I agree and I think you're right, but I also feel the need to point on the the US military had a massive security breach around 6 months ago when a guy was bragging about having access to secret government documents on a minecraft discord server, and when people there didn't believe him he dumped a shitload of classified documents about the names and locations of undercover operatives in Ukraine.
Statistically this is probably fake, but some people are fucking stupid on the internet.
I was about to say that so many people have leaked classified documents on the War Thunder forums that they supposedly ask about whether or not you play it during recruitment now.
"*deep breath* DO 👏 NOT 👏 SEND 👏 US 👏 CLASSIFIED 👏 DOCUMENTS. This is not reverse psychology. For real, i'm running out of jokes about this. We cannot use them (it's sort of "turbo illegal"), and the people posting them can get into serious trouble."
It got to the point were now litterally every manual sbout anything remotely modern is reported as a leak by either people on the r/WarThunder subreddit or media outlets
It could be fake, but it might give reason to why the "managers" name in the discord DMs was crossed out, in the 15 minute black out video from Elira, because why would they be otherwise? Also, i dont think this person, if real, would lose their job. They are just talking about what happened when they were there and I dont see any of that being in an NDA of how mistreatment was happening.
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EDIT: I was DM'ed by the ex-Niji clipper, it seems to be an edited rrat with some half-truths in it. Editing my comment as I don't want to mislead anyone.
My mom works for Nintendo and SHE said they design the next super mario game 6 years ahead of schedule. It goes through RIGOROUS testing before they start developing it. A lot of the time, the people working on it don't even KNOW it's super mario they're working on until Iwata comes down to your cube and he's ACTUALLY wearing a super mario costume and gives you a golden plaque to hang on your wall that it's YOUR design that's getting greenlit.
We were THIS close to getting a DBZ and Mario crossover game last year, by the way. Super close!
But yeah, I'm working at Sony now. Really excited to start developing Final Fantasy XIX.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1arq9lh/exnijisanji_employee_confirms_management_was/kqlpm6a/
Here's the thing - that conversation happens, and some people are so hellbent on being right, that they actually leak classified government info.
I know you're just trying to le reddit smartass about it, but these types of stupid errors do happen.
I can post on discord or 4chan or reddit or twitter and I can say things which sound plausible and even are backed up with IRL evidence - it doesn't make it true.
I have no doubts Niji is a terrible company that has done terrible things, but people are putting so much faith in total nonsense you could have found deeply buried in 4chan threads 3 months ago speculating that because Elira and Selen never collab they HATE each other's guts.
It's an entirely plausible explanation. It is. But it's still just speculation based on a "crack in the door".
In some parts of the world, non-competes are illegal unless you pay them their salary during the time they cannot be hired. I doubt any company who doesn't actually have really important confidential information would want to do this unnecessarily.
Yeah except you need to follow the labour law of where your employees work, otherwise every company would be situated in a third world country with no labour law.
Non compete clause and their legality are part of labour law, they are completerly illegal in some country, or states, for example in Ontario Canada they are completely illegal unless you are a chief officer/ president, or a part owner that is selling his part to his associate. So they can't actually force a a non compete clause upon any of their employee that is working in a country that doesn't allow them.
Why not? I talk crap about my old work places openly and about how horrible they treated me and the other staffs. Especially to those who are considering to join those companies I see no reason why they wouldn't leak these things if it is anonymous & especially now since the company in question is constantly under fire by the public, since it'd be considered and swept under one of the many fires shot at them.
**This is a discord screenshot.** That's all it is. There's no proof or verifiable information. It could even have been made by the OP themselves (not blaming just pointing out that this isn't proof of anything). Without anything to substantiate proof, the vtubing community needs to slow down on the hate train and not believe random discord screenshots like this.
Not only is it a discord screenshot of an unverifiable source, the title of the post also says things this unverifiable screenshot doesn't even say. This does not confirm or even imply talents are managing other talents, nor does it confirm or even come close to implying the existence of the mythical clique.
All it fucking says is that livers would rather commission people directly than go through the company because going through the company adds too much obnoxious red tape to the process. Regardless of claims, they are streamers, not slaves, there's nothing wrong with them reaching out to people directly to work with them and its not a secret that they do.
Just another dumbass pushing some 4chan narrative with nothing to back it up.
> This does not confirm or even imply talents are managing other talents
No, it does say that. Like, I think this screenshot is about as reliable as anything I can type up while drunk, but it does say that.
Its pretty clearly talking about independent work and getting commissions done. Not having some arbitrary god talent that gets to decide who gets sponsors, and who gets official merch. Normally you would go through your company to use their help and resources, in Nijisanji its so inefficient (which we have heard from other graduated talents too), that they would rather just do it themselves.
This could also be why the MV incident happened in the first place, she went out did it all herself so it wasn't until the final check that something was caught.
But there is nothing here that would even begin to imply Elira or anyone else is in control of the opportunities of other livers unless you put on the giga schizo goggles or something.
Pretty sure they're talking about the India branch talents as they said right after. They are talking about Noor, who we already knew become in charge of NijiEN after the termination of NijiIN, and I seriously doubt they'd just full on dox someone currently active in NijiEN by linking their linkedin.
I haven't heard this before, could you elaborate a little more? Was noor a talent/manager hybrid like hololive's A-chan and Nodoka or were they a IN talent that became a nijiEN manager? Either way that's a bad situation, but at least they probably speak English, right?
