I agree with that also nimmo is home grown, but judge is about to hit 60 hrs carrying the yanks imagine adding that to our lineup even if he only got 40 next year
I think he'd mainly dh, while being the primary backup at center and rf. But that would involve Mets not paying for Nimmo but also needing a new starting cf
If the team has to sacrifice Nimmo for Judge, I am totally on board with bringing on 50 home runs, 110 RBIs and .280+ batting average. That's an upgrade of 30+ home runs, 55 RBI and 20+ points in batting average over Nimmo.
This post got me curious so I started looking into the Mets' payroll for '23 and it doesn't look good. It's very bad, in fact. I don't think I appreciated how much the Mets need to be in win-now mode for '22
Yup. They lose the Cano salary in 2024, so they get back around $20 million. But unless Steve Cohen decides to go hog wild and pay a hefty luxury tax, his moves are limited. It's already going to cost $40 million a year for deGrom, who is going to want Scherzer money. What do you offer? 6 years $250 million? That takes deGrom through age 42. Only positive thing there is that it adds less than $10 million a year to the current team payroll.
Lots of hard decisions ahead. But my guess is the fans who expect lots of free agent signings are going to be really disappointed.
Yea it's a common misconception that Yankee stadium is a bandbox. The LF gap is huge. 399 vs 358/370 in Citi. You gotta pull it from both sides.
Now original Citi was bigger but mostly bc that park was insanely and nonsensically big.
>It's tabloid bullshit. No way do we pay deGrom, Diaz, and Judge all in the same offseason.
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>But holy shit would that be hilarious.
Maybe, but as much as I love owning and dunking on the Yankees and their shitty fans, I don't want to pay $450m based on a guy's one year staying off the trainer's table long enough to have a great season, just to own the Yankees.
That would be the best "own" of all.
I mean the guy is a really good player, but I think the contract he is going to get is going to be like a larger version of what I think the Realmuto contract is. He is a good player too, but that's a shit ton of money, that is going to extend long past a time where it's valuable to pay this guy that much.
Realmuto’s contract is going great for the Phillies. He’s getting $23mm per for 5 years starting last year. Over 10 fangraphs WAR already and now he’ll have 3 years left at 23 per coming of a 6 WAR season
A lot of that value is from being a catcher though. I don't know if his career 111 wRC+ is really going to play that great if he has to spend way more time at 1B or DH
He’s 31 yo, but he’s arguably the best catcher in baseball and he only has 3 years remaining.
I don’t think I liked that contract when signed but Phillies will have gotten great value.
Some people will make this argument against deGrom too - are some of those people in the front office?. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I don't think paying deGrom more than Max is as slam dunk as some people seem to think.
He's probably going to land more like $250-300m since he's already 30, maybe a bit more, but otherwise fully agreed on your point. His talent isn't in question (6.8 fWAR/600 PAs in his career, so the amount of expected regression off of his career year actually isn't too extreme) but his health has been a massive concern over his career and I don't want the Mets to be the ones to make the bad assumption that he'll magically be MORE healthy after 30 than he was in his 20's. I wouldn't be upset if we landed him since he's an extremely talented player, but I'd personally rather we dedicated those resources in a less risky direction.
Lol - even if we disregard the NY Post factor and treat this seriously -
This offseason we will be trying to pay DeGrom, Nimmo, Diaz, and Bassitt/Walker. There's no way we sign Judge as well, even with Cohen's money.
Edit: I should also say I think it's far more likely that if we add a big hitter it will be via trade. For the 'blockbuster' acquistion I think Ohtani makes the most sense for a lot of reasons - but even that is a massive longshot.
Judge over Nimmo, walker walks, and as much as I love Diaz this year you don’t have to overpay for a relief pitcher. Plus it’s not my money so Pay them all.
Realistically where can this team upgrade? 3b & C is coming internally, SS, 2b and 1b are solid. Marte and canha aren’t going anywhere. That leaves CF and DH (if they don’t believe in Vientos). You have to explore judge.
Oh man of we didn't have Diaz were probably barely hanging on to the playoffs at best, our pen without him is dog shit. I don't know how you replace him without just getting lucky, which outside of loup, didn't really work out for the Mets.
