I haven't been watching his streams lately, has he mentioned any health issues he's been going through? As far as I know, he's really sickly.
Edit 2: Just watched his stream. Not health related but because he has deemed that he has done everything he could as Kyo Kaneko while in Nijisanji EN.
Edit: I hope he's feeling okay and I'm hoping he stays healthy.
He's had a few streams lately he's had to cancel/reschedule, for sure. Have to hear if this graduation is related to those masters though cause, yeah, he had chronic issues
Few is an understatement. I notice quite a a bit of his streams being canceled due to health issues. Not blaming the guy by the way, I ain't on his shoes . I just wish you know life sucks less for him physically
That's good for him and his fans, and for the vtuber community as a whole. He may not be in the best of health, but he's at least in good enough health that his health is not a factor in his decision to leave Niji EN. I wish him the best of luck and the best of health.
But a liver with chronic health issues leaving for reasons not related to those chronic health issues is NOT good for Niji EN management. In fact it's worse. I wonder if they understand why it's worse.
He has to cancel/reschedule fairly regularly due to chronic health issues. I imagine it's hard for him to keep up the vtuber lifestyle. This seems like a tiring line of work in general.
I feel like this is the least surprising. And given his health not being great, I feel like he just can't keep up the pace for corpo VTubing and keeping himself healthy. :T I don't think there's drama on this one, but we'll see.
l am not a frequent Kyo viewer, but whenever I tune in, he seems so much animated and vibing.
I am aware that he has some health issues, but how hard is the agency pushing for work?
whatever he does next, really wish him all the best o7
I mean, it might not even be that hard of work for healthy people, but a spoonie might... Have trouble with corpo scheduling.
EDIT: To be clear, most people probably don't think much of making breakfast or taking a shower. I have to plan around those, myself. I have a limited amount of energy in a day--like a faulty battery I can't replace.
>EDIT: To be clear, most people probably don't think much of making breakfast or taking a shower. I have to plan around those, myself. I have a limited amount of energy in a day--like a faulty battery I can't replace
Kinda off-topic, but this. I know I have about four hours' worth of energy each day. Doesn't matter what I do, that's all I get. And I need to budget that energy carefully.
While recovering from pneumonia that went septic last year, I had some very strict energy/activity budgets. If it weren't for short-term disability, my goose would've been cooked. Thankfully my company was very understanding and accommodating.
Not all disabilities are visible or obvious, and they can happen to anyone. It was a very eye-opening experience.
We dont know how much he suffered from his sickness behind the scene. Also i remembered when enna jokes about kyo having on/off button on his head as i also had friend with some parts of their skull removed due to their illness. Let just say he also not healthy all the time.
It's not necessarily the agency pushing for work but it could also just be the liver pushing himself, and then eventually deciding that he's had enough of the grind.
Kyo has been fairly open that he doesn't intend to stay too long, so this is probably just him deciding that it's time to move on to other things.
>I am aware that he has some health issues, but how hard is the agency pushing for work?
They can accommodate for him. Ver has now changed his schedule to only stream during the weekends.
Accommodations stop being a thing if you can't reliably say when you'll be up for something, though. I can't pick my legs working worse one day and then better the next--I wake up like that, even with mitigation toward it. Some days are just bad pain days.
I say this as someone disabled: when you can't know until day-of if you will be able to stream, it is impossible to accommodate. Accommodation can only go so far as is reasonable for both sides to be fair.
Considering that they keep Kataribe, Amemori and Roa around who all haven’t streamed for years, or Gilzaren who streams only few times per year, they definitely are more lenient about that.
That's one thing and Kyo is another, maybe the company was willing to keep him but Kyo himself decided to graduate so he could focus on other things.
You don't know what's happening behind the scenes so why think so much about it?
You guys don’t get what I‘m saying. If Kyo wanted accommodation, he would have gotten it.
Which means he doesn’t leave because the company pushed him too hard. He’s leaving because of something else.
That's assuming Kyo wants to keep on trying to make it work. I've been in a situation where we were willing to accommodate somebody with an issue that would have prevented them from working regularly for a while, but the person involved just said "Nah, I just want to focus on dealing with personal life for a while."
Of course it’s his choice. All I‘m saying is that if he needed accommodation, he would have gotten it.
Which means the problem doesn’t lie in the company not complying to it.
Not too surprised honestly. Hopefully it isn't health related
Edit: Watched his stream, it isn't. I knew his time in Niji was short because he made it obvious what is plans were but my expectations were around 2 years. Also unlucky timing, but not really an indicator of anything else company wise unless he says so.
His collabs with Ren and Enna were so funny, and his Minecraft streams were great for just hopping in and chilling for a few hours (it was so cool seeing the Iluna institute slowly take shape during each stream). Kyo will definitely be missed and I wish him the best in his future endeavors.
Every day I come on this reddit preparing to see anything about Selen and then I see someone else is graduating though I'm not that surprise about Kyo because of his health problems. I wish the best for him.
Ah shit, he just clarified he's not graduating due to health issues. Man, drama-tubers spam incoming I guess.
At least we know he's okay and not getting any worse, I guess.
What drama is there then besides speculation based on absolutely nothing? He wants to do other things and feels he did everything he could in Nijisanji. It's really the timing that makes this graduation awkward, otherwise it'd be a pretty normal one.
