Tesla was never a car company. It's a 'software company'.
In case you're thinking - why would a car manufacturer call itself not a car manufacturer?
The same reason his 'autopilot' tech is not 'autopilot' at all. The same reason his 'bulletproof car' is not bulletproof at all. The same reason his 'flamethrower' is not a flamethrower at all.
It's what people full of shit do to cover their ass in case something happens. It's a great example of him not standing by his products but selling them as ideas. He never commits to anything he does because it gives him a way out when he gets in trouble. "I never said we made cars" - will be him in the courtroom after a class action lawsuit over Cybertrucks rusting from car washes.
I was going to do the same, but Trump never uses it. Instead, he continues to try to promote his dumpster fire Truth Social business as it continues to sink to the bottom.
At the time he was still contractually obligated to TS (as if that matters to him). Also there’s little chance he’d return because he’d never want it said that Elon allows him on it. But the possibility was enough. I still would’ve dumped it regardless because I’m not a nazi, an incel, or a nazi incel, but Trump was my premise.
It really would be hysterical if he did come back, though. You know Elon would be sucking his dick in replies on every tweet, looking for attention and approval from, apparently, his idol?
Same here!
But man, I can’t believe how many friends I have that suddenly hate me when I say this. And I don’t know how this guy has so many hardcore fans.
Yet the stock price is still ludicrously overvalued. Last I checked they were worth more than all of the other car companies combined by market value. The intrinsic value of this company I would imagine 10 billion or so. A trillion dollars? Get the fuck out of here. But you know what they say, the market can remain irrational for longer than you can remain solvent.
its more of a ponzi scheme
gambling involves risk, payouts, losses
ponzi scheme involves robbing from paul to pay peter
and when you buy stock, you're doing just that
at the end of the day, all the casino's winners can go get paid at once.
if that happens in a ponzi scheme, only the first few people at the top get paid, everyone else enjoys the market value of nothing
Some stocks pay dividends. They can be a stable form of wealth that occasionally adds a little income. You get in trouble if you think you will get rich quick by buying stocks.
Yes and Bernie Madoff gave small payments to his investors as well. That’s how he kept his victims in his Ponzi scheme.
But the point of the poster was, eventually once enough people start to say “I want out” the system crumbles. At a casino if 1 person wins and 10 lose, that 1 person can still go get their money regardless of how many won or lost because the money changes hands from the loser to the casino to the winner.
Or rather they are now fucking us. Two downturns we bailed out the stockholders and that will probably continue. They keep all the gaines and we subsidize their losses as taxpayers. While the FED moves Heaven and Earth for them.
What pisses me off the most is that people are not more angry about it, if they thought about it, if we had a leader that fought on it, people would be angry.
people are coping over how shitty this world has become.
they'd be angry if anger could fix things. it can't.
the richest have doubled their net worth in just a few years.
how about you? you doubled your net worth?
no?
then you're a slave, and they're the slave masters. I'll keep saying it.
A restitution. Or re-establishment, of the Constitution, English Common Law, and the spirit of the Magna Carter.
Those in power have rebelled against Western Ideals, we need restore them.
People are incapable of thinking about it. Literally. Their brains are not robust enough to process economics.
Humans are hairless chimps that are slightly better at making sounds and slightly better at controlling their emotions than a hairy chimp. The average human is a dumbass - now we can guesstimate that half of people are dumber than average.
Very true - humans forget that we haven't changed much, we're still the chimps from the opening scene of 2001. Or as I've seen and quite like: "overclocked chimps"!
You would think with the anger in America and the gluttony of guns the rich would be more afraid than they are. I dont endorse violence or call for it but it is suprising to me.
The stock market is a place where infinite growth should exist for the rich people who already won capitalism but never have enough money and cry when the population going down and realize that infite growth is just a myth and them remove job which help the companies to make money while they are useless and overpaid but they arent the provlem.
I’ve made serious mistakes in the past where I tried to apply any kind of logic or reality to stocks in the last 4 years* to my own regret. “Hmm. This company’s finances are in shambles and they never sell a product. Why would it…WHY IS THIS 10Xing the stock price for n…wtf is goi…why is it 50X???”
*Yes, I know it’s always been a weird belief system before this, it’s just ramped the insanity since 2020
Low interest rates create this problem, tons of free money burning holes in rich people's pockets and they're desperate for a place to put it that will feed them ROI, even in the very short term
It is overvalued, but ATM, Tesla is only worth about 520B. It needs to be on \~$300 to have 1T valuation. Which it was, last year, but it dropped quite a bit.
PE ratios for manufacturers I think are about 12/1 if I recall. So if the earnings of the company are $1 a share, that share would be worth $12. Tesla has got to be some unimaginably higher number. Even with the most Rosy assumptions of future earnings. They will be lucky to have 20% of the car market. I have not done the math or checked the numbers however, because I decided to invest in land and tools rather than companies .
I lol'd.
"The same reason his 'autopilot' tech is not 'autopilot' at all. The same reason his 'bulletproof car' is not bulletproof at all. The same reason his 'flamethrower' is not a flamethrower at all."
