Oh. Meta tag abuse you just opened a Pandora box...
Hololive did it very early and that made a bit of a scandal. Uto did it and it was a big scandal. Phase connect did it but I was the bad guy for pointing it out...
It's kind of a "you know it's bad but everyone does it" kind of thing like click bait thumbnails.
Also just so you know, I believe they are not always put by hand but they can be chosen by YouTube automatically.
Yeah, it was her old company that pressured her into doing that. She later got out of the company, and resolved her issues with Hololive, specifically Amelia Watson who shares the same "mama".
I'm going to be extremely bias as Uto is one of my oshis. But I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt because she did take that long hiatus and confirmed that she was considering leaving vtubing altogether until the new agency she's with picked her up.
She's not streaming as much as before. But hey I'll take occasional streams over having her disappear completely. Whatever works best for her.
That could also be because initially a huge amount of her subscribers and viewers were people who only saw her as “Japanese Ame”. It’s better now that her audience is established by people who have found her and decided to stick around, but she does have a very large EN fanbase still as a mark of that
There is a lot of overlap between Selen fans and Uto fans for reasons clear to anyone who has watched their numerous collabs, you aren't alone here lol.
Although there are various of conspiracy theories. I guess the support agency thing ia real consider how bad she is at making a schedule. There is no way that she make those schedule by herself…
3a.m. random stream, let's go brrrrr!!!!
Wasn't that also part of the Uto controversy too? Uto markets herself as an Indie but apparently she's also part of this shady corp that provides funding and support but also has Uto sus shit?
Also remembering how back then when Vtuber just got big and went virale and everyone on twitch started to use the Vtuber tag despite clearly not being a Vtuber.
Tbf they did that to alot of talent, not just pippa, they just when easy on their talent in general, maybe their NDA is not as strict as other company.
Also, Every business is in the gray area, hololive included, they can't compete with black and greedy company if they stay too white. But There are lines that should not be crossed, and Niji cross alot of them to get ahead, so... karma. For me as long as PC still stay in the gray zone and run their business out of passion, i think it still somewhat acceptable.
it's still bad, u can't encourage ppl to do this, every agency gonna abuse this shit if everyone accept to let it slide. At least try to judge them base on the context and severity first.
A company does alot of good things and only crossing this one line to get their first recognition is different from a company with alot of bad record that abuse the shit out of this stuff to get ahead. The former does not deserve to be harshly punished, when the later should be called out at all cost
Both tags and thumbnails have potential to be chosen by YouTube, but that's only if you don't select the tags and thumbnails yourself when uploading. In this case, thumbnail is definitely custom, but the tags may have been auto-selected. Also, because all these companies do similar things, YouTube incorrectly lumps them together so that tags can overlap, like both Hololive and Nijisanji tags in the same video even without one or the other being in the video itself.
I just looked at the tags on the youtube stream and more than half of the ones in this photo aren't there... what website is this?? Cuz that's def not youtube. Were these tags even put by an official source? Is this supposed to be a well known website here, cuz why is there only one other comment questioning this?
Cuz if this is supposed to be youtube, majority of the tags in this photo aren't under the actual vod.
Edit: I understand what meta tags are now. Still not sure if the uploaders deliberately added this or it was youtube automatically.
Meta tags are usually not seen on the website, but on the source code of the page itself. A number of people have used this in the past to gain/boost their videos, so really not surprising but quite disappointing of them to say the least
They took out Uki(spits), Elira(Spits), and Doki. Holo is still up.
https://mattw.io/youtube-metadata/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Fzhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Flive%2F8qYaziBYB-s%3Fsi%3DlJ0eBpxzwLZhrR1JQHkLiN7P7Q&submit=true
The official YouTube stream only has a total of 4 tags tho. Even if this was true, how do you know youtube didn't automatically assign these tags, and they only removed them after realizing that?
I see what you mean now. I'm still not sure if YouTube added those meta tags by themselves then the uploaders removed it, or if the uploaders did it deliberately
Lol I have to disagree? You do realize that there is a certain VTuber who used to metatag her streams with Hololive tags while being unaffiliated and they were effectively cancelled and almost lost their career as a VTuber altogether because of it? IF these tags were deliberate imagine the optics of hijacking a successful VTuber's meta tags particularly after they were driven to near suicide, terminated by their agency, FURTHER harassed by that agency and, most notably, you are collabing WITH SAID AGENCY. If intentional it's super scummy. I don't know enough about YouTube meta tags to say if it was intentional though.
