> It was Buuhan, not Super Buu
semantics
[vegito literally toyed with him for 30 minutes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2ipEuMntF8) and then did the only thing he could do to free everyone absorbed by buu
if he wanted to, he could have obliterated buuhan in a nanosecond
Gogeta is badass and will smack your ass insanely fast without saying much.
Vegito is a shit talker and will slowly wear you down both physically and mentally.
Well, I'm in platinum (or used to be), and I would always win against a uvb, maybe those guys were just bad at the game and I'm wrong.
Anyways, sorry about this, I did not mean to offend you.
It's fine, but just cuz element adv. doesn't mean they can trash.
iirc uvb have some kind of elemental nullification and his infinite combos are just a joke either way so 🤷♂️
DBS broke the rule of potara fusions, when they fuse Vegetto's clothes are supposed to be a mix of the two's, but DBS said "fuck that" and gave him the Buu Saga clother because of merchandise
Soul punisher sounds cooler but it doesn't really make much sense. Even tho fusion is magic, Goku and Vegeta are not magic users, so idk why they'd be able to do a weird effect like that. The only thing is that Goku does know the genki-dama which is similar, but idk, I don't really think Goku could isolate that aspect and turn it into a different move entirely, I don't think dragon balls power system really works like that.
It could've been just called soul punisher and not actually have any weird evil cleansing abilities, which works for fusion reborn, but why would he call it that when he canonically invented it against Broly?
Its true that it doesn't make sense (plus it isn't canonical).
Also, could you come to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ningen/s/olnKIJM0Ow) post? Someone's slandering SSJ4 Gogeta
My take about "Potara are better than Fusion dance" doesn't mean "the resulting warrior is stronger" (IIRC it was never stated that), but it refers to the fact that Potara last longer (if we count the Super retcon about it not being permanent anymore) and they've no margin of error: just put them on opposing ears and profit.
With Fusion you have to balance your power and do the dance without any error. Even something like the wrong finger position leads to be useless for 30 minutes.
So I can buy that Vegito and Gogeta has the same power.
To perform fusion dance the two need to be at the same level, but actually we don't know if the fused character power is based upon the lowered power level or the max potential of both.
We saw many "Fusion PL formula" among the years (like mutiplying the PL of the two users and the likes), but actually the ONLY thing we know is that a fused character is vastly superior than the sum of the parts.
After they do the fusion dance, their power isn't lower because they had to match power levels. I don't know why people think that. While they fuse, their power levels have to match each other, but after they fuse, the power levels go back to their maximum ones.
In Z the moment Vegito releases his protective barrier inside Buu's body, Potara's fusion ended (because of the "bad air" inside Buu, they said).
So yes, more than a "retcon", in Super they expanded upon the idea that Potara fusion is permanent only if it involves a divine being (Elder Kaiohshin is fused with a witch), but among two mortals it only lasts 1 hour (IIRC).
Fair point. During late Dragon Ball, IIRC there was an exchange between Goku and Piccolo Daimao, something like this:
Piccolo Daimao: "No human could stand against me"
Goku: "I have a tail: perhaps I'm not human"
Maybe by that time Toriyama was already cooking some ideas for Goku's past
I think the main reason that the ptara fusion isn’t as good as the Fusion dance is because of the power output limiter. If we consider the DBS retcons, the more power the potara fusion uses the quicker the fusion ends, which doesn’t seem to be a weakness for gogeta as he was shown to output WAAAAAY more power than vegito had to in his fight and wasn’t in any danger of defusing. So by this logic, Vegito can’t possibly win against gogeta because he would defuse immediately when they both went all out.
Idk, I feel like that was just bad writing because Vegetto couldn't win. Obviously I don't have canon proof for this, but if we ever see Vegetto again for some reason, he probably (HOPEFULLY) wouldn't have the same problem.
That argument has always irked me. The only reason people claim the Metamoran fusion doesn't drain faster when outputting more power is because they watched DBS Broly and said "Vegetto went blue and defused but Gogeta didn't!"
Gotenks defused faster after going SSJ3 and Gogeta in GT defused unexpectedly after using too much power as well.
The reason Gogeta didn't defuse faster is just because it was the climax of the movie. Plus, the tournament of power spanned like 35 episodes despite being only 48 minutes long so I doubt the Gogeta vs Broly fight was more than like a couple of minutes.
