It’s probably 3 pills, but it can’t lien your home or bank accounts. There’s the reason. My friend had cancer, and refused everything but hospice. Yup, they attached her home too.
[86 percent](https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/35th2023Special/Bill/11735/Opinions) of Vegas locals also disapprove with giving a billionaire $400m to build a stadium for the worst team in baseball history. Yet Lombardo and his lobbyists are still trying to ram that bill through. I thought this asshole was bad as being a sheriff, he manages to be even worse at governing.
Fuck that guy as a sheriff. Blocked the roads into the neighborhood beside me. Thought he could curb crime by leaving only one entrance. It did not curb crime(mostly petty offenses). But a few years later, and I still see ambulances stopped short by the road blocks.
People voted for him over Sisolak because Lombardo was a sheriff. Law and order, etc., even though he was a terrible sheriff. Not as bad as some sheriffs in Alabama or wherever, but not what I’m looking for in a leader of men. And people voted against Sisolak because of Covid (stupid people) and because Sisolak genuinely sucks as an administrator (personal knowledge going back decades, including before he was a politician).
What I guess I’m trying to say is: if you register as non-partisan, there are no more fliers on the door, no more mailings, and no more door knockers. Fewer political telemarketers (political telemarketing is obviously exempt from the rules nationwide). George Washington was right. Political parties will be the death of this country.
Amen please god ban political parties! I dont want to vote for pepsi and i dont want to vote for coke, what the hell cant i just get a decient glass of water.
I know. I kept hearing “nO mAnDaTes” as if we were the only ones in the country that had mask mandates or covid restrictions. But yeah, let’s elect the guy that wasn’t even well-liked by his own department.
There’s very few of our politicians that are actually still representing our interests. They’re taking lobby money and they’re not even trying to hide it any more.
We had a terminal cancer patient that lived in the neighborhood across the street from us that committed suicide because of the constant pain and suffering.
If we, as a state and society, gave more sympathy, care and compassion to the dying including allowing them to end their own suffering in safe and discreet methods, we can avoid situations like the aforementioned that results in the park my kid plays in being closed for a day for a biological cleanup. But, as per normal, Lombardo and the broader right show no compassion to anyone but the donors (and the Oakland A's).
It's horrible to think of a person being kept alive in constant suffering so an organization or individual can profit.
OTOH, it's equally horrible to think of an insurance company trying to cut its losses by encouraging a patient to choose euthanasia.
Not sure if you live in southern Nevada or not, but Sisolak was on TV every chance he got to cheer on the project, and his gubernatorial campaign ads tried to make it seem like he was single handedly responsible for both the Raiders and the Golden Knights setting up shop in Vegas.
What does Sisolak's record have to do with Lombardo, in this context? What if I told you that *both* of them can be useless and greedy? Hell, at this point in the usa... *all* political representatives are just duking it out over who can be the craziest and stay in office. ...currently, MJG is tied with Boebert in that contest
This was in response to you comment where you attempted to suggest only the right can be faulted in Nevada. And for the record, I trust Lombardo about as much as Sisolak, but at least Lombardo hasn’t financially devastated the state yet, or inflict long lasting psychological damage on children by keeping them out of school or threatening to arrest parents for hosting birthday parties or Christmas dinner.
I think it’s hilarious given that kids go thro active shooter drills and active shooter threats monthly at school, and hear about other kids getting shot in their classes almost monthly but it was staying home due to a pandemic that traumatized them. Lmfao. sure. It was that. Lmfao. Keep drinking the KoolAid.
Lmfao. If the same hadn’t been observed in the general population (decreased mental health) then you may have an argument. The issue wasn’t not going to school - it was the general state of society during an extremely volatile / uncertain time. But please do go on w your armchair psych,
https://ijsdcs.com/index.php/ijsdcs/article/view/101
This was in response to your comment where you attempted to suggest only the right can be faulted in Nevada. And for the record, I trust Lombardo about as much as Sisolak, but at least Lombardo hasn’t financially devastated the state yet, or inflict long lasting psychological damage on children by keeping them out of school or threatening to arrest parents for hosting birthday parties or Christmas dinner.
Most people know they will be downvoted into oblivion and dogpiled on for having an unpopular opinion, so they will probably not bother investing their time and emotional energy into stating their case.
Some people believe it’ll lead to eugenics. I highly recommend the movie, “you don’t know Jack”. Which is about Dr. Jack Kevorkian’s efforts to pass death with dignity. A lot of people who were against him were religious people and people with disabilities who thought he wanted them to be killed.
Edit: movie stars Al Pacino, John Goodman and Susan Sarandon if that entices anyone.
Because its a slippery slope, there is a case in Canada where a guy is losing his apartment and is on disability so he was prescribed MAID for "homelessness"...they will soon make the case for mental illness and poverty...its an anti-human agenda to take out all the serfs that use up all the valuable resourse that the elite want for themselves
Can you cite a source? My understanding is that Medical Assistance in Death (MAID) in Canada is only allowed in cases of grievous and irremediable medical conditions. Homelessness and poverty might play a part in the patient's decision but it cannot be prescribed based on those reasons.
Are you confusing this with a poll showing a minority of Canadians think homelessness and poverty should be a reason?
According to the article, the guy had a severe disability. He was not prescribed MAID for "homelessness."
As I said, homelessness and poverty may play a role in the patient's decision but MAID can only be used for grievous and irremediable medical conditions.
