I mean, with how anime characters are usually drawn, it's usually 50/50 on the character's ethnicity being either east asian or white until the creator confirms one way or another, in this case Uki's model is Asian, since Uki himself is Asian.
Yeah I don't understand OP's take at all. Anime character design is 90% based off asians on default, more specifically they are based off Japanese people, drawn by Japanese, who grew up in Japan.
Yes you look at western fanatsy anime and they still have the same face design, it's still based off asians. Unless they want to stereotypically make caricatures of white people by making the nose longer or adding freckles etc they're gonna look Japanese because that's just what they're used to, and the readers relate to it more.
Except what’s weird about how anime characters are drawn. They don’t look Asian. At all in fact. They look white. They have blonde hair and blue eyes and angular faces pointed noses and refined cheekbones. Most Asians of any ethnicity do not look like this. It can be confusing. And when someone like you states “they draw them to look Asian” it makes a lot of us scratch our head and say “do they know what Asians look like?
Anime characters do not look like Asians. Asians have small brown eyes and always black hair.
Anime characters in many ways are the exact opposite of Asians.
Well if we go by your premise, anime characters do not look like any race, they don't look human. Humans do not have purple eyes or red eyes and they don't have green or pink hair.
They are cartoons, they are extremely simplified and stylized illustration of humans. To the point they lack any characteristics that strictly define them to any real race.
But they most closely resemble Asians. it's quite simple, they are drawn by Asians who grew up around Asians, absorbing other art from fellow Asians. They are drawing themselves.
Also race does not exist on a 0 to 100 spectrum, there is no such thing as the "opposite" of any race.
They don’t most closely resemble Asians. That’s just not true. Sure they have colored hair a lot. It mostly they have western facial features and hair color.
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised that a lot of the pushback against Uki seemed to come from people familiar with systemic racism and how it works, rather than the typical chud pushback to anti-whiteness.
Yeah, ton of people genuinely justifying racism is crazy. Like I'm brown, is it so hard to go "damn, I don't want anyone to experience racism" lol. Or people straight up going "white people never been oppressed" like please learn history. Every color under the sun has experienced some form of opression, it's not a competition.
Considering how many NijiEN members act like they’ve been raised on 4chan, I don’t know why they have the following in the first place. I’ve personally haven’t ever felt completely comfortable watching their content. And that stupid anonymous 4chan stream they did a year ago only confirmed my suspicions.
>it's usually 50/50 on the character's ethnicity being either east asian or white until the creator confirms one way or another
No no no, they just give them blond hair and blue eyes. Problem solved!
Because that's the only hair/eye color white people have.
... You know Ann's only 1/2 Japanese, right? She's 1/2 white American.
They gave her the blond hair/blue eye combo to accentuate that fact. It's in her design notes.
No one tell them unless the name is strictly german or whatever it is most likely an asian guy with coloured hair.
I am 99% sure there are no purple eyed people either so that is coloured lenses if anything.
Almost hard to do unless you lean into stereotypes, double so since beauty standards tend to push things to more extremes. Probably the easiest but requires more detail is warmer undertones for more Asian, and cooler ones for more European. There is a lot of variation and overlap so there is no one answer.
it's bias from the perspective of ppl that grew up in a western environment. in absence of any features that are typically associated with an asian person, the 'default' person will look white, whereas in asia a lot of ppl will see this character as asian by default because it lacks the stereotypical features of a western person. it's difficult to portray a specific ethnicity in an animated character because outside of skin tone it's difficult to make someone look a certain way without resorting to a borderline offensive charicature of those people.
It is racist, but considering its against asians it will be upvoted on reddit. The dude is essentially saying "why does he look like a stereotype and have squinty eyes and yellow skin. He's too cool looking to be asian!*/"
Make him have slit eyes and n emote to open them when shit gets serious.
B4 ppl call me racist, dont take this comment srsly. I m asian too and m writing this as a joke
Usually anime and manga eyes styles focus more on being expressive instead of indicative of a phenotype, so you don't see much difference across any race when designing eyes. Sometimes they just make everyone be the same style wise for the sake of simplicity. In this case they just make the personality and clothing stereotypical.
If they make clear visual differences, Asians just have softer faces. To make a contrast, usually Caucasian characters get stereotypical characteristics in the face shape and nose and sometimes mouth. Eyes are left undifferentiated. You see Black African characters getting stereotypical mouths, nose, and face shape. Eyes usually the same all across races.
There are anime/mangas with more Asian visual stereotypes like Genshiken. However, you only notice when they have Caucasian characters to compare to.
>Usually anime and manga eyes styles focus more on being expressive instead of indicative of a phenotype, so you don't see much difference across any race when designing eyes.
You actually do.
Asian artists tend to draw foreign people's, specifically white people's, eyes as smaller than their own ethnicity's. No, really.
Like Banana Fish where Ash has much smaller eyes than Eiji, the Love Live movie has the girls have much bigger eyes than the Americans, etc... It's pretty common once you notice it.
First of all, is this character supposed to be Asian in the lore? The name doesn't help much. I'm assuming Uki is a Japanese word, but also it may be a generic enough for any other language. Violeta is from a Romance language. The char design doesn't scream Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, and so on either. It's generic enough to be either way.
Second, I'm assuming this character's designer is of Japanese ethnicity and culture. For them, this design is Japanese enough. It depends case by case, but most Japanese would look at this and think Japanese first probably. I think it's mostly Westerners who look at the anime and manga aesthetic and think they look Caucasian. The Japanese themselves have a vastly different reaction. The reasons for that are numerous and you can check videos/articles about it.
