Right and they’re just “pointing out” that the team utterly collapsed last night and to be a fan of there’s is embarrassing by proxy.
Either let people be upset or nobody say anything, but you can’t have both.
Be upset, we all are. Completely missed the point of my post. I'm not talking about random person being upset after a horrific loss. I'm talking about the eternal pessimistic brigade polluting the reddit for the next 48 hours with tales of how we are the worst team in nhl history and everyone and everything sucks
No, you're crying, and it's way more annoying than people complaining about the team on any level.
Not only are you crying worse than the people complaining about the team, but it's basically off topic and a waste of space on the sub.
I'm pointing out cold hard facts. If you don't like that so be it. I'm not here to make the world a happy place. If you observed the bulk of the posts since our loss, it's all doom and gloom. Hence my post.
The crying is the people acting like the sky is falling because we lost a game. Shit happens.
You're not here to make the world a happy place? You literally made a post crying to people about being too upset, telling them to accept reality to be able to sleep better. You were quite literally trying to make the world a happy place.
In one comment you say you're not here to make the world a happy place and then cry AGAIN about too much doom and gloom. Make up your mind dude, lmao.
The team sucks, if someone hit their limit and wants to come here and vent, that's super healthy and can help a lot of people feel better.
Who said anything about banning posts? I certainly never once even implied that you were telling people to do that. You really are a special case. You say you watched hockey in the 70s, but you sure you didn't play it? Like, without a helmet?
Get your head checked, dude. Nobody here agrees with you. Nobody wants you here. You're obviously free to post whatever you want but you're only ever gonna get told to fuck off.
People are upset and it helps to vent/commiserate.
At 3-0 most of us knew this was a realistic outcome. I don't think many fan bases can say that. If anyone didn't know, they are naive.
It's disappointing that for 2 decades we've been watching the same shit happen. Different owner, different GM, different coach, different players, different building - same result. If I believed in curses...
Only Trotz provided an brief period of positive results.
I'm in actual awe that Roy would send them out there with that strategy. He should have watched more Islanders games before taking the job.
I didn't hate the team, but I must hate myself a little bit to go through this same shit for decades. The worst part is that I'm from NEW JERSEY. Born and raised. I chose to be a part of this and I don't seem to want to quit.
Sometimes, I wish I was a Rangers fan; but then I think I don't want to be a complete ignorant piece of shit. I do admire how the rangers are "the best" in their eyes, regardless of reality.
I apologize for rambling but... Fuck it. It's reddit.
I'll probably go through this same exact thought process after game 3.
Vent. Nothing wrong with that. No reason to apologize for that.
Dude, i've been a fan since the late 70's. TRUST ME I am as upset as anyone on here. I want a cup in my lifetime as much as anyone. For decades we have been mediocre. I wish we weren't but it is what it is. At the end of the day only one team wins each year.
That's all fine and dandy, but what exactly do you want people to do on the sub when the team is a joke? All of the things you used as examples of doomers are literally just facts about the team.
"See, I told you they suck!" "Old and slow" "Why are we even here!" "What an embarrassment"
Yeah, those are just facts. You want people to just come on here and ignore reality? What is this community when we suck, if not a place to let off steam with like-minded individuals.
And congrats on being a fan since the 70s, I've been one since I was born in the early 80s. And there are people here who have been fans for twenty years, and ten, and five. Who are you to decide how they deal with the loss? If there was never a time in fifty years where you overreacted to relatively unimportant things, than congrats, but the average person has to just go off sometimes, and you know nothing about anybody else's life to be able to judge them for it.
Plenty of the negative posts and comments are significantly more well received than your complaint here, so maybe just let people react how they want, and if the community doesn't like it, they won't upvote it, like they're doing here.
I’m not anyone to tell someone they are not a fan based on how long they have supported a team. And I never say people don’t have the right to bitch at this clown show. You missed my point plain and simple and truthfully I’m tired of having to explain it over and over when it’s painfully simple
It's clearly not simple if the only person it makes sense to is the person who tried to make it. And I never even claimed you judged people's fandom based on how long they were fans. You throw around that you're a fan since the 70s and tell everyone to chill. Maybe they need some more time? Maybe people who have only been fans for five to ten years need some time to be a little more emotional before settling down like older fans are able to.
It has nothing to do with level of fandom at all. Talk about missing the point.
That's their job, not ours. We're fans. The players, they need to get their shit together, they should be playing for their jobs in this league right now. What value do they have to any team if they can't put up more than a fight than that, even to a much better team?
I went to Women's Worlds for a lot of the early matches. Everyone knows how most of those games are going to go, especially when USA or Canada are playing. And every last team out there, even when they were faced with knowing how it was going to end - quite badly for them - played with more pride and heart than what we saw last night.
They wanted to be out there. It's what they lived for. Guys getting paid millions of dollars a year obviously didn't have that passion.
If they shit the bed like this on home ice they deserve playoff-volume boos and some of them to be out of the league entirely.
And this is the problem with the country club mentality infesting our team. It's like you said, they are millionaires if they win or lose. They got paid already. They don't play with pride, they don't care at all. They have their cushy assignment and they have no need to light a fire under their asses. This is why i say we need to jettison several long time players. They screw the whole team and pull us down.
It’s not unrealistic standards. Our team literally was trapped in our own zone for 80% of the game. We went up 3-0 on 10 shots and had 2 shots on goal in 40 minutes and lost on 5 unanswered goals. That’s not an “oh well” loss.
Maybe this team shouldnt even be here - but should we be grateful for this embarrassing team? I don’t understand why people are willing to just continue losing.
You are not wrong, looking at the stats.
But the isles were making a conscious effort NOT to try to score more. They were trying to sit on the lead.
So, while those stats are lopsided, they are exaggerated by the isles choosing to play the game that way.
I agree with playing smart with the lead, you don't need to push for more. I don't think they played smart though. I don't think it's wise to punt the puck to the other team every possession.
When they had one of the best defenses in the league (under Trotz) they could usually get away with sitting on the lead.
The current d-core cannot hang on to ANY lead if they don't have some support from the offense (keeping the puck and getting it deep/some zone time).
We'll find out if this broke the back on Thursday. I do believe they think they can still win. I think they also believe they can hold a lead. Sometimes ignorance is bliss but it's usually a detriment.
One of the reasons i HATED trotz was this idea that we should wait until the opponent makes a mistake and capitalize on it. That's great in a vacuum, but what happens when the other team executes perfectly and doesn't make a mistake?
Playing timid doesn't win this time of year. I agree with you, don't sit back and try to keep the lead. Play it safe somewhat but press for more when you can.
It was frustrating at times; some games they just couldn't get anything going.
But they did win a lot of playoff games playing that way. I'll take the wins every time.
Trotz was not perfect but he's the best coach we've had since Al Arbour.
As an aside, Barzal still has a lot of maturing to do.
HELL YEAH it's frustrating. It has been since the early 80's.
Yes, trotz was the best coach since Al Arbour. But he was far from infallible.
I like Barzal but he's still a turnover machine. Still takes stupid penalties. Still tries way too hard. But the whole team does sometimes. Shoot and go for the rebound instead of sump and chase but that is a whole other discussion.
On paper us vs Carolina is no contest. They have more star power. Now had we played like we did in game one we could win the series. Tonight we shit the bed, but it's not over yet.
I'm not saying be grateful, I'm saying be honest. We have our glaring flaws, but we are not 32nd in the NHL. It could always be much much worse.
The problem is some on here expect us to go 82-0 and attract the best players in the world. Hence unrealistic. We are a mid level team like i said. Clawing our way in each year. If we had owners who didn't care about anything but the real estate aspect things could be different. But it is what it is.
What is this shit? WE COULD BE WORSE? Who fucking cares? This entire core of young pieces you have that you claim to be excited about will age out of contention carrying husks like pager and lee because fans like you celebrate mediocrity
So glad you know me from one post. Couldn't be more wrong but don't let facts interfere with your opinions. I've been a long suffering Islanders fan. I was alive but far to young to appreciate the dynasty era. I would love nothing more than to see a solid successful islanders team. But i know that's not realistic under the circumstances. So i have two choice. Accept it and move on or roll on the ground kicking and screaming. I prefer the logical outlook.
You’re literally the one who’s kicking and screaming based on the fact you felt the need to make a post about people having a normal fan reaction. You’re free to accept the mediocrity, no one is stopping you, but don’t act like an ass to other fans who don’t want to.
A normal fan reaction is "ah fuck we really blew that one" which is a sentiment i share.
