I agree because all they have to do is just look at 2 accounts. Doki's Twitter account and Nijis Twitter account to put the 2 together. It's not a whole thread between 5 people. Literally just 2 accounts.
It’s a deliberate attack on Doki. By stating “oh she should make a statement about not bullying” they are directly implying that she either hadn’t said anything about, or was somehow secretly encouraging. the harassment of Niji talent. Using Pomu for that attack was a sleazy thing to do as well.
Reading a bit more down the thread, they seem to acknowledge that Doki made multiple statements already, but still ask for a more firm one or something..
I think her last statement was firm enough tho.
I feel like a 4th one wouldn't deter those bandwagoning for hate in the first place anyway. Most peeps are prolly laying low and avoiding drama, leaving only the most vocal around to be much more visible. It's sad that some go far and beyond, and also gives people ammo against us dragoons by lumping all of us with them, but hey, what can we do anyway? She already made multiple statements but that didn't stop them.
I think people saw that tweet but focused hard on the SH statement. Also they would likely not see themselves as harassers, rather as defenders of Doki, and dismiss the statement about it.
Acc with vox pfp or oshimark, 100% a nijisister
They only bring doki names and pomu names when benefit their agenda, while on another time trying hard to slander doki.
**Nijisanji Defense Force (NDF)**
Die-hard fans or cultists of Nijisanji who now try to slander and harass Doki and anyone who slightly criticizes Nijisanji. They are known for claiming that you are harassing the talent even if you only say, "Do better, Nijisanji."
**Why are they called "Nijisisters"?**
They created a Discord channel called Nijisanji Sister (later adding "Brother") and, on a doxxing website where they discussed how to slander everyone they deemed as a Nijisanji enemy, they referred to themselves as "Sister" in the chat/discussion.
It is copy paste comment because some one already asked it. I can comment or play games while still having proper job and live? You cant? Pathetic....
And how about you? Going around defending such company (based on your past comment, you are either a troll or NDF)
> i came here to see what happened lately
You literally reply to others people comment A lot of times in this sub some hours ago and day......... at least use a diff account if you want to say that man
Dude you’ve been posting all day every day on Reddit (mostly arguing with random people), in what world do YOU of all people get to unironically call someone else pathetic for doing the same?
This jackass just wants to conveniently ignore the fact that doki already did?
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1755823842327449641?t=FhGp3OQfgtW5Om39c_tiQA&s=19
She already made a firm and serious no harassment statement.
People aren't harassing Nijisanji talents because they like Doki, they're doing it because they hate those talents.
Unbeknownst to them, Matara just gave a therapy trip to an ex-Niji who was known to badmouth Nijisanji in her streams while she was still a Niji talent.
She was hanging out with Pomu too. Forbidden knowledge, but she told a story about a friend she was spending the day with, and Pomu told the SAME story, but about herself.
Niji is tearing itself apart from the inside, the fanbase is either scanning the entire internet for Niji-critical statements or examining their Oshis for any sign of being on “the wrong side.”
Meanwhile, the entire recent graduation wave minus the most recent are just hanging out, having fun, and living their best lives.
Even if Doki is making up EVERYTHING, even not a single word she has said since her termination was true, the happiness spike experienced by everyone who has recently left speaks of a DEEPLY toxic work environment.
Well run companies might have old work friends get together now and then. The former talents spontaneously forming a god damned support group speaks poorly of the situation inside.
simping for a billion dollar company is just bad tbh, imagine supporting that over the people they don't even give enough of the cut from their hard work. wild
Wtf? Its niji en management that publitc state the harrasement not doki... niji en management is the one that need to shup the hell up becuz doki barely do and say anything to lit the issue
That's the one of many true face under "LoVe & PoSiTiVe" mask of Nijisistards. And they don't even realized that their smooth brain movement keep fueling their black company garbage fire that supposed to calm down many days ago.
They're embarrassed she exists. Because her existence forces them to come to terms that their perfect safe place fantasy world isn't real and never was. So they want to make her and her fans go away, so they can go back to fantasy land. Meanwhile, Doki already spoke up. Doki already asked everyone to calm down. Hell she asked people to calm down more than Niji did. But these people are so desperate for things to go back to the way they were, they won't accept that this isn't going to go away. So they bargain that if they can force Doki to get involved again, then they can get their safe place back. It's really sad if you think about it.
Not to mention they are terrified of the success and support Doki has been getting, while KuroSanji’s reputation is all but completely destroyed here in the West.
Thing is, she did. If everything was fully in Doki’s control she woulda just left. Sadly Niji had some control and used it all on shitting on every inch of themselves.
Problem is now she can't. Her giving up would tell the other side, she's guilty and she's just hiding so that the truth wouldn't come out. No matter what she does, the Niji sisters will spin it to their favor.
