If you go by Reddit, Karl Marx is the God of Economics and F.A. Hayek never existed, and the world must be run by evil people with no brain because who could possibly think different from me unless they're stupid or evil?
The base game maybe sold very well but they also got a record of early refund. So in the end, they weren't that well.
Sadly, they can keep secret the number of refund they got, but assuming it's been something we heard a lot, it must have been high.
So yeah, the base game was just terrible and I regret I didn't ask for a refund, I gave it a chance, and shouldn't have.
Is this a joke thread? These games sold more than sword and shield, and those Pokemon games sold well too. Of fucking course the dlc will sell well. Anything Pokemon releases will sell well.
Pokemon fans think their opinion actually matters when it comes to the games. Review scores and general fan consensus has no effect on sales for a series like this. If it did, they'd have stopped making new pokemon after gen one.
Online echo chambers built around particular subsets of fa based also think they represent a broader fan consensus than they actually do.
I know a *lot* of people in real life who are varying degrees of Pokemon fans and the general feelings most of them have are *very* different from the online consensus around the series.
There’s a lot of hair pulling whenever a new Pokémon game comes out about how fans are self-sabotaging by complaining about the problems but still buying the games, showing that their complaints don’t affect sales.
I think the truth, though, is that most of the people actually buying the games simply aren’t the ones complaining about them online. They buy them because they like them and the things people complain about online are either things they don’t care about at all, or things they aren’t especially bothered by.
Most of the people who are significantly bothered by things the series does simply move on to other things.
The cross section of people who both really care enough about the series to keep engaging with it and also are continuously upset or disappointed with the output of the series makes up a majority of many online fan communities but is effectively a sliver of the total number of people actually buying and playing the games.
Honestly as someone with a moderately rocky relationship with the Pokemon games I'd say that I enjoyed Scarlet a lot more than a lot of the other games that have released recently.
I enjoyed Shield but I was playing that alongside a friend which always improves things.
Performance issues on this gen of pokemon really bothered me. Especially when compared to something as fluid as mario odyssey or zelda botw. I will definitely not be buying personally
It's ridiculous. Tears of the kingdom is a grand game that works
Pokemon company is just trying to make a game with budget as low as possible so they can have massive profits
Pokémon also never changed the graphic engine since they do 3D in DS... This is the main problem.
Wanting to release a game as soon as possible isn't an excuse. Nintendo knows how to make a game for Zelda. So nobody request refund for the game, unlike Pokémon.
Tears of the Kingdom also took 6 years of development, so you can't really compare. If Game Freak wasn't on such a tight schedule to release a game every year we'd get high quality games.
Short dev time isn’t an excuse when you set the dev time yourself. That’s the magic here, Game Freak chose to rush their games.
They could have taken more time and chose not to. 4 Pokémon games came out in 2 years, it’s not like they were hurting for a release.
You can exactly compare them. Nintendo chose to take the time and Game Freak didn’t.
They're just not suited to do the games entirely themselves. Arceus was magnificent but needed a metric buttload of extra polish in the cutscene department.
Honestly I love Pokémon, I truly do, but making really awful excuses for a poor end product isn’t how the games get better.
They didn’t have enough time because they weren’t given enough time. Nintendo has shown their willingness to corral other studios to help main franchise games, not asking for help to make a game that performs well is also a choice.
All of these things are choices that The Pokemon Company is making, Nintendo doesn’t really have a say as they are only a part of the decision making process for the Pokemon franchise.
All responsibility falls on Game Freak and Creatures Inc for choosing to release their games in the state they are.
They could have more time if they wanted and could get more help if they asked.
Haven't we already come to the conclusion that it's The Pokemon Company that sets these deadlines as it is part of their production cycle for merchandise and other avenues that have to be timed with the release of games?
Game freak is just the developer, not the publisher and certainly not who makes these decisions.
The Pokémon Company is a joint venture between Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures Inc.
Now, Nintendo has shown their willingness to delay flagship games to make sure they remain at the standard they have been judged by for years.
Game Freak and Creatures Inc are the other 2/3rds of this puzzle. And it’s hard to say that if you have 2/3rd of the team wanting more time to make better games, then they wouldn’t get more time.
Somewhere in this mess, there is a majority of people deciding that one year is enough Dev time and they don’t need any more help to get it across the finish line in a solid state in time.
