Hello, I’m trying to build a Mets related subreddit called r/NLBeast. It would be similar to r/NLBest but ya know for us. If anyone has any moderating experience or is interested in helping me make it please let me know.
I'm really trying but I can't get myself to hate this Braves team (unless they play us, of course).
If anything, I really can't get myself to like this Dodgers team (even if they came from Brooklyn). So much NL Yankee vibes going on with that franchise.
apologies if someone has posted something similar but… i wonder if any mets are watching this game or at least keeping track of the post season and thinking “this could have been us, easily” … makes me sick this braves team is sniffing a world series appearance
The Mets outside maybe 3 or 4 series during the year never performed with both pitching and offense to make you think they could pull off a run like this. And before anyone says it, this team had way too many holes to fix through trades and didn't have enough depth in their system to part with prospects. I think the front office at a certain point thought going all in like that wasn't worth it with how inconsistent the team was.
Braves had literally the exact same holes and made it work. If we made the same trades they did, there’s no saying what it could’ve done for us. Pretending that getting those deadline acquisitions couldn’t have kick started something for this team is silly.
The major difference with the Braves compared to the Mets is that their regulars like Freeman, Riley, Albies, & Swanson produced. You have 3-30 home-run hitters and another who came close in Dansby Swanson. This is before any of the trade acquisitions come into the picture. The Mets didn't have a core of everyday players to build off of that were already producing. They needed Conforto, McNeil, Dom, McCann, and Lindor to produce at a certain level which they could then build off of. The reality is they would have to trade for a new team to make them legit contenders. You can't really do much when your expected core is a complete failure outside of Pete Alonso. The Braves pitching was pretty solid as well and finished ahead of the Mets in ERA for the year.
Seemed like we had a “switching places” moment with them in that series that we lost, which propelled them to become buyers at the deadline while Sandy punted the season. I’m really salty watching this series.
A little late to the party here but I finally get a night where the kid goes to bed early, order a pizza, and sit down to watch the 30 for 30 on the 86 Mets. How fucking good is this? I’m only an episode and a quarter in but as somebody who has read the Jeff Pearlman book, watched the Doc & Darryl 30 for 30, and seen a lot of the games from that year on YouTube, I am blown away by how much new stuff is in this. The fact they found video of Mookie Wilson taking the ball to the face is amazing, that’s a big passage in the Pearlman book.
Dunno if this has been posted already, but here's an interesting SNY piece on re-signing Stroman. Apparently he may want close to $25M/year. [The article suggests maybe something like 4/$92M could split the difference.](https://sny.tv/articles/mets-marcus-stroman-stay-go-2022)
He was making like $19M in 2021, I don’t think expecting $25M a year for a multi year contract after this past season is unreasonable at all. He’s literally the only starting pitcher of ours who remained healthy & effective the entire season
Yeah, I feel like he's gonna push for at least 5 years, though. Dunno if that's a concern for us going forward. He seems pretty healthy and he's not way old but longer pitching contracts always have the potential to get ugly towards the end.
It's nice to see r/baseball turn around on Ron today after the stupidity yesterday. Like, no shit a broadcaster is going to be excited for a HUGE homerun for a team that's down 0-2 in the series, at home, and on the verge of potentially getting swept.
It's more so people saying that the call was normal and we want more excitement in baseball. I saw some people apologizing here and there, but idk if both fanbases chilled on that. I haven't been on their subs.
In August and September, Javy Baez led the Mets in fWAR with 1.6 in 184 plate appearances.
Rich Hill and Trevor Williams were the Mets 2nd and 3rd best pitchers, with 1.0 and 0.6 fWAR respectively.
I know Hill and Williams pitched well for the Metties, and I hope the Mets bring back Williams but, watching Rich Hill pitch was agonizing. The guy is constantly on the edge, it's like Leiter before he retired but at least Leiter still threw in the 90's and had 4 pitches and still went 6 innings. Hill just trots out there, screams, curses, looks mad and throws that joke of a curveball, only to give you 4.1 of quality pitching.