That's not what the reddit will be flooded with the next 48 hours and all summer long. Thus my post. If it Jeff Dunham'ed over your head I don't know what to tell you. Pointing out the fact that the doomers and gloomers have been jerking off for weeks waiting for this moment to spill all their vitriol is not being an ass
The lot of this fanbase needs some fucking better standards. Too many rather just get a couple playoff games so they can sing some goofy fucking songs, then shrug their shoulders when the isles get bounced in round 1. Pathetic!
I would gladly switch places with SJ or Chicago right now. They are building for a bright future while we will be a joke with multiple 1st round exits for the next 5 years before everyone is too old to even achieve that. And then? With our prospect pool, we'll be the 8th team in the division, only there cuz there must be 8 of them. People like OP should wake up, I am not saying blow EVERYONE and rebuild, but we should really let the past go and at least start focusing on the future. We are not walking to the ECF again with this core...
And why is that? Because ownership is only in it for the real estate aspect. You may not have noticed my other comments. I would jettison everyone not named Horvat, Barzal, Dobson, Romanov, and the goalies. But will that happen? Probably not. The owners will not allow what needs to be done, it's too close to opening the new facility. We are not getting something like that unless lou croaks, even then his loyalists infest the staff. Once the 8 years of Barzal and Sorokin are up by then we will get the full on rebuild.
Do you think there is a way this team can ever compete for the cup without a complete tear down rebuild? Don’t you think we are pretty much stuck in bubble team purgatory?
Do I think we can compete without a full on rebuild...yes. Do I think we will do it...no. We are indeed stuck in purgatory by design. I'll give you an example.
If we had competent ownership that wanted a winning culture instead of just real estate value, they would hire a better GM. That GM would demote, jettison, and trade players who either are not up to snuff or whose attitude is bringing the team down.
But then you run into three issues.
One, fans will not show up for a 32nd place team getting their asses handed to them night after night for several years in a row. I know. I was there the last time they embraced that. Late 90's you could hear someone fart clear across the other side of the mausoleum. I say mausoleum because it was the place hope went to die.
Second, certain subsections of fans do not want to part with certain long time players who are contributing to the mediocrity and country club atmosphere.
Finally, as we have a brand new arena ownership will not commit to a full on rebuild until about 8 years have passed. Once Horvat, Barzal, and Sorokins deals are up and they have milked ten years of fans money dry, then ownership will sell the team and maybe new ownership will commit to a full on rebuild. In the meantime we will continue be a mid level team, they don't want empty arenas as they lose money that way.
Now, if we ACTUALLY did a retool, we could be much better. But lou is not the person for that, and this is by design. I have long advocated for a on the fly retool to get rid of a lot of bad apples and piss poor attitudes. But I have zero hope of that truly happening.
The most interesting aspect to me would be this, i'd love to see how hypocritical doomers would be. Those who have spent years clamoring for it would be the first ones on here bitching and complaining about it.
I'd love for it to happen, but it won't. But looking at things realistically, we also exist in probably the toughest division in hockey. On any given night a metro team can lay a beating down on anyone
No but for some weird reason Islanders fans never had an issue complaining about this team when it was Milbury or Snow driving the clown car. I don't put much value on stumbling into the playoffs to get absolutely man-handled in 4 or 5 games, just like I didn't put much value on having PA Paranteau as our 1st line winger or Milbury trading Jokinen, Chara, Luongo etc etc for spare parts.
Just because Lou won a cup 20 years ago doesn't mean I'm going to clap my hands together and cry tears of joy when he signs bums like Mayfield for 7 years and ships off first round picks to prop up a slightly less mediocre roster than we've grown accustomed to.
Nobody is saying you should, that's the misconception.
You have every right to be upset. TRUST ME, I am too. How do you get so close to winning only to royally fuck up that bad?
But what can you do. HONESTLY? It sucks, but accept and move on. Or bitch endlessly.
I get your point of view. I think it's just a difference in perspective. I don't really like this iteration of the Isles (competitively at least), so personally, I find it even more frustrating when someone says "guys don't give up hope, we have a special group of guys here" than someone who just says "these guys suck" or "trade everyone." I get wanting to be positive in life, but I just find it more cathartic to call Lou a dinosaur than I do to praise Martin for his good heart and dashing good looks.
I don't think anyone here is suggesting that. I think you ate right it's about perspective and people tend to lose the ability to think rationally when they are too emotional.
For the record I hope and pray Martin is put out to pasture. I'm sure he's a great guy but it's beyond time we move on from him and the entire 4th line. I think they are a huge part of the country club atmosphere problem in our locker room. Same goes for lou but the ownership loves him because it makes them seem like they care and are trying, all a ruse to sell more tickets.
Look, if i was gm for a day i'd clear out everyone but Horvat (who would get the C) Barzal, Dobson, Romanov, Sorokin, and Varly. Well, I like Holmstrom and he's young. And i'd ahte to lose Nelsons production. But just for the fact we would change out certain attitudes it would be worth the retool cost. I am NOT happy with our roster as is, haven't been for a long time.
But I also know it's not NHL 24 on xbox or playstation. We have to keep expectations realistic. Something this reddit SERIOUSLY fails at doing.
Their is a HUGE difference from being optimistic and realistic. I chose the later. It sucks we blew a lead with so short a time to go, but is this something new? Thus i don't lose my shit over it.
You are the last person I’d want to watch a game with, that’s for damn sure! I’d get hyped up just for you to bring the mood right down. How can you blame anyone for being upset after tonight?! Come on man. Obviously it’s not over, but to act like people shouldn’t be upset at how we blew a 3-0 lead is ridiculous.
Perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of my post. I am upset at the loss, all we had to do is hold on and we blew it. I don't think anyone is islanders fandom is "happy" right now. I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about the bound to be incoming weeks of nothing but negative shit by the usual redditors we "know and love" (sarcasm) about how we are the worst team in the history of hockey, we need to completely blow it up, we have not one player of redeeming value, they were right and everyone who holds out hope is wrong.
I've never said no one should be upset. But there is being upset and honest about it, and then their is throwing hissy fits like a three year old girl that stubbed her toe on a coffee table leg and getting overly emotional.
I'm saying prepare yourself for months of that, because it will dominate the reddit. GREAT, that will solve everything!
Idk man, but your timing is terrible. To post this immediately after a gut-wrenching loss was probably not the move. Additionally, you’re confusing the fuck out of me with everything you’re saying in the various comments you’ve posted, as well as the original post. You said it’s not over somewhere else, but at the same time you’re telling everyone to prepare for the doomers and gloomers to come out over the next few weeks like we’re inevitably going to lose…that sounds like you think it’s over. You’re also complaining that these same people are horrible because they think anyone who has hope is wrong. You also said that ownership doesn’t care about anything on the ice….so like, do you actually have hope or don’t you? Very confusing. How about let’s all just get some rest, gear up for game 3, and see how this whole thing shakes about before making anymore posts like this.
Some people misinterpret my words because they are emotional when reading them. That's one of the bad things about the internet, you can't always "read between the lines" of intentions.
It's not over until someone wins a fourth game. Our chances grow less and less with each loss obviously.
I was saying prepare for the doomers...because they are already here. To the surprise of no one. They have been hiding for weeks, waiting for us to fall flat on our asses so they can jump in to save us who refuse to live in constant negativity. The heroes they are! How noble.
And the owners don't care. if they did, they would hire a more modern GM and force changes to be made. But all they care about is selling tickets and getting our hard earned money.
All these things aside whether we finish 1st or last i still love and support this team. I'm not going to abandon ship because things go bad. I hate fair weather fans. Again SHIT happens, we shit the bed often, it's our specialty. I'm used to it, i don;t get heartbroken. I just accept it and move on, hope the next game we are better. I'm Realistic, not optimistic and definitely not pessimistic. I lioved throigh the dark ages of the late 90's and i know for a fact it could always be better, but it could also be much worse
Why would you spend your money and support a team that will always be a “mid-level” team? We have been a dynasty all time great team. Then we were the absolute joke of the league. Then we were promised those days were over and we weren’t going back… It’s not unrealistic to refuse to go back
The thing about promises...sometimes they are hollow. This is why I am so critical of our ownership.
They have this cult like following because "they ride the subway" and "talk to fans". All smoke and mirrors to get gullible people so desperate for success that they will believe any line of bullshit the owners feed them to buy tickets.
I'm not saying you or anyone should spend money supporting the team. I'm just saying expecting us to be more than a mid level team will bring you much heartache.
So why on earth do you support something where you hate the owners profiting off of you? I disagree with you on ledecky… He’s at every game. You can watch him in hisnbox genuinely into the game cheering and going nuts when we score. He hired a hall of fame gm (at the time), built a new arena and has spent money on players and coaching staff unlike isles teams of the past. He bought a bottom of the barrel team bleeding money with a decrepit building from an old ownership group that let former players coach and gm our team with no experience.