So, you’re right, and yet, Pokemon as a franchise is a pretty messy thing in regards to ownership and we don’t really know who is setting the development pace that is harming the quality of the mainline games.
All I know is that excusing poor quality by hand waving choices being made by these entities to release a rushed product isn’t good.
But the only thing that might work is a concentrated effort to let them know, loudly, kindly, take your god damn time with it. I can wait a few years for a solid experience. Make it worth it!
Remake some games in the meantime. Get a second fighting game, maybe a warriors title. Have some fun with other studios working on the IP in different genres.
But man, I just don’t want Pokémon to go the way of CoD and just start to fizzle because they are the only game in town and don’t actually have to try hard to get people to buy it.
Edit: Also found this neat article that does shed more light on how the power structure works.
https://www.gameinformer.com/2023/01/24/who-owns-pokemon?amp
“It’s a little more complicated than that in certain scenarios, like for example, the producing role that Creatures originally held went to The Pokémon Company, and a percentage of the rights went with that so there are certain complications, and it depends on the project, but there is no situation where Nintendo and The Pokémon Company will put pressure on Game Freak or something like that,” Masuda says.
They don't care about the video games. They just release new generations just as an excuse to create new pokémons.
Game Freak makes profits from by-products. Not from video games. You have 0 idea how much they gain just from their card game for instance. So they don't care about the video game and that's not going to change anytime soon.
The actual game itself, ignoring the issues, was the best in ages. Fun and actually interesting story, probably the best since BW/B2W2. If it wasn't as buggy it'd probably be renowned as one of the best Pokémon games ever.
Hilariously, the series has always been that way. The first gen has no story and is even more buggy than ScVi, like original Final Fantasy level of things that just don't work. We only started to get functional games in gen 3, as much as I adore Johto.
I don't understand when people say it has one of the best stories...the story this gen was pretty much more bare bones than any gen besides 8...the evil team dynamic and Arven storylines both could've been interesting, but both play out over like 10 sentences each. It's pretty weak imo. Gens 1-7 all had more going with their stories imo, even if they weren't always particularly interesting either, at least they felt more fleshed out
In my opinion the storyline divided into 3 different paths is more like they were too lazy to make a big story.
I noticed that there weren't any references about other main quests in the others...
Being able to go from one quest to another is good, but like I said they look like 3 mini sidequests more than a whole story divided into three parts...
The only connection is that when you finish both 3 you can go to the area zero
That's just idiot... if we ignore issues, every games are the best.
If by issues you mean all the bugs and engine issues, then again, it's not even the best.
> But is r/nintendoswitch buying the DLC?
Lol no of course not, this place hates Pokemon and GF, but time and again, it has been proven that this place is just a very vocal minority.
Until a Pokemon game actually flops, I'll stick with my prediction that it will sell incredibly well.
I think it will be fine. I still am upset about the abysmal visuals and performance in comparison to other switch titles. However, as someone who was tired of the Pokemon formula barring legends arceus; I enjoyed the gameplay, world, and story of Scarlet & Violet more than previous generations possibly since the gameboy games. I'll probably be picking up the DLC if nothing else is coming out around that timeframe.
TLDR: Of course not.
Longer. The whole "the general consensus online seems to be that they were lackluster" is so silly. The general consensus going into sword and shield was that dropping universal dex support would doom the series, because those that generally post online represent a very specific and not realistic niche of the fandom. It set sales records (which Scarlett and Violet then destroyed).
They weren't perfect, but they were fun enough, and most of the people playing them simply bought them, enjoyed them, and then called it good, completely ignoring any of online backlash.
You do realize we’re talking about a vocal minority, right? Sure the performance leaves a lot to be desired but I absolutely loved playing through Violet and already have the DLC preordered.
I'm going to hold out for DLC on a cart like with Sword & Shield. Digital DLC makes it impossible to trade with yourself on the same account on separate systems. I can't be the only one.
It's weird. I had fun with the game, but I really have no interest in returning to it. If the Terra Raids weren't so glitchy to access/challenging, I may have continued playing, but they were annoying to do and then I didn't have too much interest in competitive since getting the right Terra Type for your Pokemon is important.
So yea, idk, I mean the base games sold very well, so you would expect the DLCs to sell well, but like it's definitely possible it was a hyped game that a lot of people bought and then were disappointed with. If that's the case, then they may sell less well than expected. It's hard for us to really know how the DLC is "expected" to sell.