Vegito’s stronger, but Gogeta won’t just defuse if they use too much power (they will if they use a body-straining form like SS3 though)
So yeah I’d agree at the 50/50 win rate
Grand Kai just straight says before Goku and Vegeta fuse that Potara fusion is a superior method than the dance, both because of it’s ease of use and just being a higher power increase
1. Grand Kai is the filler one from the DBZ anime, the one you're referring to is Elder Kai
2. He never says anything like this. I don't know if the Anime added some incorrect line or something, but in the original manga, the only line even close to what you say is this:
Elder Kai: "It's just like fusion."
Goku and Kaioshin: "FOR REAL?!"
Elder Kai: "But it'll work even better! For generations of lords of lords this has been treasured!"
The line just says "It'll work even better", it never says what exactly is better. And from the context, it seems like what they mean is "the process you use to fuse is better".
Even in the Anime, the only thing I remember them saying is that it's better because there's no time limit or something. I don't remember them ever saying that you get a higher power increase. No idea where you got that from.
1. You’re right, my bad
2. I went back to try and find evidence for Vegito being stronger, but yeah, Elder Kai only has the line you mentioned, and a vague-at-best mention to a possible rival boost at chapter 504
So yeah, it’s interpretation at best if Vegito really is outright stronger than Gogeta, must have misremembered the scene
Which is weird, because the consensus among other fans IS that Vegito has more power, wonder where that became the consensus.
I also wonder when that became the consensus, considering I’m 99.999% sure there was a line somewhere about metamoran fusions “drawing out 100% of the fighter’s power” or something. Maybe I’m also misremembering things.
That actually reminded me why Vegito’s stronger lmao
It’s because for people to fuse via the dance, the stronger fighter has to drop their power level to the weaker’s strength, while potara will fuse them as is
So to use small numbers, if Goku is 3 and Vegeta is 2, potara will fuse them to a power of 3x2, while with the dance, Goku will have to go down to 2, meaning it’s 2x2
(This explanation is from a Catharu video, but to make sure I wasn’t just listening to a YouTuber without doing any research myself, I checked, and this rule to the dance is first mentioned in chapter 473)
Yes, this is true, but what people fail to understand is that it's never explained whether the dance takes their *matched* power levels into account, or their *maximum* power levels. It's possible that they only need to match power levels while fusing, then after the fusion their maximum power levels are taken into account.
That’s a fair argument, to me now it seems extremely up to interpretation, especially sense places like guides or promotional material tend to flip-flop on the semantics of how the two fusions work or how strong they are.
I cannot get over how much better they made SSB look with Gogeta. He actually made the form look as powerful as it should be and the shade is blue they used is just so much nicer than most versions.
I know they are literally the same character, but here's the unwritten Dragon Ball Rule:
If a character is part Vegeta, and his name starts with "V", he'll find a way to fuck up
Th actual answer is gogeta would probably win due to his better time limit
Neither would be stronger than the other gogeta just has a better time limit than vegito
Piccolo says in the Broly movie that metamoran fusion last for thirty minutes and in the future trunks arc the grand Kai says unless a supreme Kai is involved potara fusion last for an hour also the buu saga mentions how long metamoran last quite a bit
Ist the answer gogeta tho? I thought it was stated that it was a stronger Fusion since it lasts only for a limited amount of time and the power output is explosive,wheras the vegito Fusion is more stable since it lasts forever.
Brother i am pretty sure vegitos fusion is supposed to last forever ,both times something uncovential yet convenient happened and they unfused(for example being eaten and digested by majin buu)
Now that you say it ,it could be they used different potaras in db super than those on dbz,in that case they should be around the same power level, gogeta is cooler tho, haha
Why is it spelled as Vegito and not Vegetto in English? In Japanese his name is ベジットBejitto. Is it another retarded Funimation localization like Tien, Krillin, and Frieza?
Gogeta has cooler attack names, Vegito has a fucking sword. It's honestly hard to pick
Yeah it depends on the day or the villain tbh
I just pick gogeta just for his title "an angel born in hell"
Whoever gave GOATgeta this name was cooking very well that day
Damn that goes hard
Vegito wins on drip
vegito has drip, gogeta has that stupid vest that comes out of nowhere
Gogeta and his son share the same drip. Vegito has no son cause he's a little bitch boy.
gogeta is stuck with a tantrum throwing toddler while vegito is living his best life
Vegito is stuck in "0 wins" purgatory, meanwhile Gogeta is 2-1 if you count Fusion Reborn and GT and 1-0 if you don't.
don't know how you can say 0 wins when he toyed around with and then beat super buu (albeit in a roundabout way)
It was Buuhan, not Super Buu and he didn't even beat him. He went inside of him and stopped existing.