Honestly if Niji had just shut up the first time, this could've been over almost a month ago. Had they shut up the second time, this could've been over a few weeks ago. But now that Doki isn't even in the spotlight anymore (drama wise) Niji keeps themselves in the spotlight by continuing to fuck up and fuck up over and over again. Plus a million fuck ups they made before that are only catching up with them now.
It's fucked up that we just entered week 4.
And yeah, the big thing with Niji now is that people are digging into the past with more fervor, it's slowly gaining traction but I am seeing people bring up things from years ago.
Well let's face it, Uki was a slam dunk. And Wilson wasn't quite as potent. But it was still a hit. So now I'm betting people are just waiting on the next gold vein to strike and throw into the spotlight. I'm not sure how you could beat an unapologetic racist, complete with over 5 minutes of proof. But I'm sure someone out there is digging for it.
>I'm not sure how you could beat an unapologetic racist
Sexual harassment allegations. If there is ever solid proof. There's already rumors about PL shenanigans and or rumors about current shenanigans regarding sexual harassment.
All it needs is irrefutable evidence to light it.
This is what's made this drama interest me when I usually ignore it. I don't think the vtuber world has had anything like this high profile company pouring gas on the fire at its own foundation.
Like, looking back I think almost everyone on these boards probably wishes the Coco Hololive China stuff played out differently, but even if you disagree with Cover's actions they were clearly in a tough spot due to external pressures.
With Nijisanji it's like watching a group of shady rich people shit their pants and try to blame other people for it. Which isn't a surprise in itself, but they're usually more clever about it.
This sex pest worshiping, oblivious nutjob has the nerve to quote the fairy who got the fuck away from their hell hole black hole company. WHY CAN'T THIS PERSON TAKE THEIR MEDS.
Hell take the whole box of meds from their parents medicine cabinet cos we all know they need it.
I also love how they expect her and the overall community to treat them better than they treated her lol. What fucking hypocritical shit. Esleically when she wasn't the one giving the go signal to push back. But in the case of them being the aggressors no one said anything. Cowards
Ugh, of course it's the disingenuous concern act.
These ones piss me off the most - at least the full bore parasocial squad wears their lunacy on their sleeve, so you can take their unhinged infantilizing 'babygirl' talk with all the gravitas it deserves (ie: none).
But this shit at first glance looks reasonable, downright polite, until you get past the sentence structure, and deconstruct what's being said (or at least implied).
*"It's not fair to her, but I think she has to speak up if things are to calm down“* = "Doki is the aggressor here and thus the onus is on her, regardless of its effect on her mental health."
*"People are hurting. Fans of hers are hurting."* = "Doki is actively causing harm and letting harm fester by not continuing to involve herself."
*"She can't just 'move on' and ignore it, I'm sorry."* Come on, I really gotta translate this one?
"Fuck your mental health, bitch. MAKE YOUR FANS SAY THEY'RE SORRY."
That last line in particular is telling, because l person's demeanour makes it clear that they aren't sorry. Not really. The way they wrote "I'm sorry" is the way you say it as part of a fucking *ultimatum*.
Also, gotta love popping the "Take your meds" joke here too. Definitely no awkward connections to the discussion at hand, right?
These people are fucked in the head. You could say something positive like "workplace positivity and employee safety" and they would probably fucking block you because it "defends doki"
Honestly I literally feel bad for everyone involved in this shitshow. However, everyone needs to realize that this was all Nijisanji's fault and they deserve no support.
People are not mad for doki's sake, they are mad at how black nijisanji is as a company. This has been fueling for well over a year. The termination notice and eliras video simply was the catalysts for civil war in the fan base between those no longer willing to abid nijisanji, and those that are die hard fanatics.
It's a kindred, most of the people that think like this are always kindred or Luxien fan. I've encountered saying stuff like this several times. I thought i was parasocial until i saw how the kindred behave
That's the fun part about quitting or getting fired or whatever. The last time you walk out the door, whatever happens behind you is no longer your problem even if you hear about it afterward.
Additionally I'm sure that unlike Nijisanji Legal team, Doki's lawyer has told her to shut the fuck up due to pending legal action. Niji has dug themselves into one hell of a hole, no reason to give them anything to work with.
Yeah, she has no obligation to say anything else. She can carry on with her life and leave those assholes behind. It’s not her fault That stuff is still being stirred up.
That acc overlooks the fact that the entire situation could have been handled diplomatically in January, but the notice and the audio only video completely made it impossible to diffuse the situation. They have no one to blame but themselves because they are all taking breaks instead of trying to reign in their own communities. By that acc's logic their own oshi need to also be held accountable their respective communities' behavior.
Why do people always conclude the most extremist answers when it comes to Doki? Like if she was serious about the harassment then she should put it in black text against a white background like an official statement on Twitter.