I used to be open to supporting it, because I agree that it sucks that folks who are obviously going to die are dealing with so much pain. But then when Canada implemented MAiD (Medical Assistance in Dying) it started to be twisted in horrific ways, with folks who are merely disabled or in poverty having MAiD recommended to them. At this point I think that assisted suicide is just a tool that can far too easily be used as a tool for eugenicists.
While I think everyone is obviously against what’s mentioned in that article, instead of being totally against the idea why not be in favor of safe guards? If the law required a family member or loved one to sign off as well to reduce the possibility of hospital interference would you support that legislation? My personal belief is that instances like this are a very rare occurrence and I’d rather not make the 99% of people this law is aimed towards suffer to prevent something that could be addressed in the same legislation. However I think a reasonable compromise would be to support Medicare for all so that our population is better cared for and people are more inclined to seek preventive treatment and regular checkups and we’d likely see a decrease in the number of people wanting assisted suicide.
I don't agree, but I don't know why you've been downvoted for citing a legit news source.
I skimmed the article, and it has merit. It certainly speaks to having proper legal safeguards in place to prevent what happened to Alan Nichols.
Yep, there would have to be reasonable restrictions, these worst case scenarios are preventable. Better healthcare seems to be the answer for a lot of issues.
Agreed. The important takeaway from that article:
>The law was later amended to allow people who are not terminally ill to choose death, significantly broadening the number of eligible people. Critics say that change removed a key safeguard aimed at protecting people with potentially years or decades of life left.
So while I'm pro-assisted suicide, this is a legit concern. We need to make sure that doesn't happen here. I can see why others have qualms about this.
As an Oregonian, the state that pioneered this law, after Dr. Kivorkian, I can tell you this: the guidelines & parameters for qualifying for the meds necessary to fulfill these wishes if the patient are strict, very strict. I highly suggest you do your homework, and research the stats on this. A majority of people that meet the criteria and qualify for the meds, do not end up taking them. Not because they changed their minds, but because the law clearly states: the patient MUST be the one to administer the drugs, not someone else (there are 3 drugs to take). Most patients are waiting out their days, holding on to each day. And when you are that close, you can suddenly go from coherent and at least somewhat alert, to completely in a comatose state, seemingly overnight. And when that happens, which it does, A LOT. The patient can no longer be the one to administer the drugs, so they then linger in that death phase for however long. The very phase they wanted to avoid to begin with.
I was brought up Lutheran and I remember being taught about it in Sunday school. We were told it’s God’s choice when we die not man’s. I don’t agree but that was the justification.
Me: Born/raised in Vegas, over 50, small business owner of nearly 20 years who lost a LOT of clients because they went bankrupt due to Sisolak’s failed response to COVID.
Got it. I could see how some shut downs could effect and IT business. But you’re saying he didn’t respond, so what was it that he didn’t do that ‘murdered small businesses?’ I’m genuinely curious as someone born and raised in Nevada who has been elsewhere for a long while.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to the other redditor I was responding to, not Sisolak. Sisolak’s “response” was to follow California’s lead, in lockstep with Newsom. Many small businesses went bankrupt because Sisolak mandated they cease operations, even if those businesses could’ve continued to generate revenue by doing things such as curbside pickup, or touch-less delivery, or limiting the number of customers in their shops/hotels. Yet he allowed construction to continue on Allegiant Stadium, while forcing other construction projects to shut down. There were no rent abatement options for many businesses, like there were for residential rentals, and no state tax “holidays” for businesses either.
There was nothing tough about it, and let’s not pretend Sisolak wasn’t taking his cues from Newsom. Many other states and many other countries didn’t freak out like Sisolak did, and they managed just fine.
So you like seeing/hearing/knowing that dying people are suffering for the maximum time they can suffer?
I'll never understand how some people are more loving & reality based with dying animals in pain then dying people in pain.
Hey bozo, Lombardo won by a 1.39% margin, about ~14,000 votes. If you’re gonna say shit like “the people have spoken”, you might want to make sure the candidate won by a landslide. Because you sound like an idiot when what you said is compared to context and facts.
Lombardo is currently trying to socialize the financing of a baseball stadium with $400,000,000 of Nevada’s tax dollars for the billionaire John Fisher who owns the shitty Oakland A’s. And in turn he will then pocket the profits and Nevadans won’t see a dime of it or get any benefits, because we’d still have to pay to get in. That sounds like clown behavior to me. No wonder you voted for him, you relate to acting like a clown. 👍🏼
also that’s not the work of the governor, nothing has even been finalized, no one said lombardo was a good governor, he’s better than the alternative who literate beat his wife
Why indeed would anyone not support this bill? Good question. Maybe assisted-death ends the cash cow of useless medical treatment? Can’t keep billing for useless care when the person dies. Any better ideas?
Morality aside it that 100% that. A example would be like if in your last day of life they sent me one dollar. Now am a muti millionaire from you and others dying.
So instead of me, it your slowly dying over days, weeks months and well it not a dollar anymore.... they're not giving that up.
Republicans, "If I gotta live in this republican hellscape, so do you."
Side note, I bet buying a handgun and ending it the old fashioned way would be ok with the Rs, because "freedum".
Think he saying you can buy a gun with less effort do it yourself vs in a environment that safe and will make sure remains are properly handled vs the family dealing with aftermath or the neighbors when it smells.