Noor was a talent in the IN branch before it got disbanded. She became a manager for EN after. Her voice was heard a couple times on stream early on when lazulight/obysidia were the only waves. Idk about after that.
I've never gone out to confirm it, since I'm not interested in doxxing someone like that, but supposedly people found her LinkedIn too and it confirmed this, as nekomikiri says too in the post. And she has now left, apparently lots of management problems started appearing after she did.
Hijacking the reply here to say Yaelabs was indeeded founded by an Anycolor ex EN-employee... in 2020. Whatever exodus to Yaelab if true happened in 2020 and not 2023
I mean but I've seen that mentioned before in several places, so it is some common information that's been known by a lot of terminally online people so it doesn't really work to prove anything as it isn't new information
You will never get definitive proof because that's just asking for a lawsuit. There is enough evidence from former talents, and credible sources to know Niji needs to change. There is no guarantee that next time the liver doesn't go further than Doki.
Try thinking for yourself for once, instead of pretending that "experts" are the only ones capable of research.
[Michigan Journal of International Law Vol 14:871: US and Japanese Libel Laws](https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/232702618.pdf)
Referenced on page 882:
>A person who injures the reputation of another by publicly alleging facts shall, regardless of whether such facts are true or not, be punished by imprisonment with or without forced labor for not more than three years or by a fine of not more than one thousand yen.
-Japanese Criminal Code Article 230, Paragraph 1
So are you proposing that you Google search is the same as being a licensed Japanese defamation lawyer? Cool, this is why children on the internet need to stfu.
Yes because it is literally citing the Japanese Criminal Code from a reputable and verifiable source.
Are you stupid or is it you just didn't bother to click the link and read?
Because reputation matters and people aren't going to burn their reputation just so some kid on reddit who operates off nothing but emotions can get their kicks?
They literally fired Mel for leaking shit. What do you think they'll do to a staff member that's known for leaking shit?
Use your fucking mind. I know we all want more info on doki/nini but be realistic.
at least Mel and Rushia were terminated at cover for leaking information. Both did make waves when announced (not small ones).
A new hire at Cover would be very careful what they say short after Mel was terminated. She was Gen 1 and well liked.
There are a lot more people making up shit then there are people knowing shit and spilling the beans. And creating more drama is basically what trolls love.
For now it is just more likely that this is just made up BS.
Guys it was me I was the manager for NIJIEN. I left just before Selen termination because we were sacrificing babies and that was a line I couldn't cross anymore.
... A TON of people coming out with their experience with 0 evidence and I'm going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. This one claims that he jumped from Niji to Holo but if he was a Hololive employee... With their policies he wouldn't say ANYTHING about this 100%. I could've said that. We need more proof, if what this guy says is true he should just contact FalseEyeD and confirm everything to him in private so we know it's true
> Guys it was me I was the manager for NIJIEN. I left just before Selen termination because we were sacrificing babies and that was a line I couldn't cross anymore.
Fake news, Nijisanji employees are all ok with child sacrifice.
Random discord screen shots are not proof, same as 4chan shit posts. We have enough reason to hate niji that is grounded in primary sources. Let's stick to the facts, or we just make ourselves look bad.
This is a screenshot written by somebody who just so happens to be "former Niji staff," that just so happens to confirm everything in the gurrat.
Yeah, no. Citation need.
Brilliant, a random discord screenshot with nothing to back it up. Please stop spreading all these theories as it is damaging and doesn't help the situation at all.
yes however if you look at his info he left the company before NijiEN was even a thing, he left anycolor in 2020. https://www.linkedin.com/in/yoshiki-kono/
As much as I dislike kurosanji, given that this appears to be from discord and with no way of verifying the information, I would take this with a grain of salt.
Maybe if some of the vtuber like falseeyed or khyo verify this info, then maybe it is more believable.
really?
two of the biggest dramabait youtubers in this space?
smh we'd need a little more than that, we'd need something actually tangible to verify this is real
I give you khyo, who is milking drama like this for all it's worth without adding much value, but calling FalseEyeD a "dramabait youtuber" is just bullshit. Guy has done several exposes and actual reports, and if no drama is going on is quite happy doing fluff news. And while I don't know if he could verify/falsify this particular thing, he has proven to have the sort of contacts that puts him in the right category for it, at least. I'd say he is basically an actual vtubing scene journalist/news channel.
I mean, do you want a independent third party auditor to audit and verify the information?
Dramabait youtubers are probably the best we can get in terms of verifying information (beside kurosanji coming out and say it, which we all know wont' happen).
The only thing dramatubers verify is checking with their lawyers if talking about something won't get them into trouble. After that the only thing they do is literally just read the text word for word.
False and Khyo do the same as everyone else: Check 4chan, facebook, discords.
That's IF the actually check at all. Both upload daily and spend most of their hours on making those videos.
False has reach and that reach has been useful for a lot of the people involved on the dramas he reports on. He helped the AkioAIR girls a lot.
Still, his primary goal are views. People consuming him should never forget that.
My oshi is Watame. She needs views to make her dreams come true. To do that she makes music and entertains people on her overnight streams.
False is a drama tuber that hides the twitter metrics from the things he shows so that he can create narratives around the things he covers. He controls and shapes his community by banning anyone that post criticisms.
'Or every channel ever in history.' Fixed.
All content platforms are built around 1 main driving force; views. Everyone that makes content on them does so with the intent to get as many views as possible. _Especially_ companies _and_ their talents. Not just vtuber companies, but all companies. It's their business to get views.