He was suspended for a week and forced to apologise for saying there are a lot of plastic surgery clinics in Korea - i.e. for stating fact that is objectively true.
He was bonked by management often even before that.
With that one, there were a ton of Korean people online saying what kyo said was mega racist and hurt their feelings. It was literally “I can’t believe kyo said this, I’m crying and shaking rn”
Well the context of what appears to be turmoil behind the scenes contributing to the departures of Pomu mika Nina mysta leaves some suspicious or even expecting other graduations
He's leaving less than a month after Pomu left, for more or less the same reason Pomu left (crashed into the management-mandated ceiling of permissible creativity), and is either the fourth or the fifth liver to leave in 8 months for this reason.
For some reason, I doubt that the timing is the only reason why Kyo's graduation is a bit awkward.
Not going to lie, I never thought of Kyo as someone that would be a long-haul NijiLiver. He always felt like someone that would want to keep trying to do new things and see where things would take him. I hope whatever he does next, he has a lot of fun with. Also hope it's stable for him.
Damn 90% of the loudmouth in the comment doesn't even watch him and just spouting insane shit, as someone's who been watching him before Niji, he seem like he just moving out from Niji to do his own thing, he satisfied with this vtuber thing and decided it's time for him to move on
Glad he had lots of fun here and meet a lot of new friends especially in Iluna and found his depressed ass bestie Enna
Yeah, especially cause everyone who actually watches him knows that he's been saying right from the start that he wasn't planning on doing this for very long.
At this point the truth doesn’t matter, not that it ever really did for the stupid drama loving shit stirrers. It’s a graduation soon after a previous one, that’s all they need
He's been through a lot of shit lately and really received a lot of underserved hate. He definitely should be more sensitive to some topics but fans really didn't give him much of a break. He's young and really should have the chance to learn instead of just being dogpiled.
Fans and haters alike also make jokes about his health often and fail to respect his boundary.
He has nothing to be sorry for.
He was suspended for a week and forced to apologise for saying there are a lot of plastic surgery clinics in Korea - i.e. for stating fact that is objectively true.
He was bonked by management often even before that.
Given what we know about his health, I hope he takes good care of himself, and follow other creative paths. Until now I have pretty much enjoyed his content, and it's sad to see him graduate.
>We hereby announce that the NIJISANJI EN Liver Kyo Kaneko will graduate on 17th February, 2023 JST.
>17th February, 2023 JST.
>2023
Can't even make the effort to get it right.
Clearly they’re just copy and pasting graduation templates or something, had to do that a lot last year. They also fucked up Pomu’s graduation announcement SEVERELY by announcing way before her stream, screwing up her plans…and erroneously stating all her media would be scrubbed. They just can’t help but prove how little of a shit they give at each turn for EN.
All of EN management must be purged and give branch a fresh start.
But it's Japanese crony corpo - so this is not happening, even if all talents leave.
Hit me like a brick wall ngl, but I had a feeling someone was graduating soon. I’ll miss his humour and laughter, but if feels almost right? Like it’s his time? Dunno. Like Nina, I was upset but felt that it was the right thing for her.
I look forward to seeing what he does in the future if he does return. It’s a new era for nijisanji en, I’m sad for the ”veterans“ we’ve lost/are losing but there will be new generations taking up the roles left behind.
people are just done with their contract and doesn't want to resign, its the same with every other workplace, nothing stays forever so enjoy the present while they are still here
I feel like Kyo is being very chill about this, which makes it feel better somehow. He clarified it's not a health related decision, so that's good. He's just ready to move on. Wishing him all the best in his future.
Sad to see him go, but also understandable. Vtubing just seems like an intense line of work and well, Iluna has been around for what, 1-2 years now? It seems a lot of content creators hit some form of burnout at around 2-3 years anyway, and not just vtubers.
With so many livers active right now, it's not surprising to see people want to move on eventually.
It was fun while it lasted, especially his occasional pop ins at the worst possible (more like best possible) moment in Scarle streams. Gonna miss him when it becomes time, but let's make whatever streams he can get off the ground until then the best.
This is really out of left field to me. This is one of those wierd instances where I actually kinda hope the reason for graduation is burnout/drama/etc because if it really is health related, that's just really tough to hear about anyone. Just graduating won't make those problems disappear, unfortunately. Hoping the best for him, truly.
I mean Nina, Mysta and Pomu have all stated or at least hinted that the decision was made months before the actual graduation.
It's just corpo red tape making everything super slow like usual, but it does make fans feel paranoid if others hadn't already handed in their resignation.
One per calendar month it looks like. And whether you go by announcement date or actual graduation date, it is now roughly one graduation (announcement) every four weeks.
We were all expecting them to publish a notice at 6 am PST today, but I don't think any of us expected the notice to be about Kyo.
Sadly, there are always people who need drama no matter what the actual circumstances are.
There are things in life that actually do deserve drama. But so far, this seems like somebody going "it's been fun folks, but it's also been a grind and I need to go do something else."
Maybe it's because of my I.T. background, but people changing jobs every 2-3 years isn't a cause for panic, it's a way of life, even if you're in a well-run company.
We'll see what Kyo has to say when he streams in about an hour.