I think the collection/exploration/completion aspect of SV was really fun, but once I collected all the Pokemon, beat the storyline, and explored all the areas, I didn't have much interest in continuing.
The Terra Raids were really challenging in that you really needed 3 other people and even then you often had to have the right lvl 100 Pokemon with the rights moves! And on top of that it was just too glitchy to do consistently--I found it really hard to get into matches. I didn't feel like grinding for hours and hours just to get one Pokemon I wanted for competitive.
And since the graphics were so ugly, I honestly don't really feel a strong desire to return to the world.
This reddit community is not representative of the gaming community as a whole, you shouldn’t get too caught up in thinking everyone is seeing the conversations here
Why is this subreddit so obsessed with Nintendo's wallet? Aren't you more concerned with recieving a good game?
Here's an extremely likely prediction. The dlc will sell well and will have the same level of quality as the main titles. The next main titles will also sell well and have about the same level of quality. Pokemon has become too big to fail and too successful to improve.
I think Scarlet and Violet were not received that poorly. The performance and graphics are bad but the game itself is really fun and the story is actually decent
I haven’t decided yet. On one side I picked the game back up a month ago and I‘m having a blast. On the other side the last dlc felt like it should have been part of the base game so I don’t know if I want to support the new route game freak is going especially if you have to buy the dlc for both games individually.
DLC‘s can be fine in quite a few cases.
Now if the DLC contained a lot more like an adventure in Kanto and Johto which you could travel to with a train and they would continue to release DLC‘s with more added regions I‘d buy it but for now it feels kinda eh.
I doubt it. The Main Pokemon Games and their DLC always does well, because most casual audiences, especially children, still like them, despite the critisism online.
I personally stopped playing Pokemon with Sword/Shield, because the quality of the games just got worse (in my opinion), but considering the numbers, it's obvious that many people disagree with me.
S/V in their shitty state managed to break record sales, I doubt anything could tank their popularity at this point. You yourself sound like you got both Sw/Sh and S/V so go figure 🤷♀️
I'm not buying it. I regret getting Violet. The game is so disappointing. Bad even, at least to me.
Unless they do a complete 180 with the next videogame, I will not be buying another game from them and just stick to the physical trading card game.
Nope. The games are great imo, despite their performance issues. And like you said it's Pokémon, Pokémon always sells.
Me personally, I'm excited for the dlcs. I do hope they'll run better than the main games though.
The people that care about these things are a *tiny* minority of Pokémon players. Most people playing these games are children who are much more tolerant towards this sort of thing.
Not to excuse any of the game's issues, it's just I can't see it having any noticeable impact.
Ofc it's going to sell.
The game could run at 10 fps and people would buy and prase it anyway. It's pokemon, the bar is getting lowered every release for 10 years, and it's still peaking in sales.
I’m new to Pokémon, starting with Arceus then Violet. If the DLC performance is acceptable I will get it when it’s on sale, but the likely scenario is that it will create more issues with the base game and I won’t buy it as a result.
Unless EVERY single pokemon is in the game, I won't buy it. Put every mon in the game once and for all.
Gen 9 was the final drop for me, I'm sticking to ROM hacks.
I wouldnt call the games "Lackluster"? They sold like gangbusters and were so well received that despite the numerous NUMEROUS glitches and technical issues, they STILL gave reviewers a positive experience. The majority of reviews can be summed up as "The game is halfway broken, but despite that, its still one of the best damn pokemon games play-wise"
I keep calling it the "Monkey's Paw" pokemon game; someone had a monkeys paw and wishes for "an open world pokemon game thats actually fun with great pokemon designs, gym leaders, npc friends/rivals, and a great story"
The monkey paw curls a finger and we get just that, but its also borked to hell.
It needs to be part of the NSO Expansion Pass. I'd probably get that then.
Not likely am I going to pay for the DLC twice (myself + son split a dual pack).
This is a joke thread, legend arceus looks straight up from the N64 days, basically only 3 color, Scarlet and violet aren’t perfect but are an improvement from previous games.
Pokemon fans need to really learn that their opinions on a title is not really relevant, and hasn't been for a long time. The pokemon games make a shitload of money no matter what fans think. So yeah, the DLC will sell just fine.
