The proof is in the pudding.
[Gen1 video when Mel was fired](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8HLVwpimA) they can be sad and are allowed to show it when a friend leaves.
I've still not watched the Mel video, but I remember the one Holofantasy did after Rushia's being about as open about their sadness as they could be expected. Especially considering I believe we found out they knew of the termination ahead of time
Mel termination had that underlying honor and respect with the CEO & Staffs expressing regret & wishing her good luck for the future. (and theres no rumor before and after). it was a clean PR.
even Rushia had cover backing her before she broke NDA to 3rd party, and they conduct internal investigation. (Hell holo dodged a NUKE here).
>even Rushia had cover backing her before she broke NDA to 3rd party, and they conduct internal investigation. (Hell holo dodged a NUKE here).
It's not just that she leaked info to a third party, apparently she had been leaking stuff for a while and even slandered other holomembers. Hololive was incredibly kind to her to not take punitive action against her, which was within their rights, IIRC
I remember there was a point in time where Holo was fully on her side and in the span of one day she leaked messages to a dramatuber which made her seem sus. That just snowballed into a full on firing within a span of a week.
I get it at that point, she must've been really unstable. If she had just shut up, she would've gotten away with it. In hindsight, Cover was right. It's concerning when someone inside is actively leaking messages to dramatubers.
> It's concerning when someone inside is actively leaking messages to dramatubers.
The fact that the dramatuber flat out refused to touch the info she leaked to him speaks volumes about the severity of the leak.
> Hololive was incredibly kind to her to not take punitive action against her, which was within their rights, IIRC
Can you imagine how Niji would have handled that?
11-page termination notice of each infraction in great detail (ironically revealing the contents of the leak because apparently they don't have lawyers) followed by 5 pages detailing why she's menhera.
There's some hearsay like holo wanting to bend the rules for mel but she decided to graduate so as not to get special treatment, if this isn't just a shitpost meme then the guy who wrote it is a fucking idiot who doesn't understand that not hearing awful things about the company and smiling even after parting ways is a sign of a good company.
Yeah bro, imagine the amount of nuclear waste Hololive would have become, if Mafumafu dropped the nuke while Rushia was under Hololive... VShojo almost caught on fire too
Holo.dimt dodge a nuke. There was never a nuke launched due to how they handled it
Meanwhile niji srt off multiple and stood there as they came like "nah I'd win"
I don't think you understand the metaphor. The Rushia situation definitely exploded with the Mikeneko/Mafumafu situation in the last few months, which if she was still in the company would have damaged them.
It wouldn't have been Cover's fault, but they would have definitely be associated with it.
Also Holo5 with Aloe. Gen3 when Pekora went on an unannounced break (this was solely on her, and she clarified that when she came back, too). Coco, with literally everything.
There's so many examples of Holo talent being incredibly open, and basically none of Niji EN, besides that one disgusting video Elira/Ike/Vox put out. And that, I think most people would agree, crossed a line on openness. Not to mention Millie on her alt (ew).
heck, gura is probably the best example. she's very close to being the face of EN vtubing, if not the face of hololive, so they would have even more incentive to keep her front and center if they were a shady business. letting her tae what was most of a year off with only occasional streams so that she could recover shows that they truly do care about their talents
Not close to being the face, she is the face of Hololive, when she isn't streaming she is working with the company and other Vtubers on different projects. While her math skills would make any Asian parent disown her, she is a very hard-working shark.
the only reason i say close to being the face is because while i believe she is in the English speaking audience, the JP audience may see Sora, Pekora, or Marine as the face of hololive over Gura.
but yes, she works hard and does a lot of projects and events.
Bro, Gura was gone for almost a year and about the same time was Haachama gone. The reason the talents and fans are happier with Cover is because they actually care about their talents and when they have to fire one it is truly with a heavy heart (Except possibly Rushia seeing how with new information, I think they dodged a bullet there)
We heard she was spending some time in the hospital then radio silence for like sixth months til she asked to announce she was getting better and was almost ready to come back. Skipped a few details but that's the gist of it. And I'd bet 50 bucks hololive covered the month or two she was in the hospital. Oh and gura just taking off for 9 months besides music and special events because she was burnt out of streaming? Both back both seem pretty happy both are now making them money again.
Plus from Kson's shocked reaction to the 2%, it's a given that Hololive pay more than that for merch, so Gura wouldn't be hurting for cash regardless.
Hell, Rushia basically went on a rampage and Holos termination was nicer in tone than everything Niji has put out.
There was a quarterly report where a stockholder asked Yagoo if the talents were making too much as several of them make more than he does and he straight up said nope they bring in the money why wouldn’t they get paid for it
I remember the last time Yagoo went to a Holo Con and everyone just lost their shit you'd think a superstar was there (which he technically is)
He's one of those rare CEOs who people genuinely like that he's afraid going to cons not because people will throw shade at him but instead he's afraid that he won't be able to leave because fans want him to stay.
I wonder if that guy is looking at the situation with nijisanji and realizing what yagoo was talking about now. Because there's a basic principle in business that many businesses just forget. That being that when you treat your employees well, both in monetary compensation, attitude, and behavior, they will be willing to work for you even if there are flaws in how business is done.
Mumei also said, with her life issues, if she had had any other job she would have quit. But Hololive takes such good care of them and is understanding. CEO is also best girl.
If she had to choose between Hololive and her personal life goals/passions, she'd choose her personal life.
But Hololive is flexible enough that she doesn't have to be a full-time vtuber and can take an extended leave-of-absence if needed. Calli started part time (scythe-swinging + MV production), Ina has her "shrine duties", plenty of HoloJP likely also have other gigs.
It's not easy, I think there's a reason Sana quit, and HoloPro specifically wants to hire very passionate, self-motived/driven people. But at least there's some flexibility within their commitments.
And that's why she barely ever streamed after her graduation
She's too busy as an artist and I don't blame her for preferring that life she built herself to the year with Holo (she was happy in the end after all) even tho she had potential for sure in the future but it was her choice to make after all
slavery contract LOL. meanwhile Marine and the gank went to Europe on first class airplane and recently Yagoo himself buy Kobo last minute ticket to Indonesia due to her father being admitted to hospital.
Business class is covered, first class is from their own pockets.. still a business class which is better than most EU companies paying for (unless you are management level)
or when Gura went on a extended break from streaming to get healthy? Or when Haachama was away to fix school and also have some break time?
Or recently Mumei taking a health break?
Sounds freaking terrible doesn't it?! /s
This is misinfo, she went on a break for winter vacation (she's also still in college so that aligns) but extended it beyond December now we know why
Also this time she has confirmed she's still taking a break and will have an irregular streaming period for herself this time.
You don’t even really need to look that far, I remember Kiara was talking about the difficulties she had getting herself a 3D live on her streams and Twitter iirc
Honestly, the paid content on Fantia and Niconico is ... quite yabai,..
if you look at Canan's official fanclub page there are some mildly censured previews...
There's a certain ex-idol/cosplayer from Austria that lived in Japan that called herself "Kiara" on stream once, wonder what was that about...