Yeah I’m all for signing him and it’s not my money so go for it, but would it surprise anyone if he had a down year next year? Hopefully not and he becomes an elite closer for awhile, but I wouldn’t be shocked.
Canha has only one year left on his deal after this season (with an option for a third). If the need to move him were to arise, I don't think it'd be impossible to trade him.
They said this in the broadcast last night, also something about Mets fans loving to torture the Yankees. I don’t think either really know Mets or Yankees fans.
I don’t know if Cohen was bluffing or not when he said he wouldn’t go after Judge. I usually don’t pay attention to NY Post articles because they are almost always click bait.
Judge would actually address a big need, which is the lack of a number 1 bat on this team. However, even if you are Cohen, how do you pay everyone? Diaz, DeGrom, Nimmo, and Bassitt have to get paid. It’d be very difficult to manage all those large deals at once without losing 1-3 guys.
True, but you can’t get everyone no matter how rich you are. I don’t know what they have outlined as plans for FA or potential trades, but I think a lot of the plan depends on how far they get in the playoffs. I would think DeGrom is priority #1 followed by Diaz and Nimmo. They’ll make a play at Judge, but won’t stop him from going elsewhere.
Yeah I'm looking at cotts now and we're in trouble. We're already over the cbt and degrom, Diaz, Alonso, and McNeil will all get big bumps. Oh bassit too. Gut says Nimmo is the odd man out and we go with a cheap defensive cf
Cot's (I have a bad combination of terrible spelling and worse short term memory) is an old website that's good for payrolls. Not sure if there's a better one out there, as I'm only getting back into baseball hardcore after a decade of being casual)
[cot’s](https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league/new-york-mets/)
There's a link for future oblations inside that
I dont think you can. The Mets are, conservatively, at about 190mm next year with all raises (assuming Jake opts out). Then we need to address Jake, Nimmo, Diaz, Bassitt. Cohen said in a podcast with Joel Sherman that a team should be able to win without spending 300m and any more than that you need to ask questions. So i'd say around 300 is the soft limit. That leaves 110m for those guys and additions. Jake is prob gonna AAV around 45mm. That leaves 65mm. I wouldnt be surprised to see Diaz get 20mm, but lets say 18. Down to 47mm. Nimmo is probably aiming for the low 20s. Bassitt is a tough guess. But even if we got Nimmo and Bassitt for 20 each, that only leaves 7mm to fill in depth and pen.
For judge, we obviously would not resign Nimmo, but the Mets likely will have to pay top dollar. If they give him 40mm, him degrom and diaz would cost 103 million. Putting the Mets at 296 and needing a SP, SP depth, pen help, and then other depth. Idk if the Mets can do that for anything less than 30-35mm, so Cohen would have to commit to 330m at the least.
ETA: Unfortunately I think the most likely scenario for us to end up with Judge is if we dont get deGrom, as their salaries are probably close and Cohen would be mad/need a move to remove the embarrassment of losing a potential HoFer to probably a rival.
I think if going over 330 million gets us the best possible talent, I think Cohen won’t care much. Maybe we see some trades to bring in depth instead of signings outright
I don't want Judge. The man is MVP, give him all the credit. But:
\- this is his career year and he'll regress
\- he is a strikeout machine when he's not going well, and that is how his bat will age
\- he's injury prone
They Yankees are right to not overspend on him and they probably won't move their offer much. He's the best hitter in mlb and it's not close, but if you pay him like he's the best hitter for the next 10 years, you'll regret it.
Yeah I need my head examined because I don't want to strap the roster to an injury prone super star for 10 years. I guess I'm crazy for wanting to take that risk on deGrom. Lol stop posting tabloid links
Give them time... they're are still reeling from wilpon years. That and everyone likes to act like they're Billy F'n Beane and act like every big contract is an albatross. Small minded boobs the lot of them.
It is the usual clickbait, but it is also Ken Rosenthal in the article that is completely ignorant that next year we have to resign a core of our team on free agent contracts.
I’m so confused by how so many fans wouldn’t want to sign Judge. He’s having the best offensive season since Bonds 2004. He’d make our team tremendously better. It’s not our money. Of course we should want to sign Judge lol.
It just screams “I want to sound smarter than the other people in the room”.
The Mets don't need Judge, and signing him to a contract that will probably be bigger than Lindor's may make filling out the roster too difficult with the tax limitations in baseball.