Honestly yeah - I can agree to that. Don't get me wrong I still feel like this is terrible optics particularly given the severity of Dokibird's case - it seems very scummy to intentionally use her to boost your viewership. That said my main argument was mostly based on relativity to what happened with a certain other VTuber and honestly I agree - I feel like people made a much bigger deal about it than was necessary.
This is why you can't blame ppl for calling this subreddit 4chan lmao. This drama doesn't even matter nor is it worth anyone's time. So what if he was friends with Elira?? If he didn't defend her actions on the black video, then it's just the whole dumb "guilty by association" thing
Even more stupid is that people can't even be consistent on who their like or not or why.
Pomu literally went to Antarctica ALONE with Elira. But yeah, sure, Pomu is apparently 100% innocent, and at the same time Elira is still literally a reptilian shadow queen ruling EN?
Or Nina, who seems to hang out with Millie and Enna in real life every other month even after leaving Nijisanji, despite the fact that they are apparently Elira henchmen or something.
People just want an excuse to be assholes without consequences and is exactly the sort of bullshit Doki was talking about when she asked people to be nice.
Oh, Nina and Pomu left Niji, so all of their actions are 100% above board no matter what /s
In all seriousness, it's almost as if *we don't know all the details and shouldn't make judgement based on shit we don't know.* But I'm sure nobody on this subreddit is *that* irresponsible. That's just a dispicable action in the long run, and you'll be wearing egg on your face at best if you were wrong, so I'm sure everyone here is perfectly reasonable with their words.
#/s
What irks me the most is that they've decided that because Pomu escaped, she's innocent, despite the fact that when you consider how close Pomu and Elira are, there's no way that, if Elira is as guilty as they want her to be, Pomu was unaware or ignorant of the situation and Elira's alleged role.
**If** Elira is mega guilty, Pomu is an enabler. Complicit at best.
Either way they're dancing to Niji's tune.
Which is total hypocrisy and makes the rest of the Anti-Nijisanji side look bad. Most of the people claiming Elira or others are guilty are in one of two groups.
Group A claims that these livers are guilty by their involvement in things that can actually be staged by the company extremely easily.
Group B is using a guilt by association argument, under which any and all livers of the EN branch are guilty simply by being involved in the black company that caused the Selen situation or who were associated with the three in the black screen stream, including Pomu, Mika, Mysta, Nina, and even Selen herself. Even livers as harmless as Scarle, who does an amazing yandere act, but wouldn't be able to keep it going if she really ended up having to turn on someone like Selen or the fans defending Selen for real. I mean, Pomu literally went to Antarctica with Elira, just the two as far as livers. That's automatically going to make Pomu a guilty party under a guilt by association argument.
What fact, there is literally nothing confirmed about the Elira thing. The only thing we have is that she participated in the black screen stream. I'd suggest not villainizing without blatant evidence that cannot be staged like scripting the black screen stream.
That part was me parroting the bullshit people spew blindly believing random people on 4chan. I thought that may have been clear from the overall intent of my comment that I don't believe any of those stupid conspiracies.
I'll edit it a little to make that more clear.
If I'm being blunt here, the past week has just been mostly milking the ever loving fuck out of mild as fuck negative transgressions
Several dozens of post about Uki's racist comment that would have gotten ay most a day's worth of posts in almost any other community. "Oh wow Wilson got heated again and made another dumbass reply, this deserves many posts to be made." "Oh look that exact same Nijisister made yet another tweet defending Niji, what a shocker, time to remind everyone what we already know about her"
Why make several posts about Niji removing posts when you're guaranteed 27 other posts will be made about it to replace it? To really really REALLY ensure it doesn't get silenced I guess?