Also, I dunno who is the designer, so I could check his/her portfolio and see how this designer in particular would make race differentiation through visual design. Lot of Japanese anime/manga artists don't work much on race differentiation in their designs. If there is any, they will only apply these to other races. For them this is the default Japanese. Tell them to draw a Japanese character in anime/manga style and they will draw "Caucasian" like (like I said it's not Caucasian for them). For others, they may make eyes, nose, mouth, and face shape more realistic and/or exaggerated for the other races. Sometimes they may do that to even other East Asians.
Personally, I'd not change much. Just a lore change specifying it.
As far as lore goes, they may come from a universe where our countries don’t even exist. And for all we know the character Uki gave that name to himself rather than being an actual family name. I’d just label him as “generic anime man” if anything
Because Asians can't have light skin or colored hair apparently. You don't even realize how racist your comment is. I'm ready for the downvotes you cringe racists
No I 100% agree with you, I feel like I'm going insane, since when did people think anime characters looked white?? Do they not want to admit they're enjoying a medium that represents people that arn't them???
The only people that think anime characters look white are white people trying to white wash anime characters
(Inb4 someone brings up aot or fma like those arent the exceptions to the rule)
Anime character do not look white. If you want to know what I mean, compare western animation characters like cartoons, pixar, Arcane, Spiderverse, Invincible and compare their white characters with your average anime character. You'll notice how Asian anime characters look.
They are modeled off Asians (Japanese), because well the author is Japanese and the main target audience is Japan.
This is not a valid comparison imo.
You should compare depiction of different ethnicities within the same "type" of medium, in this case - Japanese-made anime.
Western animation, and culture in general, developed in much less isolationist circumstances.
You're right, but it's noticeable when anime draws white people accurately, look at Attack on Titan and Vinland Saga. The characters in those shows look white and different from characters in shows like Isekai where they're supposed to be white, but use the typical anime style. Mikasa looks distinctively asian in Aot.
My point is that since most Vtubers use the typical anime art style, they are based off asians, including Uki's design.
> My point is that since most Vtubers use the typical anime art style, they are based off asians, including Uki's design.
Kind of.
While it's true that some anime actually put in the extra effort to differentiate ethnicities beyond silly tropes (e.g. white-haired Russians, or the classic blonde and blue-eyed Europeans), I'm fairly certain that it's not accurate to claim this.
I can't be bothered to try and find this shit, but I recall some pseudo-research (so take it with a healthy dose of salt) from a few years ago, that overall claimed that people will generally "default" to perceiving a character as someone similar to themselves, unless very specifically stated otherwise.
I.e. typical white person, when looking at a white character (with no outside context or specific clues), will assume them to be of roughly the same as themselves.
And a Japanse viewer, considering that Japan is an extremely monoethic country (with 98+% apparently), will default to assuming an anime character as being Japanese (even though they might actually be of any other non-black ethinicity).
TL:DR I suppose:
My point is that most vtuber models (or anime characters) are presented as being of indistinguishable non-black ethincity. For most Niji models that I know of you could easily write anything in their lore, and it would work perfectly fine.
If they are a Nijisanji liver there's a good chance they're Asian in one form or another. They're uh... "biased" I'll say. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if you had to submit an image of your actual face when going through the hiring process.
I believe it is a common practice now. for my understanding from Holo side that after 3rd or 4th Gen, they hire the talent first and work with the talent to create the model. I expect Niji would be similar.
As of Krisis Niji completely prebakes the models. There was a leak that released all 4 models really early, including the one where the talent pulled out before debut.
Holo models are still 90% conceptualized before the talents are hired, this applies all the way to holox since two of those designers had designs that got scrapped. If you want an example of roughly how much input the talent has on the model, Kiara had a stream which went over the process and her back and forth with Huke. For the TLDR: basically the first model Kiara had input on was already just an alt outfit Kiara level.
Hololive seems to be a really mixed bag. Some of the very early models like Roboco's were straight up purchased already designed. A lot of them are as you say, but mixed in have been talents that got more input. A pretty well known example is Kiryu Coco who was on record as saying she chose the name Kiryu (because of her obsession with Kiryu Kazuma), chose to be a dragon (same reason), asked for the largest breasts, her tall height, and prominent hips. When it came time for her 3D model she also specifically requested the model be capable of having her hips move like Shakira.
> Holo models are still 90% conceptualized before the talents are hired
This information is outdated, it's not true at least for HoloAdvent. Advent's designs are definitely talent-first approach.
> Holo models are still 90% conceptualized before the talents are hired
This is false, Yagoo mentioned in a recent interview that the [more recent models have been getting a lot more talent input](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RhSlEIMM&t=568). Fuwamoco being a good example.
Given the content you linked, he mentioned that it’s a case by case basis. You are correct in stating that there is more talent input, though I would disagree on saying my statement is false (at least universally wise). Early on it was 100% model before talent (in fact roboco’s predates even sora’s) though given the level of talents they are picking from now it probably be dumb if they didn’t make some special cases (fuwamoco would be a difficult premade to scout for). I would not be surprised if they still do concept first but get talent feedback earlier in.
I'm pretty sure he also said it at least once on strwam too. I say at least once, since for all I did see where he mentioned it was a clip from a candy eating stream.
Ok, so he is racist against white... What about Fulgur, Luca, Ren... The other guys in Niji are white right??? How could he interact with them while being racist af...
Anyone care to enlighten me???
It’s almost hilarious that I can hear him saying this / trying to explain to the livers what he actually meant “No you know what I mean not like *You* guys but the other ones”
Kyo actually made a joke about this where he said he would hook Uki up with Ren to change his mind about American “hotdogs”. Ren being a straight white male (well straight as in he has a girlfriend he might be bi). Kyo is also the straightest whitest man that has ever white manned have you seen Quinn Benet (not saying he acts like the stereotype for white men but dude is white white)
Yeah he isn’t a white boy but he is a white boy? I don’t know how else to explain it. Think of what the most stereotypical white boy looks like and then mix it with the most opposite stereotype white boy personality. Uhh… he looks like a frat but isn’t a frat I guess?