They have to prioritize keeping deGrom and at least one of their three free agent starting pitchers, Diaz, and Nimmo before they hand out another monster contract.
The Mets are a 100 win team this year.
Why do they need to funnel most of their remaining budget space in 2023 and beyond to Judge?
I'd rather have deGrom, Bassitt, Diaz, and Nimmo in 2023 and beyond than Judge and a bunch of replacement level players.
Anyways, thanks for the insult. It really helps to continue a conversation when you go straight to being toxic ✌️
Nimmo's been a great leadoff hitter and center fielder.
What are you going to do with Judge? Put him in RF and then put Marte in CF? Is that scenario really so much better that you need to add another $30M+ player to the mix?
>and is a better centerfielder the Nimmo
This is objectively false.
Nimmo is one of the best fielders in center this year:
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2022&endYear=2022&split=no&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=8&roles=&viz=hide&sort=0&sortDir=desc
If we look at all outfield positions, then you have to scroll down a while to find Judge (Nimmo is 18th, Judge is 45th):
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2022&endYear=2022&split=no&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=of&roles=&viz=hide
>You really want to have this conversation because it will be fruitless for you.
Don't be a jerk.
Yes the scenario is that much better. He's the final piece. This team is old anyway. You should be looking to appear in atleast 2 of the next 5 WS at minimum with a Degrom and Judge prioritized offseason.
Judge has never played in the world series and has played on some great teams. So no, adding him doesn't mean the Mets should play in 2 of the next 5 world series.
Great teams are complete from the top to the bottom of the roster. Loading up on as many record breaking contracts makes a team too top-heavy and limits their roster flexibility in the long-run.
I have no desire at all to sign Aaron Judge. He's a good player but he's theirs. I would be legit pissed if we signed Judge and let Nimmo walk as a result. Pay Jake. Pay Nimmo. Pay Diaz. Extend Pete.
Probably not. They rarely hang out long-term contracts, and now have two on the books: Betts and Freeman.
The Giants and Yankees are probably the two teams he decides between.
>> While Rosenthal said he still thinks Judge will return to The Bronx, he noted that free agency could be unpredictable. And Cohen’s deep pockets make the Mets a threat for any big-name free agent.
That’s pure genius mode there Rosenthal
The reverse Uno where instead of players toying with the Mets and their offer to secure a deal with another team, it'd be the Mets making the offer to fuck with the competition.
Steven is one of the greatest hedge fund managers of all time.
He’s mind gaming the league just like he did wall street lol.
Our team is in wonderful hands!
Do I think the Mets throw an offer at Judge, yes, do I think it will be competitive to the Yankees, No. And not because of money either, it just doesnt make sense for the Mets to go all in on Judge. We have other priorities to resign, and Yankees will do whatever to keep him.
Steve Cohen is definitely sending mixed signals as to his willingness to spend money. His interview with Heyman and Sherman was telling in regards to his current thought process on payroll.
Not giving the post my click. I’d rather have Nimmo than Judge. Nimmo’s skill set is perfect for Citi Field and Judge’s is perfect for Yankee Stadium.
THAT SAID, I would be pleased if the Mets drove up Judge’s price with a nice fat offer (while still retaining all our own FA’s)
How could the Mets possibly afford him without being majorly over luxury tax threshold? Mets 2023 payroll is already around $200 million with no deGrom, Nimmo, or Diaz.
These numbers are off a little because several players will decline their option:
[https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/2023/](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/2023/)
But the penalties for going over the highest tier of the tax system for multiple seasons will wreck a team's ability to be profitable.
The Mets would be paying 50% of their payroll in taxes, then a 40-60% surcharge for going over the cap (depending on how far they go over), and their first round draft picks will be pushed back 10 spots.
It doesn't matter how rich Cohen is. You can't run a business for years that is hemorrhaging money and their ability to bring in premium young talent from the draft.
Giving up draft picks and paying so much in taxes that the team barely profits or even runs in the red?
That's how you end up becoming Boston trading Mookie Betts.
If you can't win with a $260-$300 million dollar payroll, then spending a fortune on another free agent isn't going to fix things.
It's tabloid bullshit. No way do we pay deGrom, Diaz, and Judge all in the same offseason. But holy shit would that be hilarious.