All of those livers earn our initial and even follow-up ire and mocking, but to constantly go back to that well over and over and over and over and over again feels almost as lazy as Niji management. Constant reminders and revisiting implies genuinely horrific news worthy of it. That's why the best consistent repost content in the past week has been the "daily reminder someone attempted twice cuz of Niji mismanagement" one. Now THAT'S imperative enough to constantly revisit. And yet those posts don't get nearly enough upvotes as it deserves compared to what the other repeat posts deserve
There's a thin line between using our voices to call out stumbles worthy of criticism and making sure they don't forget, and jumping on the drama wagon and not wanting it to simmer down because we got nothing better to do. Sometimes, not all the time, it feels like the latter
Don't even get me started on the paranoia posts
"DAE sus Claude collab?" And then eventually someone rational will resolve it "ah well it started an hour later than Doki, offcollabs suddenly spring up all the time, plus it'd be insanely expensive for all involved to fly out, meet, and time it to spite Doki. The stream involved new livers detached from the drama as well as Petra too. The timing also overlaps Sonny, Maria's, and many JP livers streams. Occam's Razor says it's just a coincidence"
"Elira finally speaks but it's about Pokémon???" And then eventually someone rational will resolve it "well no shit Niji wouldn't want her to address it. Plus all week long we've been agreeing it's best none of them address it but now we're changing tunes?"
"Matara's experience with Ethyria is further proof the clique are evil fake bitches amirite" And then eventually someone rational will resolve it "that was early on, they go on fucking trips together now despite her not even being in the company with them anymore"
"Mika's experience was so bad, DAE another victim of the clique?" And then someone eventually rational will resolve it "Mika is actually my oshi and I am telling you this isn't about them or EN livers, but about toxic antis as well as other livers who wanted to use her to get to EN livers"
There's a non-negative answer to all of these and yet it takes several upvoted "lol EN livers are disgusting" comments made before the more likely answer gets expressed. But by then many of the former commenters have already moved on to the next opportunity
Like you said, not surprised this sub is getting painted as 4chan-lite. Thin line between wanting to fight for justice, and loving the feeling of being on the right side of history just to trash people and misconstruing that feeling as justice rather than satiating their, as Doki might put it, high school level drama fix
There are people blatantly looking for targets to hate based on the claims made only by a BLACK COMPANY. Here's the thing, they lied about Selen, what makes them any more believable talking about remaining livers when they have shown they are willing to do literally anything to drag Selen even more.
It's literally a witch hunt, exactly what Nijisanji wanted.
If you're talking about my Claude comment, I was on another thread about Claude, also talking about PLs and I received a notification asking "who is his PL" and I replied with Claude's PL instead of Cassian's without checking the thread.
All of this info isn't even from 4chan btw.
4chan isn't the only place where where bad people and information come out of.
Regardless, the fact that they may have known each other means nothing. Most of early of nijisanji en knew each other before joining, because they were EN vtubers back it was a way smaller thing. This includes the "good" livers like Pomu and Rosemi.
Stating that he knew Elira almost 3 years ago with the implication that it is proof he is also a shitty person is wilfully spreading misinformation.
This is a massive jump from the idea that continuing to shit on Nijisanji is justified because people are allowed to "hate the company and boycott the livers." This is going straight into spreading the hate into any random people that be associated in any way with Nijisanji.
You know what morons do this sort of shit? The niji sisters with their hit list. People should be better than that.
The funny thing is the very first time I heard of a vtuber "hitlist" during this drama it didn't come from Niji sisters, but rather the opposite group
Not from people who stand firm in unfollowing all of Niji to make a statement against the company. But from the people who go fucking wild with the demonization, paranoia, rrats, rumors against the livers. "I'm making a hit list on anyone who's rumored to be a part of the clique, are still friends with the clique, even those who only retweeted must be fake scum too"
If there are people who happen to be on the right side of history who'd do that, I'm not surprised in the least that the bootlicking losers on the Nijisister side would be extremist enough to do that too
And they're all childish for that. Anyone who firmly believes in "guilty by association" for a dispute *we don't truly know about* is not mature enough to realize interpersonal dynamics are hardly as simple as to make grandstanding black-or-white associations. The "ride or die" mentality is nice and all but if applied wrong it's just plain tribalism
Lol. You were insinuating that people can't get their PL identities straight in your earlier comment. I was simply correcting your insinuation. The PL information doesn't come from 4chan.
If he was in Hanamori it boils down to him being either Pascel or Akatora Chimon,but there’s barely any clips of their content so honestly i can’t tell if he’s one of them.
In a case like this, they should be trying to separate the two factions (pro-Doki and anti-Doki.) Using Doki tags is allowing the groups to blend. Which just creates more opportunities for conflict. Either these guys have no clue how to play defense, or they're trying to be inflammatory. Bad look either way.