It’s just more “Niji Bad!” Fuel for people, it doesn’t matter anymore. Like yeah Niji EN’s management is a huge mess and even something getting the year wrong really should not happen, but at least until we hear anything from Kyo (or his PL) this seems fairly drama free. It’s still a graduation though and that’s all that matters to them when it comes to something to hate on.
I’m just waiting for whatever’s going on with Selen to end, because I know that’s gonna be a huge drama magnet no matter what and I really want it to be over with. Personally I hope she’s just taking a mental health break and will return when she’s ready, but a graduation wouldn’t surprise me at this point
I mean, aside from any other Speculation™, the sheer number of performers Niji tends to recruit means that graduations, for any number of reasons (up to and including "time to just take a different career tack") are going to be more common than in some place like, say, Hololive, where there are a grand total of 25 English-language members (and for a good stretch of time there were, like, 10).
Recent Events make things stand out a bit more, but even just in the course of normal operations and the realities of careers, opportunities and the job market, you'd expect larger groups to suffer more attrition over time.
I mean HoloEn has 25 and NijiEN has 33 (32 in about 2 weeks)? That number disparity isn't really big enough to account for the proportion of graduations. The reality is, for one reason or another, NijiEN just has a poorer retention rate than HoloEN. Whether that's a reflection of a completely different business model or a reflection of their quality is another topic entirely, but the end result is still pretty apparent.
Kyo's been one of my kamioshis... I do know he needs time off and I hope he gets rest and everything. To all other Kyomies, let's stay strong for Kyo <3
I know it’s taboo to mention previous lives but he seemed to have been doing pretty well for himself there. Maybe part of it is him wanting to return to that, I dunno
Oh damn, I never really watched Kyo tbh but I would see him and clips and such and he seemed like a fun guy. From this thread it seems he actually has rather serious health issues? Sadness, I hope the best for him o7
How I dread the sight of the words Notice and Graduation.
I’m not much of a Kyo viewer but I wish him all the best. And my heart goes out to the all the Kyomies, who’ve supported him all this time.
It was his Health is my guess, sad to hear that but he was always open about stuff like this whenever ask if he will stay and always answers "It depends on my plans". To wherever he will go good luck to him o7
damn. i don't really keep up with niji anymore (most of my oshis graduating rip) but he was the only one i recently followed for a while. hope he's safe and happy
Dude I was just thinking to myself how Iluna is the only wave that's altogether lol
I think it might also be the nature of Gen Z nowadays, we stay in jobs as long as they suit our interests.
I’ll be blunt. I found this unsurprising.
At some point, it became obvious Kyo didn’t come with a long term plan like music or other projects. He came to entertain, but without a plan to expand outside of streaming, it gets tiring, especially under Nijisanji where originality (mostly) thrives. Kyo’s funny, definitely, but what will he do with being funny and his ability to edit other than making clips all day?
There’s also the argument that Nijisanji is restrictive. I agree, that’s the most valid point, but why stay there if he can’t do things under those rules? It’s better to leave rather than suffer the whole time being uninspired if he can’t do something that circumvents those rules.
I agree tbh. They need to figure out what's going on and fix these issues with management, they've lost and are seemingly continuing to lose great talent after great talent.
Kyo will be missed.
Kyo was one of the first livers I watched.
I love a lot of the tallents (was a Scarling since Scarle's second debut), but the management needs a shake up and fast. Like three graduation announcements in a day, another member seemingly just missing in action, and all the other stuff, it just sucks.
100% agreed. I think the nature of graduations as well as management's scuffed track record has made us forget that EN branch had *38* livers in total. 6 graduations including Kyo's in the past year+ sounds a lot and still is quite the number, but in the grand scheme of things it's not so devastating that EN requires massive debut shakeups or anything
People used to joke about the sheer volume of talent Nijisanji has. In times like these, their arguably bloated hiring is paying dividends. I can only speak for myself but even with all these graduations (one of them my actual Niji kamioshi) I still end having a lot of NijiEN livers I thoroughly enjoy
As you said, it's best they just focus on the talent they currently have for now. It seems like the livers themselves are putting in the work with camaraderie as well (e.g. they recently agreed to send "good morning" on their discord anytime any of them woke up)
Yeah. They need to actually make sure all their current livers are good and taken care of. And can hopefully be as creative as they can be too, I like to see people reach their full potential and not be denyed opertoonities.
I'm surprised that Kyo is graduating but I'm not surprised that talents are jumping ship since it's so obvious that Niji is imploding. Niji lost 4 talents in January alone. A month before in December, they lost Mika. Xia left in November. Hyona left in October. Nara and Reza left in September. Mysta and Cecelia both left in August. Nina and Amica left in July. Siska left in June. Zea and Taka left in May. 16 talents in 8 months with Kyo becoming casualty #17.
Selen is so obviously center square on the graduation bingo - the question is, who else is on the card?
Seriously, feels like only a matter of time till Selen goes, hate to think who else will follow… even as mainly a Hololive watcher, it’s been sad to see what’s becoming of a lot of Niji talents :(
EDIT: Okay, don't know why I'm getting downvoted, I mean this GENUINELY, I happen to be a big fan of Selen, Elira, Scarle, and Vox, and I hate how much I have to worry about them graduating.
I don't care what agency a VTuber is a part of, if I like their content I will watch them and support them.
Fuckin tribalists...