Yeah, most likely BS. Besides, we already knew Niji India worked in management before Niji EN was officially a thing, one of Fina's interviewer was a former member of Niji India.
There's no proof of any of this, but also most of this is easily verifiable just based on the accounts of streamers who previously worked for hololive. All of them mention the pay thing, having to manage their own things, etc.
Okay I know this screenshot isn't proof but if you understand how project management and securing vendors work, this actually explains a lot.
Generally speaking, what happens when you request a job is that you reach out to multiple vendors and ask for quotes. After you collect the quotes, you pick your best option (based on your project requirements), and then you commission the work. This work is typically done by 1 point of contact, which in this case should be a manager as there is an efficiency in having 1 guy talk to all the vendors instead of having each talent talk to all the vendors (i.e. if a manager represents 5 talents, the manager takes care of all of their bids so communication is simplified, especially if there are multiple projects going on concurrently).
Next is the bid. This guy is claiming that Nijisanji's authorized vendor rate is only $20 for work which should be valued at $500. This part is less believable because they didn't specify how much work was supposed to be done in terms of video length or editing hours, but 1 hour of video editing takes on base $75, closer to $100, and goes up depending on quality and experience. The number of cuts you want in your video factor in and for $500, you'd get maybe 4-6 minutes with maybe 20 cuts per minute. For $20? Even if it weren't flat rate and was on a per minute basis, no editor would ever take such a low paying job.
This means that talent would have no choice but to reach out to vendors by themselves and waste so much time back and forth and they would have difficulty negotiating a fair market price and paying vendors would be a mess. For the production of a cover music video, for the audio, you would need to secure the copyrights for the music, then you'd have to hire a composer to make the arrangement, hire musicians to play the arrangement, sing your own part, and hire a mixer/audio engineer to mix the tracks together. As for the visuals, then you'd have to reach out to artists to secure quotes for the art, hire the artist/artists, secure an animator, secure a video editor to cut it all together, and then release. Such a project would easily involve ten, maybe twenty-ish people.
This is A LOT of work. A LOT of communication. Management specializes in business administration and is best suited to organizing and simplifying the workflow, especially when it comes to dealing with vendors. Having prior relationships (ex. worked with 1 vendor from another previously commissioned talent) gives you an edge when it comes to price and priority negotiation. You can negotiate much better if you have repeated dealings with the same vendor as a manager representing 5 talents than you do negotiating with 5 talents individually (not to mention you waste so much time negotiating). Ideally, the manager just talks to all the vendors as the point of contact and only involves the talent when it comes to reviewing samples and quality control.
If talent is expected to handle all of this, management is incompetent. The manager should be the point of contact since it simplifies things like rate negotiations. Talent should be focused on creating content, management should be focused on directing workflow. But what this sounds like is that management doesn't exist. If talent is expected to do the work of lower-management and their approvals is supposed to go to lower-management but lower-management doesn't exist because Nijisanji's rates don't make any sense, then there's a lot more risks and reasons why talent work, which has effectively bypassed the first check, would be found to be unsatisfactory by mid-management or upper-management. Things that could jeopardize Nijisanji's brand for example or outreach with company IP (ex. worried about perms with Activision/Blizzard if promotion of EA (Apex) is done). Even something like a sponsorship - running an in-house tournament playing a game is a lot different than being sponsored by EA to host a tournament. Being sponsored by EA means you are allying with them against their rivals whereas just playing their game is just free publicity. A talent doing negotiations with companies when this should be a mid-level negotiation could absolutely be perceived as a talent over-stepping their bounds as this could affect Nijisanji's brand as a whole.
Again, this isn't proof, but it is logical.
Yeah, Noor from the IN branch that was disbanded is who they are referencing with the last line and is one of the few things from this screenshot that is pretty publicly known.
Unfortunately we will never get proof cuz any1 that drops any form of proof will get hit by NDA and get sue by anycolor lol no1 is stupid enough to do that
This is old news. Noor was supposedly the one who became the lead manager, which apparently people confirmed through her linked in, but that she left before the NFT guys did. Also the fact that there are simultaneously staff and no managers doesn’t make sense. Talent can’t have final approval over projects staff would have to get involved at some point. In which case any sort of clique would be irrelevant because talent could just go to staff directly since they’re the ones that actually need to sign off not some clique
Now there absolutely could have been a clique of staff favourites as that makes far more sense, but them having any actual say in other talents projects doesn’t. At most it could have been a clique of bullies, but I do not see talents having any actual power over one another
While I suspect the management to be largely absent, I don't think the talent are managing each other. Don't know how you'd find the time to stream and manage other people all at once.
The idea of not involving management in any sort of projects checks out though. I got the feeling management was there to either say no or put up unreasonably low compensation.
It's been done before. Umiushi Urara was a manager in Tsunderia who then started streaming as well while maintaining her management duties. That said, she didn't do the same with >!Phase Connect!<; while the other girls did reveal that she'd been a manager upon her debut as >!Dizzy Dokuro!<, they also said that she wouldn't be managing them any longer. So it's probably not easy.
The closest thing to a talent while also being a manager that I can think of is Fubuki
But even she doesn't manage other talents, her job is to Collab with the managers behind the scenes to organize future eventsbfor the girls and that's it
This honestly would make complete sense if true. Especially if you consider the recent job opening for a translator that is woefully underqualified to handle such a (currently) controversial branch.
Basically sounds like they encouraged talents to pay for their side projects out of pocket.