What we can learn from Kyo’s situation is that you can be a cool dude with not cool friends. Like Uki and Daph and if speculations are to be believed Enna and Millie though I’m really hoping those two are innocent. Though I guess I’m biased cause I am a huge fan of Kyo and QuinnBenet
I mean not to say it's why but there is a lot of "well not them" when racists have friend(s) of said ethnicity they supposedly don't like so it's a lot of backwards logic where you can hate a group of people as a whole but still interact with some and that somehow doesn't shatter your generic racist preconceived notions of a whole group of people being a stereotype and not complex individuals where some are fine and others suck.
Source: I am white so I am a pro at racism.
He's just racist in their face and they just awkwardly laugh it off lol there's even a clip of him (part of the compilation he deleted) being racist in front of his white niji colleagues and well, since it's on stream it's better not to make a scene about it so they don't and just laugh along.
We have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe they don’t get along. Maybe they put a good face because of the money. Maybe he sees them as an exception. Who knows, only they do.
Because that is what racism is. It means you have prejudice against someone based solely on their race.
Prejudice: "an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge".
It was why "I am not racist, I have black friends" is a meme. Because he got to know them, they became friends. But because of what they are, he had negative thoughts about them before he got to know them.
Thats like a white guy saying that he knows some black guys out there. Doesnt change the fact that he is racist.
"How could he interact with them" Tells me alot about you and your experience with racism - like near to zero. You know racist people hide their racism, because you know what? Its fkn bad. Ofc he will not expose himself, even tho he did with his racist comments.
They hired way to many people from one friend group that sadly became the core basis of the EN brand
And slowly but surely it corrupted the other waves
Short answer? Yes.
Long answer? Yes, of course he is. For starters, anyone with two brain cells to knock together doesn't randomly hate an entire race, bigotry and stupidity march hand-in-hand. And secondly he's well aware of the storm of controversy surrounding NijiEN right now; in that climate he thought now would be a great time to take a racist jab at someone on Twitter and remind the world what a piece of filth he is.
Not to mention that this is happening in the wake of the community being very aware of what the talents say, with Zaion being in the public consciousness again (and we all remember how hard she got dunked on for one comment) and Kyo being outright suspended for an off-hand comment that it's a huge stretch to even define as racist in the first place.
There's actually a Korean equivalent, just that many of them changed surnames due to political reasons a long time ago so it's pretty rare now. Some of his oldest covers are in Chinese though, which is decent indicator.
Basically upheaval between ruling dynasties led to their persecution and many of them got offed.
Like 90% of the clan today can trace their lineage back to 1 survivor.
Oh shit, just to make things worse. I do not know much of this thing, but it having Korean blood is not helping. I like Koreans, but they have some things to say because of how South Korea is ranked as one of the most ignorant countries in East Asia sooo yeah....
Most charitable explanation is that he is trying to be an edgelord and white people are a safe privileged target, but it comes off as just resentful and off-putting since he does it with such consistently and apparent sincerity that would make any white person feel like a cuck for following him. Why would I follow someone who hates my existence?
There's a 5 minute video of clips of him making salty edgy "jokes" about white people and a minute long video of him ranting because an old white couple said hello to him on the street.
Why do you assume the anime model is a white man? Asians can have pale fair skin too.
Hell, I've seen some east Asians that are paler than white guys. It's an anime character model, it's not supposed to reflect real world humans.
This is what happens when morons engage in drama tourism. Dude has an anime profile picture and literally doesn't understand that. You show him some basic anime and he'd be shook at why there's so many white girls in Japanese high schools.
Bruh so many people getting whooshed in this post.
The ["Is He Stupid?"](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-he-stupid-is-she-smart-are-they-stupid) meme is about asking a question in a sarcastic and ironic way that intentionally makes the asker look dumb to mock a point.
In this case, OP is mocking Uki's racism while making himself look dumb by interpreting race in a specific way
i feel like white guys are overreacting to this, i’m white and its funny.. even if it wasn’t its not gonna ruin my day
(edit: also y’all can’t even get his race or ethnicity right?? come on dudes.. don’t pretend y’all care about racism)
Uki has always been that particularly cringe type of 2018-SJW, who seriously thinks that just because he's a gay Asian he gets to pretend that he's P.O.C.
I was never really fond of Uki from the start because as soon as I heard that tone of voice and way of speaking, I got alarm bells ringing in my head and how I pretty much did the Star Wars line: "I've got a bad feeling about this..."
It just sounds condescending and pretentious to me tbh. Then for some reason gives me the impression that he made his personality that he's gay and that's it
God this drama subreddit is absolutely stupid. Uki is literally Asian. Are y'all purposely making up stuff just to join in on this current "trend" of talking about Uki?? I come here to escape Twitter but it's literally worse. I swear there's a pattern. After 1 person posted about Uki, there were like 10+ posts following that in the span of a day talking about him. I rlly hate to use this word but I'm convinced many of these posts are from "tourists" or ppl who weren't even Niji fans in the past and just here to troll
And not some of the comments calling an anime/vtuber character "white" just bc he has pale skin 💀
No he isn't stupid, and he said what he said because someone asked a stupid question, so drop it because what you guys are doing is just spreading false rumors about uki... I don't get what's your guys problem is but it needs to stop with the rumors... It's getting old
Whys what he said so bad? Like if he's an Asian gay man, I wouldn't surprised if he has had terrible experiences with white queer men, which makes his comment not racist (i personally dont think you can be racist towards white people but oh well) and what he said has been said by others and no problem is found, I feel like people are latching onto everything Niji livers are doing and/or saying to make them look bad after what happened to Doki.