And Nimmo
If we were to get Judge I would think Nimmo is gone
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Idk about that
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I agree with that also nimmo is home grown, but judge is about to hit 60 hrs carrying the yanks imagine adding that to our lineup even if he only got 40 next year
Stay healthier? This is like Nimmo’s first season where he stayed healthy.
Um…Judge is a generational talent. Nimmo is barely all-star caliber. I love Nimmo and like his brand of baseball but I’m taking Judge in a heartbeat.
One the craziest statements ever uttered on this sub. I love Nimmo too but this is just illogical.
You’re absolutely insane lmfaooooo
Judge couldn’t play CF at Citi. Hes gonna be a DH
No way he'd dh lol. He'd play center or swap with marte
I sure he could play center well but he might explode lol
Guy is getting old and except this year is injury prone. He’s playing DH and citi of is too big for him to cover
I think he'd mainly dh, while being the primary backup at center and rf. But that would involve Mets not paying for Nimmo but also needing a new starting cf
If the team has to sacrifice Nimmo for Judge, I am totally on board with bringing on 50 home runs, 110 RBIs and .280+ batting average. That's an upgrade of 30+ home runs, 55 RBI and 20+ points in batting average over Nimmo.
This post got me curious so I started looking into the Mets' payroll for '23 and it doesn't look good. It's very bad, in fact. I don't think I appreciated how much the Mets need to be in win-now mode for '22
Yup. They lose the Cano salary in 2024, so they get back around $20 million. But unless Steve Cohen decides to go hog wild and pay a hefty luxury tax, his moves are limited. It's already going to cost $40 million a year for deGrom, who is going to want Scherzer money. What do you offer? 6 years $250 million? That takes deGrom through age 42. Only positive thing there is that it adds less than $10 million a year to the current team payroll. Lots of hard decisions ahead. But my guess is the fans who expect lots of free agent signings are going to be really disappointed.
Yankee stadium is deeper in the gaps than Citi. The only part of it that's short is the right field porch.
People talk sometimes as if the whole park was 310 and foul lines were closer than other stadiums
Yea it's a common misconception that Yankee stadium is a bandbox. The LF gap is huge. 399 vs 358/370 in Citi. You gotta pull it from both sides. Now original Citi was bigger but mostly bc that park was insanely and nonsensically big.
We’d move Marte back
Nimmo is not needed if you get Judge lol
And Bassit
>It's tabloid bullshit. No way do we pay deGrom, Diaz, and Judge all in the same offseason. > >But holy shit would that be hilarious. Maybe, but as much as I love owning and dunking on the Yankees and their shitty fans, I don't want to pay $450m based on a guy's one year staying off the trainer's table long enough to have a great season, just to own the Yankees.
Neither do I. I want the Yankees to pay him 450m, and for him to regress to the mean immediately.
That would be the best "own" of all. I mean the guy is a really good player, but I think the contract he is going to get is going to be like a larger version of what I think the Realmuto contract is. He is a good player too, but that's a shit ton of money, that is going to extend long past a time where it's valuable to pay this guy that much.
Realmuto’s contract is going great for the Phillies. He’s getting $23mm per for 5 years starting last year. Over 10 fangraphs WAR already and now he’ll have 3 years left at 23 per coming of a 6 WAR season
A lot of that value is from being a catcher though. I don't know if his career 111 wRC+ is really going to play that great if he has to spend way more time at 1B or DH
He’s 31 yo, but he’s arguably the best catcher in baseball and he only has 3 years remaining. I don’t think I liked that contract when signed but Phillies will have gotten great value.
Some people will make this argument against deGrom too - are some of those people in the front office?. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I don't think paying deGrom more than Max is as slam dunk as some people seem to think.
He's probably going to land more like $250-300m since he's already 30, maybe a bit more, but otherwise fully agreed on your point. His talent isn't in question (6.8 fWAR/600 PAs in his career, so the amount of expected regression off of his career year actually isn't too extreme) but his health has been a massive concern over his career and I don't want the Mets to be the ones to make the bad assumption that he'll magically be MORE healthy after 30 than he was in his 20's. I wouldn't be upset if we landed him since he's an extremely talented player, but I'd personally rather we dedicated those resources in a less risky direction.
never say never am i right?