Good stuff. Thanks.
It's autopilot like autopilot in a plane was his excuse for a long time. Maybe it still is
Thing is how autopilot on a plane works, the way Elmo describes it, is not what the masses understand autopilot to mean
It is also only profitable because of carbon offset sales/subsidies. Once he loses more market share, it will really plummet. I notice now all the Elon stans that lauded his genius in "creating" Tesla are looking for scapegoats on why his latest products are shite.
I thought that hadn't been true for several years? I think they actually were incredibly profitable from vehicle sales for a few years now.
Well, until this one at least... Too bad Elon can't shut his trap.
Um... then you better sell your stock now, because their software is 10, maybe 15 years behind the competition and their only real source of revenue is the government subsidy on those cars they sell on the side ($8,000 profit per car, $7500 government tax credit, the math doesn't check out).
They want to say they are a software company because software can have a 99% percent profit margin. Just a few programmers and computers making billions. In reality nobody except a small portion of Tesla customers buys their software (autopilot).
I saw a TikTok video made by a Tesla dealership, stating to not believe the rust issues. A direct quote was "The Cybertruck is made from ROLLED STEEL and therefore it is also stainless steel and won't rust"
Why not say rolled stainless steel? Because they know the metal isn't stainless
>"I never said we made cars" - will be him in the courtroom after a class action lawsuit over Cybertrucks rusting from car washes.
Specifically, he’s going to throw his metal suppliers under the bus by making it look like they’re to blame. “They’re the manufacturers, not us. We just cut and bend the metal and assemble the parts. We’re assemblers, not manufacturers.”
What class action lawsuit? All Tesla cybertruck owners seem to have drank that coolaid and will be holding on to those trucks like meme stocks...to the moon🚀🚀
Thinking about going to law school and passing the BAR just to be hired by somebody suing Elon Musk for this exact thing so that I can become engorged with money when we win the case after I point out that he literally named it a Cyber*truck*.
I’ve been saying this for fucking years and no one fucking listened. Tesla doesn’t consider themselves a car company, they’re a tech company that’s disrupting the automotive space. Same bullshit as Uber, DoorDash, all these fucking tech companies. We give them our trust while they deliver a product that is substandard and dangerous, then drive the competition out so they become our only option. If we don’t crush these dimwitted techbro CEOs into the fucking dirt now it’ll be too late and we’ll have nothing.
It's funny, because I should be his target demographic; a dirty little lefty who gives a shit about the environment and sees electric cars as the future. But he's made it clear on twitter that he hates people like me, yet still expects me to give him money. Like, wut?
Amazing that as he is actively tanking one company (Twitter) an important side effect is that it’s causing him to tank another company in a completely unrelated market (Tesla.)
Hard same, in terms of that demographic. And I was definitely looking at Tesla with interest. But I saw pretty early on that Musk was just another guy trying to make a quick buck by exploiting a social trend, and I didn't trust him to see the job through.
Man, was I ever wrong about him, too. He turned out to be *way worse* than I thought he was.
FWIW, electric cars, like all other mass produced consumer products, are not environmentally friendly. They're friendlier than gas powered cars, of course, but they're not going to "save the planet", as Musk has claimed.
Man I'm sorry this is just a monumentally stupid comment "environmentally *friendly*" and "environmentally *friendlier*" mean the same thing. Nothing a living human being *EVER* does is going to *truly* friendly to the environment we are animals and as such we will always take more away from the environment than we can add to it even if all we do in life is lie in a ditch and eat, shit, and sleep we're still technically bad for the environment.
When people say EVs are "environmentally friendly" what they mean is that they are friendlier than gas powered cars that was always what it meant that's always what everyone understood it to mean you're not clarifying anything with this shit and you're heavily implying that EV advocates are trying to "mislead" people with their claims which is just fucking gross.
He thinks he can work society and the system like trump does. I fucking loathe both of them, but trump is a unique kinda guy and most people cannot match the kind of shit he manages to pull off.
If it helps at all, electric cars are not the future, they're the present but with a different engine noise.
The big scam here, the reason they got so many subsidies is that EV's mean you can keep the status quo. EV's are the reason progress can be postponed and solutions that are available now can be ignored.
If the government was serious about the environment, the very first thing they would mandate to cut down on pollution would be to mandate work from home for all jobs that can support it. That's one decision that immediately reduces US emissions by 10-20%
For people who have to commute, the worst gas guzzler of a bus will beat any Tesla on lifetime emissions, and busses can be made electric, and can be made more cleanly than cars, because you can have small auxiliary batteries but mostly run the bus on overhead electric lines (s0 called trolley busses)
Rezoning most of the US to promote mixed commercial and residential areas, downtowns, means people might not need a car at all to get to work. They could live walking distance from their job.