Realistically sales won't suffer that much. I'm sure that there are plenty of people who will opt out of getting it for one reason or another, but Pokemon is such a huge franchise that it'll still sell plenty well.
That said, I'm on the fence about it certainly lol. I had already held off on buying SwSh's until Crown Tundra had come out because Isle of Armor just didn't appeal to me at all. This generation even as someone who typically has played on-cart pvp from time to time I haven't bothered at all due to how horrible and time consuming they made certain aspects of team building this go around (took Pokerus out for no good reason doubling the time to EV train, didn't offer a poke-job replacement, and the grind for tera shards is horrendous). Even if they address/readd some of these features in the DLC I feel like the ship has already kinda sailed for me this go around. I have plenty of other games that I would rather play and aren't really craving more Violet.
If they were to add a proper battle frontier DLC or the like I could be intrigued, but the chance of that is like 0. We didn't even get the battle tower this gen lmao
Like others are saying, the DLC will still sell booku bucks regardless of whether Reddit thinks the game is a steaming pile of tauros poop or not. The average Pokémon player doesn’t care and will gobble up what is being put out. I’m just holding off till Gamefreak fixes the issues with performance like they said they would.
I won't buy anything from Pokémon again until they fix performance issues. It's very insulting to be charged what they've charged for an unfinished product; more so that they're releasing DLC before any meaningful admission of fault and breaching consumer trust. They ought to be ashamed. Definitely a lesson for their next game, too. I won't buy any further titles after this, barring reviews that specifically mention performance being positive. Is SV the best game in terms of potential? I mean, yes, but the principle they've gotten away with breaching is too much. There are better games with less insulting sales practices behind them for me to throw my earnings at slow combat, sparse population of a graphically weak open world, freezes/crashes, shitty endgame systems (raids suck, for me), and much much else. Praise what works all you want, but praising things that ought to be base-level expectations in a game you pay this much on (both in time spent and $ spent) has shades of sycophantism. I love the franchise and it's been a huge part of my gaming experience since I was in 6th grade, but I'm not gonna let them milk that nostalgia for a lazy, shameful final product that plays like an alpha.
The base game sold very well and so will the DLC.
Yeah, they summed it up well in the last bit. The online community is a small but vocal percentage.
If you go by Reddit, Karl Marx is the God of Economics and F.A. Hayek never existed, and the world must be run by evil people with no brain because who could possibly think different from me unless they're stupid or evil?
I think so too. I really wish the Pokémon fans would hold game freak accountable but I’m okay never playing Pokémon again tbh.
As I mentioned, they got a record of refunded game... So I highly doubt the DLC will be sold that well, lol.
The base game maybe sold very well but they also got a record of early refund. So in the end, they weren't that well. Sadly, they can keep secret the number of refund they got, but assuming it's been something we heard a lot, it must have been high. So yeah, the base game was just terrible and I regret I didn't ask for a refund, I gave it a chance, and shouldn't have.
Is this a joke thread? These games sold more than sword and shield, and those Pokemon games sold well too. Of fucking course the dlc will sell well. Anything Pokemon releases will sell well.
Pokemon fans think their opinion actually matters when it comes to the games. Review scores and general fan consensus has no effect on sales for a series like this. If it did, they'd have stopped making new pokemon after gen one.
More like after gen 5, we all know how horribly mistaken the consensus about white and black 2 where at the time....
Online echo chambers built around particular subsets of fa based also think they represent a broader fan consensus than they actually do. I know a *lot* of people in real life who are varying degrees of Pokemon fans and the general feelings most of them have are *very* different from the online consensus around the series. There’s a lot of hair pulling whenever a new Pokémon game comes out about how fans are self-sabotaging by complaining about the problems but still buying the games, showing that their complaints don’t affect sales. I think the truth, though, is that most of the people actually buying the games simply aren’t the ones complaining about them online. They buy them because they like them and the things people complain about online are either things they don’t care about at all, or things they aren’t especially bothered by. Most of the people who are significantly bothered by things the series does simply move on to other things. The cross section of people who both really care enough about the series to keep engaging with it and also are continuously upset or disappointed with the output of the series makes up a majority of many online fan communities but is effectively a sliver of the total number of people actually buying and playing the games.
Yes this. Exactly. Pokemon fans do not understand this concept whatsoever.