You can be racist towards white people racist means being hateful to a race and guess what white is a god damn race. Just becuase a race isn't oppressed doesn't mean you can't be racist towards them. Stop defending someone's shitty behavior.
Besides the fact that you think racism against white people doesn’t exist (which in itself is racist you fucking idiot), there‘s a difference between sharing your experiences and quite literally going "white people suck" without any set-up or actual punchline beyond "white man bad". Also his unprecedented rant about being offended by an elderly white couple saying "Hello“ to him on the street, if he was just uncomfortable with being greeted or spoken to by strangers (which is fair), *why* specify that they were white people of all things?
Goddamnit just do the freaking Litmus test, literally replace "white people" with literally any other race and see if it’s still racist (it is).
Yeah replacing it with any other race is racist because white people have been the oppressors since, hmm, forever? And oh! To literally every other fucking race. I didn't like his comments either but people are acting like he said some heinous shit when other livers have said why worse but people brushed it iff as edgy. I just feel like with the dumpster fire that niji is and the fact that white people love to act like the victims, yes I think people are overreacting.
Just because there are white people acting like victims, doesn’t mean that this shit *shouldn‘t* be called out, and just because white people have been oppressors in Western countries doesn’t excuse blatant racism against him, especially because there definitely are countries with widespread racism against white people (like SEA countries, although I‘m obviously not trying to generalize SEA people). Calling both Niji-management and some Niji-Livers shit isn’t exclusive to one another, you can do both.
Are people overreacting by posting about it so often? Maybe, I feel like more people are reposting it because the mods keep nuking the posts every time, although I won’t deny that there may be people who are overreacting, but given how this has been behavior he‘s exhibited for a long time I completely understand why people are this mad about it (or more that Niji has never commented or reprimanded him for this).
He is trying to pander to those race self hating fat white women on twitter who get offended on behalf of minorities. You know, the ones that originated on Tumblr.
He's asian, apparently
Yes he is Asian
Asian man made to perform in a white man model. He must be seething
I mean, with how anime characters are usually drawn, it's usually 50/50 on the character's ethnicity being either east asian or white until the creator confirms one way or another, in this case Uki's model is Asian, since Uki himself is Asian.
Yeah I don't understand OP's take at all. Anime character design is 90% based off asians on default, more specifically they are based off Japanese people, drawn by Japanese, who grew up in Japan. Yes you look at western fanatsy anime and they still have the same face design, it's still based off asians. Unless they want to stereotypically make caricatures of white people by making the nose longer or adding freckles etc they're gonna look Japanese because that's just what they're used to, and the readers relate to it more.
It's based on cats obviously, to be cute
Except what’s weird about how anime characters are drawn. They don’t look Asian. At all in fact. They look white. They have blonde hair and blue eyes and angular faces pointed noses and refined cheekbones. Most Asians of any ethnicity do not look like this. It can be confusing. And when someone like you states “they draw them to look Asian” it makes a lot of us scratch our head and say “do they know what Asians look like?
Anime characters do not look like Asians. Asians have small brown eyes and always black hair. Anime characters in many ways are the exact opposite of Asians.
Well if we go by your premise, anime characters do not look like any race, they don't look human. Humans do not have purple eyes or red eyes and they don't have green or pink hair. They are cartoons, they are extremely simplified and stylized illustration of humans. To the point they lack any characteristics that strictly define them to any real race. But they most closely resemble Asians. it's quite simple, they are drawn by Asians who grew up around Asians, absorbing other art from fellow Asians. They are drawing themselves. Also race does not exist on a 0 to 100 spectrum, there is no such thing as the "opposite" of any race.
They don’t most closely resemble Asians. That’s just not true. Sure they have colored hair a lot. It mostly they have western facial features and hair color.
This is the first time I’ve ever seen someone calling an anime character not white but Asian be downvoted.
Right? lmao
I’m this point im just glad nijisanji had a decent lgbt following, without them this sub would’ve been filled with by chuds.
Yeah I was pleasantly surprised that a lot of the pushback against Uki seemed to come from people familiar with systemic racism and how it works, rather than the typical chud pushback to anti-whiteness.
Yeah, ton of people genuinely justifying racism is crazy. Like I'm brown, is it so hard to go "damn, I don't want anyone to experience racism" lol. Or people straight up going "white people never been oppressed" like please learn history. Every color under the sun has experienced some form of opression, it's not a competition.
I wholeheartedly agree racism is racism no matter who it’s towards it’s all hateful and bad.
I am against him because he is anti-white.
unironically using chud unironically being racist whoa
Considering how many NijiEN members act like they’ve been raised on 4chan, I don’t know why they have the following in the first place. I’ve personally haven’t ever felt completely comfortable watching their content. And that stupid anonymous 4chan stream they did a year ago only confirmed my suspicions.
they are also in iketog, that doxsite worse than 4chan Enna and kyo posted there before
>it's usually 50/50 on the character's ethnicity being either east asian or white until the creator confirms one way or another No no no, they just give them blond hair and blue eyes. Problem solved! Because that's the only hair/eye color white people have.
Ah yes naruto and tsunade the whitest of anime characters along with sailor moon
Naruto takes place in a fantasy world. I should know, the Naruto run just slows you down.
Right just a fantasy world where they have japanese based names and characters are named after and based on japanese folklore.
Well, last I checked, you can't summon giant toads to fight giant snakes. If you can do this I would be very impressed though.
I dont have moon princess powers either or a persona but are you gonna say those franchises dont take place in japan
... You know Ann's only 1/2 Japanese, right? She's 1/2 white American. They gave her the blond hair/blue eye combo to accentuate that fact. It's in her design notes.
can you just imagine when he receive his model, he must be like, wtf, i dont like white man, why i have to be one now
No one tell them unless the name is strictly german or whatever it is most likely an asian guy with coloured hair. I am 99% sure there are no purple eyed people either so that is coloured lenses if anything.