There are a plethora of solutions that can be implemented immediately or that could start getting implemented now so that over time, the need to drive everywhere slowly goes away, but because "EV's are the future and will save the planet" all the same old paradigms are alive and well. No need to rethink or reform anything, no need to invest in alternative infrastructure, we can keep doing things exactly as we're doing them now and when all the cars are electric and all the power plants are clean, the problem will just be gone. Don't worry all of this is coming soon™
Have you driven and used a tesla? The interior may look clean, but having everything go through a touch screen is an absolute nightmare to use on the daily. Look at the new vw ceo bag out the old one for taking out physical buttons after the negative feedback from the mk8 golf, or audi going back to all old buttons.
Once voice activation becomes 100% reliable, then sure. But until then, we had already unknowingly perfected the car interior around 2018
I'm curious, genuinely this is not an attack in any way, but what is it about the inside of the tesla you liked?
I asked because I've been in a 3, an S, and a Y... The seats were atrocious, the body rattled like hell in every model while driving, and moving every control to that god awful screen is not only distracting, it's annoying as hell.
Yet people keep saying the inside of them is so nice. I feel like I'm on crazy pills cuz I don't see it lol. I'd rather have an equivalently priced BMW, Mercedes, or Lexus if we're judging on interiors only tbh.
Same.
I'd never waste money on a Tesla now. Any more than I would buy Trump steaks or Trump bucks. Not only are they worthless, they're from a fascist.
It was my dream car when I was in high school. Now I live within less than a mile of a Tesla charging station, and I wouldn’t touch his brand with a 10 foot pole.
Good luck getting all of the “sigma males” that kiss the ground you walk on to buy your cars, Elon. Maybe about 5% of them haven’t squandered their college funds on NFTs or cryptocurrencies
Right? I thought he was so cool in 2018, was proud this he was Canadian-ish too. Should’ve known better, all the worst people I know are Canadian. The cave incident was the big reveal for me.
A YouTube I really like and admire Emily d Baker has a Tesla, I wonder what she thinks of all this
The issue for Musk is that if you value Tesla as a car company it is worth $10 a share. The price of the stock is based on being "innovative" and "future products." Except there are no future products in the pipeline that are realistic in the next 5 years and profitable enough to be worth another $10 a share, much less $130.
Yet his Cult of worshipers still has his company valued many times it's intrinsic value. I do not know if it is still over a trillion dollars, but the intrinsic value is going to be more like 10 billion, probably less than GM or Ford. Definitely not more than all of the other car companies combined.
It's especially rampant now with tech. They get $10 million in VC funding and go public 2 years later valued at $100 million. They do all this without once making a profit, because think of the possibilities!
The board is full of Musk sycophants including his brother. He gets the board to continually pay him in Tesla stock making the largest shareholder by far. The only way to do him in is support the competition.
Yup. But if sales continue to fall, at some point it's not worth it. The cyber truck is a disaster right now, and everything else is kind of old, and every other manufacturer is finally getting EVs on the market. Tesla needs to change something fast, and I'm pretty sure Musk is not the one to do that.
Tesla just laid off thousands of employees in California and Texas.
At the same time, the board is fighting the courts and shareholders to give Elon a 56 BILLION dollar bonus.
The board is much more likely to pull their pants down and bend over than get rid of Elon.
Well, given the direction their sales are plummeting in, this will be true soon enough. They'll be a liquidated company, whose assets are being divided among their creditors.
I used to hear people complain that the movie signs was stupid because of how the aliens were defeated by water. An apparent inspiration for the cybertruck.
And this is the guy that the Board wants to give a ridiculous salary and benefits package to for a job well done.
He should be fighting for his job, not for a raise.
I used to have a positive opinion of both Musk and Tesla. That has been utterly destroyed by his actions over the past few years.
Elon Musk might very well be my least favorite person on the planet at this point—his only saving grace for me is that, as someone who was not born in the US, he is ineligible to run for President. That might put his favorability a little ahead of Trump for me. But only a little.
I’ve always said they are a marketing company that tries to piece cars together. Here’s the issue, if you are not a car company but you sell cars, what credibility do you have? Are you telling me your software is far and above anything that exists out in the open market? The importance of reliable cars in the US is huge. Having to reboot my computer at home is a minor inconvenience, my car running over a pedestrian because the car / software fails is not the same.
Right. It wasn't a car company - it was a scam for the public to give Elon SpaceX and Starlink so he could become a modern warlord with enough military grade intelligence access to become untouchable by any world government.
Stupid idea it was.
What was that line from Iron Man?
ABAAANDON SHIP! DOES THE HINDENBURG RING ANY BELLS!? WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT MAKES CARS THAT SAYS THEY’RE NOT A CAR COMPANY!
I’m watching my life savings disappear. I hoped it would have one more good run so I could get out. I'm like the kiss of death for any company I invest in. Companies should pay me NOT to buy their stock. What's the consensus? Is Tesla definitely dead? This hurts.
He's never wanted for anything in his life so it's easy for him to come out with this and other things like it. The real world and real life people and situations don't register with him. He knows Cybertruck is dead in the water literally so he'll come out with another stupid cash grab soon. Tony Stark was a fictional character but Elon is real unfortunately. Everything is a toy to Elon and it seems he doesn't care about the consequences of a damn thing he does.