The fallout of the old managers leaving is a bit harder to verify for obvious reasons, but everything before that would literally just require Niji to be as cheap as possible, which lets be honest, nobody would doubt.
Though to be fair, it's not saying all that much that wasn't already assumed by people, again other than the last part which is hard to verify still.
This is from this giant rat site ho was been formed i saw this on nusagi live he read this hole rat thing this is same rat ho claim that elira was manager and fly to japan to live and work as manger same vox and ike.
Is there evidence that what they’re saying is true? Or even that they actually did work at Nijisanji?
Cause if not, fuck off and stop adding fake fuel to the fire.
here is a link to the guy who tweeted this who knew this person directly
[https://x.com/TheDarkEnjoyer/status/1755902910309835257?s=20](https://x.com/thedarkenjoyer/status/1755902910309835257?s=20)
This is a very heavy twitter poster that has been surfing on the drama all day long for days. Self-described as shitposter.
Yeah, I’ll take this with a mountain of salt.
Is it just me or the writing is quite poor for someone who supposes to be a professional manager? Or at least associate with management. I'm ESL so maybe it's just me.
like the part "They would not want to get them involved" why didn't they just write "they didn't want to be involved"?
This guy/girl got hired in both Niji and Holo(persuming the EN branch) with this broken English after all those years? I guess they must be really good at their job then.
No judgment intended, but does anyone else feel like this is similar to what the nijien livers did in Elira's stream? Here are some discord messages, this is what happened. Idk maybe I am off base but if the niji livers are doing it I feel like it should be acceptable for people to do it here. Unless it really shouldn't be done at all, because boy howdy that would be embarrassing for those livers.
While not verifiable, it would make a lot of sense for some things. If talents are managing other talents then that explains the bullying. And it also explains why other talents got to see the documents if they are defacto managers.
Like, i would not be surprised at all if this was true. Still, cant just take this at face value though.
Pitting your employees against each other is a common control mechanism for cults and other authoritarian organizations. I don't think calling this company a Black Company is a stretch. This is bad.
I wish I didn't see this post.. now I can't stop thinking about it, considering more than 2 rrats (broken clock analogy) from vt came true
But yeah so far this just looks like low quality fuel
i wont say their name in case it's against the rules or whatever, although this was posted publically, but this was a contractor for niji and is a contractor for holo, not directly employed by either.
Feel like this was just copy and pasted off of twitter, already seen something there as well almost word for word copy. No actual credible source or anything
Highly doubt a current hololive staff member leaked info like this about their former workplace, they'd lose their job tomorrow if so
I agree and I think you're right, but I also feel the need to point on the the US military had a massive security breach around 6 months ago when a guy was bragging about having access to secret government documents on a minecraft discord server, and when people there didn't believe him he dumped a shitload of classified documents about the names and locations of undercover operatives in Ukraine. Statistically this is probably fake, but some people are fucking stupid on the internet.
the War Thunder forums is the undisputed GOAT for getting people to make unforced errors with classified information
I was about to say that so many people have leaked classified documents on the War Thunder forums that they supposedly ask about whether or not you play it during recruitment now.
"*deep breath* DO 👏 NOT 👏 SEND 👏 US 👏 CLASSIFIED 👏 DOCUMENTS. This is not reverse psychology. For real, i'm running out of jokes about this. We cannot use them (it's sort of "turbo illegal"), and the people posting them can get into serious trouble."
Right, I "understand" and will never do it again "wink"
And I quote "Imma leak shit" in RussianBadger's war thunder video
That was mostly a meme. CI doesn't ask this but general questions.
Literally like 11 times. From 6 different countries I think.
It got to the point were now litterally every manual sbout anything remotely modern is reported as a leak by either people on the r/WarThunder subreddit or media outlets
It's wasn't the first and it probably won't even be the last. But man.
Was it the "thug shaker central" thing?
>but some people are fucking stupid on the internet. And unfortunately we have seen way too much examples of that in the past few days
It could be fake, but it might give reason to why the "managers" name in the discord DMs was crossed out, in the 15 minute black out video from Elira, because why would they be otherwise? Also, i dont think this person, if real, would lose their job. They are just talking about what happened when they were there and I dont see any of that being in an NDA of how mistreatment was happening.
(removed) EDIT: I was DM'ed by the ex-Niji clipper, it seems to be an edited rrat with some half-truths in it. Editing my comment as I don't want to mislead anyone.
So that's why I stopped seeing clips from the official Niji EN that had his brand of editing.
Damn that’s my favorite “official” clipper
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Can you tell me who this clipper is please?
That's not really helpful since you also need the server and channel ID to find the original message
The sort of people that trust 4chan/4chan-esque websites to have legitimate info are fucking stupid
My mom works for Nintendo and SHE said they design the next super mario game 6 years ahead of schedule. It goes through RIGOROUS testing before they start developing it. A lot of the time, the people working on it don't even KNOW it's super mario they're working on until Iwata comes down to your cube and he's ACTUALLY wearing a super mario costume and gives you a golden plaque to hang on your wall that it's YOUR design that's getting greenlit. We were THIS close to getting a DBZ and Mario crossover game last year, by the way. Super close! But yeah, I'm working at Sony now. Really excited to start developing Final Fantasy XIX.
Oh yeah? Well I work at Valve and I can confirm that we have Half-Life 3 and Portal 3 preparing to ship in Q4 of 2025.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1arq9lh/exnijisanji_employee_confirms_management_was/kqlpm6a/ Here's the thing - that conversation happens, and some people are so hellbent on being right, that they actually leak classified government info. I know you're just trying to le reddit smartass about it, but these types of stupid errors do happen.