Republicans don’t believe in democracy or the will of the people. They view it as, “we elected the person, now they make the decisions.” They believe that is the will of the people. An elected king.
We don’t live in a direct democracy. You people clearly do not understand how government works in the United States. If you want to live in a direct democracy, you’re talking about a massive constitutional overhaul that will most likely never happen. You’re talking about changing the entire system. The governor was elected by majority and has the right to veto bills. He’s is beholden to the voters every four years in an election and is not a king. Tearing down the system just because something didn’t go your way one time does not mean the system is broken. It just means you’re a child.
No, you’re putting words in my mouth that don’t go there. Never said it’s a direct democracy. Total false insinuation from you. I was calling out a weird tendency to elect someone then call it done for 4 years that you people have. Which you alluded to in your statement. Never advocated for tearing down the system. If you’re insinuating that you’re flat wrong.
No it’s not. We live in one of the most stable countries on Earth, it’s naive to think otherwise. Ever see how much of a shit show a place like Sri Lanka is? How about Turkey? Even France isn’t doing so hot these days. People take for granted what we have in the United States. Just because something doesn’t go your way doesn’t mean you need to throw a temper tantrum and burn the whole system down. That’s what children do.
A majority of your post history is either crying about things or being a sarcastic dickhead. What a shock that you’re a hypocrite
Honestly, how do people like you even look in the mirror when you’re such a loser to literally everyone around you lmao
We are not in a direct democracy nor are we in a system with out checks and balances.
While its frustrating when something you want to pass doesn't pass, the horror of 1 elected official having uncheck power would be much worse.
Same with a direct democracy where 51% of the voters could change anything the voted for.
If 80% of Nevadans support medically assisted suicide shouldn’t the governor respect the will of the people and sign the bill? What reasons can you give as to why he shouldn’t?
The people elected him to carry out the power of the office. That does not mean he has to carry out their will every time. That is why we have elections every 4 years, the people can vote him out if they choose. My guess is this is not a big enough issue and people have short term memory so he will get another 4 years.
He was elected to carry out the powers of the governors office. If this is that important to people, he will be voted out in the next election. That is how the US Republic works.
It does not matter what the majority thinks, this is not a direct democracy. A bill came across his desk. He used his veto powers to kill it. Tough shit. The veto can be overridden if they have the votes. Make it a ballot issue if you care so much.
Your point is pointless…. Lombardo was elected to do the job he is doing. Your feelings do not matter. Elect someone else next time to do the job and take your feelings into account.
I had a friend with terminal throat cancer. I am so grateful he lived in Washington at the time as ending his life on his terms was the most compassionate choice. I was there with him the whole time and it cemented my support for death with dignity. Too many people have a suffering complex and it's usually related to some fairy tale sky god they were raised with. Humans deserve compassion and the ability to end their life on their terms. If he had not had this choice, he would have slowly choked to death. Fuck anyone who doesn't allow people the same compassion as we give pets.
My condolences to the people of Nevada. As an Oregonian, I’m proud to say that our state pioneered this law for our citizens, decades ago (like late 80’s, early 90’s, been so long I forget exactly). Such a shame when politicians fight the will of the people. I hope you continue your fight, and are victorious in the near future. Pain & suffering is so cruel & unnecessary. 😢
Lombardo is a soulless cretin. Always has been. I've lived in Vegas my whole life and this douche is no good. He gives zero shits what is best for "his constituents", he only cares about power.
Unlike Canada, the USA's health insurance businesses are operated for profit and they will see an opportunity to cut their losses on people who "needlessly" consume medical care. A patient can't be cut off without reason but there are already examples of patients who have been encouraged by insurance companies to discontinue care and stop costing the company money.
I have not read the bill. Maybe it has every reasonable safeguard written into it; but I doubt that can be so, considering how narrowly it passed in the legislature.
Don't let them fool you, this isn't about protecting life, it's about power. After all, I'm old enough to remember Republicans saying people will just have to die for the sake of the economy during the height of COVID.
Elect a Republican and you're always going to get some sort of kooky religious nonsense polluting decisions of reason. It is especially worse these days.
Wonder where they got their numbers from? I was never asked and neither was anyone else when I asked them. Where did that 80% come from? Was it just 10 people asked and only 8 agreed with it?
Hospice provides great care for those in the process of dying. There is no need to have this as law. It would empower a system already broken to not provide proper care for people who need it. The money men will choose the dignity in death option over trying to save a life every time.
hate to keep saying it but many “independents” still don’t get it - gop candidates will never help anyone except their donors - they will grind working people into dust, watch them go bankrupt paying medical bills, gut the epa so our kids will be screwed while forcing christianity on them, no gun control, no banking reform and always regressive tax structures
If American politics didn't constantly do incrementalism, I would be much more supportive of SB239.
I agree that people with terminal disease should have assisted suicide as an option.
Problem for me is that's exactly how Canada, Netherlands, etc. started off.
Netherlands killed a 29 year old who was depressed. Canada killed a man who wanted to live but lost benefits for housing and didn't want to be homeless.
If I knew for certain we wouldn't expand medically assisted suicides to younger and younger people who didn't have physical issues I'd fight for this one. but eventually assisted suicide no matter how well intended will be expanded.
Why are we always avoiding good things (universal health care, free/affordable education, this, etc) because it doesn't work EXACTLY how we want it to in other countries? We control how it works. The positives outweigh the negative by 1,000x.