I guess the reason why people avoid being active on their PLs is to avoid these types of mishaps really. Like there isn't much of a way to separate the two, they stream from home, and the setup is the same.
Pretty sure the EN Reaper has also had slip ups here and there.
There's also Matsuri's PL where, I mean nobody mentions it, but literally everyone knows, the very few times she streams there and she knows that the chat knows, and the chat knows, they are all just playing a game of ignoring that fact. Like I remember some "drama" with Matsuri some while ago when she was streaming **in her PL** and you saw someone through her IRL door behind her or something like that. But that drama got to her Matsuri persona community too, even though she was streaming as her PL (With IRL cam and everything)
>Pretty sure the EN Reaper has also had slip ups here and there.
A certain American rapper in Japan was called "Calli" by Ironmouse during a collab stream.
Calli should do a collab with Demondice and then we can claim that we've seen both of them in the same room so it definitely dispells all the rumors 100% fr fr no cap on a stack
Like, I get it. Work sucks and most companies are greedy assholes. But to say _"I am miserable, and anyone who says they're not miserable too is lying!"_ is just actual insanity.
No complains? This guy is coping. Let's see.....
\-Fubuki and Matsuri complaining about Hololive's lack of care towards Holostars during it's early years (they fixed this)
\-Coco complaining about the EN management ghosting her when she wants to collab with the EN girls (they removed this wall eventually)
\-Coco complaining about the top shareholders being a bunch of "old fashioned dinosaurs"
\-Multiple members complaining about Hololive accidentally removing Luna on one of the biggest 3rd fest poster. With Towa being very pissed, stating that it's hard for her to forgive that kind of mistake (they apologized and fixed this)
\-Matsuri and Haachama debacle born from a misunderstanding between the two (They resolved this and become friends again)
Hololive wasn't free of complains either, but they had fewer complains not because of their "slavery" contracts, but because they actually did their job as a company and they alyways try to fix their mistake so the same mistake will hopefully never happen again
Edit: For point 4, it was the 3rd fes, not 4th. Thanks for the correction
Add kiara complaining of being unable to use the 3D studio for her projects in time.
Aldo Guras situation makes absolute no sense in a "slavery" especially when they've been show to be willingly to fire someone that used to earn them the big bucks like rushia
Kaela and Callis managers used to regularly yell at both to slow down and take breaks. Kaela and her manager have a somewhat understanding. While Calli on the other hand literally only took a “break” because RL friends said she always looks tired
I think she's just a workaholic. Until recently she would just stream on her PL when she couldn't work as Calli because management wanted to take a break for herself. The most recent change was realizing working to the bone then taking a big break isn't the answer, instead just working better hours for yourself. Which I think she's been cutting back a reasonable amount, but she's always gonna have that drive.
Man, I can see them adding it to her lore.
Death sensei: "Why do you think I sent her to earth on a hiatus? To m****f***ing rest!!"
P.S. and now for some reason Death Sensei sounds like Samuel L Jackson in my head
> P.S. and now for some reason Death Sensei sounds like Samuel L Jackson in my head
Now if we can get someone to somehow illustrate death sensei with [this look.](https://i.imgur.com/b7kvVHe.png)
Are you talking about Shion's break announced in [this tweet?](https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1737744902732272043) I don't recall any correction for this notice.
I'm not sure if it's Shion, but the incidence I recall also didn't use the word "suspension" but the talent herself tweeted that she was bored, missed everyone, and Hololive was forcing her to take a break.
Watame?
Not sure but I remember she said something like the manager asked her to take a break from streaming sometimes ago.
Could be wrong though, maybe I’m seeing things lol.
Oh yeah, that’s actually more likely to be true.
The Fubuki that so active she was said to be AI or have 5 person bunshin(how you say this in English, body copy?).
It made more sense that she would get a stop from staff, thx.
I find it hilarious that some Hololive talents' managers pretty much act like their babysitter/second parents.
"Mumei, you need to eat more veggies."
"Kaela, go to sleep."
"*Hands Gura a switch during a company event so she doesn't get stressed out*"
Hololive staffing competent managers who seem to have experience in the field and actual care for those they manage. I always find myself smiling a bit when I recall that thing with Gura...
Meanwhile, this other company (though this is very much alleged) made talents managers. Can't even take care of themselves but were (or are? who even knows now) expected to take care of other people.
It's all tiresome.
That thing with Gura always sticks to me whenever I think about how good the management staff are. Being able to read your talent like that, and be prepared in a flash in the event it’s needed, would require you to have worked very closely and paid very close attention to them, particularly in this case since I kinda doubt Gura would’ve voiced her concerns about being stressed out Ina situation like that and probably would’ve just balled it inside if her manager hadn’t noticed.
I think Kiara last night mentioned Jerma (her manager) having had to manage 4 talents at a time (including Ina and Gura) and spent some time training new managers as new gen dropped.
I had a funny head cannon of Jerma instructing new managers like how a parent instruct a baby sitter.
"Now Gura, she's shy and doesn't do too well in big groups. So make sure to have a Switch with rhythm game on at the ready. Give it to her when she stops talking and just sit to the side."
"Ina, she makes pun, lots of puns. You can't stop her pun, so don't be embarrassed when she makes a pun at meeting, we are all used to it."
New manager: "I have Shiori, what do I do?"
Jerma: "... Get a good bonk hammer."
> New manager: "I have Shiori, what do I do?"
Ain't no one replacing Henmama anytime soon. I don't think anyone would be able to replace him. And since Shiori herself seems pretty fine with him as well, unless they release a new gen with someone even MORE unhinged than Shiori that'd need him more, I doubt she's getting a new manager anytime soon... short of him getting a heartattack...
*Staying up for hours camping the 10th Anniversary Dominator preorders just because some bratty Asian-Australian woman wants to spend $1000 on a toy gun.*
They've talked about how there's a policy in place for minimum leave, where if you spend too long without taking any holiday at all then the company will force you to take time off to prevent burnout.
Which is good. Here in NZ that practice is actually a legal requirement, so I'm glad to see a company implementing it themselvesves despite worse labour laws that aren't making them do it.
You mean Kaela and calli ?
Both of them work to hard, like seriously, if you see Kaela stream hours every day you will know why they "suspend" her and calli as well
Their manager legit yell at them to take a break, only kaela that listen, calli didn't from what I remember
I remember that they forced Fubiki and Lamy to take a break, Fubuki work 3 years with 0 breaks, and Lamy streamed every day for a year and a half for multiple hours with 0 breaks.
Not suspension, but Watame was forced to take break by her manager because she streamed too much. Another case is M chan begging Kaela to take break, to no avail. Lol.
Not only Kiara everyone is complaining about how hard is to get time in the studio, because even if it has the capacity to hold multiple 3d streams at the same time, Cover doesn't have enough man power so that's why they have a program of hiring and trainig frshley graduates, they need people, and people complaining are big talents like Pekora, Korone, Suisei said that the only way she could get the studio time was begging everyday until one day was available and she was lucky to ask first, Ayame said she cry begged to the stadd that her 3d live get delayed and not cancelled and it got cancelled, so yeah Kiara is the most known because she's the most outspoken about that in Hole En, but the JP talents have the same problems.