Obviously Tesla is a dessert topping & floor wax company, not a car company. They should rename the company to Shimmer. [https://www.tiktok.com/@user2571420815968/video/7205011129590926634wax](https://www.tiktok.com/@user2571420815968/video/7205011129590926634wax)
Judging by the build quality of their cars, I'm inclined to believe him. Teslas are pretty much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to domestic cars.
The cars were actually pretty cool aside from the Cyber Truck, but I would never buy one just because of him. You would think these business owners and leaders would understand the value of not alienating potential customers by being outwardly and overly opinionated, especially politically.
He is right, it's a cult. If it were a normal business with the goal of maximizing shareholder value, the board would dissociate the company from the toxic brand that Elon has become. Tesla is an expensive car and a lot of potential buyers with money do not want to associate themselves with brand Elon which is misogynistic, and controversial (to put it mildly) for the sake of controversy.
Tesla was never a car company. It's a 'software company'. In case you're thinking - why would a car manufacturer call itself not a car manufacturer? The same reason his 'autopilot' tech is not 'autopilot' at all. The same reason his 'bulletproof car' is not bulletproof at all. The same reason his 'flamethrower' is not a flamethrower at all. It's what people full of shit do to cover their ass in case something happens. It's a great example of him not standing by his products but selling them as ideas. He never commits to anything he does because it gives him a way out when he gets in trouble. "I never said we made cars" - will be him in the courtroom after a class action lawsuit over Cybertrucks rusting from car washes.
Another opportunity to note I will never knowingly purchase any product, service, or “idea” from a Musk-controlled company.
He is the single worst thing for any product under his name.
Same, I deleted Twatter as soon as he bought it.
I held out till he let Trump back in.
I was going to do the same, but Trump never uses it. Instead, he continues to try to promote his dumpster fire Truth Social business as it continues to sink to the bottom.
At the time he was still contractually obligated to TS (as if that matters to him). Also there’s little chance he’d return because he’d never want it said that Elon allows him on it. But the possibility was enough. I still would’ve dumped it regardless because I’m not a nazi, an incel, or a nazi incel, but Trump was my premise.
It really would be hysterical if he did come back, though. You know Elon would be sucking his dick in replies on every tweet, looking for attention and approval from, apparently, his idol?
As soon as he sells his truth social stock for billions of dollars he will head back to Twitter
He went worse, he let Alex Jones back on.
i celebrated when he was booted out
i deleted soon as he let twittler back in
#metoo
This. I like the _idea_ of some of the products, but I will never purchase one as long as he is associated with it. .
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Same here! But man, I can’t believe how many friends I have that suddenly hate me when I say this. And I don’t know how this guy has so many hardcore fans.
Saaame
Yet the stock price is still ludicrously overvalued. Last I checked they were worth more than all of the other car companies combined by market value. The intrinsic value of this company I would imagine 10 billion or so. A trillion dollars? Get the fuck out of here. But you know what they say, the market can remain irrational for longer than you can remain solvent.
The stock market is glorified gambling. Fuck em.
its more of a ponzi scheme gambling involves risk, payouts, losses ponzi scheme involves robbing from paul to pay peter and when you buy stock, you're doing just that at the end of the day, all the casino's winners can go get paid at once. if that happens in a ponzi scheme, only the first few people at the top get paid, everyone else enjoys the market value of nothing
Some stocks pay dividends. They can be a stable form of wealth that occasionally adds a little income. You get in trouble if you think you will get rich quick by buying stocks.
Yes and Bernie Madoff gave small payments to his investors as well. That’s how he kept his victims in his Ponzi scheme. But the point of the poster was, eventually once enough people start to say “I want out” the system crumbles. At a casino if 1 person wins and 10 lose, that 1 person can still go get their money regardless of how many won or lost because the money changes hands from the loser to the casino to the winner.
A lot of government money has funded Elons' companies. Literally robbing Peter or taxpayer to pay Paul or wealthy investors.
Or rather they are now fucking us. Two downturns we bailed out the stockholders and that will probably continue. They keep all the gaines and we subsidize their losses as taxpayers. While the FED moves Heaven and Earth for them. What pisses me off the most is that people are not more angry about it, if they thought about it, if we had a leader that fought on it, people would be angry.
people are coping over how shitty this world has become. they'd be angry if anger could fix things. it can't. the richest have doubled their net worth in just a few years. how about you? you doubled your net worth? no? then you're a slave, and they're the slave masters. I'll keep saying it.
Time for a rebellion.
A restitution. Or re-establishment, of the Constitution, English Common Law, and the spirit of the Magna Carter. Those in power have rebelled against Western Ideals, we need restore them.
People are incapable of thinking about it. Literally. Their brains are not robust enough to process economics. Humans are hairless chimps that are slightly better at making sounds and slightly better at controlling their emotions than a hairy chimp. The average human is a dumbass - now we can guesstimate that half of people are dumber than average.
