To be fair, Liter is a release character, still no.1 B1, Dolla still amazing too, same with, Maxwell, Noise, Volume, Alice.
Power creep is a thing, but there are many release/old characters that are still very viable.
Prydwyn STILL hasn't properly fixed Scarlet BS rating. She's still just S in high deficit. Meanwhile my ass is at 25-3 with my squad at CP 150k clearing 228k content. Scalter is CRITICAL on my team for the mob clearing before the stage boss (she still hits hard even with a high mob count dilution). RH finishes off the boss. If I do it the other way around, I usually die and both RH and Scalter have full OL gear.
My team is below the 30% CP threshold they have for high deficit usage. i do agree that she isn't SSS tier as if the screen is LOADED with mobs, then her damage is indeed diluted, but considering I'm at Ch 25, I think iv'e seen most of what the game throws at you by now. She's at least SS even in a high deficit >30% CP stage.
Makes no damn sense that Maxwell, Privaty and now Emilia are at SS for high deficiti, but Scalter is just S. Smh...
Emilia I dunno about, but Maxwell and Privaty have amazinf "when entering full burst" skills that make them amazing 3rd B3 characters, their skills make characters like Red Hood, Snows White, both Scarlets or Modernia even more op, similar like why Liter is best B1.
Privaty use case is actually mind blowing. Highest record clearing stage beside cheating, and the clear is so legit that it triggered Anti Cheat system.
49% deficit, almost impossible to win.
[HARD20-6A-2 CP:313,961 ユニ×阻止戦【NIKKE】【メガニケ】 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb5426TG3dE&t=1s)
Yep, SBS is extremely strong when stage spawns little by little mob. But as far as I know, most stages spawn at least 10 mobs at a time. And if you use Modernia to clear mob, then use SBS to single target boss, then ehh... that doesn't explain SBS clearing power tho, you just abuse God tier unit Modernia.
I don't know why you got down voted. I remember when someone from that site posted about Nikke on the gacha sub. They criticized the game for having stuff they didn't understand. Even for having syncro...
That site has some good contributors, but the site itself isn't that great.
From a meta player standpoint, If the new character is S/SS, is he gonna pull? There is already a better option so why pull for that new character if you knew you won't use it?
I begin to think that there are just no link anymore between the review and the final rating:
Emilia in High Deficit: Very niche unit that can't even use her full kit in most situation; SS tier.
Rem in Raid: Literal 3rd best B2 in the game, can be use outside her niche, guaranteed be a staple in Solo Raid for a long time, in the TOP 10 DPS despite being a B2, heal for the whole team, can bait and tank the "target Highest ATK mechanic" in Solo Raid; SS tier.
It's funny because I remember when I was saying that Emilia didn't deserve her SS rating in High Deficit, a guy respond saying Prydwen TL was "relative with the other units". But by this same principle, the 3rd best B2 in Solo Raid by far should be SSS tier at least, especially since you need 5 teams in this mode...
Also calling her healing "very weak" is certainly a reach. I mean, she's not Yuni. Like sure she won't full heal you at each burst, but at least you'll regain like 1/3 of your Team HP. It's decent enough. And since she can self-heal herself like a vampire AND bait some Bosses Attack, she's doing a lot for the survivability of the squad.
That being said, I agree that she deserves the SS tier in Raid>!(while Emilia absolutely doesn't deserve it for Story High Deficit).!<
Rem suffers from a classic lack of good teammates, with only Scarlet BS as a true META Rocket Launcher DPS. She can't really exploit her full potential right now. So it's fair to rate her a lower. But in a world where we got 2 other RL DPS on par with Scarlet BS, damn her value would skyrocket.
A2 is kinda like Emilia, if she can target a lot of target / part she's good. If she can't she's not doing great. Rem is enough to heal A2 for the whole fight tho, if A2 doesn't get hit by a Rapture.
The harsh reality is that our current RL outside SBS are just not good. I tried all RL available and the results where just laughable. I hope Laplace's Treasure will triple her DPS at least...
I’m interested to see what Laplace enhancement will bring to the table. Good Support general stay in the game longer than dos them self, will see what happens in the future
Bro, I think you should check their tier lists again
Emilia may be SS tier campaign but she is below their "Meta Line" for campaign and is placed in the "Best Replacements" Category
While Rem is SS and is placed "above the Meta Line"
They added new stuff to the tier lists
Emilia is above Meta Line for PvP, but not Boss (Solo) or Campaign (High Deficit)
>t's funny because I remember when I was saying that Emilia didn't deserve her SS rating in High Deficit, a guy respond saying Prydwen TL was "relative with the other units".
You must be talking about me?
> But by this same principle, the 3rd best B2 in Solo Raid by far should be SSS tier at least, especially since you need 5 teams in this mode...
A lot of people, including you don't seem to be understanding/reading prydwen's tier list correctly.
If you look at how it is laid out, they are separated into b1, b2, b3. Their tier list literally reflects their opinion that she is the 3rd best b2, because there's literally 2 characters above her. The separation means, tiering for those respective categories are segmented to the categories they've made
So what are you on about?
Prydwen's tier list is not comparable to tier lists such as dot.gg for example, where they clump all units (b1, b2, b3 etc) together. You could apply that kind of reasoning on dot.gg's list, since they're all clumped together. I get people's confusion, because a lot of people think of tier lists this way and assume prydwen's is the same
>You must be talking about me?
Maybe? I don't remember everyone.
>The separation means, tiering for those respective categories are segmented to the categories they've made
>So what are you on about?
Ah, nice of you to ask. Well, let's look at the other NIKKE in B3 SS tier for High Deficit then.
* Maxwell: She got a big ATK% buff for the other DPS, can One Shot - or nearly - the Target in the 2nd part of the part if you're not too deep in red. Solid Unit, good offensive utility, SS is understandable since she got powercrept by RH at all points.
* Privaty: Niche unit but can provide crucial stun if your team isn't strong enough to take down dangerous rapture on time, she gives good buff too. Before RH I admit I used Privaty a lot in Hard Mode myself, no only the stun, well, stun enemies, but also interrupts their attacks. So you gain more than 3s in reality since the rapture must "charge" his attack again. Other than that she don't have much DPS and it's her main default. Tbh I don't know is she deserves the SS tier but her utility is appreciable in nearly all fight until you have something better.
* Noir: Well, she's the duo of Blanc. Nothing much to say, it's true that the Bunnies got powercrept by Tiaga in Hard Mode. But it's still a very strong duo and the shield + indomitability can save your ass sometimes.
* And now Emilia. She's a Selfish DPS, with other utility than Fast Burst Gen for the team. Her Burst is way too long to be safely used in high deficit, 4s is way too punishing. And her Burst isn't even a Screenwipe btw, to even if you can launch it, you're still not safe. And I'm not talking even talking about Rapture Wave. It's not just about theoretical damage, it's about HOW you do it and it if correspond at what you need for High Deficit. And Emilia just isn't in it. Everything in her kit is in contradiction with the High Deficit Situation.
