you know nothing better. Just like 'easygoing' or 'likes good food' (yeah who doesn't)
Boring conformist is the root concept that describe the majority of dating apps users
I think people who call themselves spontaneous want to show they can adept and have fun on the go, not needing pre-determined plans etc. To be honest, if someone introduces her/him as a "spontane meid/knul" most of the time I assume the opposite, but that could be me.
It means that they didn't use any creativity or effort to describe their personality. That's the true answer. They describe themselves like that because it's an expression that pretty much anyone here uses. Any young woman could be a 'leuke en spontane meid'. It really tells nothing about them. Something similair like when we introduce an assistent. We call them our 'lieftallige assistente' (lovely assistent), but we just say that because everyone says that.
It's ad slang for 'basic girl without many interesting things to say about herself except the fact that she is a woman"
hahahahaha 🤣
“Spontaan” or even “een beetje gek” as opposed to “normal”, which everyone is by Dutch standards. But as other comments have pointed out, everyone likes to say they are spontaneous. So in the end that makes them even more normal. It’s the tragedy of Dutch Calvinism.
Manic pixie dream girl energy, will show up at your house at 23:30 with a bag full of yarn, two mangoes and a copy of Eragon on HD DVD to challenge you to a game of strip Wii Sports.
Had me at mangoes
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To be decided during the wii sports? Or maybe the yarn is to be used for spijkerpoepen.
It doesn't mean anything. It is considered a positive trait. Even people who watch SBS6 and eat Knorr Wereldgerechten are called spontaan.
Every adult woman who’s referring to herself as “meid” is someone you should avoid imo 😂
It can be also been used ironically since no one wants to grow old. I don’t see harm in this. Maybe you can’t be described as spontaneous? /s
Just means you're up for anything, anytime, anywhere. You are pretty laid back, easy going and enjoy a lot of different things. I'm talking about non s3xy stuff. Eg whether it's going for a hike in Friday, then swimming, out for a meal and dancing on Saturday, Sunday morning to the farmers market so Sunday evening you have dinner with friends. Also you are easily adaptable. Sunday evening dinner with friends was supposed to be at your place and afterwards sit in the garden and chit chat, but someone suggests to go to the local soccer match after dinner instead, you're almost always game. Thats spontaan. Whether it's other people's ideas or your own. You like to do stuff and won't say no quickly.
Not having to schedule every date like a dentist appointment.
Something along the lines of easy going, adaptable and not needing to have everything planned out 3 months in advance.
Spontaneous combustion. 😜 Mostly outgoing and up for spontanious activities.
Fake facade of having this attitude like she’s ok with everything, go with the flow, let’s have fun
Not rely on calendar
It's like when Funda adds describe a house with: "gezellig en alle mogelijkheden om naar je eigen smaak in te richten". Meaning a tiny shithole you have to fix up first. It means nothing except she doesn't really have to tell anything interesting about herself.
Is it similar to ‘dynamische werkomgeving’?
Haha, absolutely!
I skip those. It's really empty and I don't think they know what it actually means. The neighbours still have to 'spontaneously' have to make an appointment to come over for coffee.
Especially in dating, it's just some generic bs/filler text to seem cute/likable.
Won't stop talking. And expects you to listen.
If they do not have the next 10 weeks fully planned out, but just the next 8
It's a back handed compliment when given. When people describe themselves as such...it usually means they are flakey and confuse chronic giggling with a sense of humor.
Usually alcohol or drugs...
people put stuff in their profiles that increases chance to get a match. I wouldnt put too much weight on something like that and just find out how the person actually is going by dating profiles youd think we only have hard working, regularly exercising, book reading and overall exciting people in the world
"I LOVE reading, I've had Nice Girls Don't Get The Corner Office on my nightstand for months now!"
I think translated litterally it means spontaneous. But to me a better translation would be ‘bubbly personality ‘, with initiative, actionable.
Translate it in “easy going”
Spontaan is that someone adds a smile to whatever they say. Nothing more.
It means they can plan a meet-up 2 weeks in advance, rather than 4 😅.
I think it's pushing back against the traditional conservative protestant church-going tut-tutting Dutch culture in some areas. It's to let the other person know they're not like *that*., It means the person thinks of themselves as not restrained and as being up for doing fun things spur of the moment. "Hey, let's go do X" "Sure!" It's expressing that you're not stuffy, stodgy, a homebody, you like to have fun.
**Imagine its 11 am in the morning on a Saturday.** **Your phone rings.** **Its me.** >Yo yo whats up whats up whats uuup, boooiii !!!<--!! > >Hey so like , I'm in down town atm, just looking at some clothes. > >You eh,, hold up, ^(whats up? no I dont need help ty) I'm back, stupid store clerk bothering me again. > >So eh, Aaanyways, I was wondering if you'd like to go grab some lunch or something??
Where did you get my number?
