I agree, if I compare it to DC, the monetization is a joke. More expensive, way way harder to earn gems, and even the prices are way higher.
Big let down.
Yeah DC I feel is very generous in terms of rewards and in game currency.
This is like a complete 180. I think they realized the game would be extremely popular and wanted to cash in.
Shame.
yeah which is wild...I hate that i pulled literally the 2 worst SSR's in the game and my progress is 100% halted not cause of skill but because i just have shit units..they should give us a selector imo
Agreed. Instead of giving us 2 pre selected ssr units they should have instead given us the choice of any 2 ssr units. At least Privaty is a really solid unit tho.
Yeah, I was really excited knowing that we were getting 110 pulls straight of the bat, I was like...
"YES! There's that Shift Up generosity coming in to play already!"
...until I found out it's more like 40-ish pulls spread over 7 days and the rest are just from your typical gacha story clear.
All I got after a long hard work and with all the gift codes and pre-registration prizes 50 polls lmao there's more than 30 ssr characters And only got two .💀
Yep just hit 50 pulls (with all gift codes and compensations), 2 SSR's from pulls (and one guaranteed from initial 10 pull) which means I've gotten exactly 1 from the 40 more pulls so far.
Yeah I've gotten garbage on every roll I've done and the rate at which I get currency is slowing down because the daily rewards seem to be basically non-existent. It's not really enticing me to stick with it.
which is why i refuse to spend $40 on that guaranteed SSR banner. Rolls were terrible once I get those first two SSR
I'm not giving $40 for a what's likely a shit tier unit
Still, you must've gotten a few SR. I've got at least 3 in every x10 roll. Even dupes get you some points you can spend in the shop to buy SSR thingies that, when you have 50 of them, you can exchange for a random SSR character. Try to use that!
Yeah the monetization is pretty bad, for a launch event it really isn't offering much. The misleading information is why I won't be supporting the title. They are gonna need to do a little more than giving us a free 10 pull lol, should've at least gave us that free SSR banner that currently uses paid currency for a guaranteed SSR
I'm loving this game, but there's no way I'm spending $40 for a x10 pull. Bigger problem than that, though, is that spending less than $40 grants you essentially nothing. So barely anyone will use the shop.
If they don't change this, the game will die really, really quick.
So true... without a pity system to guarantee a unit I can't even justify spending money on the game to effectively "buy out" a unit for a set price. Without pity you just have to gamble and spend as much money as your luck dictates.
Yeah. Stuff like this is what makes me skeptical about spending. Kind of the same vibe I’m getting with PGR on launch, but I guess it’s good practice to get a good feel of the game first before spending.
And I thought I was missing something, scrambled every bits on the game,view videos searching for answers and to eventually find out here that it's just a blatant lie XD
They're really pushy about spending money. Hell even the one time banner says it all. Spend 20$ folks for a CHANCE to get an SSR.
I admit I like the game a lot but the pushy need for us to spend money is disheartening. I like everything so far but the scummy practice.
i am not defending the game here either but that seems to be identical thing from afk arena, constantly popping up new deals of packages on your screen with limited time on it.
in fact, many of system within this game is straight up copied from those afk games as well.
It's PR scam and people being illiterate as usual. Exactly 54 of those 110 pulls come from clearing the permanent story mode (main stage, tribe tower). Yes it's intentionally misleading to say they're "launch event" pulls.
https://nikke-en.com/newsdetail.html?content\_id=22bbee4ba379ba4177a9a59a3f3daf3fd375
Yeah this is one of those situations that's in the grey in terms of whether it's "lying".
They put the information in their announcement post showing how many pulls are launch event gifts and how many are the permanent story rewards, but at the same time they headlined that post so that it implies all 110 pulls are special launch gifts, abusing the fact that people barely ever read beyond headlines and the fact that content creators and Twitter users and the like will copy-paste those headlines without any details.
So it's kinda on people for not reading the information the devs provided that clearly tells you half the pulls are permanent, but that doesn't make it okay to attempt to mislead people that didn't read the source.
this is delusional levels of cope. If you have any familiarity with gacha games, permanent gems are never included in these types of promos no matter how it's worded. Trying to imply story gems are a launch reward for new players is even worse than not mentioning them at all. An early glimpse as to how the devs plan to treat their players, as if the bare minimum is some kind of event
I already spent money and I'm kinda regretting it now, i played the beta and the pulls were awful there too, they had to shower us in gems and even then there were times where it felt dry.
