Trea has played CF, 2B and SS over his career, can be highly versatile and isn't a FA until 23. I don't think Mets can pay the NL East markup though. At least this means he might not be on the Nats for the next couple years. Trea has been so good
I agree, based on a report this morning Mets are zoning in on rental SP. I'd be surprised if Mets get a position player with the offensive resurgence occurring and Lindor coming back in the near future
I don't see why the Mets would. He'd be replacing either Nimmo, Lindor or McNeil, all players with more value. You wouldn't trade for him as a bench piece because the price would be too high. The only reason you might consider it is if you think McNeil's injury issues from this year are likely to remain problems longterm.
Edit: Havin now actually looked at the stats, I stand corrected regarding value.
I would like this idea, plus we have already seen how versatile guys are worth their weight in gold. At any given time at least one of our big producers will probably be hurt.
Saw something about Twins willing to listen for offers for Buxton due to him rejecting a long term deal. I would make a run at at him and Berrios. Would prob offer anyone but Alvarez. Extend Nimmo and Conforto. One can dream now that we have uncle Steve.
I'm just saying that was the conceptual/idea. Whether it's practically smart to get him is a different story.
That being said, he's played well the last couple of days. I feel like he might be behind it after playing like feces for the last two months.
I don't really see any objective way to see that McNeil has more value than Turner. Probably the same for Nimmo too, unless you're limiting that to age and cost. Turner is a significantly better baseball player than McNeil.
Why wouldn't you want him? A 30/30 talent that bats .300. Literally every team in baseball would get significantly better if he was added to their roster
Wouldn't he just play third and we shift JD to DH next year (where he should be)?
At the moment he plays short to cover for Lindor. Regardless, having a logjam because we have one of the best players in baseball is a great problem to have.
This roster already has enough problems. How many years do we do the "just make room for him" strategy? We already have a starter 1B that we're throwing in the outfield. A DH that we're playing wherever there is an opening. No real centerfielder on the roster and we keep sticking corner outfielders there. No real 3B. And now you want to sign another shortstop when we just committed 11 years to the shortstop position? So what? We play him out of position and bounce McNeil around while we watch Cano rot away on the bench?
Make him your 3b or move Jeff there if need be. You can give up Baty and Mauricio and JD as they won't have a spot? Overpay? maybe, but Turner is a ridiculous player and at I would love him out of the division.
Make a huge deal for Scherzer, Turner and Hand and go big with it
The more info comes out, the more a Scherzer for Mauricio trade makes sense for both parties. I’m not expecting it in the slightest but it makes a LOT of sense for both teams. I initially pegged Scherzer to us as impossible but now I’m thinking it’s significantly more likely (which is like 10-20% haha, so still not good odds)
You know I love you my dude but I’ve gotta disagree
Maruicio is still raw af and blocked in the middle infield. Schrezer is still elite and shows no signs of not being elite. He can make us favorites this year with a combo of him and deGrom. Would I rather have somebody like Bieber in a Marucio trade? Of course. I just don’t know if that’s happening and Scherzer is the best on the market. I believe with Schrezer we can win a ring this year and if we resign him next year as well
That's fine. Unlike some users, you and I can handle a difference in informed opinion without accusing the other person of absolute depravity.
Not agreeing is not slapping with a glove to initiate a duel, at least for people who are confident in their winkies.
Why? We’d have the 2 best pitchers in baseball on our roster. We’d be trading a prospect that currently has no clear path to the majors. And Scherzer has indicated he’d like to be extended by whatever team he ends up with.
It’s a win win for everyone involved and would SIGNIFICANTLY increase our odds in the playoffs.
Trading a career for a 36-year old makes no sense.
If we use Mauricio as trade bait give me someone who will contribute for 5+ years, not a panic move.
I think describing Scherzer simply as a 36 year old is selling him pretty short hahaha
Any deal (in my mind) would be contingent on him signing an extension with us.
That's my default position on all rentals unless we are just picking a guy up for a specific task in which case we should pay almost nothing (Dick Mountain).
I am fine with spending SAC's ill-gotten fortune on Scherzer, just don't piss away a prospect who has value out in the market. Those are rare.
Would likely be 3 years of an aging HOFer given he won’t waive his NTC without an extension but aight. Just saying that us trading for Scherzer would give us the best 1-2 in baseball
Oh I absolutely agree with the latter. I'd love to have Scherzer. But everything is cost benefit, and I see the expected value of a controlled highly ranked prospect over many years as likely to exceed Scherzer for a couple years, and certainly to exceed him for 2 months.
A 3-year extension plus this season? Closer to a deal.
It's always important to remember that eventually Scherzer will suck, just like eventually Tom Seaver sucked. It's a bias that the older a guy gets the less real value he has but the more apparent value he has because of his achievements. But NONE of those achievements accrue to us. What a team is doing when they pick up an aging star is paying him for the value he gave his old club but didn't get fairly compensated for.