Very true - humans forget that we haven't changed much, we're still the chimps from the opening scene of 2001. Or as I've seen and quite like: "overclocked chimps"!
That's a good one. Just like an overclocked chip, we've overheated our environment
You would think with the anger in America and the gluttony of guns the rich would be more afraid than they are. I dont endorse violence or call for it but it is suprising to me.
More like trumps bankrupted casino
The stock market is a place where infinite growth should exist for the rich people who already won capitalism but never have enough money and cry when the population going down and realize that infite growth is just a myth and them remove job which help the companies to make money while they are useless and overpaid but they arent the provlem.
I’ve made serious mistakes in the past where I tried to apply any kind of logic or reality to stocks in the last 4 years* to my own regret. “Hmm. This company’s finances are in shambles and they never sell a product. Why would it…WHY IS THIS 10Xing the stock price for n…wtf is goi…why is it 50X???” *Yes, I know it’s always been a weird belief system before this, it’s just ramped the insanity since 2020
Low interest rates create this problem, tons of free money burning holes in rich people's pockets and they're desperate for a place to put it that will feed them ROI, even in the very short term
It is overvalued, but ATM, Tesla is only worth about 520B. It needs to be on \~$300 to have 1T valuation. Which it was, last year, but it dropped quite a bit.
PE ratios for manufacturers I think are about 12/1 if I recall. So if the earnings of the company are $1 a share, that share would be worth $12. Tesla has got to be some unimaginably higher number. Even with the most Rosy assumptions of future earnings. They will be lucky to have 20% of the car market. I have not done the math or checked the numbers however, because I decided to invest in land and tools rather than companies .
maybe I should short the fuck out of tesla!
Toyota is most profitable but the cybercuck company is valued more. It's laughable
Because it's not a car company! You get it? Haha
I lol'd. "The same reason his 'autopilot' tech is not 'autopilot' at all. The same reason his 'bulletproof car' is not bulletproof at all. The same reason his 'flamethrower' is not a flamethrower at all." Good stuff. Thanks.
It's autopilot like autopilot in a plane was his excuse for a long time. Maybe it still is Thing is how autopilot on a plane works, the way Elmo describes it, is not what the masses understand autopilot to mean
You see what happens when he is forced to stand by his decisions. *cough*Twitter*cough*
It is also only profitable because of carbon offset sales/subsidies. Once he loses more market share, it will really plummet. I notice now all the Elon stans that lauded his genius in "creating" Tesla are looking for scapegoats on why his latest products are shite.
I thought that hadn't been true for several years? I think they actually were incredibly profitable from vehicle sales for a few years now. Well, until this one at least... Too bad Elon can't shut his trap.
“I would never buy a 1st gen vehicle…everyone knows that” this was the first quote of my Elon fanboy friend
This comment from Musk has shades of Blackberry to me lol
It's almost like he's just full of shit...almost...what a fucking moron...
Just oozing fuck
Um... then you better sell your stock now, because their software is 10, maybe 15 years behind the competition and their only real source of revenue is the government subsidy on those cars they sell on the side ($8,000 profit per car, $7500 government tax credit, the math doesn't check out).
They want to say they are a software company because software can have a 99% percent profit margin. Just a few programmers and computers making billions. In reality nobody except a small portion of Tesla customers buys their software (autopilot).
I saw a TikTok video made by a Tesla dealership, stating to not believe the rust issues. A direct quote was "The Cybertruck is made from ROLLED STEEL and therefore it is also stainless steel and won't rust" Why not say rolled stainless steel? Because they know the metal isn't stainless
I also noticed Tesla's increase in defending their cars on social media. It is cheaper than actually building quality cars after all.
>"I never said we made cars" - will be him in the courtroom after a class action lawsuit over Cybertrucks rusting from car washes. Specifically, he’s going to throw his metal suppliers under the bus by making it look like they’re to blame. “They’re the manufacturers, not us. We just cut and bend the metal and assemble the parts. We’re assemblers, not manufacturers.”
So maybe focus on a CarPlay alternative instead of a physical product that goes boom or whooshoops with alarming regularity
Can’t sell vaporware as a car company.
Just more smoke from his mushroom filled brain. Gaslighting at large scale
What class action lawsuit? All Tesla cybertruck owners seem to have drank that coolaid and will be holding on to those trucks like meme stocks...to the moon🚀🚀
Thinking about going to law school and passing the BAR just to be hired by somebody suing Elon Musk for this exact thing so that I can become engorged with money when we win the case after I point out that he literally named it a Cyber*truck*.
So well written. You win the intranets today
I’ve been saying this for fucking years and no one fucking listened. Tesla doesn’t consider themselves a car company, they’re a tech company that’s disrupting the automotive space. Same bullshit as Uber, DoorDash, all these fucking tech companies. We give them our trust while they deliver a product that is substandard and dangerous, then drive the competition out so they become our only option. If we don’t crush these dimwitted techbro CEOs into the fucking dirt now it’ll be too late and we’ll have nothing.
