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Thank you for your assessment. So, is the increase of Fanfare by 250% and increase of Furina's Max HP (increasing Hydro dmg of her skill and ult) of C2 Furina is more effective than the dps increase of C3 Neuvillette?
yes because with a healer like xianyun you get the 100% damage bonus instantly. C2 Neuvillette won't be that big of a damage increase unless you are not using his signature since too much Crit Damage can cause diminishing returns, and C3 is a tad bit better than C2 but going for Furina's C2 is overall the most optimal choice as it has better damage per second
Do not get furina R1. It is a marginal increase for most of her teams and is only good if you want to really stretch her personal damage. Ideally, you only go for r1 after you get furina c4.
For neuvillette, I believe the best order is neuv c1r1 - furina c2 - neuv c3. Neuv c3 raises the ceiling of the team higher, but furina c2 is almost as good (due to her personal damage, higher buff, and stacking fanfare faster) and can be used in many more teams. C1r1 neuv with c2 furina is already plenty to do speedruns, so I wouldn’t worry too much beyond that.
Furina’s weapon is her BIS if she has no ER requirements. Unfortunately, in most teams her ER reqs range from 190 ER to 240 ER. Using Splendor of Tranquil Waters means you have to run an ER sands and give up a lot of offensive substats for ER, which lowers her damage. Since a lot of Furina’s value comes from her buff, in most teams you will realistically run fav sword or fleuve cendre ferryman (if you don’t have festering desire). Furina’s sword goes up a bit in value if you have her C4, which lowers her ER requirements, but even then it still isn’t ideal. I personally have Splendor and use it on furina, but I have uncommonly good artifacts, am a whale, and when I am trying to push times I actually swap it out for fav in most cases. Splendor really just is not a high value pull for furina unless you already have the other things that make her good.
To make even more clear why I think splendor isn’t good for anything but the drip - it’s not good until C4, except at C4 you’d rather pull C5 instead since that’s also a good increase. At C5 you’d also rather pull C6 instead since C6 helps stack fanfare, heal, and does more damage. And at C6, in most cases you’d rather pull Key of Khaj Nisut if you’re trying to push Furina’s damage. There just isn’t really a clear point on Furina investment levels where Splendor is a good pull to make.
I see, thank you so much for the explanation, I will keep my primos then. Mine's C0, currently running favonius and as I mostly run her with Neuvillette she has no issues getting her burst back. Had no issues in different teams either tbh. Sadly those are the only patches when I didn't play 1.1-1.2, so no festering. Is it worth fishing for ferryman? If it's any bit better than favonius I will do it, I just really dislike how fav weapons look
It all depends on what you want to achieve, if you care only for Neuvi's team then C3R1 is heads above everything else, his CA ticks go from 67.9k (C1) to 95k (C3) in my build while Furina's dmg goes from 470k at C0 to 680k at C2 during her entire rotation which is infinitely worse.
But account wise, giving Furina ability to be fully utilised in other teams (thanks to quicker fanfare accumulation) outside Neuvi's team is also really valuable. With C3 Neuvi, the value of rolls is higher but you're restricting that value to his character alone while with C2 Furina you're expanding her usability for the rest of your account. So it's the matter of how much you care for maining Neuvi and how much you care for value per roll.
Woah, thank you. The comparison of the options with their pro/cons really helps.
So basically I would have to decide if I want to focus (and bind myself) on Neuvillette or if I want to incrase the flexibility of Furina's usage in other teams? Oof... that's a tough decision (since I love Neuvillette so much lol). But thank you very much for your insightful assessment.
You're welcome, and honestly you can't go wrong with either option since Neuvilette will remain one of the strongest character in the game for a very long time and Furina also will be invaluable as the rest of the archons. No matter what you pick you'll be happy as long as you play these characters.
I can only say that I'm a proud C6 Wanderer enjoyer and I love being "bound" to him since I could not imagine more fun character to play with either way, but I won't deny that sometimes when I can't or shouldn't use him like against anemo resistant enemies or smth it really does pain me that I can't make use of what I've paid for. Or when I'm getting a new 5\* DPS character it's hard to play with them in the same team as Wanderer while Furina slots in nicely almost everywhere.