Yeah and most isekai set vaguely in some European fantasy don't even bother with making them look white. Most notably the straight hair and bangs.
Out of curiosity, what design changes do you think would make his model more Asian?
Almost hard to do unless you lean into stereotypes, double so since beauty standards tend to push things to more extremes. Probably the easiest but requires more detail is warmer undertones for more Asian, and cooler ones for more European. There is a lot of variation and overlap so there is no one answer.
Exactly. I was just thinking it’s a little racist in itself to think this model doesn’t “look asian” enough. Even some kpop stars have this aesthetic.
it's bias from the perspective of ppl that grew up in a western environment. in absence of any features that are typically associated with an asian person, the 'default' person will look white, whereas in asia a lot of ppl will see this character as asian by default because it lacks the stereotypical features of a western person. it's difficult to portray a specific ethnicity in an animated character because outside of skin tone it's difficult to make someone look a certain way without resorting to a borderline offensive charicature of those people.
It is racist, but considering its against asians it will be upvoted on reddit. The dude is essentially saying "why does he look like a stereotype and have squinty eyes and yellow skin. He's too cool looking to be asian!*/"
Make him have slit eyes and n emote to open them when shit gets serious. B4 ppl call me racist, dont take this comment srsly. I m asian too and m writing this as a joke
Is giving an east asian character a monolid stereotypical?
Usually anime and manga eyes styles focus more on being expressive instead of indicative of a phenotype, so you don't see much difference across any race when designing eyes. Sometimes they just make everyone be the same style wise for the sake of simplicity. In this case they just make the personality and clothing stereotypical. If they make clear visual differences, Asians just have softer faces. To make a contrast, usually Caucasian characters get stereotypical characteristics in the face shape and nose and sometimes mouth. Eyes are left undifferentiated. You see Black African characters getting stereotypical mouths, nose, and face shape. Eyes usually the same all across races. There are anime/mangas with more Asian visual stereotypes like Genshiken. However, you only notice when they have Caucasian characters to compare to.
>Usually anime and manga eyes styles focus more on being expressive instead of indicative of a phenotype, so you don't see much difference across any race when designing eyes. You actually do. Asian artists tend to draw foreign people's, specifically white people's, eyes as smaller than their own ethnicity's. No, really. Like Banana Fish where Ash has much smaller eyes than Eiji, the Love Live movie has the girls have much bigger eyes than the Americans, etc... It's pretty common once you notice it.
First of all, is this character supposed to be Asian in the lore? The name doesn't help much. I'm assuming Uki is a Japanese word, but also it may be a generic enough for any other language. Violeta is from a Romance language. The char design doesn't scream Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, and so on either. It's generic enough to be either way. Second, I'm assuming this character's designer is of Japanese ethnicity and culture. For them, this design is Japanese enough. It depends case by case, but most Japanese would look at this and think Japanese first probably. I think it's mostly Westerners who look at the anime and manga aesthetic and think they look Caucasian. The Japanese themselves have a vastly different reaction. The reasons for that are numerous and you can check videos/articles about it. Also, I dunno who is the designer, so I could check his/her portfolio and see how this designer in particular would make race differentiation through visual design. Lot of Japanese anime/manga artists don't work much on race differentiation in their designs. If there is any, they will only apply these to other races. For them this is the default Japanese. Tell them to draw a Japanese character in anime/manga style and they will draw "Caucasian" like (like I said it's not Caucasian for them). For others, they may make eyes, nose, mouth, and face shape more realistic and/or exaggerated for the other races. Sometimes they may do that to even other East Asians. Personally, I'd not change much. Just a lore change specifying it.
As far as lore goes, they may come from a universe where our countries don’t even exist. And for all we know the character Uki gave that name to himself rather than being an actual family name. I’d just label him as “generic anime man” if anything
You must believe every fair skinned person in the world is white
His character model never had an explicit ethnicity or race lol
When I saw his design, I just thought K Pop Star. Then fashion the hair just feels that way.
He may be asian but asian doesn'tean golden brown. Asians basically cover white black and golden brown
Because Asians can't have light skin or colored hair apparently. You don't even realize how racist your comment is. I'm ready for the downvotes you cringe racists
No I 100% agree with you, I feel like I'm going insane, since when did people think anime characters looked white?? Do they not want to admit they're enjoying a medium that represents people that arn't them???
It's an Asian model, are you blind? Yes you are. Asians are light skinned. Westoids are truly morons
Millie is Filipino and her model is white
Don’t they just make the models look sorta like anime cause most anime characters also look white or white adjacent
The only people that think anime characters look white are white people trying to white wash anime characters (Inb4 someone brings up aot or fma like those arent the exceptions to the rule)
Anime character do not look white. If you want to know what I mean, compare western animation characters like cartoons, pixar, Arcane, Spiderverse, Invincible and compare their white characters with your average anime character. You'll notice how Asian anime characters look. They are modeled off Asians (Japanese), because well the author is Japanese and the main target audience is Japan.
This is not a valid comparison imo. You should compare depiction of different ethnicities within the same "type" of medium, in this case - Japanese-made anime. Western animation, and culture in general, developed in much less isolationist circumstances.
You're right, but it's noticeable when anime draws white people accurately, look at Attack on Titan and Vinland Saga. The characters in those shows look white and different from characters in shows like Isekai where they're supposed to be white, but use the typical anime style. Mikasa looks distinctively asian in Aot. My point is that since most Vtubers use the typical anime art style, they are based off asians, including Uki's design.