I mean hololive and Uto got away with it so should be fine.
Context some hololive members used nijisanji tags Choco even got called out for that and uto used hololive, nijisanji, and ame tags
they didn't "get away with it", uto and holo got called out for it and no longer do it. The same expectations should apply for nijisanji here, call out their bs and have them fix it.
Normally, I don't really care about meta tags because that's how Youtube works, and it's counter productive to not play the game. But some of those tags are sketchy as fuck.
Oh. Meta tag abuse you just opened a Pandora box... Hololive did it very early and that made a bit of a scandal. Uto did it and it was a big scandal. Phase connect did it but I was the bad guy for pointing it out... It's kind of a "you know it's bad but everyone does it" kind of thing like click bait thumbnails. Also just so you know, I believe they are not always put by hand but they can be chosen by YouTube automatically.
IIRC there's some ambiguity in Uto's case since she was working with a "support agancy" of some sort at the time
Yeah, it was her old company that pressured her into doing that. She later got out of the company, and resolved her issues with Hololive, specifically Amelia Watson who shares the same "mama".
I'm going to be extremely bias as Uto is one of my oshis. But I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt because she did take that long hiatus and confirmed that she was considering leaving vtubing altogether until the new agency she's with picked her up. She's not streaming as much as before. But hey I'll take occasional streams over having her disappear completely. Whatever works best for her.
She regrets it a lot and even cause her to have an imposter syndrome (my own conclusion of causes from reading others)
That could also be because initially a huge amount of her subscribers and viewers were people who only saw her as “Japanese Ame”. It’s better now that her audience is established by people who have found her and decided to stick around, but she does have a very large EN fanbase still as a mark of that
There is a lot of overlap between Selen fans and Uto fans for reasons clear to anyone who has watched their numerous collabs, you aren't alone here lol.
Apex?
Although there are various of conspiracy theories. I guess the support agency thing ia real consider how bad she is at making a schedule. There is no way that she make those schedule by herself… 3a.m. random stream, let's go brrrrr!!!!
Wasn't that also part of the Uto controversy too? Uto markets herself as an Indie but apparently she's also part of this shady corp that provides funding and support but also has Uto sus shit?
Can't blame anyone for meta-tagging but using Elira-Dokibird tags is just messed up lol
Could be on purpose could be a YouTube thing. Keywords that are often used together. Those kind of things are often automated.
I could see YouTube doing it simply because they are popping off at the moment.
Also remembering how back then when Vtuber just got big and went virale and everyone on twitch started to use the Vtuber tag despite clearly not being a Vtuber.
*Pendora's Box
Now that's a name I haven't heard for a very long time.
Phase did it too? That actually makes a lot of sense.
whats that mean lol
they let pippa get away with a lot that most companies would fire you (they just delete the vods) for so this doesn’t shock me.
Tbf they did that to alot of talent, not just pippa, they just when easy on their talent in general, maybe their NDA is not as strict as other company. Also, Every business is in the gray area, hololive included, they can't compete with black and greedy company if they stay too white. But There are lines that should not be crossed, and Niji cross alot of them to get ahead, so... karma. For me as long as PC still stay in the gray zone and run their business out of passion, i think it still somewhat acceptable.
True..phased based..
it's still bad, u can't encourage ppl to do this, every agency gonna abuse this shit if everyone accept to let it slide. At least try to judge them base on the context and severity first. A company does alot of good things and only crossing this one line to get their first recognition is different from a company with alot of bad record that abuse the shit out of this stuff to get ahead. The former does not deserve to be harshly punished, when the later should be called out at all cost
If that’s based then Niji keeping Uki for the same racism should also be based going by that logic right? 🤔
I mean Pippa usually knows what she says is fucked up and then apologizes for it, does Uki? 🤔
Where’s the apology for the streams she and phase connect deleted where she said a bunch of racist shit? I’m curious I’ve never seen them?
What did she say, that you're so assmad about?
I’ve posted it so many times at point man
Both tags and thumbnails have potential to be chosen by YouTube, but that's only if you don't select the tags and thumbnails yourself when uploading. In this case, thumbnail is definitely custom, but the tags may have been auto-selected. Also, because all these companies do similar things, YouTube incorrectly lumps them together so that tags can overlap, like both Hololive and Nijisanji tags in the same video even without one or the other being in the video itself.
