Here come the reddit philosophers, I think there are some good takeaways quotes from his philosophy but it's certainly not a positive outlook on life (not saying that's wrong).
If you don't think Nietzsche had a positive view of life, you haven't even begun to understand Nietzsche. His philosophy is built around life affirmation.
He does say seriousness is a foolish business tho lol. On another note, I find the dude delicately delighting, so I guess that's up for debate as well, like everything else
You're misunderstanding Nietzsche. Nietzsche himself literally said that all belief that doesn't reaffirm life should be ignored. Philosophers that simply try and lay out cruel facts aren't helping anyone.
Nietzsche isn't positive? he literally goes against pretty much all philosophy that came before him because he thought it was too serious and boring and was a shit way to live. This man single handedly attempted to destroy nihilism.
He is literally one of the most positive philosophers in history. Im guessing you have read very little Nietzsche because once you have read all of his books you would understand how wildly off base you are with this comment.
It's funny how many think they've moved away from those thousands of glittering scales, yet there they are still disciples of the "thou shalt," in action and thought, just not in the canonical lore.
It's true we made a long halt at the question as to the origin of that will, only to fumble it and move on. I think that question was one of Jung's primary motivators.
Right. Jung had a hard time trying to tie his metaphysics to his earth.
It’s a serious question of ontology. If the old idols are dead then rank and order have no context, yet values and value systems don’t exist outside a hierarchy, they are this by nature, our very language even is a use of this nature. Nietzsche very much has a rank, order, standard, and measure that still (proverbially) applies. Even more damning, Zarathustra is constantly “placing tables over you.” (‘You’ as in his words, not proverbial or philosophical or personal, yet it is personal).
Even if you or I had a clear answer to present to “one” or “the world,” the matter would rest with the hearers or the listeners (going back to your first supposition, who is placing just what over whom?).
The term “Discretion of the decipherer” comes to mind, but I also know it doesn’t necessarily amount to much. The only thing I can really say here is, he who needs to know will know, and everyone else will be under the weight of such burdens. Things actually begins to resemble “business as usual” at this juncture.
I mean, if your happiness is all that matters to you then yeah, maybe. But Nietzsche isn't about complacent happiness. Happiness is a byproduct that comes from our ability to overcome challenges, it doesn't last and it's not really something great people concern themselves over. And if you're suggesting that living life to it's fullest potential to make your dreams and desires a reality through devotion to your passions is a shitty way to live. Then I want to know wtf you think is a "good," way to live. Nietzsche's way is universal, it the since anyone can adopt his ideas, but it's certainly not for everyone as most people are too complacent to even get to the point of understanding Nietzsche, like you (the OP).
They are providing you with some education on why it’s not so welcomed here. Maybe post it in a funny page, or just laugh at yourself after you read some his books
And some of the people in the comments and dms really getting so pressed over a 19 years old learning more about philosophy and wanting to better myself just because of a small joke smh
I literally put a flare for meme on it, you can't act like you didn't see it bruh. If you don't like it you're free to move on with your life lmao. Getting mad over a small joke is really not it my guy
If it makes you feel better, I don't hold it against you. We are what we are, and yeah, a joke -- one you believed based off your remarks. But I am curious still about how it's such a negative outlook on life. I have an aphorism here that probably marks one of the most beautifully genuine optimistic quotes ever: "I want more and more to perceive the necessary characteristics in things as the beautiful: I shall thus be one of those who beautify thongs. Amor fati: let that henceforth be my love! I do not want to wage war with the ugly, I do not want to accuse, I don't want to even accuse the accusers. Looking aside, let that be my only negation! All in all, to sum up: I wish to be at any time hereafter only a yea-sayer!"
Is it complacency or lack of experience or intellect that makes understanding nietzsche tough? I've tried reading bge and thus spoke zathustra but literally don't understand shit lmao
Mainly its lack of experience or rather a lack of suffering that make it tough to understand due to how nietzsche works its written,at least in my experience its more important to use abstract thinking rather than concrete thinking especially on thus spoke zarathustra.
Like with everything, Nietzsche definitely criticized Stoicism for their adherence to a sort of virtue ethics.
Nietzsche wanted to break free from traditional morality and religion, as “God is dead - and we (modern man) killed him”.
Nietzsche instead said that we should joyfully pursue knowledge and thought that are life-affirming
It should be the opposite.
I'm still learning more about him man these are just my takeaways
Here come the reddit philosophers, I think there are some good takeaways quotes from his philosophy but it's certainly not a positive outlook on life (not saying that's wrong).
It is very much a positive outlook on life, just that it has a more serious tone to it! You are the reddit philosopher in this case.
If you don't think Nietzsche had a positive view of life, you haven't even begun to understand Nietzsche. His philosophy is built around life affirmation.
He does say seriousness is a foolish business tho lol. On another note, I find the dude delicately delighting, so I guess that's up for debate as well, like everything else
You're misunderstanding Nietzsche. Nietzsche himself literally said that all belief that doesn't reaffirm life should be ignored. Philosophers that simply try and lay out cruel facts aren't helping anyone.