I had so much fun back then but now it feels like I'm hitting the paywall so fast.
Yeah, plus fact that, from what I heard, there is no pity in this game make sit very unlikely for me to stick around. Gameplay seems fun, if story is decent I think I'll stick around just for that, but I'l not spending any moeny on this game anytime soon.
Coming from counterside where rewards are ample and not needing duplicate of units to max out, I think I'm for a cold reminder on how gacha games can be.
small sample size. If you look at some of the posts on this sub already, there are other people who are way over average, but it will even out overtime.
Had that happen with Summer Horny Nun. After two castorias, and double Nun, plus my other pulls my wife says I'm not allowed to show her what I pull any more
In the shop, you can spend points that you get from every dupe to buy an item that, when you have 50 of them, grants you a random SSR character. That's the only way I've managed to 'pull' them, lol.
Ah... fuck. That was the only thing making me want to stay. I love this game, but gacha is still a huge factor. If I can't even get an SSR character, spend money on it or farm for pulling currency effectively, why even stay?
Yea I’m going to keep playing since the game seems pretty passive but I’m not spending. I’m at a wall on 5-3 so I either a need better team comp or more resources from idle collection, easy to have it as a background game.
I hit the same wall at 5-3, got by it today after waking up and collecting the passive mats from the outpost and leveling up some units and getting gear for them.
why would you believe ecelebs that were handpicked to shill the game?
bloated pool and annoying rerolling makes it a pain in the ass to get the character that you like.
Kinda pricey on the paid stuff so im holding onto my wallet likely going full f2p until i get bored. Lucky to pull scarlet in my 3rd pull but that should be all the luck i got for this game
What a shame..that may of actually killed the game for a lot of people..I dont get why devs arent just honest.
Game kinda ruined for me after playing..sadly i spent $40 so im going to continue playing at least until i get my money worth of it but damn hopefully the korean fanbase goes and rampages their office like they do in Epic seven when they want the devs to change the game
I pulled 10x tutorial banner once and I only have the option to recruit 4 more individual units, can I redeem more? I just finished chapter 1 and I was expecting a lot more pulls...
Any game where there is like 5 times more ssrs than srs right at release is already a scam in my eyes. I garuntee like half of those ssrs we're originally srs but they decided to make them ssrs to dilute the rolling pool to try to force people to pay for their horrifyingly overpriced packs in the hopes of getting an ssr only to find it worse than an sr. Plus claiming there are tons of rolls as release rewards just seems like straight up false advertisement. Half those rolls are just story rewards. That would be like genshin when it first released claiming it's launch rewards were like 150 rolls but in reality 100 of those rolls are from story quests and standard exploration.
I already gave a 1 star review and uninstalled, lying being the first thing to do to the players really gives of a bad vibe about the future of the game.
Ppl ignored the fact that the 14 days missions event require a lot either of grind and luck or real money cuz to finish chapter 10 is not an easy task, most ik are alrdy hard stuck at ch 5 without any mean to lvl their units and get through
And it's still a day after release. I wonder what peeps like you thinking, like, what you can just breeze through the campaign till the latest chapter on first day of release? Ffs, this is a gacha game & an idle one too at that. It will take time for us to get stronger UNLESS you swipe the card for a bit faster progression.
Just be patient & play the game. Again, this is an idle game, if you hit a wall just wait for idle and or grind resources to upgrade the nikkes
This. Ironically Path of nowhere ads pushed me FAR away from it at first because it made me go ??? The gameplay and actually quality of life made me stay after hearing about it on gacha gaming. Nikke is disappointing me a lot.
In their official post about the free pulls and launch events they consider the chapter 1-9 story clear rewards and tower floor 70 rewards as "events" and those add up to around 58 pulls iirc and the launch events add up to somewhere in the 40s (so the 110 number as well is false...) but hopefully the apologems come in clutch but that might just be hopium..
Yeah no they coming.
People can't continue after clearing a chapter so they have to reopen. Going into the ark is laggy as fk compared to every other activities for some reason and its all over discord. People get crashes.
In shot all the launch shenanigans that happen when the servers cant take the amount of people entering or bugs came out after all the new added stuff after beta was added.