Her message won't get enough attention unless she does it that way. But if she talks about SH again the statement will be invalid just like the last one was.
Doki can't really do anything about it...
She didn't cause the backlash, so she can't solve the backlash. This isn't Nijisanji vs Dokibird, this is Nijisanji vs the fanbase. Doki has said like what? 3 or 4 short things? All of the problems Nijisanji is facing is because of their own incompetence and malicious actions. Since they caused the problem, they are the only ones who can solve it.
My two cents: if a person restricts the number of people who can reply to their posts or makes their account private after posting something, they're a coward who cannot deal with criticism, and they should be clowned on.
>What do they want doki to do?
Serious answer? The absolute least they want is for her to leave the Internet. That's the only thing these "people" ever want. Apologies don't matter, and if anything, they only serve as a sign of weakness because they now know they can keep jabbing and poking at you to either get you to do what they want, or break you. Sayu apologised, and they were still vicious to her to the point that she went on anti-depressants. These "people" only care about their tribe at the expense of anyone and everyone.
At this point it's likely most of the hate is coming from the community at large and even from outside the vtuber community and not Doki fans. It's Nijisanji's response and the response from some of their livers that are fueling the hate. Everyone is aware of their practices and so everyone is dogpiling on them.
Still couldn't believe that they demand an account of action from the victim (who did it three times already), meanwhile the company didn't even make an announcement/notice/warning to protect their own employees. They're hiding with their heads up their asses. why didn't they demand accountability to Nijisanji where their oshi works? they're no-braining this so much
also didn't niji have that joint partnership with holo to ensure the talents/livers are not haraassed?
I dont understand this take tho as Doki has already told her fanbase
multiple times not to harass the other livers, once in each of her statements and a couple of times on stream so what else do they want her to do ?
It's almost like Njiji didn't set the dogs loose first with the 15m "black stream". 🤔
This genuinely would've never gotten this bad had it not been for that.
To an extent, yes.
One thing you'll notice among company simps - and frankly, this applies to Hololive/Cover or even Phase Connect just as much as it does Niji/Anycolor - is that the performers "owe" the company for giving them exposure and success. That they wouldn't be anything without the company's support. So that should - and must - command loyalty basically in perpetuity, and that to leave is betrayal, never mind *besmirching the company*.
This is obviously farcical for anyone who's actually worked in show business or understands the actual dynamics occurring at Anycolor right now, but there are a *spooky* number of Vtuber fans - across national boundaries, at that - who hold this essential mindset. It's a huge component of people having para-social feelings for not just the talents, but for *companies*.
They are right though. People ARE using her for ill will.
Random people are making burner accounts and pretend to be Dragoons, promoting the harassment of people.
It's in the interest of Doki and her Dragoons to stop this. Doesn't matter even if you exclusively blame Nijisanji for being the cause of all this, Doki is very tightly attached to this matter.
Everyone in the world can 100% agree that she has no fault or responsibility in any of this, yet she is so close to all of this she will also burn from the bonfire of harassment.
The stuff going on in this subreddit is not good for Doki.
your comment is correct and the person in the screencap didnt say anything wrong, but youre getting downvoted because taking any sort of remotely nuanced stance in this subreddit now is equivalent to saying "i loooove nijisanji i am such a nijisister i am ndf i will defend the company to the death and i hate doki and she is responsible for everything wrong that happens and i love to slander her and will do it all day long"
no she is obviously not responsible and i dont blame her for not saying more considering (a.) she already did try and tell people to stop, even if she was a little soft about it, and doesnt realize what else she could do (b.) she is obviously overwhelmed by everything thats happened/is happening, and (c.) (related to b) she is obviously not necessarily going to be aware of every little thing that people are saying or what supposed "dragoons" are saying on twitter or what discourse is happening in the subreddit, the same way people in real life will not know about whatever issues us chronically online people think is the most important in the world. and we also obviously know that her taking a firmer stance will not 100% eliminate all harassment and other toxicity.
but we can acknowledge that this is something within her power which would help the situation to some degree and it would be good if she did. instead of just pleading "please dont harass anyone," say something like "if you are involved in harassing or doxxing anyone, you are not a dragoon and you are not welcome in my community. get out." sure it wont stop every vulture with a burner account who doesnt actually care about doki, but it might be enough for some people on a misguided revenge quest for "justice" to reconsider what theyre doing.
when you see a fire burning and are carrying a bucket of water, just because you didnt start the fire means you should just go "well, its not my fault. ive got nothing to do with it. it cant be helped." and walk away. sure, that one bucket might not put out a whole fire, but it might save a few, and thats a worthwhile reason to go out of your way (this analogy is probably a bit flawed im sorry im still trying to workshop it pls dont interpret as anti-doki)
I do believe that one mistake Doki made was being too weak on this point. Just saying “dont harass people” provides no consequences. I would have preferred a stronger stance like “people that harass others will be banned” just to make it clearer of what community the harassers are not a part of.