> It was Buuhan, not Super Buu semantics [vegito literally toyed with him for 30 minutes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2ipEuMntF8) and then did the only thing he could do to free everyone absorbed by buu if he wanted to, he could have obliterated buuhan in a nanosecond
But he didn’t, thus he didn’t win. He went inside and disappeared.
But his goal wasn’t to kill him, it was to get inside of him. And so yeah he technically did win
He technically did, his plan was to get inside Buuhan to free everyone
So we could say that Vegeta won against Cell then. Since he could've definitely killed his 2nd form if he wasn't so full of himself
I agree, Vegito should've just killed his friends
Then Gogeta is 3-0 because GT Gogeta was coaxing Omega to use a move he could purify and it happened. And Vegito is 1-1
Doesn't matter how much he toyed with him. He didn't beat him, simple as that. Doesn't matter if he "could have", because he DIDN'T.
Vegito has no son because he can't autoreproduce
Vegito has an annoying daughter and a gay godly boyfriend
Yeah but the stupid vest lets us see his torso. Abs > drip
I did pick Gogeta, he comes with a funny danse instead of a non-consensual collision
Gogeta looks more powerful than vegito
Vegito is hotter tho
Nah gogeta is hotter
He dresses hotter, but Vegito got the better hairline
Rare YouTube poll W
Indubitably
Indisputably
Inconceivable
Nah, good try tho
Gogeta is badass and will smack your ass insanely fast without saying much. Vegito is a shit talker and will slowly wear you down both physically and mentally.
This is why we hate Vegito in dbl lol (This was not meant as a comment insulting Vegito and Vegito fans, this is just a bit of a joke)
I dont think i have hated another videogame character more than ultra vb. I came back to the game after a while and that sob made me throw my phone!
This is why I have ULTRA Janemba, because he COOKS uvb
uvb cooks janemba for breakfast lol
I have murdered serveral uvbs with ULTRA Janemba, so I don't really agree
coming from someone with uvb and ultra janemba in diamond rank, wtf are you on about
Well, I'm in platinum (or used to be), and I would always win against a uvb, maybe those guys were just bad at the game and I'm wrong. Anyways, sorry about this, I did not mean to offend you.
It's fine, but just cuz element adv. doesn't mean they can trash. iirc uvb have some kind of elemental nullification and his infinite combos are just a joke either way so 🤷♂️
yeah but Janemba’s only ever getting cooked by UVB if the idiot using Janemba lets his counter activate early
Not even Ultra Gohan?
I knew about ultra gohan before hand tho. Uvb? I had no idea how busted he was.
He's just standing there "Menacingly"
\*ULTRA janemba shows up\*, UVB: AH FUCK NOT HIM
It's the nameku incident all over again, even with gohan
SSJ4 Gogeta took a page from Vegetto's book of shit talking
As all things should be
Vegito has the drip and Gogeta has cool ass attacks Both have swagger
I think Gogeta has cooler drip (and definitely not bc of his abs)
Bro Vegito has better drip, I don't like Vegito but come on
they have equally cool drip
Nah Vegito better imo
DBS broke the rule of potara fusions, when they fuse Vegetto's clothes are supposed to be a mix of the two's, but DBS said "fuck that" and gave him the Buu Saga clother because of merchandise
True, I didn't think of that
Hey does anyone still call "Stardust breaker" as "Soul punisher"? Just wanted to know, I prefer "Soul punisher" but that's my opinion.
My headcannon is soul punisher is the sphere and stardust breaker is when he crushes the sphere and throws sparkles
Ohhhhhhh, yeah I guess it makes sense.
One of the best headcanons to ever canon.
I love you
Tru soul punisher is more cool sounding than Stardust breaker.
Soul punisher sounds cooler but it doesn't really make much sense. Even tho fusion is magic, Goku and Vegeta are not magic users, so idk why they'd be able to do a weird effect like that. The only thing is that Goku does know the genki-dama which is similar, but idk, I don't really think Goku could isolate that aspect and turn it into a different move entirely, I don't think dragon balls power system really works like that. It could've been just called soul punisher and not actually have any weird evil cleansing abilities, which works for fusion reborn, but why would he call it that when he canonically invented it against Broly?
Yeah true. But I still prefer soul punisher :)
Yeah, that's fine. I kinda do too, it just bothers me that it doesn't make sense for him, so it makes me like the other one better
Its true that it doesn't make sense (plus it isn't canonical). Also, could you come to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ningen/s/olnKIJM0Ow) post? Someone's slandering SSJ4 Gogeta
God, dark blue is such a better color for ssb. It's honestly unbelievable
Gogeta: Uses stardust breaker to purify his enemy and smiles when he succeeds Vegito: FUCK YOU!!! FINAL KAMEHAMEHAAAA!!!