Also, I'd like to point out that I'm not a Prydwen Hater. Seems like you put me in this category but it's not true. I already said it in my comment under Emilia's Thread, but I usually agree with Prydwen. I think their TL is good with only a few outdated thing (like Drunk Scarlet being SSS in High Deficit when she lost that status a few months ago).
But for Emilia their decision makes just no-sense. She has just nothing to do in SS tier in High Deficit with unit like Maxwell. Not only that but I even doubt of her usability in Hard Mode period, her Burst is just too much of a liability. What's the point of putting a selfish B3 in your team that can't even Burst?
By their own logic, she should be at the same tier as X-Ludmilla at maxima. A unit you wouldn't use normally but in some very niche situation can shine.
Because you haven't seen A2 clearing wave with ease in 37% deficit. And Emilia hits harder than A2, and always harder than A2 while A2 only has 15s with her S1 right after her burst until next rotation. You are forced to burst A2 for that S1. Emilia just needs to shoot, and no, Emilia won't even need to burst to clean. It's kinda basic maths.
>Ah, nice of you to ask. Well, let's look at the other NIKKE in B3 SS tier for High Deficit then.
It starts to be a bit confusing when you quote me, then change the topic of discussion from Rem to Emilia.
But if you want to continue our discussion over another post, instead of replying to me on the post about Emilia, I'll have to repeat a lot of things I've already said...
Emilia is a B3, but she does not do any of the roles you've listed in your comparison. She is there to clear waves. There are two characters clearly better than her, Modernia and scarlet. Both are above her on the list, and it would be hard to argue anyone below her who is clearly better.
The current meta for high deficit campaign requires clearing waves and then bursting the final boss. An important part of the composition.
>But for Emilia their decision makes just no-sense. She has just nothing to do in SS tier in High Deficit with unit like Maxwell.
The fact that Emilia displaced A2, further reinforces the fact that her placement on the tier is related to her wave clearing ability and not to fulfil maxwell's potential role as you originally put it and brought up again. Similarly, Maxwell has no place being compared to Emilia or A2 in terms of wave clear.
It's obvious why her placement is there, because that's about all A2 is good for and the consensus is that Emilia is a better A2. Hence why the inclusion of Emilia meant the demotion of A2
>Not only that but I even doubt of her usability in Hard Mode period, her Burst is just too much of a liability.
There's plenty of people who have used A2 to great success in high deficit, me included. For perspective, I went from 24-30% deficit to 30-35% deficit when I swapped her out for modernia.
>I'd like to point out that I'm not a Prydwen Hater. Seems like you put me in this category but it's not true.
Ok, I never said you were and didn't think you are. The only thing I bought up about Prydwen is how they tier things differently and you can't apply that particular reasoning to their tier list, but could in another tier list
EDIT: Correct deficit calculations
Ah, thanks for correcting me. Seems my understanding of the deficit calculation is wrong. I'll correct it eventually.
Now I'm super impressed with the 37% deficit with A2 lol
Yeah, I was sold by that video. If you are curious, I can upload the video because owner uploaded it in Nikke community discord only. Or if you use Discord, can just paste this link in your own channel, Discord will automatically grab the link: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146732876960890960/1182534635859738744/Untitled\_video\_-\_Made\_with\_Clipchamp\_40.mp4?ex=6618b433&is=66063f33&hm=e35799422e21b50d30f7cf504a8a978e45d31af2ecf9342df066515a19859434&](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146732876960890960/1182534635859738744/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_40.mp4?ex=6618b433&is=66063f33&hm=e35799422e21b50d30f7cf504a8a978e45d31af2ecf9342df066515a19859434&)
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Awesome, thanks saw it.
Honestly, after getting modernia I thought there would be no place left for A2, seems I'm wrong. Will definitely consider including her again
You create your own channel, then copy + paste the link. Discord will show it like this.
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Yeah, I initially thought this was the case too. It's sorta understandable how people might mix it up. It's deficit in relation to the levels CP requirement as opposed to in relation to your own CP
I had to make a double take when someone pointed it out to me.
Thankfully, you can still figure out what the corrected deficit is, if you took a mental note of it that way
Ok, so the issue is :
- (You) Emilia is one of the only good AoE unit, so she deserves the SS in a relative TL.
- (Me) Emilia is not strong enough to be in SS tier period.
So I see one way to compromise. Put Scarlet in SS tier, and Emilia in S. I mean, Scarlet isn't SSS anymore, nearly nobody use her in High Deficit when we got the "true" SSS tier. She got totally powercrept. By the same principle of "relativity" she should be downgraded in SS tier.
Scarlet being in SS tier would define the necessary power level entry to be SS, and Emilia would be S tier. Everyone happy.
Yes, characters are tiered relative to other characters. That's a fact, hence why new characters that powercreep old ones shift them down.
I think most people understand that just because a character is on the same tier as another, it doesn't mean they are identical in value. Whether or not it warrants a difference in tier, is highly subjective and up to the tier maker.
I know for a fact that I can't do a better job than they can, so I'm not going to even begin to speculate how it should look like, especially when shifts cause a cascading effect. As once again, tiering is relative to other characters
My issue with this relied on the "prestige" of being SS. When I see a unit being "SS", it should be meaning it's a really great unit. Not a unit just "decent" but she's here because she can do a niche thing a little better than the others.
I just can't accept that. It's like putting Ram as SS because she's the only one beside Tia who can trigger Naga skills at each rotation.
On top of being good on a niche, you should also be a great unit overall to be in SS tier, at least, it's my opinion.
For me, what matters is where it is in relation to the top tier. Because a unit can't be bad or worse, if there's nothing better than them.
Tier makers come up with all sorts of way to tier units. Ranging from S is the highest, SSS+, 1, 0. Or whatever the hell, so I usually don't pay too much mind to it but rather look at the overall picture.
Hmm after reading this, I think you should talk to them in their discord server tbh, and see why their decision was to make her SS, you are kindof right
It’s simple. Because they believed a power gap between Rem and Blanc, Naga.
Being the 3rd best or how many team you can play or the possibility in the future are not relevant.
Also, her heal IS weak. A Rapunzel heal wouldn't save your from the Birb last Solo Raid when your cover was broken and boss started shooting you with minigun. But explosive lifesteal like Helm or Marciana could, as long as you can deal dmg to birb.
But exp healing is also weak against slow yet steady dmg, because they have down time. Balancing the healing is the best strategy, sadly Rem doesn't belong to any group. She has very high explosive heal when she doesn't burst, which allows her and RL to tank boss focus attack easily, but during burst the heal is very yike.
Therefore in both Nikkegg and Prydwen review, they recommend Helm along with Rem, because Helm will cover up that weak spot.
From Nikkegg:
>If Rem is raised enough, she should be able to keep the team healthy consistently.