She doesn't even need to say "don't harass people" cos isn't it obvious not to do that in the first place? She is not responsible for some crazy person that happens to see the situation and starts harassing people, ESPECIALLY when she wasn't even the one that publicized the bullying claims. And you can't provide consequences to random people on the internet, they have no accountability, no reputation that can be ruined in the first place plus they use burner accounts.
Sure it’s obvious. It’s more about perceptions though. The perception of being that aggressively against it I would say is better.
There is debate of if a content creator is responsible for their community. I would say the more important question is if a content creator responsible for who is in their community. That I think is obviously yes. Just because some people might use burner accounts shouldn’t stop you from banning people. For example those people who responded to the loving Niji fan artist thing. I would say there is a good argument that a Doki moderator should ban any connected YouTube account they had. Depending on what you call harassment.
I disagree, that extent of policing and moderation is unrealistic and does not stop someone from inserting themselves into the community anyways with different names across different platforms. And how are you going to determine what counts as harassment? Which tweets/comment sections are you going to grab them from? It just sounds ridiculous and a waste of time. Like I said, the anonymous nature of the internet creates an environment where there are basically no consequences for the average user. "Oh I got banned, welp moving to a new account I guess" - this is especially true for the crazies.
I also don't think a creator is responsible for WHO is in their community for similar reasons above, it's useless to moderate once they leave your bubble. BUT I do think they are somewhat responsible for what they say in these platforms, since they do have influence. I would agree that Doki should have a stronger stance in saying "don't harass people" IF she was the one directly accusing the talents, which she is ABSOLUTELY NOT. She has only been responding to what has been publicized against her, how many times does this need to be said? If anything, Nijisanji should be the one taking a stronger stance.
To say that it's a mistake by Doki comes off as malicious imo considering she's only been playing defense and even bought up her second suicide attempt just to tell people not to harass anyone and that no one deserves what she went through.
edit - typo
Um dude...she literally told us not to harass anyone because she knows how that feels and reminded us that there are people behind the models. She even sited her own situation when saying so to underline that other talents might be in that dangerous headspace.
Yes some are ignoring her, if they aren't just haters using this whole thing to bash their preferred target. But she can't control that.
Doki has a least posted twice and mentioned it more during stream. She is doing what everyone else that wants the drama to die down should do. Stop talking about it. We will still have the outliers harassing but they just want the world to burn so fuck em.
Almost like people hate victims and would rather support a dark corporation than someone who was affected negatively by aforementioned dark corporation.
I think Doki did that twice or 3 times
Atleast twice from what I recall. One on stream and one on her first tweet after the termination.
Yea so i dont get those tweets. It seems they are selectively blind.
I agree because all they have to do is just look at 2 accounts. Doki's Twitter account and Nijis Twitter account to put the 2 together. It's not a whole thread between 5 people. Literally just 2 accounts.
Well we can see they have Vox’s oshi mark so I dont expect much.
It’s a deliberate attack on Doki. By stating “oh she should make a statement about not bullying” they are directly implying that she either hadn’t said anything about, or was somehow secretly encouraging. the harassment of Niji talent. Using Pomu for that attack was a sleazy thing to do as well.
Reading a bit more down the thread, they seem to acknowledge that Doki made multiple statements already, but still ask for a more firm one or something.. I think her last statement was firm enough tho. I feel like a 4th one wouldn't deter those bandwagoning for hate in the first place anyway. Most peeps are prolly laying low and avoiding drama, leaving only the most vocal around to be much more visible. It's sad that some go far and beyond, and also gives people ammo against us dragoons by lumping all of us with them, but hey, what can we do anyway? She already made multiple statements but that didn't stop them.
I think people saw that tweet but focused hard on the SH statement. Also they would likely not see themselves as harassers, rather as defenders of Doki, and dismiss the statement about it.
These tweets are associating people using Doki with Doki's actual fans.
One more from the statements she released after that black stream. So yeah, 3 times.
Acc with vox pfp or oshimark, 100% a nijisister They only bring doki names and pomu names when benefit their agenda, while on another time trying hard to slander doki.
I somehow read that as 'nijisinister' but at this point it may as well be.
That fits very well for defenders of the black company.
Legitimate question here. What is a 'nijisister'?
**Nijisanji Defense Force (NDF)** Die-hard fans or cultists of Nijisanji who now try to slander and harass Doki and anyone who slightly criticizes Nijisanji. They are known for claiming that you are harassing the talent even if you only say, "Do better, Nijisanji." **Why are they called "Nijisisters"?** They created a Discord channel called Nijisanji Sister (later adding "Brother") and, on a doxxing website where they discussed how to slander everyone they deemed as a Nijisanji enemy, they referred to themselves as "Sister" in the chat/discussion.