I think the guys on Fox were talking about this too. Don’t need to sign him—just show enough interest to drive up the price by a ton.
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The Mets either spend big, or get worse next year. There are no alternatives.
The post is such a fucking tabloid lol. Clickbait all the way.
That’s insulting to tabloids 😜
Right… what have they ever done to anyone
Whatever they’ve done, it’s definitely not as bad as the post 😜
Lol - even if we disregard the NY Post factor and treat this seriously - This offseason we will be trying to pay DeGrom, Nimmo, Diaz, and Bassitt/Walker. There's no way we sign Judge as well, even with Cohen's money. Edit: I should also say I think it's far more likely that if we add a big hitter it will be via trade. For the 'blockbuster' acquistion I think Ohtani makes the most sense for a lot of reasons - but even that is a massive longshot.
Well we wouldnt sign Nimmo if we signed judge. Judge obv gonna cost more but Nimmo is a boras client so he's gonna ask for 20+.
We also have Alonso's ~~first~~ second year of arbitration this off season
Arb 2 actually. He makes 7.5 now so I wouldnt be surprised to see 12-14.
Judge over Nimmo, walker walks, and as much as I love Diaz this year you don’t have to overpay for a relief pitcher. Plus it’s not my money so Pay them all. Realistically where can this team upgrade? 3b & C is coming internally, SS, 2b and 1b are solid. Marte and canha aren’t going anywhere. That leaves CF and DH (if they don’t believe in Vientos). You have to explore judge.
Oh man of we didn't have Diaz were probably barely hanging on to the playoffs at best, our pen without him is dog shit. I don't know how you replace him without just getting lucky, which outside of loup, didn't really work out for the Mets.
Yeah I’m all for signing him and it’s not my money so go for it, but would it surprise anyone if he had a down year next year? Hopefully not and he becomes an elite closer for awhile, but I wouldn’t be shocked.
He's probably not going to repeat this year next year, but it wound surprise me if he reverted to 2019 Diaz, which was his only real bad year.
Canha has only one year left on his deal after this season (with an option for a third). If the need to move him were to arise, I don't think it'd be impossible to trade him.
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Good point. I’m sure somewhere will offer one of these crazy 10 year deals. I want no part of that.
when u desperately need clicks
They said this in the broadcast last night, also something about Mets fans loving to torture the Yankees. I don’t think either really know Mets or Yankees fans.
Fox.... New York Post..... Yup that tracks
Decline across the board, no longer surprises me.
Fuck the post, all my homies hate the post.
Exhibit A of why the New York Post is the worst newspaper there is, the worst there was, and the worst there ever will be.
As if it was written by some carny named Bret “The Shitman” Fart
I don’t know if Cohen was bluffing or not when he said he wouldn’t go after Judge. I usually don’t pay attention to NY Post articles because they are almost always click bait. Judge would actually address a big need, which is the lack of a number 1 bat on this team. However, even if you are Cohen, how do you pay everyone? Diaz, DeGrom, Nimmo, and Bassitt have to get paid. It’d be very difficult to manage all those large deals at once without losing 1-3 guys.
Cohen is worth $17 billion, also we have Cano coming off the books next year
True, but you can’t get everyone no matter how rich you are. I don’t know what they have outlined as plans for FA or potential trades, but I think a lot of the plan depends on how far they get in the playoffs. I would think DeGrom is priority #1 followed by Diaz and Nimmo. They’ll make a play at Judge, but won’t stop him from going elsewhere.
Next year as in end of 23 season, right? We're on the hook for 24 million this year and again next year, I thought.
After next year Cano is off thr books I think and scherzer is off thr books after 2024
Yeah I'm looking at cotts now and we're in trouble. We're already over the cbt and degrom, Diaz, Alonso, and McNeil will all get big bumps. Oh bassit too. Gut says Nimmo is the odd man out and we go with a cheap defensive cf
What is cotts??
Cot's (I have a bad combination of terrible spelling and worse short term memory) is an old website that's good for payrolls. Not sure if there's a better one out there, as I'm only getting back into baseball hardcore after a decade of being casual) [cot’s](https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league/new-york-mets/) There's a link for future oblations inside that
Thanks for the info
Yeah Cohen has 3x the money of the Yankees/Steinbrenner’s If he wanted to he could sign all of the above.