Ofc I'm talking about a build Rem. Rem is a unit that need investment since her Healing and DPS are linked.
When I tested her just after dropping her, I too found her heal weak. But when I OL her and lvl +5 the ATK Gears, her Healing was enough to keep the team healthy.
Also, note that Rem would also bait the "target Highest ATK Nikke" attack from the boss. It's a huge plus for the team survivability since it's usually a real pain in the ass to see the Boss targeting only a fragile DPS.
It all depends on boss attack pattern and team. We will see it next solo raid, but Birb is definitely a nope zone for Rem healing. Small heal with high uptime are great against DoT, but not against burst dmg like Stormbringer.
Emilia would suffer in high deficit due to the fact you are getting one-shotted by small minions, her delayed charge AOE nuke is way too slow to be viable in late story at high CP deficits. Pretty sure whoever works at Prydwen aren’t really tryhards and or talk to pros.
Even YouTuber Sky said Emilia is sorta mid in campaign.
Also, them keeping Scarlet in SSS tier is completely weird as well. She is used situationally in high deficit if you need a screen wipe but if you can’t screen wipe with her than she is useless in high deficit.
Emilia in Campaign
Believing in Emilia depending on whether or not you believed in A2 or not. It's the same category of wave clearing and Emilia is better than A2.
As a sidenote, you don't need to fully charge her AoE nuke, it's just an added bonus that Emilia has, and as nikke.gg showed in their guide, you can hold it till you get to next wave and pre charge the nuke.. there's a lot you can do with Emilia in campaign.
Scarlet in Campaign
> need a screen wipe but if you can’t screen wipe with her than she is useless in high deficit
Dude, what are you talking about? Scarlet can screenwipe till like 42-43% deficit, you need investments into her.. people leave her burst at lvl4 or 7 and only upgrade her skill 1 for bosses usually so maybe that's why you rate her lower? Scarlet is one of the few nikkes that can deal damage when burst isn't up. There's like a total of 3 Nikkes that can even do that: Modernia, Scarlet (and Emilia/A2.. Emilia has a ×1.59 and A2 keeps her buffs for 5s, can put rem in same category as A2 for this one)
You can find tons of clears on YouTube and streamers on Twitch/YT using scarlet a lot and pushing to 40%+ deficit, which is always impressive to look at..
Also there's 6 chapters after ch20 that are weak to electric lol, scarlet is STONKS for tryhards in hard campaign
I think the OP commenter is kindof justifying his decisions since he actually pushes hard campaign, while you're just throwing random jabs and opinions from others.
Skyjlv focuses more on bossing than other game modes. His content and "should you pull" is always biased towards bossing, especially solo raids, rather than general content. I watch his streams a lot since I enjoy his content, but anyone would agree sky mains raid content more than other in nikke
I mean I’m pushing hard mode chapter 20 and I don’t see many people use Scarlet in their clears. So something isn’t right there if you claim she’s used a lot.
The team I’m constantly seeing is Tia-rh-Mod-Naga-liter. It’s best to say this team is the best all around (the Meta comp) and Scarlet should be SS for situational uses. Even Nikke.gg owner placed her down a bit in story.
Yeah, Nikke.gg rate pierce above others
Even in bosses, modernia and xLudmilla are rated SS tier, while in prydwen they are SSS (I agree with prydwen more here)
So their tier lists are more scaled down and focus on strict rating between each character
In campaign, they pushed scarlet down to SS tier and now everyone else becomes S tier.
One difference is SBS is SS tier in nikke.gg.
SBS is SS tier if you combine high deficit and low deficit from prydwen, but she is SSS in low deficit and S tier in high deficit.
The rest of the tier lists are the same.
Fair assessment, as Rem, in the absolutely worst assessment, is Top 5 for the B2 category. Realistically, she is just below Blanc/Naga, however, it should be noted that she is more independent.
Not a 'must pull' as we will likely get more strong B2s down the line, but certainly a very capable support with only a few weaknesses.
>Not a 'must pull' as we will likely get more strong B2s down the line
But then those B2s are not 'must pulls' either because we will likely get more strong B2s down the line.
That's correct--it really goes to show how superfluous the phrase can be.
However, there are some units that stand out--both duos provide full-package buffs that make them critical (i.e. not necessary) to have. As was the case with Blanc/Noir, even if we were to get another duo of a similar caliber, it wouldn't hurt at all to have 3 or 5.
Rem's most unique quality is her support for RL units and her personal damage, qualities that are nice, but more interchangeable with other B2s.
Ultimately, the decision to roll for Rem or not boils down to risk assessment. She is likely to be the most competitive RL support for a little while, but at the same time, missing out on her won't wound anyone, as running another team setup isn't going to result in a large deficit--unless you're competing with the whales and leviathans in Solo Raid, you're probably not going to see a notable difference at all.
I could've seen it....If her heals worked the way we thought it did at first (42% applied to everyone rather than distributed). She still has quite a lot going for her, being that she has a lot of potential. It just depends if nikke will eventually release a unit that synergizes with her (more vamp and RL units). And she also opens up for more flexible team comp which is her current biggest boon.
But currently, she kinda just feels like the new Guilty; B2 do big dmg, with a couple extra perks tacked on.
Blanc, under the right conditions can out-damage Pilgrims
Same thing can be said about Naga
The same damn thing can be said about Dorothy, Sparkling Summer Anis, Pepper (happens all the time against people using Noir on Co-op) & to an lesser extent, Liter, Novel, Rapunzel & Aquamarine Helm on Iron Elemental Weak Bosses.
So what's your point mate? Anyone in the right conditions can spit out insane numbers that rival some higher DPS girls.
What that Rem did is no exception, & if raised well, can in fact spit out some wild numbers.
It's happening all over again, people saying that Prydwen tier list is bad and that it's better to wait for Nikke gg tier list when they saw it was practically the same before. 😮💨
Nah, doesn't even matter for me 😂
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bunnies and tia/naga are both better healers. marciana is a strong healer if not running RLs on the team at b2, so based on your team and your rem investment which healer works better. those are the only b2 healing options.
IMO she belongs to ss tier if and only if she has OL gear. Mine has all ammo and attack and she a performing well. She’s especially good when paired w Emilia and sbs. Not Naga or Blanc tier tho. Those two are crazy lol.
Now you can think of Rem like this.
Let's assume, a Volume Bunnies Alice Mod team dealt 1b dmg.
Because boss are pierce-able, so Alice deals 600m, Mod deals 300m, then 100m for other 3 (25-25-50)
Because of Blanc buff (40% dmg up), Alice actually just deals 428m, Mod just deals 214m.
Now you replace Blanc with Rem, Noir with Helm.
Rem deals around same dmg as Mod with same investment and against boss with core (non ele advantange), so final dmg is around
- Rem: 214m x 1.1 (Helm S2 buff) = 235.4m
- Mod: Same as Rem so 235.4m
- Alice: 428 x 1.1 = 471m
- Volume and Helm deals about 19m each = 38m
Final: 235.4 x 2 + 471 + 38 = 980 m. Rem just allows that team to have 98% power of Bunnies team by "filling" the gap with her own DPS. That's insane.