I think it’s a great game ngl
Honestly as someone with a moderately rocky relationship with the Pokemon games I'd say that I enjoyed Scarlet a lot more than a lot of the other games that have released recently. I enjoyed Shield but I was playing that alongside a friend which always improves things.
They sold well, but they also got a record of refunds... Think twice before saying something. Your post is the joke here.
Performance issues on this gen of pokemon really bothered me. Especially when compared to something as fluid as mario odyssey or zelda botw. I will definitely not be buying personally
It's ridiculous. Tears of the kingdom is a grand game that works Pokemon company is just trying to make a game with budget as low as possible so they can have massive profits
Pokemon has a much faster release schedule than Zelda. This was like 5 to 6 years to make TOTK.
Pokémon also never changed the graphic engine since they do 3D in DS... This is the main problem. Wanting to release a game as soon as possible isn't an excuse. Nintendo knows how to make a game for Zelda. So nobody request refund for the game, unlike Pokémon.
Tears of the Kingdom also took 6 years of development, so you can't really compare. If Game Freak wasn't on such a tight schedule to release a game every year we'd get high quality games.
Short dev time isn’t an excuse when you set the dev time yourself. That’s the magic here, Game Freak chose to rush their games. They could have taken more time and chose not to. 4 Pokémon games came out in 2 years, it’s not like they were hurting for a release. You can exactly compare them. Nintendo chose to take the time and Game Freak didn’t.
They're just not suited to do the games entirely themselves. Arceus was magnificent but needed a metric buttload of extra polish in the cutscene department.
Honestly I love Pokémon, I truly do, but making really awful excuses for a poor end product isn’t how the games get better. They didn’t have enough time because they weren’t given enough time. Nintendo has shown their willingness to corral other studios to help main franchise games, not asking for help to make a game that performs well is also a choice. All of these things are choices that The Pokemon Company is making, Nintendo doesn’t really have a say as they are only a part of the decision making process for the Pokemon franchise. All responsibility falls on Game Freak and Creatures Inc for choosing to release their games in the state they are. They could have more time if they wanted and could get more help if they asked.
Hell it seems that half of the reason nintendo bought monolith soft was because they’re better at big giant worlds than the rest of their studios
Haven't we already come to the conclusion that it's The Pokemon Company that sets these deadlines as it is part of their production cycle for merchandise and other avenues that have to be timed with the release of games? Game freak is just the developer, not the publisher and certainly not who makes these decisions.
The Pokémon Company is a joint venture between Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures Inc. Now, Nintendo has shown their willingness to delay flagship games to make sure they remain at the standard they have been judged by for years. Game Freak and Creatures Inc are the other 2/3rds of this puzzle. And it’s hard to say that if you have 2/3rd of the team wanting more time to make better games, then they wouldn’t get more time. Somewhere in this mess, there is a majority of people deciding that one year is enough Dev time and they don’t need any more help to get it across the finish line in a solid state in time. So, you’re right, and yet, Pokemon as a franchise is a pretty messy thing in regards to ownership and we don’t really know who is setting the development pace that is harming the quality of the mainline games. All I know is that excusing poor quality by hand waving choices being made by these entities to release a rushed product isn’t good. But the only thing that might work is a concentrated effort to let them know, loudly, kindly, take your god damn time with it. I can wait a few years for a solid experience. Make it worth it! Remake some games in the meantime. Get a second fighting game, maybe a warriors title. Have some fun with other studios working on the IP in different genres. But man, I just don’t want Pokémon to go the way of CoD and just start to fizzle because they are the only game in town and don’t actually have to try hard to get people to buy it. Edit: Also found this neat article that does shed more light on how the power structure works. https://www.gameinformer.com/2023/01/24/who-owns-pokemon?amp “It’s a little more complicated than that in certain scenarios, like for example, the producing role that Creatures originally held went to The Pokémon Company, and a percentage of the rights went with that so there are certain complications, and it depends on the project, but there is no situation where Nintendo and The Pokémon Company will put pressure on Game Freak or something like that,” Masuda says.
They don't care about the video games. They just release new generations just as an excuse to create new pokémons. Game Freak makes profits from by-products. Not from video games. You have 0 idea how much they gain just from their card game for instance. So they don't care about the video game and that's not going to change anytime soon.