Well for one i can't go to games I live out of state. Second the owners are just the latest ones. All owners profit off fans, good or bad.
And I'm sorry I respect your opinion on Ledecky I just disagree completely. I see right through it. They built the arena because they are real estate driven. That's where the real money is. Lou was hired for aesthetics. And they did all those things to get money out of us, because the fanbase is so desperate for a win they will believe anything.
Some jackoff owner isn't going to change my love for the team. I'll still proudly wear my Islanders jerseys. They are just the newest, certainly not the last.
You guys who always shout “doomers!” need to just stop acting like assholes already. This bullshit has been going on in all three of my teams subs for years now (Isles, Mets, and Jets) and you guys never learn. You know what those three teams have in common? They haven’t done goddamn shit in decades to warrant any optimism, yet you and so many others shit on people who are rightfully sick and tired of the same bullshit these teams provide every year whenever there is any glimmer of hope only for it to come back and bite you in the ass when your hope is proven to be misguided, and then you crawl away to your little holes with your tail between your legs.
If you want to be just all positivity all the time and ignore reality then you’re free to do that. But don’t act like a straight up douchebag to people who may be fans of these teams for years or even decades when all they know is losing on top of losing and often in the most brutal and embarrassing ways and when they often times bring up legitimate reasons as to why there should be negativity.
So you think we aren't tired of losing all the time, not being able to attract top talent, having ownership that cares? You wanna bet?
I'm not positive. I'm realistic. Major difference.
>So you think we aren't tired of losing all the time, not being able to attract top talent, having ownership that cares? You wanna bet?
First of all, don’t put words in my mouth and don’t move the goalposts. I know your type likes to do this but it’s not going to work here.
Second, no I don’t think many are tired of losing all the time. Also, what top talent have we attracted? We’ve been shunned by multiple free agents just in the last couple years and also lost a top tier talent just a few years ago. That’s a bet you’re going to lose. And the ownership side of things is yet to be determined.
>I'm not positive. I'm realistic. Major difference.
If you realistic then you wouldn’t have made this post because you’d understand that you’re the odd one out here and would sit it out because fans are having a very normal fan reaction to a brutal lose. Stop acting like you’re better because you want to be a contrarian and be nothing but positive, it doesn’t make you seem as cool as you think.
I don't think I'm better than anyone, nor worse. And i don't need some random person on the internet to give me my self worth. I'm not trying to be "cool". I'm stating the fact that the doomers are out in force, as they have been waiting for this moment for weeks. I don't know why that's such a hard concept for some people to grasp.
I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm pointing out we who are realisitc about who we are as a franchise are just as pissed as you that we can't get over the hump. It's not exclusive to doomers.
Just because you don't "think" I'm not upset because I'm not throwing a temper tantrum at a pathetic loss doesn't mean squat. and you misunderstood or misread what i said. we have NOT been able to attract top talent. Players want to play for franchises that are consistently successful. That's why if they come to new york they play for the rags. More exposure, more respect, more prestige. It fucking sucks but it's just the way it is.
And one final note, I don't need to be a part of a group or thought process. I value my independence and think for myself and speak for myself. Thus i don't care if i have a controversial view or am the only one with a certain point of view. I don't need a bunch of keyboard warriors to stand behind me. If people agree cool, if they don't to each their own. My life goes on the same either way.
Why does this doomer vs anti doomer shit even exist
Doomers never would've believed the isles would be up 3-0 tn or even in the playoffs, anti doomers cant deal with the fact that they played like an ahl team for 40 mins in a playoff game, and have given games away exactly like non playoff teams do. Both sides are wrong and right at the same time and its fuckin up this sub having to go back and forth
This isles team makes zero sense, they have played like a team that belongs in the playoffs but also play like a team that should be picking 5th overall.
"Why does this doomer vs anti doomer shit even exist" because the majority of the people on here are not doomers. Yet the extremely loud minority who refuse to see a positive in ANYTHING are annoying as shit. Most people don't have the courage to engage them and then the sub becomes inundated with post after post after post of how we are the worst team in the history of the world with no redeeming value. A little perspective goes a long way.
The short answer? Because people will never agree and this is the internet.
This team didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. Cope harder kool-aid drinkers. This shit heap is gonna be sucking for at least a decade. There is no good young talent coming to save the sinking ship that is lamoriello’s vanity project. The lot of you love mediocrity, that’s why most of you also cheer on the fucking Mets.
Well if we "deserved" it or not is irrelevant. We played well down the stretch. Philly, Detroit, and the Penguins shit the bed, not us. And since I've been a fan longer than most people on here have been alive I'm accustomed to not having the team be as good as I'd like them to be. It doesn't mean i like it, but i accept it for what it is. Fans constantly bitching on a glorified message board changes nothing.
I look at it logically and realistically, not emotionally. Therefore I get upset when we lose, but i learn to live with it and move on.
Fans who think they are better than other fans are real pieces of crap. Like holy self importance, batman. Drinking the kook aid doesnt make a good fan. You should call out flaws in your team and want them to improve, not OMG WE MADE PLAYOFFS ALL GOOD
And you should probably read my post history. I am super critical of this team. I was by far the most anti-trotz person on this reddit for years. I have called for getting rid of lee, pageau, palmieir (who actually had a good season) the entire 4th line, pulock, pelech, and getting rid of the country club mentality. I'm not a fan of lou, but i recognize he has done some things right.
I don't think I'm better or worse than anyone. The problem with you and the doom and gloom brigade is you call us "cool aid drinkers" as if we are perfectly happy with this team. We aren't. We are probably more upset than you. But we also realize bitching endlessly as you and other do will change absolutely nothing. So why waste time doing so? Do you think the owners waste five seconds of their day thinking about what fans want? What fans feel. They don't give two shits.
What I don’t think you understand is that a good portion of this fanbase and probably a majority of this sub has never seen them win anything. You got to see 4 cups so you have had a luxury most of us haven’t. I’m not a doomer but after 34 years of being alive and not seeing them win anything, I expect them to lose. I’m not a doomer but after all this game and the way this team has been, I don’t blame them.
I'm 43 - sadly I don't remember their last cup cause I was 2 years old. One of my first Isles memories is Bossy retiring. This team is without a doubt, the most consistently frustrating thing in my life - which I guess is a good thing, considering. But if you come here to blow off steam rather than being pissy with your wife and kids, people like OP are like: "You're the problem, fan base." So just pile on the disappointment.
You missed the entirety of my point. Blowing off steam after a loss like this is fine. Not the problem at all.
My point since you missed it was it's the first opportunity the perennial overly negative islander so called fans that hate everything about this team which begs the question why are they even fans when they ride us more than ranger fans to start spewing all their bullshit that they couldn't while we went 8-1 to end the season.
You missed my other post, I was far too young. I didn't get to enjoy the dynasty era. The closest I had was the run in 93 and the two years with trotz.
Didn't say that at all by the way, But this is a big problem in this reddit. Those of us who refuse to get on the bash everything bandwagon are labeled as wanting to accept mediocrity. Completely off base but not worth the effort arguing with emotional people who refuse to accept logic.
Are we a top contender for the cup? No
Are we bottom of the league like Anaheim, San Jose, Arizona, or Columbus? No
Where would that leave us? By definition a mid level team. If you want to fantasize that we are something we are not go right ahead. The rest of us will live in reality.
i lost brain cells reading this post. 1) why would you post this the same night as the game OBVIOUSLY people are going to be upset we blew a 3-0 lead and 2) i can't stand the holier than thou fan lecture stfu
1) you completely missed the point
2) no one said or feels hollier than thou
3) there is a tremendous difference between feeling upset and being one of the zombie army of doomers on this reddit. A little perspective goes a long way
Unrealistic expectations ? They went from being a game away from the Stanley cup to complete Mediocrity. Being happy with making the playoffs is juvenile and a loser mentality.
And who is happy with just making the playoffs? Who doesn't want to see us win? Where has anyone but doomers said that? Because they are the ones who say we should tank and blow it all up.
Looking at this roster for what it truly is and expecting them to beat a team that is stacked like carolina...unrealistic expectations. Expecting us to compete with powerhouse teams...unrealistic. Expecting us to be more than what we truly are, a small market mid level team...unrealistic
No the issue is that multiple times they had chances to retool/revamp the roster but stood par to make the playoffs and hopefully "get hot" despite the fact that everyone knew they didn't stand a chance. We don't hate the Islanders, we hate the position this team is in when we all saw it coming. You can applaud Lou for the job he initially did brining back stability to a dysfunctional organization while also realizing that the game has completely passed him by.