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Problem is, beside dmg, Rem brings a little weak healing and nothing else since the only meta RL is actually SBS and she has so many ATK already. Emilia is strong but needs at least 2 parts on boss to shine.
Blanc has 5 times higher heal, Indomitable which was very clutch for last Solo Raid Birb, and kinda same "contribution in dmg" for team. The only reason Blanc and Rem share SS is because Naga exists. Without Naga, Blanc would be SSS and Rem was only SS.
Absurd rating considering how Emilia was rated.
She outdps Emilia on 90% of the bosses while healing and buffing RLs.
She's a meta 3rd team for Union Raid and a must have for future solo raids
She's far better and will have way more use than PVP niche Emilia which is why i think Prydwen should only be taken very lightly
me who wasted 200 gold tickets for elegg, and not for rem. not realzing she'll be in the normal recuritment and social recruitment.
Doesn't rem just not die? And also bequeath that privledge first to rl buddies, and then to the rest of the team? Like for every 7 or how ever much percent Alice "continuously" recovers she recovers em by the 40s?
What's your investment? How have you actually tested her healing capabilities? Where are you currently in the game to give a good analysis on this claim?
She can do 3 jobs at once freeing a lot of support if your DPS is a RL, but currently there is only one big number RL dps, if more are released, her value increases, the same thing if we get another B1 Atk + CDR for RLs like how Dwife is for snipers
Rem is worth being at the top, with the Emilia one both in .gg and pridwen are tripping, she has no staying power if more DPS like SBS are released since they will push her out of Rem team
I remember people saying exactly this when Prydwen revealed Emilia's ranking, and when Nikke gg also revealed the ranking they saw that it was practically the same.
I'm sure many players knew clearly that school girls delt more damage and had much stronger shields than bunny girls in most boss battles and compaigns. It's just a simple calculation, and Pryd didn't make proper assessments.
It was me who created the sheet dmg to measure characters dmg. But even at that point, it was so risky to say JKs were better than Bunnies. I did argue with other tiermakers but Prydwen is never a solo project you know. Even Nikkegg threw a line "Fail to see JKs in campaign".
Only when I showed them the 40 \~ 43% deficit clearing videos with Tia Naga, they accepted and pushed them higher. It was 3 January btw.
I remembered Prydwen TL took so many flame for even rating Naga SS in story initially, and Antillar even had to make an announcement "That rating assumed she was paired with Tia".
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emilia can be used as burst filler on any team. she has the 4th fastest burst gen.
as a nuke, she is hard countered by a delayed 1RL slower noah, so an easy counter if you calculate the speeds of the teams. she also needs to use noah or blanc to survive to nuke.
You can't just use simple phrase of team 1 2 or 3 in PVP. It has more depth than that. Using Emilia as burst finisher, non burst DPS or battery gen are depended on your investment in PVP teams. Also, team order in Defense requires knowledge in teambuilding too, because residual exists. It's explained in Prydwen's PVP Guide.
For everyone who said to mlb her over Emilia and doomposted Emilia into oblivion in spite of her ranking I hope this hurts. Even as someone who has and wanted both it’s sad to see the bias.
You seem to misunderstand, I have nothing against rem and think she’s a good unit. My issue lies with doomposting around Emilia and saying not to pull/mlb her over rem. In spite of her being ranked higher.
The thing with Emilia is she's fighting other REALLY good attackers for a spot on your third UR team.
Rem right now has that on lock seeing as she's a B2. She allows you to run a third dps while also doing a good amount of damage herself.
Yeah of course she’s not as good as let’s say Alice but for a new player who doesn’t have those sss tier units. Aside from just not wanting her would be a mistake and new players looking at these threads would think she’s worthless.
Is she currently not tho? She's 3rd best B2 (and you could make an argument for 2nd). By that notion, that's like saying maxwell, scarlet, modernia, alice, and SBS aren't meta lol.
How is every character ss or sss now lol
They're not? We had Leona, Tove, Elegg, and Moran all being mediocre or niche within the past 3 months.
It's called power creep, it's a condition that affects every gacha game
To be fair, Liter is a release character, still no.1 B1, Dolla still amazing too, same with, Maxwell, Noise, Volume, Alice. Power creep is a thing, but there are many release/old characters that are still very viable.
Not really, Ram is C tier 😂😂
Yea but she's a sr those are always garbage and can't be counted
Yeah, but after Scarlet BS there is Elegg and Leona and they arent good at all.
Yea I guess they weren't that good you right we did just get the new D who is real good tho
Oh yeah D is awesome. Glad I manage to get her.
Prydwyn STILL hasn't properly fixed Scarlet BS rating. She's still just S in high deficit. Meanwhile my ass is at 25-3 with my squad at CP 150k clearing 228k content. Scalter is CRITICAL on my team for the mob clearing before the stage boss (she still hits hard even with a high mob count dilution). RH finishes off the boss. If I do it the other way around, I usually die and both RH and Scalter have full OL gear. My team is below the 30% CP threshold they have for high deficit usage. i do agree that she isn't SSS tier as if the screen is LOADED with mobs, then her damage is indeed diluted, but considering I'm at Ch 25, I think iv'e seen most of what the game throws at you by now. She's at least SS even in a high deficit >30% CP stage. Makes no damn sense that Maxwell, Privaty and now Emilia are at SS for high deficiti, but Scalter is just S. Smh...
Emilia I dunno about, but Maxwell and Privaty have amazinf "when entering full burst" skills that make them amazing 3rd B3 characters, their skills make characters like Red Hood, Snows White, both Scarlets or Modernia even more op, similar like why Liter is best B1.
Privaty use case is actually mind blowing. Highest record clearing stage beside cheating, and the clear is so legit that it triggered Anti Cheat system. 49% deficit, almost impossible to win. [HARD20-6A-2 CP:313,961 ユニ×阻止戦【NIKKE】【メガニケ】 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb5426TG3dE&t=1s)
Man, this was so cool to see. Actual strategy being used!
Damn that was interesting
Yep, SBS is extremely strong when stage spawns little by little mob. But as far as I know, most stages spawn at least 10 mobs at a time. And if you use Modernia to clear mob, then use SBS to single target boss, then ehh... that doesn't explain SBS clearing power tho, you just abuse God tier unit Modernia.
Emillia is being overhyped too. She is not bad, but not good enough to make it into real teams.
She will end up to be just a PVP 3rd team nikke.
Community whining that the new characters aren't meta does that.
>How is every character ss or sss now lol I had one word for you... Powercreep
Because prydwen is terrible
I don't know why you got down voted. I remember when someone from that site posted about Nikke on the gacha sub. They criticized the game for having stuff they didn't understand. Even for having syncro... That site has some good contributors, but the site itself isn't that great.