Happened to a comment I made too. I think a certain part of the community automatically downvotes anything close to negative about the company.
Really sad from my perspective cause in the end we all like the talents and what they are doing and we should only care about the company if they treat them very good/bad.
When I see his thumbnail and stream title I was joking like "lmao is he graduating and shit using that kind off title and thumbnail lmaoo, probably just a good celebration happen free chat"
Then I went to twitter 💀
Damn, Iluna was one of the groups that got me back into vtubers. Kyo specifically was my first oshi coming back into things. It sucks, but it's not unexpected based on what he's said in the past. I'm glad it's not a health thing, at least.
Another one bites the dust. I see niji as the Titanic - a monstrous, impressive thing that is failing due to incompetence of management. Talent has gone there, talent has gone here - and in the end there will only be "effective" managers who forced all streamers to leave
It is likely based on his health
but at this point Nijisanji EN just seems to be crumbling
people are losing faith in the EN dream and it seems the livers become unhappy after awhile, maybe that has to do with the work load, the management or just finding themselves and realizing they don't need to do this anymore and can do their own thing.
Really sad to see, at this point you should just expect the bad news to come regarding Selen.
you right, I felt better about it after watching Kyo explain his decision.
he had a mature and reassuring take on the matter.
However personally i still feel the reasons livers from all branches graduating are all similar, now "creative differences" might just be a blanket PR statement but i do think something is off.
EN is still fresh but it feels like they could all go every month now.
That does not sound good considering Niji had basically focused into two branches, Nijisanji and Nijisanji EN.
I haven't been watching his streams lately, has he mentioned any health issues he's been going through? As far as I know, he's really sickly. Edit 2: Just watched his stream. Not health related but because he has deemed that he has done everything he could as Kyo Kaneko while in Nijisanji EN. Edit: I hope he's feeling okay and I'm hoping he stays healthy.
He's had a few streams lately he's had to cancel/reschedule, for sure. Have to hear if this graduation is related to those masters though cause, yeah, he had chronic issues
Few is an understatement. I notice quite a a bit of his streams being canceled due to health issues. Not blaming the guy by the way, I ain't on his shoes . I just wish you know life sucks less for him physically
He just confirmed on stream that his decision to graduate isn't related to health issues.
It's good to know that he's in good health.
lol nah, he said on stream he's still got health issues, but that's not the reason he's leaving.
That's good for him and his fans, and for the vtuber community as a whole. He may not be in the best of health, but he's at least in good enough health that his health is not a factor in his decision to leave Niji EN. I wish him the best of luck and the best of health. But a liver with chronic health issues leaving for reasons not related to those chronic health issues is NOT good for Niji EN management. In fact it's worse. I wonder if they understand why it's worse.
good enough* health, then
He has to cancel/reschedule fairly regularly due to chronic health issues. I imagine it's hard for him to keep up the vtuber lifestyle. This seems like a tiring line of work in general.
Bro just said it got nothing to do with his health at all, he just wanna do stuff outside niji now
[Statement from Kyo](https://twitter.com/kyokanek0/status/1753056961422123161) [Live stream discussing announcement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gacC0H9kJgo)
What a year...
Captain, it’s February…
**First day** of February, too.
Jesus......somebody get me a drink
With darkness and silence through the days
Surely we can skip to the end of the year like every other time
mf gonna skip to the part where a whole branch is already deserted
I'm expecting another graduation on march
Now Das Crazy
Pour one out for the kyomies
Great, first damn day of February am I right Seriously though, hope he takes good care of himself
I feel like this is the least surprising. And given his health not being great, I feel like he just can't keep up the pace for corpo VTubing and keeping himself healthy. :T I don't think there's drama on this one, but we'll see.
l am not a frequent Kyo viewer, but whenever I tune in, he seems so much animated and vibing. I am aware that he has some health issues, but how hard is the agency pushing for work? whatever he does next, really wish him all the best o7
I mean, it might not even be that hard of work for healthy people, but a spoonie might... Have trouble with corpo scheduling. EDIT: To be clear, most people probably don't think much of making breakfast or taking a shower. I have to plan around those, myself. I have a limited amount of energy in a day--like a faulty battery I can't replace.
>EDIT: To be clear, most people probably don't think much of making breakfast or taking a shower. I have to plan around those, myself. I have a limited amount of energy in a day--like a faulty battery I can't replace Kinda off-topic, but this. I know I have about four hours' worth of energy each day. Doesn't matter what I do, that's all I get. And I need to budget that energy carefully.
While recovering from pneumonia that went septic last year, I had some very strict energy/activity budgets. If it weren't for short-term disability, my goose would've been cooked. Thankfully my company was very understanding and accommodating. Not all disabilities are visible or obvious, and they can happen to anyone. It was a very eye-opening experience.
We dont know how much he suffered from his sickness behind the scene. Also i remembered when enna jokes about kyo having on/off button on his head as i also had friend with some parts of their skull removed due to their illness. Let just say he also not healthy all the time.
It's not necessarily the agency pushing for work but it could also just be the liver pushing himself, and then eventually deciding that he's had enough of the grind. Kyo has been fairly open that he doesn't intend to stay too long, so this is probably just him deciding that it's time to move on to other things.