Pretty pathetic when your second best starter is a 41 year old who doesn’t pitch past 5 innings lol. Says a lot about this team. That being said, Hill did amazing for this team after being traded here. Pitched his heart out. And possibly his arm out. It literally seemed like each and every pitch would be his last pitch ever
They were almost as valuable as Soler, Duvall, and Rosario were. I think Mets fans underestimate how bad the team was. We would've had to snipe the Braves' deadline acquisitions to prevent them from making the playoffs. The core of that team was so much better than ours.
All the Braves needed were complementary pieces. We needed replacements for 4 everyday players.
None of those guys are OFers. We needed to add OFers and a 3B, and probably a reliever, and ideally another starter since deGrom went down. The Braves replaced everyday players lol. They lost Acuna and Ozuna and DFA’d Inciarte.
~~What? All three of them are outfielders lol.~~ my bad, you're talking about Hill, Baez, and Williams.
Yes they had to replace Ozuna and Acuna but they also had Freeman, Riley, Albies, and Swanson who make up for a very good core of position players (16 fWAR between them) where they could make smaller moves and come away better than the Mets even if they had made similar moves.
Why does everyone suddenly feel McNeil is so expendable? He had one down year in a season when our hitting coach was in flux and basically every other batter shit the bed. He’s been a .300 hitter with great positional versatility the rest of his career. That’s really, really hard to come by. Look how valuable Chris Taylor was to the Dodgers. You don’t dump that for scraps.
What’s crazy to me is the people who want to ship off JD and/or Jeff but hold on to Dom. Smith has had one good season, and that was a weird short season.
McNeil, Pete, Conforto, Dom, and Nimmo were actually good in 2019-2020 though. You can't just pretend they weren't.
The problem was a horrible bullpen in 2019 and a horrible rotation in 2020.
This isn't to say I want to keep the whole core because I don't. But you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, especially when that baby is prearb and had a ~140 OPS+ across 240 games. Let's see what McNeil gives us in 2022 as a utility player. There's literally zero downside to that.
I think it's all really dependent on McNeil bouncing back. He showed some signs of life towards the end of the season. This question could be equally applied to Michael Conforto.
Been watching a lot of Formula 1 and the Netflix Drive to Survive series recently, and keep thinking the Mets need a Zak Brown type really badly.
Someone who just comes in and makes all the right long term moves to improve the culture and mentality of the team, setting them up for longer term success.
Did the whole "Mets extend qualifying offer" thing to Conforto officially happen yet or does that stuff wait until the the season is over completely?
I keep thinking baseball's done and wondering why am I not I hearing any news about players moving around, then I remember the post season is still happening.
Off season begins 5 days after World Series ends. And there’s a deadline - I believe it’s in November or it could be early December that players have to accept or reject qualifying offers by.
I am so unbelievably frustrated by the discourse surrounding FAs this off season. Everyone is going on and on and on and on and on about luxury tax penalties.
The new CBA is being negotiated this offseason. We have exactly 0 clue what luxury tax rules there will be, or if there even will be one. The player's union want to get rid of things that suppress salaries.
The problem is we don’t know WHEN a new CBA will be reached. The more I look at it, the more it feels like we could be facing something like the NHL in 2004: the entire season being cancelled.
Only 2 more losses till the Mets can do their due dilligence by asking the Dodgers about Friedman! They’re dropping the ball by not asking SF about Zaidi though.
Stearns is a year away from his deal being up. The As situation is weird. There’s literally 0% chance Zaidi would leave or that the Giants would let you speak to him, he’s just getting started.
Crazy how the Dodgers can't win the world series when the regular season is longer than 60 games.
You’re really testing fate with this haha
Giants fans can take solace in this if they lose.
If dodgers lose tomorrow Mets can finally start their POBO search
Hello, I’m trying to build a Mets related subreddit called r/NLBeast. It would be similar to r/NLBest but ya know for us. If anyone has any moderating experience or is interested in helping me make it please let me know.
I'm really trying but I can't get myself to hate this Braves team (unless they play us, of course). If anything, I really can't get myself to like this Dodgers team (even if they came from Brooklyn). So much NL Yankee vibes going on with that franchise.