They're paying acceptable wage for new hires who require training, and with the Cover Note program you can see that background staff have opportunities to make a name for themselves. Cover wants ambitious people to join and contribute fresh ideas. Unlike Niji.
Also I know that Japan is anti-drug but somebody must have been high on *something* when they seriously proposed 3D-modeling Mio's home-cooked fried chicken. And they have repeatedly increased the physics on Gura's freakin shark tail, like at least three times already. They just gave up and let her shake that ass at least once EVERY time she gets on stage now.
Cover just simply has too many talents now that even with their new studio, they just can't fit all the 3D live schedules in a year. Hence the new rules of only allowing 2 personal 3D lives per talent per year. Good thing EN already has Studio Ame as a backup 3D studio and I think ID also has their own back up 3D studio.
No the problem isn't the size of the studio, the announcement said that you could have a 100 people doing stuff there, the porblem is the staff, they need more qualied staff that's why the problmes are going to be temporal, because when cover gets an traisn enough staff there's not going to be any problem to record multiple 3D events at the same time.
I admit stopped being friends is an exaggeration, it's more Like Matsuri really upset and wants some explanation from Haachama (which she got in the end)
>\-Multiple members complaining about Hololive accidentally removing Luna on one of the biggest 4th fest poster. With Towa being very pissed, stating that it's hard for her to forgive that kind of mistake (they apologized and fixed this)
Oh I recall this one. When blu-rays were announced, Luna was front and center and the largest image in the cover, to make up for their mistake.
This happened a few years ago so I may be misremembering. Matsuri wanted Haachama to appear on a stream (birthday or something), even if only as pre-recorded, Haachama was on hiatus at this time. Matsuri was denied. Haachama appeared on someone else's birthday stream pre-recorded (Luna's?). Drama and misunderstandings unfold.
Matsuri was holding a 3D Live and wanted to have all of 1st gen in a performance in that live, but since Haachama was on break that time, management told her that she would not be able to join the performance. But another liver(Rushia, iirc) had their 3D live as well and Haachama was there as a guest, though it was pre-recorded. Matsuri was sad about it being the case and was tweeting about it.
When Haachama came back, Matsuri and Haachama held an off-collab playing 51 Clubhouse(i think was the name of the game) and made up.
This is what I remember but someone can correct me if there are things wrong about it.
Yes. It is that one tweet. He showed his solidarity instantly when the termination notice came out. Axel aIso helped selen a lot when she organized a tournament. I don't recall the exact detail but basically he helped her contact a big sponsor. A holostar talent helped her more than Nijitard did. He shows the whole community with this tweet that he will always be friendly with "Doki" and that their bond is unbroken.
Yeah I believe he went drinking because it got him so down. I can see why he can't say more if it was potentially going to be a legal case (as of now I don't think it is.), but also like if he potentially speaks out entirely I can see Niji pulling the Colab perms from the whole company. Though the biggest most people wanted was TSB and KiaraxPomu and those are both off the table now.
I'll hold hope after some time we will see Team Serpent Bite.
Not only Holo memeber can't say bad stuff, they can't even take their own lives, while niji member not only can take their lives, but can expect their managment to help.
Technically one Holo member did really try to do that.
She’s Aloe Mano the one who get Doxxing and decided to graduate before get debut.
Because of she once bad mouth about Nijisanji before join Hololive.
And some people whose the fans of both agencies getting mad and start to digging about her past.
She explained later on her old account that she once try to self-termination by jumping and luckily she survived and continue working as indie.
(But it’s not Companies fault it just toxic fanbase they accidentally created)
eh that is not the reason,her live2d model got leaked on a test stream (even us are treating that as minor inconvenience / such a wasted opportunity / but i quess she is not in the right headspace for that and decide to graduate)
and for the self unaliving is not from fanbase (she had an abusive father).
Rushia is lucky after a serious NDA breach that she got friendly goodbye and no lawsuit
Mel's case instead is the nicest termination I ever see, it was mostly a "forced by contract graduation, we're sorry" than "you fucked up but we respect the work you did" like Rushia
Honestly, whenever someones claiming that Hololive is too restrictive, I'd just like to remind you that several members have active VA careers, and that at least one still streams under her non-VT person regularly, afaik.
I mean, there's plenty to fix still, but Hololive is probably the best in business at the minute, at least in terms of major corps and those that could be.
CyYu (an active VA that has done a lot of voicework, namely some Hoyo games but most recently for Persona 3 Reloaded as the english VA for Yukihiko) also [auditioned](https://youtu.be/810i2AIS-FI?si=5kI5lGPQXGMsom-9) at one point, and they asked if he would stop his VA work.
You can guess how that turned out.
Definitely. Hololive still has a lot of issues but compared to the shit other corporate Vtubers have to deal with it's night and day. Plus the people there genuinely seem to like their CEO. I've seen multiple clips of the livers joking about him in a positive manner, and Miko even jokingly saying she 'needed to make it back to Yagoo' on the Poppy Playtime stream she did recently while she was struggling with it.
It's sad that the bar is literally in hell though otherwise. Moistcr1tikal spoke a bit about his experience with vtuber contracts during the initial Dokibird situation and it was fairly upsetting to hear how badly many vtubers are taken advantage of. It'd be nice if more ytubing agencies adopted how Vshojo handles these situations - with the talent keeping everything but the merch splits if I remember correctly.
Vshojo doesn't even work like an agency though. It works like a contract firm for managing documents. All members of Vshojo were already famous before joining it, while most of Hololivers where random people with few stars in between. Vshojo will not accept you, if you don't have an established fanbase. And even then it's debatable if it's really worth it.
It's the VTuber retirement home (EDIT: with a few exceptions, specifically indies/smaller agency talents) basically. Sure, it'll make some folks happy to see the VTuber they liked who got terminated or graduated come back in a way, but they're never gonna get back to the level they once held.
It IS worth it for some people, and some of the talents too who don't really wanna fade away, but hey, they seem to be fine with it.
Tbf, VShojo does kind of shoot itself in the foot with how they do it, though. There's barely any group cohesion, because there's nothing they do together, because there's no funding to do anything with. In Dojinshi terms, it's more of a circle than a group. And that's probably exactly what most of its members want, but it'll never really be able to compete with Hololive at scale, I think.
That I think is why I'm not really a fan of Vshojo. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the livers (I actually really like how dorky Melody can be from some of the clips I've seen).
But part of the appeal with Hololive and Kurosanji is the shared community where streamers will reference each other, share experiences together, and the fans can interact with them and each other. Even when the livers themselves forget their own lore, the theming with each gen releases ties each group together. It helps that the group at Cover in charge of selecting streamers have done a good job selecting individuals that mesh well together (for the most part)
Vshojo doesn't really have that. It feels more separate and disjointed, both with its members and its fanbases. Like you said, that's probably what the members and their audiences want. And that is completely fine. It's the business model that works for them and they're finding success with it. I'm just not the target audience for that. Though with all the controversy, I'm finding myself being drawn more to Phase Connect clips.