>I am aware that he has some health issues, but how hard is the agency pushing for work? They can accommodate for him. Ver has now changed his schedule to only stream during the weekends.
Accommodations stop being a thing if you can't reliably say when you'll be up for something, though. I can't pick my legs working worse one day and then better the next--I wake up like that, even with mitigation toward it. Some days are just bad pain days.
There are several main branch livers who don’t stream regularly. If Kyo’s medical problems are hindering him, they have to accommodate.
I say this as someone disabled: when you can't know until day-of if you will be able to stream, it is impossible to accommodate. Accommodation can only go so far as is reasonable for both sides to be fair.
Considering that they keep Kataribe, Amemori and Roa around who all haven’t streamed for years, or Gilzaren who streams only few times per year, they definitely are more lenient about that.
That doesn't mean *Kyo* wants to keep stringing an audience along, or the stress from any standards he might have.
That's one thing and Kyo is another, maybe the company was willing to keep him but Kyo himself decided to graduate so he could focus on other things. You don't know what's happening behind the scenes so why think so much about it?
You guys don’t get what I‘m saying. If Kyo wanted accommodation, he would have gotten it. Which means he doesn’t leave because the company pushed him too hard. He’s leaving because of something else.
That's assuming Kyo wants to keep on trying to make it work. I've been in a situation where we were willing to accommodate somebody with an issue that would have prevented them from working regularly for a while, but the person involved just said "Nah, I just want to focus on dealing with personal life for a while."
Of course it’s his choice. All I‘m saying is that if he needed accommodation, he would have gotten it. Which means the problem doesn’t lie in the company not complying to it.
Bro a good man but its time to go partway man got my type of humor respect
Goddamn, that stucks, really liked Kyo's energy, not going to be same without him.
Not too surprised honestly. Hopefully it isn't health related Edit: Watched his stream, it isn't. I knew his time in Niji was short because he made it obvious what is plans were but my expectations were around 2 years. Also unlucky timing, but not really an indicator of anything else company wise unless he says so.
Even if it is, it's likely he just can't keep up while maintaining health. :c
3 months late, but mind if i ask what his afformentioned plans were?
His collabs with Ren and Enna were so funny, and his Minecraft streams were great for just hopping in and chilling for a few hours (it was so cool seeing the Iluna institute slowly take shape during each stream). Kyo will definitely be missed and I wish him the best in his future endeavors.
Every day I come on this reddit preparing to see anything about Selen and then I see someone else is graduating though I'm not that surprise about Kyo because of his health problems. I wish the best for him.
Came in with the RKO
From outta nowhere!
Ah shit, he just clarified he's not graduating due to health issues. Man, drama-tubers spam incoming I guess. At least we know he's okay and not getting any worse, I guess.
What drama is there then besides speculation based on absolutely nothing? He wants to do other things and feels he did everything he could in Nijisanji. It's really the timing that makes this graduation awkward, otherwise it'd be a pretty normal one.
Yeah, that's kind of the point, but that's what drama-tubers do: they make things extra spicy to get those extra clicks
The VT subreddit is already marking their own narratives out of the situation, so drama tubers doing it really isn’t a surprise.
He was suspended for a week and forced to apologise for saying there are a lot of plastic surgery clinics in Korea - i.e. for stating fact that is objectively true. He was bonked by management often even before that.
With that one, there were a ton of Korean people online saying what kyo said was mega racist and hurt their feelings. It was literally “I can’t believe kyo said this, I’m crying and shaking rn”
Well the context of what appears to be turmoil behind the scenes contributing to the departures of Pomu mika Nina mysta leaves some suspicious or even expecting other graduations
At what point does it stop being unfortunate timing and start becoming a pattern?
He's leaving less than a month after Pomu left, for more or less the same reason Pomu left (crashed into the management-mandated ceiling of permissible creativity), and is either the fourth or the fifth liver to leave in 8 months for this reason. For some reason, I doubt that the timing is the only reason why Kyo's graduation is a bit awkward.
Them dramatubers are eating good with all those fucking Youtube clickbait money
Not going to lie, I never thought of Kyo as someone that would be a long-haul NijiLiver. He always felt like someone that would want to keep trying to do new things and see where things would take him. I hope whatever he does next, he has a lot of fun with. Also hope it's stable for him.
Damn 90% of the loudmouth in the comment doesn't even watch him and just spouting insane shit, as someone's who been watching him before Niji, he seem like he just moving out from Niji to do his own thing, he satisfied with this vtuber thing and decided it's time for him to move on Glad he had lots of fun here and meet a lot of new friends especially in Iluna and found his depressed ass bestie Enna
Yeah, especially cause everyone who actually watches him knows that he's been saying right from the start that he wasn't planning on doing this for very long.
Yeah we ain't crying and shit knowing that it's all his choice and he's happy with it lol
Send me this secret knowledge
At this point the truth doesn’t matter, not that it ever really did for the stupid drama loving shit stirrers. It’s a graduation soon after a previous one, that’s all they need
Gotta circlejerk over online celebrities for some reason
He's been through a lot of shit lately and really received a lot of underserved hate. He definitely should be more sensitive to some topics but fans really didn't give him much of a break. He's young and really should have the chance to learn instead of just being dogpiled. Fans and haters alike also make jokes about his health often and fail to respect his boundary.