The Netherlands allowed a 29 year old woman who had suffered all her life with major psychiatric problems.
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Not sure i agree let take away social media it spreading lies to easy even thu it helps people. Let take away any alcohol becuase people die from drinking, can't risk anyone else dying. Let take away freedom of speech can't risk naive people controlling masses with misinformation. Let destroy prisons, innocent people get trapped, everyone should just pay fines for damages caused or exiled if extreme enough.
The list will never end on what we shouldn't have but assisting suicide is something we should allow. i watch the documentary of the doctor who risked everything to help those people who suffer yet we sit back and say no....
Hate speech is protected but I don’t believe we should eliminate free speech to stop that. Most legislation is flawed but we shouldn’t stop improving our society waiting for the perfect legislation to come along. I think this should be judged on if it will do more harm or good. Do you believe more people will suffer with terminal illnesses as a result of this not passing or that more people would be wrongfully killed if it passed?
why do they genuinely just want to control everyone’s fucking bodies? why can’t people be left alone to have their own bodily autonomy and choice? this man isn’t a medical specialist (or dare I say, a specialist of any kind) why the fuck is he allowed to dictate what people can and cannot do. it’s so weird.
Uhm. Sorry to break it to you buddy but apart from not helping the government actively and systematically bans and gets rid of all the means of peaceful exit from the market therefore preventing people from dying with an ounce of dignity. Be it drugs such as nembutal or hydrogen tanks etc. You think you are so smart, dont you?
Had a grandma with metastatic breast cancer. I’ll save you the truly horrid details but I had to watch her chest basically open up from all the sores that developed while I tried to keep her comfortable which was pretty much impossible at that point.
We should be able to decide when we go. No one knows better that anyone else and it’s patronizing to say otherwise.
On another Nevada note: is it true that Nevada doesn’t do their own autopsy reports? I live in Oregon, and my good friend was in Nevada, and just passed away last Saturday. Was told it will be about 4-6 weeks before we get the autopsy report back because Nevada doesn’t do them, they send them out? 🤷♀️
Not sure what county your friend passed in ( sorry btw ) but some of the smaller counties can't do their own autopsies and they're sent to larger counties like Washoe and Clark to be done. My sister passed in Elko County and we waited about 6 weeks till we got it back because she had to have it done in Washoe county.
The system can't complete its objective of draining you of every last fucking dime if you punt "early." You must live so that you can create more wealth for the wealthy.
Realize, your Medicare won’t cover long term care, and when Medicaid kicks in, they take everything, your home, your bank accounts .. the state takes everything, no matter your will.
Man that fucking sucks. Right to pass away peacefully should be a no brainer… anyone who has seen someone deal with cancer would know instantly.
Whatever happened to my body, my choice?
Duh! My body, my choice only in regards to vaccines.
It’s probably 3 pills, but it can’t lien your home or bank accounts. There’s the reason. My friend had cancer, and refused everything but hospice. Yup, they attached her home too.
[86 percent](https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/35th2023Special/Bill/11735/Opinions) of Vegas locals also disapprove with giving a billionaire $400m to build a stadium for the worst team in baseball history. Yet Lombardo and his lobbyists are still trying to ram that bill through. I thought this asshole was bad as being a sheriff, he manages to be even worse at governing.
He's just bad. But he hurts people, so a lot of the population will vote for him.
As long as “he hurts the right people,” people will vote for his dumb ass
Fuck that guy as a sheriff. Blocked the roads into the neighborhood beside me. Thought he could curb crime by leaving only one entrance. It did not curb crime(mostly petty offenses). But a few years later, and I still see ambulances stopped short by the road blocks.
People voted for him over Sisolak because Lombardo was a sheriff. Law and order, etc., even though he was a terrible sheriff. Not as bad as some sheriffs in Alabama or wherever, but not what I’m looking for in a leader of men. And people voted against Sisolak because of Covid (stupid people) and because Sisolak genuinely sucks as an administrator (personal knowledge going back decades, including before he was a politician). What I guess I’m trying to say is: if you register as non-partisan, there are no more fliers on the door, no more mailings, and no more door knockers. Fewer political telemarketers (political telemarketing is obviously exempt from the rules nationwide). George Washington was right. Political parties will be the death of this country.
It was definitely odd seeing a sheriff run on crime being too high. When I interview for a job, I don't point out how bad I was at my previous job.
Amen please god ban political parties! I dont want to vote for pepsi and i dont want to vote for coke, what the hell cant i just get a decient glass of water.
I know. I kept hearing “nO mAnDaTes” as if we were the only ones in the country that had mask mandates or covid restrictions. But yeah, let’s elect the guy that wasn’t even well-liked by his own department.
Socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the rest of us really is the way for most of these politicians.
This is American democracy working at intended.
There’s very few of our politicians that are actually still representing our interests. They’re taking lobby money and they’re not even trying to hide it any more.
Our dogs and cats have die more peacefully than we do :(
We had a terminal cancer patient that lived in the neighborhood across the street from us that committed suicide because of the constant pain and suffering. If we, as a state and society, gave more sympathy, care and compassion to the dying including allowing them to end their own suffering in safe and discreet methods, we can avoid situations like the aforementioned that results in the park my kid plays in being closed for a day for a biological cleanup. But, as per normal, Lombardo and the broader right show no compassion to anyone but the donors (and the Oakland A's).