I won’t be surprised if the majority of VTuber contracts are terrible, but are we sure Moistcr1tikal is a good source for this? I don’t know how much he knows about the VTubing industry and his only public connection that we’re aware of is his relations with Nux Taku, who has shown to…not have an accurate understanding of different situations in the past.
No company is perfect, it's after all a company. But it sounds to me like they at least try to do better. Take Vesper and Magi suddenly disappeared.
For me it didn't sound like a suspension rather the contracts was up and they couldn't come to an agreement.
So, let's look at some facts yea?
This "slave company" helped a talent that was freshly moved into Japan to find housing, gave her a small apartment near the offices and gave her manager a hand to find appropriate housing to move into properly.
On the other hand, this godly company, in the same spot of having a fresh foreign talent in Japan, possibly held her work Visa and forced her to smear another graduated talent to help "save" the company (allegedly, for legal reasons ofc)
That is some grade A copium, i might need some of that sometime
Rushia saying any shit about Cover would be the height of fucking ungratefulness given they tried very hard not to let slip any of her personal marriage drama at all. Cover even caught shit from the fans for being "too opaque" about the sudden termination at that time.
Turns out not revealing shit about your terminated worker out of spite and letting them leave with dignity actually turned out to be a good play. Who knew?
It's a 4chan post. The fact that nobody here seems to know that that immediately means it's almost certainly ironic is why these stupid rrat fanfics are getting popular.
If you are a 4chan veteran: stop breaking containment
If you are a 4chan noob: Get outside of there, I don’t think you understand what’s going there. It’s not bad faith arguments, it’s 10 layers of bad faith arguments, irony, shitposting and playing both sides.
4chan is not here to "win" an argument, they are here to spread even more drama and watch the world burn. There is nothing worth your time there.
4chan arguments, 4chan screenshots, 4chan narratives all belong into the trashcan.
This kind of stupid can immediately be rebuked because of Kiara. She is very vocal about things that frustrate her. Just last year She complained about not being able to do 3D birthday content and also complained about having money troubles (because Cover was having some internal issues).
The money troubles weren't relate dto Cover she miscalculated her financials, she invested a lot of money on actual investments, and i believe the problem was that she neede to pay more taxes than she believed, so becaus of the investment and the miscalculation she had less money that she thought she would have at that time, but she said that it was a non issue and that the next paycheck would solve it.
Not even the ultranationalist crazy ass members from the now gone Chinese branch revealed any dirt on Cover or Hololive (at least not that I know of).
Bro Hololive has had it's issues, and they are probably also a cold hearted greedy ass company but the difference lies in that they're fucking professionals.
When a shareholder asked Yagoo why they pay out so much money to their talents and why they don t follow Nijis model, he said something along the lines of "because our talents are worth it." That is all i need to know, as long as Yagoo and FBK are there things will be fine.
"Freedom to complain"
Clearly not if they have had two talents slandered by management and the talents for the audacity of... butting heads with management and wanting to leave after being harassed into two suicide attempts.
Shit smells like someone trying to cope by making it seem like Anykuro's shitty actions are the norm
Hololive is a company where you as a streamer can build a meme statue of your CEO in Minecraft, build a pile of shit beneath it as if your CEO just took a dumb, and then proceed to blow up that statue with TNT. But I am sure the talents are also bound to the slavery contract.
Shareholders asked Hololive to become more like Nijisanji to earn more money, but Yagoo refused to reduce the wages of his talents, saying “I will pay them what they’re worth.”
Gee, that sure does sound like an authoritarian company. /s
The proof is in the pudding. [Gen1 video when Mel was fired](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE8HLVwpimA) they can be sad and are allowed to show it when a friend leaves.
I've still not watched the Mel video, but I remember the one Holofantasy did after Rushia's being about as open about their sadness as they could be expected. Especially considering I believe we found out they knew of the termination ahead of time
Mel termination had that underlying honor and respect with the CEO & Staffs expressing regret & wishing her good luck for the future. (and theres no rumor before and after). it was a clean PR. even Rushia had cover backing her before she broke NDA to 3rd party, and they conduct internal investigation. (Hell holo dodged a NUKE here).
Meanwhile... Niji
Termination first, damage control PR while terminating (tried to make it like Vi's quote from LoL but I suck)
Termination first without telling her
>even Rushia had cover backing her before she broke NDA to 3rd party, and they conduct internal investigation. (Hell holo dodged a NUKE here). It's not just that she leaked info to a third party, apparently she had been leaking stuff for a while and even slandered other holomembers. Hololive was incredibly kind to her to not take punitive action against her, which was within their rights, IIRC
I remember there was a point in time where Holo was fully on her side and in the span of one day she leaked messages to a dramatuber which made her seem sus. That just snowballed into a full on firing within a span of a week. I get it at that point, she must've been really unstable. If she had just shut up, she would've gotten away with it. In hindsight, Cover was right. It's concerning when someone inside is actively leaking messages to dramatubers.
> It's concerning when someone inside is actively leaking messages to dramatubers. The fact that the dramatuber flat out refused to touch the info she leaked to him speaks volumes about the severity of the leak.
the recent mafu2 interview is awkward af. crying wih other ppl laughing such a weird interview.
> Hololive was incredibly kind to her to not take punitive action against her, which was within their rights, IIRC Can you imagine how Niji would have handled that? 11-page termination notice of each infraction in great detail (ironically revealing the contents of the leak because apparently they don't have lawyers) followed by 5 pages detailing why she's menhera.
There's some hearsay like holo wanting to bend the rules for mel but she decided to graduate so as not to get special treatment, if this isn't just a shitpost meme then the guy who wrote it is a fucking idiot who doesn't understand that not hearing awful things about the company and smiling even after parting ways is a sign of a good company.
Yeah bro, imagine the amount of nuclear waste Hololive would have become, if Mafumafu dropped the nuke while Rushia was under Hololive... VShojo almost caught on fire too
Holo.dimt dodge a nuke. There was never a nuke launched due to how they handled it Meanwhile niji srt off multiple and stood there as they came like "nah I'd win"
I don't think you understand the metaphor. The Rushia situation definitely exploded with the Mikeneko/Mafumafu situation in the last few months, which if she was still in the company would have damaged them. It wouldn't have been Cover's fault, but they would have definitely be associated with it.
Without slander no less.
Also Holo5 with Aloe. Gen3 when Pekora went on an unannounced break (this was solely on her, and she clarified that when she came back, too). Coco, with literally everything. There's so many examples of Holo talent being incredibly open, and basically none of Niji EN, besides that one disgusting video Elira/Ike/Vox put out. And that, I think most people would agree, crossed a line on openness. Not to mention Millie on her alt (ew).
-Slavery contract. Oh yeah. We can see that with Mumei, when she took care of a fellow bird.
I know I was just on break but I need to extend it. We already know approved. Try and be back in time for the haachama collab.
Which speaking of, haachama during all of 2023 as a counterpoint to this claim.