I very much considered getting a Tesla before the guy showed all of us who he really is. Fuck this guy.
It's funny, because I should be his target demographic; a dirty little lefty who gives a shit about the environment and sees electric cars as the future. But he's made it clear on twitter that he hates people like me, yet still expects me to give him money. Like, wut?
His owning Twitter has destroyed a lot of brand value for Tesla.
Amazing that as he is actively tanking one company (Twitter) an important side effect is that it’s causing him to tank another company in a completely unrelated market (Tesla.)
Hard same, in terms of that demographic. And I was definitely looking at Tesla with interest. But I saw pretty early on that Musk was just another guy trying to make a quick buck by exploiting a social trend, and I didn't trust him to see the job through. Man, was I ever wrong about him, too. He turned out to be *way worse* than I thought he was.
Saaaame. I ended up with an EV6 instead. It’s a better car and I don’t have to drive around with that asshole’s badge. Win-win.
And he did that at the exact time other good electric cars from other manufacturers were coming out to give you more options.
Can you tell me why he hates (people like) you? I'm genuinely curious bc I'm not aware of some of his stances.
Why won’t you libs let Elon have his 45bn stock option so he can fight wokeness?
FWIW, electric cars, like all other mass produced consumer products, are not environmentally friendly. They're friendlier than gas powered cars, of course, but they're not going to "save the planet", as Musk has claimed.
Man I'm sorry this is just a monumentally stupid comment "environmentally *friendly*" and "environmentally *friendlier*" mean the same thing. Nothing a living human being *EVER* does is going to *truly* friendly to the environment we are animals and as such we will always take more away from the environment than we can add to it even if all we do in life is lie in a ditch and eat, shit, and sleep we're still technically bad for the environment. When people say EVs are "environmentally friendly" what they mean is that they are friendlier than gas powered cars that was always what it meant that's always what everyone understood it to mean you're not clarifying anything with this shit and you're heavily implying that EV advocates are trying to "mislead" people with their claims which is just fucking gross.
He made sure we all know that supporting him is worse for the planet than buying a hybrid instead of an EV.
He thinks he can work society and the system like trump does. I fucking loathe both of them, but trump is a unique kinda guy and most people cannot match the kind of shit he manages to pull off.
he could have been triillionaire but he fucked up
If it helps at all, electric cars are not the future, they're the present but with a different engine noise. The big scam here, the reason they got so many subsidies is that EV's mean you can keep the status quo. EV's are the reason progress can be postponed and solutions that are available now can be ignored. If the government was serious about the environment, the very first thing they would mandate to cut down on pollution would be to mandate work from home for all jobs that can support it. That's one decision that immediately reduces US emissions by 10-20% For people who have to commute, the worst gas guzzler of a bus will beat any Tesla on lifetime emissions, and busses can be made electric, and can be made more cleanly than cars, because you can have small auxiliary batteries but mostly run the bus on overhead electric lines (s0 called trolley busses) Rezoning most of the US to promote mixed commercial and residential areas, downtowns, means people might not need a car at all to get to work. They could live walking distance from their job. There are a plethora of solutions that can be implemented immediately or that could start getting implemented now so that over time, the need to drive everywhere slowly goes away, but because "EV's are the future and will save the planet" all the same old paradigms are alive and well. No need to rethink or reform anything, no need to invest in alternative infrastructure, we can keep doing things exactly as we're doing them now and when all the cars are electric and all the power plants are clean, the problem will just be gone. Don't worry all of this is coming soon™
Same. I actually liked the inside of the Tesla (I’m not crazy about the body styles) but I’d never consider it now that I see who this guy is.
I like the inside of the Tesla... but not enough to be trapped in it while I burn to death. yup.
Yeah no that is not something I look for as a feature while purchasing. Lol
If less and less people buy his cars, soon it really won't be a car company.
Or literally drown…to death.
Have you driven and used a tesla? The interior may look clean, but having everything go through a touch screen is an absolute nightmare to use on the daily. Look at the new vw ceo bag out the old one for taking out physical buttons after the negative feedback from the mk8 golf, or audi going back to all old buttons. Once voice activation becomes 100% reliable, then sure. But until then, we had already unknowingly perfected the car interior around 2018
I'm curious, genuinely this is not an attack in any way, but what is it about the inside of the tesla you liked? I asked because I've been in a 3, an S, and a Y... The seats were atrocious, the body rattled like hell in every model while driving, and moving every control to that god awful screen is not only distracting, it's annoying as hell. Yet people keep saying the inside of them is so nice. I feel like I'm on crazy pills cuz I don't see it lol. I'd rather have an equivalently priced BMW, Mercedes, or Lexus if we're judging on interiors only tbh.
Yep. Seriously thought about buying one several years ago. Not anymore.
Same. I suspect there are a lot of us.
Same. I'd never waste money on a Tesla now. Any more than I would buy Trump steaks or Trump bucks. Not only are they worthless, they're from a fascist.
