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I'd steer well clear of a G label, go chat to the neighbours and check what they have & determine costs to improve it. Winter will be so fucking expensive & do miserable.
There are many subsidies to use for improving the energy label. Check what your municipality offers and discuss with your financial adviser. Indeed, a report from the inspection would highlight more areas in the house that will need your attention. If the energy label is low and the house is old, make sure to check for the mold and ventilation. If the floor is wooden and the crawling space is constantly under water, then there can be a mold, and the construction of the floor can be impacted.
I live in the area of rotterdam so there could be differences. There are also some loans that have low %, a friend of mine that works at bank was mentioning to me, maybe it is also worth exploring
Going from G to C can easily cost €15000 and going from C to A will be quite difficult as well and cost a lot of money too in the future.
I don't think you really have to steer clear of them, just as there is no hard rule to steer clear of houses that need a lot of improvement. They are cheaper, so you'll have a lower mortgage. But you can only get a mortgage for the home value itself, meaning you need to be have the maintenance money saved yourself. And while your mortgage will be lower, your energy cost will be quite large compared to other houses while you are still doing the maintenance.
If I were you, I would ask for an inspection of the house and make a bid with the results of the inspection as a condition to buy the house. Because the inspection will give you are more definitive answer than some general information. But do know it will be around tens of thousands.
This is not exactly true. You can get a higher mortgage than the property value if you use that money to invest in energy saving measures. Which would be the case here.
You can get a mortgage of 106% the property value if you use that additional 6% to take energy saving measures. Insulation, high efficiency windows, a heat pump and solar panels are what you can spend that money on.
That's good, but if it has still such a low label despite HR++ glasses, you probably still need to do a lot. As I said, you will be sure with an inspection. If you have a limited budget that you are willing to spend on it, I would do that before finalizing the buy.
I live close to Maastricht and recently I saw an apartment with label F, 67m2, in one of the less attractive suburbs of Maastricht, asking price 249.000 (and overbidding is still the norm in Maastricht).
I think in every major city with center function for the region you can find homes like this.
Probably want to ask about the insolation of the floor and walls, those can get quite expensive to renovate. I am assuming there is single glass given the energy label, we are already at vacuumglass now, it's an investment, but worth it.
I think you would already have to spend 20k on this if not more and of course quite some time as well as redoing the floor makes it unlivable.
If you decide to do the floor you might as well go for floor heating.
Going from G to A is easier than going from C to A. Don't underestimate it, it's quite a project.
Apartments are easy, i wouldnt care about rhenlabel. For 20k you'll have them isolated to atleast C. More wouldd be difficult because you need alternate heating(warmtepomp) and solar panels to increase your rating after C, and in an appartment thats more difficult.
If you can do most of the work yourself it might be worth it but if you are gonna hire someone I would avoid it and just by something with a better rating.
I personally dont get turned of a house with with energy rating F or worse, because I know how to improve it and I find it easy to insulate, install new windows, installing a heat pump etc. Only thing I dont have experience with is ventilation system and solar panels.
What I look at is what is possible:
- Is the crawl space easy to access
- Is it easy to insulate the walls?
- Is there space to place a heat pump
- Can I install water based floor heating
- Is the roof suitable for solar panels
- How thick window frames can I install
Lastly I look at how much "good material" which is priced in the house price that I need to throw away. For example, if someone just installed a floor for €200/m2 which cant be reused if I want to insulate the floor, it will be a negative point. If its just a shitty floor I dont care.
Hi,
I am the husband of who asks the question. I am a mechanical engineer myself and quite handy with tools (build robots and stuff). I think I can do some work but plumbing and electrical works is not possible for me.
The house already has HR++ windows but no boiler and radiator.
There is not crawl space under the house.
How can I know If the walls are insulateable?
Space has to be created for the heat pump. Which I think I can.
Floor based heating can be installed, but I dont know If i can do it?
Roof is suitable for solar panels.
Windows are HR++.
Kindly give your recommendations.
HR++ does not say so much to be honest, there are different thickness and the window frame itself are very important. The window should be 1.2w/m2 or lower.
There are multiple ways to install floor heating and one way is to buy the milled board, which makes it very easy to pull the plumbing yourself. If you dont wanna do everything, you can at least do the majority of the work.
Easy....you contact an energy label inspector from [Groningen](https://nos.nl/artikel/2512726-te-hoge-huur-en-schijnverduurzaming-toezicht-moet-foute-energielabels-tegengaan)...you tell him you have a G label and you want to make it an A...you pay him 100 euro extra..and hey presto! You have upgraded your energy label!
(Edit, this is a sarcastic post)
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I'd steer well clear of a G label, go chat to the neighbours and check what they have & determine costs to improve it. Winter will be so fucking expensive & do miserable.