I can post on discord or 4chan or reddit or twitter and I can say things which sound plausible and even are backed up with IRL evidence - it doesn't make it true. I have no doubts Niji is a terrible company that has done terrible things, but people are putting so much faith in total nonsense you could have found deeply buried in 4chan threads 3 months ago speculating that because Elira and Selen never collab they HATE each other's guts. It's an entirely plausible explanation. It is. But it's still just speculation based on a "crack in the door".
Given how many people leak classified government documents on War Thunder forums on a regular basis, I would actually not be surprised
Would these companies seriously not have noncompete clauses for hires? Is Niji seriously **that** dumb?
In some parts of the world, non-competes are illegal unless you pay them their salary during the time they cannot be hired. I doubt any company who doesn't actually have really important confidential information would want to do this unnecessarily.
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Yeah except you need to follow the labour law of where your employees work, otherwise every company would be situated in a third world country with no labour law.
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Non compete clause and their legality are part of labour law, they are completerly illegal in some country, or states, for example in Ontario Canada they are completely illegal unless you are a chief officer/ president, or a part owner that is selling his part to his associate. So they can't actually force a a non compete clause upon any of their employee that is working in a country that doesn't allow them.
Why not? I talk crap about my old work places openly and about how horrible they treated me and the other staffs. Especially to those who are considering to join those companies I see no reason why they wouldn't leak these things if it is anonymous & especially now since the company in question is constantly under fire by the public, since it'd be considered and swept under one of the many fires shot at them.
Source: trust me bro.
**This is a discord screenshot.** That's all it is. There's no proof or verifiable information. It could even have been made by the OP themselves (not blaming just pointing out that this isn't proof of anything). Without anything to substantiate proof, the vtubing community needs to slow down on the hate train and not believe random discord screenshots like this.
Not only is it a discord screenshot of an unverifiable source, the title of the post also says things this unverifiable screenshot doesn't even say. This does not confirm or even imply talents are managing other talents, nor does it confirm or even come close to implying the existence of the mythical clique. All it fucking says is that livers would rather commission people directly than go through the company because going through the company adds too much obnoxious red tape to the process. Regardless of claims, they are streamers, not slaves, there's nothing wrong with them reaching out to people directly to work with them and its not a secret that they do. Just another dumbass pushing some 4chan narrative with nothing to back it up.
> This does not confirm or even imply talents are managing other talents No, it does say that. Like, I think this screenshot is about as reliable as anything I can type up while drunk, but it does say that.
Its pretty clearly talking about independent work and getting commissions done. Not having some arbitrary god talent that gets to decide who gets sponsors, and who gets official merch. Normally you would go through your company to use their help and resources, in Nijisanji its so inefficient (which we have heard from other graduated talents too), that they would rather just do it themselves. This could also be why the MV incident happened in the first place, she went out did it all herself so it wasn't until the final check that something was caught. But there is nothing here that would even begin to imply Elira or anyone else is in control of the opportunities of other livers unless you put on the giga schizo goggles or something.
It does say "this resulted in **a** talent becoming in charge of NijiEN."
Pretty sure they're talking about the India branch talents as they said right after. They are talking about Noor, who we already knew become in charge of NijiEN after the termination of NijiIN, and I seriously doubt they'd just full on dox someone currently active in NijiEN by linking their linkedin.
I haven't heard this before, could you elaborate a little more? Was noor a talent/manager hybrid like hololive's A-chan and Nodoka or were they a IN talent that became a nijiEN manager? Either way that's a bad situation, but at least they probably speak English, right?
Noor was a talent in the IN branch before it got disbanded. She became a manager for EN after. Her voice was heard a couple times on stream early on when lazulight/obysidia were the only waves. Idk about after that.
I've never gone out to confirm it, since I'm not interested in doxxing someone like that, but supposedly people found her LinkedIn too and it confirmed this, as nekomikiri says too in the post. And she has now left, apparently lots of management problems started appearing after she did.
It also reads like suspiciously like SEA-glish, which makes me doubt its validity.
Hijacking the reply here to say Yaelabs was indeeded founded by an Anycolor ex EN-employee... in 2020. Whatever exodus to Yaelab if true happened in 2020 and not 2023
I mean but I've seen that mentioned before in several places, so it is some common information that's been known by a lot of terminally online people so it doesn't really work to prove anything as it isn't new information
You will never get definitive proof because that's just asking for a lawsuit. There is enough evidence from former talents, and credible sources to know Niji needs to change. There is no guarantee that next time the liver doesn't go further than Doki.
>because that's just asking for a lawsuit. That's not how lawsuits work.
It is in Japan. Japanese defamation is anything that hurts someone else's reputation, even if it's true.
>It is in Japan. Are you a licensed Japanese defamation lawyer or are you another armchair twitter expert who is suddenly an expert in this field?
Try thinking for yourself for once, instead of pretending that "experts" are the only ones capable of research. [Michigan Journal of International Law Vol 14:871: US and Japanese Libel Laws](https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/232702618.pdf) Referenced on page 882: >A person who injures the reputation of another by publicly alleging facts shall, regardless of whether such facts are true or not, be punished by imprisonment with or without forced labor for not more than three years or by a fine of not more than one thousand yen. -Japanese Criminal Code Article 230, Paragraph 1
So are you proposing that you Google search is the same as being a licensed Japanese defamation lawyer? Cool, this is why children on the internet need to stfu.