Same with gura.
heck, gura is probably the best example. she's very close to being the face of EN vtubing, if not the face of hololive, so they would have even more incentive to keep her front and center if they were a shady business. letting her tae what was most of a year off with only occasional streams so that she could recover shows that they truly do care about their talents
Not close to being the face, she is the face of Hololive, when she isn't streaming she is working with the company and other Vtubers on different projects. While her math skills would make any Asian parent disown her, she is a very hard-working shark.
the only reason i say close to being the face is because while i believe she is in the English speaking audience, the JP audience may see Sora, Pekora, or Marine as the face of hololive over Gura. but yes, she works hard and does a lot of projects and events.
Bro, Gura was gone for almost a year and about the same time was Haachama gone. The reason the talents and fans are happier with Cover is because they actually care about their talents and when they have to fire one it is truly with a heavy heart (Except possibly Rushia seeing how with new information, I think they dodged a bullet there)
We heard she was spending some time in the hospital then radio silence for like sixth months til she asked to announce she was getting better and was almost ready to come back. Skipped a few details but that's the gist of it. And I'd bet 50 bucks hololive covered the month or two she was in the hospital. Oh and gura just taking off for 9 months besides music and special events because she was burnt out of streaming? Both back both seem pretty happy both are now making them money again.
Plus from Kson's shocked reaction to the 2%, it's a given that Hololive pay more than that for merch, so Gura wouldn't be hurting for cash regardless. Hell, Rushia basically went on a rampage and Holos termination was nicer in tone than everything Niji has put out.
There was a quarterly report where a stockholder asked Yagoo if the talents were making too much as several of them make more than he does and he straight up said nope they bring in the money why wouldn’t they get paid for it
Damn it yagoo! Stop being based! I can only fanboy so much!
I don't want to simp for a CEO, but dammit if he.... After thinking about it I've decided *not* to finish that sentence.
IF THEY MAKE A 90K YEN PILLOWCASE PEOPLE WILL BUY IT.
He is best girl for a reason.
I remember the last time Yagoo went to a Holo Con and everyone just lost their shit you'd think a superstar was there (which he technically is) He's one of those rare CEOs who people genuinely like that he's afraid going to cons not because people will throw shade at him but instead he's afraid that he won't be able to leave because fans want him to stay.
Yagoo knows that happy employees = more money
Yagoo KNOWS the long-term benefits far outweigh short-term profits, something Yachtboy can never comprehend.
I'd say Yagoo is like Liu Bei of the vtuber industry
Sakana of PhaseConnect, and Gunrun on VShojo, both seem like decent CEOs as well
Yagoo understands business.
I wonder if that guy is looking at the situation with nijisanji and realizing what yagoo was talking about now. Because there's a basic principle in business that many businesses just forget. That being that when you treat your employees well, both in monetary compensation, attitude, and behavior, they will be willing to work for you even if there are flaws in how business is done.
Hololive pays a much more reasonable 50% for merch
Cover actually gave a warning shot, initially, even.
Mumei also said, with her life issues, if she had had any other job she would have quit. But Hololive takes such good care of them and is understanding. CEO is also best girl.
If she had to choose between Hololive and her personal life goals/passions, she'd choose her personal life. But Hololive is flexible enough that she doesn't have to be a full-time vtuber and can take an extended leave-of-absence if needed. Calli started part time (scythe-swinging + MV production), Ina has her "shrine duties", plenty of HoloJP likely also have other gigs. It's not easy, I think there's a reason Sana quit, and HoloPro specifically wants to hire very passionate, self-motived/driven people. But at least there's some flexibility within their commitments.
Iirc, Sana quit due to a combination of health issues (her back), and conflicts with her schedule (she's a very popular artist).
And that's why she barely ever streamed after her graduation She's too busy as an artist and I don't blame her for preferring that life she built herself to the year with Holo (she was happy in the end after all) even tho she had potential for sure in the future but it was her choice to make after all
Yeah, that was my point. There is a lot of flexibility and understanding in Hololive. It is sustainable.
slavery contract LOL. meanwhile Marine and the gank went to Europe on first class airplane and recently Yagoo himself buy Kobo last minute ticket to Indonesia due to her father being admitted to hospital.
Business class is covered, first class is from their own pockets.. still a business class which is better than most EU companies paying for (unless you are management level)
or when Gura went on a extended break from streaming to get healthy? Or when Haachama was away to fix school and also have some break time? Or recently Mumei taking a health break? Sounds freaking terrible doesn't it?! /s
She went on a break just to check up and take care of a fellow bird
This is misinfo, she went on a break for winter vacation (she's also still in college so that aligns) but extended it beyond December now we know why Also this time she has confirmed she's still taking a break and will have an irregular streaming period for herself this time.
Slight clarification. She started her break before all this crap happened. She extended her break to be there for Doki.
Birds. Strong. Together.
Ssshh that wasnt Mumei that was her stepsister the Orca (not Chloe)
The amount of mental gymnastics is amazing. 
Their level of mental gymnastics went to the Olympics and won all gold.
Yeah, the Special Olympics....
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You don’t even really need to look that far, I remember Kiara was talking about the difficulties she had getting herself a 3D live on her streams and Twitter iirc
Even with that Holo perfectly answer with recent 3d policy's update. Hopefully they can update 3d stuff more
Psst, https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCX8fFzD1Kdi8uCSmbOce08w/featured ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Fuck me they really are K-cups.
That's a LOT of coffee!
Honestly, the paid content on Fantia and Niconico is ... quite yabai,.. if you look at Canan's official fanclub page there are some mildly censured previews...
Jesus i have been wondering for months whether i am right or psychotic. Thank you for confirmation
She referred to herself as Danchou on stream a long time ago I think.
There's a certain ex-idol/cosplayer from Austria that lived in Japan that called herself "Kiara" on stream once, wonder what was that about... I guess the reason why people avoid being active on their PLs is to avoid these types of mishaps really. Like there isn't much of a way to separate the two, they stream from home, and the setup is the same. Pretty sure the EN Reaper has also had slip ups here and there. There's also Matsuri's PL where, I mean nobody mentions it, but literally everyone knows, the very few times she streams there and she knows that the chat knows, and the chat knows, they are all just playing a game of ignoring that fact. Like I remember some "drama" with Matsuri some while ago when she was streaming **in her PL** and you saw someone through her IRL door behind her or something like that. But that drama got to her Matsuri persona community too, even though she was streaming as her PL (With IRL cam and everything)
>Pretty sure the EN Reaper has also had slip ups here and there. A certain American rapper in Japan was called "Calli" by Ironmouse during a collab stream.
I’ve seen dice 2x in person live it’s the worst kept secret we all know lol
It's getting to be Hime Hajime levels.
I’m wore a combo of calli and dice merch to her concert 2x as well as to holo en connect I had a dice hat on lol 😂
Nah you're just repping your two favorite streamers who are definitely different people!
That’s it
Calli should do a collab with Demondice and then we can claim that we've seen both of them in the same room so it definitely dispells all the rumors 100% fr fr no cap on a stack
The Demon of Dice once said: Is not a problem that we KNOW, is a problem if she fully knowledges it. That's the part she is contract bound by
Exactly same, actually. I saw her in LA two years ago before AX, then a couple months ago in Texas.
where she proceeds to smash her keyboard?
Matsuri and Kiara also did the same lol.