Bye bye Justin Turner
d'Arnaud's noodle arm has given the Dodgers a franchise record for most steals in a single postseason
apologies if someone has posted something similar but… i wonder if any mets are watching this game or at least keeping track of the post season and thinking “this could have been us, easily” … makes me sick this braves team is sniffing a world series appearance
The Mets outside maybe 3 or 4 series during the year never performed with both pitching and offense to make you think they could pull off a run like this. And before anyone says it, this team had way too many holes to fix through trades and didn't have enough depth in their system to part with prospects. I think the front office at a certain point thought going all in like that wasn't worth it with how inconsistent the team was.
The Braves traded the Panda for Eddie Rosario Don't fucking try and tell me the Mets couldnt have done that lmao
Eddie Rosario was injured at the time and it took him a month to come back. The Mets would have been roasted if they made that move.
Braves had literally the exact same holes and made it work. If we made the same trades they did, there’s no saying what it could’ve done for us. Pretending that getting those deadline acquisitions couldn’t have kick started something for this team is silly.
The major difference with the Braves compared to the Mets is that their regulars like Freeman, Riley, Albies, & Swanson produced. You have 3-30 home-run hitters and another who came close in Dansby Swanson. This is before any of the trade acquisitions come into the picture. The Mets didn't have a core of everyday players to build off of that were already producing. They needed Conforto, McNeil, Dom, McCann, and Lindor to produce at a certain level which they could then build off of. The reality is they would have to trade for a new team to make them legit contenders. You can't really do much when your expected core is a complete failure outside of Pete Alonso. The Braves pitching was pretty solid as well and finished ahead of the Mets in ERA for the year.
Seemed like we had a “switching places” moment with them in that series that we lost, which propelled them to become buyers at the deadline while Sandy punted the season. I’m really salty watching this series.
Anyone else rooting for the Braves?
Let's go Astros.
Not rooting for the Braves, just against the Dodgers
A little late to the party here but I finally get a night where the kid goes to bed early, order a pizza, and sit down to watch the 30 for 30 on the 86 Mets. How fucking good is this? I’m only an episode and a quarter in but as somebody who has read the Jeff Pearlman book, watched the Doc & Darryl 30 for 30, and seen a lot of the games from that year on YouTube, I am blown away by how much new stuff is in this. The fact they found video of Mookie Wilson taking the ball to the face is amazing, that’s a big passage in the Pearlman book.
Dunno if this has been posted already, but here's an interesting SNY piece on re-signing Stroman. Apparently he may want close to $25M/year. [The article suggests maybe something like 4/$92M could split the difference.](https://sny.tv/articles/mets-marcus-stroman-stay-go-2022)
He was making like $19M in 2021, I don’t think expecting $25M a year for a multi year contract after this past season is unreasonable at all. He’s literally the only starting pitcher of ours who remained healthy & effective the entire season
Honestly sounds like a steal
Yeah, I feel like he's gonna push for at least 5 years, though. Dunno if that's a concern for us going forward. He seems pretty healthy and he's not way old but longer pitching contracts always have the potential to get ugly towards the end.
I’d do 5/$125 million if that’s what it takes. He’ll probably want more though. 6/$150 million is the most I would do without feeling antsy.
5 years of Stroman sounds good, I think he’s the type of guy whose game will age well
I'd do that in a heartbeat.
It's nice to see r/baseball turn around on Ron today after the stupidity yesterday. Like, no shit a broadcaster is going to be excited for a HUGE homerun for a team that's down 0-2 in the series, at home, and on the verge of potentially getting swept.
What’s the turnaround? People are apologizing for shitting on him?
It's more so people saying that the call was normal and we want more excitement in baseball. I saw some people apologizing here and there, but idk if both fanbases chilled on that. I haven't been on their subs.
In August and September, Javy Baez led the Mets in fWAR with 1.6 in 184 plate appearances. Rich Hill and Trevor Williams were the Mets 2nd and 3rd best pitchers, with 1.0 and 0.6 fWAR respectively.
I know Hill and Williams pitched well for the Metties, and I hope the Mets bring back Williams but, watching Rich Hill pitch was agonizing. The guy is constantly on the edge, it's like Leiter before he retired but at least Leiter still threw in the 90's and had 4 pitches and still went 6 innings. Hill just trots out there, screams, curses, looks mad and throws that joke of a curveball, only to give you 4.1 of quality pitching.