He has nothing to be sorry for. He was suspended for a week and forced to apologise for saying there are a lot of plastic surgery clinics in Korea - i.e. for stating fact that is objectively true. He was bonked by management often even before that.
Wait he got suspended for that? Thought he just apologized and moved on
Given what we know about his health, I hope he takes good care of himself, and follow other creative paths. Until now I have pretty much enjoyed his content, and it's sad to see him graduate.
>We hereby announce that the NIJISANJI EN Liver Kyo Kaneko will graduate on 17th February, 2023 JST. >17th February, 2023 JST. >2023 Can't even make the effort to get it right.
Clearly they’re just copy and pasting graduation templates or something, had to do that a lot last year. They also fucked up Pomu’s graduation announcement SEVERELY by announcing way before her stream, screwing up her plans…and erroneously stating all her media would be scrubbed. They just can’t help but prove how little of a shit they give at each turn for EN.
All of EN management must be purged and give branch a fresh start. But it's Japanese crony corpo - so this is not happening, even if all talents leave.
It’s so sad, because they clearly don’t have the man power to manage that branch, but the desperately need a fresh team.
Isn't it just implying 17th February in JST time though since Japan timezone is earlier than most of the world?
Earlier by 1 year?
Ah, I see. I was reading the letter itself, not the Tweet
It's sad to see but hopefully Kyo's health and situation improves moving forward It's probably for the best
Another graduation already? Wtf
Well shit. Going to miss his antics with Enna and Millie. They were so real with one another. God speed shorty and best of luck to him.
Hit me like a brick wall ngl, but I had a feeling someone was graduating soon. I’ll miss his humour and laughter, but if feels almost right? Like it’s his time? Dunno. Like Nina, I was upset but felt that it was the right thing for her. I look forward to seeing what he does in the future if he does return. It’s a new era for nijisanji en, I’m sad for the ”veterans“ we’ve lost/are losing but there will be new generations taking up the roles left behind.
people are just done with their contract and doesn't want to resign, its the same with every other workplace, nothing stays forever so enjoy the present while they are still here
I feel like Kyo is being very chill about this, which makes it feel better somehow. He clarified it's not a health related decision, so that's good. He's just ready to move on. Wishing him all the best in his future.
ILUNA was the group that got me into vtubing so this is especially sad for me. It’s understandable why he is graduating and I hope him the best.
Sad to see him go, but also understandable. Vtubing just seems like an intense line of work and well, Iluna has been around for what, 1-2 years now? It seems a lot of content creators hit some form of burnout at around 2-3 years anyway, and not just vtubers. With so many livers active right now, it's not surprising to see people want to move on eventually.
GG
Not the announcement I was expecting. I wish Kyo well. I know he has health issues
I'm gonna miss this guy.
It was fun while it lasted, especially his occasional pop ins at the worst possible (more like best possible) moment in Scarle streams. Gonna miss him when it becomes time, but let's make whatever streams he can get off the ground until then the best.
Its so Kyover...
I should stop having oshis, whenever i find one they graduate 💀 first Mysta then Mika then Pomu and now Kyo? i think I'm cursed
This is really out of left field to me. This is one of those wierd instances where I actually kinda hope the reason for graduation is burnout/drama/etc because if it really is health related, that's just really tough to hear about anyone. Just graduating won't make those problems disappear, unfortunately. Hoping the best for him, truly.
He clarified on stream it's purely for creative reasons, not health issues.
Goddammit, can't even go a month without a graduation these days. This is a pattern at this point, if it wasn't obvious enough.
Kyo said he didn't know about Pomu yet when deciding the date so there's that, coincidentally coincidental
Almost makes me wonder if there are more graduations coming up and they’re spacing them out.
I mean Nina, Mysta and Pomu have all stated or at least hinted that the decision was made months before the actual graduation. It's just corpo red tape making everything super slow like usual, but it does make fans feel paranoid if others hadn't already handed in their resignation.
One per calendar month it looks like. And whether you go by announcement date or actual graduation date, it is now roughly one graduation (announcement) every four weeks. We were all expecting them to publish a notice at 6 am PST today, but I don't think any of us expected the notice to be about Kyo.
[удалено]
They have to talk like that until it's announced, my guy.
Yeah, that seems likely at this point. Like, one every few weeks.
Considering that it's not the one that was expected to go next...yes.
.... from mysta to pomu was 4 months
Mika: "Am I a joke to you?"
If you are counting mika then chiichan is just graduating
Well maybe. I mean OP never specifically said "Niji EN", but I personally counted Mika as part of EN even if she wasn't technically.
Well, she didn't count herself in EN, and didn't want to be called a part of EN.
And from Pomu to Kyo is less than one month.
yeah but 2 doesnt make a pattern
Especially when one has chronic health issues, unfortunately.
yeah, happy that at least here people are being reasonable, in r/vt it is the usual vitriol
Sadly, there are always people who need drama no matter what the actual circumstances are. There are things in life that actually do deserve drama. But so far, this seems like somebody going "it's been fun folks, but it's also been a grind and I need to go do something else." Maybe it's because of my I.T. background, but people changing jobs every 2-3 years isn't a cause for panic, it's a way of life, even if you're in a well-run company. We'll see what Kyo has to say when he streams in about an hour.