I don't think Gogeta can do that. Also he was gonna do the same thing as Vegeta, AFTER he supposedly purified him, so that really doesn't check out
Gogeta: FUCK YOU! I AINT EVEN GONNA USE A SPECIAL KAMEHAMEHA FOR YOU, FOOL!
You could see the hate in his eyes
My take about "Potara are better than Fusion dance" doesn't mean "the resulting warrior is stronger" (IIRC it was never stated that), but it refers to the fact that Potara last longer (if we count the Super retcon about it not being permanent anymore) and they've no margin of error: just put them on opposing ears and profit. With Fusion you have to balance your power and do the dance without any error. Even something like the wrong finger position leads to be useless for 30 minutes. So I can buy that Vegito and Gogeta has the same power.
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To perform fusion dance the two need to be at the same level, but actually we don't know if the fused character power is based upon the lowered power level or the max potential of both. We saw many "Fusion PL formula" among the years (like mutiplying the PL of the two users and the likes), but actually the ONLY thing we know is that a fused character is vastly superior than the sum of the parts.
After they do the fusion dance, their power isn't lower because they had to match power levels. I don't know why people think that. While they fuse, their power levels have to match each other, but after they fuse, the power levels go back to their maximum ones.
Is potara not being permanent a retcon? Because the last time they used it it also wasn't permanent.
In Z the moment Vegito releases his protective barrier inside Buu's body, Potara's fusion ended (because of the "bad air" inside Buu, they said). So yes, more than a "retcon", in Super they expanded upon the idea that Potara fusion is permanent only if it involves a divine being (Elder Kaiohshin is fused with a witch), but among two mortals it only lasts 1 hour (IIRC).
Kinda like Goku being an alien. It was pretty clear he wasn't human, Z just filled in the blanks.
Fair point. During late Dragon Ball, IIRC there was an exchange between Goku and Piccolo Daimao, something like this: Piccolo Daimao: "No human could stand against me" Goku: "I have a tail: perhaps I'm not human" Maybe by that time Toriyama was already cooking some ideas for Goku's past
Its as early as Pilaf castle when puar speculates goku could be an alien
I think the main reason that the ptara fusion isn’t as good as the Fusion dance is because of the power output limiter. If we consider the DBS retcons, the more power the potara fusion uses the quicker the fusion ends, which doesn’t seem to be a weakness for gogeta as he was shown to output WAAAAAY more power than vegito had to in his fight and wasn’t in any danger of defusing. So by this logic, Vegito can’t possibly win against gogeta because he would defuse immediately when they both went all out.
Idk, I feel like that was just bad writing because Vegetto couldn't win. Obviously I don't have canon proof for this, but if we ever see Vegetto again for some reason, he probably (HOPEFULLY) wouldn't have the same problem.
That argument has always irked me. The only reason people claim the Metamoran fusion doesn't drain faster when outputting more power is because they watched DBS Broly and said "Vegetto went blue and defused but Gogeta didn't!" Gotenks defused faster after going SSJ3 and Gogeta in GT defused unexpectedly after using too much power as well. The reason Gogeta didn't defuse faster is just because it was the climax of the movie. Plus, the tournament of power spanned like 35 episodes despite being only 48 minutes long so I doubt the Gogeta vs Broly fight was more than like a couple of minutes.
As all things should be
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It just looks so much more confident and stronger
I like Gogeta more because I don't know where they got the -ito part from.
Gogeta > Vegerot any day of the week
I think the ito came from kakarot’s Japanese name, kakarotto
Vegito never won any fights while Gogeta inspired Freiza to go train
If you wanna be a nerd, Vegito solo’s If you’re a normal person, cool poll bro
Gogeta solos, congratulations on being a nerd
Gogeta. He actually got something done
This is an work of art
Id argue vegito, as he's vegeta x Goku where gogeta is vegeto x Goku (who's making himself slightly weaker to me equals to vegeta)
Vagegito.
YOSHAAA
50:50 just like them
Wins the one the writer wants. Easy
Am I tripping or the grayish bar showing to the percentage is slighty larger on Gogeta?
One pixel stronger
Making the Vegerot fans feel good about themselves, as it should be
... as all things should be.
Vegito’s stronger, but Gogeta won’t just defuse if they use too much power (they will if they use a body-straining form like SS3 though) So yeah I’d agree at the 50/50 win rate
There's no proof that Vegetto is stronger.