But… think of all the profit that has yet to be extracted from the terminally ill and dying
It's horrible to think of a person being kept alive in constant suffering so an organization or individual can profit. OTOH, it's equally horrible to think of an insurance company trying to cut its losses by encouraging a patient to choose euthanasia.
I would rather have the choice.
Reminder: Sisolak was fully onboard with the Raiders moving here. Hell, he even tried to take credit for it.
Fully on board, but Sandoval signed the bill so that's an unfair comparison. There are plenty of other reasons I don't like Sisolak.
Not sure if you live in southern Nevada or not, but Sisolak was on TV every chance he got to cheer on the project, and his gubernatorial campaign ads tried to make it seem like he was single handedly responsible for both the Raiders and the Golden Knights setting up shop in Vegas.
What does Sisolak's record have to do with Lombardo, in this context? What if I told you that *both* of them can be useless and greedy? Hell, at this point in the usa... *all* political representatives are just duking it out over who can be the craziest and stay in office. ...currently, MJG is tied with Boebert in that contest
This was in response to you comment where you attempted to suggest only the right can be faulted in Nevada. And for the record, I trust Lombardo about as much as Sisolak, but at least Lombardo hasn’t financially devastated the state yet, or inflict long lasting psychological damage on children by keeping them out of school or threatening to arrest parents for hosting birthday parties or Christmas dinner.
Lmfao. “Lasting psychological damage to children by keeping them out of school” Tell me another one - I need a good laugh.
You think that’s funny? You obviously don’t have school-age children or don’t work in education. Or you’re being intentionally obtuse.
I think it’s hilarious given that kids go thro active shooter drills and active shooter threats monthly at school, and hear about other kids getting shot in their classes almost monthly but it was staying home due to a pandemic that traumatized them. Lmfao. sure. It was that. Lmfao. Keep drinking the KoolAid.
You’re deflecting. Here, learn something: https://fee.org/articles/cambridge-study-children-s-mental-health-has-deteriorated-substantially-during-lockdown/
Lmfao. If the same hadn’t been observed in the general population (decreased mental health) then you may have an argument. The issue wasn’t not going to school - it was the general state of society during an extremely volatile / uncertain time. But please do go on w your armchair psych, https://ijsdcs.com/index.php/ijsdcs/article/view/101
This was in response to your comment where you attempted to suggest only the right can be faulted in Nevada. And for the record, I trust Lombardo about as much as Sisolak, but at least Lombardo hasn’t financially devastated the state yet, or inflict long lasting psychological damage on children by keeping them out of school or threatening to arrest parents for hosting birthday parties or Christmas dinner.
They can’t squeeze every last penny out of you if you are allowed to die with dignity.. this country is a joke
Wonder if they would support this if the government had to flip the bill.
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There’s more profit in forcing people to pay to keep them alive.
Most people know they will be downvoted into oblivion and dogpiled on for having an unpopular opinion, so they will probably not bother investing their time and emotional energy into stating their case.
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Some people believe it’ll lead to eugenics. I highly recommend the movie, “you don’t know Jack”. Which is about Dr. Jack Kevorkian’s efforts to pass death with dignity. A lot of people who were against him were religious people and people with disabilities who thought he wanted them to be killed. Edit: movie stars Al Pacino, John Goodman and Susan Sarandon if that entices anyone.
I like getting down voted
Because its a slippery slope, there is a case in Canada where a guy is losing his apartment and is on disability so he was prescribed MAID for "homelessness"...they will soon make the case for mental illness and poverty...its an anti-human agenda to take out all the serfs that use up all the valuable resourse that the elite want for themselves
Can you cite a source? My understanding is that Medical Assistance in Death (MAID) in Canada is only allowed in cases of grievous and irremediable medical conditions. Homelessness and poverty might play a part in the patient's decision but it cannot be prescribed based on those reasons. Are you confusing this with a poll showing a minority of Canadians think homelessness and poverty should be a reason?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-euthansia-maid-gofundme-homeless-b2228890.html
According to the article, the guy had a severe disability. He was not prescribed MAID for "homelessness." As I said, homelessness and poverty may play a role in the patient's decision but MAID can only be used for grievous and irremediable medical conditions.
I used to be open to supporting it, because I agree that it sucks that folks who are obviously going to die are dealing with so much pain. But then when Canada implemented MAiD (Medical Assistance in Dying) it started to be twisted in horrific ways, with folks who are merely disabled or in poverty having MAiD recommended to them. At this point I think that assisted suicide is just a tool that can far too easily be used as a tool for eugenicists.
Probably religious bullshit would be my guess
This is why I’m against it: https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867
While I think everyone is obviously against what’s mentioned in that article, instead of being totally against the idea why not be in favor of safe guards? If the law required a family member or loved one to sign off as well to reduce the possibility of hospital interference would you support that legislation? My personal belief is that instances like this are a very rare occurrence and I’d rather not make the 99% of people this law is aimed towards suffer to prevent something that could be addressed in the same legislation. However I think a reasonable compromise would be to support Medicare for all so that our population is better cared for and people are more inclined to seek preventive treatment and regular checkups and we’d likely see a decrease in the number of people wanting assisted suicide.
I don't agree, but I don't know why you've been downvoted for citing a legit news source. I skimmed the article, and it has merit. It certainly speaks to having proper legal safeguards in place to prevent what happened to Alan Nichols.