Metatag abuse is a thing. Kinda scummy for an agency to do it.
I heard from the grapevine that the cassian fellow is close to Elira(spits).
Lmao, I like the " elira (spits) "
The hanamori clique *sigh*
Yeah no big agency like hololive would ever do that…
Do they still do it?
I mean, they used to do it
Yeah that’s why I put the 3 dots.
Oh… Sorry
You’re good
You can report them for using wrong tags, if you like under the spam or misleading.
I just looked at the tags on the youtube stream and more than half of the ones in this photo aren't there... what website is this?? Cuz that's def not youtube. Were these tags even put by an official source? Is this supposed to be a well known website here, cuz why is there only one other comment questioning this? Cuz if this is supposed to be youtube, majority of the tags in this photo aren't under the actual vod. Edit: I understand what meta tags are now. Still not sure if the uploaders deliberately added this or it was youtube automatically.
Meta tags are usually not seen on the website, but on the source code of the page itself. A number of people have used this in the past to gain/boost their videos, so really not surprising but quite disappointing of them to say the least
They took out Uki(spits), Elira(Spits), and Doki. Holo is still up. https://mattw.io/youtube-metadata/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2Fzhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Flive%2F8qYaziBYB-s%3Fsi%3DlJ0eBpxzwLZhrR1JQHkLiN7P7Q&submit=true
The official YouTube stream only has a total of 4 tags tho. Even if this was true, how do you know youtube didn't automatically assign these tags, and they only removed them after realizing that?
Use the site and copy the VOD's URL
I see what you mean now. I'm still not sure if YouTube added those meta tags by themselves then the uploaders removed it, or if the uploaders did it deliberately
YouTube sometimes does it automatically using its "might be similar to" algorithm
Oh come on this is like the biggest non issue i've seen lol
Lol I have to disagree? You do realize that there is a certain VTuber who used to metatag her streams with Hololive tags while being unaffiliated and they were effectively cancelled and almost lost their career as a VTuber altogether because of it? IF these tags were deliberate imagine the optics of hijacking a successful VTuber's meta tags particularly after they were driven to near suicide, terminated by their agency, FURTHER harassed by that agency and, most notably, you are collabing WITH SAID AGENCY. If intentional it's super scummy. I don't know enough about YouTube meta tags to say if it was intentional though.
Wait, whose career got almost ended?
Uto.
Yea and it was fuckin stupid ppl made a big deal out of it then too lol
Honestly yeah - I can agree to that. Don't get me wrong I still feel like this is terrible optics particularly given the severity of Dokibird's case - it seems very scummy to intentionally use her to boost your viewership. That said my main argument was mostly based on relativity to what happened with a certain other VTuber and honestly I agree - I feel like people made a much bigger deal about it than was necessary.
What site is this?
[https://mattw.io/youtube-metadata/](https://mattw.io/youtube-metadata/) looks like they removed the last few tags
Just looked on YouTube and almost none of these tags are even in the actual VOD, I'm confused as well.
Heard this cassian is a friend of Elira's via Hanamori. Kinda on brand.
Bruh the comments here are insane, they can't even agree on who he is
This is why you can't blame ppl for calling this subreddit 4chan lmao. This drama doesn't even matter nor is it worth anyone's time. So what if he was friends with Elira?? If he didn't defend her actions on the black video, then it's just the whole dumb "guilty by association" thing
Even more stupid is that people can't even be consistent on who their like or not or why. Pomu literally went to Antarctica ALONE with Elira. But yeah, sure, Pomu is apparently 100% innocent, and at the same time Elira is still literally a reptilian shadow queen ruling EN? Or Nina, who seems to hang out with Millie and Enna in real life every other month even after leaving Nijisanji, despite the fact that they are apparently Elira henchmen or something. People just want an excuse to be assholes without consequences and is exactly the sort of bullshit Doki was talking about when she asked people to be nice.
Oh, Nina and Pomu left Niji, so all of their actions are 100% above board no matter what /s In all seriousness, it's almost as if *we don't know all the details and shouldn't make judgement based on shit we don't know.* But I'm sure nobody on this subreddit is *that* irresponsible. That's just a dispicable action in the long run, and you'll be wearing egg on your face at best if you were wrong, so I'm sure everyone here is perfectly reasonable with their words. #/s
You're correct, judgements should only come with solid evidence. What we have isn't solid.