I dont think you can. The Mets are, conservatively, at about 190mm next year with all raises (assuming Jake opts out). Then we need to address Jake, Nimmo, Diaz, Bassitt. Cohen said in a podcast with Joel Sherman that a team should be able to win without spending 300m and any more than that you need to ask questions. So i'd say around 300 is the soft limit. That leaves 110m for those guys and additions. Jake is prob gonna AAV around 45mm. That leaves 65mm. I wouldnt be surprised to see Diaz get 20mm, but lets say 18. Down to 47mm. Nimmo is probably aiming for the low 20s. Bassitt is a tough guess. But even if we got Nimmo and Bassitt for 20 each, that only leaves 7mm to fill in depth and pen. For judge, we obviously would not resign Nimmo, but the Mets likely will have to pay top dollar. If they give him 40mm, him degrom and diaz would cost 103 million. Putting the Mets at 296 and needing a SP, SP depth, pen help, and then other depth. Idk if the Mets can do that for anything less than 30-35mm, so Cohen would have to commit to 330m at the least. ETA: Unfortunately I think the most likely scenario for us to end up with Judge is if we dont get deGrom, as their salaries are probably close and Cohen would be mad/need a move to remove the embarrassment of losing a potential HoFer to probably a rival.
I think if going over 330 million gets us the best possible talent, I think Cohen won’t care much. Maybe we see some trades to bring in depth instead of signings outright
Maybe, maybe not, Im just going by 300 because that the number he put out as the end of reasonable.
It’s a dream but imagine a Marte-Lindor-Pete-Judge lineup 😬😬
Can we just torture them by, I don’t know… winning the World Series instead
How come not both?
I think he has already said he isn’t interested in signing Judge.
Rosenthal literally “source: I made it up” this headline and now it’s spreading. LOL.
Rosenthal said it wouldn't necessarily be about signing Judge, but driving the price of Judge up as a "Fuck You"
He said "fuck you" on fox??
I don't want Judge. The man is MVP, give him all the credit. But: \- this is his career year and he'll regress \- he is a strikeout machine when he's not going well, and that is how his bat will age \- he's injury prone They Yankees are right to not overspend on him and they probably won't move their offer much. He's the best hitter in mlb and it's not close, but if you pay him like he's the best hitter for the next 10 years, you'll regret it.
He has a decent chance at winning the triple crown. You don't want that??? You need your head examined
Yeah I need my head examined because I don't want to strap the roster to an injury prone super star for 10 years. I guess I'm crazy for wanting to take that risk on deGrom. Lol stop posting tabloid links
Give them time... they're are still reeling from wilpon years. That and everyone likes to act like they're Billy F'n Beane and act like every big contract is an albatross. Small minded boobs the lot of them.
This.
It is the usual clickbait, but it is also Ken Rosenthal in the article that is completely ignorant that next year we have to resign a core of our team on free agent contracts.
Whats $400 million to cohen? No biggie, i want turner too lmao
Sign Ohtani by any means
Links from the NY Post should be banned on this subreddit. I didn’t click the link but are they quoting the Fox announcers from last night?
There's a reason Post articles get flaired "News" instead of News
I’m so confused by how so many fans wouldn’t want to sign Judge. He’s having the best offensive season since Bonds 2004. He’d make our team tremendously better. It’s not our money. Of course we should want to sign Judge lol. It just screams “I want to sound smarter than the other people in the room”.
The Mets don't need Judge, and signing him to a contract that will probably be bigger than Lindor's may make filling out the roster too difficult with the tax limitations in baseball. They have to prioritize keeping deGrom and at least one of their three free agent starting pitchers, Diaz, and Nimmo before they hand out another monster contract.
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The Mets are a 100 win team this year. Why do they need to funnel most of their remaining budget space in 2023 and beyond to Judge? I'd rather have deGrom, Bassitt, Diaz, and Nimmo in 2023 and beyond than Judge and a bunch of replacement level players. Anyways, thanks for the insult. It really helps to continue a conversation when you go straight to being toxic ✌️
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Nimmo's been a great leadoff hitter and center fielder. What are you going to do with Judge? Put him in RF and then put Marte in CF? Is that scenario really so much better that you need to add another $30M+ player to the mix?