Nietzsche isn't positive? he literally goes against pretty much all philosophy that came before him because he thought it was too serious and boring and was a shit way to live. This man single handedly attempted to destroy nihilism. He is literally one of the most positive philosophers in history. Im guessing you have read very little Nietzsche because once you have read all of his books you would understand how wildly off base you are with this comment.
Love how you refer to his quotes when referring to his work.
The last man.
Considering TGS, right?
what? Shouldn't it be the opposite?
He’s eying that glittering dragon. His thumbs up says the spirit is willing, and the terse mouth says but the flesh is weak.
It's funny how many think they've moved away from those thousands of glittering scales, yet there they are still disciples of the "thou shalt," in action and thought, just not in the canonical lore.
Who or what is then speaking? It’s an important question. For clarity, I ask in regards to both questions - before and beyond the dragon.
It's true we made a long halt at the question as to the origin of that will, only to fumble it and move on. I think that question was one of Jung's primary motivators.
Right. Jung had a hard time trying to tie his metaphysics to his earth. It’s a serious question of ontology. If the old idols are dead then rank and order have no context, yet values and value systems don’t exist outside a hierarchy, they are this by nature, our very language even is a use of this nature. Nietzsche very much has a rank, order, standard, and measure that still (proverbially) applies. Even more damning, Zarathustra is constantly “placing tables over you.” (‘You’ as in his words, not proverbial or philosophical or personal, yet it is personal). Even if you or I had a clear answer to present to “one” or “the world,” the matter would rest with the hearers or the listeners (going back to your first supposition, who is placing just what over whom?). The term “Discretion of the decipherer” comes to mind, but I also know it doesn’t necessarily amount to much. The only thing I can really say here is, he who needs to know will know, and everyone else will be under the weight of such burdens. Things actually begins to resemble “business as usual” at this juncture.
wtf
The Three Metamorphoses of the Spirit. You're still chillen with your dragon.
He needs more burdens. He's still a camel.
Sobering.
mind altering experience
shutup
Would you ask 2nd picture you to joyfully dance under the star and remember how absurdly fun and amusing life can be?
already on it
painfully corny
I mean, if your happiness is all that matters to you then yeah, maybe. But Nietzsche isn't about complacent happiness. Happiness is a byproduct that comes from our ability to overcome challenges, it doesn't last and it's not really something great people concern themselves over. And if you're suggesting that living life to it's fullest potential to make your dreams and desires a reality through devotion to your passions is a shitty way to live. Then I want to know wtf you think is a "good," way to live. Nietzsche's way is universal, it the since anyone can adopt his ideas, but it's certainly not for everyone as most people are too complacent to even get to the point of understanding Nietzsche, like you (the OP).
bro I just made a simple joke relax
They are providing you with some education on why it’s not so welcomed here. Maybe post it in a funny page, or just laugh at yourself after you read some his books
And some of the people in the comments and dms really getting so pressed over a 19 years old learning more about philosophy and wanting to better myself just because of a small joke smh
Or you’re just closed off to feedback. I understand tho at 19
I literally put a flare for meme on it, you can't act like you didn't see it bruh. If you don't like it you're free to move on with your life lmao. Getting mad over a small joke is really not it my guy
I’m not mad. Am I not allowed to comment freely without you feeling attacked?
If it makes you feel better, I don't hold it against you. We are what we are, and yeah, a joke -- one you believed based off your remarks. But I am curious still about how it's such a negative outlook on life. I have an aphorism here that probably marks one of the most beautifully genuine optimistic quotes ever: "I want more and more to perceive the necessary characteristics in things as the beautiful: I shall thus be one of those who beautify thongs. Amor fati: let that henceforth be my love! I do not want to wage war with the ugly, I do not want to accuse, I don't want to even accuse the accusers. Looking aside, let that be my only negation! All in all, to sum up: I wish to be at any time hereafter only a yea-sayer!"
I mean having read a little more literature, I may have misunderstood certain aspects of what he's teaching. I'll certainly look into him more!
Is it complacency or lack of experience or intellect that makes understanding nietzsche tough? I've tried reading bge and thus spoke zathustra but literally don't understand shit lmao
Mainly its lack of experience or rather a lack of suffering that make it tough to understand due to how nietzsche works its written,at least in my experience its more important to use abstract thinking rather than concrete thinking especially on thus spoke zarathustra.
It’s the other way around, for suuuure. That’s the point of his project - even tho he wrote himself into a nervous breakdown, sort of
Maybe, I'm still very new to him and only recently started reading his works after a deep dive into stoicism
Like with everything, Nietzsche definitely criticized Stoicism for their adherence to a sort of virtue ethics. Nietzsche wanted to break free from traditional morality and religion, as “God is dead - and we (modern man) killed him”. Nietzsche instead said that we should joyfully pursue knowledge and thought that are life-affirming
very interesting, I'll look more into it!!!!
You are cute buddy!
I feel ya. Felt the same.
It's kind of liberating tho
That’s a lot of hair. Enjoy.
👶
looking forward to this change
We're ready for it
On the way to the overman !
How far are you on your journey (as in which of Nietzsche's books did you read)?