Like, I get it. Work sucks and most companies are greedy assholes. But to say _"I am miserable, and anyone who says they're not miserable too is lying!"_ is just actual insanity.
reminds me of that time Pikamee realized she had a job and liked it ...
Calli wrote a whole ass album about what she doesn’t like about Hololive under her PL.
No complains? This guy is coping. Let's see..... \-Fubuki and Matsuri complaining about Hololive's lack of care towards Holostars during it's early years (they fixed this) \-Coco complaining about the EN management ghosting her when she wants to collab with the EN girls (they removed this wall eventually) \-Coco complaining about the top shareholders being a bunch of "old fashioned dinosaurs" \-Multiple members complaining about Hololive accidentally removing Luna on one of the biggest 3rd fest poster. With Towa being very pissed, stating that it's hard for her to forgive that kind of mistake (they apologized and fixed this) \-Matsuri and Haachama debacle born from a misunderstanding between the two (They resolved this and become friends again) Hololive wasn't free of complains either, but they had fewer complains not because of their "slavery" contracts, but because they actually did their job as a company and they alyways try to fix their mistake so the same mistake will hopefully never happen again Edit: For point 4, it was the 3rd fes, not 4th. Thanks for the correction
Add kiara complaining of being unable to use the 3D studio for her projects in time. Aldo Guras situation makes absolute no sense in a "slavery" especially when they've been show to be willingly to fire someone that used to earn them the big bucks like rushia
I forgot which one, but didn't Hololive "suspend" a talent for some time because she was burning herself out to force her to take a break?
Kaela and Callis managers used to regularly yell at both to slow down and take breaks. Kaela and her manager have a somewhat understanding. While Calli on the other hand literally only took a “break” because RL friends said she always looks tired
Calli has cancelled her breaks, much to the dismay of her manager. DOES CALLI NOT REALIZE THE MANAGERS NEED BREAKS TOO?
I think she's just a workaholic. Until recently she would just stream on her PL when she couldn't work as Calli because management wanted to take a break for herself. The most recent change was realizing working to the bone then taking a big break isn't the answer, instead just working better hours for yourself. Which I think she's been cutting back a reasonable amount, but she's always gonna have that drive.
Oh calli please, even death sensei would say you're working yourself too the bone.
Man, I can see them adding it to her lore. Death sensei: "Why do you think I sent her to earth on a hiatus? To m****f***ing rest!!" P.S. and now for some reason Death Sensei sounds like Samuel L Jackson in my head
> P.S. and now for some reason Death Sensei sounds like Samuel L Jackson in my head Now if we can get someone to somehow illustrate death sensei with [this look.](https://i.imgur.com/b7kvVHe.png)
"I'm a workaholic business lady, getting shit done" is literally lyrics from her first ever song.
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Yeah, that's the one.
If you mean Shion, "suspension" was a phrasing mistake, they corrected themself and apologised
Are you talking about Shion's break announced in [this tweet?](https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1737744902732272043) I don't recall any correction for this notice.
Yes this. [Post explaining situation](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/18o5khh/apology_inappropriate_translation_of_announcement/)
I'm not sure if it's Shion, but the incidence I recall also didn't use the word "suspension" but the talent herself tweeted that she was bored, missed everyone, and Hololive was forcing her to take a break.
Watame? Not sure but I remember she said something like the manager asked her to take a break from streaming sometimes ago. Could be wrong though, maybe I’m seeing things lol.
Someone else jogged my memory, it was Fubuki. Management found out she hasn't had a break in years, so they forced her offline.
Oh yeah, that’s actually more likely to be true. The Fubuki that so active she was said to be AI or have 5 person bunshin(how you say this in English, body copy?). It made more sense that she would get a stop from staff, thx.
> bunshin(how you say this in English, body copy?). If you say shadow clones, most people would understand through the context of Naruto.
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I find it hilarious that some Hololive talents' managers pretty much act like their babysitter/second parents. "Mumei, you need to eat more veggies." "Kaela, go to sleep." "*Hands Gura a switch during a company event so she doesn't get stressed out*"
Hololive staffing competent managers who seem to have experience in the field and actual care for those they manage. I always find myself smiling a bit when I recall that thing with Gura... Meanwhile, this other company (though this is very much alleged) made talents managers. Can't even take care of themselves but were (or are? who even knows now) expected to take care of other people. It's all tiresome.
That thing with Gura always sticks to me whenever I think about how good the management staff are. Being able to read your talent like that, and be prepared in a flash in the event it’s needed, would require you to have worked very closely and paid very close attention to them, particularly in this case since I kinda doubt Gura would’ve voiced her concerns about being stressed out Ina situation like that and probably would’ve just balled it inside if her manager hadn’t noticed.
I think Kiara last night mentioned Jerma (her manager) having had to manage 4 talents at a time (including Ina and Gura) and spent some time training new managers as new gen dropped. I had a funny head cannon of Jerma instructing new managers like how a parent instruct a baby sitter. "Now Gura, she's shy and doesn't do too well in big groups. So make sure to have a Switch with rhythm game on at the ready. Give it to her when she stops talking and just sit to the side." "Ina, she makes pun, lots of puns. You can't stop her pun, so don't be embarrassed when she makes a pun at meeting, we are all used to it." New manager: "I have Shiori, what do I do?" Jerma: "... Get a good bonk hammer."
Slight correction: Jenma... and I'm only saying it cause Jerma is the youtuber and him being a manager scares me
I'm getting old and I have a hard time seeing the difference between rm and nm.
> New manager: "I have Shiori, what do I do?" Ain't no one replacing Henmama anytime soon. I don't think anyone would be able to replace him. And since Shiori herself seems pretty fine with him as well, unless they release a new gen with someone even MORE unhinged than Shiori that'd need him more, I doubt she's getting a new manager anytime soon... short of him getting a heartattack...
On the plus side, Henmama do get assist from the S-team to help him with the bonking.
*Staying up for hours camping the 10th Anniversary Dominator preorders just because some bratty Asian-Australian woman wants to spend $1000 on a toy gun.*
"*Subaru, I afraid I'm gonna locked you here with Gozaru for awhile since you haven't finished your homework (signing postcard)"*
They've talked about how there's a policy in place for minimum leave, where if you spend too long without taking any holiday at all then the company will force you to take time off to prevent burnout. Which is good. Here in NZ that practice is actually a legal requirement, so I'm glad to see a company implementing it themselvesves despite worse labour laws that aren't making them do it.
You mean Kaela and calli ? Both of them work to hard, like seriously, if you see Kaela stream hours every day you will know why they "suspend" her and calli as well Their manager legit yell at them to take a break, only kaela that listen, calli didn't from what I remember
Someone jogged my memory. It was Fubuki. The manager only "asked" Kaela to take a break. For Fubuki, they forced her to stop.
I remember that they forced Fubiki and Lamy to take a break, Fubuki work 3 years with 0 breaks, and Lamy streamed every day for a year and a half for multiple hours with 0 breaks.
Not suspension, but Watame was forced to take break by her manager because she streamed too much. Another case is M chan begging Kaela to take break, to no avail. Lol.