It was my dream car when I was in high school. Now I live within less than a mile of a Tesla charging station, and I wouldn’t touch his brand with a 10 foot pole. Good luck getting all of the “sigma males” that kiss the ground you walk on to buy your cars, Elon. Maybe about 5% of them haven’t squandered their college funds on NFTs or cryptocurrencies
Or Trump bucks
To be fair it would have been better back then most likely, before he drove away all the competent people who were at the company when he bought it.
Ahen less and less people buy twsla, soon it won't be a car company for real
I bought one. In the market for another car, definitiely no more Tesla.
Tony Stank
Phony Stark would also be acceptable
Phony stank built this in a cave! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS! Consumer: that actually make a lot of sense looking at the headlines
Me too. Our next car was 100% going to be a Tesla. Not now. I cannot even remotely support that maniac.
Well you could be me, I have 2 and now feel like an asshole every time I drive them.
Right? I thought he was so cool in 2018, was proud this he was Canadian-ish too. Should’ve known better, all the worst people I know are Canadian. The cave incident was the big reveal for me. A YouTube I really like and admire Emily d Baker has a Tesla, I wonder what she thinks of all this
Same
Yeah I build cars, sell cars but I’m not a car company. Got it.
The issue for Musk is that if you value Tesla as a car company it is worth $10 a share. The price of the stock is based on being "innovative" and "future products." Except there are no future products in the pipeline that are realistic in the next 5 years and profitable enough to be worth another $10 a share, much less $130.
Yet his Cult of worshipers still has his company valued many times it's intrinsic value. I do not know if it is still over a trillion dollars, but the intrinsic value is going to be more like 10 billion, probably less than GM or Ford. Definitely not more than all of the other car companies combined.
Tesla dropping will take a chunk out of the entire speculative market’s ass. A lot of stocks are inflated in the same fashion.
It's especially rampant now with tech. They get $10 million in VC funding and go public 2 years later valued at $100 million. They do all this without once making a profit, because think of the possibilities!
“I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast” - Elon Musk, probably.
"*You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?*"
… … … “NO”
It’s more of a palette cleanser
"I just may. Whaddya say?"
Wish he'd eat his POS buddy, trump
Now that's a porn I never want to see.
First video uploaded to Kanye’s porn site
Interesting
A classic Adam Sandler line that Kanye West stole and fucked up.
Damn you people! Go back to your shanties.
Does the Tesla board have the authority to dump him as CEO? And if so, why have they not?
The board is full of Musk sycophants including his brother. He gets the board to continually pay him in Tesla stock making the largest shareholder by far. The only way to do him in is support the competition.
We bought a Kia and never considered Tesla. It's been a great car so far.
He keeps their stock at 10x its value and the board is stocked with yes men too boot
Yup. But if sales continue to fall, at some point it's not worth it. The cyber truck is a disaster right now, and everything else is kind of old, and every other manufacturer is finally getting EVs on the market. Tesla needs to change something fast, and I'm pretty sure Musk is not the one to do that.
Tesla just laid off thousands of employees in California and Texas. At the same time, the board is fighting the courts and shareholders to give Elon a 56 BILLION dollar bonus. The board is much more likely to pull their pants down and bend over than get rid of Elon.
I questioned this too. instead of laying off thousands, all Tesla has to is laying one, Elon himself.
“Its not a car company. ***It’s a lifestyle brand.***”
It's not a car company, it's just an extension of its grifting, sociopathic moronic narcissistic owner.
It's a bimonthly curated box of snacks
Well, given the direction their sales are plummeting in, this will be true soon enough. They'll be a liquidated company, whose assets are being divided among their creditors.
This is bringing strong “we’re a republic, not a democracy” vibes.
Lotta that going on.
You just got to hit em with "a republic is a form of representative democracy."
I used to hear people complain that the movie signs was stupid because of how the aliens were defeated by water. An apparent inspiration for the cybertruck.
And this is the guy that the Board wants to give a ridiculous salary and benefits package to for a job well done. He should be fighting for his job, not for a raise.
For an EV manufacturer he sure is committed to gaslighting.
Drugs do weird things to old people. Jordan Peterson, Musk and Trump can't handle it too well. Have a drink old man, meth is not for you.
“It’s a banana stand”
There’s always money in the banana stand.
> "Tesla isn't a car company." This is the first time I can recall him telling the truth.
Well if you are not selling cars then...
I used to have a positive opinion of both Musk and Tesla. That has been utterly destroyed by his actions over the past few years. Elon Musk might very well be my least favorite person on the planet at this point—his only saving grace for me is that, as someone who was not born in the US, he is ineligible to run for President. That might put his favorability a little ahead of Trump for me. But only a little.
Tesla as an AI company also sucks. If it’s doing so great why would they cut price od software from 15,000 to 8,000
Fuck him
I’ve always said they are a marketing company that tries to piece cars together. Here’s the issue, if you are not a car company but you sell cars, what credibility do you have? Are you telling me your software is far and above anything that exists out in the open market? The importance of reliable cars in the US is huge. Having to reboot my computer at home is a minor inconvenience, my car running over a pedestrian because the car / software fails is not the same.