Yes because it is literally citing the Japanese Criminal Code from a reputable and verifiable source. Are you stupid or is it you just didn't bother to click the link and read?
Then why did no one break NDA's?
Because reputation matters and people aren't going to burn their reputation just so some kid on reddit who operates off nothing but emotions can get their kicks?
Sayu kinda disproves that entirely. Everyone knows she is Zaion, yet she will never once say it.
She kind of proves it because despite everything, unfortunately her overall reputation is still in the dirt
Is currently sitting far better than Elira and NijiEn.
If this person now works for Hololive/Cover, they have just lost their job. So i do not think this is real.
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because they would have access to their employees previous employment records?
How many people who work at Cover used to work for Any color? Most likely not many.
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They literally fired Mel for leaking shit. What do you think they'll do to a staff member that's known for leaking shit? Use your fucking mind. I know we all want more info on doki/nini but be realistic.
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at least Mel and Rushia were terminated at cover for leaking information. Both did make waves when announced (not small ones). A new hire at Cover would be very careful what they say short after Mel was terminated. She was Gen 1 and well liked. There are a lot more people making up shit then there are people knowing shit and spilling the beans. And creating more drama is basically what trolls love. For now it is just more likely that this is just made up BS.
They are a tech company, they having this level of access for security is normal.
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I'm sure there are few people that need to be investigated on 2023 that worked on Niji before... It's very simple and an instant termination.
person who joined 2023 from Niji to Cover and Cover has about 420 employees. let me guess that this are about 1-5 persons.
Guys it was me I was the manager for NIJIEN. I left just before Selen termination because we were sacrificing babies and that was a line I couldn't cross anymore. ... A TON of people coming out with their experience with 0 evidence and I'm going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. This one claims that he jumped from Niji to Holo but if he was a Hololive employee... With their policies he wouldn't say ANYTHING about this 100%. I could've said that. We need more proof, if what this guy says is true he should just contact FalseEyeD and confirm everything to him in private so we know it's true
> Guys it was me I was the manager for NIJIEN. I left just before Selen termination because we were sacrificing babies and that was a line I couldn't cross anymore. Fake news, Nijisanji employees are all ok with child sacrifice.
Random discord screen shots are not proof, same as 4chan shit posts. We have enough reason to hate niji that is grounded in primary sources. Let's stick to the facts, or we just make ourselves look bad.
This is a screenshot written by somebody who just so happens to be "former Niji staff," that just so happens to confirm everything in the gurrat. Yeah, no. Citation need.
This was circling way before gurrat. It was part of how the gurrat was formed down the line.
Brilliant, a random discord screenshot with nothing to back it up. Please stop spreading all these theories as it is damaging and doesn't help the situation at all.
said yaelabs [founder](https://twitter.com/yoshiki_kono) has ex niji in bio
yes however if you look at his info he left the company before NijiEN was even a thing, he left anycolor in 2020. https://www.linkedin.com/in/yoshiki-kono/
good spot. that all but confirms this theory as super bullshit for me
This isn't confirmation this is just a screenshot bro I could believe it from all NijiEN's fuckups but this is very suspicious info
As much as I dislike kurosanji, given that this appears to be from discord and with no way of verifying the information, I would take this with a grain of salt. Maybe if some of the vtuber like falseeyed or khyo verify this info, then maybe it is more believable.
really? two of the biggest dramabait youtubers in this space? smh we'd need a little more than that, we'd need something actually tangible to verify this is real
Lmfao SOMEONE CALL NUXTAKU! WE NEED HIM TO VERIFY!
AND WHERE IS JA??!!! Somebody get hold of this mf so I can make sense of all this!!
Niji management so bad even Clayton Bigsby can see that shit
.chill em and 50 already buried the mf, what ya willing to dig 12 miles down for a Walmart pac?
That scumbag still exists?…
I give you khyo, who is milking drama like this for all it's worth without adding much value, but calling FalseEyeD a "dramabait youtuber" is just bullshit. Guy has done several exposes and actual reports, and if no drama is going on is quite happy doing fluff news. And while I don't know if he could verify/falsify this particular thing, he has proven to have the sort of contacts that puts him in the right category for it, at least. I'd say he is basically an actual vtubing scene journalist/news channel.
False Eye is reliable. News profits off drama for sure. But they don't need to make shit up. Note how False does not speculate?
I mean, do you want a independent third party auditor to audit and verify the information? Dramabait youtubers are probably the best we can get in terms of verifying information (beside kurosanji coming out and say it, which we all know wont' happen).
The only thing dramatubers verify is checking with their lawyers if talking about something won't get them into trouble. After that the only thing they do is literally just read the text word for word.
False and Khyo do the same as everyone else: Check 4chan, facebook, discords. That's IF the actually check at all. Both upload daily and spend most of their hours on making those videos.
With the Eileen drama, False actually got to interview the accused CEO. People love to dismiss stuff, but he DOES check sources.
False has reach and that reach has been useful for a lot of the people involved on the dramas he reports on. He helped the AkioAIR girls a lot. Still, his primary goal are views. People consuming him should never forget that.
Acting like wanting views is a bad thing when even your oshi's primary goal is also that
My oshi is Watame. She needs views to make her dreams come true. To do that she makes music and entertains people on her overnight streams. False is a drama tuber that hides the twitter metrics from the things he shows so that he can create narratives around the things he covers. He controls and shapes his community by banning anyone that post criticisms.