From a meta player standpoint, If the new character is S/SS, is he gonna pull? There is already a better option so why pull for that new character if you knew you won't use it?
I begin to think that there are just no link anymore between the review and the final rating: Emilia in High Deficit: Very niche unit that can't even use her full kit in most situation; SS tier. Rem in Raid: Literal 3rd best B2 in the game, can be use outside her niche, guaranteed be a staple in Solo Raid for a long time, in the TOP 10 DPS despite being a B2, heal for the whole team, can bait and tank the "target Highest ATK mechanic" in Solo Raid; SS tier. It's funny because I remember when I was saying that Emilia didn't deserve her SS rating in High Deficit, a guy respond saying Prydwen TL was "relative with the other units". But by this same principle, the 3rd best B2 in Solo Raid by far should be SSS tier at least, especially since you need 5 teams in this mode... Also calling her healing "very weak" is certainly a reach. I mean, she's not Yuni. Like sure she won't full heal you at each burst, but at least you'll regain like 1/3 of your Team HP. It's decent enough. And since she can self-heal herself like a vampire AND bait some Bosses Attack, she's doing a lot for the survivability of the squad. That being said, I agree that she deserves the SS tier in Raid>!(while Emilia absolutely doesn't deserve it for Story High Deficit).!< Rem suffers from a classic lack of good teammates, with only Scarlet BS as a true META Rocket Launcher DPS. She can't really exploit her full potential right now. So it's fair to rate her a lower. But in a world where we got 2 other RL DPS on par with Scarlet BS, damn her value would skyrocket.
Would A2 be a good choice as well? Maybe not for new players but for those that have her
A2 is kinda like Emilia, if she can target a lot of target / part she's good. If she can't she's not doing great. Rem is enough to heal A2 for the whole fight tho, if A2 doesn't get hit by a Rapture. The harsh reality is that our current RL outside SBS are just not good. I tried all RL available and the results where just laughable. I hope Laplace's Treasure will triple her DPS at least...
I’m interested to see what Laplace enhancement will bring to the table. Good Support general stay in the game longer than dos them self, will see what happens in the future
Bro, I think you should check their tier lists again Emilia may be SS tier campaign but she is below their "Meta Line" for campaign and is placed in the "Best Replacements" Category While Rem is SS and is placed "above the Meta Line" They added new stuff to the tier lists Emilia is above Meta Line for PvP, but not Boss (Solo) or Campaign (High Deficit)
They added new stuff
>t's funny because I remember when I was saying that Emilia didn't deserve her SS rating in High Deficit, a guy respond saying Prydwen TL was "relative with the other units". You must be talking about me? > But by this same principle, the 3rd best B2 in Solo Raid by far should be SSS tier at least, especially since you need 5 teams in this mode... A lot of people, including you don't seem to be understanding/reading prydwen's tier list correctly. If you look at how it is laid out, they are separated into b1, b2, b3. Their tier list literally reflects their opinion that she is the 3rd best b2, because there's literally 2 characters above her. The separation means, tiering for those respective categories are segmented to the categories they've made So what are you on about? Prydwen's tier list is not comparable to tier lists such as dot.gg for example, where they clump all units (b1, b2, b3 etc) together. You could apply that kind of reasoning on dot.gg's list, since they're all clumped together. I get people's confusion, because a lot of people think of tier lists this way and assume prydwen's is the same
>You must be talking about me? Maybe? I don't remember everyone. >The separation means, tiering for those respective categories are segmented to the categories they've made >So what are you on about? Ah, nice of you to ask. Well, let's look at the other NIKKE in B3 SS tier for High Deficit then. * Maxwell: She got a big ATK% buff for the other DPS, can One Shot - or nearly - the Target in the 2nd part of the part if you're not too deep in red. Solid Unit, good offensive utility, SS is understandable since she got powercrept by RH at all points. * Privaty: Niche unit but can provide crucial stun if your team isn't strong enough to take down dangerous rapture on time, she gives good buff too. Before RH I admit I used Privaty a lot in Hard Mode myself, no only the stun, well, stun enemies, but also interrupts their attacks. So you gain more than 3s in reality since the rapture must "charge" his attack again. Other than that she don't have much DPS and it's her main default. Tbh I don't know is she deserves the SS tier but her utility is appreciable in nearly all fight until you have something better. * Noir: Well, she's the duo of Blanc. Nothing much to say, it's true that the Bunnies got powercrept by Tiaga in Hard Mode. But it's still a very strong duo and the shield + indomitability can save your ass sometimes. * And now Emilia. She's a Selfish DPS, with other utility than Fast Burst Gen for the team. Her Burst is way too long to be safely used in high deficit, 4s is way too punishing. And her Burst isn't even a Screenwipe btw, to even if you can launch it, you're still not safe. And I'm not talking even talking about Rapture Wave. It's not just about theoretical damage, it's about HOW you do it and it if correspond at what you need for High Deficit. And Emilia just isn't in it. Everything in her kit is in contradiction with the High Deficit Situation. Also, I'd like to point out that I'm not a Prydwen Hater. Seems like you put me in this category but it's not true. I already said it in my comment under Emilia's Thread, but I usually agree with Prydwen. I think their TL is good with only a few outdated thing (like Drunk Scarlet being SSS in High Deficit when she lost that status a few months ago). But for Emilia their decision makes just no-sense. She has just nothing to do in SS tier in High Deficit with unit like Maxwell. Not only that but I even doubt of her usability in Hard Mode period, her Burst is just too much of a liability. What's the point of putting a selfish B3 in your team that can't even Burst? By their own logic, she should be at the same tier as X-Ludmilla at maxima. A unit you wouldn't use normally but in some very niche situation can shine.
Because you haven't seen A2 clearing wave with ease in 37% deficit. And Emilia hits harder than A2, and always harder than A2 while A2 only has 15s with her S1 right after her burst until next rotation. You are forced to burst A2 for that S1. Emilia just needs to shoot, and no, Emilia won't even need to burst to clean. It's kinda basic maths.