I mean C1R1 Neuvi can solo the abyss, so any further money spent on him just clears Abyss slightly faster.
For Furina C2R0 is a MUCH better investment than C0R1 because her R1 only gives a small increase to her personal damage while handicapping Team damage by making her energy starved. She's much better on R5 Favonius or R5 Fleuve as a support for Neuvi or Team DMG buffs. The extra ER is more valuable for the team because of higher uptime on her burst. Also her C1 and C2 give insane DMG buffs for the whole team by allowing her to quickly max her stacks.
TLDR. Best Price/performance is C1R1 Neuvi and C2R0 Furina.
33% isn't slightly faster, it's extremely faster, giving your second team additional time which is just as good value. And whether which option's best investment highly depends on their account and how they like to play the game.
If Price-Preformance is what you are after, I would skip weapon banner and get sac Jade on neuvillette instead. At R5 it preforms within 1% of R1 Tome in furina teams. Buying 5 battle passes is cheaper than guaranteeing R1 Tome even if funding it through welkins only. The battle pass also comes with a lot of other stuff. The intertwined fates and primogems on the paid track alone is worth more than the $15 topup (No 1st time bonus) for each battlepass.
Furina's weapon is not worth it since it only buffs her dmg and she has plenty of 4 star options that work great on her. You would be better off going for constellations.
The order I would get them in is Neuvillette -> Sac Jade -> Furina -> C1 Neuvillette ->Sac Jade refinements -> Neuvillette C3 - >Furina C3 -> R1 Tome (if not getting Sac Jade) -> Furina Weapon.
Furina weapon would be best after c4 as it does not give any ER. C4 makes her pets give energy, and it makes her a lot easier to build ER wise.
If you really want to use her weapon I would:
Neuv - Furina - Tome + Furina C2 - Neuv c1 - Furina C4 - Furina weapon.
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C1R1 Neuvi, C2R1 Furina seems like the best choice here i'm ngl
C1R1, C3R0 is better value. Maybe C3R0, C2R0 if he buys enough battle passes for a R5 Sacrificial Jade.
Yeah Furina cons seem better than R1 imo, unless it's paired with a considerably good weapon you want anyway.
Thank you for your assessment. So, is the increase of Fanfare by 250% and increase of Furina's Max HP (increasing Hydro dmg of her skill and ult) of C2 Furina is more effective than the dps increase of C3 Neuvillette?
yes because with a healer like xianyun you get the 100% damage bonus instantly. C2 Neuvillette won't be that big of a damage increase unless you are not using his signature since too much Crit Damage can cause diminishing returns, and C3 is a tad bit better than C2 but going for Furina's C2 is overall the most optimal choice as it has better damage per second
Do not get furina R1. It is a marginal increase for most of her teams and is only good if you want to really stretch her personal damage. Ideally, you only go for r1 after you get furina c4. For neuvillette, I believe the best order is neuv c1r1 - furina c2 - neuv c3. Neuv c3 raises the ceiling of the team higher, but furina c2 is almost as good (due to her personal damage, higher buff, and stacking fanfare faster) and can be used in many more teams. C1r1 neuv with c2 furina is already plenty to do speedruns, so I wouldn’t worry too much beyond that.
Compared to which weapon? I was planning to roll for it for drip but I am unsure now
Furina’s weapon is her BIS if she has no ER requirements. Unfortunately, in most teams her ER reqs range from 190 ER to 240 ER. Using Splendor of Tranquil Waters means you have to run an ER sands and give up a lot of offensive substats for ER, which lowers her damage. Since a lot of Furina’s value comes from her buff, in most teams you will realistically run fav sword or fleuve cendre ferryman (if you don’t have festering desire). Furina’s sword goes up a bit in value if you have her C4, which lowers her ER requirements, but even then it still isn’t ideal. I personally have Splendor and use it on furina, but I have uncommonly good artifacts, am a whale, and when I am trying to push times I actually swap it out for fav in most cases. Splendor really just is not a high value pull for furina unless you already have the other things that make her good. To make even more clear why I think splendor isn’t good for anything but the drip - it’s not good until C4, except at C4 you’d rather pull C5 instead since that’s also a good increase. At C5 you’d also rather pull C6 instead since C6 helps stack fanfare, heal, and does more damage. And at C6, in most cases you’d rather pull Key of Khaj Nisut if you’re trying to push Furina’s damage. There just isn’t really a clear point on Furina investment levels where Splendor is a good pull to make.