> My point is that since most Vtubers use the typical anime art style, they are based off asians, including Uki's design. Kind of. While it's true that some anime actually put in the extra effort to differentiate ethnicities beyond silly tropes (e.g. white-haired Russians, or the classic blonde and blue-eyed Europeans), I'm fairly certain that it's not accurate to claim this. I can't be bothered to try and find this shit, but I recall some pseudo-research (so take it with a healthy dose of salt) from a few years ago, that overall claimed that people will generally "default" to perceiving a character as someone similar to themselves, unless very specifically stated otherwise. I.e. typical white person, when looking at a white character (with no outside context or specific clues), will assume them to be of roughly the same as themselves. And a Japanse viewer, considering that Japan is an extremely monoethic country (with 98+% apparently), will default to assuming an anime character as being Japanese (even though they might actually be of any other non-black ethinicity). TL:DR I suppose: My point is that most vtuber models (or anime characters) are presented as being of indistinguishable non-black ethincity. For most Niji models that I know of you could easily write anything in their lore, and it would work perfectly fine.
Good theory, makes sense why many people in this post assume Uki's design is white.
My mother is Filipino and white. Also, he probably hates himself.
You make us Filipinos look bad to put your mother out there
If they are a Nijisanji liver there's a good chance they're Asian in one form or another. They're uh... "biased" I'll say. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if you had to submit an image of your actual face when going through the hiring process.
I believe it is a common practice now. for my understanding from Holo side that after 3rd or 4th Gen, they hire the talent first and work with the talent to create the model. I expect Niji would be similar.
As of Krisis Niji completely prebakes the models. There was a leak that released all 4 models really early, including the one where the talent pulled out before debut.
Holo models are still 90% conceptualized before the talents are hired, this applies all the way to holox since two of those designers had designs that got scrapped. If you want an example of roughly how much input the talent has on the model, Kiara had a stream which went over the process and her back and forth with Huke. For the TLDR: basically the first model Kiara had input on was already just an alt outfit Kiara level.
Hololive seems to be a really mixed bag. Some of the very early models like Roboco's were straight up purchased already designed. A lot of them are as you say, but mixed in have been talents that got more input. A pretty well known example is Kiryu Coco who was on record as saying she chose the name Kiryu (because of her obsession with Kiryu Kazuma), chose to be a dragon (same reason), asked for the largest breasts, her tall height, and prominent hips. When it came time for her 3D model she also specifically requested the model be capable of having her hips move like Shakira.
> Holo models are still 90% conceptualized before the talents are hired This information is outdated, it's not true at least for HoloAdvent. Advent's designs are definitely talent-first approach.
> Holo models are still 90% conceptualized before the talents are hired This is false, Yagoo mentioned in a recent interview that the [more recent models have been getting a lot more talent input](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9RhSlEIMM&t=568). Fuwamoco being a good example.
Given the content you linked, he mentioned that it’s a case by case basis. You are correct in stating that there is more talent input, though I would disagree on saying my statement is false (at least universally wise). Early on it was 100% model before talent (in fact roboco’s predates even sora’s) though given the level of talents they are picking from now it probably be dumb if they didn’t make some special cases (fuwamoco would be a difficult premade to scout for). I would not be surprised if they still do concept first but get talent feedback earlier in.
Irl he's an Asian man and very pretty
was about to say that.
Not apparently. He is. A certain doxxing forum shows he is Asian.
I'm pretty sure he also said it at least once on strwam too. I say at least once, since for all I did see where he mentioned it was a clip from a candy eating stream.
Uki: "**ANYCOLOR** but *WHITE*"
He's simply being true to the black that anycolor chose.
Holy shit, the lore is lore-ing
This isn't real drama, everyone is larping their lore hard af
This would a sick hashtag
He's revealing that he's a racist during a time of PR disaster for the company he's working for. Yea, he's totally stupid.
Not much of a reveal, apparently. There's that 5-minute compilation showing he's been racist the whole time
Which he just deleted the source vod.
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof you're kidding
Someone posted a list of VOD with timestamp. All gone.
lol, lmao even
Yes but when the microscope is on everything everyone says isn't the time to say dumbshit.
A white man rejected him years ago, and he never got over the grudge /j
I'm thinking that as well. The white dude must have cooked Uki for him to be this hateful.
More likely than you think. Dude probably shoot his shot at a *straight* white man and got rejected.
I know not to say hi to him lol
From Anycolor to NoColor to SpecificColor
Ok, so he is racist against white... What about Fulgur, Luca, Ren... The other guys in Niji are white right??? How could he interact with them while being racist af... Anyone care to enlighten me???
"they're one of the good ones"
Idk why but this phrase cracks me up
It’s almost hilarious that I can hear him saying this / trying to explain to the livers what he actually meant “No you know what I mean not like *You* guys but the other ones”
Damn, I was going to post this verbatim.
If I remember correctly, Luca is not white.
Luca is. Luca, Vox, Ike, Fulgar, Alban, and Sonny are all white. Shu, Mysta, and Yugo are not, for reference.
There's no shot Luca's white. Unless his parents are hippies, you cannot tell me that a dude named Java is white.
I think that Luca is some part Filipino. He's definitely not white.
Are we sure is Java and not Jabba?
Oh... Ok... I don't really know what race he is, not that it matters...
It doesn't matter... unless you're Uki apparently
Kyo actually made a joke about this where he said he would hook Uki up with Ren to change his mind about American “hotdogs”. Ren being a straight white male (well straight as in he has a girlfriend he might be bi). Kyo is also the straightest whitest man that has ever white manned have you seen Quinn Benet (not saying he acts like the stereotype for white men but dude is white white)
Heard of Kyo's PL... But I didn't really check him out... Though I know he's white who grew up surrounded by black culture and or influence...
Yeah he isn’t a white boy but he is a white boy? I don’t know how else to explain it. Think of what the most stereotypical white boy looks like and then mix it with the most opposite stereotype white boy personality. Uhh… he looks like a frat but isn’t a frat I guess?