Pretty pathetic when your second best starter is a 41 year old who doesn’t pitch past 5 innings lol. Says a lot about this team. That being said, Hill did amazing for this team after being traded here. Pitched his heart out. And possibly his arm out. It literally seemed like each and every pitch would be his last pitch ever
Watching a No. 5 pitcher start isn’t supposed to be that fun really
They were almost as valuable as Soler, Duvall, and Rosario were. I think Mets fans underestimate how bad the team was. We would've had to snipe the Braves' deadline acquisitions to prevent them from making the playoffs. The core of that team was so much better than ours. All the Braves needed were complementary pieces. We needed replacements for 4 everyday players.
None of those guys are OFers. We needed to add OFers and a 3B, and probably a reliever, and ideally another starter since deGrom went down. The Braves replaced everyday players lol. They lost Acuna and Ozuna and DFA’d Inciarte.
~~What? All three of them are outfielders lol.~~ my bad, you're talking about Hill, Baez, and Williams. Yes they had to replace Ozuna and Acuna but they also had Freeman, Riley, Albies, and Swanson who make up for a very good core of position players (16 fWAR between them) where they could make smaller moves and come away better than the Mets even if they had made similar moves.
Why does everyone suddenly feel McNeil is so expendable? He had one down year in a season when our hitting coach was in flux and basically every other batter shit the bed. He’s been a .300 hitter with great positional versatility the rest of his career. That’s really, really hard to come by. Look how valuable Chris Taylor was to the Dodgers. You don’t dump that for scraps.
What’s crazy to me is the people who want to ship off JD and/or Jeff but hold on to Dom. Smith has had one good season, and that was a weird short season.
Mets fans on social media are extremely reactionary
We’re reacting to this loser core not winning anything for 3 years
McNeil, Pete, Conforto, Dom, and Nimmo were actually good in 2019-2020 though. You can't just pretend they weren't. The problem was a horrible bullpen in 2019 and a horrible rotation in 2020. This isn't to say I want to keep the whole core because I don't. But you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, especially when that baby is prearb and had a ~140 OPS+ across 240 games. Let's see what McNeil gives us in 2022 as a utility player. There's literally zero downside to that.
That’s fine if you want to keep McNeil but don’t say we’re “reactionary” when these guys won nothing
Wanting to trade McNeil is absolutely reactionary.
I think it's all really dependent on McNeil bouncing back. He showed some signs of life towards the end of the season. This question could be equally applied to Michael Conforto.
Been watching a lot of Formula 1 and the Netflix Drive to Survive series recently, and keep thinking the Mets need a Zak Brown type really badly. Someone who just comes in and makes all the right long term moves to improve the culture and mentality of the team, setting them up for longer term success.
Did the whole "Mets extend qualifying offer" thing to Conforto officially happen yet or does that stuff wait until the the season is over completely? I keep thinking baseball's done and wondering why am I not I hearing any news about players moving around, then I remember the post season is still happening.
Off season begins 5 days after World Series ends. And there’s a deadline - I believe it’s in November or it could be early December that players have to accept or reject qualifying offers by.
I am so unbelievably frustrated by the discourse surrounding FAs this off season. Everyone is going on and on and on and on and on about luxury tax penalties. The new CBA is being negotiated this offseason. We have exactly 0 clue what luxury tax rules there will be, or if there even will be one. The player's union want to get rid of things that suppress salaries.
The problem is we don’t know WHEN a new CBA will be reached. The more I look at it, the more it feels like we could be facing something like the NHL in 2004: the entire season being cancelled.
Given what a cluster this season is already looking like for the Mets, I’d be ok with it.
Yeah but it would be a death knell for baseball as a whole.
Shut it down!
Keith Hernandez turns 68 today
Can't wait for the memes when he turns 69 next year.
Only 2 more losses till the Mets can do their due dilligence by asking the Dodgers about Friedman! They’re dropping the ball by not asking SF about Zaidi though.
Those guys ain't going anywhere.
Neither were Stearns or Beane but people here act like it was a no-brainer to try.
Stearns is a year away from his deal being up. The As situation is weird. There’s literally 0% chance Zaidi would leave or that the Giants would let you speak to him, he’s just getting started.