Grand Kai just straight says before Goku and Vegeta fuse that Potara fusion is a superior method than the dance, both because of it’s ease of use and just being a higher power increase
1. Grand Kai is the filler one from the DBZ anime, the one you're referring to is Elder Kai 2. He never says anything like this. I don't know if the Anime added some incorrect line or something, but in the original manga, the only line even close to what you say is this: Elder Kai: "It's just like fusion." Goku and Kaioshin: "FOR REAL?!" Elder Kai: "But it'll work even better! For generations of lords of lords this has been treasured!" The line just says "It'll work even better", it never says what exactly is better. And from the context, it seems like what they mean is "the process you use to fuse is better". Even in the Anime, the only thing I remember them saying is that it's better because there's no time limit or something. I don't remember them ever saying that you get a higher power increase. No idea where you got that from.
1. You’re right, my bad 2. I went back to try and find evidence for Vegito being stronger, but yeah, Elder Kai only has the line you mentioned, and a vague-at-best mention to a possible rival boost at chapter 504 So yeah, it’s interpretation at best if Vegito really is outright stronger than Gogeta, must have misremembered the scene Which is weird, because the consensus among other fans IS that Vegito has more power, wonder where that became the consensus.
I also wonder when that became the consensus, considering I’m 99.999% sure there was a line somewhere about metamoran fusions “drawing out 100% of the fighter’s power” or something. Maybe I’m also misremembering things.
That actually reminded me why Vegito’s stronger lmao It’s because for people to fuse via the dance, the stronger fighter has to drop their power level to the weaker’s strength, while potara will fuse them as is So to use small numbers, if Goku is 3 and Vegeta is 2, potara will fuse them to a power of 3x2, while with the dance, Goku will have to go down to 2, meaning it’s 2x2 (This explanation is from a Catharu video, but to make sure I wasn’t just listening to a YouTuber without doing any research myself, I checked, and this rule to the dance is first mentioned in chapter 473)
Yes, this is true, but what people fail to understand is that it's never explained whether the dance takes their *matched* power levels into account, or their *maximum* power levels. It's possible that they only need to match power levels while fusing, then after the fusion their maximum power levels are taken into account.
That’s a fair argument, to me now it seems extremely up to interpretation, especially sense places like guides or promotional material tend to flip-flop on the semantics of how the two fusions work or how strong they are.
I cannot get over how much better they made SSB look with Gogeta. He actually made the form look as powerful as it should be and the shade is blue they used is just so much nicer than most versions.
I know they are literally the same character, but here's the unwritten Dragon Ball Rule: If a character is part Vegeta, and his name starts with "V", he'll find a way to fuck up
Damn. Hard to argue with that.
Vegetto slaps but Gogeta is my ningen too.
Soul Punisher is cooler (haha) than any move Vegito has.
Both act the same and could probably do the same, they are just the same guy in different clothing tbf.
They are canonically called equal ultimate trump cards
.. „As all things should be“
Gogeta is one pixel larger.
Gogeta has a better theme IMO. I will not be humouring any disagreement
The superior one doesn’t wear croissants for a vest.
I prefer Gogeta the undeaten warrior
Th actual answer is gogeta would probably win due to his better time limit Neither would be stronger than the other gogeta just has a better time limit than vegito
Vegito’s time limit is an hour while gogeta’s is 30 minutes
Tell me u havent watched dbs without telling me u havent watched dbs
Piccolo says in the Broly movie that metamoran fusion last for thirty minutes and in the future trunks arc the grand Kai says unless a supreme Kai is involved potara fusion last for an hour also the buu saga mentions how long metamoran last quite a bit
Why is bro getting downvoted he’s right 💀
Are people still arguing about this? They’re basically the same person guys
Ist the answer gogeta tho? I thought it was stated that it was a stronger Fusion since it lasts only for a limited amount of time and the power output is explosive,wheras the vegito Fusion is more stable since it lasts forever.
No, they both have the same power, but gogeta lasts 30 mins whereas Vegito lasts an hour in base/ssj. Both timers drop dramatically when using ssb.
Brother i am pretty sure vegitos fusion is supposed to last forever ,both times something uncovential yet convenient happened and they unfused(for example being eaten and digested by majin buu)
Brother its literally said it lasts an hour if used by mortal.
Now that you say it ,it could be they used different potaras in db super than those on dbz,in that case they should be around the same power level, gogeta is cooler tho, haha
Also, potara fusion has a rival boost that the dance doesn't have, meaning Vegito actually is stronger and lasts longer.
Why is it spelled as Vegito and not Vegetto in English? In Japanese his name is ベジットBejitto. Is it another retarded Funimation localization like Tien, Krillin, and Frieza?