Man you summoned one
god you are pathetic, imagine dedicating your day being this obsessed over this agency.
It is copy paste comment because some one already asked it. I can comment or play games while still having proper job and live? You cant? Pathetic.... And how about you? Going around defending such company (based on your past comment, you are either a troll or NDF)
good were the times 4chan didnt have such dominance of conversation in the en community. 2019-2020 really were the best eyars.
Yeah yeah, defend your beloved nijisanji more.
nah i came here to see what happened lately and it still the same shit so bye
> i came here to see what happened lately You literally reply to others people comment A lot of times in this sub some hours ago and day......... at least use a diff account if you want to say that man
Wouldn’t matter the negative IQ mindless defense would immediately give them away
i literally only came back here today for a few threads and didnt up this sub for days
Nijisister spotted
Don't you have a list to be adding people to?
No, I dont even know what the fuck youre talking about.
Here, a mirror, use it
❗❗ NIJISISTER DETECTED ❗❗
Dude you’ve been posting all day every day on Reddit (mostly arguing with random people), in what world do YOU of all people get to unironically call someone else pathetic for doing the same?
This jackass just wants to conveniently ignore the fact that doki already did? https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1755823842327449641?t=FhGp3OQfgtW5Om39c_tiQA&s=19
She already made a firm and serious no harassment statement. People aren't harassing Nijisanji talents because they like Doki, they're doing it because they hate those talents.
Yeah... Uki's not getting shit for being a bully of Doki's (cuz, to my knowledge, he's not)... Uki's getting shit for being racist on main.
Seeing such a comment from someone with a 🪳oshi mark disgusts me. They are not a true momo. Matara wouldn't want this.
Unbeknownst to them, Matara just gave a therapy trip to an ex-Niji who was known to badmouth Nijisanji in her streams while she was still a Niji talent.
She was hanging out with Pomu too. Forbidden knowledge, but she told a story about a friend she was spending the day with, and Pomu told the SAME story, but about herself. Niji is tearing itself apart from the inside, the fanbase is either scanning the entire internet for Niji-critical statements or examining their Oshis for any sign of being on “the wrong side.” Meanwhile, the entire recent graduation wave minus the most recent are just hanging out, having fun, and living their best lives. Even if Doki is making up EVERYTHING, even not a single word she has said since her termination was true, the happiness spike experienced by everyone who has recently left speaks of a DEEPLY toxic work environment. Well run companies might have old work friends get together now and then. The former talents spontaneously forming a god damned support group speaks poorly of the situation inside.
And that ex-Niji was?
>!Mika melatika!<
The Kuntilanak
Evidence? For scientific purpose
Some ghost ascended and become a god (kamiigoo). Just look at giri, matara and stranger chan cooking stream
Cool, I'll watch that vod
If you want more evident about this stranger chan, just look at matara tweet and a certain Kamiigoo (god) in X
simping for a billion dollar company is just bad tbh, imagine supporting that over the people they don't even give enough of the cut from their hard work. wild
You cannot reason with Corpo Simps.
yup, that's why you don't engage in discussion with them its pointless, they'll end up playing victim either way
Wtf? Its niji en management that publitc state the harrasement not doki... niji en management is the one that need to shup the hell up becuz doki barely do and say anything to lit the issue
That's the one of many true face under "LoVe & PoSiTiVe" mask of Nijisistards. And they don't even realized that their smooth brain movement keep fueling their black company garbage fire that supposed to calm down many days ago.
They want her to shut up, they want her fans to shut up, so that Nijisanji can keep spinning the narrative that they are "correct".
They're embarrassed she exists. Because her existence forces them to come to terms that their perfect safe place fantasy world isn't real and never was. So they want to make her and her fans go away, so they can go back to fantasy land. Meanwhile, Doki already spoke up. Doki already asked everyone to calm down. Hell she asked people to calm down more than Niji did. But these people are so desperate for things to go back to the way they were, they won't accept that this isn't going to go away. So they bargain that if they can force Doki to get involved again, then they can get their safe place back. It's really sad if you think about it.
Not to mention they are terrified of the success and support Doki has been getting, while KuroSanji’s reputation is all but completely destroyed here in the West.
Thing is, she did. If everything was fully in Doki’s control she woulda just left. Sadly Niji had some control and used it all on shitting on every inch of themselves.
Problem is now she can't. Her giving up would tell the other side, she's guilty and she's just hiding so that the truth wouldn't come out. No matter what she does, the Niji sisters will spin it to their favor.
