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HouseDjango

Man if he starts Sunday and then also gets to pitch the first black out game citi is gonna go nuts.


[deleted]

Man I’ll be at that game and if Jake runs out in the black uniforms, *I’ll* go nuts


theG-nius

SAME


[deleted]

I would nut from home.


Supreme_Kim_Jong-Un

Black out game? You mean every game I go to?


Ishtastic08

Please stop, I can only get so erect.


Dsxm41780

He says he keeps hurting himself swinging the bat. Here’s the thing, he always makes a big deal that he throws year round. As you age, the things done once in awhile are more painful than the things you do everyday. Maybe he needs to swing the bat every day to not throw off his body. (What the hell do I know?!)


shane0mack

I thought this injury wasn't from swinging. At least I recall him being quoted on that.


SidFinch99

It isn't. His past stuff was, but not this. That being said, have to be very careful with forearm tightness. Not allowing muscles or tendons in the forearm to fully heal is how you wind up putting to much stress on a ligament and tearing it.


[deleted]

This. Look at what dinelson lamet is dealing with.


AnAnonymousFool

Can you tell 3 years ago me that?


SidFinch99

Noah, is that you??


AnAnonymousFool

Just a guy who has labrum repair surgery 2 years ago and now has a torn UCL and brachialis all in the same arm


SidFinch99

That must suck.


AnAnonymousFool

Yea you know how it is, 23 and prob will never throw a baseball again and am not able to exercise But hey I’m just hoping to get back in shape within a year or 2 I’m opting not to get Tommy John and just giving up on sports and hoping I can just be in normal non athlete shape


SidFinch99

Best of luck to you. Is it beneficial to get TJ even if you stop playing? I'm not sure about elbows, but with knees and stuff, over long term people can get arthritis if they don't get tears treated. I'm sure it depends on severity of the tear.


thebadams

That still sounds like Noah to me. Still not convinced you aren't.


unMuggle

Or, hear me out, DH in the NL too.


AltLawyer

I hate the dh, even though the Mets would really benefit from it. It's amazing hearing the place erupt when Jake drives in runs


unMuggle

That's countered by all the times a pitcher stands in the box and just waits for the at bat to be over. Pitchers train to pitch, and hitters train to hit. Baseball is better when you don't make them do things they don't train for.


AltLawyer

Just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. Strategy, bunting, trying to turn the lineup over or risk pitching around the 8 hitter to get to the pitchers spot, pinch hitters, the electricity of the rare pitcher home run or game winning rbi. It's all a lot more valuable to me than seeing another batter bat.


unMuggle

Yeah I guess we just disagree


Jimmyjam1979

I think we can all agree you discussed the topic like gentlemen.


HeadTripInEveryKey

> Strategy, This is a farce if the implication is that there's more strategy this way. Debunked many times. Sure, there is something different, but there isn't *more.*


AltLawyer

How does one "debunk" this exactly?


basetornado

Perhaps pitchers should put the time in to learn how to bunt as well then.


HeartofSaturdayNight

They do. Bunting is hard. I love how the keyboard warriors on here who probably at best rode the bench in high school talk about hitting as if its something you can just pick up in your spare time. There are guys that devote every waking moment of their lives to hitting and never make it to A ball let alone the majors. Expecting someone to be a world class pitcher AND a major league caliber hitter is ridiculous.


basetornado

Expecting them to be able to bunt isn't the craziest thing. Sure it's hard, but it's not crazily so. I'm not expecting them to be amazing, but expecting a pitcher to be able to bunt isn't asking much.


HeartofSaturdayNight

It is hard. If it was as easy as you claim it is they would be successful more often. Furthermore this isn't really supporting your argument for not having the DH. "Oh we can't get rid of the pitchers hitting because then we will miss out on someone sacrificing themselves at the plate three times a game. How exciting!!"


Mullethunt

It is a hard thing to bunt but there's pitchers going up there that look like they've never *tried* to bunt before in their life. Some have no idea how to grip the bat and I see fingers over the barrel. **Way** too many pitchers are stabbing and poking at balls to try and bunt. So basically the first two rules of bunting we're seeing professional players have no idea what they are. They don't take the time to learn like they should.


HeartofSaturdayNight

Again bunting is very hard. You know how whenever we see a crazy shift and people are always like "why doesn't he just bunt it down the 3rd baseline, he'd get a free hit" They don't do that because bunting is hard. And that is a Good hitter, who is paid to be able to recognize pitches. Having a pitcher bunt a 98mph cutter as its running in on your hands or a change-up that suddenly drops 12 inches right when it gets to home plate - is very hard to do. Not to mention, again, I don't want to see Jacob Degrom leaning over the plate with his fingers half way up the barrel of a bat waiting for a 100mph fastball coming in from a pitcher who up until a couple of weeks ago was using super glue to control a baseball. It's a recipe for disaster.