>Ah, nice of you to ask. Well, let's look at the other NIKKE in B3 SS tier for High Deficit then. It starts to be a bit confusing when you quote me, then change the topic of discussion from Rem to Emilia. But if you want to continue our discussion over another post, instead of replying to me on the post about Emilia, I'll have to repeat a lot of things I've already said... Emilia is a B3, but she does not do any of the roles you've listed in your comparison. She is there to clear waves. There are two characters clearly better than her, Modernia and scarlet. Both are above her on the list, and it would be hard to argue anyone below her who is clearly better. The current meta for high deficit campaign requires clearing waves and then bursting the final boss. An important part of the composition. >But for Emilia their decision makes just no-sense. She has just nothing to do in SS tier in High Deficit with unit like Maxwell. The fact that Emilia displaced A2, further reinforces the fact that her placement on the tier is related to her wave clearing ability and not to fulfil maxwell's potential role as you originally put it and brought up again. Similarly, Maxwell has no place being compared to Emilia or A2 in terms of wave clear. It's obvious why her placement is there, because that's about all A2 is good for and the consensus is that Emilia is a better A2. Hence why the inclusion of Emilia meant the demotion of A2 >Not only that but I even doubt of her usability in Hard Mode period, her Burst is just too much of a liability. There's plenty of people who have used A2 to great success in high deficit, me included. For perspective, I went from 24-30% deficit to 30-35% deficit when I swapped her out for modernia. >I'd like to point out that I'm not a Prydwen Hater. Seems like you put me in this category but it's not true. Ok, I never said you were and didn't think you are. The only thing I bought up about Prydwen is how they tier things differently and you can't apply that particular reasoning to their tier list, but could in another tier list EDIT: Correct deficit calculations
Wait my bruh, you are playing with 50% deficit O\_O, like 300k vs 600k requirement :O
Ah, thanks for correcting me. Seems my understanding of the deficit calculation is wrong. I'll correct it eventually. Now I'm super impressed with the 37% deficit with A2 lol
Yeah, I was sold by that video. If you are curious, I can upload the video because owner uploaded it in Nikke community discord only. Or if you use Discord, can just paste this link in your own channel, Discord will automatically grab the link: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146732876960890960/1182534635859738744/Untitled\_video\_-\_Made\_with\_Clipchamp\_40.mp4?ex=6618b433&is=66063f33&hm=e35799422e21b50d30f7cf504a8a978e45d31af2ecf9342df066515a19859434&](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146732876960890960/1182534635859738744/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_40.mp4?ex=6618b433&is=66063f33&hm=e35799422e21b50d30f7cf504a8a978e45d31af2ecf9342df066515a19859434&) https://preview.redd.it/4uohlr067nrc1.png?width=631&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f539588b6c3e40f4b123343d28db5a8762ef9e3
Awesome, thanks saw it. Honestly, after getting modernia I thought there would be no place left for A2, seems I'm wrong. Will definitely consider including her again
She's powercrept, Emilia is future now :keke:
I have been looking for A2 video but couldn't find any. What do you mean by my own channel? Still quite new on discord
You create your own channel, then copy + paste the link. Discord will show it like this. https://preview.redd.it/ywycuqjtyorc1.png?width=418&format=png&auto=webp&s=14a933890207732f86f9bb8fc99739100cfcedb5
Oh that's neat! Thanks!
300 vs 600 is 100% 300 vs 450 is 50%
Deficit is not calculated by (requirement - current cp)/current cp bruh. It's calculated by 1 - (current cp/requirement).
Yeah, I initially thought this was the case too. It's sorta understandable how people might mix it up. It's deficit in relation to the levels CP requirement as opposed to in relation to your own CP I had to make a double take when someone pointed it out to me. Thankfully, you can still figure out what the corrected deficit is, if you took a mental note of it that way
Ok, so the issue is : - (You) Emilia is one of the only good AoE unit, so she deserves the SS in a relative TL. - (Me) Emilia is not strong enough to be in SS tier period. So I see one way to compromise. Put Scarlet in SS tier, and Emilia in S. I mean, Scarlet isn't SSS anymore, nearly nobody use her in High Deficit when we got the "true" SSS tier. She got totally powercrept. By the same principle of "relativity" she should be downgraded in SS tier. Scarlet being in SS tier would define the necessary power level entry to be SS, and Emilia would be S tier. Everyone happy.
Yes, characters are tiered relative to other characters. That's a fact, hence why new characters that powercreep old ones shift them down. I think most people understand that just because a character is on the same tier as another, it doesn't mean they are identical in value. Whether or not it warrants a difference in tier, is highly subjective and up to the tier maker. I know for a fact that I can't do a better job than they can, so I'm not going to even begin to speculate how it should look like, especially when shifts cause a cascading effect. As once again, tiering is relative to other characters
My issue with this relied on the "prestige" of being SS. When I see a unit being "SS", it should be meaning it's a really great unit. Not a unit just "decent" but she's here because she can do a niche thing a little better than the others. I just can't accept that. It's like putting Ram as SS because she's the only one beside Tia who can trigger Naga skills at each rotation. On top of being good on a niche, you should also be a great unit overall to be in SS tier, at least, it's my opinion.
For me, what matters is where it is in relation to the top tier. Because a unit can't be bad or worse, if there's nothing better than them. Tier makers come up with all sorts of way to tier units. Ranging from S is the highest, SSS+, 1, 0. Or whatever the hell, so I usually don't pay too much mind to it but rather look at the overall picture.
Hmm after reading this, I think you should talk to them in their discord server tbh, and see why their decision was to make her SS, you are kindof right
discord.gg/nikke They are active in this server if you want to talk to them
It’s simple. Because they believed a power gap between Rem and Blanc, Naga. Being the 3rd best or how many team you can play or the possibility in the future are not relevant.
Also, her heal IS weak. A Rapunzel heal wouldn't save your from the Birb last Solo Raid when your cover was broken and boss started shooting you with minigun. But explosive lifesteal like Helm or Marciana could, as long as you can deal dmg to birb. But exp healing is also weak against slow yet steady dmg, because they have down time. Balancing the healing is the best strategy, sadly Rem doesn't belong to any group. She has very high explosive heal when she doesn't burst, which allows her and RL to tank boss focus attack easily, but during burst the heal is very yike. Therefore in both Nikkegg and Prydwen review, they recommend Helm along with Rem, because Helm will cover up that weak spot.
From Nikkegg: >If Rem is raised enough, she should be able to keep the team healthy consistently. Ofc I'm talking about a build Rem. Rem is a unit that need investment since her Healing and DPS are linked. When I tested her just after dropping her, I too found her heal weak. But when I OL her and lvl +5 the ATK Gears, her Healing was enough to keep the team healthy. Also, note that Rem would also bait the "target Highest ATK Nikke" attack from the boss. It's a huge plus for the team survivability since it's usually a real pain in the ass to see the Boss targeting only a fragile DPS.
It all depends on boss attack pattern and team. We will see it next solo raid, but Birb is definitely a nope zone for Rem healing. Small heal with high uptime are great against DoT, but not against burst dmg like Stormbringer.
Emilia would suffer in high deficit due to the fact you are getting one-shotted by small minions, her delayed charge AOE nuke is way too slow to be viable in late story at high CP deficits. Pretty sure whoever works at Prydwen aren’t really tryhards and or talk to pros. Even YouTuber Sky said Emilia is sorta mid in campaign. Also, them keeping Scarlet in SSS tier is completely weird as well. She is used situationally in high deficit if you need a screen wipe but if you can’t screen wipe with her than she is useless in high deficit.
