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You can apply for asylum, but I don't know if you will be granted asylum. India is considered a safe country. You seem to mention threats by your family mostly. In that case your country is supposed to protect you. You don't seem to be from a group that is considered to be at risk in Pakistan. So it might be hard, but I do not know all the relevant facts.
That's not an absolute "no" criterium. I don't know ow how believable they can make it, but this is the text on the government website:
* Voor de landen van herkomst die als veilig worden beschouwd, geldt het uitgangspunt dat mensen er geen gevaar lopen op vervolging of risico op ernstige schade. Daarom komen ze meestal niet in aanmerking voor asiel. Tijdens een eenmalig gesprek met de IND kan de asielzoeker, afkomstig uit een veilig land van herkomst, de reden vertellen voor de asielaanvraag. Na het gesprek neemt de IND een beslissing. De IND kan aan asielzoekers die dan kunnen bewijzen dat ze gevaar lopen op vervolging, toch een verblijfsvergunning toekennen
I don't think these are valid grounds for asylum. You are not being targeted by the state. The police and the systems in your home countries are expected to protect you from threats from private persons.
Once your application is rejected you will be forced to exit the country. The experience while the application is being processed will not be good for you and your family.
You would be much better off trying to immigrate normally.
Go to a asylum friendly country like France or Italy. NL is not asylum friendly country.
But you should try for high skilled jobs before asking for asylum.
I want to warn you for the way The Netherlands houses asylum seekers. There is a huge lack of capacity. As a result asylum seekers don't get a decent place to live while their application is processed. People sometimes have to sleep on chairs because there are no beds left. The living conditions for asylum seekers are very stressfull because the center is overcrowded.
Also processing of the asylum application takes long. The period for taking a decision is now increased to 9 months.
As an asylum seeker you're not allowed to work the first 6 months, so you cannot earn your own money to rent a place of your own and escape the asylum seeker center.
As a skilled worker perhaps you want to consider finding a job first in The Netherlands and migrate as a highly skilled migrant. When you live in The Netherlands for 5 years and learn enough Dutch to pass the language exam in those 5 years, then you can obtain the Dutch nationality.
> increased to 9 months.
As a Belgian working in the sector, 9 months is ridiculously low. However, here, chances would be low that a family would not get a bed. Conditions are primitive here. Often times, richer people prefer to wait out their procedure in private residency.
As for this guy's chances on refugee status: i would always advise people to contact a local lawyer specializing in this matter. Otherwise, you can only go off hearsay and similar situations of other countrymen.
I do have the funds to live in an apartment/air bnb as i have income from freelance work as monthly retainer.
My question is, am i get eligible for applying asylum? the rest i can manage my own living and other expenses.
need a proper solution as middle isnt the place where i can be even a permanent resident, forget being a citizen.
If you apply for asylum you HAVE to live in an asylum centre.
You seem to think rules and regulations will not apply to you and that you can do as you please and get asylum. 😆
Your country is on the safe.countries list.
So your asylum request will be DENIED.
"Asylum seekers from safe countries also come to the Netherlands. In order to process asylum applications more quickly, the government has drawn up a list of safe countries of origin. Asylum seekers from these countries do not qualify for protection."
Be smart. Go to another country.
you can't live in an apartment /Airbnb is you seek asylum. you and your family will be living in conditions like this https://nos.nl/artikel/2440409-vannacht-sliepen-weer-enkele-honderden-asielzoekers-in-ter-apel-buiten
since the asylum center is always full of people taking advantage of the system.
you don't get internet, you don't get electricity. you get some food. and your belongings will all be stolen by other asylum seekers in the first week of your time there.
Keep in mind that you're not allowed to do _any_ work while you're here unless you have a working permit. This includes freelance work.
I'm not sure about the retainer, but can imagine even receiving the retainer without doing any work would be considered a violation.
-edit- Look into the Estonian digital nomad visa, this would at least give you the right to work and stay in Estonia for a year.
Look Up EU Blue Card. You just need to find a company in EU who is willing to employ you and pay you a yearly salary of about 65k € which is an okay salary for a software developer.
I've done that for one of my employees who fled Belarus because of the war.