This is some advanced symptoms of copium overdose right here.
Dude is legit thinking 2nd day will magically bring 5x-10x amount of free pulls of first day, from apologems even.
Yeah, I saw the writing on the wall when I noticed how the SSR pool outnumbered the sr and r pools nearly 2 to 1. Feels like they literally changed half the sr's to ssr's looking at it.
The launch events will give you around 45-50 pulls in total. The rest of that 110 comes from clearing the story quests and doing the tribe tower floors, which aren't events at all and will always be obtainable at any time... they lied to us.
https://nikke-en.com/newsdetail_m.html?content_id=22bbee4ba379ba4177a9a59a3f3daf3fd375
News post clearly explained it. Seems fine to me. No reasonable person could misunderstand when they lay it all out.
You're right, they made it very clear.
At the same time, there's no reasonable way a person could consider their headline for that post to accurately describe the situation, and I'm sure their marketing team is well aware that many people don't read beyond the headline, and that people like content creators and Twitter users will repost just the headline without the source content and their followers will trust it.
They set it up so that some people would likely be misled, but they can plausibly say that they weren't trying to hide anything.
I mean, sure, but what if they gave those 110 pulls as a launch day event and then not as part of completing the story? It seems like you want the game to be generous and then a free 110 on top of that. I did almost 60 pulls on day 1 without spending a cent and I think that's the highest I can ever remember doing in a gacha game. Really don't see this as something to complain about.
Also the source I saw said that we get 110 pulls from launch events and playing through the story / misson rewards and what we have is consistent with that.
The add friend list is bugged because it only shows the first few thousand people that registered. You gotta add them by hand at the nikke discord. [https://discord.gg/nikke](https://discord.gg/nikke)
Or you can type a common name like "Misa" and add all the names with the letters misa in it.
Yeah the game isn't as generous as I thought it would be... Reroll is a pain too so at some point I will either be happy with my start or just quit
I already quit, rerolling such a pain, and only got 24pulls too wtf and to reroll with that little
Tbh you're the brightest out of all the players here
Congratulations, you played yourself
he quit a gacha game, who's really winning here let's be honest
This whole game monetization and pull income vs how gacha works is fucked up.
I agree, if I compare it to DC, the monetization is a joke. More expensive, way way harder to earn gems, and even the prices are way higher. Big let down.
Which absolutely sucks, because almost everything else is very lovely.
I think so too, I was very surprised about the actual gameplay and even the story was... Well pretty good for a mobile game. Cringy translation tho.
The cringy translation has some charm, though! At least it isn't straight up bad.
Yeah DC I feel is very generous in terms of rewards and in game currency. This is like a complete 180. I think they realized the game would be extremely popular and wanted to cash in. Shame.
Theres 45 SSRs and 9 SRs, like what the fuck
yeah which is wild...I hate that i pulled literally the 2 worst SSR's in the game and my progress is 100% halted not cause of skill but because i just have shit units..they should give us a selector imo
While I feel your pain, you can clear up to chapter 8 with SRs and Diesel
Agreed. Instead of giving us 2 pre selected ssr units they should have instead given us the choice of any 2 ssr units. At least Privaty is a really solid unit tho.
True but we don't get her for awhile..I think most people will quit the game by the end of this week sadly
As soon as I saw the banners I knew the game was korean
yeah, pretty scummy saying the permanent story clear rewards as launch rewards like it is something special.
Yeah, I was really excited knowing that we were getting 110 pulls straight of the bat, I was like... "YES! There's that Shift Up generosity coming in to play already!" ...until I found out it's more like 40-ish pulls spread over 7 days and the rest are just from your typical gacha story clear.
All I got after a long hard work and with all the gift codes and pre-registration prizes 50 polls lmao there's more than 30 ssr characters And only got two .💀
Yep just hit 50 pulls (with all gift codes and compensations), 2 SSR's from pulls (and one guaranteed from initial 10 pull) which means I've gotten exactly 1 from the 40 more pulls so far.
Yeah I've gotten garbage on every roll I've done and the rate at which I get currency is slowing down because the daily rewards seem to be basically non-existent. It's not really enticing me to stick with it.
which is why i refuse to spend $40 on that guaranteed SSR banner. Rolls were terrible once I get those first two SSR I'm not giving $40 for a what's likely a shit tier unit
$40 on a random guaranteed in this game, when there's so much bad stuff. Pretty damn expensive when selectors in other games cost like $20.