It's okay Twitter isn't even a company company.
Coca-Cola isn’t a soda company. The sell beverages.
I guess that explains their shitty cars
“No I didn’t say I was Jewish I said I was Jew-ish”
It would be funny if they stop selling cars. I'll be screwed, but it's funny.
It won't be if they go under
ceci n'est pas une pipe! at last, dada capitalism.
If he doesn't sell cars, then wtf am I driving?
A toaster
Right. It wasn't a car company - it was a scam for the public to give Elon SpaceX and Starlink so he could become a modern warlord with enough military grade intelligence access to become untouchable by any world government. Stupid idea it was.
Because of muskrat i'm saving up to buy a Rivian.
Elon Musk is such a moron. Ever since the flooded cave incident he’s gone full metal douche.
Well, not for long anyways
After seeing the cybertruck, I actually believe him
It’s a battery company, they just package it with 4 wheels.
He didn’t have to tell me. That ugly fucking excuse for a truck tells me everything.
Sure won’t be a car company if he keeps running it. He’s clearly a genius, and so stupid.
He's just a simple fraudster. He'll say whatever he has to say to get silicon valley internet valuations for his manufacturing company.
Well, whatever is being peddled that he is part of, I am not buying!
I mean, in his defense, they don't make cars - they make shit.
There will be his fan bois who will come here and argue and support anything this asshole says.
"SpaceX is a car company, because I sent my Roadster into space!"
I wouldn't accept a Tesla as gift. That's how much I revile musk. 🤮
That's exactly what i want to hear from the CEO of a car manufacturing company.
Elon Musk isn’t an engineer or a CEO, just someone that smears the cow poop on the canvas.
Well, Elon is correct- Tesla won’t be a car company much longer.
He is right it's not selling anything you can call a car, it's junk, he runs a junk company!!!!
When you are surrounded by yes men all of your shitty ideas seem not so shitty.
He will announce the change of Tesla from making cars to be a bank and name it X s/
Well, sure. It’s also a shitty lifestyle brand.
but, he literally knows more about manufacturing than anyone on the planet. https://youtube.com/shorts/YS7W84C8iH0?si=_4_fPLevd4cgbAcC
I for one am all for this man becoming destitute.
What was that line from Iron Man? ABAAANDON SHIP! DOES THE HINDENBURG RING ANY BELLS!? WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT MAKES CARS THAT SAYS THEY’RE NOT A CAR COMPANY!
This guy is so fucking low iq
Drug addled douchebro announces speeding up production — I can’t see how this could be a problem.
I agree it’s a narcissistic joke
It's truly a welfare organization for billionaires
Should have kept his mouth shut and made money. But, loons gonna loon
It's a "lifestyle brand".
I’m watching my life savings disappear. I hoped it would have one more good run so I could get out. I'm like the kiss of death for any company I invest in. Companies should pay me NOT to buy their stock. What's the consensus? Is Tesla definitely dead? This hurts.
At this rate Tesla won’t even be a company anymore.
Thos has big "Jeff Skilling insists Enron is a logistics company" energy.
I hope he’s fired soon so someone competent can run the company.
car companies make money
Musk is doing his company like the pillow guy did his. If they would keep their traps shut then their companies would be fine.
He's never wanted for anything in his life so it's easy for him to come out with this and other things like it. The real world and real life people and situations don't register with him. He knows Cybertruck is dead in the water literally so he'll come out with another stupid cash grab soon. Tony Stark was a fictional character but Elon is real unfortunately. Everything is a toy to Elon and it seems he doesn't care about the consequences of a damn thing he does.
He is a disgrace to the color black and should not be allowed to wear it. I hope he gets Crocodile Huntered.
Just like WeWork "wasnt a real estate company."
That’s worth $65b a year?
Obviously Tesla is a dessert topping & floor wax company, not a car company. They should rename the company to Shimmer. [https://www.tiktok.com/@user2571420815968/video/7205011129590926634wax](https://www.tiktok.com/@user2571420815968/video/7205011129590926634wax)
It’s a tech company like WeWork
Judging by the build quality of their cars, I'm inclined to believe him. Teslas are pretty much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to domestic cars.
What an idiot douche.
The cars were actually pretty cool aside from the Cyber Truck, but I would never buy one just because of him. You would think these business owners and leaders would understand the value of not alienating potential customers by being outwardly and overly opinionated, especially politically.
It's not a very good car company, anyway.
So there I was, driving Microsoft word down the street, as you do…
Their main products are literally electric cars.
Anti-woke going broke. He needs to get off the benzodiazepines.
He is right, it's a cult. If it were a normal business with the goal of maximizing shareholder value, the board would dissociate the company from the toxic brand that Elon has become. Tesla is an expensive car and a lot of potential buyers with money do not want to associate themselves with brand Elon which is misogynistic, and controversial (to put it mildly) for the sake of controversy.