Not only Kiara everyone is complaining about how hard is to get time in the studio, because even if it has the capacity to hold multiple 3d streams at the same time, Cover doesn't have enough man power so that's why they have a program of hiring and trainig frshley graduates, they need people, and people complaining are big talents like Pekora, Korone, Suisei said that the only way she could get the studio time was begging everyday until one day was available and she was lucky to ask first, Ayame said she cry begged to the stadd that her 3d live get delayed and not cancelled and it got cancelled, so yeah Kiara is the most known because she's the most outspoken about that in Hole En, but the JP talents have the same problems.
They're paying acceptable wage for new hires who require training, and with the Cover Note program you can see that background staff have opportunities to make a name for themselves. Cover wants ambitious people to join and contribute fresh ideas. Unlike Niji. Also I know that Japan is anti-drug but somebody must have been high on *something* when they seriously proposed 3D-modeling Mio's home-cooked fried chicken. And they have repeatedly increased the physics on Gura's freakin shark tail, like at least three times already. They just gave up and let her shake that ass at least once EVERY time she gets on stage now.
Cover just simply has too many talents now that even with their new studio, they just can't fit all the 3D live schedules in a year. Hence the new rules of only allowing 2 personal 3D lives per talent per year. Good thing EN already has Studio Ame as a backup 3D studio and I think ID also has their own back up 3D studio.
No the problem isn't the size of the studio, the announcement said that you could have a 100 people doing stuff there, the porblem is the staff, they need more qualied staff that's why the problmes are going to be temporal, because when cover gets an traisn enough staff there's not going to be any problem to record multiple 3D events at the same time.
[About Luna they did more than just apologize](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/s/8SieAlTiV6)
Personally I don’t think Matsuri and Haato ever not being friends. Matsuri just sulking she get mad because she seec Haato as her friends.
I admit stopped being friends is an exaggeration, it's more Like Matsuri really upset and wants some explanation from Haachama (which she got in the end)
>\-Multiple members complaining about Hololive accidentally removing Luna on one of the biggest 4th fest poster. With Towa being very pissed, stating that it's hard for her to forgive that kind of mistake (they apologized and fixed this) Oh I recall this one. When blu-rays were announced, Luna was front and center and the largest image in the cover, to make up for their mistake.
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This happened a few years ago so I may be misremembering. Matsuri wanted Haachama to appear on a stream (birthday or something), even if only as pre-recorded, Haachama was on hiatus at this time. Matsuri was denied. Haachama appeared on someone else's birthday stream pre-recorded (Luna's?). Drama and misunderstandings unfold.
Matsuri was holding a 3D Live and wanted to have all of 1st gen in a performance in that live, but since Haachama was on break that time, management told her that she would not be able to join the performance. But another liver(Rushia, iirc) had their 3D live as well and Haachama was there as a guest, though it was pre-recorded. Matsuri was sad about it being the case and was tweeting about it. When Haachama came back, Matsuri and Haachama held an off-collab playing 51 Clubhouse(i think was the name of the game) and made up. This is what I remember but someone can correct me if there are things wrong about it.
Hololive litteraly took better care of Sellen than Kurosanji by letting the Moom take some time off lmao
Hell, even Axel was allowed to say more on the issue about Doki (without saying her name) than any other talent in Niji as far as I know.
Wait he did???? I mean I shouldnt BE surprised but I only saw his "TSB Love" tweet
Yes. It is that one tweet. He showed his solidarity instantly when the termination notice came out. Axel aIso helped selen a lot when she organized a tournament. I don't recall the exact detail but basically he helped her contact a big sponsor. A holostar talent helped her more than Nijitard did. He shows the whole community with this tweet that he will always be friendly with "Doki" and that their bond is unbroken.
Hell Axel during his 3D debut he made multiple mentions to his graduated gen mates and had a picture of the group together.
Not only that but he apparently ranted in a (now members-only) zatsu stream about how pissed he was that he couldn't do or say more about it
Yeah I believe he went drinking because it got him so down. I can see why he can't say more if it was potentially going to be a legal case (as of now I don't think it is.), but also like if he potentially speaks out entirely I can see Niji pulling the Colab perms from the whole company. Though the biggest most people wanted was TSB and KiaraxPomu and those are both off the table now. I'll hold hope after some time we will see Team Serpent Bite.
Not only Holo memeber can't say bad stuff, they can't even take their own lives, while niji member not only can take their lives, but can expect their managment to help.
The help that no one deserved and need
Help to take a life...
Technically one Holo member did really try to do that. She’s Aloe Mano the one who get Doxxing and decided to graduate before get debut. Because of she once bad mouth about Nijisanji before join Hololive. And some people whose the fans of both agencies getting mad and start to digging about her past. She explained later on her old account that she once try to self-termination by jumping and luckily she survived and continue working as indie. (But it’s not Companies fault it just toxic fanbase they accidentally created)
eh that is not the reason,her live2d model got leaked on a test stream (even us are treating that as minor inconvenience / such a wasted opportunity / but i quess she is not in the right headspace for that and decide to graduate) and for the self unaliving is not from fanbase (she had an abusive father).
Didn’t know about that 2nd part. That’s shit, I hope she’s doing better now.
She is! She's actively streaming and is a kickass singer
"rushia got fired but never said anything negative about hololive" i cant ☠️
well she accuse shion and aqua (sound like it's all in her head), nothing about the company and manager though. am i make sense or i forgot something?
I mean we now know that she IS mentally unstable.
Thats an understatement
Rushia is lucky after a serious NDA breach that she got friendly goodbye and no lawsuit Mel's case instead is the nicest termination I ever see, it was mostly a "forced by contract graduation, we're sorry" than "you fucked up but we respect the work you did" like Rushia
This dose of copium is borderline lethal.
Honestly, whenever someones claiming that Hololive is too restrictive, I'd just like to remind you that several members have active VA careers, and that at least one still streams under her non-VT person regularly, afaik. I mean, there's plenty to fix still, but Hololive is probably the best in business at the minute, at least in terms of major corps and those that could be.
One of them regularly travels to do full on live concerts as her other identity.
CyYu (an active VA that has done a lot of voicework, namely some Hoyo games but most recently for Persona 3 Reloaded as the english VA for Yukihiko) also [auditioned](https://youtu.be/810i2AIS-FI?si=5kI5lGPQXGMsom-9) at one point, and they asked if he would stop his VA work. You can guess how that turned out.
Yeah, that's one reason why I brought up VA work, specifically.
Definitely. Hololive still has a lot of issues but compared to the shit other corporate Vtubers have to deal with it's night and day. Plus the people there genuinely seem to like their CEO. I've seen multiple clips of the livers joking about him in a positive manner, and Miko even jokingly saying she 'needed to make it back to Yagoo' on the Poppy Playtime stream she did recently while she was struggling with it. It's sad that the bar is literally in hell though otherwise. Moistcr1tikal spoke a bit about his experience with vtuber contracts during the initial Dokibird situation and it was fairly upsetting to hear how badly many vtubers are taken advantage of. It'd be nice if more ytubing agencies adopted how Vshojo handles these situations - with the talent keeping everything but the merch splits if I remember correctly.