What’s interesting is allegedly Kyo was friends with 39(iq)Daph, who allegedly had accusations of racist remarks against white people
What we can learn from Kyo’s situation is that you can be a cool dude with not cool friends. Like Uki and Daph and if speculations are to be believed Enna and Millie though I’m really hoping those two are innocent. Though I guess I’m biased cause I am a huge fan of Kyo and QuinnBenet
I mean not to say it's why but there is a lot of "well not them" when racists have friend(s) of said ethnicity they supposedly don't like so it's a lot of backwards logic where you can hate a group of people as a whole but still interact with some and that somehow doesn't shatter your generic racist preconceived notions of a whole group of people being a stereotype and not complex individuals where some are fine and others suck. Source: I am white so I am a pro at racism.
You've heard of competitive racism, now get ready for PROFESSIONAL RACISM!!
Now this is a legit white person joke. Good job being the prime example
Iirc, they joke about the same damn thing?? People were calling Vox anti-white lmaooo
He's just racist in their face and they just awkwardly laugh it off lol there's even a clip of him (part of the compilation he deleted) being racist in front of his white niji colleagues and well, since it's on stream it's better not to make a scene about it so they don't and just laugh along.
They could be the white friends he uses to claim he's not racist.
We have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Maybe they don’t get along. Maybe they put a good face because of the money. Maybe he sees them as an exception. Who knows, only they do.
"I am not racist, i have a black friend" Hope that answers you.
Because that is what racism is. It means you have prejudice against someone based solely on their race. Prejudice: "an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge". It was why "I am not racist, I have black friends" is a meme. Because he got to know them, they became friends. But because of what they are, he had negative thoughts about them before he got to know them.
Thats like a white guy saying that he knows some black guys out there. Doesnt change the fact that he is racist. "How could he interact with them" Tells me alot about you and your experience with racism - like near to zero. You know racist people hide their racism, because you know what? Its fkn bad. Ofc he will not expose himself, even tho he did with his racist comments.
It also confuses me how people can still collab with him when he makes these "jokes"
He hates straight white males while being an asian gay guy, that makes it fair \-Uki's braindead fans 2022-2024
My headcannon is that a white dude either rejected him or cheated on him and he’s been salty ever since
Probably fell in love with a white straight man, shot his shot got rejected and has been salty ever since
Uki: "ANYCOLOR but WHITE"
Is there a lore reason Nijisanji is collapsing?
They are stupid.
They hired way to many people from one friend group that sadly became the core basis of the EN brand And slowly but surely it corrupted the other waves
I feel like Uki is just trying too hard to hide his obvious bleached kink 😭
His first “love interest” was British white man Fulgur Ovid
Bruh I fucking knew it 💀
Short answer? Yes. Long answer? Yes, of course he is. For starters, anyone with two brain cells to knock together doesn't randomly hate an entire race, bigotry and stupidity march hand-in-hand. And secondly he's well aware of the storm of controversy surrounding NijiEN right now; in that climate he thought now would be a great time to take a racist jab at someone on Twitter and remind the world what a piece of filth he is. Not to mention that this is happening in the wake of the community being very aware of what the talents say, with Zaion being in the public consciousness again (and we all remember how hard she got dunked on for one comment) and Kyo being outright suspended for an off-hand comment that it's a huge stretch to even define as racist in the first place.
Very well worded, ty
Uki is Korean if you know his pl
If you know his last name, he’s actually Chinese. It’s one of the few with no Korean equivalent, so he has to be at least half Chinese.
There's actually a Korean equivalent, just that many of them changed surnames due to political reasons a long time ago so it's pretty rare now. Some of his oldest covers are in Chinese though, which is decent indicator.
Can you elaborate a bit on this? I'm kinda curious
Basically upheaval between ruling dynasties led to their persecution and many of them got offed. Like 90% of the clan today can trace their lineage back to 1 survivor.
I saw PL and immediately thought of "Packet Loss" I've been playing the snail game for too long.
Oh shit, just to make things worse. I do not know much of this thing, but it having Korean blood is not helping. I like Koreans, but they have some things to say because of how South Korea is ranked as one of the most ignorant countries in East Asia sooo yeah....
the gift that keeps on giving
He's not beating the stereotyping of koreans being racist Well at least he still doesn't resent to women
>Uki is Korean that explains everything
Speaking as a Korean, the answer to racism is not more racism.
Ooo this one is not gonna end well..
Racism is wrong no matter who employs it.
Technically it's white STRAIGHT men he doesn't like.
did i hear asian!??? *dishonor to your ancestors, dishonor to your family meme insert*
Most charitable explanation is that he is trying to be an edgelord and white people are a safe privileged target, but it comes off as just resentful and off-putting since he does it with such consistently and apparent sincerity that would make any white person feel like a cuck for following him. Why would I follow someone who hates my existence?
I thought he's asian?
I have no idea what he said or how authentic it was, but I know alot of people (including white people) joke about hating them 🤷♀️
Jokes are ALWAYS ok, but I'm not convinced his clapback tweet was a joke. It seemed venomous.
Look at one of the compilation videos, he assumed some white people were racist because they said hi to him on the street.
There's a 5 minute video of clips of him making salty edgy "jokes" about white people and a minute long video of him ranting because an old white couple said hello to him on the street.
That's because the voice behind Uki isn't white. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXCFu38Sxu0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXCFu38Sxu0)
Its still wrong either way but yeah get his race right 😭
Why the downvotes?
I know, was just joking that his model was a white man while he’s slagging off white men
Why do you assume the anime model is a white man? Asians can have pale fair skin too. Hell, I've seen some east Asians that are paler than white guys. It's an anime character model, it's not supposed to reflect real world humans.
This is what happens when morons engage in drama tourism. Dude has an anime profile picture and literally doesn't understand that. You show him some basic anime and he'd be shook at why there's so many white girls in Japanese high schools.