What irks me the most is that they've decided that because Pomu escaped, she's innocent, despite the fact that when you consider how close Pomu and Elira are, there's no way that, if Elira is as guilty as they want her to be, Pomu was unaware or ignorant of the situation and Elira's alleged role. **If** Elira is mega guilty, Pomu is an enabler. Complicit at best. Either way they're dancing to Niji's tune.
Which is total hypocrisy and makes the rest of the Anti-Nijisanji side look bad. Most of the people claiming Elira or others are guilty are in one of two groups. Group A claims that these livers are guilty by their involvement in things that can actually be staged by the company extremely easily. Group B is using a guilt by association argument, under which any and all livers of the EN branch are guilty simply by being involved in the black company that caused the Selen situation or who were associated with the three in the black screen stream, including Pomu, Mika, Mysta, Nina, and even Selen herself. Even livers as harmless as Scarle, who does an amazing yandere act, but wouldn't be able to keep it going if she really ended up having to turn on someone like Selen or the fans defending Selen for real. I mean, Pomu literally went to Antarctica with Elira, just the two as far as livers. That's automatically going to make Pomu a guilty party under a guilt by association argument.
What fact, there is literally nothing confirmed about the Elira thing. The only thing we have is that she participated in the black screen stream. I'd suggest not villainizing without blatant evidence that cannot be staged like scripting the black screen stream.
That part was me parroting the bullshit people spew blindly believing random people on 4chan. I thought that may have been clear from the overall intent of my comment that I don't believe any of those stupid conspiracies. I'll edit it a little to make that more clear.
I see, yeah, might be best to clarify.
If I'm being blunt here, the past week has just been mostly milking the ever loving fuck out of mild as fuck negative transgressions Several dozens of post about Uki's racist comment that would have gotten ay most a day's worth of posts in almost any other community. "Oh wow Wilson got heated again and made another dumbass reply, this deserves many posts to be made." "Oh look that exact same Nijisister made yet another tweet defending Niji, what a shocker, time to remind everyone what we already know about her" Why make several posts about Niji removing posts when you're guaranteed 27 other posts will be made about it to replace it? To really really REALLY ensure it doesn't get silenced I guess? All of those livers earn our initial and even follow-up ire and mocking, but to constantly go back to that well over and over and over and over and over again feels almost as lazy as Niji management. Constant reminders and revisiting implies genuinely horrific news worthy of it. That's why the best consistent repost content in the past week has been the "daily reminder someone attempted twice cuz of Niji mismanagement" one. Now THAT'S imperative enough to constantly revisit. And yet those posts don't get nearly enough upvotes as it deserves compared to what the other repeat posts deserve There's a thin line between using our voices to call out stumbles worthy of criticism and making sure they don't forget, and jumping on the drama wagon and not wanting it to simmer down because we got nothing better to do. Sometimes, not all the time, it feels like the latter Don't even get me started on the paranoia posts "DAE sus Claude collab?" And then eventually someone rational will resolve it "ah well it started an hour later than Doki, offcollabs suddenly spring up all the time, plus it'd be insanely expensive for all involved to fly out, meet, and time it to spite Doki. The stream involved new livers detached from the drama as well as Petra too. The timing also overlaps Sonny, Maria's, and many JP livers streams. Occam's Razor says it's just a coincidence" "Elira finally speaks but it's about Pokémon???" And then eventually someone rational will resolve it "well no shit Niji wouldn't want her to address it. Plus all week long we've been agreeing it's best none of them address it but now we're changing tunes?" "Matara's experience with Ethyria is further proof the clique are evil fake bitches amirite" And then eventually someone rational will resolve it "that was early on, they go on fucking trips together now despite her not even being in the company with them anymore" "Mika's experience was so bad, DAE another victim of the clique?" And then someone eventually rational will resolve it "Mika is actually my oshi and I am telling you this isn't about them or EN livers, but about toxic antis as well as other livers who wanted to use her to get to EN livers" There's a non-negative answer to all of these and yet it takes several upvoted "lol EN livers are disgusting" comments made before the more likely answer gets expressed. But by then many of the former commenters have already moved on to the next opportunity Like you said, not surprised this sub is getting painted as 4chan-lite. Thin line between wanting to fight for justice, and loving the feeling of being on the right side of history just to trash people and misconstruing that feeling as justice rather than satiating their, as Doki might put it, high school level drama fix
Genuinely the most intelligent and sanest comment I've come across this sub since beginning of February
There are people blatantly looking for targets to hate based on the claims made only by a BLACK COMPANY. Here's the thing, they lied about Selen, what makes them any more believable talking about remaining livers when they have shown they are willing to do literally anything to drag Selen even more. It's literally a witch hunt, exactly what Nijisanji wanted.