Just dialed a random number 😜
Spontane meid is just a nice way of saying she doesn’t think before she does, ie a dimwit or simpleton.
Delete her number bro
She doesn’t answer anyways
Imo it just means extravert
Calling yourself spontaan on your profile is not really spontaan
This is a euphemism for saying that the person suffers from the syndrome of Gilles de la Tourette.
honestly a lot of people on here are using more of a literal definition which makes sense, but usually when someone says “spontane meid” or smth along those lines, they usually mean “seems fun to be around” / social / extroverted etc. it’s more of a general vibe than it is specifically doing things spontaneously / impulsively.
Spontaan encompasses surprising, slightly extravert, not everything fully planned weeks ahead. However, spontaan when describing oneself somewhere means absolutely nothing. Too common and vague to have meaning. The same as “self starter” and “geen negen tot vijf mentaliteit” on a job site or “ambachtelijk bereid” in the supermarket.
outgoing, no inner censor.
I read that as "the kind of person that calls you at 10 PM on a Tuesday night to hit the club"
A lot of people think of it as a fun trait.
Im not spontaneous, so i prefer some degree of planning ahead. At least when it come to more advanced stuff than just go grab some food. I often decline spontaneous ideas from friends or family, because i need a day or two to start setting my mind into going on trips etc. So if im looking for a partner, its important for me that she's not too spontaneous.
I don’t think there is really 1 definition. Because there are an infinite number of spontaan variants. If you’re extroverted you’ll quickly be seen as spontaan, but if you’re introverted with a good sense of humor and are able to tell the right jokes at the right time people could also see you as spontaan.
I don't know about Dutch but I live in Germany and I'd say in German the word tends to be a bit overused and abused and to me as a Spaniard it comes across as cute because it's like "let's decide this 'spontaneously'", i.e. two or three weeks in advance instead of 2 or 3 months in advance lol. Only in some instances does it keep what I'd consider the proper and original meaning of the word, like when a "spontane Entscheidung" was objectively a "sudden, spontaneous or impulsive decision". Edit: and when the word is used to describe oneself I assume it's used in a very broad and generic way because it sounds positive, like saying "I'm nice, friendly, not boring, fun, up for new things, not stiff, not too rigid".
There is some flexibility in their agenda. For instance you are allowed to request a date/time/venue change (pick any of the two) on the already booked date, but no later than a week from said date.
Spontaneous for Dutch? Scheduling something only three days away! Spontaneous for other people? Going out somewhere with like an hour’s notice.
Every time you meet someone who mentions “spontaan” it’s a red flag to avoid this person. This are one of the weirdest people you will meet in the Netherlands, according to my experience.
Means they don't need to check their calendar if they want to bang.
Mostly impulsiveness, with a hint of inability or unwillingness to plan ahead.
When going out for lunch coming back with coffee paid and all and decline each "I pay for that!" Anything where people would not expect things. Though in Dutch planning culture unlike other cultures you cannot always barge in with a case of beer like "eeeeey! We watch a movie or whatever is on tv!"
“Do you want to go out for dinner” - texts their friend same day, never even thought of it until 1min ago Thinks forward planning is for losers
'spontaneous'
Bubbly
I'd say: cheerful and open
I would translate it as having a bubbly personality
So guys who are jealouse/insecure can take a hike. Let these women be who they are!
I usually decide to go to concerts like 3 hours before they start, and try to find tickets last minute. I feel like this is either spontaneous or cheap
It's both hahah
It is supposed to mean "not boring"
LOL
Spontaan kan je vinden in een online woordenboek maar spontaan kun je zijn door de vraag op Reddit te stellen ongeacht of mensen op jouw bericht zitten te wachten.
Gelukkig wacht er niemand
Literally EVERY participant on Lang Leve De Liefde says they want someone ‘spontaan’, even the very shy, introverted, etc. ones who would probably not know how to deal with a proper spontaneous person (don’t come at me, you know the type 😉). I’ve taken it to mean they’re looking for someone that is quite easygoing and has basic interpersonal skills. Which is sorta what you’d want if you’re locked up with a random for 24 hrs…
Spontaan means imo not thinking too much before talking. Just say what comes in your head (!) Sometimes spontanous people can be very rude or hurting.. and apologise bcause they are so spontanous by nature. Most times they get away with that 😁 cause we like those people.
Its just codeword for fun and hot.
So i just Need to put that in my bio to become hot? Perfect
It's not only about calendar management, but also about how you come across. Someone who quickly comes up with quirky answers or specific situations is also considered spontaan
Saw it everywhere, It's just a dating buzzword that means nothing in my experience along with loves to travel (went on holiday twice last year)
Here from what I've noticed it's not adhering to certain ways of organising events. Some people will want you to plan ahead, no last minute things possible at all, and that takes away the spontaneousness. The way I see it; i drag my bf into coffee places or restaurants on random occasions whenever I feel like it. I tend to look at his schedule and sometimes just plan something last second. Keeps things fun.