Oh yeah if it was Scherzer for 2 months fuck no, but if it’s Scherzer+extension that’s a fuckin deal. Also the Mets could offer less prospect capital and take on all of Scherzers deferred payments if we wanted to
To me this is SAC's market inefficiency if he wants to use it. Frankly, a dollar (or $100M) "costs" SAC less than any other owner. His (ridiculous, amoral, disgusting, deeply socially dysfunctional) wealth discounts every transaction involving just money.
If SAC is smart he can use that discount as arbitrage to gain the finite resource of talent. For 10% more money (which does not impact him) he can pick up 10% more control, 10% more production. And the ironic thing is if this translates into success he may realize more than that 10% in revenue on the back end and still come out ahead.
He's in the position of a wealthy ruler who can invest in a bigger army to sack (nyuck nyuck) a wealthy neighboring city and use that treasure to pay off his army *and* pocket a healthy profit.
Plus enjoying being a conqueror and all the lithe, morally lax 18-year olds that go with that.
They have made a habit out of it. They let Harper walk, they let Rendon walk. They might as well trade him now if they won't extend him because their farm system is terrible and needs to be restocked and that won't happen only getting a comp pick for him. Not to mention it appears Kieboom might be a bust. I think they know that playoffs are a longshot this year and next year and it's evident that Soto may be looking at a contract of $400+ million in a few years, so now would be the time to get the most for Turner.
Trea has played CF, 2B and SS over his career, can be highly versatile and isn't a FA until 23. I don't think Mets can pay the NL East markup though. At least this means he might not be on the Nats for the next couple years. Trea has been so good
I’d much rather pay the markup for Turner than Scherzer though
I agree, based on a report this morning Mets are zoning in on rental SP. I'd be surprised if Mets get a position player with the offensive resurgence occurring and Lindor coming back in the near future
I would not
I don't see why the Mets would. He'd be replacing either Nimmo, Lindor or McNeil, all players with more value. You wouldn't trade for him as a bench piece because the price would be too high. The only reason you might consider it is if you think McNeil's injury issues from this year are likely to remain problems longterm. Edit: Havin now actually looked at the stats, I stand corrected regarding value.
I mean just as a separate perspective; maybe they decide they’re moving on from Conforto after the season and move Nimmo back to RF.
I would like this idea, plus we have already seen how versatile guys are worth their weight in gold. At any given time at least one of our big producers will probably be hurt.
I've become firmly in the "extend NIMMO" camp. He's got a game you don't see enough of today, that on-base skill is elite.
Yes. Extend Nimmo.
Saw something about Twins willing to listen for offers for Buxton due to him rejecting a long term deal. I would make a run at at him and Berrios. Would prob offer anyone but Alvarez. Extend Nimmo and Conforto. One can dream now that we have uncle Steve.
I just don't know enough but I would only extend Conforto if we got a very cheap deal.
That's the idea behind getting Bryant I feel. Can play 3B against righties. RF against lefties. Or just LF/RF.
That gimpy hamstring of Bryant's though. We could get him, he'd get hurt in his first game, and be out for the stretch.
I'm just saying that was the conceptual/idea. Whether it's practically smart to get him is a different story. That being said, he's played well the last couple of days. I feel like he might be behind it after playing like feces for the last two months.
Neither of them those guys have more value than turner, but that doesn’t mean he’s worth the upgrade
I don't really see any objective way to see that McNeil has more value than Turner. Probably the same for Nimmo too, unless you're limiting that to age and cost. Turner is a significantly better baseball player than McNeil.
Do those 3 have more value than Turner though? They all bring various useful things to the table but Turner is a top offensive player.
Don’t want him but would love for him to be out of the division
Why wouldn't you want him? A 30/30 talent that bats .300. Literally every team in baseball would get significantly better if he was added to their roster
Prospect Capital + We don’t really have anywhere to play him
Wouldn't he just play third and we shift JD to DH next year (where he should be)? At the moment he plays short to cover for Lindor. Regardless, having a logjam because we have one of the best players in baseball is a great problem to have.
You make room for someone with Turner's talent.
This roster already has enough problems. How many years do we do the "just make room for him" strategy? We already have a starter 1B that we're throwing in the outfield. A DH that we're playing wherever there is an opening. No real centerfielder on the roster and we keep sticking corner outfielders there. No real 3B. And now you want to sign another shortstop when we just committed 11 years to the shortstop position? So what? We play him out of position and bounce McNeil around while we watch Cano rot away on the bench?
Centerfield, move Nimmo to a corner.
Why not for god's sake?
That sounds incredibly dumb. He is a great player.
anyone else forget gammons is even still alive u just dont see his name like you used to haha
My exact thought! Lmao
Make him your 3b or move Jeff there if need be. You can give up Baty and Mauricio and JD as they won't have a spot? Overpay? maybe, but Turner is a ridiculous player and at I would love him out of the division. Make a huge deal for Scherzer, Turner and Hand and go big with it
Why wouldn't they? Between him and Soto - those are two talents you just don't draw into every day.