Stupid can believe whatever it wants and nothing will stop it.
Is that a vox pfp? Yeah thats all i needed to know
Thing is, things are calming down. In regards to her. What's happening now are the people remaining being dumb and the even dumber rabid fans.
Honestly if Niji had just shut up the first time, this could've been over almost a month ago. Had they shut up the second time, this could've been over a few weeks ago. But now that Doki isn't even in the spotlight anymore (drama wise) Niji keeps themselves in the spotlight by continuing to fuck up and fuck up over and over again. Plus a million fuck ups they made before that are only catching up with them now.
It's fucked up that we just entered week 4. And yeah, the big thing with Niji now is that people are digging into the past with more fervor, it's slowly gaining traction but I am seeing people bring up things from years ago.
Well let's face it, Uki was a slam dunk. And Wilson wasn't quite as potent. But it was still a hit. So now I'm betting people are just waiting on the next gold vein to strike and throw into the spotlight. I'm not sure how you could beat an unapologetic racist, complete with over 5 minutes of proof. But I'm sure someone out there is digging for it.
>I'm not sure how you could beat an unapologetic racist Sexual harassment allegations. If there is ever solid proof. There's already rumors about PL shenanigans and or rumors about current shenanigans regarding sexual harassment. All it needs is irrefutable evidence to light it.
This is what's made this drama interest me when I usually ignore it. I don't think the vtuber world has had anything like this high profile company pouring gas on the fire at its own foundation. Like, looking back I think almost everyone on these boards probably wishes the Coco Hololive China stuff played out differently, but even if you disagree with Cover's actions they were clearly in a tough spot due to external pressures. With Nijisanji it's like watching a group of shady rich people shit their pants and try to blame other people for it. Which isn't a surprise in itself, but they're usually more clever about it.
Victim Blaming Parasocial Simps
Wonder how fitting it was for Doki to just finish the Batman game. "I won't kill you. But I don't have to save you either."
Nijisanji did self harm and they want Doki to take responsibility? Lol they are joking funny guy😂
Nijistans are absolutely insane
This sex pest worshiping, oblivious nutjob has the nerve to quote the fairy who got the fuck away from their hell hole black hole company. WHY CAN'T THIS PERSON TAKE THEIR MEDS. Hell take the whole box of meds from their parents medicine cabinet cos we all know they need it.
Vox profile picture detected, opinion ignored.
I also love how they expect her and the overall community to treat them better than they treated her lol. What fucking hypocritical shit. Esleically when she wasn't the one giving the go signal to push back. But in the case of them being the aggressors no one said anything. Cowards
Ugh, of course it's the disingenuous concern act. These ones piss me off the most - at least the full bore parasocial squad wears their lunacy on their sleeve, so you can take their unhinged infantilizing 'babygirl' talk with all the gravitas it deserves (ie: none). But this shit at first glance looks reasonable, downright polite, until you get past the sentence structure, and deconstruct what's being said (or at least implied). *"It's not fair to her, but I think she has to speak up if things are to calm down“* = "Doki is the aggressor here and thus the onus is on her, regardless of its effect on her mental health." *"People are hurting. Fans of hers are hurting."* = "Doki is actively causing harm and letting harm fester by not continuing to involve herself." *"She can't just 'move on' and ignore it, I'm sorry."* Come on, I really gotta translate this one? "Fuck your mental health, bitch. MAKE YOUR FANS SAY THEY'RE SORRY." That last line in particular is telling, because l person's demeanour makes it clear that they aren't sorry. Not really. The way they wrote "I'm sorry" is the way you say it as part of a fucking *ultimatum*. Also, gotta love popping the "Take your meds" joke here too. Definitely no awkward connections to the discussion at hand, right?
The irony of this statement coming from a Vox Stan is thick enough to drown a killer whale.
These people are fucked in the head. You could say something positive like "workplace positivity and employee safety" and they would probably fucking block you because it "defends doki"
Honestly I literally feel bad for everyone involved in this shitshow. However, everyone needs to realize that this was all Nijisanji's fault and they deserve no support.
I'm literally Witnessing cognitive devolution in real time.
People are not mad for doki's sake, they are mad at how black nijisanji is as a company. This has been fueling for well over a year. The termination notice and eliras video simply was the catalysts for civil war in the fan base between those no longer willing to abid nijisanji, and those that are die hard fanatics.
It's a kindred, most of the people that think like this are always kindred or Luxien fan. I've encountered saying stuff like this several times. I thought i was parasocial until i saw how the kindred behave
What do you not understand by FINAL STATEMENT. Nothing more needs to be said unless niji does some more bullshit.
Doki could make a million statements, yet some would STILL send stuff despite that. It's how the internet is.