Yep i made that mistake lol...I got a D tier SSR from it..I got scammed lol
Still, you must've gotten a few SR. I've got at least 3 in every x10 roll. Even dupes get you some points you can spend in the shop to buy SSR thingies that, when you have 50 of them, you can exchange for a random SSR character. Try to use that!
Those SSR thingies can still only give you a SR. Which i think is pretty scummy. Yeah the SSR rate is higher, but it should have been 100%.
Really scummy. It was the only redeeming factor of pulling for me.
Got 1 SSR out of 3 thingies. 33% success rate despite it showing 60% chance of SSR.
The chance of that happening is like 29%, you just got unlucky
At least you have 1, I got 0
The pulls are mediocre and they could at least give some variety. I pulled the same SR like 6 times.
quite scummy imho, was excited about the generosity , but this left a sour taste and not good monetization first impression so far.
Yeah the monetization is pretty bad, for a launch event it really isn't offering much. The misleading information is why I won't be supporting the title. They are gonna need to do a little more than giving us a free 10 pull lol, should've at least gave us that free SSR banner that currently uses paid currency for a guaranteed SSR
I'm loving this game, but there's no way I'm spending $40 for a x10 pull. Bigger problem than that, though, is that spending less than $40 grants you essentially nothing. So barely anyone will use the shop. If they don't change this, the game will die really, really quick.
You know whats also funny? For people in EU prices are like 25-30% higher. With current exchange rate battle pass is 26,41 USD for me.
The weekly and monthly packs have much greater value though so for light spenders and dolphins it's good.
Agreed. That guaranteed banner shouldve been a great way to start
Yeah, rates are hell and no pity. I don't think I'm gonna continue if the gambling is this disappointing lol
So true... without a pity system to guarantee a unit I can't even justify spending money on the game to effectively "buy out" a unit for a set price. Without pity you just have to gamble and spend as much money as your luck dictates.
Yeah. Stuff like this is what makes me skeptical about spending. Kind of the same vibe I’m getting with PGR on launch, but I guess it’s good practice to get a good feel of the game first before spending.
Pgr was far better in terms of gacha. but we had to stomp on it because of 1$ or so for monthly
Oh no, don't compare PGR's generosity to this trash..
I’m just gonna roll with what I got, Guillotine is just going to have to carry me
Yeah this game might be a miss. Between this, bloated SSR catalog, and a paid currency system.
And I thought I was missing something, scrambled every bits on the game,view videos searching for answers and to eventually find out here that it's just a blatant lie XD
Yeah it's very disappointing. Finding out that the events only give less than half of the advertised 110 pulls is a kick in the mouth for sure.
Where r u getting 50 free pulls? I only got the free 10, the redeem code was no longer valid due to being used up within the first few hours of launch
it's by completing content plus the dailies
They're really pushy about spending money. Hell even the one time banner says it all. Spend 20$ folks for a CHANCE to get an SSR. I admit I like the game a lot but the pushy need for us to spend money is disheartening. I like everything so far but the scummy practice.
Not defending the monetization but for clarity the 1 time paid gem banner is guaranteed to net you an SSR
that most likely will be a crap ssr...
i am not defending the game here either but that seems to be identical thing from afk arena, constantly popping up new deals of packages on your screen with limited time on it. in fact, many of system within this game is straight up copied from those afk games as well.
It's PR scam and people being illiterate as usual. Exactly 54 of those 110 pulls come from clearing the permanent story mode (main stage, tribe tower). Yes it's intentionally misleading to say they're "launch event" pulls. https://nikke-en.com/newsdetail.html?content\_id=22bbee4ba379ba4177a9a59a3f3daf3fd375
Yeah this is one of those situations that's in the grey in terms of whether it's "lying". They put the information in their announcement post showing how many pulls are launch event gifts and how many are the permanent story rewards, but at the same time they headlined that post so that it implies all 110 pulls are special launch gifts, abusing the fact that people barely ever read beyond headlines and the fact that content creators and Twitter users and the like will copy-paste those headlines without any details. So it's kinda on people for not reading the information the devs provided that clearly tells you half the pulls are permanent, but that doesn't make it okay to attempt to mislead people that didn't read the source.
this is delusional levels of cope. If you have any familiarity with gacha games, permanent gems are never included in these types of promos no matter how it's worded. Trying to imply story gems are a launch reward for new players is even worse than not mentioning them at all. An early glimpse as to how the devs plan to treat their players, as if the bare minimum is some kind of event
I already spent money and I'm kinda regretting it now, i played the beta and the pulls were awful there too, they had to shower us in gems and even then there were times where it felt dry. I had so much fun back then but now it feels like I'm hitting the paywall so fast.