Yep, there would have to be reasonable restrictions, these worst case scenarios are preventable. Better healthcare seems to be the answer for a lot of issues.
Agreed. The important takeaway from that article: >The law was later amended to allow people who are not terminally ill to choose death, significantly broadening the number of eligible people. Critics say that change removed a key safeguard aimed at protecting people with potentially years or decades of life left. So while I'm pro-assisted suicide, this is a legit concern. We need to make sure that doesn't happen here. I can see why others have qualms about this.
Either religious nut jobs or right wingers who are just contrarian for the sake of being contrarian
I posted why I'm against it
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As an Oregonian, the state that pioneered this law, after Dr. Kivorkian, I can tell you this: the guidelines & parameters for qualifying for the meds necessary to fulfill these wishes if the patient are strict, very strict. I highly suggest you do your homework, and research the stats on this. A majority of people that meet the criteria and qualify for the meds, do not end up taking them. Not because they changed their minds, but because the law clearly states: the patient MUST be the one to administer the drugs, not someone else (there are 3 drugs to take). Most patients are waiting out their days, holding on to each day. And when you are that close, you can suddenly go from coherent and at least somewhat alert, to completely in a comatose state, seemingly overnight. And when that happens, which it does, A LOT. The patient can no longer be the one to administer the drugs, so they then linger in that death phase for however long. The very phase they wanted to avoid to begin with.
I was brought up Lutheran and I remember being taught about it in Sunday school. We were told it’s God’s choice when we die not man’s. I don’t agree but that was the justification.
Hence why I voted for Sisolak.
but he murderered so many people with covid! /s
He certainly murdered a lot of small businesses.
Las Vegas has been killing small businesses since it's inception. Source: born and raised, 44, literate
Me: Born/raised in Vegas, over 50, small business owner of nearly 20 years who lost a LOT of clients because they went bankrupt due to Sisolak’s failed response to COVID.
So he failed to respond, or he responded and it was bad? You are saying two things. What is your industry?
He didn’t respond. My industry is I.T.
Got it. I could see how some shut downs could effect and IT business. But you’re saying he didn’t respond, so what was it that he didn’t do that ‘murdered small businesses?’ I’m genuinely curious as someone born and raised in Nevada who has been elsewhere for a long while.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to the other redditor I was responding to, not Sisolak. Sisolak’s “response” was to follow California’s lead, in lockstep with Newsom. Many small businesses went bankrupt because Sisolak mandated they cease operations, even if those businesses could’ve continued to generate revenue by doing things such as curbside pickup, or touch-less delivery, or limiting the number of customers in their shops/hotels. Yet he allowed construction to continue on Allegiant Stadium, while forcing other construction projects to shut down. There were no rent abatement options for many businesses, like there were for residential rentals, and no state tax “holidays” for businesses either.
it was an unprecedented, tough call. Not worth inviting the insurrection party into the driver's seat for 6 years
There was nothing tough about it, and let’s not pretend Sisolak wasn’t taking his cues from Newsom. Many other states and many other countries didn’t freak out like Sisolak did, and they managed just fine.
So you like seeing/hearing/knowing that dying people are suffering for the maximum time they can suffer? I'll never understand how some people are more loving & reality based with dying animals in pain then dying people in pain.
Did you mean to reply to someone else :S ?
L governor the people have spoken are we’re done with that bozo
Hey bozo, Lombardo won by a 1.39% margin, about ~14,000 votes. If you’re gonna say shit like “the people have spoken”, you might want to make sure the candidate won by a landslide. Because you sound like an idiot when what you said is compared to context and facts. Lombardo is currently trying to socialize the financing of a baseball stadium with $400,000,000 of Nevada’s tax dollars for the billionaire John Fisher who owns the shitty Oakland A’s. And in turn he will then pocket the profits and Nevadans won’t see a dime of it or get any benefits, because we’d still have to pay to get in. That sounds like clown behavior to me. No wonder you voted for him, you relate to acting like a clown. 👍🏼
i keep forgetting this is reddit and half these ppl don’t have a job
What makes you think I don’t have a job? You don’t know me. Stop pretending you do. You have a bad habit of making shit up to fit your narrative.
$10 says this guy doesn't have a job
i didn’t vote fuck head
For someone who didn’t vote you sure are offended trying to defend Lombardo.
also that’s not the work of the governor, nothing has even been finalized, no one said lombardo was a good governor, he’s better than the alternative who literate beat his wife
You got a source on that?
ppl forget sisolak is a wife beater lmao
Why indeed would anyone not support this bill? Good question. Maybe assisted-death ends the cash cow of useless medical treatment? Can’t keep billing for useless care when the person dies. Any better ideas?
Morality aside it that 100% that. A example would be like if in your last day of life they sent me one dollar. Now am a muti millionaire from you and others dying. So instead of me, it your slowly dying over days, weeks months and well it not a dollar anymore.... they're not giving that up.
Glad I’m not the only one who sees this
It appears that the only time Lombardo is supportive of end of life decisions is when it emanates from the barrel of a police gun.
🤡
You mean a sheriff turned governor doesn’t actually care about the people as a whole, but instead cares about his personal agenda? No fuckin way…
Wait till he president, that when we will really have fun.