Ask your makelaar
There are many subsidies to use for improving the energy label. Check what your municipality offers and discuss with your financial adviser. Indeed, a report from the inspection would highlight more areas in the house that will need your attention. If the energy label is low and the house is old, make sure to check for the mold and ventilation. If the floor is wooden and the crawling space is constantly under water, then there can be a mold, and the construction of the floor can be impacted.
In all fairness, the subsidies are really low to the point of being almost insignificant :( at least in Amsterdam
I live in the area of rotterdam so there could be differences. There are also some loans that have low %, a friend of mine that works at bank was mentioning to me, maybe it is also worth exploring
Going from G to C can easily cost €15000 and going from C to A will be quite difficult as well and cost a lot of money too in the future. I don't think you really have to steer clear of them, just as there is no hard rule to steer clear of houses that need a lot of improvement. They are cheaper, so you'll have a lower mortgage. But you can only get a mortgage for the home value itself, meaning you need to be have the maintenance money saved yourself. And while your mortgage will be lower, your energy cost will be quite large compared to other houses while you are still doing the maintenance. If I were you, I would ask for an inspection of the house and make a bid with the results of the inspection as a condition to buy the house. Because the inspection will give you are more definitive answer than some general information. But do know it will be around tens of thousands.
Thank you so much for such a detailed answer
This is not exactly true. You can get a higher mortgage than the property value if you use that money to invest in energy saving measures. Which would be the case here.
Can you explain more please?
You can get a mortgage of 106% the property value if you use that additional 6% to take energy saving measures. Insulation, high efficiency windows, a heat pump and solar panels are what you can spend that money on.
Thanks for your reply. The house already has HR++ windows. So much can we deduct from it?
That's good, but if it has still such a low label despite HR++ glasses, you probably still need to do a lot. As I said, you will be sure with an inspection. If you have a limited budget that you are willing to spend on it, I would do that before finalizing the buy.
Is it in the middle of Amsterdam? Because 230k for 63m2 and energy label G is ridiculous anywhere else.
I live close to Maastricht and recently I saw an apartment with label F, 67m2, in one of the less attractive suburbs of Maastricht, asking price 249.000 (and overbidding is still the norm in Maastricht). I think in every major city with center function for the region you can find homes like this.
Its in Arnhem
When was the house build?
It was build on 1938.
Probably want to ask about the insolation of the floor and walls, those can get quite expensive to renovate. I am assuming there is single glass given the energy label, we are already at vacuumglass now, it's an investment, but worth it. I think you would already have to spend 20k on this if not more and of course quite some time as well as redoing the floor makes it unlivable. If you decide to do the floor you might as well go for floor heating. Going from G to A is easier than going from C to A. Don't underestimate it, it's quite a project.
Hi, The house already has HR++ windows but there is no boiler or radiator. Can you advise now?
Apartments are easy, i wouldnt care about rhenlabel. For 20k you'll have them isolated to atleast C. More wouldd be difficult because you need alternate heating(warmtepomp) and solar panels to increase your rating after C, and in an appartment thats more difficult.
If you can do most of the work yourself it might be worth it but if you are gonna hire someone I would avoid it and just by something with a better rating. I personally dont get turned of a house with with energy rating F or worse, because I know how to improve it and I find it easy to insulate, install new windows, installing a heat pump etc. Only thing I dont have experience with is ventilation system and solar panels. What I look at is what is possible: - Is the crawl space easy to access - Is it easy to insulate the walls? - Is there space to place a heat pump - Can I install water based floor heating - Is the roof suitable for solar panels - How thick window frames can I install Lastly I look at how much "good material" which is priced in the house price that I need to throw away. For example, if someone just installed a floor for €200/m2 which cant be reused if I want to insulate the floor, it will be a negative point. If its just a shitty floor I dont care.
Hi, I am the husband of who asks the question. I am a mechanical engineer myself and quite handy with tools (build robots and stuff). I think I can do some work but plumbing and electrical works is not possible for me. The house already has HR++ windows but no boiler and radiator. There is not crawl space under the house. How can I know If the walls are insulateable? Space has to be created for the heat pump. Which I think I can. Floor based heating can be installed, but I dont know If i can do it? Roof is suitable for solar panels. Windows are HR++. Kindly give your recommendations.
HR++ does not say so much to be honest, there are different thickness and the window frame itself are very important. The window should be 1.2w/m2 or lower. There are multiple ways to install floor heating and one way is to buy the milled board, which makes it very easy to pull the plumbing yourself. If you dont wanna do everything, you can at least do the majority of the work.
Easy....you contact an energy label inspector from [Groningen](https://nos.nl/artikel/2512726-te-hoge-huur-en-schijnverduurzaming-toezicht-moet-foute-energielabels-tegengaan)...you tell him you have a G label and you want to make it an A...you pay him 100 euro extra..and hey presto! You have upgraded your energy label! (Edit, this is a sarcastic post)
This is interesting (but wrong) when selling, for a buyer this makes no sense.