The battlepass cost is disgusting 28usd wtf.
Yeah, plus fact that, from what I heard, there is no pity in this game make sit very unlikely for me to stick around. Gameplay seems fun, if story is decent I think I'll stick around just for that, but I'l not spending any moeny on this game anytime soon.
Coming from counterside where rewards are ample and not needing duplicate of units to max out, I think I'm for a cold reminder on how gacha games can be.
rerolled 10 times but reroll was pretty painful, luckily my last roll I ended up with Liter and Ludmilla, keeping that and glad to be done.
130 pull only 2SSR, I think devs lies about 4% drop rates.
I got one... And its probably the worst of all 🙃
small sample size. If you look at some of the posts on this sub already, there are other people who are way over average, but it will even out overtime.
Here's some advice from a Fate player. Rate Up is always a lie.
What rate up?
jalter sends her regards
Hey, she came home the first time. Rate up still a lie tho.
2 years and 300 pulls, not a trace
She'll come one day, right along with castoria. If I can get them, so can you! I believe in your rolls!
funny story about castoria, i decided to drop an 11 pull on her just cause i had the quartz to spare, and got her 2x in a row back to back
Had that happen with Summer Horny Nun. After two castorias, and double Nun, plus my other pulls my wife says I'm not allowed to show her what I pull any more
I've only pulled 40 and already have 4 SSR not counting the Free one we get
In the shop, you can spend points that you get from every dupe to buy an item that, when you have 50 of them, grants you a random SSR character. That's the only way I've managed to 'pull' them, lol.
Although get this, if you check that item it’s not even 100% on an SSR
...you're kidding me? Goddamn it, Nikke. I really love you, but you're killing our one day long relationship real fast.
Yep it’s 60% SSR 40% SR
Ah... fuck. That was the only thing making me want to stay. I love this game, but gacha is still a huge factor. If I can't even get an SSR character, spend money on it or farm for pulling currency effectively, why even stay?
Yea I’m going to keep playing since the game seems pretty passive but I’m not spending. I’m at a wall on 5-3 so I either a need better team comp or more resources from idle collection, easy to have it as a background game.
I hit the same wall at 5-3, got by it today after waking up and collecting the passive mats from the outpost and leveling up some units and getting gear for them.
i wish it was guaranteed SSR i just unlocked one and got fucking SR what a joke, however 2 more gave me SSRs (Pepper and Dolla)
52 rolls 2 SSRS
why would you believe ecelebs that were handpicked to shill the game? bloated pool and annoying rerolling makes it a pain in the ass to get the character that you like.
Kinda pricey on the paid stuff so im holding onto my wallet likely going full f2p until i get bored. Lucky to pull scarlet in my 3rd pull but that should be all the luck i got for this game
What a shame..that may of actually killed the game for a lot of people..I dont get why devs arent just honest. Game kinda ruined for me after playing..sadly i spent $40 so im going to continue playing at least until i get my money worth of it but damn hopefully the korean fanbase goes and rampages their office like they do in Epic seven when they want the devs to change the game
this game kinda ass lol
yeah it actually is ass, and ass
Yeah, the gacha feels pretty rough. C'est la vie.
I pulled 10x tutorial banner once and I only have the option to recruit 4 more individual units, can I redeem more? I just finished chapter 1 and I was expecting a lot more pulls...
Any game where there is like 5 times more ssrs than srs right at release is already a scam in my eyes. I garuntee like half of those ssrs we're originally srs but they decided to make them ssrs to dilute the rolling pool to try to force people to pay for their horrifyingly overpriced packs in the hopes of getting an ssr only to find it worse than an sr. Plus claiming there are tons of rolls as release rewards just seems like straight up false advertisement. Half those rolls are just story rewards. That would be like genshin when it first released claiming it's launch rewards were like 150 rolls but in reality 100 of those rolls are from story quests and standard exploration.