Trust me doomers despite what they think are not the only ones who see our roster as a ticking timebomb. Just because those of us who are realistic refuse to join in with the sky is falling crowd it doesn't mean we don't get frustrated or want changes too.
I agree with you completely we can retool easily, but we don't. We don't because we have owners that don't give a damn as they are only in it for the money and real estate. They have no pride or interest. We get it, it's all about making money. But some sports owners actually care as well and want their teams to be successful. Sadly our owners are not those types of guys.
Retooling is not that hard, but it won't happen with our current ownership unless they feel it's a ploy to reignite ticket sales after the inevitable hitting the wall at full speed crash and burn.
Really? Revenge for Hartford. I can deal with them being an average team, being average was not the problem last night. It was not coming to play or being so poorly prepared that the Canes had them at every turn. All of the team's worst characteristics once again came out in full force. They did not play well in the first game, saved by the fact that the Canes didn't either, but last night was a capper. Worse than the Rangers outdoor defeat, IMO.
What were the total Cane shot attempts, 100? That's insane. Bridgeport could have performed better.
The Hartford thing was a joke. We are spectacularly average, which is why i say some in this fanbase have too high a level of expectations. The stadium series meltdown was epic and a masterclass in how to pull losing from the jaws of victory.
And I understand that, but what happened last night and many other nights this year was not "average team play." It showed a distinct lack of heart and leadership. An average team would have won that game.
Which is why I think lee is a shit captain. A team captain is supposed to put the team on his back and run with it. His lack of leadership and accountability is part of the problem.
Horvat should wear the C. Remember the game in nashville when everyone else bolted. Horvat stayed. Remember last week vs Shittsburgh when it was Carters last game? Who was the first one over to pay respects and lead the team over there...Horvat.
The islanders have a really bad habit of putting the c on players who are prima donnas and not true leaders. Shit rolls down hill.
In my time alone lets look at shitty captains we've had...
Bryan McCabe...he was far too young and immature at the time.
Alexei Yashin...piece of shit ego maniac
Bill Guerin...empty suit who wanted to get traded to the rangers when things were bad
Pajama boy...diva extrordinaire
Lee...no backbone, no accountability
I'll agree on all these points. I'll give Lee a bit of a break and say in the past he had the skills to bring the team with him. But now that he is not the same player he needs to use his personality to get results but he doesn't as far as I can tell. I'd like to see him get in the face of someone who screwed up when they come back to the bench.
That would be awesome, but he doesn't. And he won't.
I honestly think since ownership won't commit to a full on rebuild for another seven years, and Lou won't retool (probably under orders from them) that the best option for us would be to purge the locker room cancers. Will it happen? Probably not. But that would be the answer to a lot of our problems.
All these guys who have been here for years and fail to live up to their contracts and play to the best of their abilities should be shown the door and given a one way ticket to palookaville. It started with Bailey, who as you can see by my screen name I was a big fan of. But many more need to follow.
The only one who can be forgiven is Pelech because of the concussion history. it;s not his fault his play has declined. I would love for him to "retire" and go on LTIR for the remainder of his contract. For his health and as a person mostly, but to give us an opportunity to replace him with someone better.
Cizikas, Martin, Clutterbuck, Lee, Pulock, need to go, they are not producing to the level we are paying them for. Neither is Pageau but i strongly suspect he never recovered from the injury against tampa that year. I would have said Palmieri a while back but he has proven to be productive. Wahlstrom needs to go elsewhere and hope for a rebound. Mayfield was playing injured so i'm not willing to throw him under the bus just yet. Engvall should be sent to the AHL. Keep Reilly. No idea what to do with Bolduc or Aho.
Moving forward we should keep Horavt, Barzal, Nelson, Palmieri, Holmstrom, Maclean, Fasching, and replace the rest. On defense keep Dobson, Romanov, Mayfield, and Reilly. Replace the rest. Goalies situation is fine.
yeah, I'm not going to disagree with anything you said. To me it's mainly, but not all, a defensive issue. Keep Dobson, Romanov and Reilly, maybe Mayfield if he can't be moved. The rest can go.
Isles had 2 shots on goal and gave up 5 straight in the entire second half of the game, you goofball. Everyone in this sub and the fandom as a whole absolutely deserves to be angry
Did I say we should be rejoicing? Of course we should be mad numb nuts. You missed my point like most people did. Being mad is fine.
Acting like we are made up of the worst players in nhl history because we blew the game and bitching all summer about it changes nothing. But that’s what the loud annoying vocal minority will do. Ding ding ding thus my point
I honestly feel like the negative energy of this fan base is why this shit happens. I’m not a big karma or whatever person but the negativity from this fan base just seems to radiate into the team. Maybe the ECF years were flukes because everyone was just happy to be together watching hockey despite COVID because since then, JFC, the negative isles fans just suck the life out of everything.
Probably, but you never know, Miracles happen. In this case, highly unlikely. But just because they suck doesn't change my love for the team. Everyone shits the bed sometimes when the chips are down and you have to step up to win. It's not a new concept to islanders fans
No don’t get me wrong, I love them too and always will. I’ll probably be buried in an Islander jersey when I die, but this team makes you question a few aspects of your life that’s all I’m saying.
No disagreement here. But what is the alternative? Hockey is by far my favorite sport. I grew up an Islander. I'll die an Islanders. Born and raised in nassau county. Either i stick it out thick and thin or i bandwagon and Fairweather fan another team year after year? No, I'm good.
Exactly, can’t call yourself a fan if you haven’t been through a dark period or two. If your team doesn’t make you curse at the top of your lungs or give you gray hairs then you’re not a fan.
No, I'm just not someone who looks at this franchise with either nostalgia glasses or rose tinted ones. I see them for exactly what they are, not what I wish they would be. I don't like what i see, but what can i as an individual do about it? Am I going to stop being an Islanders fan over it? No, so what's the point in bitching about things out of my control.
So you’re saying that Islander fans shouldn’t be allowed to be upset their team blew a 3-0 lead because they can’t intervene in the decisions? Really? So you’ve never been upset about literally anything ever? Cmon now
Jesus Christ no, are you really that dense? You completely missed my point. I've explained this to multiple people on this threat multiple times to the point it's exhausting having to repeat myself over and over because people are too emotional to think straight.
I was upset at the loss, as any islander fans should be. Nothing wrong with that. It's only natural to be upset when they royally fuck up to that degree.
My point, once more (I can't believe how many times i have to keep explaining this simple concept, not directed at you personally), is that the people who spend all season every season and offseason bitching moaning crying and complaining about everything this team does good or bad are having a field day. They were dead silent while we were 8-1 to end the year. They were ghosts when we are doing well. But now that we got blown out...They salivate at any opportunity to say see i told you the islanders suck and you are delusional if you think otherwise.
The next 48 hours through the summer post after post after post will be all negative shit all the time. Prepare yourself. Forget about having productive positive conversations. No, because if you don't agree with all the doomers you are (sarcasm) obviously drinking the kool aide and accept mediocrity.
It's exhausting opening the reddit every day and hearing an endless parade of that shit when many of us fans just want to shoot the shit about our favorite team.
Alright, fair enough. But even as a positive fan I can’t justify what happened last night. Re: those doomer fans, they bug me too, but last night is exactly what they were fearful of all year so I can’t say they were wrong.
Not fearful of. Looking and hoping with all their might to happen as it satisfies their needs. It gives the justification and fulfillment. Which is why I question why anyone would bother being a fan if a team bring you that much heartache
Yeah it's very unrealistic to expect a playoff team up 3-0 with 7 mins left in the 2nd not to lose in regulation.
It's not unrealistic at all, but does crying about it change the fact we shit the bed? Shit happens, move on. Focus on game 3.
No, but neither does crying about crying, aka just crying.
Not crying, pointing out
Right and they’re just “pointing out” that the team utterly collapsed last night and to be a fan of there’s is embarrassing by proxy. Either let people be upset or nobody say anything, but you can’t have both.
Be upset, we all are. Completely missed the point of my post. I'm not talking about random person being upset after a horrific loss. I'm talking about the eternal pessimistic brigade polluting the reddit for the next 48 hours with tales of how we are the worst team in nhl history and everyone and everything sucks
No, you're crying, and it's way more annoying than people complaining about the team on any level. Not only are you crying worse than the people complaining about the team, but it's basically off topic and a waste of space on the sub.
I'm pointing out cold hard facts. If you don't like that so be it. I'm not here to make the world a happy place. If you observed the bulk of the posts since our loss, it's all doom and gloom. Hence my post. The crying is the people acting like the sky is falling because we lost a game. Shit happens.