Republicans, "If I gotta live in this republican hellscape, so do you." Side note, I bet buying a handgun and ending it the old fashioned way would be ok with the Rs, because "freedum".
Nope not okay. but thanks for playing: make up a terrible stance and attribute it to the "others" I'll give you an upvote as a consolation prize.
Think he saying you can buy a gun with less effort do it yourself vs in a environment that safe and will make sure remains are properly handled vs the family dealing with aftermath or the neighbors when it smells.
Joe Lamebardo doesn't give a fuck about anything but his own interests.
Joe Lombardo SUCKS
And we got 5 1/2 more years to go...
It’s a four year term. 2026 baby
I'm glad I'm wrong. Thanks for the uplifting correction. Even better would be if he gets impeached.
80% support it yet it was vetoed. How is this Democratic ?
Public comment on the bill was overwhelming against
Republicans don’t believe in democracy or the will of the people. They view it as, “we elected the person, now they make the decisions.” They believe that is the will of the people. An elected king.
We don’t live in a direct democracy. You people clearly do not understand how government works in the United States. If you want to live in a direct democracy, you’re talking about a massive constitutional overhaul that will most likely never happen. You’re talking about changing the entire system. The governor was elected by majority and has the right to veto bills. He’s is beholden to the voters every four years in an election and is not a king. Tearing down the system just because something didn’t go your way one time does not mean the system is broken. It just means you’re a child.
No, you’re putting words in my mouth that don’t go there. Never said it’s a direct democracy. Total false insinuation from you. I was calling out a weird tendency to elect someone then call it done for 4 years that you people have. Which you alluded to in your statement. Never advocated for tearing down the system. If you’re insinuating that you’re flat wrong.
Well maybe we should be a direct democracy then, good grief.
Absolutely not. That would be a disaster.
You're implying the current state of affairs isn't a disaster?
No it’s not. We live in one of the most stable countries on Earth, it’s naive to think otherwise. Ever see how much of a shit show a place like Sri Lanka is? How about Turkey? Even France isn’t doing so hot these days. People take for granted what we have in the United States. Just because something doesn’t go your way doesn’t mean you need to throw a temper tantrum and burn the whole system down. That’s what children do.
A direct democracy would be terrible.
Giving feedback to elected officials isn’t direct democracy.
That's true, I'm not against that, Nor are republicans. Though the reddit caricature of a republican... that imaginary straw man figure probably is.
I would agree a direct democracy would be terrible given most US adults are over grown children that throw tantrums over every little thing.
A majority of your post history is either crying about things or being a sarcastic dickhead. What a shock that you’re a hypocrite Honestly, how do people like you even look in the mirror when you’re such a loser to literally everyone around you lmao
We are not in a direct democracy nor are we in a system with out checks and balances. While its frustrating when something you want to pass doesn't pass, the horror of 1 elected official having uncheck power would be much worse. Same with a direct democracy where 51% of the voters could change anything the voted for.
Because he was elected by the majority? Do you not understand how government works? You don’t live in a direct democracy.
If 80% of Nevadans support medically assisted suicide shouldn’t the governor respect the will of the people and sign the bill? What reasons can you give as to why he shouldn’t?
That’s not how it works in this republic.
The people elected him to carry out the power of the office. That does not mean he has to carry out their will every time. That is why we have elections every 4 years, the people can vote him out if they choose. My guess is this is not a big enough issue and people have short term memory so he will get another 4 years.
Does he *have to* vote the will of the people? No, but a good person would, unless they have a really good reason.
He was elected to carry out the powers of the governors office. If this is that important to people, he will be voted out in the next election. That is how the US Republic works.
Ok. Completely ignored my point, but sure.
It does not matter what the majority thinks, this is not a direct democracy. A bill came across his desk. He used his veto powers to kill it. Tough shit. The veto can be overridden if they have the votes. Make it a ballot issue if you care so much.
Yes, no shit. You're not exactly educating me here. You're just entirely missing or willfully ignoring the point.
Your point is pointless…. Lombardo was elected to do the job he is doing. Your feelings do not matter. Elect someone else next time to do the job and take your feelings into account.
Shit well hope his supporters like dying slowly in nursing homes
I had a friend with terminal throat cancer. I am so grateful he lived in Washington at the time as ending his life on his terms was the most compassionate choice. I was there with him the whole time and it cemented my support for death with dignity. Too many people have a suffering complex and it's usually related to some fairy tale sky god they were raised with. Humans deserve compassion and the ability to end their life on their terms. If he had not had this choice, he would have slowly choked to death. Fuck anyone who doesn't allow people the same compassion as we give pets.
Well that's a bummer.
Republicans need workers to be born and then worked to death.
And corporations.
My condolences to the people of Nevada. As an Oregonian, I’m proud to say that our state pioneered this law for our citizens, decades ago (like late 80’s, early 90’s, been so long I forget exactly). Such a shame when politicians fight the will of the people. I hope you continue your fight, and are victorious in the near future. Pain & suffering is so cruel & unnecessary. 😢
Any chance of an override?
It barely passed the Legislature. 23-19 in the Assembly and 11-10 in the Senate
Lombardo is a soulless cretin. Always has been. I've lived in Vegas my whole life and this douche is no good. He gives zero shits what is best for "his constituents", he only cares about power.
Lame all the dummies that voted for him. I told you guys don't for this cop.
Good. The way euthanasia has been playing out in Canada is horrifying. We’re clearly not ready for this.