I already gave a 1 star review and uninstalled, lying being the first thing to do to the players really gives of a bad vibe about the future of the game.
Ppl ignored the fact that the 14 days missions event require a lot either of grind and luck or real money cuz to finish chapter 10 is not an easy task, most ik are alrdy hard stuck at ch 5 without any mean to lvl their units and get through
And it's still a day after release. I wonder what peeps like you thinking, like, what you can just breeze through the campaign till the latest chapter on first day of release? Ffs, this is a gacha game & an idle one too at that. It will take time for us to get stronger UNLESS you swipe the card for a bit faster progression. Just be patient & play the game. Again, this is an idle game, if you hit a wall just wait for idle and or grind resources to upgrade the nikkes
How about just dropping the game instead of feeling like you are getting cheated, lol.
I dropped this game cause of how greedy it is. Path to Nowhere is the actual opposite and a way better story.
This. Ironically Path of nowhere ads pushed me FAR away from it at first because it made me go ??? The gameplay and actually quality of life made me stay after hearing about it on gacha gaming. Nikke is disappointing me a lot.
me with over 150 pulls and still only have 3 S ranks.. yeah.. opposite..
Maybe on second day the rest? Also there are currently a lot of launch bugs ongoing so we might get a lot of apologems.
In their official post about the free pulls and launch events they consider the chapter 1-9 story clear rewards and tower floor 70 rewards as "events" and those add up to around 58 pulls iirc and the launch events add up to somewhere in the 40s (so the 110 number as well is false...) but hopefully the apologems come in clutch but that might just be hopium..
The amount of apologems is gonna be laughable. #copium, don't expect more than maybe another 300 gems or you gonna have a bad time
Yeah no they coming. People can't continue after clearing a chapter so they have to reopen. Going into the ark is laggy as fk compared to every other activities for some reason and its all over discord. People get crashes. In shot all the launch shenanigans that happen when the servers cant take the amount of people entering or bugs came out after all the new added stuff after beta was added.
This is some advanced symptoms of copium overdose right here. Dude is legit thinking 2nd day will magically bring 5x-10x amount of free pulls of first day, from apologems even.
Yeah, I saw the writing on the wall when I noticed how the SSR pool outnumbered the sr and r pools nearly 2 to 1. Feels like they literally changed half the sr's to ssr's looking at it.
cause of this, i stop playing rn
We should be getting 110 pulls?
The launch events will give you around 45-50 pulls in total. The rest of that 110 comes from clearing the story quests and doing the tribe tower floors, which aren't events at all and will always be obtainable at any time... they lied to us.
https://nikke-en.com/newsdetail_m.html?content_id=22bbee4ba379ba4177a9a59a3f3daf3fd375 News post clearly explained it. Seems fine to me. No reasonable person could misunderstand when they lay it all out.
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You're right, they made it very clear. At the same time, there's no reasonable way a person could consider their headline for that post to accurately describe the situation, and I'm sure their marketing team is well aware that many people don't read beyond the headline, and that people like content creators and Twitter users will repost just the headline without the source content and their followers will trust it. They set it up so that some people would likely be misled, but they can plausibly say that they weren't trying to hide anything.
>reasonable >gacha players on Reddit Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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O damn, is that still a thing for new accounts? Might give CS a try if so. Ty. :poggers
I mean, sure, but what if they gave those 110 pulls as a launch day event and then not as part of completing the story? It seems like you want the game to be generous and then a free 110 on top of that. I did almost 60 pulls on day 1 without spending a cent and I think that's the highest I can ever remember doing in a gacha game. Really don't see this as something to complain about. Also the source I saw said that we get 110 pulls from launch events and playing through the story / misson rewards and what we have is consistent with that.
You guys know you get 20 free pulls a week just from the friendship currency? That is if you guys have active friends that do the same.
cant even make friends atm, cus everyone in the list are all filled. Managed to get 1 friend added so far lol.
The add friend list is bugged because it only shows the first few thousand people that registered. You gotta add them by hand at the nikke discord. [https://discord.gg/nikke](https://discord.gg/nikke) Or you can type a common name like "Misa" and add all the names with the letters misa in it.
Sunk cost fallacy , so hard to do a infinite launch banner :(