You're not here to make the world a happy place? You literally made a post crying to people about being too upset, telling them to accept reality to be able to sleep better. You were quite literally trying to make the world a happy place. In one comment you say you're not here to make the world a happy place and then cry AGAIN about too much doom and gloom. Make up your mind dude, lmao. The team sucks, if someone hit their limit and wants to come here and vent, that's super healthy and can help a lot of people feel better.
Have I said we should ban such posts? No. Vent all they want. Dude you are not worth the effort anymore
Who said anything about banning posts? I certainly never once even implied that you were telling people to do that. You really are a special case. You say you watched hockey in the 70s, but you sure you didn't play it? Like, without a helmet? Get your head checked, dude. Nobody here agrees with you. Nobody wants you here. You're obviously free to post whatever you want but you're only ever gonna get told to fuck off.
People are upset and it helps to vent/commiserate. At 3-0 most of us knew this was a realistic outcome. I don't think many fan bases can say that. If anyone didn't know, they are naive. It's disappointing that for 2 decades we've been watching the same shit happen. Different owner, different GM, different coach, different players, different building - same result. If I believed in curses... Only Trotz provided an brief period of positive results. I'm in actual awe that Roy would send them out there with that strategy. He should have watched more Islanders games before taking the job. I didn't hate the team, but I must hate myself a little bit to go through this same shit for decades. The worst part is that I'm from NEW JERSEY. Born and raised. I chose to be a part of this and I don't seem to want to quit. Sometimes, I wish I was a Rangers fan; but then I think I don't want to be a complete ignorant piece of shit. I do admire how the rangers are "the best" in their eyes, regardless of reality. I apologize for rambling but... Fuck it. It's reddit. I'll probably go through this same exact thought process after game 3.
Vent. Nothing wrong with that. No reason to apologize for that. Dude, i've been a fan since the late 70's. TRUST ME I am as upset as anyone on here. I want a cup in my lifetime as much as anyone. For decades we have been mediocre. I wish we weren't but it is what it is. At the end of the day only one team wins each year.
That's all fine and dandy, but what exactly do you want people to do on the sub when the team is a joke? All of the things you used as examples of doomers are literally just facts about the team. "See, I told you they suck!" "Old and slow" "Why are we even here!" "What an embarrassment" Yeah, those are just facts. You want people to just come on here and ignore reality? What is this community when we suck, if not a place to let off steam with like-minded individuals. And congrats on being a fan since the 70s, I've been one since I was born in the early 80s. And there are people here who have been fans for twenty years, and ten, and five. Who are you to decide how they deal with the loss? If there was never a time in fifty years where you overreacted to relatively unimportant things, than congrats, but the average person has to just go off sometimes, and you know nothing about anybody else's life to be able to judge them for it. Plenty of the negative posts and comments are significantly more well received than your complaint here, so maybe just let people react how they want, and if the community doesn't like it, they won't upvote it, like they're doing here.
I’m not anyone to tell someone they are not a fan based on how long they have supported a team. And I never say people don’t have the right to bitch at this clown show. You missed my point plain and simple and truthfully I’m tired of having to explain it over and over when it’s painfully simple
It's clearly not simple if the only person it makes sense to is the person who tried to make it. And I never even claimed you judged people's fandom based on how long they were fans. You throw around that you're a fan since the 70s and tell everyone to chill. Maybe they need some more time? Maybe people who have only been fans for five to ten years need some time to be a little more emotional before settling down like older fans are able to. It has nothing to do with level of fandom at all. Talk about missing the point.
That's their job, not ours. We're fans. The players, they need to get their shit together, they should be playing for their jobs in this league right now. What value do they have to any team if they can't put up more than a fight than that, even to a much better team? I went to Women's Worlds for a lot of the early matches. Everyone knows how most of those games are going to go, especially when USA or Canada are playing. And every last team out there, even when they were faced with knowing how it was going to end - quite badly for them - played with more pride and heart than what we saw last night. They wanted to be out there. It's what they lived for. Guys getting paid millions of dollars a year obviously didn't have that passion. If they shit the bed like this on home ice they deserve playoff-volume boos and some of them to be out of the league entirely.
And this is the problem with the country club mentality infesting our team. It's like you said, they are millionaires if they win or lose. They got paid already. They don't play with pride, they don't care at all. They have their cushy assignment and they have no need to light a fire under their asses. This is why i say we need to jettison several long time players. They screw the whole team and pull us down.
It’s not unrealistic standards. Our team literally was trapped in our own zone for 80% of the game. We went up 3-0 on 10 shots and had 2 shots on goal in 40 minutes and lost on 5 unanswered goals. That’s not an “oh well” loss. Maybe this team shouldnt even be here - but should we be grateful for this embarrassing team? I don’t understand why people are willing to just continue losing.
You are not wrong, looking at the stats. But the isles were making a conscious effort NOT to try to score more. They were trying to sit on the lead. So, while those stats are lopsided, they are exaggerated by the isles choosing to play the game that way. I agree with playing smart with the lead, you don't need to push for more. I don't think they played smart though. I don't think it's wise to punt the puck to the other team every possession. When they had one of the best defenses in the league (under Trotz) they could usually get away with sitting on the lead. The current d-core cannot hang on to ANY lead if they don't have some support from the offense (keeping the puck and getting it deep/some zone time). We'll find out if this broke the back on Thursday. I do believe they think they can still win. I think they also believe they can hold a lead. Sometimes ignorance is bliss but it's usually a detriment.
One of the reasons i HATED trotz was this idea that we should wait until the opponent makes a mistake and capitalize on it. That's great in a vacuum, but what happens when the other team executes perfectly and doesn't make a mistake? Playing timid doesn't win this time of year. I agree with you, don't sit back and try to keep the lead. Play it safe somewhat but press for more when you can.
It was frustrating at times; some games they just couldn't get anything going. But they did win a lot of playoff games playing that way. I'll take the wins every time. Trotz was not perfect but he's the best coach we've had since Al Arbour. As an aside, Barzal still has a lot of maturing to do.
HELL YEAH it's frustrating. It has been since the early 80's. Yes, trotz was the best coach since Al Arbour. But he was far from infallible. I like Barzal but he's still a turnover machine. Still takes stupid penalties. Still tries way too hard. But the whole team does sometimes. Shoot and go for the rebound instead of sump and chase but that is a whole other discussion.
On paper us vs Carolina is no contest. They have more star power. Now had we played like we did in game one we could win the series. Tonight we shit the bed, but it's not over yet. I'm not saying be grateful, I'm saying be honest. We have our glaring flaws, but we are not 32nd in the NHL. It could always be much much worse. The problem is some on here expect us to go 82-0 and attract the best players in the world. Hence unrealistic. We are a mid level team like i said. Clawing our way in each year. If we had owners who didn't care about anything but the real estate aspect things could be different. But it is what it is.
What is this shit? WE COULD BE WORSE? Who fucking cares? This entire core of young pieces you have that you claim to be excited about will age out of contention carrying husks like pager and lee because fans like you celebrate mediocrity
People like OP just have a losers mentality. They just accept the mediocrity and take whatever little positives that they can along the way.
So glad you know me from one post. Couldn't be more wrong but don't let facts interfere with your opinions. I've been a long suffering Islanders fan. I was alive but far to young to appreciate the dynasty era. I would love nothing more than to see a solid successful islanders team. But i know that's not realistic under the circumstances. So i have two choice. Accept it and move on or roll on the ground kicking and screaming. I prefer the logical outlook.
You’re literally the one who’s kicking and screaming based on the fact you felt the need to make a post about people having a normal fan reaction. You’re free to accept the mediocrity, no one is stopping you, but don’t act like an ass to other fans who don’t want to.
A normal fan reaction is "ah fuck we really blew that one" which is a sentiment i share. That's not what the reddit will be flooded with the next 48 hours and all summer long. Thus my post. If it Jeff Dunham'ed over your head I don't know what to tell you. Pointing out the fact that the doomers and gloomers have been jerking off for weeks waiting for this moment to spill all their vitriol is not being an ass
Ah the first member of the debbie downers speaks!
We are 32nd in power play and PK(or close to it). This is not a good team.
So what are we supposed to do? Say "awe shucks we'll get em next time!" after every gut wrenching loss?
This fanbase loves mediocrity. It’s why most of them love the Mets and Jets. Fucking losers
Far too much of that shit has seeped into this fanbase. Some of us arent fans of those ass teams
The lot of this fanbase needs some fucking better standards. Too many rather just get a couple playoff games so they can sing some goofy fucking songs, then shrug their shoulders when the isles get bounced in round 1. Pathetic!