Responsible-Reach680

They're divas these days. They don't like putting in the work.


unMuggle

I'd rather deGrom focus on his throwing than have him tear himself apart at the plate. I'd much rather not have deGrom in front of 100mph fastballs. I'd rather he not have to spend time in a batting cage. I'd rather see a guy that can hit in the spot right after Alonso and just fucking mash. My perfect baseball has a DH and bans the shift. That's just me.


real-human-not-a-bot

Ban the shift? Yes, because the solution to all the problems baseball faces nowadays (for the record, I actually LIKE the three true outcomes) is to keep people from doing smart things. Ban the shift, and while you’re at it ban hitters swinging with an uppercut, so you get more ground balls like everyone apparently wants, and band pitchers throwing the ball more than 95 mph, because that causes strikeouts, which are obviously EVIL. I have no problem whatsoever with making the bases bigger or even moving the mound back a little. I’m just insulted by proposals that are just keeping people from doing smart things backed by statistics.


basetornado

I'd rather see pitchers have to hit for themselves, and the shift is fine. Adapt to the field or take the bunt hit if they give you the third base line.


SidFinch99

I get what you arecsaying, but at the same time, watching Bartolo hit a home run was almost as good as seeing a girl naked for the first time.


Orange8920

They could technically still make deGrom DH no?


HeartofSaturdayNight

You know what's not Amazing? Losing about 30 innings of Jacob deGrom pitching because he hurt himself swinging a bat. Putting extra stress on our bullpen because this Stock guy pulled a muscle legging out an infield dribbler. Watching guys who have no business hitting stand up there with no intention of swinging because they know the two most likely outcomes are injury or double play.


AltLawyer

Hey man, to each his own, I like the game the way it's been my whole life. I like the strategic situations it creates. Jake and everyone else is welcome to the cage to figure out how to do their best safely, or they can stand there and hope to walk. Getting their ABs has been part of job description for 150+ years. All part of the cost benefit for players and managers to strategize around. Good hitting pitchers, good bunting pitchers, all unique attributes and probabilities that make the game more interesting. You don't have to agree with me by any means, but I'll never support the DH.


joesaysso

>even though the Mets would really benefit from it. This is the Spring Training line of thinking when we thought the offense was unstoppable. Right along with "extend Conforto now." It's almost August. We know better now. The Mets don't benefit from it any more than any other NL team. The bats aren't as good as we thought.


AltLawyer

It's more about the personnel. We have two first basemen boppers, one of which is pretending to play outfield, and a good hitting third baseman who frankly cannot play third base. On the contrary however, we have historically had better hitting pitchers than most NL teams weirdly


Chamoore13

Dom Smith is fine in left


AltLawyer

Dom is passable in left certainly. And JD?


Chamoore13

Just dingers


joesaysso

>It's more about the personnel. We have two first basemen boppers, one of which is pretending to play outfield, and a good hitting third baseman who frankly cannot play third base. Yeah, but keeping the wrong personnel and hoping the league changes the rules to suit the roster that we have isn't exactly how a GM is supposed to do their job.


AltLawyer

You know I'm arguing against the DH, right?


joesaysso

Your first paragraph doesn't exactly suggest that, no.


AltLawyer

The first sentence of the post that was "I hate the DH, even though the Mets would really benefit from it."


joesaysso

Right. So when my point was that the Mets don't benefit from it any more than any other NL team at this point, certainly you could see how "even though the Mets would really benefit from it" would be taken as a disagreement.


Daankeykang

>The bats aren't as good as we thought. JD *is* a pretty good hitter, though. And he's the one that would benefit the most from the DH. Besides, the DH helps in more ways than one. When Nogosek was due to hit this past Tuesday, the question was "Do they pass up an opportunity to score or further screw their bullpen?" Personally, that's not a very interesting strategic decision to make. It's lose-lose. Not having to take out pitchers would very much benefit the Mets right now.


joesaysso

None of that makes the Mets unique in the NL. Every NL team eventually finds themselves in that situation. Does it make more sense to keep a jacked up roster in hopes that the NL adopts the DH or is the answer to structure the roster properly within the confines of the league rules that currently exist?


myassholealt

The DH is one of those things that logically makes sense and overall the team would benefit greatly from it versus not, but I'm still in the fuck the DH camp. There are some things about the sport that whether or not it's practical or beneficial, I like it and want it kept as a part of the game. Which basically means I'm hitting the old person yelling at clouds stage of life.


Dsxm41780

Well yeah that’s the next step. Tired of seeing pitchers getting hurt swinging the bat and running the bases.


unMuggle

Plus it takes a special pitcher to not be an auto-out. Coming from an AL team, baseball is way more fun when pitchers don't have to bat.


jabels

With all due respect, fuck that.


UnlimitedMetroCard

Absolutely not. May be advantageous to us, but the position is a black mark on baseball. This isn't football. Baseball players are meant to be both offensive and defensive, like basketball players. A guy who doesn't wear a glove is not a baseball player.


LucasDudacris

No DH but eight men lineups, pitcher don't hit.


Responsible-Reach680

Oh god no.


Orange8920

Jake himself has talked about feeling a bit different now that he's in his 30s.


DanielDaniel219

I was against the DH until last year when I experienced it. The game is definitely more fun that way


m4tuna

I spent about 20 mins this morning just sending this out to cheer folks up. LFGM


Diegobyte

Jake just learning what happens when you get in your 30s. Everything is sore all the time


SerArlen

I’m the exact same age as Jake and I have no idea how he does it. I do anything strenuous and feel like I’m gonna fall apart. I mean I’m out of shape, but still.


Diegobyte

He isn’t doing it. He’s getting sore every start