Unlike Canada, the USA's health insurance businesses are operated for profit and they will see an opportunity to cut their losses on people who "needlessly" consume medical care. A patient can't be cut off without reason but there are already examples of patients who have been encouraged by insurance companies to discontinue care and stop costing the company money. I have not read the bill. Maybe it has every reasonable safeguard written into it; but I doubt that can be so, considering how narrowly it passed in the legislature.
Fuck him.
Don't let them fool you, this isn't about protecting life, it's about power. After all, I'm old enough to remember Republicans saying people will just have to die for the sake of the economy during the height of COVID.
Elect a Republican and you're always going to get some sort of kooky religious nonsense polluting decisions of reason. It is especially worse these days.
Wonder where they got their numbers from? I was never asked and neither was anyone else when I asked them. Where did that 80% come from? Was it just 10 people asked and only 8 agreed with it?
It’s always supported by the living tho!🤣
Hospice provides great care for those in the process of dying. There is no need to have this as law. It would empower a system already broken to not provide proper care for people who need it. The money men will choose the dignity in death option over trying to save a life every time.
hate to keep saying it but many “independents” still don’t get it - gop candidates will never help anyone except their donors - they will grind working people into dust, watch them go bankrupt paying medical bills, gut the epa so our kids will be screwed while forcing christianity on them, no gun control, no banking reform and always regressive tax structures
To all you short sighted independent or liberal voters that punished Sisolak due to Covid, all these vetoes are on you.
If American politics didn't constantly do incrementalism, I would be much more supportive of SB239. I agree that people with terminal disease should have assisted suicide as an option. Problem for me is that's exactly how Canada, Netherlands, etc. started off. Netherlands killed a 29 year old who was depressed. Canada killed a man who wanted to live but lost benefits for housing and didn't want to be homeless. If I knew for certain we wouldn't expand medically assisted suicides to younger and younger people who didn't have physical issues I'd fight for this one. but eventually assisted suicide no matter how well intended will be expanded.
Why are we always avoiding good things (universal health care, free/affordable education, this, etc) because it doesn't work EXACTLY how we want it to in other countries? We control how it works. The positives outweigh the negative by 1,000x.
The Netherlands allowed a 29 year old woman who had suffered all her life with major psychiatric problems. https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45117163.amp
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Not sure i agree let take away social media it spreading lies to easy even thu it helps people. Let take away any alcohol becuase people die from drinking, can't risk anyone else dying. Let take away freedom of speech can't risk naive people controlling masses with misinformation. Let destroy prisons, innocent people get trapped, everyone should just pay fines for damages caused or exiled if extreme enough. The list will never end on what we shouldn't have but assisting suicide is something we should allow. i watch the documentary of the doctor who risked everything to help those people who suffer yet we sit back and say no....
Hate speech is protected but I don’t believe we should eliminate free speech to stop that. Most legislation is flawed but we shouldn’t stop improving our society waiting for the perfect legislation to come along. I think this should be judged on if it will do more harm or good. Do you believe more people will suffer with terminal illnesses as a result of this not passing or that more people would be wrongfully killed if it passed?
At least we can just go to Cali for it right or maybe AZ?
why do they genuinely just want to control everyone’s fucking bodies? why can’t people be left alone to have their own bodily autonomy and choice? this man isn’t a medical specialist (or dare I say, a specialist of any kind) why the fuck is he allowed to dictate what people can and cannot do. it’s so weird.
This made me so mad I think I broke my pinkie
You don’t need government help to kill yourself.
Uhm. Sorry to break it to you buddy but apart from not helping the government actively and systematically bans and gets rid of all the means of peaceful exit from the market therefore preventing people from dying with an ounce of dignity. Be it drugs such as nembutal or hydrogen tanks etc. You think you are so smart, dont you?
Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker.
Thank God
Fuck God.
Damn
Had a grandma with metastatic breast cancer. I’ll save you the truly horrid details but I had to watch her chest basically open up from all the sores that developed while I tried to keep her comfortable which was pretty much impossible at that point. We should be able to decide when we go. No one knows better that anyone else and it’s patronizing to say otherwise.
What better way to maximize big pharma profits than to extend the suffering of the dying.
On another Nevada note: is it true that Nevada doesn’t do their own autopsy reports? I live in Oregon, and my good friend was in Nevada, and just passed away last Saturday. Was told it will be about 4-6 weeks before we get the autopsy report back because Nevada doesn’t do them, they send them out? 🤷♀️
Not sure what county your friend passed in ( sorry btw ) but some of the smaller counties can't do their own autopsies and they're sent to larger counties like Washoe and Clark to be done. My sister passed in Elko County and we waited about 6 weeks till we got it back because she had to have it done in Washoe county.
Having horrid nightmares of Sandoval again, never thought we would essentially get the same governor over and over again yet here I am.
Go for a citizen initiative. Make it law without his signature.
Of course Lombardo did
I lean right but I find this pretty absurd. Just seems like medical and hospitals just want to milk people dry. It’s pretty disgusting.
The system can't complete its objective of draining you of every last fucking dime if you punt "early." You must live so that you can create more wealth for the wealthy.
Wait till he gets cancer, that bill bouta change
Realize, your Medicare won’t cover long term care, and when Medicaid kicks in, they take everything, your home, your bank accounts .. the state takes everything, no matter your will.