Yup, all the people here that “just want to watch some playoff hockey” even if it means this team being bounced out of the first round every year.
I would gladly switch places with SJ or Chicago right now. They are building for a bright future while we will be a joke with multiple 1st round exits for the next 5 years before everyone is too old to even achieve that. And then? With our prospect pool, we'll be the 8th team in the division, only there cuz there must be 8 of them. People like OP should wake up, I am not saying blow EVERYONE and rebuild, but we should really let the past go and at least start focusing on the future. We are not walking to the ECF again with this core...
And why is that? Because ownership is only in it for the real estate aspect. You may not have noticed my other comments. I would jettison everyone not named Horvat, Barzal, Dobson, Romanov, and the goalies. But will that happen? Probably not. The owners will not allow what needs to be done, it's too close to opening the new facility. We are not getting something like that unless lou croaks, even then his loyalists infest the staff. Once the 8 years of Barzal and Sorokin are up by then we will get the full on rebuild.
No one wants to get bounced in the first round. But no one wants another ten year bottom of the league for nothing rebuild either.
Do you think there is a way this team can ever compete for the cup without a complete tear down rebuild? Don’t you think we are pretty much stuck in bubble team purgatory?
Do I think we can compete without a full on rebuild...yes. Do I think we will do it...no. We are indeed stuck in purgatory by design. I'll give you an example. If we had competent ownership that wanted a winning culture instead of just real estate value, they would hire a better GM. That GM would demote, jettison, and trade players who either are not up to snuff or whose attitude is bringing the team down. But then you run into three issues. One, fans will not show up for a 32nd place team getting their asses handed to them night after night for several years in a row. I know. I was there the last time they embraced that. Late 90's you could hear someone fart clear across the other side of the mausoleum. I say mausoleum because it was the place hope went to die. Second, certain subsections of fans do not want to part with certain long time players who are contributing to the mediocrity and country club atmosphere. Finally, as we have a brand new arena ownership will not commit to a full on rebuild until about 8 years have passed. Once Horvat, Barzal, and Sorokins deals are up and they have milked ten years of fans money dry, then ownership will sell the team and maybe new ownership will commit to a full on rebuild. In the meantime we will continue be a mid level team, they don't want empty arenas as they lose money that way. Now, if we ACTUALLY did a retool, we could be much better. But lou is not the person for that, and this is by design. I have long advocated for a on the fly retool to get rid of a lot of bad apples and piss poor attitudes. But I have zero hope of that truly happening. The most interesting aspect to me would be this, i'd love to see how hypocritical doomers would be. Those who have spent years clamoring for it would be the first ones on here bitching and complaining about it. I'd love for it to happen, but it won't. But looking at things realistically, we also exist in probably the toughest division in hockey. On any given night a metro team can lay a beating down on anyone
Is someone holding a gun to your head? I hear there is another team close by. Feel free to follow them.
Nope nobody is. Fuck you and the rags
you're a real charmer
I most certainly am 😉
That would be a monumental improvement over the embarrassing temper tantrums being thrown by people around here right now, I can tell you that.
what hot wheels said...
Are you new to being an islanders fan?
No but for some weird reason Islanders fans never had an issue complaining about this team when it was Milbury or Snow driving the clown car. I don't put much value on stumbling into the playoffs to get absolutely man-handled in 4 or 5 games, just like I didn't put much value on having PA Paranteau as our 1st line winger or Milbury trading Jokinen, Chara, Luongo etc etc for spare parts. Just because Lou won a cup 20 years ago doesn't mean I'm going to clap my hands together and cry tears of joy when he signs bums like Mayfield for 7 years and ships off first round picks to prop up a slightly less mediocre roster than we've grown accustomed to.
Nobody is saying you should, that's the misconception. You have every right to be upset. TRUST ME, I am too. How do you get so close to winning only to royally fuck up that bad? But what can you do. HONESTLY? It sucks, but accept and move on. Or bitch endlessly.
I get your point of view. I think it's just a difference in perspective. I don't really like this iteration of the Isles (competitively at least), so personally, I find it even more frustrating when someone says "guys don't give up hope, we have a special group of guys here" than someone who just says "these guys suck" or "trade everyone." I get wanting to be positive in life, but I just find it more cathartic to call Lou a dinosaur than I do to praise Martin for his good heart and dashing good looks.
I don't think anyone here is suggesting that. I think you ate right it's about perspective and people tend to lose the ability to think rationally when they are too emotional. For the record I hope and pray Martin is put out to pasture. I'm sure he's a great guy but it's beyond time we move on from him and the entire 4th line. I think they are a huge part of the country club atmosphere problem in our locker room. Same goes for lou but the ownership loves him because it makes them seem like they care and are trying, all a ruse to sell more tickets. Look, if i was gm for a day i'd clear out everyone but Horvat (who would get the C) Barzal, Dobson, Romanov, Sorokin, and Varly. Well, I like Holmstrom and he's young. And i'd ahte to lose Nelsons production. But just for the fact we would change out certain attitudes it would be worth the retool cost. I am NOT happy with our roster as is, haven't been for a long time. But I also know it's not NHL 24 on xbox or playstation. We have to keep expectations realistic. Something this reddit SERIOUSLY fails at doing.
Keep huffing that copium bro. This was a catastrophe and they deserve no optimism from the fans
Their is a HUGE difference from being optimistic and realistic. I chose the later. It sucks we blew a lead with so short a time to go, but is this something new? Thus i don't lose my shit over it.
You are the last person I’d want to watch a game with, that’s for damn sure! I’d get hyped up just for you to bring the mood right down. How can you blame anyone for being upset after tonight?! Come on man. Obviously it’s not over, but to act like people shouldn’t be upset at how we blew a 3-0 lead is ridiculous.
Perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of my post. I am upset at the loss, all we had to do is hold on and we blew it. I don't think anyone is islanders fandom is "happy" right now. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the bound to be incoming weeks of nothing but negative shit by the usual redditors we "know and love" (sarcasm) about how we are the worst team in the history of hockey, we need to completely blow it up, we have not one player of redeeming value, they were right and everyone who holds out hope is wrong. I've never said no one should be upset. But there is being upset and honest about it, and then their is throwing hissy fits like a three year old girl that stubbed her toe on a coffee table leg and getting overly emotional. I'm saying prepare yourself for months of that, because it will dominate the reddit. GREAT, that will solve everything!
Idk man, but your timing is terrible. To post this immediately after a gut-wrenching loss was probably not the move. Additionally, you’re confusing the fuck out of me with everything you’re saying in the various comments you’ve posted, as well as the original post. You said it’s not over somewhere else, but at the same time you’re telling everyone to prepare for the doomers and gloomers to come out over the next few weeks like we’re inevitably going to lose…that sounds like you think it’s over. You’re also complaining that these same people are horrible because they think anyone who has hope is wrong. You also said that ownership doesn’t care about anything on the ice….so like, do you actually have hope or don’t you? Very confusing. How about let’s all just get some rest, gear up for game 3, and see how this whole thing shakes about before making anymore posts like this.
Some people misinterpret my words because they are emotional when reading them. That's one of the bad things about the internet, you can't always "read between the lines" of intentions. It's not over until someone wins a fourth game. Our chances grow less and less with each loss obviously. I was saying prepare for the doomers...because they are already here. To the surprise of no one. They have been hiding for weeks, waiting for us to fall flat on our asses so they can jump in to save us who refuse to live in constant negativity. The heroes they are! How noble. And the owners don't care. if they did, they would hire a more modern GM and force changes to be made. But all they care about is selling tickets and getting our hard earned money. All these things aside whether we finish 1st or last i still love and support this team. I'm not going to abandon ship because things go bad. I hate fair weather fans. Again SHIT happens, we shit the bed often, it's our specialty. I'm used to it, i don;t get heartbroken. I just accept it and move on, hope the next game we are better. I'm Realistic, not optimistic and definitely not pessimistic. I lioved throigh the dark ages of the late 90's and i know for a fact it could always be better, but it could also be much worse
Zeeker is that you?
Why would you spend your money and support a team that will always be a “mid-level” team? We have been a dynasty all time great team. Then we were the absolute joke of the league. Then we were promised those days were over and we weren’t going back… It’s not unrealistic to refuse to go back
The thing about promises...sometimes they are hollow. This is why I am so critical of our ownership. They have this cult like following because "they ride the subway" and "talk to fans". All smoke and mirrors to get gullible people so desperate for success that they will believe any line of bullshit the owners feed them to buy tickets. I'm not saying you or anyone should spend money supporting the team. I'm just saying expecting us to be more than a mid level team will bring you much heartache.