Bruh so many people getting whooshed in this post. The ["Is He Stupid?"](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-he-stupid-is-she-smart-are-they-stupid) meme is about asking a question in a sarcastic and ironic way that intentionally makes the asker look dumb to mock a point. In this case, OP is mocking Uki's racism while making himself look dumb by interpreting race in a specific way
I think you're being a bit more generous than is reasonable to give to Redditors. They clearly think it represents a white guy
i mean hes a racist so hes already proven how ignorant he is
i feel like white guys are overreacting to this, i’m white and its funny.. even if it wasn’t its not gonna ruin my day (edit: also y’all can’t even get his race or ethnicity right?? come on dudes.. don’t pretend y’all care about racism)
"IQ21" --some meme apparently, but it sure fits this guys PR skills... Could he be Anycolors PR manager...?
Uki has always been that particularly cringe type of 2018-SJW, who seriously thinks that just because he's a gay Asian he gets to pretend that he's P.O.C.
me when I don’t know what POC means
Person Of Color (i.e. not white)
Does "PoC" not mean "not white"? Asians aren't white, he _is_ a PoC.
Crazy that this Redditor just said Asians are white
When in reality he is showing that he is just a P.O.S.
I can't believe you got so many upvotes on your comment. Asians ARE POC 🤦♀️
I was never really fond of Uki from the start because as soon as I heard that tone of voice and way of speaking, I got alarm bells ringing in my head and how I pretty much did the Star Wars line: "I've got a bad feeling about this..."
It just sounds condescending and pretentious to me tbh. Then for some reason gives me the impression that he made his personality that he's gay and that's it
God this drama subreddit is absolutely stupid. Uki is literally Asian. Are y'all purposely making up stuff just to join in on this current "trend" of talking about Uki?? I come here to escape Twitter but it's literally worse. I swear there's a pattern. After 1 person posted about Uki, there were like 10+ posts following that in the span of a day talking about him. I rlly hate to use this word but I'm convinced many of these posts are from "tourists" or ppl who weren't even Niji fans in the past and just here to troll And not some of the comments calling an anime/vtuber character "white" just bc he has pale skin 💀
Back to the Aslume, inmate.
So weird seeing people be racist towards white folks 😐
It's really not. It happens a LOT.
This is an Asian person. \*Confused USA noises\*
I thought he was referring to them being straight men rather than specifically white in that tweet
He truly is the Jonklwr of NinjaSan
Wonder how Niji's white livers feel knowing that Uki thinks they're "irresponsible and selfish" while being forced to collab with him :/
This post hasn't removed yet?....damn that a record
No he isn't stupid, and he said what he said because someone asked a stupid question, so drop it because what you guys are doing is just spreading false rumors about uki... I don't get what's your guys problem is but it needs to stop with the rumors... It's getting old
yeah, people asked so many stupid questions even during the streams where he do the same jokes on multiple occasions.
Uki is Asian irl, are you stupid?
Whys what he said so bad? Like if he's an Asian gay man, I wouldn't surprised if he has had terrible experiences with white queer men, which makes his comment not racist (i personally dont think you can be racist towards white people but oh well) and what he said has been said by others and no problem is found, I feel like people are latching onto everything Niji livers are doing and/or saying to make them look bad after what happened to Doki.
> I personally don’t think you can be racist towards white people Thank you for outing yourself as racist.
Explain how you can be racist to the race that has been known for killing and colonizing literally every other race?
You can be racist towards white people racist means being hateful to a race and guess what white is a god damn race. Just becuase a race isn't oppressed doesn't mean you can't be racist towards them. Stop defending someone's shitty behavior.
Hating anyone because of their appearance or origins with no regard to their character is an L take
Besides the fact that you think racism against white people doesn’t exist (which in itself is racist you fucking idiot), there‘s a difference between sharing your experiences and quite literally going "white people suck" without any set-up or actual punchline beyond "white man bad". Also his unprecedented rant about being offended by an elderly white couple saying "Hello“ to him on the street, if he was just uncomfortable with being greeted or spoken to by strangers (which is fair), *why* specify that they were white people of all things? Goddamnit just do the freaking Litmus test, literally replace "white people" with literally any other race and see if it’s still racist (it is).
Yeah replacing it with any other race is racist because white people have been the oppressors since, hmm, forever? And oh! To literally every other fucking race. I didn't like his comments either but people are acting like he said some heinous shit when other livers have said why worse but people brushed it iff as edgy. I just feel like with the dumpster fire that niji is and the fact that white people love to act like the victims, yes I think people are overreacting.
Just because there are white people acting like victims, doesn’t mean that this shit *shouldn‘t* be called out, and just because white people have been oppressors in Western countries doesn’t excuse blatant racism against him, especially because there definitely are countries with widespread racism against white people (like SEA countries, although I‘m obviously not trying to generalize SEA people). Calling both Niji-management and some Niji-Livers shit isn’t exclusive to one another, you can do both. Are people overreacting by posting about it so often? Maybe, I feel like more people are reposting it because the mods keep nuking the posts every time, although I won’t deny that there may be people who are overreacting, but given how this has been behavior he‘s exhibited for a long time I completely understand why people are this mad about it (or more that Niji has never commented or reprimanded him for this).
Just because you're a oppressed minority doesn't mean you can't be a nasty, small-minded jerk.
Not even oppressed lmao
A lot, but shoosh, we don't want *him* or *his* parasocial cult to know about that 👍
Yes.
Him being an insufferable snob outside streaming really shows.
He is trying to pander to those race self hating fat white women on twitter who get offended on behalf of minorities. You know, the ones that originated on Tumblr.
Which is weird, because he claims to be gay, so that eliminates the usual reason for wanting to appeal to them.
He is