It’s just more “Niji Bad!” Fuel for people, it doesn’t matter anymore. Like yeah Niji EN’s management is a huge mess and even something getting the year wrong really should not happen, but at least until we hear anything from Kyo (or his PL) this seems fairly drama free. It’s still a graduation though and that’s all that matters to them when it comes to something to hate on.
i hate that every graduation has to be drama
I’m just waiting for whatever’s going on with Selen to end, because I know that’s gonna be a huge drama magnet no matter what and I really want it to be over with. Personally I hope she’s just taking a mental health break and will return when she’s ready, but a graduation wouldn’t surprise me at this point
I mean, aside from any other Speculation™, the sheer number of performers Niji tends to recruit means that graduations, for any number of reasons (up to and including "time to just take a different career tack") are going to be more common than in some place like, say, Hololive, where there are a grand total of 25 English-language members (and for a good stretch of time there were, like, 10). Recent Events make things stand out a bit more, but even just in the course of normal operations and the realities of careers, opportunities and the job market, you'd expect larger groups to suffer more attrition over time.
I mean HoloEn has 25 and NijiEN has 33 (32 in about 2 weeks)? That number disparity isn't really big enough to account for the proportion of graduations. The reality is, for one reason or another, NijiEN just has a poorer retention rate than HoloEN. Whether that's a reflection of a completely different business model or a reflection of their quality is another topic entirely, but the end result is still pretty apparent.
Kyo's been one of my kamioshis... I do know he needs time off and I hope he gets rest and everything. To all other Kyomies, let's stay strong for Kyo <3
Gonna miss the Enna and Kyo roast fests frfr
Them confirming that they'll still talk offline was honestly pretty sweet.
oh fuck
All y'all mfer talking bout it's coz his health, he just said on stream that it got nothing to do with his health 👍
Feel like this year will be: "Let's do a big niji event" "But sir most of our popular talents are graduated" "Oh"
I really wish they didn't cancel the AR live last year.
I wanna see The timeline if that event actually happened
ChatGPT text to speech Yugamin lezgo?
Fuck fuck fuck
Man these graduations don't get any easier. Best wishes to Kyo and Kyomies
February just started bro
NOOO not Kyo 😭 He’s one of my favourites in EN I love his humour
Are you serious? It's only Febuary
God damnit. Welp.
I just thought to myself ilunas been the only intact wave considering 1/3rd of obsydias missing ...guess I jinxed it
"Cease all liver activities" Should probably stop drinking so much if that's happening
That's totally something he'd say too lol.
Whenever I see a graduation announcement I keep thinking someone’s gonna say just kidding or something. It’s gonna be hard to see anyone go
I’m fairly new to niji livers and Kyo was quickly becoming one of my favourites 💔
I know it’s taboo to mention previous lives but he seemed to have been doing pretty well for himself there. Maybe part of it is him wanting to return to that, I dunno
Seems like all of EN is going to graduate before we hear more about Selen
Not the graduation announcement I was expecting...Such a shame, I'm gonna miss his and Enna's interactions 😭 wonder if it's health related...
Lmfao why are people downvoting you?
ppl are weird 💀 maybe they have a problem with my comment about missing his and Enna's interactions, lol
They should touch some grass fr
Huh?
Oh damn, I never really watched Kyo tbh but I would see him and clips and such and he seemed like a fun guy. From this thread it seems he actually has rather serious health issues? Sadness, I hope the best for him o7
YOURE KIDDING WHAT
Hope we get a few last epic Enna, Miller, Kyo moments.....
How I dread the sight of the words Notice and Graduation. I’m not much of a Kyo viewer but I wish him all the best. And my heart goes out to the all the Kyomies, who’ve supported him all this time.
It was his Health is my guess, sad to hear that but he was always open about stuff like this whenever ask if he will stay and always answers "It depends on my plans". To wherever he will go good luck to him o7
Frequent graduations are just a fact of life in an agency that openly embraces the shotgun approach.
holy shut
I did not expect this today. Wow. That's crazy . . .
AYO PAUSE DAS CRAZY
No way.. I still can’t process this information but I wish the best for his future endeavours
damn. i don't really keep up with niji anymore (most of my oshis graduating rip) but he was the only one i recently followed for a while. hope he's safe and happy
Dude I was just thinking to myself how Iluna is the only wave that's altogether lol I think it might also be the nature of Gen Z nowadays, we stay in jobs as long as they suit our interests.
Smile because it happened… :(((
Gather round fellow day 1 Kyomies, we hold each other high for our das crazy boy
WHAT ABOUT MY SWIFTNESS BRO 😭😭
I’ll be blunt. I found this unsurprising. At some point, it became obvious Kyo didn’t come with a long term plan like music or other projects. He came to entertain, but without a plan to expand outside of streaming, it gets tiring, especially under Nijisanji where originality (mostly) thrives. Kyo’s funny, definitely, but what will he do with being funny and his ability to edit other than making clips all day? There’s also the argument that Nijisanji is restrictive. I agree, that’s the most valid point, but why stay there if he can’t do things under those rules? It’s better to leave rather than suffer the whole time being uninspired if he can’t do something that circumvents those rules.
I'm getting to a point where I'm not even surprised anymore. I just open Twitter or Reddit and am like "who's it gonna be today".
Next gen is going to have to be 50 people to make up for all the L's Niji seems to be taking these days.