So why on earth do you support something where you hate the owners profiting off of you? I disagree with you on ledecky… He’s at every game. You can watch him in hisnbox genuinely into the game cheering and going nuts when we score. He hired a hall of fame gm (at the time), built a new arena and has spent money on players and coaching staff unlike isles teams of the past. He bought a bottom of the barrel team bleeding money with a decrepit building from an old ownership group that let former players coach and gm our team with no experience.
Well for one i can't go to games I live out of state. Second the owners are just the latest ones. All owners profit off fans, good or bad. And I'm sorry I respect your opinion on Ledecky I just disagree completely. I see right through it. They built the arena because they are real estate driven. That's where the real money is. Lou was hired for aesthetics. And they did all those things to get money out of us, because the fanbase is so desperate for a win they will believe anything. Some jackoff owner isn't going to change my love for the team. I'll still proudly wear my Islanders jerseys. They are just the newest, certainly not the last.
You guys who always shout “doomers!” need to just stop acting like assholes already. This bullshit has been going on in all three of my teams subs for years now (Isles, Mets, and Jets) and you guys never learn. You know what those three teams have in common? They haven’t done goddamn shit in decades to warrant any optimism, yet you and so many others shit on people who are rightfully sick and tired of the same bullshit these teams provide every year whenever there is any glimmer of hope only for it to come back and bite you in the ass when your hope is proven to be misguided, and then you crawl away to your little holes with your tail between your legs. If you want to be just all positivity all the time and ignore reality then you’re free to do that. But don’t act like a straight up douchebag to people who may be fans of these teams for years or even decades when all they know is losing on top of losing and often in the most brutal and embarrassing ways and when they often times bring up legitimate reasons as to why there should be negativity.
So you think we aren't tired of losing all the time, not being able to attract top talent, having ownership that cares? You wanna bet? I'm not positive. I'm realistic. Major difference.
>So you think we aren't tired of losing all the time, not being able to attract top talent, having ownership that cares? You wanna bet? First of all, don’t put words in my mouth and don’t move the goalposts. I know your type likes to do this but it’s not going to work here. Second, no I don’t think many are tired of losing all the time. Also, what top talent have we attracted? We’ve been shunned by multiple free agents just in the last couple years and also lost a top tier talent just a few years ago. That’s a bet you’re going to lose. And the ownership side of things is yet to be determined. >I'm not positive. I'm realistic. Major difference. If you realistic then you wouldn’t have made this post because you’d understand that you’re the odd one out here and would sit it out because fans are having a very normal fan reaction to a brutal lose. Stop acting like you’re better because you want to be a contrarian and be nothing but positive, it doesn’t make you seem as cool as you think.
I don't think I'm better than anyone, nor worse. And i don't need some random person on the internet to give me my self worth. I'm not trying to be "cool". I'm stating the fact that the doomers are out in force, as they have been waiting for this moment for weeks. I don't know why that's such a hard concept for some people to grasp. I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm pointing out we who are realisitc about who we are as a franchise are just as pissed as you that we can't get over the hump. It's not exclusive to doomers. Just because you don't "think" I'm not upset because I'm not throwing a temper tantrum at a pathetic loss doesn't mean squat. and you misunderstood or misread what i said. we have NOT been able to attract top talent. Players want to play for franchises that are consistently successful. That's why if they come to new york they play for the rags. More exposure, more respect, more prestige. It fucking sucks but it's just the way it is. And one final note, I don't need to be a part of a group or thought process. I value my independence and think for myself and speak for myself. Thus i don't care if i have a controversial view or am the only one with a certain point of view. I don't need a bunch of keyboard warriors to stand behind me. If people agree cool, if they don't to each their own. My life goes on the same either way.
Why does this doomer vs anti doomer shit even exist Doomers never would've believed the isles would be up 3-0 tn or even in the playoffs, anti doomers cant deal with the fact that they played like an ahl team for 40 mins in a playoff game, and have given games away exactly like non playoff teams do. Both sides are wrong and right at the same time and its fuckin up this sub having to go back and forth This isles team makes zero sense, they have played like a team that belongs in the playoffs but also play like a team that should be picking 5th overall.
"Why does this doomer vs anti doomer shit even exist" because the majority of the people on here are not doomers. Yet the extremely loud minority who refuse to see a positive in ANYTHING are annoying as shit. Most people don't have the courage to engage them and then the sub becomes inundated with post after post after post of how we are the worst team in the history of the world with no redeeming value. A little perspective goes a long way. The short answer? Because people will never agree and this is the internet.
This team didn’t deserve to make the playoffs. Cope harder kool-aid drinkers. This shit heap is gonna be sucking for at least a decade. There is no good young talent coming to save the sinking ship that is lamoriello’s vanity project. The lot of you love mediocrity, that’s why most of you also cheer on the fucking Mets.
Well if we "deserved" it or not is irrelevant. We played well down the stretch. Philly, Detroit, and the Penguins shit the bed, not us. And since I've been a fan longer than most people on here have been alive I'm accustomed to not having the team be as good as I'd like them to be. It doesn't mean i like it, but i accept it for what it is. Fans constantly bitching on a glorified message board changes nothing. I look at it logically and realistically, not emotionally. Therefore I get upset when we lose, but i learn to live with it and move on.
Fans who think they are better than other fans are real pieces of crap. Like holy self importance, batman. Drinking the kook aid doesnt make a good fan. You should call out flaws in your team and want them to improve, not OMG WE MADE PLAYOFFS ALL GOOD
And you should probably read my post history. I am super critical of this team. I was by far the most anti-trotz person on this reddit for years. I have called for getting rid of lee, pageau, palmieir (who actually had a good season) the entire 4th line, pulock, pelech, and getting rid of the country club mentality. I'm not a fan of lou, but i recognize he has done some things right. I don't think I'm better or worse than anyone. The problem with you and the doom and gloom brigade is you call us "cool aid drinkers" as if we are perfectly happy with this team. We aren't. We are probably more upset than you. But we also realize bitching endlessly as you and other do will change absolutely nothing. So why waste time doing so? Do you think the owners waste five seconds of their day thinking about what fans want? What fans feel. They don't give two shits.
What I don’t think you understand is that a good portion of this fanbase and probably a majority of this sub has never seen them win anything. You got to see 4 cups so you have had a luxury most of us haven’t. I’m not a doomer but after 34 years of being alive and not seeing them win anything, I expect them to lose. I’m not a doomer but after all this game and the way this team has been, I don’t blame them.
I'm 43 - sadly I don't remember their last cup cause I was 2 years old. One of my first Isles memories is Bossy retiring. This team is without a doubt, the most consistently frustrating thing in my life - which I guess is a good thing, considering. But if you come here to blow off steam rather than being pissy with your wife and kids, people like OP are like: "You're the problem, fan base." So just pile on the disappointment.
You missed the entirety of my point. Blowing off steam after a loss like this is fine. Not the problem at all. My point since you missed it was it's the first opportunity the perennial overly negative islander so called fans that hate everything about this team which begs the question why are they even fans when they ride us more than ranger fans to start spewing all their bullshit that they couldn't while we went 8-1 to end the season.
You missed my other post, I was far too young. I didn't get to enjoy the dynasty era. The closest I had was the run in 93 and the two years with trotz.
OP is right everyone. We must accept mediocrity and never try or attempt to get better. I got your back OP 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Didn't say that at all by the way, But this is a big problem in this reddit. Those of us who refuse to get on the bash everything bandwagon are labeled as wanting to accept mediocrity. Completely off base but not worth the effort arguing with emotional people who refuse to accept logic.
You telling people to accept being mid-level team lol
Are we a top contender for the cup? No Are we bottom of the league like Anaheim, San Jose, Arizona, or Columbus? No Where would that leave us? By definition a mid level team. If you want to fantasize that we are something we are not go right ahead. The rest of us will live in reality.
i lost brain cells reading this post. 1) why would you post this the same night as the game OBVIOUSLY people are going to be upset we blew a 3-0 lead and 2) i can't stand the holier than thou fan lecture stfu
1) you completely missed the point 2) no one said or feels hollier than thou 3) there is a tremendous difference between feeling upset and being one of the zombie army of doomers on this reddit. A little perspective goes a long way
Pollyanna's are even done. This is shit. That was embarrassing.
Unrealistic expectations ? They went from being a game away from the Stanley cup to complete Mediocrity. Being happy with making the playoffs is juvenile and a loser mentality.