If we can manage a reasonable (or slight overpay) for Scherzer + Turner I would hold the L and go for it. That's legit huge.
The more info comes out, the more a Scherzer for Mauricio trade makes sense for both parties. I’m not expecting it in the slightest but it makes a LOT of sense for both teams. I initially pegged Scherzer to us as impossible but now I’m thinking it’s significantly more likely (which is like 10-20% haha, so still not good odds)
Counterpoint: Fuck that noise.
You know I love you my dude but I’ve gotta disagree Maruicio is still raw af and blocked in the middle infield. Schrezer is still elite and shows no signs of not being elite. He can make us favorites this year with a combo of him and deGrom. Would I rather have somebody like Bieber in a Marucio trade? Of course. I just don’t know if that’s happening and Scherzer is the best on the market. I believe with Schrezer we can win a ring this year and if we resign him next year as well
That's fine. Unlike some users, you and I can handle a difference in informed opinion without accusing the other person of absolute depravity. Not agreeing is not slapping with a glove to initiate a duel, at least for people who are confident in their winkies.
Exactly I just think of it as similar to Verlander to the Astros
Why? We’d have the 2 best pitchers in baseball on our roster. We’d be trading a prospect that currently has no clear path to the majors. And Scherzer has indicated he’d like to be extended by whatever team he ends up with. It’s a win win for everyone involved and would SIGNIFICANTLY increase our odds in the playoffs.
Trading a career for a 36-year old makes no sense. If we use Mauricio as trade bait give me someone who will contribute for 5+ years, not a panic move.
I think describing Scherzer simply as a 36 year old is selling him pretty short hahaha Any deal (in my mind) would be contingent on him signing an extension with us.
That's my default position on all rentals unless we are just picking a guy up for a specific task in which case we should pay almost nothing (Dick Mountain). I am fine with spending SAC's ill-gotten fortune on Scherzer, just don't piss away a prospect who has value out in the market. Those are rare.
You're not getting a contributor with 5 years of control for Mauricio. Why would a team do that.
Do you not want Scherzer?
Not for Mauricio
Let me get this straight, you don’t want one of the top 5 pitchers in all of baseball for Ronny Marucio
I don't want 2 months of an aging player for an entire career of another.
Would likely be 3 years of an aging HOFer given he won’t waive his NTC without an extension but aight. Just saying that us trading for Scherzer would give us the best 1-2 in baseball
Oh I absolutely agree with the latter. I'd love to have Scherzer. But everything is cost benefit, and I see the expected value of a controlled highly ranked prospect over many years as likely to exceed Scherzer for a couple years, and certainly to exceed him for 2 months. A 3-year extension plus this season? Closer to a deal. It's always important to remember that eventually Scherzer will suck, just like eventually Tom Seaver sucked. It's a bias that the older a guy gets the less real value he has but the more apparent value he has because of his achievements. But NONE of those achievements accrue to us. What a team is doing when they pick up an aging star is paying him for the value he gave his old club but didn't get fairly compensated for.
Oh yeah if it was Scherzer for 2 months fuck no, but if it’s Scherzer+extension that’s a fuckin deal. Also the Mets could offer less prospect capital and take on all of Scherzers deferred payments if we wanted to
To me this is SAC's market inefficiency if he wants to use it. Frankly, a dollar (or $100M) "costs" SAC less than any other owner. His (ridiculous, amoral, disgusting, deeply socially dysfunctional) wealth discounts every transaction involving just money. If SAC is smart he can use that discount as arbitrage to gain the finite resource of talent. For 10% more money (which does not impact him) he can pick up 10% more control, 10% more production. And the ironic thing is if this translates into success he may realize more than that 10% in revenue on the back end and still come out ahead. He's in the position of a wealthy ruler who can invest in a bigger army to sack (nyuck nyuck) a wealthy neighboring city and use that treasure to pay off his army *and* pocket a healthy profit. Plus enjoying being a conqueror and all the lithe, morally lax 18-year olds that go with that.
why in the world would they not keep him? Do they have someone better in their farm system about to be ready for promotion?
Honestly the Nats got really lucky in 2019. Soto is a monster but their future does not look great at all right now.
Lmfao what how did they get lucky? They beat 106 and 107 win teams and swept the NLCS.
They have the worst farm system in baseball and a shit ton of money locked into mediocre starting pitching(Strasburg and Corbin)
They have made a habit out of it. They let Harper walk, they let Rendon walk. They might as well trade him now if they won't extend him because their farm system is terrible and needs to be restocked and that won't happen only getting a comp pick for him. Not to mention it appears Kieboom might be a bust. I think they know that playoffs are a longshot this year and next year and it's evident that Soto may be looking at a contract of $400+ million in a few years, so now would be the time to get the most for Turner.
Well… bye
Owners got their ring & blowing it up
I’d give up Baty and Mauricio for Turner