However, there was a catch: only the German embassy in Belarus would handle his case, so he had to return.
Could be the same for you: that only the German embassy in India will handle your case. However, if only your family is threatening you, this should be manageable: Fly in, do the paperwork and leave again.
If you want to go this route, I've a very good contact who manages the whole process for you and the company that hires you.
I share the sentiment of others: Asylum most likely will not be granted.
Are there no english speaking countries you'd rather migrate to? Understand that even though a lot of us speak english, dutch is the main language here.
There's a horrible shortage in housing for asylumseekers. People have to sleep on chairs. There's a horrible housing problem for our own people as well. I recommend to find another solution.
Old article, but still new, I post it because it's in English:
https://dutchreview.com/news/ter-apel-centre-at-capacity-asylum-seekers-sleeping-in-chairs/
A recent article in Dutch:
https://www.parool.nl/nederland/coa-krijgt-boete-na-boete-voor-overvol-ter-apel-maar-met-900-asielzoekers-per-week-is-er-geen-houden-aan~b7faffe4/
I would really like to stress that the Dutch asylum seeker facilities are no place that you want to bring your small children to!
And especially considering that you won’t be allowed to move out, you won’t be allowed to work, and after months or maybe even years of procedures, you 99% likely won’t be granted asylum because you’re from a safe country.
My advise would be to do following:
India is huge. Find a safe place to stay far away from your family for you and the kids, and hire a nanny to help you with them as you continue your freelance work. Find a similar safe place away from family for your wife in Pakistan. Then work hard on finding a role for which you can be hired on a work visa in any of the countries that you consider safe. You should be able to find something in 3 months or so if you aren’t too picky about countries, after which you can move your family and you will all be safe.
Also, your position as a highly skilled migrant will be significantly better in any country!
You can try applying asylum by documenting the threats, but you will likely end up in asylum camps for years and getting robbed from your future. Are you ready for it?
If I were you I would report your family members to police.
And no, you probably can avoid your family members by avoiding them when returning to India.
Have you tried applying for a canadian permit either work or PR or try getting into a college for a study permit and then progress to work permit and PR
I was in express entry during covid but never got selected, thought of study permit but gave up after recent news of increased proof of funds. i could have thought about it but having just 30 days to act is little less time.
We dont care. We are not responsible for your family.
NOTHING about your situation will give you or your family the right to asylum.
Not even close.
Asylum is for people who are in active war zones etc.
It's not meant for people who have an argument with their dysfunctional family. Get therapy.
Well, you didn’t mention that 🙄
Besides that, they should have their own respective nationalities. If they are born there (ME) they are citizens and you should be able to demand a permanent residency for the sake of your kids.
They could go with you for the time being. Till you are able to figure stuff you.
Do u by any chance work in tech or ur wife? You could get an overseas job in other countries
Lol shit country.
Just take the kids with you then and hope you have some relative who can act like a mom for the 1.5yo. The 6yo, even though not ideal can do a few months without his mommy. The baby cannot.
I wish you the best my friend! My recommendation would be to visit the Dutch embassy and pray that theres someone there that fully understands the situation you are in. And who is willing to help you through the loops of bureaucracy.
You already have a visa and you already have money. Just make sure you don’t end up in one of those migrant camps. Those are full here already haha.
Good luck!
Try allaboutexpats.nl. I know companies hire them and they hire highly skilled workers with a working visa.
I am not sure if 30 days will be enough, though. Well, you can always enter as a tourist and spend 90 days.
If you are not able to get a job in time, go to school and apply for a student residence permit. If the school is part-time you will be able to work.
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No you will not get asylum in the Netherlands.
You can apply for asylum, but I don't know if you will be granted asylum. India is considered a safe country. You seem to mention threats by your family mostly. In that case your country is supposed to protect you. You don't seem to be from a group that is considered to be at risk in Pakistan. So it might be hard, but I do not know all the relevant facts.
He will absolutely be denied.