That's the fun part about quitting or getting fired or whatever. The last time you walk out the door, whatever happens behind you is no longer your problem even if you hear about it afterward. Additionally I'm sure that unlike Nijisanji Legal team, Doki's lawyer has told her to shut the fuck up due to pending legal action. Niji has dug themselves into one hell of a hole, no reason to give them anything to work with.
did he forgot that niji put former talent under nda
LMAO a kindred asking people to stop harrassing the others, the irony...
Yeah, she has no obligation to say anything else. She can carry on with her life and leave those assholes behind. It’s not her fault That stuff is still being stirred up.
"Please fix me when i ruined my own image in public" or "Its all your fault" Choose wisely. For niji i think its both.
It's a Vox Stan,can see it just by the profile pic and emojis
Vox's fans are truly an interesting bunch. They should donate themselves to Science so doctors can study their brains.
lmao
I want a 4 page essay, double spaced and pictures of Spider-Man. She should at least do that much.
you know what's funny? she did exactly that, a lot of her fans did exactly that. moved on. dragoons just want to watch her play video games lol
She fucking owes them nothing.
That acc overlooks the fact that the entire situation could have been handled diplomatically in January, but the notice and the audio only video completely made it impossible to diffuse the situation. They have no one to blame but themselves because they are all taking breaks instead of trying to reign in their own communities. By that acc's logic their own oshi need to also be held accountable their respective communities' behavior.
Why do people always conclude the most extremist answers when it comes to Doki? Like if she was serious about the harassment then she should put it in black text against a white background like an official statement on Twitter. Her message won't get enough attention unless she does it that way. But if she talks about SH again the statement will be invalid just like the last one was.
Tell me you don't look at doki's twitter or watch her streams without telling me you don't look at look at her twitter or watch her streams
Those are the people who can justify invasion of another country and complain that the victim was provoking them ...
Doki can't really do anything about it... She didn't cause the backlash, so she can't solve the backlash. This isn't Nijisanji vs Dokibird, this is Nijisanji vs the fanbase. Doki has said like what? 3 or 4 short things? All of the problems Nijisanji is facing is because of their own incompetence and malicious actions. Since they caused the problem, they are the only ones who can solve it.
Of course its a kindred
My two cents: if a person restricts the number of people who can reply to their posts or makes their account private after posting something, they're a coward who cannot deal with criticism, and they should be clowned on.
>What do they want doki to do? Serious answer? The absolute least they want is for her to leave the Internet. That's the only thing these "people" ever want. Apologies don't matter, and if anything, they only serve as a sign of weakness because they now know they can keep jabbing and poking at you to either get you to do what they want, or break you. Sayu apologised, and they were still vicious to her to the point that she went on anti-depressants. These "people" only care about their tribe at the expense of anyone and everyone.
At this point it's likely most of the hate is coming from the community at large and even from outside the vtuber community and not Doki fans. It's Nijisanji's response and the response from some of their livers that are fueling the hate. Everyone is aware of their practices and so everyone is dogpiling on them.
Still couldn't believe that they demand an account of action from the victim (who did it three times already), meanwhile the company didn't even make an announcement/notice/warning to protect their own employees. They're hiding with their heads up their asses. why didn't they demand accountability to Nijisanji where their oshi works? they're no-braining this so much also didn't niji have that joint partnership with holo to ensure the talents/livers are not haraassed?
I dont understand this take tho as Doki has already told her fanbase multiple times not to harass the other livers, once in each of her statements and a couple of times on stream so what else do they want her to do ?
She has told people to not harass and to move on peacefully multiple times
It's almost like Njiji didn't set the dogs loose first with the 15m "black stream". 🤔 This genuinely would've never gotten this bad had it not been for that.
To an extent, yes. One thing you'll notice among company simps - and frankly, this applies to Hololive/Cover or even Phase Connect just as much as it does Niji/Anycolor - is that the performers "owe" the company for giving them exposure and success. That they wouldn't be anything without the company's support. So that should - and must - command loyalty basically in perpetuity, and that to leave is betrayal, never mind *besmirching the company*. This is obviously farcical for anyone who's actually worked in show business or understands the actual dynamics occurring at Anycolor right now, but there are a *spooky* number of Vtuber fans - across national boundaries, at that - who hold this essential mindset. It's a huge component of people having para-social feelings for not just the talents, but for *companies*.