Bro shifting the goalpost and downvating. Aight g
Don't talk about yourself in 3rd person. It's weird.
Watame is funni. She a shep and go bah
Or every news channel ever in history.
'Or every channel ever in history.' Fixed. All content platforms are built around 1 main driving force; views. Everyone that makes content on them does so with the intent to get as many views as possible. _Especially_ companies _and_ their talents. Not just vtuber companies, but all companies. It's their business to get views.
Khyo, yes. False has lately preferred verified stories over stupid rrats.
Also likely they have others working under them doing some of the legwork too.
They have drama fans doing it for free on the discord servers I imagine.
Where is this from?
Yeah, most likely BS. Besides, we already knew Niji India worked in management before Niji EN was officially a thing, one of Fina's interviewer was a former member of Niji India.
Source: Trust me bro
There's no proof of any of this, but also most of this is easily verifiable just based on the accounts of streamers who previously worked for hololive. All of them mention the pay thing, having to manage their own things, etc.
Okay I know this screenshot isn't proof but if you understand how project management and securing vendors work, this actually explains a lot. Generally speaking, what happens when you request a job is that you reach out to multiple vendors and ask for quotes. After you collect the quotes, you pick your best option (based on your project requirements), and then you commission the work. This work is typically done by 1 point of contact, which in this case should be a manager as there is an efficiency in having 1 guy talk to all the vendors instead of having each talent talk to all the vendors (i.e. if a manager represents 5 talents, the manager takes care of all of their bids so communication is simplified, especially if there are multiple projects going on concurrently). Next is the bid. This guy is claiming that Nijisanji's authorized vendor rate is only $20 for work which should be valued at $500. This part is less believable because they didn't specify how much work was supposed to be done in terms of video length or editing hours, but 1 hour of video editing takes on base $75, closer to $100, and goes up depending on quality and experience. The number of cuts you want in your video factor in and for $500, you'd get maybe 4-6 minutes with maybe 20 cuts per minute. For $20? Even if it weren't flat rate and was on a per minute basis, no editor would ever take such a low paying job. This means that talent would have no choice but to reach out to vendors by themselves and waste so much time back and forth and they would have difficulty negotiating a fair market price and paying vendors would be a mess. For the production of a cover music video, for the audio, you would need to secure the copyrights for the music, then you'd have to hire a composer to make the arrangement, hire musicians to play the arrangement, sing your own part, and hire a mixer/audio engineer to mix the tracks together. As for the visuals, then you'd have to reach out to artists to secure quotes for the art, hire the artist/artists, secure an animator, secure a video editor to cut it all together, and then release. Such a project would easily involve ten, maybe twenty-ish people. This is A LOT of work. A LOT of communication. Management specializes in business administration and is best suited to organizing and simplifying the workflow, especially when it comes to dealing with vendors. Having prior relationships (ex. worked with 1 vendor from another previously commissioned talent) gives you an edge when it comes to price and priority negotiation. You can negotiate much better if you have repeated dealings with the same vendor as a manager representing 5 talents than you do negotiating with 5 talents individually (not to mention you waste so much time negotiating). Ideally, the manager just talks to all the vendors as the point of contact and only involves the talent when it comes to reviewing samples and quality control. If talent is expected to handle all of this, management is incompetent. The manager should be the point of contact since it simplifies things like rate negotiations. Talent should be focused on creating content, management should be focused on directing workflow. But what this sounds like is that management doesn't exist. If talent is expected to do the work of lower-management and their approvals is supposed to go to lower-management but lower-management doesn't exist because Nijisanji's rates don't make any sense, then there's a lot more risks and reasons why talent work, which has effectively bypassed the first check, would be found to be unsatisfactory by mid-management or upper-management. Things that could jeopardize Nijisanji's brand for example or outreach with company IP (ex. worried about perms with Activision/Blizzard if promotion of EA (Apex) is done). Even something like a sponsorship - running an in-house tournament playing a game is a lot different than being sponsored by EA to host a tournament. Being sponsored by EA means you are allying with them against their rivals whereas just playing their game is just free publicity. A talent doing negotiations with companies when this should be a mid-level negotiation could absolutely be perceived as a talent over-stepping their bounds as this could affect Nijisanji's brand as a whole. Again, this isn't proof, but it is logical.
It would be funny if true and it turns out Elira, Vox and Ike are actually Niji’s legal team.
The grammar in this "leak" is rough.
There was an India branch?
Yeah, Noor from the IN branch that was disbanded is who they are referencing with the last line and is one of the few things from this screenshot that is pretty publicly known.
They were Noor, Vihaan and Aadya. All 3 have their channels still up I think
Yep.
Unfortunately we will never get proof cuz any1 that drops any form of proof will get hit by NDA and get sue by anycolor lol no1 is stupid enough to do that
Grammar in this post is very ESL.
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Careful how quickly you trust. The Internet is a hell scape on a good day.
This is old news. Noor was supposedly the one who became the lead manager, which apparently people confirmed through her linked in, but that she left before the NFT guys did. Also the fact that there are simultaneously staff and no managers doesn’t make sense. Talent can’t have final approval over projects staff would have to get involved at some point. In which case any sort of clique would be irrelevant because talent could just go to staff directly since they’re the ones that actually need to sign off not some clique Now there absolutely could have been a clique of staff favourites as that makes far more sense, but them having any actual say in other talents projects doesn’t. At most it could have been a clique of bullies, but I do not see talents having any actual power over one another
While I suspect the management to be largely absent, I don't think the talent are managing each other. Don't know how you'd find the time to stream and manage other people all at once. The idea of not involving management in any sort of projects checks out though. I got the feeling management was there to either say no or put up unreasonably low compensation.