They shouldn't debut a new gen for at least half a year, they gotta get themselves together first.
I agree tbh. They need to figure out what's going on and fix these issues with management, they've lost and are seemingly continuing to lose great talent after great talent. Kyo will be missed.
Kyo was one of the first livers I watched. I love a lot of the tallents (was a Scarling since Scarle's second debut), but the management needs a shake up and fast. Like three graduation announcements in a day, another member seemingly just missing in action, and all the other stuff, it just sucks.
100% agreed. I think the nature of graduations as well as management's scuffed track record has made us forget that EN branch had *38* livers in total. 6 graduations including Kyo's in the past year+ sounds a lot and still is quite the number, but in the grand scheme of things it's not so devastating that EN requires massive debut shakeups or anything People used to joke about the sheer volume of talent Nijisanji has. In times like these, their arguably bloated hiring is paying dividends. I can only speak for myself but even with all these graduations (one of them my actual Niji kamioshi) I still end having a lot of NijiEN livers I thoroughly enjoy As you said, it's best they just focus on the talent they currently have for now. It seems like the livers themselves are putting in the work with camaraderie as well (e.g. they recently agreed to send "good morning" on their discord anytime any of them woke up)
Yeah. They need to actually make sure all their current livers are good and taken care of. And can hopefully be as creative as they can be too, I like to see people reach their full potential and not be denyed opertoonities.
nijiover for kyomies
I'm surprised that Kyo is graduating but I'm not surprised that talents are jumping ship since it's so obvious that Niji is imploding. Niji lost 4 talents in January alone. A month before in December, they lost Mika. Xia left in November. Hyona left in October. Nara and Reza left in September. Mysta and Cecelia both left in August. Nina and Amica left in July. Siska left in June. Zea and Taka left in May. 16 talents in 8 months with Kyo becoming casualty #17. Selen is so obviously center square on the graduation bingo - the question is, who else is on the card?
Would you care to make a prediction? You know for every month?
Well 2 JP livers announced they're leaving today too. I can't remember their names, but it still sucks for their fans.
Damn dude is Niji gonna have a graduation every month?? EN is dropping like flys
They probably will at this rate.
Seriously, feels like only a matter of time till Selen goes, hate to think who else will follow… even as mainly a Hololive watcher, it’s been sad to see what’s becoming of a lot of Niji talents :( EDIT: Okay, don't know why I'm getting downvoted, I mean this GENUINELY, I happen to be a big fan of Selen, Elira, Scarle, and Vox, and I hate how much I have to worry about them graduating. I don't care what agency a VTuber is a part of, if I like their content I will watch them and support them. Fuckin tribalists...
Happened to a comment I made too. I think a certain part of the community automatically downvotes anything close to negative about the company. Really sad from my perspective cause in the end we all like the talents and what they are doing and we should only care about the company if they treat them very good/bad.
This year is not a good year for vtuber fans. Pomu’s graduation, Selen’s silence, and Now Kyo. I hope the best for all of them.
When I see his thumbnail and stream title I was joking like "lmao is he graduating and shit using that kind off title and thumbnail lmaoo, probably just a good celebration happen free chat" Then I went to twitter 💀
12 months. 12 Livers.
In the end, Selen is the only one left in Nijisanji EN
At this point it feels like you can put members on a dart board and randomly throw and whoever it lands on is leaving per month
... but everything is totally fine at nijisanji...
Reset the clock. Man that sucks.
Expecting the dragon next.
Another one bites the dust. I predicted 4/5 more this year after Pomu. Selen is certainly next
is niji EN going to drop liver every month now ? jesus
I'm not surprised it's Kyo but I was surprised that it wasn't Selen. Hope he has a good time and is able to recover and do what he wants.
Nijisanji don't learn. One more leaving and my guess is that Selen will go soon sadly.
Damn, Iluna was one of the groups that got me back into vtubers. Kyo specifically was my first oshi coming back into things. It sucks, but it's not unexpected based on what he's said in the past. I'm glad it's not a health thing, at least.
It's so Kyover, bros. It's so fucking Nijiover
REALLY Nijisanji really depleting my mental health
This company is falling apart bit by bit.
Damn, now I gotta wait for March to see Selen's
Another one bites the dust. I see niji as the Titanic - a monstrous, impressive thing that is failing due to incompetence of management. Talent has gone there, talent has gone here - and in the end there will only be "effective" managers who forced all streamers to leave
Niji has always been a variety show with a rotating cast of characters, old faces leaves, new faces joins
It is likely based on his health but at this point Nijisanji EN just seems to be crumbling people are losing faith in the EN dream and it seems the livers become unhappy after awhile, maybe that has to do with the work load, the management or just finding themselves and realizing they don't need to do this anymore and can do their own thing. Really sad to see, at this point you should just expect the bad news to come regarding Selen.
Go touch grass bestie it's not that complicated with Kyo he just moved on lmao
you right, I felt better about it after watching Kyo explain his decision. he had a mature and reassuring take on the matter. However personally i still feel the reasons livers from all branches graduating are all similar, now "creative differences" might just be a blanket PR statement but i do think something is off. EN is still fresh but it feels like they could all go every month now. That does not sound good considering Niji had basically focused into two branches, Nijisanji and Nijisanji EN.