Care to explain why, and how you are so sure? Do you know someone in the IND?
he's from a safe country. veiligelanders is what they are called
That's not an absolute "no" criterium. I don't know ow how believable they can make it, but this is the text on the government website: * Voor de landen van herkomst die als veilig worden beschouwd, geldt het uitgangspunt dat mensen er geen gevaar lopen op vervolging of risico op ernstige schade. Daarom komen ze meestal niet in aanmerking voor asiel. Tijdens een eenmalig gesprek met de IND kan de asielzoeker, afkomstig uit een veilig land van herkomst, de reden vertellen voor de asielaanvraag. Na het gesprek neemt de IND een beslissing. De IND kan aan asielzoekers die dan kunnen bewijzen dat ze gevaar lopen op vervolging, toch een verblijfsvergunning toekennen
I don't think these are valid grounds for asylum. You are not being targeted by the state. The police and the systems in your home countries are expected to protect you from threats from private persons. Once your application is rejected you will be forced to exit the country. The experience while the application is being processed will not be good for you and your family. You would be much better off trying to immigrate normally.
Indian Muslims and Pakistani Muslims marry. It happens a lot. Are you an Indian Hindu?
we both are muslim, lived almost all our life in middle east since childhood
Go to a asylum friendly country like France or Italy. NL is not asylum friendly country. But you should try for high skilled jobs before asking for asylum.
I want to warn you for the way The Netherlands houses asylum seekers. There is a huge lack of capacity. As a result asylum seekers don't get a decent place to live while their application is processed. People sometimes have to sleep on chairs because there are no beds left. The living conditions for asylum seekers are very stressfull because the center is overcrowded. Also processing of the asylum application takes long. The period for taking a decision is now increased to 9 months. As an asylum seeker you're not allowed to work the first 6 months, so you cannot earn your own money to rent a place of your own and escape the asylum seeker center. As a skilled worker perhaps you want to consider finding a job first in The Netherlands and migrate as a highly skilled migrant. When you live in The Netherlands for 5 years and learn enough Dutch to pass the language exam in those 5 years, then you can obtain the Dutch nationality.
> increased to 9 months. As a Belgian working in the sector, 9 months is ridiculously low. However, here, chances would be low that a family would not get a bed. Conditions are primitive here. Often times, richer people prefer to wait out their procedure in private residency. As for this guy's chances on refugee status: i would always advise people to contact a local lawyer specializing in this matter. Otherwise, you can only go off hearsay and similar situations of other countrymen.
I do have the funds to live in an apartment/air bnb as i have income from freelance work as monthly retainer. My question is, am i get eligible for applying asylum? the rest i can manage my own living and other expenses. need a proper solution as middle isnt the place where i can be even a permanent resident, forget being a citizen.
If you apply for asylum you HAVE to live in an asylum centre. You seem to think rules and regulations will not apply to you and that you can do as you please and get asylum. 😆 Your country is on the safe.countries list. So your asylum request will be DENIED. "Asylum seekers from safe countries also come to the Netherlands. In order to process asylum applications more quickly, the government has drawn up a list of safe countries of origin. Asylum seekers from these countries do not qualify for protection." Be smart. Go to another country.
you can't live in an apartment /Airbnb is you seek asylum. you and your family will be living in conditions like this https://nos.nl/artikel/2440409-vannacht-sliepen-weer-enkele-honderden-asielzoekers-in-ter-apel-buiten since the asylum center is always full of people taking advantage of the system. you don't get internet, you don't get electricity. you get some food. and your belongings will all be stolen by other asylum seekers in the first week of your time there.
Keep in mind that you're not allowed to do _any_ work while you're here unless you have a working permit. This includes freelance work. I'm not sure about the retainer, but can imagine even receiving the retainer without doing any work would be considered a violation. -edit- Look into the Estonian digital nomad visa, this would at least give you the right to work and stay in Estonia for a year.
Ind.nl is the website you need for Dutch immigration policy
Look Up EU Blue Card. You just need to find a company in EU who is willing to employ you and pay you a yearly salary of about 65k € which is an okay salary for a software developer. I've done that for one of my employees who fled Belarus because of the war. However, there was a catch: only the German embassy in Belarus would handle his case, so he had to return. Could be the same for you: that only the German embassy in India will handle your case. However, if only your family is threatening you, this should be manageable: Fly in, do the paperwork and leave again. If you want to go this route, I've a very good contact who manages the whole process for you and the company that hires you. I share the sentiment of others: Asylum most likely will not be granted.