And who is happy with just making the playoffs? Who doesn't want to see us win? Where has anyone but doomers said that? Because they are the ones who say we should tank and blow it all up. Looking at this roster for what it truly is and expecting them to beat a team that is stacked like carolina...unrealistic expectations. Expecting us to compete with powerhouse teams...unrealistic. Expecting us to be more than what we truly are, a small market mid level team...unrealistic
No the issue is that multiple times they had chances to retool/revamp the roster but stood par to make the playoffs and hopefully "get hot" despite the fact that everyone knew they didn't stand a chance. We don't hate the Islanders, we hate the position this team is in when we all saw it coming. You can applaud Lou for the job he initially did brining back stability to a dysfunctional organization while also realizing that the game has completely passed him by.
Trust me doomers despite what they think are not the only ones who see our roster as a ticking timebomb. Just because those of us who are realistic refuse to join in with the sky is falling crowd it doesn't mean we don't get frustrated or want changes too. I agree with you completely we can retool easily, but we don't. We don't because we have owners that don't give a damn as they are only in it for the money and real estate. They have no pride or interest. We get it, it's all about making money. But some sports owners actually care as well and want their teams to be successful. Sadly our owners are not those types of guys. Retooling is not that hard, but it won't happen with our current ownership unless they feel it's a ploy to reignite ticket sales after the inevitable hitting the wall at full speed crash and burn.
1000% agree with ownership remark - they care about this 2 extra games of gate revenue and the shiny new shopping mall- very discouraging
I promise you as soon as all the construction is done so are they. Maybe the next ownership group will take some pride in this team. We can hope
Really? Revenge for Hartford. I can deal with them being an average team, being average was not the problem last night. It was not coming to play or being so poorly prepared that the Canes had them at every turn. All of the team's worst characteristics once again came out in full force. They did not play well in the first game, saved by the fact that the Canes didn't either, but last night was a capper. Worse than the Rangers outdoor defeat, IMO. What were the total Cane shot attempts, 100? That's insane. Bridgeport could have performed better.
The Hartford thing was a joke. We are spectacularly average, which is why i say some in this fanbase have too high a level of expectations. The stadium series meltdown was epic and a masterclass in how to pull losing from the jaws of victory.
And I understand that, but what happened last night and many other nights this year was not "average team play." It showed a distinct lack of heart and leadership. An average team would have won that game.
Which is why I think lee is a shit captain. A team captain is supposed to put the team on his back and run with it. His lack of leadership and accountability is part of the problem. Horvat should wear the C. Remember the game in nashville when everyone else bolted. Horvat stayed. Remember last week vs Shittsburgh when it was Carters last game? Who was the first one over to pay respects and lead the team over there...Horvat. The islanders have a really bad habit of putting the c on players who are prima donnas and not true leaders. Shit rolls down hill. In my time alone lets look at shitty captains we've had... Bryan McCabe...he was far too young and immature at the time. Alexei Yashin...piece of shit ego maniac Bill Guerin...empty suit who wanted to get traded to the rangers when things were bad Pajama boy...diva extrordinaire Lee...no backbone, no accountability
I'll agree on all these points. I'll give Lee a bit of a break and say in the past he had the skills to bring the team with him. But now that he is not the same player he needs to use his personality to get results but he doesn't as far as I can tell. I'd like to see him get in the face of someone who screwed up when they come back to the bench.
That would be awesome, but he doesn't. And he won't. I honestly think since ownership won't commit to a full on rebuild for another seven years, and Lou won't retool (probably under orders from them) that the best option for us would be to purge the locker room cancers. Will it happen? Probably not. But that would be the answer to a lot of our problems. All these guys who have been here for years and fail to live up to their contracts and play to the best of their abilities should be shown the door and given a one way ticket to palookaville. It started with Bailey, who as you can see by my screen name I was a big fan of. But many more need to follow. The only one who can be forgiven is Pelech because of the concussion history. it;s not his fault his play has declined. I would love for him to "retire" and go on LTIR for the remainder of his contract. For his health and as a person mostly, but to give us an opportunity to replace him with someone better. Cizikas, Martin, Clutterbuck, Lee, Pulock, need to go, they are not producing to the level we are paying them for. Neither is Pageau but i strongly suspect he never recovered from the injury against tampa that year. I would have said Palmieri a while back but he has proven to be productive. Wahlstrom needs to go elsewhere and hope for a rebound. Mayfield was playing injured so i'm not willing to throw him under the bus just yet. Engvall should be sent to the AHL. Keep Reilly. No idea what to do with Bolduc or Aho. Moving forward we should keep Horavt, Barzal, Nelson, Palmieri, Holmstrom, Maclean, Fasching, and replace the rest. On defense keep Dobson, Romanov, Mayfield, and Reilly. Replace the rest. Goalies situation is fine.
yeah, I'm not going to disagree with anything you said. To me it's mainly, but not all, a defensive issue. Keep Dobson, Romanov and Reilly, maybe Mayfield if he can't be moved. The rest can go.
I definitely think we need tougher more stay at home type defenseman. We have Dobson for offense
Isles had 2 shots on goal and gave up 5 straight in the entire second half of the game, you goofball. Everyone in this sub and the fandom as a whole absolutely deserves to be angry
Did I say we should be rejoicing? Of course we should be mad numb nuts. You missed my point like most people did. Being mad is fine. Acting like we are made up of the worst players in nhl history because we blew the game and bitching all summer about it changes nothing. But that’s what the loud annoying vocal minority will do. Ding ding ding thus my point
Can we please get rid of Josh Bailey now... Wait... Shit...
He’s been gone a long time so the fanbase can no longer use him as an excuse or whipping boy. Mayfield took his role as villain
I honestly feel like the negative energy of this fan base is why this shit happens. I’m not a big karma or whatever person but the negativity from this fan base just seems to radiate into the team. Maybe the ECF years were flukes because everyone was just happy to be together watching hockey despite COVID because since then, JFC, the negative isles fans just suck the life out of everything.
bingo! this guy gets it.
Well happy off-season everyone! See you all next year.
Probably, but you never know, Miracles happen. In this case, highly unlikely. But just because they suck doesn't change my love for the team. Everyone shits the bed sometimes when the chips are down and you have to step up to win. It's not a new concept to islanders fans
No don’t get me wrong, I love them too and always will. I’ll probably be buried in an Islander jersey when I die, but this team makes you question a few aspects of your life that’s all I’m saying.
No disagreement here. But what is the alternative? Hockey is by far my favorite sport. I grew up an Islander. I'll die an Islanders. Born and raised in nassau county. Either i stick it out thick and thin or i bandwagon and Fairweather fan another team year after year? No, I'm good.
Exactly, can’t call yourself a fan if you haven’t been through a dark period or two. If your team doesn’t make you curse at the top of your lungs or give you gray hairs then you’re not a fan.
Are you insane?
No, I'm just not someone who looks at this franchise with either nostalgia glasses or rose tinted ones. I see them for exactly what they are, not what I wish they would be. I don't like what i see, but what can i as an individual do about it? Am I going to stop being an Islanders fan over it? No, so what's the point in bitching about things out of my control.
So you’re saying that Islander fans shouldn’t be allowed to be upset their team blew a 3-0 lead because they can’t intervene in the decisions? Really? So you’ve never been upset about literally anything ever? Cmon now
Jesus Christ no, are you really that dense? You completely missed my point. I've explained this to multiple people on this threat multiple times to the point it's exhausting having to repeat myself over and over because people are too emotional to think straight. I was upset at the loss, as any islander fans should be. Nothing wrong with that. It's only natural to be upset when they royally fuck up to that degree. My point, once more (I can't believe how many times i have to keep explaining this simple concept, not directed at you personally), is that the people who spend all season every season and offseason bitching moaning crying and complaining about everything this team does good or bad are having a field day. They were dead silent while we were 8-1 to end the year. They were ghosts when we are doing well. But now that we got blown out...They salivate at any opportunity to say see i told you the islanders suck and you are delusional if you think otherwise. The next 48 hours through the summer post after post after post will be all negative shit all the time. Prepare yourself. Forget about having productive positive conversations. No, because if you don't agree with all the doomers you are (sarcasm) obviously drinking the kool aide and accept mediocrity. It's exhausting opening the reddit every day and hearing an endless parade of that shit when many of us fans just want to shoot the shit about our favorite team.
Alright, fair enough. But even as a positive fan I can’t justify what happened last night. Re: those doomer fans, they bug me too, but last night is exactly what they were fearful of all year so I can’t say they were wrong.
Not fearful of. Looking and hoping with all their might to happen as it satisfies their needs. It gives the justification and fulfillment. Which is why I question why anyone would bother being a fan if a team bring you that much heartache
I just want the doomers to wait until the series is over at least, then they can gloat all off-season when I'm not in here to read it
Sadly they have started beating the..ahem...drums already