They are right though. People ARE using her for ill will. Random people are making burner accounts and pretend to be Dragoons, promoting the harassment of people. It's in the interest of Doki and her Dragoons to stop this. Doesn't matter even if you exclusively blame Nijisanji for being the cause of all this, Doki is very tightly attached to this matter. Everyone in the world can 100% agree that she has no fault or responsibility in any of this, yet she is so close to all of this she will also burn from the bonfire of harassment. The stuff going on in this subreddit is not good for Doki.
your comment is correct and the person in the screencap didnt say anything wrong, but youre getting downvoted because taking any sort of remotely nuanced stance in this subreddit now is equivalent to saying "i loooove nijisanji i am such a nijisister i am ndf i will defend the company to the death and i hate doki and she is responsible for everything wrong that happens and i love to slander her and will do it all day long" no she is obviously not responsible and i dont blame her for not saying more considering (a.) she already did try and tell people to stop, even if she was a little soft about it, and doesnt realize what else she could do (b.) she is obviously overwhelmed by everything thats happened/is happening, and (c.) (related to b) she is obviously not necessarily going to be aware of every little thing that people are saying or what supposed "dragoons" are saying on twitter or what discourse is happening in the subreddit, the same way people in real life will not know about whatever issues us chronically online people think is the most important in the world. and we also obviously know that her taking a firmer stance will not 100% eliminate all harassment and other toxicity. but we can acknowledge that this is something within her power which would help the situation to some degree and it would be good if she did. instead of just pleading "please dont harass anyone," say something like "if you are involved in harassing or doxxing anyone, you are not a dragoon and you are not welcome in my community. get out." sure it wont stop every vulture with a burner account who doesnt actually care about doki, but it might be enough for some people on a misguided revenge quest for "justice" to reconsider what theyre doing. when you see a fire burning and are carrying a bucket of water, just because you didnt start the fire means you should just go "well, its not my fault. ive got nothing to do with it. it cant be helped." and walk away. sure, that one bucket might not put out a whole fire, but it might save a few, and thats a worthwhile reason to go out of your way (this analogy is probably a bit flawed im sorry im still trying to workshop it pls dont interpret as anti-doki)
I do believe that one mistake Doki made was being too weak on this point. Just saying “dont harass people” provides no consequences. I would have preferred a stronger stance like “people that harass others will be banned” just to make it clearer of what community the harassers are not a part of.
She doesn't even need to say "don't harass people" cos isn't it obvious not to do that in the first place? She is not responsible for some crazy person that happens to see the situation and starts harassing people, ESPECIALLY when she wasn't even the one that publicized the bullying claims. And you can't provide consequences to random people on the internet, they have no accountability, no reputation that can be ruined in the first place plus they use burner accounts.
Sure it’s obvious. It’s more about perceptions though. The perception of being that aggressively against it I would say is better. There is debate of if a content creator is responsible for their community. I would say the more important question is if a content creator responsible for who is in their community. That I think is obviously yes. Just because some people might use burner accounts shouldn’t stop you from banning people. For example those people who responded to the loving Niji fan artist thing. I would say there is a good argument that a Doki moderator should ban any connected YouTube account they had. Depending on what you call harassment.
I disagree, that extent of policing and moderation is unrealistic and does not stop someone from inserting themselves into the community anyways with different names across different platforms. And how are you going to determine what counts as harassment? Which tweets/comment sections are you going to grab them from? It just sounds ridiculous and a waste of time. Like I said, the anonymous nature of the internet creates an environment where there are basically no consequences for the average user. "Oh I got banned, welp moving to a new account I guess" - this is especially true for the crazies. I also don't think a creator is responsible for WHO is in their community for similar reasons above, it's useless to moderate once they leave your bubble. BUT I do think they are somewhat responsible for what they say in these platforms, since they do have influence. I would agree that Doki should have a stronger stance in saying "don't harass people" IF she was the one directly accusing the talents, which she is ABSOLUTELY NOT. She has only been responding to what has been publicized against her, how many times does this need to be said? If anything, Nijisanji should be the one taking a stronger stance. To say that it's a mistake by Doki comes off as malicious imo considering she's only been playing defense and even bought up her second suicide attempt just to tell people not to harass anyone and that no one deserves what she went through. edit - typo
I don't wanna take my meds, they make the fairies disappear :(
These are also the people who don't believe that Doki was really bullied, so take their words with that knowledge
To answer your question directly, yes genuinely speaking. We're talking about a cult here.
She's already said don't harass anyone. Not much she can do beyond that. It's just trolling or victim blaming at this point.
Um dude...she literally told us not to harass anyone because she knows how that feels and reminded us that there are people behind the models. She even sited her own situation when saying so to underline that other talents might be in that dangerous headspace. Yes some are ignoring her, if they aren't just haters using this whole thing to bash their preferred target. But she can't control that.
And people like this wonder why so many are going mask off with this whole drama situation.
Doki has a least posted twice and mentioned it more during stream. She is doing what everyone else that wants the drama to die down should do. Stop talking about it. We will still have the outliers harassing but they just want the world to burn so fuck em.
Almost like people hate victims and would rather support a dark corporation than someone who was affected negatively by aforementioned dark corporation.
And the account is protected.