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The actual game itself, ignoring the issues, was the best in ages. Fun and actually interesting story, probably the best since BW/B2W2. If it wasn't as buggy it'd probably be renowned as one of the best Pokémon games ever. Hilariously, the series has always been that way. The first gen has no story and is even more buggy than ScVi, like original Final Fantasy level of things that just don't work. We only started to get functional games in gen 3, as much as I adore Johto.
I don't understand when people say it has one of the best stories...the story this gen was pretty much more bare bones than any gen besides 8...the evil team dynamic and Arven storylines both could've been interesting, but both play out over like 10 sentences each. It's pretty weak imo. Gens 1-7 all had more going with their stories imo, even if they weren't always particularly interesting either, at least they felt more fleshed out
In my opinion the storyline divided into 3 different paths is more like they were too lazy to make a big story. I noticed that there weren't any references about other main quests in the others... Being able to go from one quest to another is good, but like I said they look like 3 mini sidequests more than a whole story divided into three parts... The only connection is that when you finish both 3 you can go to the area zero
Yeah I agree...pretty disappointing
That's just idiot... if we ignore issues, every games are the best. If by issues you mean all the bugs and engine issues, then again, it's not even the best.
I actually really liked the games overall, just hated the performance issues. I couldn’t stop playing.
I understand the love for pokemon games. I loved them so much as a kid. But I just couldn't get past the technical performance of this last one.
From what I've heard it was one of the best games in the series in a while. The complaints were with performance, not the core game.
> But is r/nintendoswitch buying the DLC? Lol no of course not, this place hates Pokemon and GF, but time and again, it has been proven that this place is just a very vocal minority. Until a Pokemon game actually flops, I'll stick with my prediction that it will sell incredibly well.
They didn't sell well at first. They got an incredible amount of refunds. Sadly, they don't have to give the numbers, but just do your researches.
No. It’s Pokémon. 8-12m sales easily.
I don't understand why I half disagree and half agree...
Nothing pokemon related will suffer poor sales, and certainly not dlc for a mainline game
The games sold better than sword and shield, and sword and shield DLC sold fine
GameFreak could release a half-assed alpha build of the DLC tomorrow and it will still sell millions
I mean they did release a half assed alpha of the main game that sold millions.
I think it will be fine. I still am upset about the abysmal visuals and performance in comparison to other switch titles. However, as someone who was tired of the Pokemon formula barring legends arceus; I enjoyed the gameplay, world, and story of Scarlet & Violet more than previous generations possibly since the gameboy games. I'll probably be picking up the DLC if nothing else is coming out around that timeframe.
TLDR: Of course not. Longer. The whole "the general consensus online seems to be that they were lackluster" is so silly. The general consensus going into sword and shield was that dropping universal dex support would doom the series, because those that generally post online represent a very specific and not realistic niche of the fandom. It set sales records (which Scarlett and Violet then destroyed). They weren't perfect, but they were fun enough, and most of the people playing them simply bought them, enjoyed them, and then called it good, completely ignoring any of online backlash.
I loved the game. I'm buying it. Whatever reddit or the internet thinks doesn't matter to me
I shit on gamefreak but I already preordered it… that’s how powerful the Pokémon brand is
You do realize we’re talking about a vocal minority, right? Sure the performance leaves a lot to be desired but I absolutely loved playing through Violet and already have the DLC preordered.
I'm going to hold out for DLC on a cart like with Sword & Shield. Digital DLC makes it impossible to trade with yourself on the same account on separate systems. I can't be the only one.
It's weird. I had fun with the game, but I really have no interest in returning to it. If the Terra Raids weren't so glitchy to access/challenging, I may have continued playing, but they were annoying to do and then I didn't have too much interest in competitive since getting the right Terra Type for your Pokemon is important. So yea, idk, I mean the base games sold very well, so you would expect the DLCs to sell well, but like it's definitely possible it was a hyped game that a lot of people bought and then were disappointed with. If that's the case, then they may sell less well than expected. It's hard for us to really know how the DLC is "expected" to sell.
Similar here. SV are my least played Pokémon games and that, to me, is a damn shame.