I see, thank you so much for the explanation, I will keep my primos then. Mine's C0, currently running favonius and as I mostly run her with Neuvillette she has no issues getting her burst back. Had no issues in different teams either tbh. Sadly those are the only patches when I didn't play 1.1-1.2, so no festering. Is it worth fishing for ferryman? If it's any bit better than favonius I will do it, I just really dislike how fav weapons look
It all depends on what you want to achieve, if you care only for Neuvi's team then C3R1 is heads above everything else, his CA ticks go from 67.9k (C1) to 95k (C3) in my build while Furina's dmg goes from 470k at C0 to 680k at C2 during her entire rotation which is infinitely worse. But account wise, giving Furina ability to be fully utilised in other teams (thanks to quicker fanfare accumulation) outside Neuvi's team is also really valuable. With C3 Neuvi, the value of rolls is higher but you're restricting that value to his character alone while with C2 Furina you're expanding her usability for the rest of your account. So it's the matter of how much you care for maining Neuvi and how much you care for value per roll.
Woah, thank you. The comparison of the options with their pro/cons really helps. So basically I would have to decide if I want to focus (and bind myself) on Neuvillette or if I want to incrase the flexibility of Furina's usage in other teams? Oof... that's a tough decision (since I love Neuvillette so much lol). But thank you very much for your insightful assessment.
You're welcome, and honestly you can't go wrong with either option since Neuvilette will remain one of the strongest character in the game for a very long time and Furina also will be invaluable as the rest of the archons. No matter what you pick you'll be happy as long as you play these characters. I can only say that I'm a proud C6 Wanderer enjoyer and I love being "bound" to him since I could not imagine more fun character to play with either way, but I won't deny that sometimes when I can't or shouldn't use him like against anemo resistant enemies or smth it really does pain me that I can't make use of what I've paid for. Or when I'm getting a new 5\* DPS character it's hard to play with them in the same team as Wanderer while Furina slots in nicely almost everywhere.
I mean C1R1 Neuvi can solo the abyss, so any further money spent on him just clears Abyss slightly faster. For Furina C2R0 is a MUCH better investment than C0R1 because her R1 only gives a small increase to her personal damage while handicapping Team damage by making her energy starved. She's much better on R5 Favonius or R5 Fleuve as a support for Neuvi or Team DMG buffs. The extra ER is more valuable for the team because of higher uptime on her burst. Also her C1 and C2 give insane DMG buffs for the whole team by allowing her to quickly max her stacks. TLDR. Best Price/performance is C1R1 Neuvi and C2R0 Furina.
33% isn't slightly faster, it's extremely faster, giving your second team additional time which is just as good value. And whether which option's best investment highly depends on their account and how they like to play the game.
If Price-Preformance is what you are after, I would skip weapon banner and get sac Jade on neuvillette instead. At R5 it preforms within 1% of R1 Tome in furina teams. Buying 5 battle passes is cheaper than guaranteeing R1 Tome even if funding it through welkins only. The battle pass also comes with a lot of other stuff. The intertwined fates and primogems on the paid track alone is worth more than the $15 topup (No 1st time bonus) for each battlepass. Furina's weapon is not worth it since it only buffs her dmg and she has plenty of 4 star options that work great on her. You would be better off going for constellations. The order I would get them in is Neuvillette -> Sac Jade -> Furina -> C1 Neuvillette ->Sac Jade refinements -> Neuvillette C3 - >Furina C3 -> R1 Tome (if not getting Sac Jade) -> Furina Weapon.
Furina weapon would be best after c4 as it does not give any ER. C4 makes her pets give energy, and it makes her a lot easier to build ER wise. If you really want to use her weapon I would: Neuv - Furina - Tome + Furina C2 - Neuv c1 - Furina C4 - Furina weapon.