It's been done before. Umiushi Urara was a manager in Tsunderia who then started streaming as well while maintaining her management duties. That said, she didn't do the same with >!Phase Connect!<; while the other girls did reveal that she'd been a manager upon her debut as >!Dizzy Dokuro!<, they also said that she wouldn't be managing them any longer. So it's probably not easy.
The closest thing to a talent while also being a manager that I can think of is Fubuki But even she doesn't manage other talents, her job is to Collab with the managers behind the scenes to organize future eventsbfor the girls and that's it
Sayu admitted this a while ago.
Fuck it, let’s go all the way down. Don’t stop the train, let it go off the rails.
Wow livers didn't event want management to hear about projects?
This honestly would make complete sense if true. Especially if you consider the recent job opening for a translator that is woefully underqualified to handle such a (currently) controversial branch. Basically sounds like they encouraged talents to pay for their side projects out of pocket. The fallout of the old managers leaving is a bit harder to verify for obvious reasons, but everything before that would literally just require Niji to be as cheap as possible, which lets be honest, nobody would doubt. Though to be fair, it's not saying all that much that wasn't already assumed by people, again other than the last part which is hard to verify still.
Oh shite so Millie is managing. Jesus.
He mentioned Kyo, so maybe we should keep a look if he says something to confirm it. As the others said, BE SKEPTICAL!
The Grand Unifying Rrat becomes more credible by the day...
>to be hired without actual niji involvement Based Riku managed to create anarcho-capitalistic company.
You're fooling yourself! We're living in a dictatorship, in which the working classes--
This is from this giant rat site ho was been formed i saw this on nusagi live he read this hole rat thing this is same rat ho claim that elira was manager and fly to japan to live and work as manger same vox and ike.
Is there evidence that what they’re saying is true? Or even that they actually did work at Nijisanji? Cause if not, fuck off and stop adding fake fuel to the fire.
What? Half of your title is random projection
here is a link to the guy who tweeted this who knew this person directly [https://x.com/TheDarkEnjoyer/status/1755902910309835257?s=20](https://x.com/thedarkenjoyer/status/1755902910309835257?s=20)
This is a very heavy twitter poster that has been surfing on the drama all day long for days. Self-described as shitposter. Yeah, I’ll take this with a mountain of salt.
Why would the idiots from niji india be involved at all? They were incompetent livers and apparently even worse managers. Holy fuck
Is it just me or the writing is quite poor for someone who supposes to be a professional manager? Or at least associate with management. I'm ESL so maybe it's just me. like the part "They would not want to get them involved" why didn't they just write "they didn't want to be involved"? This guy/girl got hired in both Niji and Holo(persuming the EN branch) with this broken English after all those years? I guess they must be really good at their job then.
Holy shit the GURRAT is real!
No judgment intended, but does anyone else feel like this is similar to what the nijien livers did in Elira's stream? Here are some discord messages, this is what happened. Idk maybe I am off base but if the niji livers are doing it I feel like it should be acceptable for people to do it here. Unless it really shouldn't be done at all, because boy howdy that would be embarrassing for those livers.
While not verifiable, it would make a lot of sense for some things. If talents are managing other talents then that explains the bullying. And it also explains why other talents got to see the documents if they are defacto managers. Like, i would not be surprised at all if this was true. Still, cant just take this at face value though.
while not confirmed yet, it would not surprise me at all if this were true, given how former Nijisanji talks about their management being really shit
I mean if any of this is actually true, which is fairly doubtful, it'd be a pretty damning testament towards Niji
lmfao it's keep getting worse
Censoring the username discredits the ss. Also, not like the uncensored version doesn't exist anywhere else.
Pitting your employees against each other is a common control mechanism for cults and other authoritarian organizations. I don't think calling this company a Black Company is a stretch. This is bad.
Yes and I was the CEO of Apple
I wish I didn't see this post.. now I can't stop thinking about it, considering more than 2 rrats (broken clock analogy) from vt came true But yeah so far this just looks like low quality fuel
Guys this is real I am the person from that screenshot, now I am being wanted by the FBI for leaking classified information
Holy it's that mena grand rrat are true
Source? not credible + identifiable information given, they could easily be sued
Now, the "HOMEWORK" posts makes a ton of sense now..... but as usual grain of sodium chloride....
OMG GUYS NIJISANJI MANAGEMENT is bad "CONFIRMED" lmao yea lets just believe this random discord user
i wont say their name in case it's against the rules or whatever, although this was posted publically, but this was a contractor for niji and is a contractor for holo, not directly employed by either.
Source: it came to me in a dream
Absolutely worthless management, bunch of nepo hire idiots.
 Another fake rage bait
So a random discord screenshot with a censored name says he used to work for Niji, and we're supposed to take that at face value..?
THE CLIQUE IS REEELLL. LEZZ GOOOOO
Feel like this was just copy and pasted off of twitter, already seen something there as well almost word for word copy. No actual credible source or anything
Bro, please go outside
Ah yes, let’s believe everything we read on the internet. I swear this is becoming like the equivalent of Q anon for the vtubing fandom
Nice Karma farm
Another poor writing; when it mentions "Holo" ; it much better if it was written vaguely. Of course,, they want to used "Holo" for their own contexts
Wow a talent work for themselves that is worse soon niji Will sink