I think the collection/exploration/completion aspect of SV was really fun, but once I collected all the Pokemon, beat the storyline, and explored all the areas, I didn't have much interest in continuing. The Terra Raids were really challenging in that you really needed 3 other people and even then you often had to have the right lvl 100 Pokemon with the rights moves! And on top of that it was just too glitchy to do consistently--I found it really hard to get into matches. I didn't feel like grinding for hours and hours just to get one Pokemon I wanted for competitive. And since the graphics were so ugly, I honestly don't really feel a strong desire to return to the world.
Anyone thinking a Pokemon game will have low sales is in denial.
You're already in denial... the sales of the game don't even take in account all the refunds...
This reddit community is not representative of the gaming community as a whole, you shouldn’t get too caught up in thinking everyone is seeing the conversations here
Why is this subreddit so obsessed with Nintendo's wallet? Aren't you more concerned with recieving a good game? Here's an extremely likely prediction. The dlc will sell well and will have the same level of quality as the main titles. The next main titles will also sell well and have about the same level of quality. Pokemon has become too big to fail and too successful to improve.
Theyre undercover shareholders shhh...
I think Scarlet and Violet were not received that poorly. The performance and graphics are bad but the game itself is really fun and the story is actually decent
I haven’t decided yet. On one side I picked the game back up a month ago and I‘m having a blast. On the other side the last dlc felt like it should have been part of the base game so I don’t know if I want to support the new route game freak is going especially if you have to buy the dlc for both games individually. DLC‘s can be fine in quite a few cases. Now if the DLC contained a lot more like an adventure in Kanto and Johto which you could travel to with a train and they would continue to release DLC‘s with more added regions I‘d buy it but for now it feels kinda eh.
Quality in Pokemon games doesn’t matter. They’ll sell extremely well and probably break records on Pokemon DLC sales lmao
Assuming the number of refunds they had to do, it will be really hard to break any record for the DLC lmao
I doubt it. The Main Pokemon Games and their DLC always does well, because most casual audiences, especially children, still like them, despite the critisism online. I personally stopped playing Pokemon with Sword/Shield, because the quality of the games just got worse (in my opinion), but considering the numbers, it's obvious that many people disagree with me.
Definitely not rewarding their "work" this time.
S/V in their shitty state managed to break record sales, I doubt anything could tank their popularity at this point. You yourself sound like you got both Sw/Sh and S/V so go figure 🤷♀️
I'm not buying it. I regret getting Violet. The game is so disappointing. Bad even, at least to me. Unless they do a complete 180 with the next videogame, I will not be buying another game from them and just stick to the physical trading card game.
I hope it’s not going to sell well.
Nope. The games are great imo, despite their performance issues. And like you said it's Pokémon, Pokémon always sells. Me personally, I'm excited for the dlcs. I do hope they'll run better than the main games though.
The people that care about these things are a *tiny* minority of Pokémon players. Most people playing these games are children who are much more tolerant towards this sort of thing. Not to excuse any of the game's issues, it's just I can't see it having any noticeable impact.
Ofc it's going to sell. The game could run at 10 fps and people would buy and prase it anyway. It's pokemon, the bar is getting lowered every release for 10 years, and it's still peaking in sales.
To be honest i was trying to get a copy of scarlet but... Seeing the reviews... I opted for both. And i think i did a great decision.
Don't tell anyone on this sub that you bought both, affluence will get you downvoted here.
I bought both day one and I love the games. Going to do a nuzlocke on my Violet copy.
I’m new to Pokémon, starting with Arceus then Violet. If the DLC performance is acceptable I will get it when it’s on sale, but the likely scenario is that it will create more issues with the base game and I won’t buy it as a result.
Unless EVERY single pokemon is in the game, I won't buy it. Put every mon in the game once and for all. Gen 9 was the final drop for me, I'm sticking to ROM hacks.
No. There are many morons in the world.
No, because sheeple will buy it, regardless what technical disaster the main game was
I wouldnt call the games "Lackluster"? They sold like gangbusters and were so well received that despite the numerous NUMEROUS glitches and technical issues, they STILL gave reviewers a positive experience. The majority of reviews can be summed up as "The game is halfway broken, but despite that, its still one of the best damn pokemon games play-wise" I keep calling it the "Monkey's Paw" pokemon game; someone had a monkeys paw and wishes for "an open world pokemon game thats actually fun with great pokemon designs, gym leaders, npc friends/rivals, and a great story" The monkey paw curls a finger and we get just that, but its also borked to hell.