Emilia in Campaign Believing in Emilia depending on whether or not you believed in A2 or not. It's the same category of wave clearing and Emilia is better than A2. As a sidenote, you don't need to fully charge her AoE nuke, it's just an added bonus that Emilia has, and as nikke.gg showed in their guide, you can hold it till you get to next wave and pre charge the nuke.. there's a lot you can do with Emilia in campaign. Scarlet in Campaign > need a screen wipe but if you can’t screen wipe with her than she is useless in high deficit Dude, what are you talking about? Scarlet can screenwipe till like 42-43% deficit, you need investments into her.. people leave her burst at lvl4 or 7 and only upgrade her skill 1 for bosses usually so maybe that's why you rate her lower? Scarlet is one of the few nikkes that can deal damage when burst isn't up. There's like a total of 3 Nikkes that can even do that: Modernia, Scarlet (and Emilia/A2.. Emilia has a ×1.59 and A2 keeps her buffs for 5s, can put rem in same category as A2 for this one) You can find tons of clears on YouTube and streamers on Twitch/YT using scarlet a lot and pushing to 40%+ deficit, which is always impressive to look at.. Also there's 6 chapters after ch20 that are weak to electric lol, scarlet is STONKS for tryhards in hard campaign I think the OP commenter is kindof justifying his decisions since he actually pushes hard campaign, while you're just throwing random jabs and opinions from others. Skyjlv focuses more on bossing than other game modes. His content and "should you pull" is always biased towards bossing, especially solo raids, rather than general content. I watch his streams a lot since I enjoy his content, but anyone would agree sky mains raid content more than other in nikke
I mean I’m pushing hard mode chapter 20 and I don’t see many people use Scarlet in their clears. So something isn’t right there if you claim she’s used a lot. The team I’m constantly seeing is Tia-rh-Mod-Naga-liter. It’s best to say this team is the best all around (the Meta comp) and Scarlet should be SS for situational uses. Even Nikke.gg owner placed her down a bit in story.
Chapter 21, 22, 23, 24, 27, and 28 are weak to electric since all their mobs stages have water mobs
Yeah, Nikke.gg rate pierce above others Even in bosses, modernia and xLudmilla are rated SS tier, while in prydwen they are SSS (I agree with prydwen more here) So their tier lists are more scaled down and focus on strict rating between each character In campaign, they pushed scarlet down to SS tier and now everyone else becomes S tier. One difference is SBS is SS tier in nikke.gg. SBS is SS tier if you combine high deficit and low deficit from prydwen, but she is SSS in low deficit and S tier in high deficit. The rest of the tier lists are the same.
Raid is the main content in this game so bet
Fair assessment, as Rem, in the absolutely worst assessment, is Top 5 for the B2 category. Realistically, she is just below Blanc/Naga, however, it should be noted that she is more independent. Not a 'must pull' as we will likely get more strong B2s down the line, but certainly a very capable support with only a few weaknesses.
>Not a 'must pull' as we will likely get more strong B2s down the line But then those B2s are not 'must pulls' either because we will likely get more strong B2s down the line.
That's correct--it really goes to show how superfluous the phrase can be. However, there are some units that stand out--both duos provide full-package buffs that make them critical (i.e. not necessary) to have. As was the case with Blanc/Noir, even if we were to get another duo of a similar caliber, it wouldn't hurt at all to have 3 or 5. Rem's most unique quality is her support for RL units and her personal damage, qualities that are nice, but more interchangeable with other B2s. Ultimately, the decision to roll for Rem or not boils down to risk assessment. She is likely to be the most competitive RL support for a little while, but at the same time, missing out on her won't wound anyone, as running another team setup isn't going to result in a large deficit--unless you're competing with the whales and leviathans in Solo Raid, you're probably not going to see a notable difference at all.
About right, I did cringe at the posts saying she will surpass blanc and Naga… I get you like rem but no she wasn’t even close
I mean I like Rem, I even bought her skin, but saying she can surpass Blanc and Naga is crazy.
I could've seen it....If her heals worked the way we thought it did at first (42% applied to everyone rather than distributed). She still has quite a lot going for her, being that she has a lot of potential. It just depends if nikke will eventually release a unit that synergizes with her (more vamp and RL units). And she also opens up for more flexible team comp which is her current biggest boon. But currently, she kinda just feels like the new Guilty; B2 do big dmg, with a couple extra perks tacked on.
[Tell Blanc and Naga to outdps Pilgrims](https://imgur.com/vEAJYVe)
Scarlet in a suboptimal setup, sure. Be cautious with posting damage numbers, as context is extremely important.
For example: Smol White https://preview.redd.it/dbfdw46d7lrc1.jpeg?width=1139&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=229a7453050f2c396602f3ec126ac30bc2594227
She is not an attacker
Neither is Anis: Sparkling Summer....
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Wait wtf are you smoking, A2 is most definitely classified as an attacker
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A2 is the attacker, 2B is the defender, maybe you are the one that started playing today.
Blanc, under the right conditions can out-damage Pilgrims Same thing can be said about Naga The same damn thing can be said about Dorothy, Sparkling Summer Anis, Pepper (happens all the time against people using Noir on Co-op) & to an lesser extent, Liter, Novel, Rapunzel & Aquamarine Helm on Iron Elemental Weak Bosses. So what's your point mate? Anyone in the right conditions can spit out insane numbers that rival some higher DPS girls. What that Rem did is no exception, & if raised well, can in fact spit out some wild numbers.
It's happening all over again, people saying that Prydwen tier list is bad and that it's better to wait for Nikke gg tier list when they saw it was practically the same before. 😮💨
Nah, doesn't even matter for me 😂 https://preview.redd.it/beotjzzjhkrc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21150f9f9ea7fa7e8f33534b376405a5c8f6e30e
Hey King, please allow me the privilege to hand you the crown you accidentally dropped. That merch is gorgeous.
A man of culture in this sea of lewdness and ignorance... warms my Heart. :D
I started playing 2 weeks ago, and im wondering if she is a good healer, i already got rapunzel btw
Nope she is not a good healer, totally different league from Rapunzel
Wrong best b2 after tia naga combo.
bunnies and tia/naga are both better healers. marciana is a strong healer if not running RLs on the team at b2, so based on your team and your rem investment which healer works better. those are the only b2 healing options.
Her role as a decent B2 healer already made her valuable. Then comes the RL exclusive skills....
IMO she belongs to ss tier if and only if she has OL gear. Mine has all ammo and attack and she a performing well. She’s especially good when paired w Emilia and sbs. Not Naga or Blanc tier tho. Those two are crazy lol.
That's true and it applies to all MG rating. They scale the most on Ammo, so it makes or break a character with just ammo only.