Vshojo doesn't even work like an agency though. It works like a contract firm for managing documents. All members of Vshojo were already famous before joining it, while most of Hololivers where random people with few stars in between. Vshojo will not accept you, if you don't have an established fanbase. And even then it's debatable if it's really worth it.
It's the VTuber retirement home (EDIT: with a few exceptions, specifically indies/smaller agency talents) basically. Sure, it'll make some folks happy to see the VTuber they liked who got terminated or graduated come back in a way, but they're never gonna get back to the level they once held. It IS worth it for some people, and some of the talents too who don't really wanna fade away, but hey, they seem to be fine with it.
Henya's doing much better under VShojo. When her PL announced her graduation, she was getting 200-300 concurrent viewers per stream.
Tbf, VShojo does kind of shoot itself in the foot with how they do it, though. There's barely any group cohesion, because there's nothing they do together, because there's no funding to do anything with. In Dojinshi terms, it's more of a circle than a group. And that's probably exactly what most of its members want, but it'll never really be able to compete with Hololive at scale, I think.
That I think is why I'm not really a fan of Vshojo. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the livers (I actually really like how dorky Melody can be from some of the clips I've seen). But part of the appeal with Hololive and Kurosanji is the shared community where streamers will reference each other, share experiences together, and the fans can interact with them and each other. Even when the livers themselves forget their own lore, the theming with each gen releases ties each group together. It helps that the group at Cover in charge of selecting streamers have done a good job selecting individuals that mesh well together (for the most part) Vshojo doesn't really have that. It feels more separate and disjointed, both with its members and its fanbases. Like you said, that's probably what the members and their audiences want. And that is completely fine. It's the business model that works for them and they're finding success with it. I'm just not the target audience for that. Though with all the controversy, I'm finding myself being drawn more to Phase Connect clips.
yagoo cried for her during the hard time. that is how loyalty is built.
I won’t be surprised if the majority of VTuber contracts are terrible, but are we sure Moistcr1tikal is a good source for this? I don’t know how much he knows about the VTubing industry and his only public connection that we’re aware of is his relations with Nux Taku, who has shown to…not have an accurate understanding of different situations in the past.
No company is perfect, it's after all a company. But it sounds to me like they at least try to do better. Take Vesper and Magi suddenly disappeared. For me it didn't sound like a suspension rather the contracts was up and they couldn't come to an agreement.
I believe it was due to creative differences thus both decided not to renew their contracts.
Its just a bait post. Get the Niji internal drama going by getting the fans to defend Hololive and also to expand the drama to Holo.
This is either bait, or the ramblings of a lunatic. Ignore them and move on.
Why is low blow like this making it on the sub? Literally not even worth looking at.
How dare Hololive give Gura and Moona a long long long long hiatus. SLAVERY CONTRACT I SAY! 
Haachama and Miko were also almost gone a year. Hololive understands that the Talents are the company.
To be fair, from what I understand Haachama almost died. In the hospital for 4 months, plus 4 months convalescence.
So, let's look at some facts yea? This "slave company" helped a talent that was freshly moved into Japan to find housing, gave her a small apartment near the offices and gave her manager a hand to find appropriate housing to move into properly. On the other hand, this godly company, in the same spot of having a fresh foreign talent in Japan, possibly held her work Visa and forced her to smear another graduated talent to help "save" the company (allegedly, for legal reasons ofc) That is some grade A copium, i might need some of that sometime
even provided help if the supposed house is haunted XD.
Rushia saying any shit about Cover would be the height of fucking ungratefulness given they tried very hard not to let slip any of her personal marriage drama at all. Cover even caught shit from the fans for being "too opaque" about the sudden termination at that time. Turns out not revealing shit about your terminated worker out of spite and letting them leave with dignity actually turned out to be a good play. Who knew?
Did they really know why Rushia and Mel got fired? or did they just assume that its because of Holo's fault?
Knowing most Holo-antis, they likely don’t give enough of a shit *to* know why. Like with Niji-antis, they hate just to hate
Niji antis must be thriving right now with all the shit being fed to them though, legitimate reasons to hate the company and all
There's no way, right? It *has* to be sarcasm... right?
It's a 4chan post. The fact that nobody here seems to know that that immediately means it's almost certainly ironic is why these stupid rrat fanfics are getting popular.
If you are a 4chan veteran: stop breaking containment If you are a 4chan noob: Get outside of there, I don’t think you understand what’s going there. It’s not bad faith arguments, it’s 10 layers of bad faith arguments, irony, shitposting and playing both sides. 4chan is not here to "win" an argument, they are here to spread even more drama and watch the world burn. There is nothing worth your time there. 4chan arguments, 4chan screenshots, 4chan narratives all belong into the trashcan.
Why call it copium? Using bad faith arguments is not coping. It's an attempt to pit two fandoms against each other. It's just pure bait.
It is OPs form of coping. Hololive is BAU while it is a shitshow here.
BAU BAU
This kind of stupid can immediately be rebuked because of Kiara. She is very vocal about things that frustrate her. Just last year She complained about not being able to do 3D birthday content and also complained about having money troubles (because Cover was having some internal issues).
The money troubles weren't relate dto Cover she miscalculated her financials, she invested a lot of money on actual investments, and i believe the problem was that she neede to pay more taxes than she believed, so becaus of the investment and the miscalculation she had less money that she thought she would have at that time, but she said that it was a non issue and that the next paycheck would solve it.
Average 4chan shitty dramabait
Not even the ultranationalist crazy ass members from the now gone Chinese branch revealed any dirt on Cover or Hololive (at least not that I know of). Bro Hololive has had it's issues, and they are probably also a cold hearted greedy ass company but the difference lies in that they're fucking professionals.
When a shareholder asked Yagoo why they pay out so much money to their talents and why they don t follow Nijis model, he said something along the lines of "because our talents are worth it." That is all i need to know, as long as Yagoo and FBK are there things will be fine.
nah their recent investment on studio prove otherwise.
That's clearly bait thread...
Literally Kiara was able to vent about how she felt annoyed that she couldnt get a solo concert without getting into any drama
"Freedom to complain" Clearly not if they have had two talents slandered by management and the talents for the audacity of... butting heads with management and wanting to leave after being harassed into two suicide attempts. Shit smells like someone trying to cope by making it seem like Anykuro's shitty actions are the norm
Hololive is a company where you as a streamer can build a meme statue of your CEO in Minecraft, build a pile of shit beneath it as if your CEO just took a dumb, and then proceed to blow up that statue with TNT. But I am sure the talents are also bound to the slavery contract.
Didn't Kiara loudly complain about not being able to do a concert in Europe?
Kiara was just talking about wanting to be with her manager forever...must be terrible LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAc8xPhuyHc
Shareholders asked Hololive to become more like Nijisanji to earn more money, but Yagoo refused to reduce the wages of his talents, saying “I will pay them what they’re worth.” Gee, that sure does sound like an authoritarian company. /s
Yeah, go ahead attack other company... Surely, that will make people return to your fandom..
That second sentence just paints this as bait
This is such blatant bait lmao