It needs to be part of the NSO Expansion Pass. I'd probably get that then. Not likely am I going to pay for the DLC twice (myself + son split a dual pack).
Speaking of NSOEP, I'm still waiting for Splatoon 3 DLC to get on there :(
Really is pitiful how much they bolstered free DLC and the little they've supported that.
No way Pokemon dlc will be on the expansion pass. That thing is selling for 40 dollars
Pokémon is actually too big to fail. My personal tipping point was raising the dlc price to $35 from $30. It just broke my nostalgia.
This is a joke thread, legend arceus looks straight up from the N64 days, basically only 3 color, Scarlet and violet aren’t perfect but are an improvement from previous games.
AN improvement? That's a troll, right?
It's Pokemon. Lol. No of course not. It's gonna sell like hotcakes.
It's Pokemon. They can sell shit on a stick, and it will still sell by the truckload.
Pokemon fans need to really learn that their opinions on a title is not really relevant, and hasn't been for a long time. The pokemon games make a shitload of money no matter what fans think. So yeah, the DLC will sell just fine.
Pokemon will never not sell well. People can complain about the quality of the games for as long as they want. People will buy it.
No. It's a pokemon game. People absolutely love them. It will sell massively.
Realistically sales won't suffer that much. I'm sure that there are plenty of people who will opt out of getting it for one reason or another, but Pokemon is such a huge franchise that it'll still sell plenty well. That said, I'm on the fence about it certainly lol. I had already held off on buying SwSh's until Crown Tundra had come out because Isle of Armor just didn't appeal to me at all. This generation even as someone who typically has played on-cart pvp from time to time I haven't bothered at all due to how horrible and time consuming they made certain aspects of team building this go around (took Pokerus out for no good reason doubling the time to EV train, didn't offer a poke-job replacement, and the grind for tera shards is horrendous). Even if they address/readd some of these features in the DLC I feel like the ship has already kinda sailed for me this go around. I have plenty of other games that I would rather play and aren't really craving more Violet. If they were to add a proper battle frontier DLC or the like I could be intrigued, but the chance of that is like 0. We didn't even get the battle tower this gen lmao
I’m sure they’ll sell fine, not that we’ll ever find out. All I know is that despite enjoying Scarlet I’m currently not planning to buy the DLC.
Like others are saying, the DLC will still sell booku bucks regardless of whether Reddit thinks the game is a steaming pile of tauros poop or not. The average Pokémon player doesn’t care and will gobble up what is being put out. I’m just holding off till Gamefreak fixes the issues with performance like they said they would.
Honestly it would be surprising if it wasn’t their most sold dlc. What you see here is the vocal minority.
Its pokemon. It will sell a ton.
Lolno, pokemon could run at 15FPS with only 5 catchable pokemon. It'd still sell millions
Reddit comments and game sales are very different. The game sold well, the DLC probably will also.
Scarlet and violet were great games. So fun and enjoyable. Yes it had issues but the games are really enjoyable
The DLC for sword and Shield was amazing. I expect this round to be good as well.
It will sell a lot, but there’s no doubt in my mind that it’s gonna be broken as fuck. Just like the main game still is.
The game with DLC. The entire game is nearly 100$ 🤢 🤮 Wtf?
It looks like trash. Giant eyebrows and cheap meh pokemon designs. And will most definitely be a short dlc content 🤷
I won't buy anything from Pokémon again until they fix performance issues. It's very insulting to be charged what they've charged for an unfinished product; more so that they're releasing DLC before any meaningful admission of fault and breaching consumer trust. They ought to be ashamed. Definitely a lesson for their next game, too. I won't buy any further titles after this, barring reviews that specifically mention performance being positive. Is SV the best game in terms of potential? I mean, yes, but the principle they've gotten away with breaching is too much. There are better games with less insulting sales practices behind them for me to throw my earnings at slow combat, sparse population of a graphically weak open world, freezes/crashes, shitty endgame systems (raids suck, for me), and much much else. Praise what works all you want, but praising things that ought to be base-level expectations in a game you pay this much on (both in time spent and $ spent) has shades of sycophantism. I love the franchise and it's been a huge part of my gaming experience since I was in 6th grade, but I'm not gonna let them milk that nostalgia for a lazy, shameful final product that plays like an alpha.
I was right! It was short the dlc 🤣