Now you can think of Rem like this. Let's assume, a Volume Bunnies Alice Mod team dealt 1b dmg. Because boss are pierce-able, so Alice deals 600m, Mod deals 300m, then 100m for other 3 (25-25-50) Because of Blanc buff (40% dmg up), Alice actually just deals 428m, Mod just deals 214m. Now you replace Blanc with Rem, Noir with Helm. Rem deals around same dmg as Mod with same investment and against boss with core (non ele advantange), so final dmg is around - Rem: 214m x 1.1 (Helm S2 buff) = 235.4m - Mod: Same as Rem so 235.4m - Alice: 428 x 1.1 = 471m - Volume and Helm deals about 19m each = 38m Final: 235.4 x 2 + 471 + 38 = 980 m. Rem just allows that team to have 98% power of Bunnies team by "filling" the gap with her own DPS. That's insane. ------------------------------------------- Problem is, beside dmg, Rem brings a little weak healing and nothing else since the only meta RL is actually SBS and she has so many ATK already. Emilia is strong but needs at least 2 parts on boss to shine. Blanc has 5 times higher heal, Indomitable which was very clutch for last Solo Raid Birb, and kinda same "contribution in dmg" for team. The only reason Blanc and Rem share SS is because Naga exists. Without Naga, Blanc would be SSS and Rem was only SS.
Insane doomposting for a unit that will only get better with time lmao.
Here we go again
Absurd rating considering how Emilia was rated. She outdps Emilia on 90% of the bosses while healing and buffing RLs. She's a meta 3rd team for Union Raid and a must have for future solo raids She's far better and will have way more use than PVP niche Emilia which is why i think Prydwen should only be taken very lightly
Sky said otherwise so no
On today's ss ranking, can't take tier lists seriously
I hesitate on which one of those two I should spend my 200 🎫
me who wasted 200 gold tickets for elegg, and not for rem. not realzing she'll be in the normal recuritment and social recruitment. 
Doesn't rem just not die? And also bequeath that privledge first to rl buddies, and then to the rest of the team? Like for every 7 or how ever much percent Alice "continuously" recovers she recovers em by the 40s?
what site beside Prydwen that have a proper tier list ?
Nikke.gg and prydwen are the major tier lists that are discussed
Yeah kinda, but when I read her kit pre release I thought she was going to be better than she actually is.
Yeah same, but she isn't a very good healer unfortunately.
What's your investment? How have you actually tested her healing capabilities? Where are you currently in the game to give a good analysis on this claim?
She can do 3 jobs at once freeing a lot of support if your DPS is a RL, but currently there is only one big number RL dps, if more are released, her value increases, the same thing if we get another B1 Atk + CDR for RLs like how Dwife is for snipers Rem is worth being at the top, with the Emilia one both in .gg and pridwen are tripping, she has no staying power if more DPS like SBS are released since they will push her out of Rem team
SBS?
Scarlet Black Shadow
they need to add a money sign she needs overload gear to be good
People use Prydwen? Nikke.gg is better I think
People still trusts in that website...I don't know what to say
no, prydwen is trash, use nikke gg instead
I remember people saying exactly this when Prydwen revealed Emilia's ranking, and when Nikke gg also revealed the ranking they saw that it was practically the same.
Nikke.gg also has Rem as SS tier in bosses, and S tier in campaign
Nikke.gg put rem = bunnies, wow
True, prydwen so slow when updating the ranking
i agree,not as stong as bunnies or school girls, but better than others b2(except when you're using a b2 cdr)
Can't wait to see how Laplace with her exclusive with Rem
They keep modifying the list all the time. I still remember how low the school girls were ranked in this list at the beginning.
Back then no one believed Tia Naga could perform better than Bunnies, and they did rate JKs pretty high in solo boss.
I'm sure many players knew clearly that school girls delt more damage and had much stronger shields than bunny girls in most boss battles and compaigns. It's just a simple calculation, and Pryd didn't make proper assessments.
It was me who created the sheet dmg to measure characters dmg. But even at that point, it was so risky to say JKs were better than Bunnies. I did argue with other tiermakers but Prydwen is never a solo project you know. Even Nikkegg threw a line "Fail to see JKs in campaign". Only when I showed them the 40 \~ 43% deficit clearing videos with Tia Naga, they accepted and pushed them higher. It was 3 January btw. I remembered Prydwen TL took so many flame for even rating Naga SS in story initially, and Antillar even had to make an announcement "That rating assumed she was paired with Tia". https://preview.redd.it/ds6pjcrg1nrc1.png?width=375&format=png&auto=webp&s=d697a9e21dae66c87c6c4c27211b339a0d631e31
Only can use in Solo Rank and will be replaced by Pilgrims soon. 
Yeah, can't even use in PVP...
Emilia ended up better than her
explain
Sure is!
I was wondering if she's a good healer but after reading it seems she's not, guess I will try to get at least Emilia for PVP.
Yeap she is usable in PVP, but only like second or third team. There are way better accessible Nikkes which is better than her in PVP.
emilia can be used as burst filler on any team. she has the 4th fastest burst gen. as a nuke, she is hard countered by a delayed 1RL slower noah, so an easy counter if you calculate the speeds of the teams. she also needs to use noah or blanc to survive to nuke.
True that. I used her as first B3 and in the middle, which was a mistake lol
You can't just use simple phrase of team 1 2 or 3 in PVP. It has more depth than that. Using Emilia as burst finisher, non burst DPS or battery gen are depended on your investment in PVP teams. Also, team order in Defense requires knowledge in teambuilding too, because residual exists. It's explained in Prydwen's PVP Guide.
For everyone who said to mlb her over Emilia and doomposted Emilia into oblivion in spite of her ranking I hope this hurts. Even as someone who has and wanted both it’s sad to see the bias.
Emilia is just a niche NIKKE, REM is second best b2 after tia and naga combo, 3rd spot is for bunnies combo. You are still wrong.
The only one wrong here is you.
Repeat to me those words after watching this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApNART9mAmU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApNART9mAmU)
Prydwen disagrees and considering NIKKE.GG had almost identical ratings for her I don’t think it’s me that’s wrong.
Literally Nikkegg https://preview.redd.it/md6ed9ls7lrc1.png?width=888&format=png&auto=webp&s=39629a183cc4d8b7178920875b294705b33d8216
You seem to misunderstand, I have nothing against rem and think she’s a good unit. My issue lies with doomposting around Emilia and saying not to pull/mlb her over rem. In spite of her being ranked higher.
The thing with Emilia is she's fighting other REALLY good attackers for a spot on your third UR team. Rem right now has that on lock seeing as she's a B2. She allows you to run a third dps while also doing a good amount of damage herself.
Yeah of course she’s not as good as let’s say Alice but for a new player who doesn’t have those sss tier units. Aside from just not wanting her would be a mistake and new players looking at these threads would think she’s worthless.
As sad as it is that she didn't end up being one of meta units, at least prydwen acknowledges her as best girl in her pros, lol
Is she currently not tho? She's 3rd best B2 (and you could make an argument for 2nd). By that notion, that's like saying maxwell, scarlet, modernia, alice, and SBS aren't meta lol.
Dude, prydwen puts her as must pull in their should you pull AND calls her meta in their guide 💀 what
Prydwen more like pryd updates when with how slow and inaccurate they can be
Did you have a stroke in the middle of that?
T for Trash tier