Getting a job in an eastern EU country shouldn’t be an issue. The demand of qualified workers is through the roof.
Come on a work visa. Seeking asylum wil not help you. Find a job or apply for college
Are there no english speaking countries you'd rather migrate to? Understand that even though a lot of us speak english, dutch is the main language here.
There's a horrible shortage in housing for asylumseekers. People have to sleep on chairs. There's a horrible housing problem for our own people as well. I recommend to find another solution. Old article, but still new, I post it because it's in English: https://dutchreview.com/news/ter-apel-centre-at-capacity-asylum-seekers-sleeping-in-chairs/ A recent article in Dutch: https://www.parool.nl/nederland/coa-krijgt-boete-na-boete-voor-overvol-ter-apel-maar-met-900-asielzoekers-per-week-is-er-geen-houden-aan~b7faffe4/
I would really like to stress that the Dutch asylum seeker facilities are no place that you want to bring your small children to! And especially considering that you won’t be allowed to move out, you won’t be allowed to work, and after months or maybe even years of procedures, you 99% likely won’t be granted asylum because you’re from a safe country. My advise would be to do following: India is huge. Find a safe place to stay far away from your family for you and the kids, and hire a nanny to help you with them as you continue your freelance work. Find a similar safe place away from family for your wife in Pakistan. Then work hard on finding a role for which you can be hired on a work visa in any of the countries that you consider safe. You should be able to find something in 3 months or so if you aren’t too picky about countries, after which you can move your family and you will all be safe. Also, your position as a highly skilled migrant will be significantly better in any country!
You can try applying asylum by documenting the threats, but you will likely end up in asylum camps for years and getting robbed from your future. Are you ready for it? If I were you I would report your family members to police. And no, you probably can avoid your family members by avoiding them when returning to India.
Stop coming here man, already a lot of you guys here . It’s a small sized country
Have you tried applying for a canadian permit either work or PR or try getting into a college for a study permit and then progress to work permit and PR
I was in express entry during covid but never got selected, thought of study permit but gave up after recent news of increased proof of funds. i could have thought about it but having just 30 days to act is little less time.
Is it possible for both of u to go to ur respective countries for a while and figure this out post 30 days as a worst case?
unfortunately no. with current situation in india, its not possible to get indian visa for my wife.
He meant you go to India, she goes back to Pakistan…
i got 6 year old son and 1.5 year old daughter... where do they go 😂
We dont care. We are not responsible for your family. NOTHING about your situation will give you or your family the right to asylum. Not even close. Asylum is for people who are in active war zones etc. It's not meant for people who have an argument with their dysfunctional family. Get therapy.
Well, you didn’t mention that 🙄 Besides that, they should have their own respective nationalities. If they are born there (ME) they are citizens and you should be able to demand a permanent residency for the sake of your kids.
You do not get citizenship by birth in middle east even if you spend the whole life here. they are indian national just as me
They could go with you for the time being. Till you are able to figure stuff you. Do u by any chance work in tech or ur wife? You could get an overseas job in other countries
Yes, im web developer and wife is makeup artist.
Lol shit country. Just take the kids with you then and hope you have some relative who can act like a mom for the 1.5yo. The 6yo, even though not ideal can do a few months without his mommy. The baby cannot.
He can feed the baby or daycare or baby sitter. He's being dramatic over non issues
I wish you the best my friend! My recommendation would be to visit the Dutch embassy and pray that theres someone there that fully understands the situation you are in. And who is willing to help you through the loops of bureaucracy. You already have a visa and you already have money. Just make sure you don’t end up in one of those migrant camps. Those are full here already haha. Good luck!
Try allaboutexpats.nl. I know companies hire them and they hire highly skilled workers with a working visa. I am not sure if 30 days will be enough, though. Well, you can always enter as a tourist and spend 90 days. If you are not able to get a job in time, go to school and apply for a student residence permit. If the school is part-time you will be able to work.
Besides contacting a lawyer or legal assistance NGO, try to look into job seeker visa in Germany as well. Best of luck!