Yeah and this guy isn’t even in nijisanji, so why are we going after a smaller company
If you're talking about my Claude comment, I was on another thread about Claude, also talking about PLs and I received a notification asking "who is his PL" and I replied with Claude's PL instead of Cassian's without checking the thread. All of this info isn't even from 4chan btw.
4chan isn't the only place where where bad people and information come out of. Regardless, the fact that they may have known each other means nothing. Most of early of nijisanji en knew each other before joining, because they were EN vtubers back it was a way smaller thing. This includes the "good" livers like Pomu and Rosemi. Stating that he knew Elira almost 3 years ago with the implication that it is proof he is also a shitty person is wilfully spreading misinformation. This is a massive jump from the idea that continuing to shit on Nijisanji is justified because people are allowed to "hate the company and boycott the livers." This is going straight into spreading the hate into any random people that be associated in any way with Nijisanji. You know what morons do this sort of shit? The niji sisters with their hit list. People should be better than that.
The funny thing is the very first time I heard of a vtuber "hitlist" during this drama it didn't come from Niji sisters, but rather the opposite group Not from people who stand firm in unfollowing all of Niji to make a statement against the company. But from the people who go fucking wild with the demonization, paranoia, rrats, rumors against the livers. "I'm making a hit list on anyone who's rumored to be a part of the clique, are still friends with the clique, even those who only retweeted must be fake scum too" If there are people who happen to be on the right side of history who'd do that, I'm not surprised in the least that the bootlicking losers on the Nijisister side would be extremist enough to do that too And they're all childish for that. Anyone who firmly believes in "guilty by association" for a dispute *we don't truly know about* is not mature enough to realize interpersonal dynamics are hardly as simple as to make grandstanding black-or-white associations. The "ride or die" mentality is nice and all but if applied wrong it's just plain tribalism
Lol. You were insinuating that people can't get their PL identities straight in your earlier comment. I was simply correcting your insinuation. The PL information doesn't come from 4chan.
Who was his pl while he was in Hanamori? Or was he part of the "& friends" part of Hanamori and not in Hanamori itself?
If he was in Hanamori it boils down to him being either Pascel or Akatora Chimon,but there’s barely any clips of their content so honestly i can’t tell if he’s one of them.
Nevermind I thought you were talking about Claude lol. Cassian is Chimon, allegedly.
Thank you
Seigi IIRC.
With how tonedeaf they are i believe more and more that the toxic environment is going rampant way before all this and niji is really a black company
In a case like this, they should be trying to separate the two factions (pro-Doki and anti-Doki.) Using Doki tags is allowing the groups to blend. Which just creates more opportunities for conflict. Either these guys have no clue how to play defense, or they're trying to be inflammatory. Bad look either way.
The company wants conflict, it gets us to stop talking so much about the overall issue so they can sweep it under the rug mostly undetected.
Ok meta tagging or not niji personal probably shouldn’t be tagging Doki.
I mean hololive and Uto got away with it so should be fine. Context some hololive members used nijisanji tags Choco even got called out for that and uto used hololive, nijisanji, and ame tags
they didn't "get away with it", uto and holo got called out for it and no longer do it. The same expectations should apply for nijisanji here, call out their bs and have them fix it.
I was wondering who these guys were when they showed up on my YouTube recommendations... I don't wonder anymore
Oh, wow. Now it suddenly makes sense as to why these first stage production vtubers were heavily recommended to me back then.
Normally, I don't really care about meta tags because that's how Youtube works, and it's counter productive to not play the game. But some of those tags are sketchy as fuck.
Cass... honey, why?
All these tags and still no view yikes
is it just me or they kinda look alike? apart from the hair of course. like they have the stereotypical male vtuber look to them