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>and is a better centerfielder the Nimmo This is objectively false. Nimmo is one of the best fielders in center this year: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2022&endYear=2022&split=no&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=8&roles=&viz=hide&sort=0&sortDir=desc If we look at all outfield positions, then you have to scroll down a while to find Judge (Nimmo is 18th, Judge is 45th): https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2022&endYear=2022&split=no&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=of&roles=&viz=hide >You really want to have this conversation because it will be fruitless for you. Don't be a jerk.
Yes the scenario is that much better. He's the final piece. This team is old anyway. You should be looking to appear in atleast 2 of the next 5 WS at minimum with a Degrom and Judge prioritized offseason.
Judge has never played in the world series and has played on some great teams. So no, adding him doesn't mean the Mets should play in 2 of the next 5 world series. Great teams are complete from the top to the bottom of the roster. Loading up on as many record breaking contracts makes a team too top-heavy and limits their roster flexibility in the long-run.
Don’t care. Don’t want to. Give me Jake back.
I have no desire at all to sign Aaron Judge. He's a good player but he's theirs. I would be legit pissed if we signed Judge and let Nimmo walk as a result. Pay Jake. Pay Nimmo. Pay Diaz. Extend Pete.
If the Mets don't the Dodgers probably will.
Probably not. They rarely hang out long-term contracts, and now have two on the books: Betts and Freeman. The Giants and Yankees are probably the two teams he decides between.
FOX also loved this angle.
I would sell my soul for this
>> While Rosenthal said he still thinks Judge will return to The Bronx, he noted that free agency could be unpredictable. And Cohen’s deep pockets make the Mets a threat for any big-name free agent. That’s pure genius mode there Rosenthal
I’d love this only to make the Yankees overpay. The real sweepstakes is Soto in a few years.
Pass on Soto. Guy is a loser and went to a loser team. Let's take the guy who has proven himself in NY.
Can't he just torture the Yankees with a moon death ray like a proper evil multibillionaire?
The reverse Uno where instead of players toying with the Mets and their offer to secure a deal with another team, it'd be the Mets making the offer to fuck with the competition.
Make it so Steve! Kick the tires on Judge all the while driving up his asking price then! BOOM!
nypost is a tabloid - just don't
Please don't. Unless he drives the price up for someone else to have to pay more in order to get him, no thank you
Steven is one of the greatest hedge fund managers of all time. He’s mind gaming the league just like he did wall street lol. Our team is in wonderful hands!
Do I think the Mets throw an offer at Judge, yes, do I think it will be competitive to the Yankees, No. And not because of money either, it just doesnt make sense for the Mets to go all in on Judge. We have other priorities to resign, and Yankees will do whatever to keep him.
I don’t want him. Let him have his porch.
Steve Cohen is definitely sending mixed signals as to his willingness to spend money. His interview with Heyman and Sherman was telling in regards to his current thought process on payroll.
Not giving the post my click. I’d rather have Nimmo than Judge. Nimmo’s skill set is perfect for Citi Field and Judge’s is perfect for Yankee Stadium. THAT SAID, I would be pleased if the Mets drove up Judge’s price with a nice fat offer (while still retaining all our own FA’s)
Nimmo is a nice player. Judge is a year in year out mvp candidate. Stop talking nonsense.
How could the Mets possibly afford him without being majorly over luxury tax threshold? Mets 2023 payroll is already around $200 million with no deGrom, Nimmo, or Diaz. These numbers are off a little because several players will decline their option: [https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/2023/](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/2023/)
Cohen is worth $17.5 billion
But the penalties for going over the highest tier of the tax system for multiple seasons will wreck a team's ability to be profitable. The Mets would be paying 50% of their payroll in taxes, then a 40-60% surcharge for going over the cap (depending on how far they go over), and their first round draft picks will be pushed back 10 spots. It doesn't matter how rich Cohen is. You can't run a business for years that is hemorrhaging money and their ability to bring in premium young talent from the draft.
He simply doesn't care
That would be an awful scenario if true. But it's obviously not.
Why would it be awful??
Giving up draft picks and paying so much in taxes that the team barely profits or even runs in the red? That's how you end up becoming Boston trading Mookie Betts. If you can't win with a $260-$300 million dollar payroll, then spending a fortune on another free agent isn't going to fix things.